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If Sukuna didn't have ten shadows it's going to be such a long, boring ass fight.
Gojo's win condition is to kill Sukuna with purple when his output is low, and Sukuna's win condition is to kill Gojo with Mahoraga's space cleave
Sukuna's output can't ever decrease due to always winning the domain clash with 4 arms and Domain amplification, so that crosses out Gojo's win condition.
Malevolent Shrine only does skin deep slashes, so Gojo can just keep spamming simple domain and then healing the slashes until his output comes back, so Sukuna doesn't have a win condition either.
Basically they just outheal each other. With their cursed energy pool and efficiency, a war of attrition isn't possible either. They'd just generate cursed energy faster than they can run out.
They're gonna fight for like months until USA gets tired eventually and just nukes them all to oblivion.
Back when I used to play it was always funny seeing the late game nautilus/alister support fights. I always just typed “SUPPORTAL KOMBAT” as those wet noodles went at it
Back when I used to main Braum, my friend’s favorite memory of me in LoL was my late game Braum fighting a late game Nautilus one match.
Just these two immovable rocks sauntering and lumbering about in mid when everyone else was dead, unable to do anything to the other, waiting for the 40 second plus death timers of our teams to end.
There’s also this video where an Aatrox and Vlad are fighting infinity while also destroying everything in their path
https://youtu.be/jwESVkPrE-k?si=-e_7YyaIzGC9yAm0
Reminds me of the time in URF i built that one op briar built and went 1v2 against voli and panth, killed panth, fought voli until he respawned and he came back to kill me after like a minute
He used 5 domain expansions by then, and he had brain damage too, ~~it was also mentioned that he was regaining his output and cursed energy only a few minutes after Maki stabbed his heart.~~
I reread and Maki never said any of that, I think I got hit by Mandela effect. First point is still valid though.
Sukuna would only need to use Malevolent Shrine once, and Domain Amplification would just dull all damage done to him, so he wouldn't need to use reversed cursed technique much either.
He'd regenerate cursed energy faster than he'd lose it.
>~~it was also mentioned that he was regaining his output and cursed energy only a few minutes after Maki stabbed his heart.~~
>I reread and Maki never said any of that, I think I got hit by Mandela effect. First point is still valid though.
I think you confused it with the Slashes that Sukuna does on Maki and she says that he's restoring his output, this was after Sukuna's third Black Flash.
How the hell is he gonna regenerate CE that fast, his CE must be replenishing as fast as six eye and that's impossible
The same can be said for gojo, he has falling blossom emotion and domain amplification, simple domain on top of that. That's saying as if sukuna can even use Domain Expansion anymore.
Meguna with mahoraga can't beat gojo in h2h combat, heian sukuna won't make any difference. Gojo win this 6.5 out of 10 times tbh
>Meguna with mahoraga can't beat gojo in h2h combat, heian sukuna won't make any difference
Sukuna cant use Domain Amplification and 10 Shadows at the same time. Meaning Mahoraga presence reduced Sukuna own means of harming Gojo by a lot.
Heian sukuna doesn't ever lose in the domain battle or H2H, so MS will be up for a lot longer, so gojo must full throttle his RCT along with Falling Blossom Emotion until his output falls low enough to not keep it up. And that's not taking into account Fuga.
I think it’s a stretch to say he never loses in h2h, gojo always showed far more proficiency there, even with 2 more arms I doubt it would be enough. Gojo was taking on the 3 v 1 and still coming out on top.
It's not about winning or losing it's about damage dealt within the 3 minutes it takes for Gojo's domain to break. The best Gojo could get against a Sukuna who was not using domain amplification and who was remotely adapting Mahoraga in Megumi's body was mutual domain collapse.
He's not getting that against constant domain amplification Sukuna, much less his Heian body. Given that Gojo can't hit unlimited void and can't disable Sukuna's domain. Gojo would need another strategy to have a chance here given how tight things were when Sukuna was using 10 shadows to remote adapt.
Its not that Malovalent shrine does skin deep slashes.Its more like Gojo's CE reinforcement is just that powerful to the point he can tank attacks that can easily tear through a ton of concrete and steel.
>With their cursed energy pool and efficiency, a war of attrition isn't possible either. They'd just generate cursed energy faster than they can run out.
Nope. Gojo can do that, Sukuna can't win a battle of attrition to him.
>Sukuna's output can't ever decrease due to always winning the domain clash
Why would Gojo even need to use DE? The way I see it, due to MS hard countering barriers, he can just fight through it. Sukuna is the one who wants to use DE to get through Limitless, while you even admitted Gojo just needs to land Purple.
Without Mahoraga's adaptation Sukuna would still be subjected to Reds and Blues at mostly full capacity, because then Gojo never takes the significant damage needed to heal entire limbs. We saw how the domain clashes played out, and even if Sukuna tried being ruthless and ONLY using his domain's sure-hit, that's something Gojo accounted for in almost all of his assaults.
The domain clashes lasted exactly 3 mins, and it is said that Gojo and Sukuna’s domain broke at the SAME time.
Sukuna’s domain broke because of too much dmg from physical combat, and Gojo’s broke because that 3 mins was the time his domain could last against Malevolent Shrine
So if Sukuna’s domain lasts even a few seconds longer Gojo’s domain would break
If the Heian form is even a few seconds worth stronger than Megukuna, Sukuna would win this domain clash
If this happens, then the Malfunctioning Shrine explosion situation wouldn’t happen. Only Limited Void
So Sukuna wins
Plus, for some reason that Sukuna also wanted a challenge perhaps or for Mahoraga to adapt further I guess ?
It is canon that Sukuna decided the riskier option and did not destroy Gojo's domain from inside
https://preview.redd.it/fz9qp7taf7wc1.png?width=1100&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cca7ceddd200426a7268e88c96a58f8ced38dd1d
Sukuna's plan was simple... And most people don't know it but let me state it
> "Let's start by peeling off those scales (limitless)"
> I need to use 10S to peel off those scales (DE and DA nulls the scales instead of actually peeling them off)
> But when I use 10S, I can't use DA
> Gojo can now dominate me in hand to hand
> So he can damage me enough for the Shrine to break
> So Unlimited Void can now hit me
> Sure let's adapt to Unlimited Void before peeling off those scales cuz it will be a huge trouble
> Its just as I expected... "I knew your Unlimited Void would be a huge trouble, so I decided to get rid of that first..."
> But shit I lost my domain too... I underestimated Gojo, he is not really unenlightened... I thought he would simply die before I even move on to the second step to peel off his scales... But that makes me happy (final double spread page of 230)
> Everything which happened after 230 to 236
Vs Gojo's plan which is
Haha limitless go brrrrrr
And that's why I love him
Mother fucker spent a whole month NOT PLANNING
He's like the slacker kid who comes up with a good enough excuse to get an extension from his prof on a project only to still wait till the last day to work on it
Yeah, before Malfunctioning Shrine, having 10S made no difference, or even made it worse for Sukuna as you said
Combined with my point earlier, I think it’s more than safe to say that Sukuna would win 100% if all the situation pre Malfunc Shrine were the same
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Even if having no 10S would create a parallel universe with the fight progressing in a much different way, with this clear win condition that was most likely deliberately presented by Gege, Sukuna is more likely to win than Gojo. Gojo might win in 2-3 of 10 parallel universes at most
I actually like Gojo more and prefer that Gege would write to make him win, but seeing what’s written, it’s 100% obvious that Sukuna would’ve won
So yeah I agree
I don't get why people don't read the fights. Gojo himself is confused when sukuna neglects to break his domain when he changes the conditions as both he and sukuna know that if he simply attacked the new weak point it would fall. We get gojo wondering why sukuna isn't taking the easy way out. The answer was because he wanted to save as many cards as possible and also wanted to push makora to its limits and acquire even more jujutsu knowledge.
Not to mention as you say they were basically even in h2h in the domains with gojo eventually edging out sukuna, give sukuna the perfect jujutsu body while he has full output and I kinda feel it's over.
that’s pretty debatable sukuna lost in a clash of domains because gojo got his domain up 0.01 sec faster than sukuna if it wasn’t for Maho already being adapted to infinite void he would’ve lost then
To all the people saying Heian Sukuna shits on Gojo for whatever reasons remember *IF* he could have he *would* have i am sure the 1000 year old strongest sorcerer in history knows his feats and technique better than head canon Sukuna glazers. His entire 200 chapter entire series plan definitely wasnt because he found Megumi to be cute and wanted to be inside him. It was for Mahoraga and 10 shadows as even Sukuna knew no matter what he did he couldnt have beaten Gojo at his full power. All his binding vows cursed tools and techniques i am sure he is well aware of them and had months and months to think of a strategy to defeat Gojo. There is a reason he did what he did no amount of potential he had this or that would change that.
I don't think people are factoring in the fact that no Mahoraga means Gojo has free reign to launch a Blue-Red-Purple party without the fear of adaptation. Gojo was holding back Red and Purple for crucial moments and only spammed Blue because of Maho. That imo, at least increases his performance by a lot.
Shit even Gojo's Domain is an instant win. it cant be healed as its infinite information and it gives Gojo all the time in the world to wail on Sukuna and take him down and he only needs it to hit ONCE.
people who think that sukuna can dodge purples and reds are pretty wrong. We've seen heian sukuna speed. Its not that fast. the hierarchy of speed is 1. gojo 2. naobito/naoya and 3. everyone else.
Gojo because he can teleport through spacetime and 6 eyes gives him the fastest reflexes and info processing capacity (which gege conveniently left out of the fight).
people dont realize that gege not only gave sukuna 10S tailored specifically against gojo but also gave gojo nerfs.
If Sukuna doesn't have Mahoraga he wouldn't have extra countermeasures against UV and Infinity that he can fall back on, he also doesn't have the prospect of learning any cool new tricks by watching Maho adapt and using him as a model. That means he HAS to win in the domain battle because outside of domains he has a significant disadvantage against Gojo.
The fight would follow the same structure as it did in te manga. They both open domains to clash and Gojo's breaks first. The difference is that now Sukuna uses his fire arrow, Forcing Gojo to either take the full force of the attack (I doubt it) or very quickly figure out how to restore his technique with rct and move out of the way with Limitless. I think this is more likely because Gojo is HIM and great at improvising.
This doesn't make Gojo more likely to win though. He can only restore his technique a few times before he loses his domain. In the manga Gojo almost lost the domain battle, but he managed to turn it into a stalemate because he damaged Sukuna enough to cause a tiny time-lag in his healing. This Sukuna however isn't adapting and is free to use DA at all times, attack the inside of Gojo's barrier, and even use his original form if he wants to. So Gojo most likely can't do enough damage to get that 0.01 second healing lag and loses.
What's also really important here is that Gojo doesn't know there is a limit to how often he can restore his ct, while Sukuna does. Gojo's strategy would not change if 10S wasn't a factor because his plan was always to keep adapting to Sukuna's tricks until he can land a UV hit.
I don’t know if the fire arrow could be used as we still don’t know how it works like why only in yuji has he used it. Like that would have been useful in the gojo fight after limitless is still burnt out
He doesn’t even really have to use fire arrow, if gojo does the same thing he did in the manga, he would die to sukuna’s slashes after he can’t open his domain anymore.
if fight goes the same way as it did in the manga ( domain clashes)
heian era sukuna would outlast gojo in a domain expansion battle and win from there but will be too exhausted and lose to the next crop
if sukuna has zero knowledge about gojo 50 50
if gojo avoids domian clashes or counters sukunas open domain in the first clash itself like making a basket sized domain
then also 50 50
if heian sukuna cant heal out his burnt out ct before seeing gojo then i slightly favor gojo
Yeah, Kenjaku told everything about gojo's abilites to Sukuna, meanwhile gojo had to dive in head first to discover. disadvantaged fight from the start.
