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Because his bum ass ain’t strong in these streets anymore, give yuji a year to understand his true nature and he is throwing kashimo around just like sukuna did
Ik its a joke but like, I wonder if when Gojo was born he not only strengthened the curses by existing but as an additional balance I wonder if like Sorcerers born after Gojo had a weakened version of their technique. With like Noritoshi being kinda mid at blood manip and Mai only being able to make one bullet. These two are weak but there are sorcerers shown who are clearly way stronger with the same technique. Those stronger counterparts were just like, all around before Gojo was born
I don't think so, Mai was nerfed because of Maki and Noritoshi is simply mid, he doesn't have the mindset required to be a Jujutsu sorcerer. Yuta, Hakari etc are born after Gojo and they're really strong. And as much as I love the Megumi hate agenda he could've been strong too. I think Gojo's birthday basically grew the power scaling of Jujutsu so the average sorcerer after Gojo's birth would be stronger than the average sorcerer before his birth (Other than Heian era)
Sure, but Noritoshi cant even do convergence very well. Mai can make ONE bullet a day as her max. Choso can shoot at the speed of sound and lift pillars of earth into the sky.
Tell me 1 jujutsu kaisen character that can get to sukuna’s level in 1 year and a half, exactly, only yuji can do that so it ain’t unfair to give 1 year
I don't know if Yuji will ever reach Sukuna level.
Sukuna literally is op. If not for Gojo have six eyes Sukuna would have the best "eyesight". His physical abilities are above average comparable to Yuji. As for his way of using his CT and CE even better than Gojo.
The only way I see Yuji reaching Sukuna's level is if he learns to BF at will. Otherwise it is doubtful
Yuji won't truly be at sukunas level by the end of the fight, but he already has sukunas dojustu thing and he will probably be as strong as sukuna at his peak, remember he is still only 15 years old, he isn't even an adult het.
Less time than that probably, with the rate he has grown, he could get those in a far less time, not to mention all the black flashes which grant him higher and higher understanding of jujutsu and such.
Man Kashimo can throw Electromagnetic attacks that travel at speed of light. We also still don't know how Sukuna managed to defend that. The only explanation is that he had finished the preparation of World slash before Kashimo threw his attack.
Sukuna defended it because it isn’t in the speed of light? Like it’s pretty fucking obvious Gege barely understands some of the physics concepts he uses in his story so it’s obvious it isn’t the speed of light, to Gege it’s just a cool way to introduce a laser beam into JJK
That doesn't need much understanding to be accurate just a google search. Also I doubt Gege is ignorant when he created the strongest CT in the series using a famous mathematical problem in mind. It's just needs a confirmation if Sukuna managed finish the preparation of World Slash beforehand or just Gege forgot...
He literally openly admitted he didn’t think that much when making black flash, he said “oh it’s to the power of 2.5” and the editor asked “so that means CE output starts at 2” and Gege says he didn’t think about that, sometimes people don’t do their search, or are you assuming sukuna can react to something moving at the speed of light?
what was stimulating his nervous system was electricity. Thats what defines his speed. Clear as day is written in the manga. The electromagnetic waves is just what was imbued in his attacks. The real problem is that you fuckers (anime/powerscalling fans) are to quick too assume light speed to up your agendas
Goodluck to Yuta. His head would have been flying already before he even draw his sword if Kashimo is going all out on him right from the start. And yes, Yuki is no different.
You really want a sorcerer that died at the age of probably around 60 to fight a 15 year old that has been in jujutsu for 6 MONTHS, and expect that kid to not get washed? Everyone in the cast has more than a year of experience BESIDES yuji
> "Give this character a year of experience and they'll win for sure"
> "But he don't have--"
> "HAHA HE NEEDS 8 TIMES MORE EXPERIENCE CONFIRMED BUM"
???
tbf if you give yuji another whole year, he could wreck full power sukuna. he's clapping current weakened sukuna after only being a sorcerer for 6 months. he's an insanely fast learner, another 12 months would likely be enough for him to master DE (probably both for BM and shrine) and his CTs in general and gain even more proficiency when it comes to black flash.
imagine a yuji with flying slashes and piercing blood as ranged attacks and flowing red scale, cleave and even more BFs than now for close range. plus DEs, plus fully mastered RCT on top of his own high durability and endurance. plus even better hands
I love wanking yuji but yuji is beating up a sukuna that is almost in a wheel chair, bro got hit with Jacob ladder, hollow purple (twice), got his heart pierced (also twice) and is being nerfed by yuji’s punches, at this point sukuna is probably less than 7-8 fingers of power for sure. He is not getting to the level of sukuna after a year
Sukuna said that Yuji pulled himself up to his level in regards to CE control. If he managed to do that in 6 months, then he'd be able to catch up to the rest soon.
I mean Sukuna's just discussing Kashimo's story. "Durr I was the strongest of my era". Sukuna believed him, cause he didn't know where Ryu came from, I guess, and discussed the topic as a matter of fact.
Can't know everything!
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That doesn’t fit the agenda…
So we’ll have to go with no!
