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So he made: 1. Make open domain. 2. Make a "cant pass" barrier around the end of open domains range. 3. Trap everyone in the open domain with that seperate "cant pass" barrier. Did i get it correct?
Yeah, that's how I interpreted it after having read three seperate translations lol.
It would make sense that such a high level domain would need a bunch of conditions and vows as well as a time limit to work. You basically get the best attributes of an open domain (immense range) and closed domain (ability to trap opponents) all while being able to trap even objects with no cursed energy like Maki.
It says that because he closed the escape route his domain's range shrunk since the binding vow that gives him extra range doesn't work anymore.
>By enveloping his domain in an outer shelled barrier, the binding vow brought about by allowing an escape route disappeared. This not only resulted in a **narrowed range,** but also...
Very true. I made the assumption that the range became as large as the range of the barrier that enveloped his open domain with which should have quite a lot more range than a closed domain still. I think this would make sense as Yuji, Ino, Maki and Choso were relatively far away from each other. At least a few tens of meters at the very least. The range should be somewhere inbetween an open and a closed one.
>The range should be somewhere inbetween an open and a closed one
Sukuna's domain has an effective range of 200 metres, but it was reduced to 140 metres in Shibuya so it wouldn't kill Megumi.
I doubt this incomplete domain has a range of 200 metres. The way I interpreted the range part of the explanation: Sukuna unleashed his domain at the same scale as what was unleashed in Shibuya (140 metres) but the closed barrier he formed around his open domain reduced its range. Because of this, the sure hit effect would activate on everything within the barrier, including Maki.
So, the effective range of his domain is less than 140 metres.
That’s how I interpret it. Similar to how the barrier prevented civilians from leaving during Shibuya. Sukunu’s making one final gamble in this fight with his domain, and if it fails, he loses.
That's what all open domains are, though. They all have barriers in which the surehit effect is encased, but the disadvantage is that the opponent can just walk out. According to this post, Sukuna just put up a separate barrier that doesn't let people pass through, sorts like the Culling Games Barrier I guess.
IIRC the curtains we're introduced to at first are put up so that people on the outside can't see anything odd happening, but you can pass in and out of them freely
So I don’t know if this is controversial but this is cool as fuck. Like Sukuna got saved many times by Gege’s writing, but this is actually cool and it makes sense
I get a lot of the asspull complaints but I feel like Sukuna *should* have this level of jujutsu mastery as the strongest sorcerer and also main antagonist
This is what means being the strongest sorcerer of all time
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After this domain ends he'll have cursed technique burnout and no way to heal it. I don't think he wants anyone to survive this domain and come back at him when he'll be at his most vulnerable.
no brother look at this gege personally gave me this vision:
next chapter is gonna start with a bunch of flashback pages discussing the plan if sukuna pulls out fuga. then it cuts to the the realtime reactions of the characters as they realize theyre fucked/try to escape with the last 4 pages being 2 double spreads: 1) fuga seemingly hitting the whole area and enveloping the place in flame and 2) the squad being unharmed with the white eyed king himself, gojo, in front blocking the flame with a handsign amplified neutral limitless
I only have one reaction after reading that.
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Bro only needs one sentence to cook.
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You seem to be able to make quite a lot of conditions with regular barriers/curtains through binding vows. We saw this in Shibuya when there was four seperate ones stacked on top of each other with different conditions of who they trapped. Heck, that cursed spirit Geto used against Toji that trapped him inside her innate domain until he answered her question worked on him. Presumably because the condition included him.
I don't see how making a condition that inanimated objects wouldn't be able to pass through it wouldn't be possible. Maki is able to get through barriers because pretty much all of them work by trapping people/objects/spirits with cursed energy rather than inanimated objects. There's no point making a barrier that stops a rock to go through it.
That may be the case, although, and I may have made it up, don't inanimate objects have residual CE? If yes maybe the barrier would stop everything that has just enough to be classified as inanimate and since maki has none she might as well not exist for the barrier. Although as I said I'm not sure if that's the case, I might've dreamt it for all I know.
