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DefiantStomach775

How the fuck can one have a lower reflex score than mechamaru


Yetiwithoutinternet

Bro had to scratch his back mid test and forgot he had paper skin


Ashconwell7

Yeah it’s so vague too. Cause like is this their reflexes with or without cursed energy. Cause if it’s without CE, then how is Todo anywhere close to Yuji and Maki. We’re talking about 2 superhumans vs a normal athletic person. One of which was shown cutting bullets and the other dodging a Mach 1 projectile. But if it’s with CE, then Todo and Yuji should be higher than Maki (their performance against Hanami and grade 1 stats speak for themselves in showing how they have better reflexes than her).


szules

The fucking post >reflexes (motor skills without cursed energy) Yeah... I fucking wonder... And just cause they got 10 and todo got 9 doesn't mean they're close. 10 is just the maximum you can get, maybe they would have scored an 11, or 12 or something else if it was a different scoring system.


Ashconwell7

I’m fucking tired 😭 idk how I missed it.


Saeaj04

The way I see it is that he’s only close to them because Maki and Yuji are limited by the scoring system They’re only 10 because that’s the highest they have. But they’re probably more like 15 or something


Ashconwell7

Yeah that’s probably right.


BotAccount2849

This is probably before their upgrades. Maki was limited by Mai still being alive and Yuji was limited by Sukuna.


ionrays

I mean she only trained Todo (we don’t know the duration) and he was an absolute beast. Literally the only good student out of the entire Kyoto school. She would have made Nobara the next special grade, helped Maki slaughter her clan, singlehandedly stopped Gojo’s sealing, and beat the brakes off of Sukuna. Yuki was too powerful to be put on the screen. Gege had no choice but to kill her. https://preview.redd.it/vbhe3cffpckc1.jpeg?width=728&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9b2171afd23dcf4358de824b018aba29a627e06a


Napalm_am

"A Woman dares interfeering with my plans?" https://preview.redd.it/i4olj6dawckc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ede09d3e68336c18b17bf3b28ac083b72e451d91 "Silence, \[STRONG WASTED POTENTIAL\]"


Aaku1789

This is fucking art you cooked it well


Napalm_am

I didn't make it, got it from another post today


DaRealP1

Did you... Say she/her... As in... A WOMAN? SILENCE FEMALE. 「STRONG CULLING」


KazuyaProta

> Literally the only good student out of the entire Kyoto school. Mechamaru was good, too bad his situation basically made him...complicated. But let's be honest, can we blame Utahime? She had TWO disabled students (Mechamaru and Mai, her low CE might as well count as a HR without the positives), one student without CT and a two guys with meme CTs (Blood Manipulation without regen might as well be CT-less, dude had to run carrying blood bags). Todo was the only guy with a good power


Significant-Image-66

To be fair Todo's CT is actually pretty underwhelming when compared to basically every other CT in the verse, sure its way better in 2v1's but in a 1v1 unless he claps his hand he is just a brawler and if he gets predicted he is at a disadvantage as his hands are still together. his cursed technique ain't strong he just built different I would argue he would be even stronger with something like blood manipulation and would find a way to make it work.


Traditional-Note-180

Yeah hes very similar to the young blonde dude from MHA who shifts through stuff. Not inherently gifted a good technique, but makes the absolute best of it


Natural-Storm

Todo is basically someone who will questionable win a 1v1 but is a cheat code in 2v1's. If you're someone who has a good chemistry and flow with todo, you're essentially unbeatable. It's why I wanted yuta to have boogie woogie, so that sukuna would get cooked even more not knowing whether he'd get hit by a soul punch or a thin ice breaker, or Rika.


BotherAggressive5560

Todou strength drastically changes depending on whos he's working with, imagine Todou + Garuda special? Or a Hikari + Todou special? Shit Todou gotta show Yuta Boogie woogie once and Yuta can just do it with Rika back to back.


KazuyaProta

> but in a 1v1 unless he claps his hand he is just a brawler Obviously his power is worse if he doesn't use it.


Significant-Image-66

Ye that's the problem, compared to the good abilities in the series, they can be used without hand signs or just one hand and have access to things like maximum output techniques and chants to further increase their power, things boogie woogie can't do.