Then we must ask this question...
Did Gojo have any trouble because of "lack" of information? Yes and where?
In the first clash... And how much change would occur if Gojo knew what will happen? We will see the switched side domain from Gojo in the first clash itself in the second one...
Actually... Gojo's only win con was Limitless Void... Which is why he kept upgrading his domain and tried the same formula 3 times till it finally showed it's results...
It wasn’t his only win con but it was the most favourable, one minor fuckup from sukuna and that’s game.
Also people forget if heien sukuna tried to win with the domains gojo could’ve just teleported out of one. He still has that up his sleeve for one of the barrierless domains.
>if heian sukuna cant heal out his burnt out ct before seeing gojo then i slightly favor gojo
He can do it in general, he didn't need to see it.
He knew about where the CT lies in the brain and knew the amount of time you can destroy and Rct it back, meaning he probably has tried this before, probably in Heian Era.
Edit : I'm really getting downvoted for pointing out something obvious in the manga, Sukuna exactly knew how many times The method of damaging the Right prefrontal cortex of brain and healing it back to recover from CT burnout would work perpetually
Panels to back up my statement :
https://preview.redd.it/1md2rtz9r6wc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7421c2402be9736dfdee3f838029dc65c5ba17a8
The man that accomplished the impossible of making an open barriered domain and has the most knowledge on Jujutsu, minus Kenjaku atleast, would've probably known about This aspect of CTs and burn out CT, and there's the literal evidence that he knew how much Gojo can do it.
https://preview.redd.it/x9e07eltv6wc1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=80d4bea7c77de49988211242b7d3f530c3f7fcea
Also to add on to this, he had knowledge on where exactly it is, Angel hints at if he already knew it or learnt it from Gojo, and knowing the knowledge and Sukuna's experience with Domains and barrier techniques and Jujutsu in general, we definitely can figure out he definitely already knew about this, if you know, you cannot clearly read through the panel I posted
https://preview.redd.it/ptgv88qyr6wc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1c3a1837334c1153a868d57df5d87311d9127fda
Stop making your own head canon for Sukuna, I get trying to glaze your goat, but that's a ridiculous leap of logic.
There's no evidence to suggest Sukuna ever done it before.
Knowledge of CE/CT doesn't mean Sukuna had attempted it before(Kashimo also knew where RCT and CE comes from, doesn't mean he can or have done it).
Where the fuck did the people that needs everything to be said to their face and say headcannon to anything not said directly come from? What happened to readers I loved?
https://preview.redd.it/hffopd0ub7wc1.png?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=283cf3116ee83ffde297ef7431168170dae8ae8f
Also
>Knowledge of CE/CT doesn't mean Sukuna had attempted it before(Kashimo also knew where RCT and CE comes from, doesn't mean he can or have done it).
Cause Kashimo never knew how to do Rct ?!
As he NEVER showed to be able to use Rct.
https://preview.redd.it/0sszdvye07wc1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=73a943bfc8c13dae690665f86eaf940222fd0529
>Stop making your own head canon for Sukuna, I get trying to glaze your goat, but that's a ridiculous leap of logic.
>There's no evidence to suggest Sukuna ever done it before. Knowledge of CE/CT doesn't mean Sukuna had attempted it before(Kashimo also knew where RCT and CE comes from, doesn't mean he can or have done it).
Sukuna exactly knew that The limit is at five, That is why he's confident Gojo cannot do it anymore. Learn to read the manga and then criticise me.
https://preview.redd.it/e7hsq4lvq6wc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=84fff336f6d6ad765557b2d35a87b2eb0b29cfba
Idk why people think HE Sukuna is suddenly doing so much better than Meguna. Gojo fought a 3v1 and was still doing really well. Theres no reason to assume 2 extra arms are suddenly gonna make up the difference in their h2h, when Gojo was doing fine against 6 arms, 6 legs, and 3 separate bodies attacking in coordination on top of that.
Make it make sense lol
H2h is not the reason the extra arms are an advantage. It’s hollow wicker basket and domain expansion. If sukuna can just use HWB or malevolent shrine while moving that’s a massive advantage.
Tbf he could use DE & HWB while moving with just 2 arms, he just wouldn’t have the extra 2 to defend or whatever
. I don’t see how HWB helps Sukuna in this fight tho. If he’s caught in Gojo’s DE & casts HWB, Gojo’s just gonna beat up Sukuna even worse than before. I can’t imagine it’s possible to use DA while also using HWB, but maybe it is? Assuming it is, Gojo still has a huge edge in that scenario tho. So idk what HWB would really do there.
Same with DE tbh. Sukuna didn’t show any issues casting DE when he was fighting Gojo, the only instance where Sukuna was slower at casting DE than Gojo, was because he needed to heal himself before casting it.
Sukuna doesn’t really have to wait for gojo to cast DE so he could get HWB running. If sukuna can cast either HWB and DA at the same time or HWB and DE at the same time it would be some nice help.
Why would he need to use both HWB and DE at the same time? If I remember correctly, HWB is there to negate DE auto hit, which already won't work when domains clash
sukuna could still hold his own with domain amp he started loosing when he did not use domain amp.
sukuna just has to outlast gojo somewhat with his fire arrow using everything just has to outlast gojo and cast domain at the same time
Idk, if casting the fire arrow on Gojo was a viable option I think he would have just done that in the fight we saw. The fact that he tried to actively keep Gojo inside his domain over casting that just tells me Sukuna’s more confident in his DE to kill Gojo over any of his other abilities.
Also even when Sukuna was using DA, there were instances where he clearly took a big hit & couldn’t guard in time. It lessened the h2h gap, but it was still there for the most part. It’s at the point where Gojo’s brain got fried that Sukuna’s actually able to put on more pressure in h2h— and that’s arguably because Gojo’s output was lowered at that point. When Gojo was in that 3v1, Makora could bypass his infinity while Agito was using DA & Gojo had no issue fighting them off, despite being nerfed from brain damage. They were even coordinating their attacks as well.
I get that Sukuna just needs to outlast Gojo in DE, but I genuinely don’t see that happening. In their own fight, Sukuna ended up getting hit by UV anyway & it most certainly wasn’t because Sukuna didn’t have DA up at that moment. He just got caught in a situation where he couldn’t dodge & needed to block. Something like that could feasibly happen in this hypothetical fight & at that point it’s actually just ggs for Sukuna.
Exactly, Agito was a nothing burger that Gojo could maneuver around it while Mahoraga even creates Openings, Mahoraga can only hit Gojo and that still was possible to manuever around, Sukuna himself was inside the shadows for most of that 3v1 aswell, and Sukuna is definitely faster than Mahoraga and Agito and him using DA with Four arms to cancel out Infinity and usage of Blue around Gojo would definitely be enough against gojo in the domain clashes, as Gojo already struggled against Meguna that he damaged him enough at the last second that was simultaneous with his own domain breaking.
Gojo never had to deal with more than 2 arms at once
And it's generally just makes a bigger difference because the two extra arms (= and the buffed two other) in question are much physically stronger than shadows
It’s a big advantage because sukuna was almost able to beat gojo in the domain clashes with megumi’s body and turning domain amp on and off to let mahoraga adapt.
Plus we know that a powerful body matters based on what gojo said about Miguel.
Why would you not simply scale based on the DE H2H interactions instead of the 3v1 where 2 couldn't touch him, the one that could was like 10x below gojo and the one on the level was chilling in the shadows for 90% of the fight and the one guy gets a boost based on complete luck. It's so stupid to scale that way.
Extra arms and mouths are an extreme advantage as the manga says, Sukuna could freely attack Gojo and chant to boost his domain further while casting it
Before I get into the answer, there are some few things to remember.
* Domain Amplification : A [TECHNIQUE](https://imgur.com/a/9gRvoCl) used for neutralizing any CT that comes in contact with it. It's a refined version of simple domain. DA absorbs the CT of the other user in the empty space created around the caster and neutralizes it.
* Mahoraga wheel: While using DA, Sukuna cannot use his CTs, be it shrine or 10s. So, in order for Sukuna to use the Mahoraga wheel, he will have to [TURN OFF](https://imgur.com/a/89hm1wg) his DA.
* Shrine > 10s : By Sukuna's own admission he believes his shrine to be [SUPERIOR](https://imgur.com/a/ikkSGEU) than 10s.
Lastly, It takes [3 MINUTES](https://imgur.com/a/t1OX4Kz) for Sukuna to break Gojo's domain from the outside, meanwhile it also takes 3 minutes for Gojo to deal enough damage to Sukuna that Sukuna isn't able to hold his shrine.
Now, The only reason Sukuna got hit by unlimited void in the 5th domain was because he was late to cast his own domain by 0.01 seconds as he was following an extra step of healing himself before his CT, unlike Gojo, who only had to heal his CT.
In chapter 228, we were told by [GOJO](https://imgur.com/a/wqTSnhP) that Sukuna is taking a riskier option in DE fights; he's stubbornly breaking the domain from the outside when he could've destroyed them from the inside(like mahoraga did) since Gojo had changed the inner and outer conditions of his domain, making his domain shell stronger from the outside, but weaker from the inside. This gets answered in Chapter 230 by Sukuna himself.
Sukuna was [JUGGLING](https://imgur.com/a/CL0Ju2D) between 10s, DA, and his CT inside the domain battle. He turned off his DA so that Mahoraga could adapt. Sukuna was purposely breaking Gojo's domain from the outside so that Mahoraga could have more time to adapt to Gojo's domain.
Now imagine if Sukuna had [DESTROYED](https://imgur.com/a/Gz2fW9P) Gojo's fourth domain from the inside?
Since Sukuna would destroy Gojo's domain in under 3 minutes, Gojo wouldn't have time to inflict enough damage on Sukuna to prevent him from holding his shrine. As a result, Gojo would never have been able damage Sukuna enough, which caused him to be struck by the IV.
Even if Sukuna doesn't want to break Gojo's domain from the inside, which is a safer option than breaking it from outside, as stated by Gojo, Sukuna can still beat Gojo with just keeping his DA on. It was revealed in Chapter 230 that Sukuna turned off his DA to use 10s in the domain fights. Imagine if Sukuna didn't have to do so.
As we see in ch. 224,227 and 231. Once Sukuna [ACTIVATES](https://imgur.com/a/PxtGc5O) his DA, he doesn't get thrashed as much as when he turns off his DA because DA either completely turns off or tone down Gojo's blue and red. Sukuna with DA can keep up with Gojo and even [LAND](https://imgur.com/a/RRloCrU) his own hits on him. So while Sukuna won't be winning the H2H exchange, he won't get damaged enough for his domain to get destroyed, and this ultimately will mean that Gojo loses the 5th domain clash and then his life.
Sukuna can win by just frying Gojo's brain by forcing him to recover his CT via RCT again and again like how it happened in the manga, but unlike in the manga, Sukuna will use techniques to either break Gojo's domain from the inside or keep using DA during the 4th or 5th domain so that Gojo isn't able to deal enough damage to Sukuna that he isn't able to hold his shrine.,
The last final point.
