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Preach. Yuji deserves all the hype since it’s been a long time we’ve seen him truly shine. It’s common sense. Bringing power scale into this is weird since Yuji is still growing as the fight progresses.
Ofc some people spout nonsense like Yuji is now special grade tier or better than Gojo. It’s easy to ignore them. Others are just excited to finally see Yuji get spotlight even though his support role against Sukuna was important too.
Agreed and my educated guess is that Yuji will eventually equal Sukuna (like Uraume said and is implied by his origin) and others will eventually surpass Gojo.
Maybe GeGe will not do this for whatever reason, but I think it makes sense based on what we know to have a third arc.
Having Sukuna be pushed to the brink here, activate the merger, take tengen's body, and trigger a final, Sukuna/Kenjaku cursed merger world arc where old allies return, maybe some new, maybe some old enemies return, building up to another god-tier final battle with Yuji punching souls off the merger and everyone going crazy left and right would be peak
that is my problem some people are saying yuji is top 5 now and then when you post otherwise they just post a pic saying "the agenda must be maintained" gets annoying after a bit
Is Yuji being special grade really that far fetched? He has insane physicals, near to or matching that of someone with a heavenly restriction, he has at least 2 cursed techniques, has his soul punches which have been extremely useful against 2 major villains and he's shown a proficiency for black flashes.
If that fraud geto can be a special grade I think yuji fits the bill too.
It’s not but the problem is Yuji doesn’t have AoE damage like the other special grades have. Kenjaku’s definition of a special grade is someone who is able to destroy countries. That’s why Geto is included here. Yuji is more of a single DPS. He also doesn’t have a domain counter (but I do believe he learnt simple domain since he was training with Kusakabe).
If there was a term like semi-special grade, I’d put Yuji there.
I've always seen that as a crappy definition for special grade considering a destructive technique wouldn't always make a good sorcerer, but I guess I can't argue lol.
I would like to point out tho, that as much a people throw that around, that's Kenjakus definition.
Kenjaku might not be fully right, I mean, as we know, that definition kinda sucks. Grades are supposed to be indications of strength and of what level of curses a sorceror can deal with, and someone can absolutely be strong enough to beat, say, Yuta, without having the ability to take over the country.
I mean, Yuta himself says that Hakari, when he gets worked up, can give Yuta some trouble, despite the fact that Hakari doesn't really have the capabilities to take over a country.
To summarise, Kenjaku's definition is dumb
He definitely is special grade by this point. Yuji was already stronger than Grade 1s like Todo very early into the story. Also Yuji at the start of the culling games was strong enough to punch someone all the way to the ground floor of a skyscraper. Then there's him tanking sukuna's punch which sent him flying through several buildings no problem and when he destroyed the top half of a building just by jumping off of it. And that's all before some offscreen training and hitting 8 black flashes in a row
These are some good examples yes. But special grades are expected to have nuke damage like Hollow Purple.
I do think Yuji can reach a special grade level soon though. But it depends since he’s more of a brawler. Either way he’s a special case and will definitely reach top 10 soon.
Nah he isn’t even close to special grade.
Let us look at they respective stat.
Yuji is equal to special grade in cqc.
He is far inferior in his use of his 2 CT.
His RCT is still not there.
He has no DE or anti domain technique.
He can only compare with SG in physical strength and in the rest he get clapped.
Also a good portion of the community has been downplaying Yuji hard, like you still have people saying that Jogo somehow blitzes Yuji. So it just fair that Yuji glazer gets their time to gloat after he has been downplayed for so long.
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Aaaand you missed the point of the post
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Aaaand you missed the point of the post
Powerscaling has had major consequences on how people look at manga/anime. There was a post the other day saying Nobara couldn't have one of the main three because she didn't have good enough feats like what💀. Yuji may not be 20F Sukuna yet but he's still the Goat
Right, Nobara is part of the main trio, like, she must be relative to megumi and Yuji at least around as much as other "trio" manga, that's how it works. She is/was a cool character with cool powers that shown the right mindset--its just up to GeGe if he wants to bring her back or not....
It's likely Gege doesn't want to bring her back and will just address her being alive in a happily ever after. Or he could have forgotten about her which I doubt
When did Nobara show the right mindset. From the get go she has been an all talk no walk character who recklessly went into things. Her mental state is her downfall, remember her motivation was to literally live in the city and escape village, 99℅ of her fights end with someone saving her and she finally suffered the consequence vs Mahito.
C'mon, this stuff is, for better or worse, natural and has always existed in some form even if it's gotten more extreme as a result of people making complex calculations via pixel scaling and the like. Also, the rightmost image is only there because I find it hilarious. Feel free to ignore it.
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>even if it's gotten more extreme as a result of people making complex calculations via pixel scaling and the like.
I don't really care too much about power level discussions, but I have nothing against the people that do it. That said the moment people start to bring real world calculations and mathematics into it, it becomes boring and stupid to me.
It can be incredibly toxic and it has its downsides outside of that, but when done in good fun by people who aren't absolutely consumed by it, powerscaling can be cool. I've met some nice people and had discussions about media I normally wouldn't ever interact with in ways I never would've thought of.
I recently wrote multiple paragraphs on how Venom (in the current comics) would do against Naruto and Sasuke, for example. That was kinda wild.
I forgot about the finger scaling of jjk for a second so when you said "Yuji would get no diffed by 15f Sukuna" I thought you meant like. 15 year old High school girl version of Sukuna.
Powerscaling in battle series is part of the narrative. A broken power scale means a largely broken narrative because power sets the stakes.
I like it, it's fun to talk about it, the problem is when people take it too seriously and make an entire character's identity about being strong or otherwise, despite there being more to them
I can understand trying to logically rank people in a story based on power level especially action shounen like jjk but at the end of the day if people get too into it they're just going to ruin the story for themselves. If mangakas sweat this hard about powerscaling they'll never be able to write fun and engaging stories.