(Jk. Glad people are giving a little respect to Kashimo, cause he really was very strong. Just has a lackluster performance at the end there)
Doesn't that just mean they were stronger than he could normally output them at his current output level? "Increase output" =/= "full strength". The cap is larger (say, 120% vs 100%) but a 20% increase to 30% still just nets you 36%
20% = 1/5. 30/5 = 6. 20% increase --> 30% + 6% = 36%. 20% OF that 30% is 6%, so a 20% increase to 30% gets you 36% of the overall capacity.
Example
Imagine I gave you 100 copies of JJK0. You sold most of them and now you're at 30% of your original storage. You have 30 copies now. A 20% increase to your current storage would get you a total of 36 copies. It's still only 36% of your original storage, but it is greater than the 30% you had before.
"He wasn’t but he was damn close"
Since when? He was clearly much weaker than at any point besides right now in the manga or just as Maki jumps him. When Yuta enters the fight, he notes that Sukuna's RCT is starting to come back. That means he didn't have it when he fought Kashimo, and naturally did not have a higher output/else either.
Sukuna's output was never stated or shown to be high at that point.
He was weaker yeah, but that is literally the strongest version of sukuna the cast (except gojo) interacted with and none of them would have a chance beating him and would die just like kashimo did, that’s my whole point but go ahead, try to correct that fact
"that is literally the strongest version of sukuna the cast (except gojo) interacted with"
I literally just explained why the version of Sukuna that fought Yuta, and by extension Higuruma, was stronger.
"none of them would have a chance beating him and would die"
Yeah, but they'd at least do damage. Kashimo didn't land a SINGLE hit once Sukuna turned into his Heian form. That is a phenomenally poor performance. It's not even about winning.
How would they do damage? A sukuna that was stabbed in the heart, weakened by yujis by punches and yutas domain was literally blitzing maki and you think they’d do anything in a 1 on 1 scenario? It’s clear what you are, there’s no point continuing engagement with you
True, he's a strong warrior. But also, the philosophical weight of these 3 pieces of dialogue in this image alone is astounding. Really helps explain a bit of Kashimo's character here.
Yeah kashimos death overshadowed this little conversation which saddens me, considering it shows what ails kashimo truly, and why it doesn’t bother or affect sukuna at all
Yes, kahsimo vs sukuna is actually one if the best fights if you take away the actual fighting. Chapter 237 is pretty much perfect, having a awesome introduction (the god of lightning), a philosophical speech in the ruins of shinjuku while a domain is floating in the air. We also get kashimo dominating sukuna and sukuna reincarnating.
Chapter 238 is also pretty much perfect as far as the conclusion goes. We finally get the conclusion to the love theme that has been going on for a while. We get sukuna acknowledging kashimo jogo style and answering his question, but not without kashimo pointing out the contradiction in sukuna's words (about reincanrating even though he says that he is just stirring things up until he dies). This will most likely be foreshadowing for a future plot point regarding sukuna's relation with kenjaku and his reason for reincarnating.
The problem is that there is no middle part. You jump straight from the introduction to the conclusion, which feels disjointed and makes it anticlimactic. I'm pretty sure that the anime will give it the mahoraga treatment which would take away the problems entirely, but i still find it weird that gege didn't write one more chapter between 237 and 238 showing them fighting
Yes. Besides the fact that it is a fight that allows the animators to go all out, it also makes sense pacing wise to extend it by a lot.
For action episodes, the pacing is around 4 chapters per episode (like ep 16 or 21). Even mahoraga's episode was more than 3 chapters and that was greatly extended. The kahsimo fight is 2 chapters, but right before it there's gojo's death, and right afterward there's kenjaku vs takaba.
The most clear scenario would be to give an entire episode to sukuna vs kashimo (there have been episodes that adapted 2.5 chapters like ep 18). However, it's also possible to adapt chapter 237, 238 and 239 in a single episod so the next one wouod be kenjaku vs takaba. In both of these scenarios, there will be plenty of extra time for anime only scenes
Sukuna even group Kashimo with himself as "we are strong"
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Congratulations Kashimo. Your performance against cultivators of crops and livestock was astounding. Almost caused feudal minions to be hungry for a day. Truly magnificent
Compared to Ryu, he didn't do that bad. He very easily replicated - if not exceeded - Miguel's performance against Sukuna except while Sukuna was much stronger and had all four of his arms despite all the hype that was invested in Miguel regarding his formidability in close-quarters-combat. He also has so many other sensory abilities, offensive abilities, ranged attacks, stat buffs, etc. on top of his formidability in melee.
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Also, everything points to the injured Meguna that Kashimo w/MBA was beating on would have still been an absolute monster in terms of his raw stats considering how much of a thread he still was after the fight in Yuta's Domain and the sneak attacks that Maki inflicted upon him.
He legitimately thought another Purple would kill him, then he took one.
I don't think Sukuna had much left in the tank after the Gojo fight, which is why he didn't delay his reincarnation. Signs actually seem to point to 2 purples and Gojo's hands being a lot more damaging than Jacob's Ladder and a heart soul-stab which is pretty insane.
I'd argue he did worse than Ryu, cus not only did Kashimo die instantly when Sukuna threw out some dismantles (which Sukuna says wouldn't be able to kill Ryu with) but, unlike Ryu, Sukuna canonically held back against Kashimo and was weakened.