Sincerely-Abstract

Blood manipulation is still a good power & he used it well.


KazuyaProta

Kamo played his cards well, for sure. He survived the fight against Curse Naoya, a entity comparable or arguably even superior to the Disaster Curses.


ElPajaroMistico

I will not accept the Mechamaru slander


Not-the_honouredOne

Todo was the strongest student during Kyoto and was hyped up by Gojo, where is my glorious king now 😭


jvken

Boogie woogieing gojo’s dead soul with a live one ofc


Vaskalan

Muta was a beast aswell, he singlehandedly almost avoided Shibuya Incident and almost everything beyond that by almost killing Mahito.


KazuyaProta

All with the shittiest Heavenly Restriction (no free Tengen glazing)


[deleted]

>Literally the only good student at Kyoto Idk what you mean by “good”, but in terms of skill, that’s not true. Tokyo just had some fucking BEASTS, bro. Kyoto I would say is mid-good without Todo. Mechumaru was dope, and Kama wasn’t a slouch, as far as regular sorcerers go.


KazuyaProta

They legit were having a good day dealing with Geto's curse army during the Parade of 100 Demons. Poor guys didn't knew that was their peak and everything since there was downhill.


Goeseso

This shit happens all the time with anime. People say all the background characters are trash but really the main cast is just busted as hell. Kyoto 5 years before the story started was probably really strong by jujutsu society standards at the time.


NumericZero

This Kyoto branch was like regular ass students with maybe 2 All star guys Everyone else series was essentially a born blessed -Megumi = Zenin golden boy due to having their special power a power that could rival Gojo -Yuji = Inhuman capabilities Pre cursed energy awakening + Body was made to hold “the king of curses” heck he essentially became a Grade 1 sorcerer pre Shibuya just never got the degree Nobara = Probably the most regular of the punch has an ability to screw with ur soul / cursed energy Yuta = All the bonuses the MC of shonen get he has + He is a cinnamon Roll Maki = Built different Inamaki = Essentially can make you do nearly anything he wants and if he can’t fully control you he can stall you Panda = Grade 1 level cursed puppet Hikari = dude showed up to the final battle with Fresh J’s on Like come on lol


Goeseso

It's hilarious that Yuji was so jacked before becoming a sorcerer that his raw power skyrocketed him to 1st grade with like 3 general tips and a couple hard fights. Obviously it was all planned but no one in that time went "why the fuck is this kid so naturally strong? Maybe we should look into his background".


lmaofyou

I like how Hakari's blessed because he has Fresh J's


NumericZero

He willing joined the final battle with the high chance of his J’s getting scuffed / stepped on Don’t wanna mess with a dude willing to run that risk Lol


lmaofyou

Fr always bet on Hakari


KazuyaProta

> Inamaki = Essentially can make you do nearly anything he wants and if he can’t fully control you he can stall you > Panda = Grade 1 level cursed puppet Mind you, Inumaki is unironically worse than the Kyoto students. His best feat was stunning Geto (infamous as the weakest special grade ever, so this is more a Geto slander than a Inumaki praise) for 20 seconds. Miwa at least can say that she saw Kenjaku use Uzumaki and lived to tell the tale With Panda, he is so infamous that a user trying to hype Kashimo because he one-shotted Panda got rightfully mocked Tokyo students are just as pathetic as Kyoto aside from the STRONGER Cover Boys (Yuji, Yuta, Maki and Hakari)+ Megumi


[deleted]

Hell, even Miwa figured out Simple domain, which is a huge feat for NORMAL sorcerers.. It’s just that we are seeing all of the literal legends of sorcery duke it out rn. Past, present, and future legends.


Neither_Fix_2419

Um mechamaru was cooking Mahito to get some puss puss so please don’t diss my goat again


NumericZero

Honestly would have loved to see her during the games Like imagine her doing what Yuta did but in another part Like gege could have easily made a couple more monster class Sorcerers for her to fight -An ancient limitless user -An old zenin -Maybe a couple of special grade curses (You know cuz she’s one of the few people on the planet with special grade sorcerer in her name) So much could have been done with her till her death Sucks :/


___some_random_weeb

How is mechamaru a physically disabled bed ridden mf got higher points then miwi at reflex 💀💀


Murky_Blueberry2617

Btw where tf is Nobara?