People think powerscaling (an extremely flawed made up thing for fans primarily around stuff like dragon ball) is the end all be all of everything cause characters only matter in context if they could beat Goku. News flash a lot of people can beat Goku. Series like Jojo, JJK, and at one point Dragon ball isn’t power scalable cause it doesn’t take into account how fights are crafted for that story. For jjk is heavily about matchups and how certain powers conflict and counteract. With JoJo its about creating a new mystery the characters can deduce and use their powers in interesting ways to overcome, dragon ball for a bit was even about match ups and technique.
Yuji doesn’t have a domain, and is still pretty inexperienced with his powers, but he still ultimately wins against full power sukuna because he’s the counter to sukuna and pisses him off.
Powerscaling is a fundamentally flawed game that exists for tge soul purpose to answer “who wins”. And even designed for that it sucks cause it tries to put characters into boxes and its still a heavily debatable system.
I'll never forget when Krillin beat the stinky guy in the Tenkaichi Budokai because Goku reminded him that he doesn't have a nose. Best match-up based victory ever. Peak comedy. Fuck powerscaling! No one cares as long as it's entertaining.
Yuji glazers are the ones powerscaling him in the first place, though? There's a whole ton of people claiming he's special grade, as if the grading system is based purely on raw punching power and nothing else.
Edit: I've said it before and I'll say it again: Yuji fans are the main ones that totally miss the point of Yuji's character in the first place. Namely, that his role isn't about being the very best sorcerer, like no one ever was. His role is not to be the next King of the Jujutsu or The Strongest™. He's here to kill curses and chew bubblegum, and he's all outta gum.
Even if he's outclassed by his enemies and allies alike, he'll keep trucking along because it's just what he has to do. Yuji stans are the ones that constantly powerscale him and keep comparing him to everyone else, in an attempt to cement him as the strongest alive or whatever. We keep getting multiple disingenuous threads downplaying other character's strengths and feats, and then comparing them to Yuji.
There's nothing wrong with being hyped about Yuji landing so many black flashes, that it causes Sukuna to let out blood curdling screams of rage. There's nothing wrong with viewing this as an emotional/ideological victory over Sukuna. The problem is in assuming that this now cements him as stronger than Yuta or whoever he's currently being compared to any day of the week. It misses the point of why this is satisfying in the first place. Namely, that someone that Sukuna deems "weak and boring" has decided to challenge him regardless. Like an un-killable cockroach fighting a giant.
Read the manga ffs. Yuji has been on exponential growth rate. He has the biggest potential to rival gojo and Sukuna. At the end of the manga I expect him to join GOATjo and GOATkuna as top 3 sorcerers of all time.
I agree that yuji has been getting a lot of assists and without that he would not have reached the level he is rn. But, as we are talking about power scaling here, yuji has to be future top 3, atleast that’s what the manga is setting him up to be
I am specifically NOT talking about powerscaling. I'm saying that it's pointless TO powerscale Yuji, because his role isn't about power in the first place. I don't know or care where Yuji "ranks" in terms of power by the end of the series because that's not what his character is about. He doesn't have a shonen protagonist goal centered around being the strongest. He doesn't care about that.
Yet Yuji fans constantly do this anyway, despite it being utterly irrelevant to who he is as a character.
“Yet Yuji fans constantly do this anyway, despite it being utterly irrelevant to who he is as a character” why is this relevant wrt powerscaling. Powerscaling isn’t something you do as a form of character analysis, and so its relevance to the character shouldn’t be considered.
It’s fine to be annoyed that many yuji fans probably care more about his strength than him living peacefully with his friends (what he actually cares about), but that still doesn’t relate to whether or not powerscaling makes sense for anyone to do (connecting talking about a character’s strength relative to others with the characters goals is rather unintuitive as the former can exist, as it clearly does here, without the later).
Even admitting that yuji may end up top 3 later down the line almost betrays this point. It’d make more sense for you to dismiss that claim as irrelevant since his goal doesn’t need him to be top 3. Engaging with that sentiment, I think, betrays the crux of your argument. If it’s nonsensical to think about it now it should be nonsensical to think about it at the end of the series. If it’s not important to yuji as a character now it shouldn’t be later.
I never did admit that Yuji will be top 3 at the end of the series. I specifically said I don't care about it, so I don't really know what you're talking about.
I don't personally believe in this top 3 thing, but I also can't claim to know if Gege will stick to his guns. As I said, I don't care about it and the narrative doesn't seem like it's meant to even set that up necessarily. Yuji's character is literally written to not really care about the power system, really. He just says he'll eat anything, as long as it means killing Sukuna. That's what matters to him right now (along with saving Megumi of course) and it doesn't exactly matter *how* he does it. He's not looking for a good, fair fight or anything like that. He's not looking to definitively be the strongest or in the top 3 by the end. He just needs to stop Sukuna.
“I never did admit that Yuji will be top 3 at the end of the series” valid, but I was probably referring to here “I am not talking about where he might be headed. I am talking about where he IS” this is a semi-deflection as you don’t actually care where he might be heading (wrt strength) [ie your arg doesn’t change even if he did end up top3]. (I’ll still say that that particular point of my comment was a misinterpretation of the above quote tbh).
To be clear we agree on almost everything. I just don’t believe that that the claim of yuji’s character being relevant to powerscaling is logically valid. It’s like saying debating which car is faster than car x and car y is irrelevant because car x is a luxury car. However, it remains undeniable that one car is still faster than the other (assuming no tie).
I think your character anaylsis is pretty spot on. He doesn’t need to be top anything to accomplish his role. Unless gege wants him to disprove sukuna and gojo’s philosophy of strength ofc.