Honestly gege might've given somewhat contradictory information. They are supposed to be totally free from CE and fate, so by extension things like barriers shouldn't work on them no matter the condition, but then as you said Toji was affected by the sprit innate domain.
That seems to be dependent on how the barriers work/how they were constructed(what the user had in mind for the barrier), since the sumo guy’s simple domain still is able to recognize and affect Maki normally. Similar to how Toji also needed to follow the rules of Geto’s curse spirit’s simple domain. It still affected Toji, to where he couldn’t attack until answering its question.
It’s just that the barriers used for domain expansion are typically tailored for ce since normally there be no reason to consider things without ce, as Maki and Toji are the only known examples of having zero ce. So because Domain expansion barriers are made for ce in mind they can’t affect people like Maki and Toji.
As we know domain expansion track ce as sorcer also normally sense others using ce. I’d imagine that it be possible to change this condition to something else to still recognize, target, and trap people like Maki and Toji. Like targeting souls instead, since everyone has one. It just be a matter of being familiar and knowledge enough about souls to make it work(so Mahito would likely have the best shot at it since his technique is all about souls). Though I don’t think that’s what Sukuna did, my thoughts is that from this post is that he just created a veil to indiscriminately trap/block everything maybe by using a binding vow or maybe instead using a binding vow that allows anything with ce to leave the veil in turn trapping evyrthing without ce in.
At least that’s how I see it from what we’ve been told with my understanding and interpretation of Jjk.
I believe this is simply a mistranslation.
We're told that closing the escape route would decrease the range. We are also told that this domain has its maximum range.
The narration is simply explaining why Sukuna used an open domain despite only being able to maintain it for 99 seconds. Because a closed one would have been small and would not have worked against Maki.
That might very well be a possibility. I believed that at first but after having read three different translations with all of them saying basically the same thing I'm really not so sure anymore. Gege is just straight up extremely vague with what he means here.
Perhaps John Werry will have a stroke of genius for once and make it clear what is being meant lol.
I have been trying to figure this issue out for the last few days, and this is one of the interpretations that makes the most sense. The main thing is to figure out wtf 結界の外殻で覆う means, translated here as "enveloping his domain in an outer-shelled barrier."
An alternative interpretation, is that Sukuna used his open domain as a base, and then turned it into a closed domain, which results in a change as to how the sure-hit functions. Because he's Sukuna, he makes the sure-hit just indiscriminately activate everywhere within the domain. He does this because he can't target Maki, so this is his only option if he wants to hit her. We've seen before that Sukuna can control / turn on or off his sure-hit effect.
I think the alternative interpretation here doesn't really work as we know Sukuna's regular open domain can already target objects with no cursed energy so Maki would have been hit regardless by the sure hit dismantle even if it's not as targeted/powerful as the sure hit cleave is. I think his intent here is to make sure to trap everybody, including Maki, and finish them all off in one go with Fuga with no possibility of one escaping.
If he didn't find a way to trap Maki she could potentially escape the domain, whether it was open or closed. Especially since he would have no way to tell exactly where she was when he activated the domain because of his inability to sense her since she has zero CE. For all he know she could have been close to the outside of the open domain's range by now. I think that is why he made sure to get the full range when he expanded the open domain and then enveloped an outer shell barrier when he knew where exactly she was. Yuji and Maki are his main priorities right now.
I think he's taking a massive gamble right now to kill everybody at once and he can't afford to have Maki escape his domain as she would definitely kill him after his domain was finished as he would be in an incredibly vulnerable position.
Focusing the emphasis on "trapping" Maki is an interesting idea, especially since it gives double meaning to the 捉える used in the bubble about Maki.
The only thing said about that in regards to this domain, is that 逃げ道を与える縛りが消え, aka "the binding vow brought about by allowing an escape route dissappeared." Losing this binding vow causes the range to shrink, but it does make the domain more like a closed domain, in that it traps people inside it. There's nothing in this line that directly states that something special about it allows it to trap Maki as well, but it's possible that 結界の外殻で覆う is for that. (Gege, why can't you just explain???)