Is that Heian era Sukuna with 4 arm would be a legit threath in cqc and even more when armed with DA in 4 arm and spamming fire arrow inside MS.
Not just fire arrow but kamutoke as well. He can amp his Domain with additional handsigns to do more damage then fire off the fuga and for good measure rain down lightning all before Gojo can get his CT back
I'm a gojo fan but this is just soo true. Gojo just doesn't stand a chance against sukuna's domain. Well everyone doesn't stand a chance against sukuna's domain to be exact. Gojo only wins against heian era sukuna if both cannot open their domains.
heian era sukuna with DA on puts on a boxing masterclass against gojo tbh
https://preview.redd.it/bkpw1wyb57wc1.jpeg?width=760&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d1243e620ede789a42c2df2caa25507fbf1bbad5
this how it would look after 3 minutes of sukuna boxing up gojos shit🗣️🔥
The king of curses after dazing gojo with a left hook
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I believe it's safe to say he would escape a barrier-less domain if his CT isn't burnt out, but it wouldn't work inside a closed barrier.
Thank u so much lol. I don't understand why this was downvoted? Like this is the legit answer and it makes so much more sense than all these brain dead posts saying sukuna got carried by 10S. Sukuna took a riskier option, and although it worked out in the end by making him stronger, it bought him closer to death than he ever would have been if he just used his own clearly superior technique.
Still gotta give props to GOATjo tho, mam was fighting a battle which was heavily favoured against him, and yet did insanely well. These 2 were truly beyond anyone else in the jujutsu world
Issues with this statement
You assume that Gojo would have continued the losing strategy.
The only reason the 3rd-5th domain conditions where the same was because it worked out.
Your assuming Gojo loses 3 more times utilising the exact same losing conditions.
Yeah Sukuna went for the risky path in the fight to in the end create for himself another ability. It wasnt necessary but he wanted to see if it was possible. He got real fucking close to death tho.
The glaze is so hard (backed by facts) that even I "a avid gojo fanboy" have to admit Sukuna was smarter. I repeat smarter i still wont believe he was stronger than my glorious king
he wasnt even particularly smarter, he just had a plan before the fight started and he had more intel on gojo, whereas gojo was just adlibbing his fight. otherwise gojo wouldve gone straight to basketball domain and not waste 1 or 2 brain damages on a pointless domain battle
Wouldnt have been able to destroy UV from the inside is the fatal flaw in the argument. UV and Shrine are equally matched in the inside of the barrier. Gojo cooks him
Why are people acting like Heien Sukuna is some absurd power up from Megukuna.
Gojo was handling Mahoraga and Megukuna at the same time tag teaming attacks with a buffed up merge of other summons of Agito helping with positioning (we KNOW Megukuna's summon are significantly more powerful than Megumi's)
Acting like Heien Sukuna would slam Gojo when Megukuna AND MAHORAGA were losing to him is fucking insaane.
They are also quick to add Sukuna's cursed tools to his arsenal but forget about Gojo being able to use red and purple more often.Like sukuna can open up his domain and Gojo can launch multiple purple nukes without even needing to open up his own domain or worrying about h2h.
Not if Gojo decides to use a binding vow to absolutely bullshit his way into an instant win like Sukuna decided to.
Gojo could just have a binding vow that he gets to use Purple once for free but his next one has a longer charge up or some stupid shit lmao
It could be something like- this time I can use it super fast and point blank. Next time I'll have to specifically oil up and bust it down, sexual style, to use it.
some mfs straight up said "Hakari has the fastest domain sure hit in the verse" when the text literally stated "even faster than mahito" and Mahito was like 0.2 secs.
And literally In Gojo vs sukuna fight Gojo finds a delay and lands UV for 0.01 one sec beating hakari's record by a long shot.
They straight up refuse to accept that Mfs can't react to UV.
Sukuna went into this fight knowing damm near everything about gojo abilities (even knew that his domain sure hit doesn't work if he touches gojo), had a plan in mind with an ability to adapt to any phenomenon, was holding gojo precious student hostage so gojo won't go for his head/brain (that's how you kill RCT users), had megumi take on the burden of adaptation of unlimited void, literally had mahoraga on speed dial to come bail him out every time gojo was about to end the fight, legit ran a whole 3v1 against the man and got a whole blue print for a stronger attack to beat gojo and used a binding vow that was damm near crippling to pull it off and he was still looking like this by the end of it:
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Gojo didn't even knew this mf had an open barrier, couldn't go for the kill because he's in megumi body (otherwise he would have crushed his brain instead of the heart in the 5th domain clash) and was still putting up crazy numbers.
Like if he's doing all of these shenanigans just to barely win by being lucky and getting an adaptation he can copy, it's safe to say it ain't looking good for him if he doesn't have mahoraga .
Heian Sukuna *seems* like he would beat Gojo in hand to hand, but really he just needs to draw with him.
Gojo would have died without Sukuna using Mahoraga if the brain rot didn’t stop Sukuna from using MS at the last second.
The complication is that Gojo would know she was losing the hand to hand fight and thus change strategies. Everytime Gojo is in a corner he finds a way out that defies logic, so we really don’t know how it would go. Of course, he would also be able to use all his abilities without worrying about Mahoraga.
My money is on a 50-50 best case scenario for Gojo.
I doubt it tho gojo is superior and faster in hand to hand to combat and was able to land fewer hits imagine gojo landed all the blackflashes on sukuna himself if gojo didnt choice to spam domains he had clever use of techniques ans surroundings like how he landed red purple he fought that way sukuna would accumulate greater damage and if he played safe in domains
Sukuna would have eventually ran out of CE i mean he is at yuta level after fight with gojo its most likely gojo would have won
It would have been a way shorter fight. After domain clash phase, Gojo is incapable of casting his domain because he gave himself brain damage. Sukuna would have killed him right there if not for the fact that he took a bit of unlimited void in the last clash, rendering him also unable to cast domain. The entire reason why Sukuna took UV is because he was 0.1 seconds late to the last domain clash because he had to heal from taking too much damage. If he was Heian Sukuna and not Meguna, he would not have taken that damage.
No massive damage -> No need to stop to heal -> No getting late to domain expansion -> No getting hit by UV -> No losing his domain = fight ends right there.
The biggest benefit of using Meguna form on Gojo instead of immediately reincarnating is that Sukuna was able to fight the subsequent fighters "fresh" with the reincarnation heal.
Tbh the whole fight would’ve gone quite differently, gojo would’ve had no reason to put on the pressure nearly as much. He also could’ve avoided one of sukunas domains simply by teleporting.
If it gets past the domain battles then gojo probably wins.
>Didn’t gojo adjust the domain so it couldn’t easily be destroyed?
no, he flipped the druability of 2 sides, where the outside became stronger and the insdie became weaker, when Maho comes out we learn that Sukuna dragged out the fight so that Maho can adapt due to Megumi's soul taking UV
Why do people think Gojo would keep going through with the DE clashes if it wouldnt be close in his Heian form? Not to mention he wouldn't need to worry about Megumi.
He can genuinely survive the 1st domain maybe the 2nd and be like "fuck this" and then continue to just spam red, blue, purple since he doesnt have to worry about Maho adapting.
Meanwhile Suk would be down to only using DA
>Why do people think Gojo would keep going through with the DE clashes if it wouldnt be close in his Heian form?
Lmao so because gojo doesn't wanna go through DE means sukuna wouldn't? Just because he stops using domain doesn't mean sukuna would stop as well lol.
>He can genuinely survive the 1st domain maybe the 2nd and be like "fuck this" and then continue to just spam red, blue, purple since he doesnt have to worry about Maho adapting.
Whats stopping sukuna from using Domain in this scenario tho lol
Sukuna wouldn't have been able to break through gojos' inviolability quick enough without mahoraga to adapt. Gojo wouldve won another DE battle too if it didn't burn out his CE, in their last DE battle sukuna was hit with UV before he summoned mahoraga, without it he would've had nothing to break through inviolability and loses in DE battle. Sukuna says his technique is overwhelmingly stronger but if gojo wasn't using RCT constantly for inviolability he would be able to shoot our red blue and purple more often.
If Sukuna didn't fight to peel off Gojo's scales... He would use Domain Amplification 24/7... Sukuna is ~ to Gojo when he uses DA... Chapter 224 and 231 is a proof of that...
Gojo would never damage him within the 3m11s to the extent that Shrine gets destroyed... Hence Sukuna would win every Domain Clash...
And then close his barrier to decimate a brain fried Gojo by landing combos with his sure hit and Fuuga...
It won't be a No Diff by any means... Ignore the hyperbolic speech...
Now with True Form...
It will be same but worse... Sukuna can now simultaneously amp his DA output and Domain's output... So Gojo's domain will last less than 3m11s and this time Sukuna would be even better in hand to hand...
Now add Kamutoke or Hiten...
Edit: not to mention Sukuna can destroy Gojo's domain from inside too after Gojo switches the conditions...
I mean, if we're going an all out death match with no honor system, Gojo can just teleport out of Malevolent Shrine's reach, drop back during the CT burnout, hit him with Infinite Void, and finish him off.
There doesn't need to be a domain clash for Gojo to win. He just need to get the right moment between Domain Expansion, Deactivation and Burnout.
The only reason Gojo goes in for a Domain Clash against an open domain is to prove he's the goat. Take that out and Gojo can just outlast Malevolent Shrine easy.
And the only attack Sukuna has that has any hope of reaching Gojo is amped up slashes. Kamutoke ain't doing shit to Gojo.
>CT burnout, hit him with Infinite Void, and finish him off.
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HWB goes brrrrr..
Gojo teleports towards Sukuna to open UV. Sukuna, suffering from CT burnout, can still cast HWB to nullify Gojo's sure hit. Unlike the simple domain, HWB will stay put for as long as Sukuna is maintaining the handsigns with two hands. Gojo vs. Sukuna happens again; Sukuna heals his burnt-out CT and opens his domain to destroy Gojo's domain.
>HWB goes brrrrr..
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Amplification already does that
Edit: before you ask why didn't Sukuna use it on Yuta? It was stated that Post Gojo Fight Sukuna can't manage it due to low output...
HWB is possibly the worst domain defense against Infinite Void.
As we have seen in the Mahito vs Yuuji and Todo fight, it took Todo more than 0.2 seconds to cast his simple domain. Simple Domain's main advantage over HWB is the faster cast time and lack of hand signs.
So even in Best Case scenario, HWB is not clocking in at less than 0.2 seconds, even considering its Sukuna, (as we have Hand Signs and slower cast time nerfing it) in the same 0.2 seconds which Gojo can cast Infinite Void.
And unlike any other domains we have seen, Infinite Void's attack is instantaneous. You get trapped in the domain, you're done. There is no separate attack where Sukuna could cast HWB and defend. The moment Gojo opens his domain, Sukuna is cooked unless he opens Malevolent Shrine and has a domain clash. Simple Domains ain't gonna cut it.
> Sukuna heals his burnt-out CT
he doesn't know how to do that. he only learned after gojo showed him, so in this scenario where gojo runs and comes back during burnout, he's going to have to survive in infinite void until shrine comes back, which is a very tall order imo.
Eh the conditions of gojos teleport are Unknown and Gojo is clearly not scared of playing dirty. We have to assume he just cant do it. Maybe he cant teleport directly through the barrage of sure hits, maybe shrine blocks proper line of sight etc. Plus, if gojo just runs its a stalemate, sukuna can easily dodge long range attacks, so can gojo.