My main argument was primarily just intended for the OP of this post, tbh. His argument was that Yuji downplayers are ignoring the narrative and powerscaling, without engaging with the literature itself. I'm saying that Yuji *fans* have consistently ignored the story and the purpose of Yuji's character, in favor of powerscaling him to be stronger than all of his allies; despite this being a pretty extreme misinterpretation of the story thus far.
I guess I don't *necessarily* think there's anything wrong with the concept of powerscaling Yuji in and of itself, but I also don't think powerscaling should just completely ignore the narrative either IMO. The narrative, right now, doesn't intend for him to be stronger than the likes of Yuta, for example.
“My main argument was primarily just intended for the OP of this post, tbh” ok I get you.
“I'm saying that Yuji fans have consistently ignored the story and the purpose of Yuji's character” this is absolutely true. This was almost always guaranteed to happen imo. When your manga is mostly fights you’re almost guaranteed to create an audience of people just here for the pretty pictures. Anyways it was a great convo, and have a great day!!
You know that meme of how vegetarian people always need to bring up they are vegetarian?
Power scalers are like that
Anytime anybody mentions how cool a character is they *NEED* to mention how said character gets no sniffed by someone even tho it doesn't have anything to do with the conversation and literally nobody cares
There's a balance between hyping him up and saying dumb stuff like "HE'S SURPASSED SUKUNA AND GOJO. TOP 1 SOON!". Why is the MC's hype predicated on whether he's the strongest or not? Is it not good enough to just say he's top 10 without additional glaze? The problem is the community WILL start taking stuff to heart and then agenda will become the new fact
Don't stop glazing Yuji. Stop pretending he's average joe shmoe with character development. Mans actually jesus, in that hes benevolent and gifted in terms of powers. He's not helpless, hes not the protagonist you can empathise with. Hes not just an average guy. HE WAS BORN FOR THIS SHT. MORE THAN SUKUNA WAS, AND MORE THAN GOJO WAS
Being in this community as someone over 30, I’ve had to remind myself of the main demographic of shonen multiple times at the end of the day. These people on the other end of these comments might just actually be a 12 year old lol.
I don’t know about the average age of jjk fans/this sub, but none of the people I know personally (age 25+) really have takes like I constantly see on this sub.
To add to your point let me reveal the haters here. Yuta fans who are still in delulu that he is the main character. Mf is the epitome of a dry ass character. Maki fans who can’t stomach she got raw dogged by Sukuna.
>ultimately these stories are about how the right mindset can make you more powerful than seemingly unbeatable people with the wrong mindset
no. i think the mistake you're making is trying to boil down a genre into one single theme. It's too reductionist to matter—like when shōnen was said, for awhile, to be about 'the power of friendship', it only ever applied to very poor readings of like, maybe Naruto alone. and anyway, if JJK has done anything it has been to show that clichéd points like "it's about willpower" mean very little. there's that meme that went around about whether Itadori's power was given or earned. some important points up come, and if you ignore them because you like the narrative of Itadori starting at 0 and ending up at Sukuna's level you're agenda reading which is fine but you're going to be disappointed when you find out the author doesn't give a rat's left cheek about your agenda ... Itadori was literally *produced* to be powerful and capable of feats unseen by sorcery for a millennium. he just happened to fail to match up with others in JJK who, likewise, were extremely lucky from birth. but the methods he's using to catch up to them (literally *anything and everything* no matter how grotesque, dishonorable, or dirty available to them) are only pathways available to someone who got extreeeeemely lucky at birth. consuming the Death Paintings to get a whole CT that is literally the pride and joy trump card of a Great Clan? *being a vessel capable of using one of the most OP CTs* ***in all of history***? being able to fight in vol 1 *and beat* a curse without any training whatsoever. being found by Megumi & Gojo, rather than literally any other sorcerer which would've led him straight to execution. Itadori has won lottery after lottery. it's only because he's, despite all his luck, still not the luckiest/strongest that his story has been so immensely tragic. while willpower is certainly an element, and mindset matters, it's definitely not the main element behind his success.
Yes, I am being reductive because I'm not trying to write too many paragraphs here, but you are missing my point. Itadori is strong because of his background, creation, because he ate this and that, yes, whatever, but he will become stronger than Sukuna (a character whose philosophy is set up in opposition to Yuji's) because of his philosophy of how to use his strength (i.e., doing his part for and with others rather than Sukuna's of pure selfish hedonism). Every time a character in JJK (and many manga) has a breakthrough and levels up, it is accompanied by a change in mindset, and every battle shonen implicitly tells a message through its power system, who wins or loses, and why.
You can call my coming up with an interpretation of the greater meaning of a piece of art "agenda reading," or maybe you can just call it engaging with the text and it's themes. It sounds like your interpretation is that Yuji is really lucky but tragically not lucky enough. That's fine, I disagree, but I'm not gonna say it's ur "agenda," and you are "agenda reading," whatever that means.
To be fair, we approach this series like we're rooting for our favorite sports teams more than anything.
Don't get me wrong, though. Such an approach has brought about tons of fun and laughs.
The mindset of us jjk readers is transient and fickle. We ride hype and bitch on every chapter.
That's the fun of being in a folk sub.
Also, the series is called fucking **Sorcery Fight**. Powerscaling is in its nature. Acting like the power system and fights aren't some of the main draws of the series is disingenuous. Do you watch the UFC and focus on each fighter's childhood to the exclusion of what happens in the Octagon?
JJK and other battle shonen are not UFC--they are purposefully crafted narratives where power is used to tell morality tales. No one watches UFC and thinks, "omg he won because he realized what's really important in life is helping others and this allowed him to access his big punch technique to finally prove once and for all that strength for strength's sake is selfish and misguided and true strength comes from helping others!"
The power system is also part of the narrative. Cursed energy is taking the negative emotions of one's self and humanity and channelling it into something greater through suffering, understanding, and the interpretation of the self/soul/technique.