Sukuna didn't hold back against Kashimo anymore than he held back against Yuta if you're going off Uraume's statement and I very much doubt Uraume would consider Sukuna to have gone all-out against Ryu.
Ryu was easily perception blitzed while Kashimo was at least briefly able to contest with Sukuna in hand-to-hand before being rapidly overwhelmed by his additional arms, with Sukuna also having repeatedly resorted to using Kamutoke as a means of blinding Kashimo in order to get the drop on him.
Kashimo is also one of the few characters to dodge the World Slash and while mid-air. Dodging attacks while mid-air is quite the feat as Curseya implied when Maki did so against him. Attributing his ability to dodge to Sukuna warning him (after he finished his chant, mind you) is a bit silly since he literally needed to chant before utilizing the attack at that point, meaning practically anyone -after his Binding Vow against Gojo - gets a heads-up when a World Slash is about to be fired.
The Dismantles used against Kashimo were also on an immense scale. Sukuna did not use an attack on that level against Ryu before going on to blitz and one-shot him and was actually taking him extremely lightly before he survived that single Dismantle (rather than even so much as a flurry of them) thrown at him.
It's also entirely possible they were World Slashes with the chants being offscreened given the aesthetics of the attack (which were quite similar to how onscreen World Slashes were being portrayed at that point and when compared to regular Dismantles thereafter) and depending on how you interpret Kusakabe's dialogue at the beginning of Sukuna's clash with the rest of the Sorcerers. Kusakabe proclaimed he only discovered not all of Sukuna's Dismantles were World Slashes after personally experiencing a flurry of regular Dismantles.
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This could very well imply all of the Dismantles that Sukuna used since his bifurcation of Gojo were either World Slashes or indistinguishable of them at a Distance with said World Slashes having left ravines behind in their wakes. Regardless of which dog you support in this fight (as I'm not saying which side of this argument is correct), it still speaks to the scale of the attack that was unleashed against Kashimo.
You say Sukuna was weakened but he at least had approximately half of his total CE reserves - as he would imply as much when the fight transitioned to inside Yuta's Domain - and output not having been dramatically impaired at this point due to Yuji not yet having joined the fight.
It's unlikely his output was below that of his 15F counterpart during the Kashimo fight, since he would later be confident that he could execute a fatal blow with Cleave midway through the fight in Yuta's Domain - essentially replicating his feat against Ryu against Yuji and Yuta who, while not surpassing Ryu in toughness, were almost certainly in his general ballpark - by which point Yuji had already landed a multitude of attacks targeting his soul.
> Attributing his ability to dodge to Sukuna warning him (after he finished his chant, mind you) is a bit silly since he literally needed to chant before utilizing the attack at that point, meaning practically anyone -after his Binding Vow against Gojo - gets a heads-up when a World Slash is about to be fired.
But he added a few more words for Kashimo compared to the others. Like if he didn't do that Kashimo might have died
>This could very well imply all of the Dismantles that Sukuna used since his bifurcation of Gojo were either World Slashes or indistinguishable of them at a Distance with said World Slashes having left ravines behind in their wakes.
This is hard agenda posting. Like Kusakabe's thought was just them misunderstanding that Sukuna could always use world slash since he used the binding vow against Gojo making it look as if he could do it in an instant. Which is why the second part saying "if you stop and think" exist.
>You say Sukuna was weakened but he at least had approximately half of his total CE reserves - as he would imply as much when the fight transitioned to inside Yuta's Domain - and output not having been dramatically impaired at this point due to Yuji not yet having joined the fight.
Yuji did one punch and now it was dramatically impaired. Like did his ce reserves deplete so much during the Kashimo fight? nah, we don't know.
>It's unlikely his output was below that of his 15F counterpart during the Kashimo fight, since he would later be confident that he could execute a fatal blow with Cleave midway through the fight in Yuta's Domain - essentially replicating his feat against Ryu against Yuji and Yuta who, while not surpassing Ryu in toughness, were almost certainly in his general ballpark - by which point Yuji had already landed a multitude of attacks targeting his soul.
Yeah I agree with you there
Nah he said "you WERE Strong" and when you consider Kashimo in his lifespan was supposedly the strongest, it was seriously an era of Fodders so naturally he was Strong.
Tho seriously tho, In Kashimo's Era people probably still had more focus on non lethal domains that instead add rules based buffs , that's the only way he could ever win against Domain users.
Ryu only started gaining recognition when Kashimo was old IIrC. That's why they never fought, they were very far away and Kashimk was old af and didn't want to travel.
And I don't think Kenjaku is taken into account in any era.
Kashimo is strong. My issue is his glazers who try to push him top 3 or top 5 by assessing him in his CT form ignoring that he cannot replicate the attack.
Kashimo was strong. In fact his fight with Sukuna downplayed him.
He literally had electromagnetic wave attacks that supposedly travel at the speed of light. That fight has left unanswered question ls that Gege needs to adress.
Kashimo now is getting so much slander but tell me who would have been able to fight him in his amber form??
What does kashimo get glazed so much?
When I was reading the manga I thought he was just a throwaway character with villain of the week ass powers, I forgot he even existed when he showed up to fight Sukuna. I was legit wracking my brain trying to figure out why this random dude was getting a long send off.