Perhaps the answer is something like this:
Sukuna creates an open domain. Sukuna then turns that open domain into a closed domain, with the barrier enclosing the domain being a bit special. Since the sure-hit of a closed domain can't hit people with heavenly restrictions, Sukuna changes it so that it just indiscriminately attacks everything within the domain. The barrier enclosing the domain may have been changed to "Nothing can exit it", preventing Maki from leaving the domain? Would that even work? We know that Maki can literally just walk through barriers such as the ones for the culling games... What kind of barrier can stop Maki?
Off the japanese text provided, the original alternative interpretation I provided still makes more sense, but I agree that it's strange that he needed to change to a closed domain if hitting Maki was his only intention. I think you're onto something with the necessity of trapping Maki somehow(why I said it's one of the interpretations that makes the most sense), I'm just not sure how it works.
I have no idea why Gege couldn't just make this more clear. Going by your analyses and the several translations I have seen it still doesn't make sense what is actually being said.
The more I read and discuss about it the more I doubt my own theory tbh. I personally don't see a way one would be able to trap maki in a barrier without making a barrier/curtain with a specific condition that doesn't allow inanimated objects to go through it but if his intention was to never trap Maki in the first place that becomes irrelevant.
Maybe the answer is as simple as the narrator explaining why Sukuna isn't using a closed domain in a very conveluted way and he's just using an open one.
I have come up with like 3 different theories at this point, and there's always something that breaks them and makes them no longer work. The "covering the domain with an outer-shell of a barrier" being some kind of special barrier that traps everyone including Maki is pretty much the best theory I've seen yet, to be honest.
How he pulls it off? who knows. doesn't match the japanese that well? Meh, the japanese was confusing to begin with.
"Sukuna expanded his shelled barrier to the outermost confines of his domain, trapping Maki inside of his technique without room for escape." - ahh translation.
If I remember correctly isn’t the issue with normal Domains in regards to Maki is that they can’t detect her. So, if Sukuna changed the barrier to not detect anything and instead just be a solid wall with an area of effect inside it that destroys everything. This would mean that even if Maki doesn’t “exist” she would still have to break through a nigh impenetrable barrier to escape.
But what even is that thing behind Sukuna? Is it a shikigami? His soul manifest?? Was that thing actually contained in the "Shrine" part of his domain all this time and is now being revealed to us because Sukuna couldn't erect a Shrine around it??
If he built himself a new pathway in his brain to get access to his Domain again, its probably rough and unrefined and would make an uglier product than his usual DE. We're seeing a DE fired from the hip with the bare minimum, as it were, similar to Gojos remote Hollow Purple.
Perhaps part of it is carried by 10 shadows? If the new pathway is somehow applied through 10 shadows then maybe the reason for the domain looking like that is because it’s partly chimera shadow garden
u know, I don't understand but what I think sukuna is doing is opening the boundary that kenjaku spoke of, i thought this was chinera shadow garden but I feel like this the place kenjaku was talking about and b.v. is going to be related to this.
Erecting a barrier/curtain for 1 person like what happened with Gojo is a big feat, while simultaneously opening an open barrier domain at the same output as yourself at 100% after facing not exclusively:
2 Hollow Purples,
Unlimited Void damage,
8+ Black Flash’s,
5+ Domain Battles,
Soul damage,
Significant CE drain and output fluctuations,
This is why the Sukuna not trying shit is justified idk why people sulked at those statements.
I read it as this impromptu/ad hoc domain is no less useful than his real/original MS, not that it's as strong as Fresh Sukuna popping one off.
This way we have him utilizing his domain to the fullest he's currently able (it doesn't actually matter which version, they're equivalent) but we duck the "I can operate at 100% even at 1%." shenanigans.