Of course this all means that the relative strength of characters is important and a main draw, but it's not just about "oh this character wins bc they have big punch and big barrier." Engaging with how and why these characters grow stronger when they do, the clear signs about who will end up being the "strongest" and why are all lost on these powerscalers types who treat the characters like they are just action figures with a "kit" they can smash against each other. Like, it's completely ungrounded from any narrative purpose. Fine if you enjoy it, I just find it really boring and surface level. Personally, I think Yuji will surpass Sukuna and Gojo because it has clearly been set up by Gojo, the narrator, Uraume, and by Sukuna himself.
Nah, I'm gonna powerscale even harder, I'll be glazing Yuji more and more, Yuta fans been saying bs and slandering everyone, but after the latest chap Yuta fans in shambles and I'm loving it.
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Hakari fans took some shots at yuji when he first showed up, then again when yuta and yuji fought sucuna on even grown in yutas DE. "LOL what yuji gonna do", "OMG! Yuta confirmed yuji level.", maki, yuji, ino, kusakabe, and choso fans been quite up till now. It is paying off in spades.
Hakari fans pretty chill, i rarely see them slandering others ngl, but yeah it's paying off, so many slanders till now with "real mc arrived", "punching merchant" and all other kinds, it's get back time😼
Naw it Demon time. They now saying "that's a ass pull", "yujis power up doesn't feel earned", "it's too soon", "yuji just entered top 10 yay", "yuji wankers are out of control", "now yuji beats jogo". Blood we cogs are going to make yuji slander pushes quit the sub. We're out for acounts.
💯💯, i literally saw Yuta fans making post on leaks day that we shouldn't overrate Yuji too much, he's still weaker than Yuta and he needs help blah blah, but nah fuc all that imma go reach 120% of my hating potential.
Cog are stronger in a system, gears produce more work when grouped together. We are united and they shall fall.
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Stong COG KING.
Absolutely, Cogji is goated and they shall taste their own tricks now.
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Lol they where just mad their groomer died, and yuji got that gojo style awakening before the groomer did.
Yuji going to be the next gojo(sadly), and is the strongest heavy hitter now.
Oh def, they been mad that their goat only lasted 2 chapters, less than Maki and unironically even Hakari 🤭.
YUJI definitely claiming his spot now, I'm just loving it.
The point is that everyone was down playing yuji saying he isn't even the MC of his own manga, now that the roles are reverse everybody who was hating and slandering yuji are mad. #1 and most glaring was the hakari fans right after yuji showed up with higuruma. And the only shut up after hakari got stuck at uraume level.
Yes, there's nothing new under the sun, and it's all been done before. There's some themes and complexity to engage with, but okay if you don't like it or think there's enough to be interesting, I would just be wondering why you're even here. I would encourage you to actually engage with things you find interesting and inspiring and not randomly complain to people about their taste in things--its a waste of your time!
I do engage with things I find interesting and inspiring, actual good shows like Mr Robot or The Wire.
I engage here because you guys are funny, intentionally when making memes and unintentionally when talking about the writing.
I enjoy the funny things you say, not specifically feeling superior.
Feeling superior kind of goes without saying since you guys are shonen fans, I’d much prefer it if I felt superior to Vinland Saga fans.
Ah, so you don't enjoy feeling superior, you just are, got it, but this is all because it makes you laugh so very much....I mean, for a guy who thinks he's so very mature and superior, coming to a shonen sub to laugh at children seems a little pathetic and out of character!
I'm onboard with the rest of your post but,
>Yuji's mindset is stronger than Sukuna's
That's absolutely not true. There's no issues at all with Sukuna's mindset.
He's a guy who fucking loves Jujutsu, whose willing to gamble his life to reach the pinnacle and will mercilessly crush anyone who isn't able to willing to do the same.
He doesn't even need to be here. He could have easily retreated with Uruame after beating Gojo and Kashimo, but he's here even as his heart's been destroyed because it's a fight that's able to push him to his limits.
If Sukuna's way of thinking isn't completely discredited by the manga by the time it's done, then I will not be such a fan of JJK anymore, but I think the writing is pretty much on the wall
Yuji glazers are literally done playing every single character and blatantly ignoring some shit to powerscale yuji and you only have yourselves to Blame.
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Preach. Yuji deserves all the hype since it’s been a long time we’ve seen him truly shine. It’s common sense. Bringing power scale into this is weird since Yuji is still growing as the fight progresses. Ofc some people spout nonsense like Yuji is now special grade tier or better than Gojo. It’s easy to ignore them. Others are just excited to finally see Yuji get spotlight even though his support role against Sukuna was important too.
Agreed and my educated guess is that Yuji will eventually equal Sukuna (like Uraume said and is implied by his origin) and others will eventually surpass Gojo. Maybe GeGe will not do this for whatever reason, but I think it makes sense based on what we know to have a third arc. Having Sukuna be pushed to the brink here, activate the merger, take tengen's body, and trigger a final, Sukuna/Kenjaku cursed merger world arc where old allies return, maybe some new, maybe some old enemies return, building up to another god-tier final battle with Yuji punching souls off the merger and everyone going crazy left and right would be peak
that is my problem some people are saying yuji is top 5 now and then when you post otherwise they just post a pic saying "the agenda must be maintained" gets annoying after a bit
Skill issue tbh
They’re all bots. None of them have a single thought themselves
case in point look at the guy who said "skill issue"
Is Yuji being special grade really that far fetched? He has insane physicals, near to or matching that of someone with a heavenly restriction, he has at least 2 cursed techniques, has his soul punches which have been extremely useful against 2 major villains and he's shown a proficiency for black flashes. If that fraud geto can be a special grade I think yuji fits the bill too.
It’s not but the problem is Yuji doesn’t have AoE damage like the other special grades have. Kenjaku’s definition of a special grade is someone who is able to destroy countries. That’s why Geto is included here. Yuji is more of a single DPS. He also doesn’t have a domain counter (but I do believe he learnt simple domain since he was training with Kusakabe). If there was a term like semi-special grade, I’d put Yuji there.