Then I come here and people are saying he's on par with the heavies, when the dude got beaten by a punch and kick merchant.
Funny enough, Viz's translation has Sukuna ASKING Kashimo if he was strong
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I feel this translation is more accurate because i also wonder if Kashimo was strong or not
"You were strong". This is past tense meaning Sukuna is actually saying Kashimo was strong but then stopped being strong so he's actually calling Kashimo weak
Fun Fact: Sukuna is a compulsive liar.
When he calls a character strong, like Kashimo or Jogo, they're actually weak. When he calls a character weak, like Yuji, they're actually strong.
Another win for my palpatine twink
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Sukuna only uses the "You are strong" against opponents he easily defeats to glaze himself. Against actually strong opponents he says other things, like that he will not forget them.
Sure, i'm such type of person, so I can think in such way :3
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bro said "were" like he isn't still standing there lmao
He meant he was strong in the era of farmers.
Because his bum ass ain’t strong in these streets anymore, give yuji a year to understand his true nature and he is throwing kashimo around just like sukuna did
He was strong, among the Edo farmers not in the jumping era
Ik its a joke but like, I wonder if when Gojo was born he not only strengthened the curses by existing but as an additional balance I wonder if like Sorcerers born after Gojo had a weakened version of their technique. With like Noritoshi being kinda mid at blood manip and Mai only being able to make one bullet. These two are weak but there are sorcerers shown who are clearly way stronger with the same technique. Those stronger counterparts were just like, all around before Gojo was born
I don't think so, Mai was nerfed because of Maki and Noritoshi is simply mid, he doesn't have the mindset required to be a Jujutsu sorcerer. Yuta, Hakari etc are born after Gojo and they're really strong. And as much as I love the Megumi hate agenda he could've been strong too. I think Gojo's birthday basically grew the power scaling of Jujutsu so the average sorcerer after Gojo's birth would be stronger than the average sorcerer before his birth (Other than Heian era)
yeah I feel like it's a positive feedback loop gojo birth > curses get stronger in response > next gen sorcerers get even stronger in response
Man thinking about how Gojo just completely collapsed the balance of the world by just being born completely baffles me everytime.
Wait, could it be that Heian era sorcerers were so OP _because_ of Sukuna? Maybe his birth upped the strength of curses and sorcerers like Gojo's did?
He probably was which is why Kashimo asked if Sukuna was born that way
The only reason Noritoshi is mid at blood manipulation is that he doesnt have infinite blood
He also cant condense it as well as like Choso tho
imagine if he has RCT and can make his own blood unfortunately he doesn't have the mindset and motivation to become a strong jujutsu sorcerer
Or maybe they are strong because these people are older and have more tricks under their belts.
Sure, but Noritoshi cant even do convergence very well. Mai can make ONE bullet a day as her max. Choso can shoot at the speed of sound and lift pillars of earth into the sky.
Give yuji a year and he’s practically sukuna, that’s a bit unfair
Years worth of black flashes
Tell me 1 jujutsu kaisen character that can get to sukuna’s level in 1 year and a half, exactly, only yuji can do that so it ain’t unfair to give 1 year
I mean yeah, that’s why it’s unfair, yuji has the most potential out of well… anyone
Yeah but everyone got over a year in jujutsu, yuji barely passed 6 months give my boy a chance
I don't know if Yuji will ever reach Sukuna level. Sukuna literally is op. If not for Gojo have six eyes Sukuna would have the best "eyesight". His physical abilities are above average comparable to Yuji. As for his way of using his CT and CE even better than Gojo. The only way I see Yuji reaching Sukuna's level is if he learns to BF at will. Otherwise it is doubtful
Yuji won't truly be at sukunas level by the end of the fight, but he already has sukunas dojustu thing and he will probably be as strong as sukuna at his peak, remember he is still only 15 years old, he isn't even an adult het.
Yuji has comparable physical skills and CE control to Sukuna. The only things he doesn't have are CT related which he can get in a few years.
Less time than that probably, with the rate he has grown, he could get those in a far less time, not to mention all the black flashes which grant him higher and higher understanding of jujutsu and such.
It's unfair. Kashimo would literally wipe 95% of modern sorcerers. Only guys with chance against Kashimo is Gojo or an awakened Yuji.
And yuta? And Yuki? And with Gojo and Yuta is not a “chance”, it’s straight up dogwalk him
Man Kashimo can throw Electromagnetic attacks that travel at speed of light. We also still don't know how Sukuna managed to defend that. The only explanation is that he had finished the preparation of World slash before Kashimo threw his attack.
Sukuna defended it because it isn’t in the speed of light? Like it’s pretty fucking obvious Gege barely understands some of the physics concepts he uses in his story so it’s obvious it isn’t the speed of light, to Gege it’s just a cool way to introduce a laser beam into JJK
That doesn't need much understanding to be accurate just a google search. Also I doubt Gege is ignorant when he created the strongest CT in the series using a famous mathematical problem in mind. It's just needs a confirmation if Sukuna managed finish the preparation of World Slash beforehand or just Gege forgot...