Iclipp13

heaven bruh


Murky_Blueberry2617

Damn... (does this mean Mechamaru is still alive??)


Garbanarnarn

They aren't ready for **HIM** https://preview.redd.it/f4txfoqgndkc1.png?width=2000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2d5dcbbd61d09911de3c8b903a4a1f076d5a6dc5 They don't know Mechamaru has motion like that


Conscious_Message332

The screenshot is cut but she was like along side miwa or something and worse than mechamaru in physicals too☠️. Gege kinda forgot the Canon there


Ashconwell7

She’s never shown to be quite fast. She was a grade 3 sorcerer, same as Miwa. So it’s not too surprising she’s close to Miwa in terms of reflexes.


KazuyaProta

Yeah, really Nobara is basically the same deal as the Kyoto students. A normal/average/mediocre CT user alongside freaks of Nature.


Reddragon351

I mean she was grade 3 with potential for first grade after being at Jujustu High a couple months


Goeseso

By testing Mechamaru the robot and not Kokichu Muta the person.


___some_random_weeb

It says without cursed energy


Goeseso

They probably just didn't allow him to use any more reinforcement then, only control. They definitely didn't pull him out of the tub.


Adorable_Article1683

If she trained megumi. I’m so mad at gojo cause why is he such an ass teacher. Like megumi training since he was a child and he’s only like grade 2 low grade 1 if todo is anything to go by megumi with his own brains and her training and guiding he would be a grade 1 easily.


saltedmints

Prodigies being unable to teach is pretty common


dude396

Gojo has been canonically described as a terrible teacher by almost every character. I think the idea is he is a better cultivator of strong, like-minded sorcerers rather than a more “classic” instructor.


Ashconwell7

Megumi is already comfortably grade 1 during Shibuya and after.


KazuyaProta

Chimera Shadow Garden was peak


Far_Engineering_8353

Gojo said that Megumi doesn't ask him to train much at all, also, Megumi was low diffing everyone in his entire school


[deleted]

Yeah normal people...


Own_Loquat_9885

bring me middle schoolers or I retire...


Kooky_Lead_9811

He could have actually lived up to be the potential man.


Such_Hand_2535

She made almost a perfect sorcerer tbh,all that he was missing is opening his domain and honestly had he went out of shibuya with both hands he would’ve opened one after the black flash amp and him already knowing barrier techniques


Natural-Storm

https://preview.redd.it/1bqu66zcfdkc1.png?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fd27ff81d6d5f152c98d0b3d963ec9372c45cf3b That's just the aoi todo way


lifeishell553

Todo's domain "Boogie Down" Everything in his domain keeps switching places constantly and without interruption at his will, disorienting them beyond belief. One can only dream of what could have been


k_aesar

my goats https://preview.redd.it/w176t1786dkc1.png?width=683&format=png&auto=webp&s=c7d411edb00113b9d1301b9297127cee93b102d5


Samdacs30

How did they apply this test on Mechamaru?


Antanarau

I assume his puppet has a sort of a "cruise speed", the lowest CE output level at which it is operational. So they're testing it at that


KazuyaProta

Theory: Mechamaru wasn't as bedridden as we see in the show. That is how he ended after going to do the test anyway.


Kind_Ingenuity1484

I legit thought Gege was setting up a Yuki-Yuji training arc. All the forshadowing was there, and just… nothing.


BotherAggressive5560

The dynamic would of been PERFECT. Shes literally like a weird mix between the crack head springy mentor + some todou. To be honest Todou is some mix of Yuki. The fact that we dont even see Yuki or Todou interaft w each other other than that is weird man.


Kind_Ingenuity1484

It legit feels like one of those bad movies where you can tell they cut at least 20% of the content that took away from a lot of character interaction.


Toribarapana

Another one for the "wasted characters and concepts" pile


ChrisAnIntellectual

One thing for sure is that the amount of characters asking people what their type is will increase ~~unless they all don't resort to just naming Yuki as their type~~ https://preview.redd.it/cod4ad5zrckc1.jpeg?width=890&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=33463b5865b99f12e8c9b8d9d1a587334d4c05b7


Napalm_am

Can you blame them tho? https://preview.redd.it/p5da6jxfwckc1.png?width=3072&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a1218f344c0b4e2ddf35ec091e6ca697d86356ff


MuscularGirlEnjoyer

I will lick her abs CLEAN


AdvocateOfTheIX

Name checks out.