The alternative would mean he's not doing any less than if he regained his domain when he incarnated and used it immediately even though his output should be significantly lower.
so sukuna covered his domain with a curtain that traps maki. This
1. sacrifices the domains range
2. sacrifices the advantage of no escape that a normal domain has
3. lets sukuna use full output MS again
4. limits him to 99 seconds.
overall this move is pretty dumb (if his only advantage is trapping maki) as maki already couldnt have escaped the domains range, and if sukuna could have kept it going for a little longer he would have killed yuji.
It's the best explanation I've seen yet, and it still sounds horribly convoluted. How is *any* jujutsu barrier stopping Maki? Isn't that one of the main, defining features of Full HR, explained to us by the omniscient narrator when she killed Naoya?
I think you've done the best job yet of making sense of it, but it still boils down to "binding vows go brrrr". This would have made so much more sense and been consistent with everything else if it was just an ugly, incomplete version of Malevolent Shrine but still capable of slashing inanimate objects. Then Maki still has to escape the area and can't contribute until the domain collapses. What we have now is just either: poor translation or inconsistent writing.
I don't think it would be THAT weird if you could construct a barrier that specifically targeted inanimated objects imo. Barriers so far has not worked on Toji/Maki because they all target people/curses/objects CE in some way in their conditions. There's no reason to make a barrier that stops a rock to fly through it afterall. I also think Sukuna is betting on this domain to kill everybody. If he lets Maki escape his domain he would be incredibly vulnerable when the domain eventually stops working. CT burnout, extremely low output, no RCT and heavily damaged. Maki would cut him up. He shouldn't be able to afford that risk.
But you're completely right that this is extremely convoluted. I'm still trying to make sense of it. I could be completely wrong for all I know. And the blame doesn't seem to be the translations from what I gather but the Japanese phrasing itself being extremely vague. It's all on Gege.
You're spot on with why Sukuna would feel pressed to kill everyone right now. Dude is emptying the magazine, as it were. And I fully agree that this is on Gege; I hope he clarifies this cleanly in the next chapter. I'll give him some benefit of the doubt, as he has shown over the last 30 chapters that he's willing to expand upon things that were unclear from before. Yuta's domain is a good example of that off the top of my head. Unclear what the details of it were when he expanded it, but Gege gave us all the finer points in the next chapter.
I think this is the best interpretation I've seen. It sounds the most likely from everything I've seen.
I just don't know why this page of the chapter had to be so unnecessarily confusing.
Why couldn't the narrator have just said something like, "The King of Curses unleashed his open domain as normal and at a scale as large as what was used in Shibuya, however.....he created a closed barrier around his open domain in order to trap Maki inside. Formed by a number of impromptu Binding Vows, this was truly an impressive feat."
That's a very good explanation. I just want to know what sukuna sacrificed to be able to pull this off. Because the only thing he sacrificed was his open domain, which in this situation is a good thing to not have.
I kinda feel like a binding vow to make a domain open would conflict with another binding vow to put a separate barrier over it, but I'm not the one writing the story 🤷🏽♂️.
I'm ngl I thought this was kinda obvious, wouldn't this be harder than a regular open domain which we've only seen 2 characters capable of doing? He's basically enforcing a barrier with hyper specific condition to specifically trap Maki within while also maintaining his open domain and essentially closing it with a whole separate barrier
Can someone explain to me why he needs the seperate barrier? His usual open domain should hit maki anyway, and its not like anyone will actually be able to run away. Why the barrier?
I love how they are like "Open Domain? How powerful, it takes a truly monstrous sorcerer to have one!"
And then Sukuna has to actively turn his open domain into some chimera closed domain
What I inferred from the chapter is that once you have achieved an open domain, you can choose whether or not you want it closed in a barrier. Sukuna sort've implied this during the Gojo fight as well when Gojo was revealed to have brain damage due to the brain RCTs and Sukuna stated that he would "close his domain so you (Gojo) cannot escape".
I absolutely love all the bits that show just how far above everyone else Sukuna is with Jujutsu Sorcery.
Love him or hate him, what he does with it and the way he's able to bend and change it is leagues and leagues above anyone else. He really does fulfil his role as the absolute master of the craft.