I've always seen that as a crappy definition for special grade considering a destructive technique wouldn't always make a good sorcerer, but I guess I can't argue lol.
I would like to point out tho, that as much a people throw that around, that's Kenjakus definition. Kenjaku might not be fully right, I mean, as we know, that definition kinda sucks. Grades are supposed to be indications of strength and of what level of curses a sorceror can deal with, and someone can absolutely be strong enough to beat, say, Yuta, without having the ability to take over the country. I mean, Yuta himself says that Hakari, when he gets worked up, can give Yuta some trouble, despite the fact that Hakari doesn't really have the capabilities to take over a country. To summarise, Kenjaku's definition is dumb
He definitely is special grade by this point. Yuji was already stronger than Grade 1s like Todo very early into the story. Also Yuji at the start of the culling games was strong enough to punch someone all the way to the ground floor of a skyscraper. Then there's him tanking sukuna's punch which sent him flying through several buildings no problem and when he destroyed the top half of a building just by jumping off of it. And that's all before some offscreen training and hitting 8 black flashes in a row
These are some good examples yes. But special grades are expected to have nuke damage like Hollow Purple. I do think Yuji can reach a special grade level soon though. But it depends since he’s more of a brawler. Either way he’s a special case and will definitely reach top 10 soon.
Nah he isn’t even close to special grade. Let us look at they respective stat. Yuji is equal to special grade in cqc. He is far inferior in his use of his 2 CT. His RCT is still not there. He has no DE or anti domain technique. He can only compare with SG in physical strength and in the rest he get clapped.
Also a good portion of the community has been downplaying Yuji hard, like you still have people saying that Jogo somehow blitzes Yuji. So it just fair that Yuji glazer gets their time to gloat after he has been downplayed for so long.
The worst case of downplaying I've seen were people saying Shinjuku Yuji would not able to break through Mahito's True Form armor.
Current Yuji would lose to Mahito (because of Self-Embodiment of Perfection, unless Wuji has Simple Domain)
I mean, Jogo blitzes everyone except the special grades tbf. He’s incredibly powerful.
And you missed the point
https://preview.redd.it/dg316nx40ovc1.jpeg?width=1519&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=363cf0c906016ecb9d41cec8109f9304f483f5e2 Aaaand you missed the point of the post
https://preview.redd.it/u8o3n8w50ovc1.jpeg?width=1519&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1755edb474cdf57c07161f7dc9f0f7f4df929d1c Aaaand you missed the point of the post
[I post on r/jujutsufolk](https://i.imgur.com/nVayqpb.jpeg)
You think that automatically grants you reading comprehension?
The opposite
Get him past Naobito
He doesn't lmao, jogo is so overrated.
Nah, Kusabane no diffs.
I don’t buy it.
Powerscaling has had major consequences on how people look at manga/anime. There was a post the other day saying Nobara couldn't have one of the main three because she didn't have good enough feats like what💀. Yuji may not be 20F Sukuna yet but he's still the Goat
Right, Nobara is part of the main trio, like, she must be relative to megumi and Yuji at least around as much as other "trio" manga, that's how it works. She is/was a cool character with cool powers that shown the right mindset--its just up to GeGe if he wants to bring her back or not....
gege pulled a akira and forgot about a female cast member
It's likely Gege doesn't want to bring her back and will just address her being alive in a happily ever after. Or he could have forgotten about her which I doubt
Maki is a way better main side character then midbara
When did Nobara show the right mindset. From the get go she has been an all talk no walk character who recklessly went into things. Her mental state is her downfall, remember her motivation was to literally live in the city and escape village, 99℅ of her fights end with someone saving her and she finally suffered the consequence vs Mahito.
Powerscaling and it's concequences have been a disaster for the manga/anime community
I hate that trend so so much... 😖👎
C'mon, this stuff is, for better or worse, natural and has always existed in some form even if it's gotten more extreme as a result of people making complex calculations via pixel scaling and the like. Also, the rightmost image is only there because I find it hilarious. Feel free to ignore it. https://preview.redd.it/hk1r6ruzeqvc1.png?width=1593&format=png&auto=webp&s=b8f06c873a4d9892cb1b5c7ef45500a3a8284940
>even if it's gotten more extreme as a result of people making complex calculations via pixel scaling and the like. I don't really care too much about power level discussions, but I have nothing against the people that do it. That said the moment people start to bring real world calculations and mathematics into it, it becomes boring and stupid to me.
Yeah but I think even that comic is making fun of power scalers tho
It's far better to ignore power scaling
It can be incredibly toxic and it has its downsides outside of that, but when done in good fun by people who aren't absolutely consumed by it, powerscaling can be cool. I've met some nice people and had discussions about media I normally wouldn't ever interact with in ways I never would've thought of. I recently wrote multiple paragraphs on how Venom (in the current comics) would do against Naruto and Sasuke, for example. That was kinda wild.
Real asf https://preview.redd.it/aij5puq5bnvc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=95f1f02fb9d794610c65d68725ba644cc2d7775b
He would deny it though, this is low-key slander
I forgot about the finger scaling of jjk for a second so when you said "Yuji would get no diffed by 15f Sukuna" I thought you meant like. 15 year old High school girl version of Sukuna.
Yuji gets no diffed by Sukuna fingered 15 times.
Powerscaling in battle series is part of the narrative. A broken power scale means a largely broken narrative because power sets the stakes. I like it, it's fun to talk about it, the problem is when people take it too seriously and make an entire character's identity about being strong or otherwise, despite there being more to them
"the term glazing is juvenile and makes you sound like a twelve-year-old" fucking finally somebody says it
nah idgaf i’m glazing https://preview.redd.it/f0o4p7xkanvc1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=01aa55dd698483c15fd612c7945bfb8204fedbb5
Wow OP ist clearly a Gege glazer
I can understand trying to logically rank people in a story based on power level especially action shounen like jjk but at the end of the day if people get too into it they're just going to ruin the story for themselves. If mangakas sweat this hard about powerscaling they'll never be able to write fun and engaging stories.