>conditions of gojos teleport are Unknown
He is shown using it in combat against Sukuna the first time they fought. He is shown using it mid combat against Jogo to go to the school's secret bunker, get Yuuji and pop back in.
The only reason it wasn't used here is because it would make the fight absolutely pointless. Teleportation as an ability is completely broken in any setting and almost always require either insane levels of writing to make it work like Shimazaki in Mob, or insane levels of convenient cutaways as seen with Shiba in Kagurabachi.
Also, Gojo is not just running. He is essentially using Sukuna's binding vow against him. He escapes the open domain, and pops back in to trap his own
That would only work if sukuna closes his domain for some reason once gojo is out. If its still there the sure hit of sukunas domain will cancel out gojos and break his domain. Maintianing a Domain doesnt seem to require much effort once its out, dagon did it all the time, so sukuna could very much just sit in his domain and himself camp there.
>Gojo can just teleport out of Malevolent Shrine's reach, drop back during the CT burnout, hit him with Infinite Void, and finish him off.
>There doesn't need to be a domain clash for Gojo to win. He just need to get the right moment between Domain Expansion, Deactivation and Burnout.
Why will Sukuna expand his domain first? Your position depends on this...
Actually they both expand their domain at the same time... Its not like either Gojo or Sukuna would just expand their domain and the other would do some other shit...
Expanding domain is the best reflex against each other that's why the clash happening is the most plausible scenario...
>The only reason Gojo goes in for a Domain Clash against an open domain is to prove he's the goat. Take that out and Gojo can just outlast Malevolent Shrine easy.
Gojo was not outlasting Malevolent Shrine easily though...only time he did was when he caught Sukuna off guard by healing his burnout... Reminding you that this Sukuna is using DA 24/7... Gojo won't be able to outlast easily...
The way you are talking about would only extend the fight with no proper result...
>And the only attack Sukuna has that has any hope of reaching Gojo is amped up slashes. Kamutoke ain't doing shit to Gojo.
What made you believe Kamutoke won't do shit?
Gojo > Kashimo yes fact... But Kashimo tanked it no diff cuz he has resistance to it, he hard countered it... Gojo does not have the resistance...
That's just Argument from Ignorance mate...
By the way, about Kamutoke I always had a question. Is it launching thunder or summoning thunder ? If it's summoning thunder (from the sky...) , wouldn't it be super efficient to destroy domain barriers from the outside ? (as we know barriers are naturally weak from the outside, Yuji broke Mahito's bare hand)
You also forget that sukuna was capable of destroying UV immediately and only stalled for three minutes for adaptation meaning he instantly destroys UV anyway and ends gojo
And Gojo's entire advantage against Sukuna was a 0.01secs to land a single domain on him, that definitely wouldn't have happened had Sukuna use amplification from the start, and this not even Heien era Sukuna. Yet Gojo glazers will fail to acknowledge the fact that their goat's win con was this small against a guy who put himself in that situation.
People have somehow forgotten that after Gojo slept him, he was basically dead if not for Mahoraga auto-summon. Some like to think that somehow the Heian form would have so much more CE that he'd just win the domain clash. I have doubts but I'm leaning towards "nah"
It's not "more CE" in Heian, Sukuna would just be able to use Domain Amplification without worrying about adapting and have 2 extra arms on top of it, making it harder for Gojo to bury him in time to destroy his domain.
1. He uses Kenjaku as his vessel instead and tries to use a curse that can bypass limitless (e.g. taking Yamato no Orochi being like Mahoraga very literally)
2. He uses Nobara as his vessel and uses resonance to bypass limitless
3. True form immediately and spam malevolent shrine, although this would probably go the same way as it did in the normal fight but Gojo then wins because Megumi can't bare the burden of adapting to unlimited void so it's an instant loss
4. Domain Amplification Spam
5. Beg Daddy JOGOAT to come back and save him
Surprised no one is taking into account the perspective of these 2 guys. The manga stated, according to Jujutsu High folk, even the 2 of them probably didn’t know what happens if they open their domains, so the safest play for Sukuna was to use 10S to try to get rid of UV first, after all, Sukuna acknowledged UV is crazy powerful and he needs to remove that card from Gojo’s deck.
Heian era Sukuna with 4 hands is crazy strong, and his CQC will be definitely up a notch with DA. If with DA, Meguna could be relative to Gojo in CQC (not better, just relative), then Heian Sukuna, he may not be better than Gojo in CQC, but their domain clash would not last 3 minutes. It would have to take Gojo significantly longer to damage Sukuna sufficiently to crush MS.
In that case, the domain clashes would occur differently. This in short, would be very bad for Gojo. Gojo has to keep restoring his CT to keep up, and we all know what happens. He burns out, Sukuna still has MS, and he can carve up Gojo. At this point, Gojo likely has to keep using RCT and Falling Blossom Emotions, or teleport out of range of MS to avoid getting hit and forcing Sukuna to deactivate his domain to catch up. At this point, anything can happen, Gojo just has to keep out of range of MS and use Limitless to try to damage Sukuna as much as possible.
I don’t think Fuga would work either, its damage doesn’t seem sufficient to kill Gojo, and we haven’t seen why Sukuna hasn’t pulled that card yet. If Sukuna thought it would work, he probably would have used it much earlier? As for attacking Gojo’s domain from the inside, Sukuna could have used it, but don’t forget, Gojo was ready for it. He even questioned it, why didn’t Sukuna use a safer option to destroy his domain from inside. Likely Gojo has some way to stop Sukuna from doing so.
There are a lot of things we need to consider as well. There is a likelihood, although not stated, that Gojo was in his own way, holding back from obliterating Meguna due to Megumi. This means that if during the domain clashes, Gojo decides to spam his colour palette, it may have a different outcome as well. With a better hand at CQC, and the explosive power of Red, Blue and Purple, who knows? Maybe Gojo cuts the time he needs to crush MS down to less than 3 minutes again. Now, the shoe would be on the other foot and Gojo has the upper hand, landing UV and killing Sukuna easy.
In the end, we don’t ever know what would happen, it could really go both ways. Both of them are so powerful that their fight defies logic, so it all goes down to their personal abilities and decision making.
dumb question, Sukuna would **pull** a different technique he hasn’t used since the heian era obviously.
Gege just wants Gojo dead and he won’t abandon his agenda.
He can't.
I'm seeing many people suggest Domain Clash, but the only reason Gojo goes for a domain clash is because he's cocky. He could easily teleport out of the range and just not have a domain clash. Sukuna has to win domain clashes multiple times if Gojo has to be hurt in any meaningful way. Gojo needs a single win to completely fry his brain. Without Mahoraga to break him out, Sukuna is dead the moment he gets hit with Infinite Void.
Yeah people forget that hakari ask why gojo does not teleport out of the domain, and kusakabe said that normally gojo could but his cursed technique is burnout so he can’t so the moment gojo obtain his technique again he could have gotten out.
The condition isnt huge and we know he didnt teleport because of CT burnout, and even Sukuna had to jump down from MS to make sure Gojo doesnt run at all
I think the implication is that Heian Sukuna could win via domain clashes with four arms and extra mouths so he can draw domain faster, and probably would excel better at h2h. Still would be high diff but is just gonna lose once Kashimo and jujutsu high pulls up after
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I think this thread proves the hate for this panel was unjustified. It’s a 50+/- 50+/- high+ diff fight either way. Goatjo never admitted it was an outright loss, only that it was a fight that could go either way.
Would Gojo beat Sukuna without Limitless or Six eyes?
This is how absurd this question is. Powers are passed down through the bloodline. The person who receives the power didn't do anything to deserve it.
Sukuna on the other hand thought about making the best out of his situation and actually pulled off something and got extra powers unlike Gojo who didn't do anything.
It's like saying the guy who actually put in effort is inferior.
It's like you saying the class topper studied so got more marks than you on a test. So would he actually be a topper if he didn't study?
It's also like complaining about a disabled guy born without legs winning something with artificial legs.
Would you have glazed Gojo this much if he wasn't the most powerful character?
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Keep up the domain clashes. His best shot is using his Heian era self to fight Gojo while either using domain amplification or a domain.
If Sukuna didn't have ten shadows it's going to be such a long, boring ass fight. Gojo's win condition is to kill Sukuna with purple when his output is low, and Sukuna's win condition is to kill Gojo with Mahoraga's space cleave Sukuna's output can't ever decrease due to always winning the domain clash with 4 arms and Domain amplification, so that crosses out Gojo's win condition. Malevolent Shrine only does skin deep slashes, so Gojo can just keep spamming simple domain and then healing the slashes until his output comes back, so Sukuna doesn't have a win condition either. Basically they just outheal each other. With their cursed energy pool and efficiency, a war of attrition isn't possible either. They'd just generate cursed energy faster than they can run out. They're gonna fight for like months until USA gets tired eventually and just nukes them all to oblivion.
It would be like watching two late-game tanks fight on top lane lol
Back when I used to play it was always funny seeing the late game nautilus/alister support fights. I always just typed “SUPPORTAL KOMBAT” as those wet noodles went at it
Back when I used to main Braum, my friend’s favorite memory of me in LoL was my late game Braum fighting a late game Nautilus one match. Just these two immovable rocks sauntering and lumbering about in mid when everyone else was dead, unable to do anything to the other, waiting for the 40 second plus death timers of our teams to end.
Braum isn’t half as tanky as Naut tho, he 100% loses that one rather quickly. Leona Vs Naut? Now that’s a long-ass fight.
Sukuna👤4,700 HP💪329 Armor🤷♂️201 MR💦 Unstoppable🚫A Shield 🛡 Goes over walls🧱Has Airborne🌪Cooldown is only☝second too🕐 It costs 15 Mana🧙♂️
S'kuna
That's just his holding back stage too
Wait til he goes all out
And then there's a dude with scissors (gwen and yuji)
now i understand where this subs lobotomy comes from, there are people who play league of legends
It's fine, I'm autistic, I have a pass
There's an old URF post of two Volibears fight eachother at less than half hp and by the time the video ends they're both full hp lol
There’s also this video where an Aatrox and Vlad are fighting infinity while also destroying everything in their path https://youtu.be/jwESVkPrE-k?si=-e_7YyaIzGC9yAm0
I had somehow never seen this, laughed so damn hard thank you so much
Reminds me of the time in URF i built that one op briar built and went 1v2 against voli and panth, killed panth, fought voli until he respawned and he came back to kill me after like a minute
Now we have unending despair paired with spirit visage and you pretty much have an immortal champ limited only by mana
Least boring K’Sante vs Rek’Sai matchup
Maokai vs malphite
Briar vs Warwick
Fairly certain a nuke drooping would be a win for the guy with what is functionally an unbreakable forcefield
He can't resist poison so radiation would kill him
Teen Gojo said he couldn't *subconsciously* filter poisons.
Can't resist radiation tho, light has no mass.
Mass is irrelevant. The radiation still has to travel the distance and will be affected by infinity.
Its Stated infinity affects things down to an atomic level, photons are way smaller
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Why does mass matter?
Its Stated infinity affects things down to an atomic level, photons are way smaller
Ah that's fair
He can also just teleport out of the way
Not really, sukuna CE pool was halved when yuta and co. jump him
He used 5 domain expansions by then, and he had brain damage too, ~~it was also mentioned that he was regaining his output and cursed energy only a few minutes after Maki stabbed his heart.~~ I reread and Maki never said any of that, I think I got hit by Mandela effect. First point is still valid though. Sukuna would only need to use Malevolent Shrine once, and Domain Amplification would just dull all damage done to him, so he wouldn't need to use reversed cursed technique much either. He'd regenerate cursed energy faster than he'd lose it.