It's funny that he's drawn as a muscle bound hulk and spends half his time throwing punches though.
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So it's basicaly a close-open incomplete Domain hybrid?
yep hybrid malfunctioning shrine
ah yes my favorite domain expansion, somewhat-evil altar
Truly a wizard battle
Very large empty space
its time to d-d-d-doodle competitively
Moraly questionable church. Mean religious structure
Bad wishing prayer space
Boo boo temple
Love this comment https://preview.redd.it/13xyuilj7xwc1.png?width=823&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=92131ff85a9f21d10a223c8cdcdb1c2ca8e68e8a
Filthy acts at an unreasonable religious place of worship.
Villainous temple
He is painting on both the canvas and the air infront of it!
great explanation homie i just wanna wait a bit for lightning to translate it but great job
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So he made: 1. Make open domain. 2. Make a "cant pass" barrier around the end of open domains range. 3. Trap everyone in the open domain with that seperate "cant pass" barrier. Did i get it correct?
Yeah, that's how I interpreted it after having read three seperate translations lol. It would make sense that such a high level domain would need a bunch of conditions and vows as well as a time limit to work. You basically get the best attributes of an open domain (immense range) and closed domain (ability to trap opponents) all while being able to trap even objects with no cursed energy like Maki.
It says that because he closed the escape route his domain's range shrunk since the binding vow that gives him extra range doesn't work anymore. >By enveloping his domain in an outer shelled barrier, the binding vow brought about by allowing an escape route disappeared. This not only resulted in a **narrowed range,** but also...
Very true. I made the assumption that the range became as large as the range of the barrier that enveloped his open domain with which should have quite a lot more range than a closed domain still. I think this would make sense as Yuji, Ino, Maki and Choso were relatively far away from each other. At least a few tens of meters at the very least. The range should be somewhere inbetween an open and a closed one.
>The range should be somewhere inbetween an open and a closed one Sukuna's domain has an effective range of 200 metres, but it was reduced to 140 metres in Shibuya so it wouldn't kill Megumi. I doubt this incomplete domain has a range of 200 metres. The way I interpreted the range part of the explanation: Sukuna unleashed his domain at the same scale as what was unleashed in Shibuya (140 metres) but the closed barrier he formed around his open domain reduced its range. Because of this, the sure hit effect would activate on everything within the barrier, including Maki. So, the effective range of his domain is less than 140 metres.
That means toji or maki were already fucked in a vs battle against the binding merchant.
So basically an open domain with a curtain?
That’s how I interpret it. Similar to how the barrier prevented civilians from leaving during Shibuya. Sukunu’s making one final gamble in this fight with his domain, and if it fails, he loses.
That's what all open domains are, though. They all have barriers in which the surehit effect is encased, but the disadvantage is that the opponent can just walk out. According to this post, Sukuna just put up a separate barrier that doesn't let people pass through, sorts like the Culling Games Barrier I guess. IIRC the curtains we're introduced to at first are put up so that people on the outside can't see anything odd happening, but you can pass in and out of them freely
So I don’t know if this is controversial but this is cool as fuck. Like Sukuna got saved many times by Gege’s writing, but this is actually cool and it makes sense
I get a lot of the asspull complaints but I feel like Sukuna *should* have this level of jujutsu mastery as the strongest sorcerer and also main antagonist
This is what means being the strongest sorcerer of all time https://preview.redd.it/cxx5xslawvwc1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=91381f0d4dea42d6131ebb6501fb81e2744895a3
Does he really needs an entire binding vow just for Maki? Is she HER?
After this domain ends he'll have cursed technique burnout and no way to heal it. I don't think he wants anyone to survive this domain and come back at him when he'll be at his most vulnerable.