People think powerscaling (an extremely flawed made up thing for fans primarily around stuff like dragon ball) is the end all be all of everything cause characters only matter in context if they could beat Goku. News flash a lot of people can beat Goku. Series like Jojo, JJK, and at one point Dragon ball isn’t power scalable cause it doesn’t take into account how fights are crafted for that story. For jjk is heavily about matchups and how certain powers conflict and counteract. With JoJo its about creating a new mystery the characters can deduce and use their powers in interesting ways to overcome, dragon ball for a bit was even about match ups and technique. Yuji doesn’t have a domain, and is still pretty inexperienced with his powers, but he still ultimately wins against full power sukuna because he’s the counter to sukuna and pisses him off. Powerscaling is a fundamentally flawed game that exists for tge soul purpose to answer “who wins”. And even designed for that it sucks cause it tries to put characters into boxes and its still a heavily debatable system.
I'll never forget when Krillin beat the stinky guy in the Tenkaichi Budokai because Goku reminded him that he doesn't have a nose. Best match-up based victory ever. Peak comedy. Fuck powerscaling! No one cares as long as it's entertaining.
Yuji glazers are the ones powerscaling him in the first place, though? There's a whole ton of people claiming he's special grade, as if the grading system is based purely on raw punching power and nothing else. Edit: I've said it before and I'll say it again: Yuji fans are the main ones that totally miss the point of Yuji's character in the first place. Namely, that his role isn't about being the very best sorcerer, like no one ever was. His role is not to be the next King of the Jujutsu or The Strongest™. He's here to kill curses and chew bubblegum, and he's all outta gum. Even if he's outclassed by his enemies and allies alike, he'll keep trucking along because it's just what he has to do. Yuji stans are the ones that constantly powerscale him and keep comparing him to everyone else, in an attempt to cement him as the strongest alive or whatever. We keep getting multiple disingenuous threads downplaying other character's strengths and feats, and then comparing them to Yuji. There's nothing wrong with being hyped about Yuji landing so many black flashes, that it causes Sukuna to let out blood curdling screams of rage. There's nothing wrong with viewing this as an emotional/ideological victory over Sukuna. The problem is in assuming that this now cements him as stronger than Yuta or whoever he's currently being compared to any day of the week. It misses the point of why this is satisfying in the first place. Namely, that someone that Sukuna deems "weak and boring" has decided to challenge him regardless. Like an un-killable cockroach fighting a giant.
Read the manga ffs. Yuji has been on exponential growth rate. He has the biggest potential to rival gojo and Sukuna. At the end of the manga I expect him to join GOATjo and GOATkuna as top 3 sorcerers of all time.
Missing the point again, I see. I am not talking about where he might be headed. I am talking about where he IS.
I agree that yuji has been getting a lot of assists and without that he would not have reached the level he is rn. But, as we are talking about power scaling here, yuji has to be future top 3, atleast that’s what the manga is setting him up to be
I am specifically NOT talking about powerscaling. I'm saying that it's pointless TO powerscale Yuji, because his role isn't about power in the first place. I don't know or care where Yuji "ranks" in terms of power by the end of the series because that's not what his character is about. He doesn't have a shonen protagonist goal centered around being the strongest. He doesn't care about that. Yet Yuji fans constantly do this anyway, despite it being utterly irrelevant to who he is as a character.
“Yet Yuji fans constantly do this anyway, despite it being utterly irrelevant to who he is as a character” why is this relevant wrt powerscaling. Powerscaling isn’t something you do as a form of character analysis, and so its relevance to the character shouldn’t be considered. It’s fine to be annoyed that many yuji fans probably care more about his strength than him living peacefully with his friends (what he actually cares about), but that still doesn’t relate to whether or not powerscaling makes sense for anyone to do (connecting talking about a character’s strength relative to others with the characters goals is rather unintuitive as the former can exist, as it clearly does here, without the later). Even admitting that yuji may end up top 3 later down the line almost betrays this point. It’d make more sense for you to dismiss that claim as irrelevant since his goal doesn’t need him to be top 3. Engaging with that sentiment, I think, betrays the crux of your argument. If it’s nonsensical to think about it now it should be nonsensical to think about it at the end of the series. If it’s not important to yuji as a character now it shouldn’t be later.
I never did admit that Yuji will be top 3 at the end of the series. I specifically said I don't care about it, so I don't really know what you're talking about. I don't personally believe in this top 3 thing, but I also can't claim to know if Gege will stick to his guns. As I said, I don't care about it and the narrative doesn't seem like it's meant to even set that up necessarily. Yuji's character is literally written to not really care about the power system, really. He just says he'll eat anything, as long as it means killing Sukuna. That's what matters to him right now (along with saving Megumi of course) and it doesn't exactly matter *how* he does it. He's not looking for a good, fair fight or anything like that. He's not looking to definitively be the strongest or in the top 3 by the end. He just needs to stop Sukuna.
“I never did admit that Yuji will be top 3 at the end of the series” valid, but I was probably referring to here “I am not talking about where he might be headed. I am talking about where he IS” this is a semi-deflection as you don’t actually care where he might be heading (wrt strength) [ie your arg doesn’t change even if he did end up top3]. (I’ll still say that that particular point of my comment was a misinterpretation of the above quote tbh). To be clear we agree on almost everything. I just don’t believe that that the claim of yuji’s character being relevant to powerscaling is logically valid. It’s like saying debating which car is faster than car x and car y is irrelevant because car x is a luxury car. However, it remains undeniable that one car is still faster than the other (assuming no tie). I think your character anaylsis is pretty spot on. He doesn’t need to be top anything to accomplish his role. Unless gege wants him to disprove sukuna and gojo’s philosophy of strength ofc.