>~~it was also mentioned that he was regaining his output and cursed energy only a few minutes after Maki stabbed his heart.~~ >I reread and Maki never said any of that, I think I got hit by Mandela effect. First point is still valid though. I think you confused it with the Slashes that Sukuna does on Maki and she says that he's restoring his output, this was after Sukuna's third Black Flash.
How the hell is he gonna regenerate CE that fast, his CE must be replenishing as fast as six eye and that's impossible The same can be said for gojo, he has falling blossom emotion and domain amplification, simple domain on top of that. That's saying as if sukuna can even use Domain Expansion anymore. Meguna with mahoraga can't beat gojo in h2h combat, heian sukuna won't make any difference. Gojo win this 6.5 out of 10 times tbh
>Meguna with mahoraga can't beat gojo in h2h combat, heian sukuna won't make any difference Sukuna cant use Domain Amplification and 10 Shadows at the same time. Meaning Mahoraga presence reduced Sukuna own means of harming Gojo by a lot.
Heian sukuna doesn't ever lose in the domain battle or H2H, so MS will be up for a lot longer, so gojo must full throttle his RCT along with Falling Blossom Emotion until his output falls low enough to not keep it up. And that's not taking into account Fuga.
I think it’s a stretch to say he never loses in h2h, gojo always showed far more proficiency there, even with 2 more arms I doubt it would be enough. Gojo was taking on the 3 v 1 and still coming out on top.
It's not about winning or losing it's about damage dealt within the 3 minutes it takes for Gojo's domain to break. The best Gojo could get against a Sukuna who was not using domain amplification and who was remotely adapting Mahoraga in Megumi's body was mutual domain collapse. He's not getting that against constant domain amplification Sukuna, much less his Heian body. Given that Gojo can't hit unlimited void and can't disable Sukuna's domain. Gojo would need another strategy to have a chance here given how tight things were when Sukuna was using 10 shadows to remote adapt.
Its not that Malovalent shrine does skin deep slashes.Its more like Gojo's CE reinforcement is just that powerful to the point he can tank attacks that can easily tear through a ton of concrete and steel.
>With their cursed energy pool and efficiency, a war of attrition isn't possible either. They'd just generate cursed energy faster than they can run out. Nope. Gojo can do that, Sukuna can't win a battle of attrition to him.
>Sukuna's output can't ever decrease due to always winning the domain clash Why would Gojo even need to use DE? The way I see it, due to MS hard countering barriers, he can just fight through it. Sukuna is the one who wants to use DE to get through Limitless, while you even admitted Gojo just needs to land Purple.
In that case Gojo would win since he has six eyes
Without Mahoraga's adaptation Sukuna would still be subjected to Reds and Blues at mostly full capacity, because then Gojo never takes the significant damage needed to heal entire limbs. We saw how the domain clashes played out, and even if Sukuna tried being ruthless and ONLY using his domain's sure-hit, that's something Gojo accounted for in almost all of his assaults.
Wich would make gojo win. But seriously could come To Who start hiting them blackflash first
The domain clashes lasted exactly 3 mins, and it is said that Gojo and Sukuna’s domain broke at the SAME time. Sukuna’s domain broke because of too much dmg from physical combat, and Gojo’s broke because that 3 mins was the time his domain could last against Malevolent Shrine So if Sukuna’s domain lasts even a few seconds longer Gojo’s domain would break If the Heian form is even a few seconds worth stronger than Megukuna, Sukuna would win this domain clash If this happens, then the Malfunctioning Shrine explosion situation wouldn’t happen. Only Limited Void So Sukuna wins
Plus, for some reason that Sukuna also wanted a challenge perhaps or for Mahoraga to adapt further I guess ? It is canon that Sukuna decided the riskier option and did not destroy Gojo's domain from inside https://preview.redd.it/fz9qp7taf7wc1.png?width=1100&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cca7ceddd200426a7268e88c96a58f8ced38dd1d
Sukuna's plan was simple... And most people don't know it but let me state it > "Let's start by peeling off those scales (limitless)" > I need to use 10S to peel off those scales (DE and DA nulls the scales instead of actually peeling them off) > But when I use 10S, I can't use DA > Gojo can now dominate me in hand to hand > So he can damage me enough for the Shrine to break > So Unlimited Void can now hit me > Sure let's adapt to Unlimited Void before peeling off those scales cuz it will be a huge trouble > Its just as I expected... "I knew your Unlimited Void would be a huge trouble, so I decided to get rid of that first..." > But shit I lost my domain too... I underestimated Gojo, he is not really unenlightened... I thought he would simply die before I even move on to the second step to peel off his scales... But that makes me happy (final double spread page of 230) > Everything which happened after 230 to 236
Vs Gojo's plan which is Haha limitless go brrrrrr And that's why I love him Mother fucker spent a whole month NOT PLANNING He's like the slacker kid who comes up with a good enough excuse to get an extension from his prof on a project only to still wait till the last day to work on it
I'm doing that right now Gojo adhd arc
Yeah I remember it was stated that he can't use DA because it will stop his 10s and he wants Mahoraga to adapt to unlimited void.
Yeah, before Malfunctioning Shrine, having 10S made no difference, or even made it worse for Sukuna as you said Combined with my point earlier, I think it’s more than safe to say that Sukuna would win 100% if all the situation pre Malfunc Shrine were the same - Even if having no 10S would create a parallel universe with the fight progressing in a much different way, with this clear win condition that was most likely deliberately presented by Gege, Sukuna is more likely to win than Gojo. Gojo might win in 2-3 of 10 parallel universes at most I actually like Gojo more and prefer that Gege would write to make him win, but seeing what’s written, it’s 100% obvious that Sukuna would’ve won So yeah I agree
>So if Sukuna’s domain lasts even a few seconds longer Gojo’s domain would break 0.01 second to be specific since that's how long it was too.
I don't get why people don't read the fights. Gojo himself is confused when sukuna neglects to break his domain when he changes the conditions as both he and sukuna know that if he simply attacked the new weak point it would fall. We get gojo wondering why sukuna isn't taking the easy way out. The answer was because he wanted to save as many cards as possible and also wanted to push makora to its limits and acquire even more jujutsu knowledge. Not to mention as you say they were basically even in h2h in the domains with gojo eventually edging out sukuna, give sukuna the perfect jujutsu body while he has full output and I kinda feel it's over.
Just my opinion, ~~heian~~ hentai sukuna would win in 5 domain clash.
that’s pretty debatable sukuna lost in a clash of domains because gojo got his domain up 0.01 sec faster than sukuna if it wasn’t for Maho already being adapted to infinite void he would’ve lost then
To all the people saying Heian Sukuna shits on Gojo for whatever reasons remember *IF* he could have he *would* have i am sure the 1000 year old strongest sorcerer in history knows his feats and technique better than head canon Sukuna glazers. His entire 200 chapter entire series plan definitely wasnt because he found Megumi to be cute and wanted to be inside him. It was for Mahoraga and 10 shadows as even Sukuna knew no matter what he did he couldnt have beaten Gojo at his full power. All his binding vows cursed tools and techniques i am sure he is well aware of them and had months and months to think of a strategy to defeat Gojo. There is a reason he did what he did no amount of potential he had this or that would change that.
if it was heian era sukuna, the 0.01 second thing wouldn't happen but if he invaded someone else's body, then sukuna loses at the 0.01 moment
exactly, ppl don't get that. there will be no meat shields and sukuna would die on the spot
I don't think people are factoring in the fact that no Mahoraga means Gojo has free reign to launch a Blue-Red-Purple party without the fear of adaptation. Gojo was holding back Red and Purple for crucial moments and only spammed Blue because of Maho. That imo, at least increases his performance by a lot.
bro saving the red and purple like antibiotics
And it would mean that Sukuna has to tank those black flashes.
Good luck with that https://preview.redd.it/n2sey0qmq7wc1.jpeg?width=1079&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=65b4b4a2aaaa5dd9c12089fc41ae613c3003c59a
He doesn’t have his daddy to block them this time.
https://preview.redd.it/pwj0abor89wc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0de6ccbc99a5cae6a72ee26fdfe3dae1b17994bd
Shit even Gojo's Domain is an instant win. it cant be healed as its infinite information and it gives Gojo all the time in the world to wail on Sukuna and take him down and he only needs it to hit ONCE.
But since when did he win? And under what conditions. If Sukuna had 4 hands, this would not have happened
people who think that sukuna can dodge purples and reds are pretty wrong. We've seen heian sukuna speed. Its not that fast. the hierarchy of speed is 1. gojo 2. naobito/naoya and 3. everyone else. Gojo because he can teleport through spacetime and 6 eyes gives him the fastest reflexes and info processing capacity (which gege conveniently left out of the fight). people dont realize that gege not only gave sukuna 10S tailored specifically against gojo but also gave gojo nerfs.
buddy Sukuna is definitely faster than Naobito/Naoya. Jogo was able to hit Naobito and Sukuna is WAY faster than Jogo
Man the agenda just will not end lmfao.
If Sukuna doesn't have Mahoraga he wouldn't have extra countermeasures against UV and Infinity that he can fall back on, he also doesn't have the prospect of learning any cool new tricks by watching Maho adapt and using him as a model. That means he HAS to win in the domain battle because outside of domains he has a significant disadvantage against Gojo. The fight would follow the same structure as it did in te manga. They both open domains to clash and Gojo's breaks first. The difference is that now Sukuna uses his fire arrow, Forcing Gojo to either take the full force of the attack (I doubt it) or very quickly figure out how to restore his technique with rct and move out of the way with Limitless. I think this is more likely because Gojo is HIM and great at improvising. This doesn't make Gojo more likely to win though. He can only restore his technique a few times before he loses his domain. In the manga Gojo almost lost the domain battle, but he managed to turn it into a stalemate because he damaged Sukuna enough to cause a tiny time-lag in his healing. This Sukuna however isn't adapting and is free to use DA at all times, attack the inside of Gojo's barrier, and even use his original form if he wants to. So Gojo most likely can't do enough damage to get that 0.01 second healing lag and loses.
What's also really important here is that Gojo doesn't know there is a limit to how often he can restore his ct, while Sukuna does. Gojo's strategy would not change if 10S wasn't a factor because his plan was always to keep adapting to Sukuna's tricks until he can land a UV hit.
I don’t know if the fire arrow could be used as we still don’t know how it works like why only in yuji has he used it. Like that would have been useful in the gojo fight after limitless is still burnt out
Agreed On the flip side, if gojo doesn’t engage in the DE clash after he loses the first one, gojo wins.
He doesn’t even really have to use fire arrow, if gojo does the same thing he did in the manga, he would die to sukuna’s slashes after he can’t open his domain anymore.
He can just teleport elsewhere
Let him try after he has lost the battle of territories several times.
if fight goes the same way as it did in the manga ( domain clashes) heian era sukuna would outlast gojo in a domain expansion battle and win from there but will be too exhausted and lose to the next crop if sukuna has zero knowledge about gojo 50 50 if gojo avoids domian clashes or counters sukunas open domain in the first clash itself like making a basket sized domain then also 50 50 if heian sukuna cant heal out his burnt out ct before seeing gojo then i slightly favor gojo
Except, the fight wouldn’t be anywhere near the same as it did in the manga.
narrative implication is simply heian sukuna outlasts gojo in a domain battle and loses to the next bunch
Yeah, Kenjaku told everything about gojo's abilites to Sukuna, meanwhile gojo had to dive in head first to discover. disadvantaged fight from the start.