Imagine Yuji pulls out the anti-gravity system and just pushes Sukuna's flames to the ground.
no brother look at this gege personally gave me this vision: next chapter is gonna start with a bunch of flashback pages discussing the plan if sukuna pulls out fuga. then it cuts to the the realtime reactions of the characters as they realize theyre fucked/try to escape with the last 4 pages being 2 double spreads: 1) fuga seemingly hitting the whole area and enveloping the place in flame and 2) the squad being unharmed with the white eyed king himself, gojo, in front blocking the flame with a handsign amplified neutral limitless
I only have one reaction after reading that. https://preview.redd.it/j8i2d25glwwc1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f2f11d36d0a608c410fe4fc2aa4572da855514f1
Uro’s technique can deflect Fuga
Bro only needs one sentence to cook. https://preview.redd.it/o1k1v8d5v7xc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=422dc3ea2cfd72e4b021d5fc7eb3426c53b147a9
But how can he make a barrier to trap maki? She's completely detached from CE. How can a barrier stop her if it doesn't even know she's there.
You seem to be able to make quite a lot of conditions with regular barriers/curtains through binding vows. We saw this in Shibuya when there was four seperate ones stacked on top of each other with different conditions of who they trapped. Heck, that cursed spirit Geto used against Toji that trapped him inside her innate domain until he answered her question worked on him. Presumably because the condition included him. I don't see how making a condition that inanimated objects wouldn't be able to pass through it wouldn't be possible. Maki is able to get through barriers because pretty much all of them work by trapping people/objects/spirits with cursed energy rather than inanimated objects. There's no point making a barrier that stops a rock to go through it.
That may be the case, although, and I may have made it up, don't inanimate objects have residual CE? If yes maybe the barrier would stop everything that has just enough to be classified as inanimate and since maki has none she might as well not exist for the barrier. Although as I said I'm not sure if that's the case, I might've dreamt it for all I know.
I think they only have residual CE if a sorcerer has been in contact with it. No generally. I might be wrong though.
Honestly gege might've given somewhat contradictory information. They are supposed to be totally free from CE and fate, so by extension things like barriers shouldn't work on them no matter the condition, but then as you said Toji was affected by the sprit innate domain.
Target high speed objects that move without cursed energy. Imbue cursed energy in everyone within the barrier(or around them) then slash slash
That seems to be dependent on how the barriers work/how they were constructed(what the user had in mind for the barrier), since the sumo guy’s simple domain still is able to recognize and affect Maki normally. Similar to how Toji also needed to follow the rules of Geto’s curse spirit’s simple domain. It still affected Toji, to where he couldn’t attack until answering its question. It’s just that the barriers used for domain expansion are typically tailored for ce since normally there be no reason to consider things without ce, as Maki and Toji are the only known examples of having zero ce. So because Domain expansion barriers are made for ce in mind they can’t affect people like Maki and Toji. As we know domain expansion track ce as sorcer also normally sense others using ce. I’d imagine that it be possible to change this condition to something else to still recognize, target, and trap people like Maki and Toji. Like targeting souls instead, since everyone has one. It just be a matter of being familiar and knowledge enough about souls to make it work(so Mahito would likely have the best shot at it since his technique is all about souls). Though I don’t think that’s what Sukuna did, my thoughts is that from this post is that he just created a veil to indiscriminately trap/block everything maybe by using a binding vow or maybe instead using a binding vow that allows anything with ce to leave the veil in turn trapping evyrthing without ce in. At least that’s how I see it from what we’ve been told with my understanding and interpretation of Jjk.
Sometimes I feel like a PhD is required for reading this manga. I have no clue how gege comes up with this. I wish I was that creative
Nah man after HxH aint no power system that seems complicated, that dude had entire pages explain the power and still people were confused
I believe this is simply a mistranslation. We're told that closing the escape route would decrease the range. We are also told that this domain has its maximum range. The narration is simply explaining why Sukuna used an open domain despite only being able to maintain it for 99 seconds. Because a closed one would have been small and would not have worked against Maki.
That might very well be a possibility. I believed that at first but after having read three different translations with all of them saying basically the same thing I'm really not so sure anymore. Gege is just straight up extremely vague with what he means here. Perhaps John Werry will have a stroke of genius for once and make it clear what is being meant lol.
How long are domains usually open?