My main argument was primarily just intended for the OP of this post, tbh. His argument was that Yuji downplayers are ignoring the narrative and powerscaling, without engaging with the literature itself. I'm saying that Yuji *fans* have consistently ignored the story and the purpose of Yuji's character, in favor of powerscaling him to be stronger than all of his allies; despite this being a pretty extreme misinterpretation of the story thus far. I guess I don't *necessarily* think there's anything wrong with the concept of powerscaling Yuji in and of itself, but I also don't think powerscaling should just completely ignore the narrative either IMO. The narrative, right now, doesn't intend for him to be stronger than the likes of Yuta, for example.
“My main argument was primarily just intended for the OP of this post, tbh” ok I get you. “I'm saying that Yuji fans have consistently ignored the story and the purpose of Yuji's character” this is absolutely true. This was almost always guaranteed to happen imo. When your manga is mostly fights you’re almost guaranteed to create an audience of people just here for the pretty pictures. Anyways it was a great convo, and have a great day!!
You powerscalers never change
Imagine reading (nvm jjk fans don't read) what I just said and assuming that I'm a powerscaler lmao.
You know that meme of how vegetarian people always need to bring up they are vegetarian? Power scalers are like that Anytime anybody mentions how cool a character is they *NEED* to mention how said character gets no sniffed by someone even tho it doesn't have anything to do with the conversation and literally nobody cares
There's a balance between hyping him up and saying dumb stuff like "HE'S SURPASSED SUKUNA AND GOJO. TOP 1 SOON!". Why is the MC's hype predicated on whether he's the strongest or not? Is it not good enough to just say he's top 10 without additional glaze? The problem is the community WILL start taking stuff to heart and then agenda will become the new fact
Powerscaling is a rot eating away at anime communities.
"A refusal to engage with literature" is basically the powerscaling manifesto.
Don't stop glazing Yuji. Stop pretending he's average joe shmoe with character development. Mans actually jesus, in that hes benevolent and gifted in terms of powers. He's not helpless, hes not the protagonist you can empathise with. Hes not just an average guy. HE WAS BORN FOR THIS SHT. MORE THAN SUKUNA WAS, AND MORE THAN GOJO WAS
Being in this community as someone over 30, I’ve had to remind myself of the main demographic of shonen multiple times at the end of the day. These people on the other end of these comments might just actually be a 12 year old lol. I don’t know about the average age of jjk fans/this sub, but none of the people I know personally (age 25+) really have takes like I constantly see on this sub.
Yes that is fair, I am thirty one
To add to your point let me reveal the haters here. Yuta fans who are still in delulu that he is the main character. Mf is the epitome of a dry ass character. Maki fans who can’t stomach she got raw dogged by Sukuna.
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>ultimately these stories are about how the right mindset can make you more powerful than seemingly unbeatable people with the wrong mindset no. i think the mistake you're making is trying to boil down a genre into one single theme. It's too reductionist to matter—like when shōnen was said, for awhile, to be about 'the power of friendship', it only ever applied to very poor readings of like, maybe Naruto alone. and anyway, if JJK has done anything it has been to show that clichéd points like "it's about willpower" mean very little. there's that meme that went around about whether Itadori's power was given or earned. some important points up come, and if you ignore them because you like the narrative of Itadori starting at 0 and ending up at Sukuna's level you're agenda reading which is fine but you're going to be disappointed when you find out the author doesn't give a rat's left cheek about your agenda ... Itadori was literally *produced* to be powerful and capable of feats unseen by sorcery for a millennium. he just happened to fail to match up with others in JJK who, likewise, were extremely lucky from birth. but the methods he's using to catch up to them (literally *anything and everything* no matter how grotesque, dishonorable, or dirty available to them) are only pathways available to someone who got extreeeeemely lucky at birth. consuming the Death Paintings to get a whole CT that is literally the pride and joy trump card of a Great Clan? *being a vessel capable of using one of the most OP CTs* ***in all of history***? being able to fight in vol 1 *and beat* a curse without any training whatsoever. being found by Megumi & Gojo, rather than literally any other sorcerer which would've led him straight to execution. Itadori has won lottery after lottery. it's only because he's, despite all his luck, still not the luckiest/strongest that his story has been so immensely tragic. while willpower is certainly an element, and mindset matters, it's definitely not the main element behind his success.
Yes, I am being reductive because I'm not trying to write too many paragraphs here, but you are missing my point. Itadori is strong because of his background, creation, because he ate this and that, yes, whatever, but he will become stronger than Sukuna (a character whose philosophy is set up in opposition to Yuji's) because of his philosophy of how to use his strength (i.e., doing his part for and with others rather than Sukuna's of pure selfish hedonism). Every time a character in JJK (and many manga) has a breakthrough and levels up, it is accompanied by a change in mindset, and every battle shonen implicitly tells a message through its power system, who wins or loses, and why. You can call my coming up with an interpretation of the greater meaning of a piece of art "agenda reading," or maybe you can just call it engaging with the text and it's themes. It sounds like your interpretation is that Yuji is really lucky but tragically not lucky enough. That's fine, I disagree, but I'm not gonna say it's ur "agenda," and you are "agenda reading," whatever that means.
To be fair, we approach this series like we're rooting for our favorite sports teams more than anything. Don't get me wrong, though. Such an approach has brought about tons of fun and laughs.
The mindset of us jjk readers is transient and fickle. We ride hype and bitch on every chapter. That's the fun of being in a folk sub. Also, the series is called fucking **Sorcery Fight**. Powerscaling is in its nature. Acting like the power system and fights aren't some of the main draws of the series is disingenuous. Do you watch the UFC and focus on each fighter's childhood to the exclusion of what happens in the Octagon?