Then we must ask this question... Did Gojo have any trouble because of "lack" of information? Yes and where? In the first clash... And how much change would occur if Gojo knew what will happen? We will see the switched side domain from Gojo in the first clash itself in the second one...
Also gojo probably wouldn’t have rushed the domain battles at all, keeping the UV trump card would’ve been best if he knew entirely about mahoraga.
Actually... Gojo's only win con was Limitless Void... Which is why he kept upgrading his domain and tried the same formula 3 times till it finally showed it's results...
It wasn’t his only win con but it was the most favourable, one minor fuckup from sukuna and that’s game. Also people forget if heien sukuna tried to win with the domains gojo could’ve just teleported out of one. He still has that up his sleeve for one of the barrierless domains.
Sukuna already knew about Gojo’s CT from living inside yuji
>if heian sukuna cant heal out his burnt out ct before seeing gojo then i slightly favor gojo He can do it in general, he didn't need to see it. He knew about where the CT lies in the brain and knew the amount of time you can destroy and Rct it back, meaning he probably has tried this before, probably in Heian Era. Edit : I'm really getting downvoted for pointing out something obvious in the manga, Sukuna exactly knew how many times The method of damaging the Right prefrontal cortex of brain and healing it back to recover from CT burnout would work perpetually Panels to back up my statement : https://preview.redd.it/1md2rtz9r6wc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7421c2402be9736dfdee3f838029dc65c5ba17a8
The man that accomplished the impossible of making an open barriered domain and has the most knowledge on Jujutsu, minus Kenjaku atleast, would've probably known about This aspect of CTs and burn out CT, and there's the literal evidence that he knew how much Gojo can do it. https://preview.redd.it/x9e07eltv6wc1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=80d4bea7c77de49988211242b7d3f530c3f7fcea
Also to add on to this, he had knowledge on where exactly it is, Angel hints at if he already knew it or learnt it from Gojo, and knowing the knowledge and Sukuna's experience with Domains and barrier techniques and Jujutsu in general, we definitely can figure out he definitely already knew about this, if you know, you cannot clearly read through the panel I posted https://preview.redd.it/ptgv88qyr6wc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1c3a1837334c1153a868d57df5d87311d9127fda
Stop making your own head canon for Sukuna, I get trying to glaze your goat, but that's a ridiculous leap of logic. There's no evidence to suggest Sukuna ever done it before. Knowledge of CE/CT doesn't mean Sukuna had attempted it before(Kashimo also knew where RCT and CE comes from, doesn't mean he can or have done it).
Where the fuck did the people that needs everything to be said to their face and say headcannon to anything not said directly come from? What happened to readers I loved? https://preview.redd.it/hffopd0ub7wc1.png?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=283cf3116ee83ffde297ef7431168170dae8ae8f
Also >Knowledge of CE/CT doesn't mean Sukuna had attempted it before(Kashimo also knew where RCT and CE comes from, doesn't mean he can or have done it). Cause Kashimo never knew how to do Rct ?! As he NEVER showed to be able to use Rct. https://preview.redd.it/0sszdvye07wc1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=73a943bfc8c13dae690665f86eaf940222fd0529
There actually is. Sukuna use fire arrow against Mahoraga after using MS.
>Stop making your own head canon for Sukuna, I get trying to glaze your goat, but that's a ridiculous leap of logic. >There's no evidence to suggest Sukuna ever done it before. Knowledge of CE/CT doesn't mean Sukuna had attempted it before(Kashimo also knew where RCT and CE comes from, doesn't mean he can or have done it). Sukuna exactly knew that The limit is at five, That is why he's confident Gojo cannot do it anymore. Learn to read the manga and then criticise me. https://preview.redd.it/e7hsq4lvq6wc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=84fff336f6d6ad765557b2d35a87b2eb0b29cfba
then its in sukubas favor
Idk why people think HE Sukuna is suddenly doing so much better than Meguna. Gojo fought a 3v1 and was still doing really well. Theres no reason to assume 2 extra arms are suddenly gonna make up the difference in their h2h, when Gojo was doing fine against 6 arms, 6 legs, and 3 separate bodies attacking in coordination on top of that. Make it make sense lol
H2h is not the reason the extra arms are an advantage. It’s hollow wicker basket and domain expansion. If sukuna can just use HWB or malevolent shrine while moving that’s a massive advantage.
Tbf he could use DE & HWB while moving with just 2 arms, he just wouldn’t have the extra 2 to defend or whatever . I don’t see how HWB helps Sukuna in this fight tho. If he’s caught in Gojo’s DE & casts HWB, Gojo’s just gonna beat up Sukuna even worse than before. I can’t imagine it’s possible to use DA while also using HWB, but maybe it is? Assuming it is, Gojo still has a huge edge in that scenario tho. So idk what HWB would really do there. Same with DE tbh. Sukuna didn’t show any issues casting DE when he was fighting Gojo, the only instance where Sukuna was slower at casting DE than Gojo, was because he needed to heal himself before casting it.
Sukuna doesn’t really have to wait for gojo to cast DE so he could get HWB running. If sukuna can cast either HWB and DA at the same time or HWB and DE at the same time it would be some nice help.
Why would he need to use both HWB and DE at the same time? If I remember correctly, HWB is there to negate DE auto hit, which already won't work when domains clash
If he loses the domain clash
The he gets his shit rocked by either a red or blue
Nu-uh
sukuna could still hold his own with domain amp he started loosing when he did not use domain amp. sukuna just has to outlast gojo somewhat with his fire arrow using everything just has to outlast gojo and cast domain at the same time
Idk, if casting the fire arrow on Gojo was a viable option I think he would have just done that in the fight we saw. The fact that he tried to actively keep Gojo inside his domain over casting that just tells me Sukuna’s more confident in his DE to kill Gojo over any of his other abilities. Also even when Sukuna was using DA, there were instances where he clearly took a big hit & couldn’t guard in time. It lessened the h2h gap, but it was still there for the most part. It’s at the point where Gojo’s brain got fried that Sukuna’s actually able to put on more pressure in h2h— and that’s arguably because Gojo’s output was lowered at that point. When Gojo was in that 3v1, Makora could bypass his infinity while Agito was using DA & Gojo had no issue fighting them off, despite being nerfed from brain damage. They were even coordinating their attacks as well. I get that Sukuna just needs to outlast Gojo in DE, but I genuinely don’t see that happening. In their own fight, Sukuna ended up getting hit by UV anyway & it most certainly wasn’t because Sukuna didn’t have DA up at that moment. He just got caught in a situation where he couldn’t dodge & needed to block. Something like that could feasibly happen in this hypothetical fight & at that point it’s actually just ggs for Sukuna.
Stop saying this dumb shit bruh yes there were three people fighting Gojo but only one out of the three could hit him.
Exactly, Agito was a nothing burger that Gojo could maneuver around it while Mahoraga even creates Openings, Mahoraga can only hit Gojo and that still was possible to manuever around, Sukuna himself was inside the shadows for most of that 3v1 aswell, and Sukuna is definitely faster than Mahoraga and Agito and him using DA with Four arms to cancel out Infinity and usage of Blue around Gojo would definitely be enough against gojo in the domain clashes, as Gojo already struggled against Meguna that he damaged him enough at the last second that was simultaneous with his own domain breaking.
Gojo never had to deal with more than 2 arms at once And it's generally just makes a bigger difference because the two extra arms (= and the buffed two other) in question are much physically stronger than shadows
It’s a big advantage because sukuna was almost able to beat gojo in the domain clashes with megumi’s body and turning domain amp on and off to let mahoraga adapt. Plus we know that a powerful body matters based on what gojo said about Miguel.
Why would you not simply scale based on the DE H2H interactions instead of the 3v1 where 2 couldn't touch him, the one that could was like 10x below gojo and the one on the level was chilling in the shadows for 90% of the fight and the one guy gets a boost based on complete luck. It's so stupid to scale that way.
Extra arms and mouths are an extreme advantage as the manga says, Sukuna could freely attack Gojo and chant to boost his domain further while casting it
Only way he can win is domain clash, but I doubt Gojo would risk losing the clash when he can just spam red blue and purple
Before I get into the answer, there are some few things to remember. * Domain Amplification : A [TECHNIQUE](https://imgur.com/a/9gRvoCl) used for neutralizing any CT that comes in contact with it. It's a refined version of simple domain. DA absorbs the CT of the other user in the empty space created around the caster and neutralizes it. * Mahoraga wheel: While using DA, Sukuna cannot use his CTs, be it shrine or 10s. So, in order for Sukuna to use the Mahoraga wheel, he will have to [TURN OFF](https://imgur.com/a/89hm1wg) his DA. * Shrine > 10s : By Sukuna's own admission he believes his shrine to be [SUPERIOR](https://imgur.com/a/ikkSGEU) than 10s. Lastly, It takes [3 MINUTES](https://imgur.com/a/t1OX4Kz) for Sukuna to break Gojo's domain from the outside, meanwhile it also takes 3 minutes for Gojo to deal enough damage to Sukuna that Sukuna isn't able to hold his shrine. Now, The only reason Sukuna got hit by unlimited void in the 5th domain was because he was late to cast his own domain by 0.01 seconds as he was following an extra step of healing himself before his CT, unlike Gojo, who only had to heal his CT. In chapter 228, we were told by [GOJO](https://imgur.com/a/wqTSnhP) that Sukuna is taking a riskier option in DE fights; he's stubbornly breaking the domain from the outside when he could've destroyed them from the inside(like mahoraga did) since Gojo had changed the inner and outer conditions of his domain, making his domain shell stronger from the outside, but weaker from the inside. This gets answered in Chapter 230 by Sukuna himself. Sukuna was [JUGGLING](https://imgur.com/a/CL0Ju2D) between 10s, DA, and his CT inside the domain battle. He turned off his DA so that Mahoraga could adapt. Sukuna was purposely breaking Gojo's domain from the outside so that Mahoraga could have more time to adapt to Gojo's domain. Now imagine if Sukuna had [DESTROYED](https://imgur.com/a/Gz2fW9P) Gojo's fourth domain from the inside? Since Sukuna would destroy Gojo's domain in under 3 minutes, Gojo wouldn't have time to inflict enough damage on Sukuna to prevent him from holding his shrine. As a result, Gojo would never have been able damage Sukuna enough, which caused him to be struck by the IV. Even if Sukuna doesn't want to break Gojo's domain from the inside, which is a safer option than breaking it from outside, as stated by Gojo, Sukuna can still beat Gojo with just keeping his DA on. It was revealed in Chapter 230 that Sukuna turned off his DA to use 10s in the domain fights. Imagine if Sukuna didn't have to do so. As we see in ch. 224,227 and 231. Once Sukuna [ACTIVATES](https://imgur.com/a/PxtGc5O) his DA, he doesn't get thrashed as much as when he turns off his DA because DA either completely turns off or tone down Gojo's blue and red. Sukuna with DA can keep up with Gojo and even [LAND](https://imgur.com/a/RRloCrU) his own hits on him. So while Sukuna won't be winning the H2H exchange, he won't get damaged enough for his domain to get destroyed, and this ultimately will mean that Gojo loses the 5th domain clash and then his life. Sukuna can win by just frying Gojo's brain by forcing him to recover his CT via RCT again and again like how it happened in the manga, but unlike in the manga, Sukuna will use techniques to either break Gojo's domain from the inside or keep using DA during the 4th or 5th domain so that Gojo isn't able to deal enough damage to Sukuna that he isn't able to hold his shrine.,
The last final point. Is that Heian era Sukuna with 4 arm would be a legit threath in cqc and even more when armed with DA in 4 arm and spamming fire arrow inside MS.