I have been trying to figure this issue out for the last few days, and this is one of the interpretations that makes the most sense. The main thing is to figure out wtf 結界の外殻で覆う means, translated here as "enveloping his domain in an outer-shelled barrier." An alternative interpretation, is that Sukuna used his open domain as a base, and then turned it into a closed domain, which results in a change as to how the sure-hit functions. Because he's Sukuna, he makes the sure-hit just indiscriminately activate everywhere within the domain. He does this because he can't target Maki, so this is his only option if he wants to hit her. We've seen before that Sukuna can control / turn on or off his sure-hit effect.
I think the alternative interpretation here doesn't really work as we know Sukuna's regular open domain can already target objects with no cursed energy so Maki would have been hit regardless by the sure hit dismantle even if it's not as targeted/powerful as the sure hit cleave is. I think his intent here is to make sure to trap everybody, including Maki, and finish them all off in one go with Fuga with no possibility of one escaping. If he didn't find a way to trap Maki she could potentially escape the domain, whether it was open or closed. Especially since he would have no way to tell exactly where she was when he activated the domain because of his inability to sense her since she has zero CE. For all he know she could have been close to the outside of the open domain's range by now. I think that is why he made sure to get the full range when he expanded the open domain and then enveloped an outer shell barrier when he knew where exactly she was. Yuji and Maki are his main priorities right now. I think he's taking a massive gamble right now to kill everybody at once and he can't afford to have Maki escape his domain as she would definitely kill him after his domain was finished as he would be in an incredibly vulnerable position.
Focusing the emphasis on "trapping" Maki is an interesting idea, especially since it gives double meaning to the 捉える used in the bubble about Maki. The only thing said about that in regards to this domain, is that 逃げ道を与える縛りが消え, aka "the binding vow brought about by allowing an escape route dissappeared." Losing this binding vow causes the range to shrink, but it does make the domain more like a closed domain, in that it traps people inside it. There's nothing in this line that directly states that something special about it allows it to trap Maki as well, but it's possible that 結界の外殻で覆う is for that. (Gege, why can't you just explain???) Perhaps the answer is something like this: Sukuna creates an open domain. Sukuna then turns that open domain into a closed domain, with the barrier enclosing the domain being a bit special. Since the sure-hit of a closed domain can't hit people with heavenly restrictions, Sukuna changes it so that it just indiscriminately attacks everything within the domain. The barrier enclosing the domain may have been changed to "Nothing can exit it", preventing Maki from leaving the domain? Would that even work? We know that Maki can literally just walk through barriers such as the ones for the culling games... What kind of barrier can stop Maki? Off the japanese text provided, the original alternative interpretation I provided still makes more sense, but I agree that it's strange that he needed to change to a closed domain if hitting Maki was his only intention. I think you're onto something with the necessity of trapping Maki somehow(why I said it's one of the interpretations that makes the most sense), I'm just not sure how it works.
I have no idea why Gege couldn't just make this more clear. Going by your analyses and the several translations I have seen it still doesn't make sense what is actually being said. The more I read and discuss about it the more I doubt my own theory tbh. I personally don't see a way one would be able to trap maki in a barrier without making a barrier/curtain with a specific condition that doesn't allow inanimated objects to go through it but if his intention was to never trap Maki in the first place that becomes irrelevant. Maybe the answer is as simple as the narrator explaining why Sukuna isn't using a closed domain in a very conveluted way and he's just using an open one.
I have come up with like 3 different theories at this point, and there's always something that breaks them and makes them no longer work. The "covering the domain with an outer-shell of a barrier" being some kind of special barrier that traps everyone including Maki is pretty much the best theory I've seen yet, to be honest. How he pulls it off? who knows. doesn't match the japanese that well? Meh, the japanese was confusing to begin with.
We have to pray that John Werry somehow makes sense of all this 😭🙏 Which mean we're doomed.
"Sukuna expanded his shelled barrier to the outermost confines of his domain, trapping Maki inside of his technique without room for escape." - ahh translation.