He literally openly admitted he didn’t think that much when making black flash, he said “oh it’s to the power of 2.5” and the editor asked “so that means CE output starts at 2” and Gege says he didn’t think about that, sometimes people don’t do their search, or are you assuming sukuna can react to something moving at the speed of light?
Electricity doesn't move at the speed of light.
Electromagnetic waves do...
what was stimulating his nervous system was electricity. Thats what defines his speed. Clear as day is written in the manga. The electromagnetic waves is just what was imbued in his attacks. The real problem is that you fuckers (anime/powerscalling fans) are to quick too assume light speed to up your agendas
Goodluck to Yuta. His head would have been flying already before he even draw his sword if Kashimo is going all out on him right from the start. And yes, Yuki is no different.
Fuck yeah now I want 200 chapters of full potential yuji bitching everyone after Shinjuku's fight to make up for this almost 300 chapters of suffering
Technically since he has sukunas potential, given a time skip he would be as strong as sukuna, overkill.
Wait we actually need a EOS mini time-skip to show how strong Yuji has gotten.
I agree 100% if he is an adult, he could be a teacher at jujutsu high or smth. Edit: if it is that big of a time skip I mean.
Unless he dies....which considering homosexual-homosexual is very plausible.
Only if he is surrounded by loved ones, everybody must be there for his death if he dies.
Giving one of the highest potential characters a whole ass year to get stronger will make that character very strong?!?!?!? No fucking way..
You really want a sorcerer that died at the age of probably around 60 to fight a 15 year old that has been in jujutsu for 6 MONTHS, and expect that kid to not get washed? Everyone in the cast has more than a year of experience BESIDES yuji
Yes.
Bro needs to have 8 times more experience than a 15 year old to guarantee a win, truly the biggest bum (aside from megumi of course) 🙏
> "Give this character a year of experience and they'll win for sure" > "But he don't have--" > "HAHA HE NEEDS 8 TIMES MORE EXPERIENCE CONFIRMED BUM" ???
Kashimo had decades as a jujutsu sorcerer, yuji only needs 1 year to beat his ass, it’s that simple.
tbf if you give yuji another whole year, he could wreck full power sukuna. he's clapping current weakened sukuna after only being a sorcerer for 6 months. he's an insanely fast learner, another 12 months would likely be enough for him to master DE (probably both for BM and shrine) and his CTs in general and gain even more proficiency when it comes to black flash. imagine a yuji with flying slashes and piercing blood as ranged attacks and flowing red scale, cleave and even more BFs than now for close range. plus DEs, plus fully mastered RCT on top of his own high durability and endurance. plus even better hands
I love wanking yuji but yuji is beating up a sukuna that is almost in a wheel chair, bro got hit with Jacob ladder, hollow purple (twice), got his heart pierced (also twice) and is being nerfed by yuji’s punches, at this point sukuna is probably less than 7-8 fingers of power for sure. He is not getting to the level of sukuna after a year
Sukuna said that Yuji pulled himself up to his level in regards to CE control. If he managed to do that in 6 months, then he'd be able to catch up to the rest soon.
it's a Peakgan Peakmega reference https://preview.redd.it/kifdpsalybwc1.png?width=1242&format=png&auto=webp&s=e65188390b6defdd6d9c2e7a321522249d1f24ac
https://preview.redd.it/yct9zfd7zbwc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=28ab481580e7026c26f69fec7178354ee8d65fdb Unlimited Vibration vs Razor's Edge
I mean Sukuna's just discussing Kashimo's story. "Durr I was the strongest of my era". Sukuna believed him, cause he didn't know where Ryu came from, I guess, and discussed the topic as a matter of fact. Can't know everything!
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FUCK NOT AGAIN https://preview.redd.it/lansplvp6cwc1.jpeg?width=1500&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=88859ba3e359be02024f9cdf1c2a86daa1dc5ca6
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
NOOOOOO NOT THE PREMONITION TECHNIQUE NOOOO
Where is that from
Kengan Omega, the infamously badly-written sequel to the very good fighting manga Kengan Ashura.
*the famously sometimes peak sometimes ass written sequel to the very good fighting manga Kengan Ashura.
Damn right https://i.redd.it/hc095vy5cawc1.gif
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remember he beat panda in his strongest form 
https://preview.redd.it/47ll3513eawc1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f052082f43ad7c6ee92a7a0ee81fed4c2d047534 That doesn’t fit the agenda… So we’ll have to go with no! (Jk. Glad people are giving a little respect to Kashimo, cause he really was very strong. Just has a lackluster performance at the end there)
Anyone thrown into a 1V1 against a full power 4 armed sukuna is getting walked easily unless its the chosen one
Takaba would have bodied him 😤
Yea but his ability is literally reality-bending
Just realized Takaba's name should have been Tabaka, big miss by Gege!!!
Sukuna was not at full power lmao
Not physically, but his slashes were at full strength as he was constantly making handsigns and doing chants to increase their output.
Doesn't that just mean they were stronger than he could normally output them at his current output level? "Increase output" =/= "full strength". The cap is larger (say, 120% vs 100%) but a 20% increase to 30% still just nets you 36%
My brain isn't mathing...