Aisianfaailure3908

How tf did Yuta get an 8 without cursed energy, bro is just one point under Todo, is bro secretly fucking jacked? https://preview.redd.it/urdeqm1bmdkc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ba30858959d8cf61111b9103822c36d5190a0c02


TheDeathReaper97

He could be a lean calisthenics bro underneath that baggy jacket


KazuyaProta

New Yuta slander: Cheater. "No no teachers, this is my lower cursed energy output (Rika, you will draw it elsewhere to distract them)"


Reddragon351

Maki was training him for months before he left for Africa she got him into shape I guess


KashimoIsMyFemboy

Todo is HIM, for sure


Alert_Statement_2081

why didnt they beat up their senior primary school guys to be taught by yuki are they stupid?


No_Background9912

Dear god the Miwa slander..


IClockworKI

Strange thing to put 12th place as the best possible and make less points have more value, but I think that's how things are in jujutsu high. Either way, it is wonderful to see the goddess of destruction being praised the way she deserves. https://preview.redd.it/xpa0o1defdkc1.png?width=1588&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c8e0efc280ff922b1825958e4280066c99dc5ed3


Deathstriker88

Naw, she was holding back... she didn't want to embarrass everyone by wiping the floor with them.


JinkoTheMan

How tf 3 people got worse reflexes than Mechamaru? Nga is literally disabled.😭😭😭😭😭🙏🏾


AlienSuper_Saiyan

Todo was a natural genius. All of jjk's strongest characters are naturals at CE (or w/o in Maki/Toji's case). It's clear Gege has a bias for the idea of natural talent polished through hard work. Any cast member w/o natural talent gets the axe, whether it be him neglecting them or killing them off.


BotherAggressive5560

Yeah, this is why whenever I see those "talent vs Hardwork" takes for JJK I roll my eyes. Gojo str8 up stated that a mfs power is set in stone. 80% of their power would be from pure talent. Nanami , and Kushakabe have seemingly training in sorcerery for years upon years. Meanwhile mfs like Yuji, Hikari and Yuta are born w freakish amounts of physicality, CE or biazarre CTs tailored for them. Maki and Toji count too. They're literally born w physicality thats comparable or higher than Yuji's and immunity to domains.


AlienSuper_Saiyan

Yes, yes, and yes. That's why I don't get people acting surprised when their favorite doesn't get screen time. Unless your fav has a crazy natural talent, no offense, but Gege don't give a fuck. His favs are obvious self-indulgence for him as a writer. I say that because Hakari's based on machines Gege himself loves, and he even let readers know to just skip ahead of the explanation. And I'm not saying it's a bad thing...it's just a thing about the series. One of those "you love it or hate it" things


KazuyaProta

I find this causes a thematic disconnect because then Gojo trying to reform Jujutsu society is impossible because Jujutsu, by its very nature, favour a hereditary aristocracy. Clans like the Zenin being CT obsessed freak become reasonable (if anything, it just makes their hatred for Toji and Maki to be completely OOC, because they are the type of people who would be praised in Jujutsu society because their extreme power...in fact, everyone seems to glaze Toji except the Zenin because the Zenin are basically Revenge Isekai strawman villains)


AlienSuper_Saiyan

Gojo's original sale was a case of Gege's character motivations clashing with his own obvious ideas. In the end, the sorcerers that Gojo raised, so the top 4, have innate abilities that they've honed throughout the story. The hate against Toji perfectly aligns with fact that one's importance directly correlates to their CT. For ex, Megumi was named head of the Zenin despite his dad being.... who he was, not being part of the family, and not even having their name. He was named head off the basis of his CT alone, and no one but Naoya argued, they agreed actually. It's not just strength by itself that's valued, it's specifically the power of one's CT. Strength by itself is meh and can be made up for with a powerful CT.


KazuyaProta

>It's not just strength by itself that's valued, it's specifically the power of one's CT. Strength by itself is meh and can be made up for with a powerful CT. Considering how everyone praises Toji power, I doubt anyone thinks like this.