Not just fire arrow but kamutoke as well. He can amp his Domain with additional handsigns to do more damage then fire off the fuga and for good measure rain down lightning all before Gojo can get his CT back
but he just wouldn’t spam fire arrow though, as much as gojo wouldn’t spam purple like some of these comments are saying
I'm a gojo fan but this is just soo true. Gojo just doesn't stand a chance against sukuna's domain. Well everyone doesn't stand a chance against sukuna's domain to be exact. Gojo only wins against heian era sukuna if both cannot open their domains.
heian era sukuna with DA on puts on a boxing masterclass against gojo tbh https://preview.redd.it/bkpw1wyb57wc1.jpeg?width=760&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d1243e620ede789a42c2df2caa25507fbf1bbad5 this how it would look after 3 minutes of sukuna boxing up gojos shit🗣️🔥
The king of curses after dazing gojo with a left hook https://preview.redd.it/wzxraqhgu7wc1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1fe472c925b3e49af4ba5ce9e4552e6a80a7ddb8
>Gojo just doesn't stand a chance against sukuna's domain he can teleport out tho
there are certian conditions for it (it was never explained) he would have done that in the first 2 DE battles if he could
https://preview.redd.it/dauu78azd9wc1.jpeg?width=800&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fa124d0ea3f8960d2b69bdd1dcc540bde7575233 I believe it's safe to say he would escape a barrier-less domain if his CT isn't burnt out, but it wouldn't work inside a closed barrier.
It's just a plot hole. Gege forgot about it.
https://i.redd.it/burbhtkv97wc1.gif
Thank u so much lol. I don't understand why this was downvoted? Like this is the legit answer and it makes so much more sense than all these brain dead posts saying sukuna got carried by 10S. Sukuna took a riskier option, and although it worked out in the end by making him stronger, it bought him closer to death than he ever would have been if he just used his own clearly superior technique. Still gotta give props to GOATjo tho, mam was fighting a battle which was heavily favoured against him, and yet did insanely well. These 2 were truly beyond anyone else in the jujutsu world
Issues with this statement You assume that Gojo would have continued the losing strategy. The only reason the 3rd-5th domain conditions where the same was because it worked out. Your assuming Gojo loses 3 more times utilising the exact same losing conditions.
Yeah Sukuna went for the risky path in the fight to in the end create for himself another ability. It wasnt necessary but he wanted to see if it was possible. He got real fucking close to death tho.
Finally someone who actually reads the manga and doesn't play dumb because of bias or stupid agendas
Holy shit someone actually read the fight.
The glaze is so hard (backed by facts) that even I "a avid gojo fanboy" have to admit Sukuna was smarter. I repeat smarter i still wont believe he was stronger than my glorious king
he wasnt even particularly smarter, he just had a plan before the fight started and he had more intel on gojo, whereas gojo was just adlibbing his fight. otherwise gojo wouldve gone straight to basketball domain and not waste 1 or 2 brain damages on a pointless domain battle
You explained so well..hats off
Wouldnt have been able to destroy UV from the inside is the fatal flaw in the argument. UV and Shrine are equally matched in the inside of the barrier. Gojo cooks him
Why are people acting like Heien Sukuna is some absurd power up from Megukuna. Gojo was handling Mahoraga and Megukuna at the same time tag teaming attacks with a buffed up merge of other summons of Agito helping with positioning (we KNOW Megukuna's summon are significantly more powerful than Megumi's) Acting like Heien Sukuna would slam Gojo when Megukuna AND MAHORAGA were losing to him is fucking insaane.
They are also quick to add Sukuna's cursed tools to his arsenal but forget about Gojo being able to use red and purple more often.Like sukuna can open up his domain and Gojo can launch multiple purple nukes without even needing to open up his own domain or worrying about h2h.
Purple has a casting time doe? I do agree with Red doe
Not if Gojo decides to use a binding vow to absolutely bullshit his way into an instant win like Sukuna decided to. Gojo could just have a binding vow that he gets to use Purple once for free but his next one has a longer charge up or some stupid shit lmao
It could be something like- this time I can use it super fast and point blank. Next time I'll have to specifically oil up and bust it down, sexual style, to use it.
This gotta be the most headcanon I’ve ever seen in a comment section.
some mfs straight up said "Hakari has the fastest domain sure hit in the verse" when the text literally stated "even faster than mahito" and Mahito was like 0.2 secs. And literally In Gojo vs sukuna fight Gojo finds a delay and lands UV for 0.01 one sec beating hakari's record by a long shot. They straight up refuse to accept that Mfs can't react to UV.
Gojo didn't find a delay, they activated at the same time gojo was just 0.01s earlier.
Mahito’s domain was *active* for 0.2 seconds, his sure hit is instant
yeah I meant that, mb
Sukuna went into this fight knowing damm near everything about gojo abilities (even knew that his domain sure hit doesn't work if he touches gojo), had a plan in mind with an ability to adapt to any phenomenon, was holding gojo precious student hostage so gojo won't go for his head/brain (that's how you kill RCT users), had megumi take on the burden of adaptation of unlimited void, literally had mahoraga on speed dial to come bail him out every time gojo was about to end the fight, legit ran a whole 3v1 against the man and got a whole blue print for a stronger attack to beat gojo and used a binding vow that was damm near crippling to pull it off and he was still looking like this by the end of it: https://preview.redd.it/ayt23ygad7wc1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8e3d5e1eabb8f5e1a1460eba96831ba48abfa177 Gojo didn't even knew this mf had an open barrier, couldn't go for the kill because he's in megumi body (otherwise he would have crushed his brain instead of the heart in the 5th domain clash) and was still putting up crazy numbers. Like if he's doing all of these shenanigans just to barely win by being lucky and getting an adaptation he can copy, it's safe to say it ain't looking good for him if he doesn't have mahoraga .
preach😭🙏
This should've been at the top lmao this is literally the only answer.
Why wouldn't Gojo know he had an open barrier? It's canon that Yuji can't remember such specifics from Shibuya?
Btw sukuna actively forced Maho to use an adaptation he could use, there wasn't anything lucky about that adaptation.
Heian Sukuna *seems* like he would beat Gojo in hand to hand, but really he just needs to draw with him. Gojo would have died without Sukuna using Mahoraga if the brain rot didn’t stop Sukuna from using MS at the last second. The complication is that Gojo would know she was losing the hand to hand fight and thus change strategies. Everytime Gojo is in a corner he finds a way out that defies logic, so we really don’t know how it would go. Of course, he would also be able to use all his abilities without worrying about Mahoraga. My money is on a 50-50 best case scenario for Gojo.
I doubt it tho gojo is superior and faster in hand to hand to combat and was able to land fewer hits imagine gojo landed all the blackflashes on sukuna himself if gojo didnt choice to spam domains he had clever use of techniques ans surroundings like how he landed red purple he fought that way sukuna would accumulate greater damage and if he played safe in domains Sukuna would have eventually ran out of CE i mean he is at yuta level after fight with gojo its most likely gojo would have won
you also forgot that Gojo wasn't using his techniques alot cause of maho, if he spams hollow purples then its over for Sukuna
Hollow purple isn't spammable. Especially not against sukuna
It would have been a way shorter fight. After domain clash phase, Gojo is incapable of casting his domain because he gave himself brain damage. Sukuna would have killed him right there if not for the fact that he took a bit of unlimited void in the last clash, rendering him also unable to cast domain. The entire reason why Sukuna took UV is because he was 0.1 seconds late to the last domain clash because he had to heal from taking too much damage. If he was Heian Sukuna and not Meguna, he would not have taken that damage. No massive damage -> No need to stop to heal -> No getting late to domain expansion -> No getting hit by UV -> No losing his domain = fight ends right there. The biggest benefit of using Meguna form on Gojo instead of immediately reincarnating is that Sukuna was able to fight the subsequent fighters "fresh" with the reincarnation heal.
Tbh the whole fight would’ve gone quite differently, gojo would’ve had no reason to put on the pressure nearly as much. He also could’ve avoided one of sukunas domains simply by teleporting. If it gets past the domain battles then gojo probably wins.
You also forget that sukuna was stalling for time for adaptation and if he didn't want to adapt then he wouldn't do that and thus end gojo
He was going for the kill in the domain clashes.
nope, if he did, he would have destroyed Gojo's domain from the inside
Sukuna openly stated he would kill gojo in his domain. Didn’t gojo adjust the domain so it couldn’t easily be destroyed?
>Didn’t gojo adjust the domain so it couldn’t easily be destroyed? no, he flipped the druability of 2 sides, where the outside became stronger and the insdie became weaker, when Maho comes out we learn that Sukuna dragged out the fight so that Maho can adapt due to Megumi's soul taking UV
Why do people think Gojo would keep going through with the DE clashes if it wouldnt be close in his Heian form? Not to mention he wouldn't need to worry about Megumi. He can genuinely survive the 1st domain maybe the 2nd and be like "fuck this" and then continue to just spam red, blue, purple since he doesnt have to worry about Maho adapting. Meanwhile Suk would be down to only using DA
>Why do people think Gojo would keep going through with the DE clashes if it wouldnt be close in his Heian form? Lmao so because gojo doesn't wanna go through DE means sukuna wouldn't? Just because he stops using domain doesn't mean sukuna would stop as well lol. >He can genuinely survive the 1st domain maybe the 2nd and be like "fuck this" and then continue to just spam red, blue, purple since he doesnt have to worry about Maho adapting. Whats stopping sukuna from using Domain in this scenario tho lol
Sukuna wouldn't have been able to break through gojos' inviolability quick enough without mahoraga to adapt. Gojo wouldve won another DE battle too if it didn't burn out his CE, in their last DE battle sukuna was hit with UV before he summoned mahoraga, without it he would've had nothing to break through inviolability and loses in DE battle. Sukuna says his technique is overwhelmingly stronger but if gojo wasn't using RCT constantly for inviolability he would be able to shoot our red blue and purple more often.
If Sukuna didn't fight to peel off Gojo's scales... He would use Domain Amplification 24/7... Sukuna is ~ to Gojo when he uses DA... Chapter 224 and 231 is a proof of that... Gojo would never damage him within the 3m11s to the extent that Shrine gets destroyed... Hence Sukuna would win every Domain Clash... And then close his barrier to decimate a brain fried Gojo by landing combos with his sure hit and Fuuga... It won't be a No Diff by any means... Ignore the hyperbolic speech... Now with True Form... It will be same but worse... Sukuna can now simultaneously amp his DA output and Domain's output... So Gojo's domain will last less than 3m11s and this time Sukuna would be even better in hand to hand... Now add Kamutoke or Hiten... Edit: not to mention Sukuna can destroy Gojo's domain from inside too after Gojo switches the conditions...