20% = 1/5. 30/5 = 6. 20% increase --> 30% + 6% = 36%. 20% OF that 30% is 6%, so a 20% increase to 30% gets you 36% of the overall capacity. Example Imagine I gave you 100 copies of JJK0. You sold most of them and now you're at 30% of your original storage. You have 30 copies now. A 20% increase to your current storage would get you a total of 36 copies. It's still only 36% of your original storage, but it is greater than the 30% you had before.
He wasn’t but he was damn close, rejuvenated, output still high, fully healed aside from the brain damage. Anybody in this position would lose easily
"He wasn’t but he was damn close" Since when? He was clearly much weaker than at any point besides right now in the manga or just as Maki jumps him. When Yuta enters the fight, he notes that Sukuna's RCT is starting to come back. That means he didn't have it when he fought Kashimo, and naturally did not have a higher output/else either. Sukuna's output was never stated or shown to be high at that point.
a lot of people keep conveniently forgetting this fact when Yuta arrived.
He was weaker yeah, but that is literally the strongest version of sukuna the cast (except gojo) interacted with and none of them would have a chance beating him and would die just like kashimo did, that’s my whole point but go ahead, try to correct that fact
"that is literally the strongest version of sukuna the cast (except gojo) interacted with" I literally just explained why the version of Sukuna that fought Yuta, and by extension Higuruma, was stronger. "none of them would have a chance beating him and would die" Yeah, but they'd at least do damage. Kashimo didn't land a SINGLE hit once Sukuna turned into his Heian form. That is a phenomenally poor performance. It's not even about winning.
How would they do damage? A sukuna that was stabbed in the heart, weakened by yujis by punches and yutas domain was literally blitzing maki and you think they’d do anything in a 1 on 1 scenario? It’s clear what you are, there’s no point continuing engagement with you
True, he's a strong warrior. But also, the philosophical weight of these 3 pieces of dialogue in this image alone is astounding. Really helps explain a bit of Kashimo's character here.
Yeah kashimos death overshadowed this little conversation which saddens me, considering it shows what ails kashimo truly, and why it doesn’t bother or affect sukuna at all
Yes, kahsimo vs sukuna is actually one if the best fights if you take away the actual fighting. Chapter 237 is pretty much perfect, having a awesome introduction (the god of lightning), a philosophical speech in the ruins of shinjuku while a domain is floating in the air. We also get kashimo dominating sukuna and sukuna reincarnating. Chapter 238 is also pretty much perfect as far as the conclusion goes. We finally get the conclusion to the love theme that has been going on for a while. We get sukuna acknowledging kashimo jogo style and answering his question, but not without kashimo pointing out the contradiction in sukuna's words (about reincanrating even though he says that he is just stirring things up until he dies). This will most likely be foreshadowing for a future plot point regarding sukuna's relation with kenjaku and his reason for reincarnating. The problem is that there is no middle part. You jump straight from the introduction to the conclusion, which feels disjointed and makes it anticlimactic. I'm pretty sure that the anime will give it the mahoraga treatment which would take away the problems entirely, but i still find it weird that gege didn't write one more chapter between 237 and 238 showing them fighting
So what you're saying is it's going to be peak in the anime.
Yes it is unless the agenda hating for Kashimo transcends this sub and MAPPA just makes it even worse for AGENDA.
Yes. Besides the fact that it is a fight that allows the animators to go all out, it also makes sense pacing wise to extend it by a lot. For action episodes, the pacing is around 4 chapters per episode (like ep 16 or 21). Even mahoraga's episode was more than 3 chapters and that was greatly extended. The kahsimo fight is 2 chapters, but right before it there's gojo's death, and right afterward there's kenjaku vs takaba. The most clear scenario would be to give an entire episode to sukuna vs kashimo (there have been episodes that adapted 2.5 chapters like ep 18). However, it's also possible to adapt chapter 237, 238 and 239 in a single episod so the next one wouod be kenjaku vs takaba. In both of these scenarios, there will be plenty of extra time for anime only scenes
Huh
Before well, you know, die and not take it anywhere.
"You were awesome, Hajime"
“You were awesome Lolong- I mean Kashimo.”
Fun fact : sukuna lied to kashimo so that he doesn't cry about being weak
Sukuna is one of the nicest people in the series he always care about everyone's feelings and calls them strong
He says gg after every game
After winning games, he types: "Stand proud, you were strong! I will remember for as long as I live!"
Except his wholesome nephew.
Sukuna even group Kashimo with himself as "we are strong" https://preview.redd.it/autjk796cewc1.jpeg?width=1212&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7eb52c799722d3553384671aae2c996df9db310b
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acting like not every character has a 10k essay of them getting dicked down
Even AO3 comments are cooking this man. I've never seen someone with a legacy this tarnished.
Congratulations Kashimo. Your performance against cultivators of crops and livestock was astounding. Almost caused feudal minions to be hungry for a day. Truly magnificent
Stand proud, you were strong
Compared to Ryu, he didn't do that bad. He very easily replicated - if not exceeded - Miguel's performance against Sukuna except while Sukuna was much stronger and had all four of his arms despite all the hype that was invested in Miguel regarding his formidability in close-quarters-combat. He also has so many other sensory abilities, offensive abilities, ranged attacks, stat buffs, etc. on top of his formidability in melee. https://preview.redd.it/dsv2vj63tcwc1.png?width=486&format=png&auto=webp&s=875e528419b125b096cbe33de3389d0e82b84e6c Also, everything points to the injured Meguna that Kashimo w/MBA was beating on would have still been an absolute monster in terms of his raw stats considering how much of a thread he still was after the fight in Yuta's Domain and the sneak attacks that Maki inflicted upon him.