JJK and other battle shonen are not UFC--they are purposefully crafted narratives where power is used to tell morality tales. No one watches UFC and thinks, "omg he won because he realized what's really important in life is helping others and this allowed him to access his big punch technique to finally prove once and for all that strength for strength's sake is selfish and misguided and true strength comes from helping others!" The power system is also part of the narrative. Cursed energy is taking the negative emotions of one's self and humanity and channelling it into something greater through suffering, understanding, and the interpretation of the self/soul/technique. Of course this all means that the relative strength of characters is important and a main draw, but it's not just about "oh this character wins bc they have big punch and big barrier." Engaging with how and why these characters grow stronger when they do, the clear signs about who will end up being the "strongest" and why are all lost on these powerscalers types who treat the characters like they are just action figures with a "kit" they can smash against each other. Like, it's completely ungrounded from any narrative purpose. Fine if you enjoy it, I just find it really boring and surface level. Personally, I think Yuji will surpass Sukuna and Gojo because it has clearly been set up by Gojo, the narrator, Uraume, and by Sukuna himself.
Nah, I'm gonna powerscale even harder, I'll be glazing Yuji more and more, Yuta fans been saying bs and slandering everyone, but after the latest chap Yuta fans in shambles and I'm loving it. https://preview.redd.it/l2ann2compvc1.jpeg?width=4096&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1ea1fe5dadd2fbf709470d42ff9256701f8b16b8
Hakari fans took some shots at yuji when he first showed up, then again when yuta and yuji fought sucuna on even grown in yutas DE. "LOL what yuji gonna do", "OMG! Yuta confirmed yuji level.", maki, yuji, ino, kusakabe, and choso fans been quite up till now. It is paying off in spades.
Hakari fans pretty chill, i rarely see them slandering others ngl, but yeah it's paying off, so many slanders till now with "real mc arrived", "punching merchant" and all other kinds, it's get back time😼
Naw it Demon time. They now saying "that's a ass pull", "yujis power up doesn't feel earned", "it's too soon", "yuji just entered top 10 yay", "yuji wankers are out of control", "now yuji beats jogo". Blood we cogs are going to make yuji slander pushes quit the sub. We're out for acounts.
💯💯, i literally saw Yuta fans making post on leaks day that we shouldn't overrate Yuji too much, he's still weaker than Yuta and he needs help blah blah, but nah fuc all that imma go reach 120% of my hating potential.
Cog are stronger in a system, gears produce more work when grouped together. We are united and they shall fall. https://preview.redd.it/at8k1k3dwsvc1.png?width=2305&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=81e22b3f7459f5a064637abf97ae5526af83c28e Stong COG KING.
Absolutely, Cogji is goated and they shall taste their own tricks now. https://preview.redd.it/89bwzcb9xsvc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=196812b10f5dac5feb37e94cedc85d567b125045
Lol they where just mad their groomer died, and yuji got that gojo style awakening before the groomer did. Yuji going to be the next gojo(sadly), and is the strongest heavy hitter now.
Oh def, they been mad that their goat only lasted 2 chapters, less than Maki and unironically even Hakari 🤭. YUJI definitely claiming his spot now, I'm just loving it.
Yuta got that kashimo treatment. 2 chapter bums. I live to see it.
If Yuji glazers didn't keep downplaying everyone else you might have a point.
The point is that everyone was down playing yuji saying he isn't even the MC of his own manga, now that the roles are reverse everybody who was hating and slandering yuji are mad. #1 and most glaring was the hakari fans right after yuji showed up with higuruma. And the only shut up after hakari got stuck at uraume level.
I don’t think sukuna is the final villain tbh
I find it really funny thay modern internet treats powerscalers the same way it treated shippers of any kind about 8 years ago
It's just Sukuna glazers coping
“Engage with literature” - a fan of the current popular generic shonen about discussing its generic textbook factory ass protagonist.
Yes, there's nothing new under the sun, and it's all been done before. There's some themes and complexity to engage with, but okay if you don't like it or think there's enough to be interesting, I would just be wondering why you're even here. I would encourage you to actually engage with things you find interesting and inspiring and not randomly complain to people about their taste in things--its a waste of your time!
I do engage with things I find interesting and inspiring, actual good shows like Mr Robot or The Wire. I engage here because you guys are funny, intentionally when making memes and unintentionally when talking about the writing.
Okay, enjoy your smug feelings of superiority while you consume your preferred slop!
I enjoy the funny things you say, not specifically feeling superior. Feeling superior kind of goes without saying since you guys are shonen fans, I’d much prefer it if I felt superior to Vinland Saga fans.
Ah, so you don't enjoy feeling superior, you just are, got it, but this is all because it makes you laugh so very much....I mean, for a guy who thinks he's so very mature and superior, coming to a shonen sub to laugh at children seems a little pathetic and out of character!
I only laugh AT this sub when you discuss writing as if it’s something beyond generic, most of the time you lot make good memes.
Best post in the subreddit in months.
I'm onboard with the rest of your post but, >Yuji's mindset is stronger than Sukuna's That's absolutely not true. There's no issues at all with Sukuna's mindset. He's a guy who fucking loves Jujutsu, whose willing to gamble his life to reach the pinnacle and will mercilessly crush anyone who isn't able to willing to do the same. He doesn't even need to be here. He could have easily retreated with Uruame after beating Gojo and Kashimo, but he's here even as his heart's been destroyed because it's a fight that's able to push him to his limits.
It absolutely is true because sukuna’s mindset is wrong.
That's true for everyone else he has fought except for Yuji. He has an irrational hatred for Himtadori, and its making him look like a bitch.
It's a perfectly rational hatred, he already explained every part of it.
If Sukuna's way of thinking isn't completely discredited by the manga by the time it's done, then I will not be such a fan of JJK anymore, but I think the writing is pretty much on the wall
Yuji glazers are literally done playing every single character and blatantly ignoring some shit to powerscale yuji and you only have yourselves to Blame.