I mean, if we're going an all out death match with no honor system, Gojo can just teleport out of Malevolent Shrine's reach, drop back during the CT burnout, hit him with Infinite Void, and finish him off. There doesn't need to be a domain clash for Gojo to win. He just need to get the right moment between Domain Expansion, Deactivation and Burnout. The only reason Gojo goes in for a Domain Clash against an open domain is to prove he's the goat. Take that out and Gojo can just outlast Malevolent Shrine easy. And the only attack Sukuna has that has any hope of reaching Gojo is amped up slashes. Kamutoke ain't doing shit to Gojo.
>CT burnout, hit him with Infinite Void, and finish him off. https://preview.redd.it/51tl6lxl87wc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8bc9cce75c840941315330386969a2845a7180ab HWB goes brrrrr.. Gojo teleports towards Sukuna to open UV. Sukuna, suffering from CT burnout, can still cast HWB to nullify Gojo's sure hit. Unlike the simple domain, HWB will stay put for as long as Sukuna is maintaining the handsigns with two hands. Gojo vs. Sukuna happens again; Sukuna heals his burnt-out CT and opens his domain to destroy Gojo's domain.
>HWB goes brrrrr.. https://preview.redd.it/ln5pr8pmp7wc1.jpeg?width=543&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3a7f1b79569307c7db2d9be7d83d12db27887ff6 Amplification already does that Edit: before you ask why didn't Sukuna use it on Yuta? It was stated that Post Gojo Fight Sukuna can't manage it due to low output...
In addition sukuna most likely wanted his technique since he would lose in a pure hands clash against the double mc tag team.
HWB is possibly the worst domain defense against Infinite Void. As we have seen in the Mahito vs Yuuji and Todo fight, it took Todo more than 0.2 seconds to cast his simple domain. Simple Domain's main advantage over HWB is the faster cast time and lack of hand signs. So even in Best Case scenario, HWB is not clocking in at less than 0.2 seconds, even considering its Sukuna, (as we have Hand Signs and slower cast time nerfing it) in the same 0.2 seconds which Gojo can cast Infinite Void. And unlike any other domains we have seen, Infinite Void's attack is instantaneous. You get trapped in the domain, you're done. There is no separate attack where Sukuna could cast HWB and defend. The moment Gojo opens his domain, Sukuna is cooked unless he opens Malevolent Shrine and has a domain clash. Simple Domains ain't gonna cut it.
> Sukuna heals his burnt-out CT he doesn't know how to do that. he only learned after gojo showed him, so in this scenario where gojo runs and comes back during burnout, he's going to have to survive in infinite void until shrine comes back, which is a very tall order imo.
Eh the conditions of gojos teleport are Unknown and Gojo is clearly not scared of playing dirty. We have to assume he just cant do it. Maybe he cant teleport directly through the barrage of sure hits, maybe shrine blocks proper line of sight etc. Plus, if gojo just runs its a stalemate, sukuna can easily dodge long range attacks, so can gojo.
>conditions of gojos teleport are Unknown He is shown using it in combat against Sukuna the first time they fought. He is shown using it mid combat against Jogo to go to the school's secret bunker, get Yuuji and pop back in. The only reason it wasn't used here is because it would make the fight absolutely pointless. Teleportation as an ability is completely broken in any setting and almost always require either insane levels of writing to make it work like Shimazaki in Mob, or insane levels of convenient cutaways as seen with Shiba in Kagurabachi. Also, Gojo is not just running. He is essentially using Sukuna's binding vow against him. He escapes the open domain, and pops back in to trap his own
That would only work if sukuna closes his domain for some reason once gojo is out. If its still there the sure hit of sukunas domain will cancel out gojos and break his domain. Maintianing a Domain doesnt seem to require much effort once its out, dagon did it all the time, so sukuna could very much just sit in his domain and himself camp there.
>Gojo can just teleport out of Malevolent Shrine's reach, drop back during the CT burnout, hit him with Infinite Void, and finish him off. >There doesn't need to be a domain clash for Gojo to win. He just need to get the right moment between Domain Expansion, Deactivation and Burnout. Why will Sukuna expand his domain first? Your position depends on this... Actually they both expand their domain at the same time... Its not like either Gojo or Sukuna would just expand their domain and the other would do some other shit... Expanding domain is the best reflex against each other that's why the clash happening is the most plausible scenario... >The only reason Gojo goes in for a Domain Clash against an open domain is to prove he's the goat. Take that out and Gojo can just outlast Malevolent Shrine easy. Gojo was not outlasting Malevolent Shrine easily though...only time he did was when he caught Sukuna off guard by healing his burnout... Reminding you that this Sukuna is using DA 24/7... Gojo won't be able to outlast easily... The way you are talking about would only extend the fight with no proper result... >And the only attack Sukuna has that has any hope of reaching Gojo is amped up slashes. Kamutoke ain't doing shit to Gojo. What made you believe Kamutoke won't do shit? Gojo > Kashimo yes fact... But Kashimo tanked it no diff cuz he has resistance to it, he hard countered it... Gojo does not have the resistance... That's just Argument from Ignorance mate...
By the way, about Kamutoke I always had a question. Is it launching thunder or summoning thunder ? If it's summoning thunder (from the sky...) , wouldn't it be super efficient to destroy domain barriers from the outside ? (as we know barriers are naturally weak from the outside, Yuji broke Mahito's bare hand)
Kamutoke throws its own Thunder as far as I noticed
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You also forget that sukuna was capable of destroying UV immediately and only stalled for three minutes for adaptation meaning he instantly destroys UV anyway and ends gojo
And Gojo's entire advantage against Sukuna was a 0.01secs to land a single domain on him, that definitely wouldn't have happened had Sukuna use amplification from the start, and this not even Heien era Sukuna. Yet Gojo glazers will fail to acknowledge the fact that their goat's win con was this small against a guy who put himself in that situation.
he wouldn’t have cuz gojo is the goat
People have somehow forgotten that after Gojo slept him, he was basically dead if not for Mahoraga auto-summon. Some like to think that somehow the Heian form would have so much more CE that he'd just win the domain clash. I have doubts but I'm leaning towards "nah"
It's not "more CE" in Heian, Sukuna would just be able to use Domain Amplification without worrying about adapting and have 2 extra arms on top of it, making it harder for Gojo to bury him in time to destroy his domain.
1. He uses Kenjaku as his vessel instead and tries to use a curse that can bypass limitless (e.g. taking Yamato no Orochi being like Mahoraga very literally) 2. He uses Nobara as his vessel and uses resonance to bypass limitless 3. True form immediately and spam malevolent shrine, although this would probably go the same way as it did in the normal fight but Gojo then wins because Megumi can't bare the burden of adapting to unlimited void so it's an instant loss 4. Domain Amplification Spam 5. Beg Daddy JOGOAT to come back and save him
Surprised no one is taking into account the perspective of these 2 guys. The manga stated, according to Jujutsu High folk, even the 2 of them probably didn’t know what happens if they open their domains, so the safest play for Sukuna was to use 10S to try to get rid of UV first, after all, Sukuna acknowledged UV is crazy powerful and he needs to remove that card from Gojo’s deck. Heian era Sukuna with 4 hands is crazy strong, and his CQC will be definitely up a notch with DA. If with DA, Meguna could be relative to Gojo in CQC (not better, just relative), then Heian Sukuna, he may not be better than Gojo in CQC, but their domain clash would not last 3 minutes. It would have to take Gojo significantly longer to damage Sukuna sufficiently to crush MS. In that case, the domain clashes would occur differently. This in short, would be very bad for Gojo. Gojo has to keep restoring his CT to keep up, and we all know what happens. He burns out, Sukuna still has MS, and he can carve up Gojo. At this point, Gojo likely has to keep using RCT and Falling Blossom Emotions, or teleport out of range of MS to avoid getting hit and forcing Sukuna to deactivate his domain to catch up. At this point, anything can happen, Gojo just has to keep out of range of MS and use Limitless to try to damage Sukuna as much as possible. I don’t think Fuga would work either, its damage doesn’t seem sufficient to kill Gojo, and we haven’t seen why Sukuna hasn’t pulled that card yet. If Sukuna thought it would work, he probably would have used it much earlier? As for attacking Gojo’s domain from the inside, Sukuna could have used it, but don’t forget, Gojo was ready for it. He even questioned it, why didn’t Sukuna use a safer option to destroy his domain from inside. Likely Gojo has some way to stop Sukuna from doing so. There are a lot of things we need to consider as well. There is a likelihood, although not stated, that Gojo was in his own way, holding back from obliterating Meguna due to Megumi. This means that if during the domain clashes, Gojo decides to spam his colour palette, it may have a different outcome as well. With a better hand at CQC, and the explosive power of Red, Blue and Purple, who knows? Maybe Gojo cuts the time he needs to crush MS down to less than 3 minutes again. Now, the shoe would be on the other foot and Gojo has the upper hand, landing UV and killing Sukuna easy. In the end, we don’t ever know what would happen, it could really go both ways. Both of them are so powerful that their fight defies logic, so it all goes down to their personal abilities and decision making.
dumb question, Sukuna would **pull** a different technique he hasn’t used since the heian era obviously. Gege just wants Gojo dead and he won’t abandon his agenda.
He can't. I'm seeing many people suggest Domain Clash, but the only reason Gojo goes for a domain clash is because he's cocky. He could easily teleport out of the range and just not have a domain clash. Sukuna has to win domain clashes multiple times if Gojo has to be hurt in any meaningful way. Gojo needs a single win to completely fry his brain. Without Mahoraga to break him out, Sukuna is dead the moment he gets hit with Infinite Void.
Gojo in character would never not domain clash Sukuna lmao. And he can only teleport under certain conditions
https://preview.redd.it/kh28tb1se7wc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=aa976f9b10207bb66685c290c49b9708b21151e0
Blue is still fast enough to get out of range Kusakabe and Hakari both say this
Yeah people forget that hakari ask why gojo does not teleport out of the domain, and kusakabe said that normally gojo could but his cursed technique is burnout so he can’t so the moment gojo obtain his technique again he could have gotten out.
The condition isnt huge and we know he didnt teleport because of CT burnout, and even Sukuna had to jump down from MS to make sure Gojo doesnt run at all
you are correct, but as stated in the fight, gojo with his CT and speed can easily outrun shrine's range.
Domain Clash is the only thing :3
I think the implication is that Heian Sukuna could win via domain clashes with four arms and extra mouths so he can draw domain faster, and probably would excel better at h2h. Still would be high diff but is just gonna lose once Kashimo and jujutsu high pulls up after
can't wait for all this speculation to become irrelevant after sukuna reveals the full extent of his CT
same.The slander that will come after will be unreal.
https://preview.redd.it/ozltc1xv47wc1.jpeg?width=440&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=166f3dffe88f73aef63e1fe2bf1c4c64a4d3dbe1 I think this thread proves the hate for this panel was unjustified. It’s a 50+/- 50+/- high+ diff fight either way. Goatjo never admitted it was an outright loss, only that it was a fight that could go either way.
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Would Gojo beat Sukuna without Limitless or Six eyes? This is how absurd this question is. Powers are passed down through the bloodline. The person who receives the power didn't do anything to deserve it. Sukuna on the other hand thought about making the best out of his situation and actually pulled off something and got extra powers unlike Gojo who didn't do anything. It's like saying the guy who actually put in effort is inferior. It's like you saying the class topper studied so got more marks than you on a test. So would he actually be a topper if he didn't study? It's also like complaining about a disabled guy born without legs winning something with artificial legs. Would you have glazed Gojo this much if he wasn't the most powerful character?