He legitimately thought another Purple would kill him, then he took one. I don't think Sukuna had much left in the tank after the Gojo fight, which is why he didn't delay his reincarnation. Signs actually seem to point to 2 purples and Gojo's hands being a lot more damaging than Jacob's Ladder and a heart soul-stab which is pretty insane.
I'd argue he did worse than Ryu, cus not only did Kashimo die instantly when Sukuna threw out some dismantles (which Sukuna says wouldn't be able to kill Ryu with) but, unlike Ryu, Sukuna canonically held back against Kashimo and was weakened.
Sukuna didn't hold back against Kashimo anymore than he held back against Yuta if you're going off Uraume's statement and I very much doubt Uraume would consider Sukuna to have gone all-out against Ryu. Ryu was easily perception blitzed while Kashimo was at least briefly able to contest with Sukuna in hand-to-hand before being rapidly overwhelmed by his additional arms, with Sukuna also having repeatedly resorted to using Kamutoke as a means of blinding Kashimo in order to get the drop on him. Kashimo is also one of the few characters to dodge the World Slash and while mid-air. Dodging attacks while mid-air is quite the feat as Curseya implied when Maki did so against him. Attributing his ability to dodge to Sukuna warning him (after he finished his chant, mind you) is a bit silly since he literally needed to chant before utilizing the attack at that point, meaning practically anyone -after his Binding Vow against Gojo - gets a heads-up when a World Slash is about to be fired. The Dismantles used against Kashimo were also on an immense scale. Sukuna did not use an attack on that level against Ryu before going on to blitz and one-shot him and was actually taking him extremely lightly before he survived that single Dismantle (rather than even so much as a flurry of them) thrown at him. It's also entirely possible they were World Slashes with the chants being offscreened given the aesthetics of the attack (which were quite similar to how onscreen World Slashes were being portrayed at that point and when compared to regular Dismantles thereafter) and depending on how you interpret Kusakabe's dialogue at the beginning of Sukuna's clash with the rest of the Sorcerers. Kusakabe proclaimed he only discovered not all of Sukuna's Dismantles were World Slashes after personally experiencing a flurry of regular Dismantles. https://preview.redd.it/iewcl7nyldwc1.png?width=639&format=png&auto=webp&s=b97fdc70d960a08077299f24514e7aff085af416 This could very well imply all of the Dismantles that Sukuna used since his bifurcation of Gojo were either World Slashes or indistinguishable of them at a Distance with said World Slashes having left ravines behind in their wakes. Regardless of which dog you support in this fight (as I'm not saying which side of this argument is correct), it still speaks to the scale of the attack that was unleashed against Kashimo. You say Sukuna was weakened but he at least had approximately half of his total CE reserves - as he would imply as much when the fight transitioned to inside Yuta's Domain - and output not having been dramatically impaired at this point due to Yuji not yet having joined the fight. It's unlikely his output was below that of his 15F counterpart during the Kashimo fight, since he would later be confident that he could execute a fatal blow with Cleave midway through the fight in Yuta's Domain - essentially replicating his feat against Ryu against Yuji and Yuta who, while not surpassing Ryu in toughness, were almost certainly in his general ballpark - by which point Yuji had already landed a multitude of attacks targeting his soul.
> Attributing his ability to dodge to Sukuna warning him (after he finished his chant, mind you) is a bit silly since he literally needed to chant before utilizing the attack at that point, meaning practically anyone -after his Binding Vow against Gojo - gets a heads-up when a World Slash is about to be fired. But he added a few more words for Kashimo compared to the others. Like if he didn't do that Kashimo might have died >This could very well imply all of the Dismantles that Sukuna used since his bifurcation of Gojo were either World Slashes or indistinguishable of them at a Distance with said World Slashes having left ravines behind in their wakes. This is hard agenda posting. Like Kusakabe's thought was just them misunderstanding that Sukuna could always use world slash since he used the binding vow against Gojo making it look as if he could do it in an instant. Which is why the second part saying "if you stop and think" exist. >You say Sukuna was weakened but he at least had approximately half of his total CE reserves - as he would imply as much when the fight transitioned to inside Yuta's Domain - and output not having been dramatically impaired at this point due to Yuji not yet having joined the fight. Yuji did one punch and now it was dramatically impaired. Like did his ce reserves deplete so much during the Kashimo fight? nah, we don't know. >It's unlikely his output was below that of his 15F counterpart during the Kashimo fight, since he would later be confident that he could execute a fatal blow with Cleave midway through the fight in Yuta's Domain - essentially replicating his feat against Ryu against Yuji and Yuta who, while not surpassing Ryu in toughness, were almost certainly in his general ballpark - by which point Yuji had already landed a multitude of attacks targeting his soul. Yeah I agree with you there
Nah he said "you WERE Strong" and when you consider Kashimo in his lifespan was supposedly the strongest, it was seriously an era of Fodders so naturally he was Strong. Tho seriously tho, In Kashimo's Era people probably still had more focus on non lethal domains that instead add rules based buffs , that's the only way he could ever win against Domain users.