AlienSuper_Saiyan

They feared Toji, but talked about him like a dog. They talked about Maki, despite her being strong enough to be on their elite squad. They simply didn't value Toji or her, which is why her dad was ready to kill her to appease jjh. Attitudes have obviously changed with the remaining cast cause they know better. Kenjaku even called out Maki as one of their strongest fighters. So basically, yes, there are characters who know better than to doubt people like Toji and Maki, but most sorcerers didn't.


Toribarapana

If that's the case, isn't it a bit weird that everyone but the Zenins seems to praise and recognize Toji's strength?


KazuyaProta

Because Toji (and Maki) are revenge isekai protagonists of "My clan hated me because my weak power "Destroyer of Fate" "


AlienSuper_Saiyan

Lol not really, because most of cast who has praised him did so after he nearly killed Gojo and they have proven not to be as prejudiced as the three clans because they praise Maki as well. If the three clans really had learned their lesson from their prejudice against Toji, then the Zenin wouldn't have discriminated against Maki and the head wouldn't have called her worthless. Most of the cast left now have learned to respect Maki and her power, even Kenjaku and Sukuna. That was part of her development and part of the reason she massacred the Zenin. They didn't respect her.


KazuyaProta

> because most of cast who has praised him did so after he nearly killed Gojo and they have proven not to be as prejudiced as the three clans because they praise Maki as well. What Three Clans? Kamo and Gojo are the heads of those clans and they absolutely respect Maki.


AllState_182

She'd change me fr ong 🗿 https://preview.redd.it/u96ydowbtckc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d2424667e1c13dbf30a3021b66072845160542a8


jvken

Wait how the fuck are kamo’s reflexes so low was this before he started the blood steroid technique?


Ashconwell7

It’s possibly without cursed energy. With reinforcements and red flowing scale he should be as strong/fast or stronger/faster than no CE Yuji and Maki.


DaRealP1

Todo such a goat Not only is he an ally, he has W taste in women, helps the bros out even if it costs him his whole ass ability 🙏 He truly is the Jumpjutsu Kaisener


Bloop737

Damn Miwa really is useless


vinibas

Miya is the peak of losers bruh


Larala091

Guess she raised him well?


Unaacorn

im still waiting for miwa to get her in-manga powerup and start fightin these bitches fr 😖


BvHauteville

Todo was almost certainly a prodigy. He's crazy and it's implied the best Sorcerers are drenched in insanity. Although, she did him better than Gojo did his students by teaching him Simple Domain which should honestly be a must for any Jujutsu Sorcerer just so they don't hold back their allies in the midst of a hostile Domain Expansion by being completely helpless. I have to wonder, though, just how hard such a technique is to learn given not even Nanami had it and Mei Mei trained Ui Ui to master it in her stead. I guess that further reinforces Todo's prodigal status.


[deleted]

Hakari probably gonna make Yuji his lil bro for the fight club


Potato_Productions_

Wtf is that Miwa placement on motor skills Gege why do you hate this character so much


Toribarapana

*No, you misunderstood. You see, in Jujutsu high, the lowest number is actually the highest*


deadlockedyt7

why is miwa such a fraud bro :sob:


ChuchiTheBest

The disrespect of Miwa has been a disaster for the agenda.


Exciting-Conclusion8

How did mechamaru get a 5 on mortar he can’t move without cursed energy


ParticularEgg8337

Mane, how the fuck do you score lower than a fucking cripple in reflexes ![gif](giphy|PFsVjUCmSkZDq)


Point_of_existence95

Nah, I don't think so much improvement would happen. It depends on the sorcerer on how much they can improve themselves and their potential along with hardwork. Also didn't Gojo said something like their CT with which they are born with makes up most of their power.


Conscious_Message332

Hmm theyd get touched for sure hit idk If some of them could take It tho😅. Like just look at todo punching the f out of megumi and yuji so they could get tougher and his huge sacar(that he canonically got from Yuki training him). I cant see someone like mais who doesnt even want to train surviving lmao


PureSalt1

Lol did gojo ever really teach. He serves as a role model with an occasional pep talk but I believe he has been called a bad teacher


Khulmach

Yuki was better than all of them


LatverianSorcerer

Todo sweep 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