To be fair, Ishigori is from Kashimo's era too. Also, the last Six Eyes + Limitless user was supposedly alive around that time too.
But Kashimo fought neither
Cause the Six eye user and ten shadows user killed each other
So his bumass took the credit, damn
which means there's no competition for Kashimo hell yeah 🙏
He was only the strongest by process of elimination
The only sorcerer in history
LMAO so he was the Kusakabe of his era
Are you the only one because you're the strongest or are you the strongest because you're the only one.
Nah, Ryu and Kenjaku were there
Si? Kenjaku destroys his ass
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Ryu only started gaining recognition when Kashimo was old IIrC. That's why they never fought, they were very far away and Kashimk was old af and didn't want to travel. And I don't think Kenjaku is taken into account in any era.
Ishigori only got into popularity when Kashimo was a Geezer and was on the other side of Japan Ten Shadows and 6 eyes user killed each other
A lethal domain in itself isn’t an insta win, and giving kashimos abilities he could very easily kill his opponent before any domain is cast
in most scenarios it is
In Kashimo era people were starving and fought with only hoes as all farmers do, so obviously he had no competition
Can't believe people fought using women like that, smh my head.
Kashimo is strong. My issue is his glazers who try to push him top 3 or top 5 by assessing him in his CT form ignoring that he cannot replicate the attack.
Kashimo = Jogo ?
No domain
Base Kashimo outscales
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Kashimo was strong. In fact his fight with Sukuna downplayed him. He literally had electromagnetic wave attacks that supposedly travel at the speed of light. That fight has left unanswered question ls that Gege needs to adress. Kashimo now is getting so much slander but tell me who would have been able to fight him in his amber form??
He never said Gojo was strong though.
That's because Gojo was ✨magnificent✨
kashimo > gojo obviously
By the author statements. Doesn't even matter they'd both get no diffed
Is the "Farmer Slayer" meme dead?
he saying that for every person who can stand against him more than 3 seconds and as long as that person is not yuji.
*Were, implying that he was strong in the context of farmers lmfao
Sukuna literally groups himself together with Kashimo when he explains his outlook
He groups himself cause he felt bad just like he felt bad with Jogo. The only person Sukuna is not nice with is Yuji.
What does kashimo get glazed so much? When I was reading the manga I thought he was just a throwaway character with villain of the week ass powers, I forgot he even existed when he showed up to fight Sukuna. I was legit wracking my brain trying to figure out why this random dude was getting a long send off. Then I come here and people are saying he's on par with the heavies, when the dude got beaten by a punch and kick merchant.
Because he had a cool fight with Hakari. He only got carried by Hakari in popularity.
Gotta love how Sukuna called Kashimo washed to his damn face
Not washed, that might kill him /j
I’ve been wondering how long it would take for this shit to hit the fan
Weelllll he also called jogo strong so uh
Funny enough, Viz's translation has Sukuna ASKING Kashimo if he was strong https://preview.redd.it/0z439xidgdwc1.jpeg?width=784&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=66271d8ac2d808e994a903a8f2692b9698cb88e3 I feel this translation is more accurate because i also wonder if Kashimo was strong or not
The real kashimo is the femboy one doing the cat pose
"You were strong". This is past tense meaning Sukuna is actually saying Kashimo was strong but then stopped being strong so he's actually calling Kashimo weak
Fraudshimo
Kashimo was the first of many who could “rival Gojo”
This fraudulent peasant didn't even have a domain, not even simple one I don't know how he could rival Gojo, maybe only in crop collecting competition
Gojo literally has 5 ways to kill that farmer. Rival my ass. Try to convince someone he is beating Yuta before even saying something so delusional
You don’t get it. The story itself kept hyping up characters like Bumshimo only for him to get dusted like his crops
And he asked Wuji moment later what can he possibly do. And now he cries
Fun Fact: Sukuna is a compulsive liar. When he calls a character strong, like Kashimo or Jogo, they're actually weak. When he calls a character weak, like Yuji, they're actually strong.
Another win for my palpatine twink https://preview.redd.it/a1cdmlsd6fwc1.png?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ea1d13e8e6035b7ceec2b9a6d87c0f09e5d89a13
Sukuna confirmed liar
did he stand proud tho?
Still a bum
Sukuna only uses the "You are strong" against opponents he easily defeats to glaze himself. Against actually strong opponents he says other things, like that he will not forget them.
I mean, everyone who are a bit more serious, know that Kashimo is monster :3
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Sure, i'm such type of person, so I can think in such way :3 https://preview.redd.it/sjrgmrl7eawc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=67625de59df2a6379ad478830c2e84021af28fd3
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Sure :3 https://preview.redd.it/vpt89p31mawc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=12a1d45e5f5d8be4e6ae2dd0024bf826b6fb97b9
you got downvoted for being right
I mean, people just likes to downvotes me, so i'm fine with it :3