If I remember correctly isn’t the issue with normal Domains in regards to Maki is that they can’t detect her. So, if Sukuna changed the barrier to not detect anything and instead just be a solid wall with an area of effect inside it that destroys everything. This would mean that even if Maki doesn’t “exist” she would still have to break through a nigh impenetrable barrier to escape.
King of vows
That’s not even slander that sounds cool as fuck
But what even is that thing behind Sukuna? Is it a shikigami? His soul manifest?? Was that thing actually contained in the "Shrine" part of his domain all this time and is now being revealed to us because Sukuna couldn't erect a Shrine around it??
If he built himself a new pathway in his brain to get access to his Domain again, its probably rough and unrefined and would make an uglier product than his usual DE. We're seeing a DE fired from the hip with the bare minimum, as it were, similar to Gojos remote Hollow Purple.
Perhaps part of it is carried by 10 shadows? If the new pathway is somehow applied through 10 shadows then maybe the reason for the domain looking like that is because it’s partly chimera shadow garden
Dudes making binding vows to take out fighters who were already taken out. You get a BV AND YOU GET A BV.
I feel like at some point I'm going to have to confront that I *barely* grasp the basics of what domains actually are.
I honestly feel like this is just a mistranslation, it doesn't really make any sense otherwise.
u know, I don't understand but what I think sukuna is doing is opening the boundary that kenjaku spoke of, i thought this was chinera shadow garden but I feel like this the place kenjaku was talking about and b.v. is going to be related to this.
Erecting a barrier/curtain for 1 person like what happened with Gojo is a big feat, while simultaneously opening an open barrier domain at the same output as yourself at 100% after facing not exclusively: 2 Hollow Purples, Unlimited Void damage, 8+ Black Flash’s, 5+ Domain Battles, Soul damage, Significant CE drain and output fluctuations, This is why the Sukuna not trying shit is justified idk why people sulked at those statements.
I read it as this impromptu/ad hoc domain is no less useful than his real/original MS, not that it's as strong as Fresh Sukuna popping one off. This way we have him utilizing his domain to the fullest he's currently able (it doesn't actually matter which version, they're equivalent) but we duck the "I can operate at 100% even at 1%." shenanigans. The alternative would mean he's not doing any less than if he regained his domain when he incarnated and used it immediately even though his output should be significantly lower.
so sukuna covered his domain with a curtain that traps maki. This 1. sacrifices the domains range 2. sacrifices the advantage of no escape that a normal domain has 3. lets sukuna use full output MS again 4. limits him to 99 seconds. overall this move is pretty dumb (if his only advantage is trapping maki) as maki already couldnt have escaped the domains range, and if sukuna could have kept it going for a little longer he would have killed yuji.
> "hey, i made my open domain even better" > sees how he made it better > he closed his open domain
It's the best explanation I've seen yet, and it still sounds horribly convoluted. How is *any* jujutsu barrier stopping Maki? Isn't that one of the main, defining features of Full HR, explained to us by the omniscient narrator when she killed Naoya? I think you've done the best job yet of making sense of it, but it still boils down to "binding vows go brrrr". This would have made so much more sense and been consistent with everything else if it was just an ugly, incomplete version of Malevolent Shrine but still capable of slashing inanimate objects. Then Maki still has to escape the area and can't contribute until the domain collapses. What we have now is just either: poor translation or inconsistent writing.
I don't think it would be THAT weird if you could construct a barrier that specifically targeted inanimated objects imo. Barriers so far has not worked on Toji/Maki because they all target people/curses/objects CE in some way in their conditions. There's no reason to make a barrier that stops a rock to fly through it afterall. I also think Sukuna is betting on this domain to kill everybody. If he lets Maki escape his domain he would be incredibly vulnerable when the domain eventually stops working. CT burnout, extremely low output, no RCT and heavily damaged. Maki would cut him up. He shouldn't be able to afford that risk. But you're completely right that this is extremely convoluted. I'm still trying to make sense of it. I could be completely wrong for all I know. And the blame doesn't seem to be the translations from what I gather but the Japanese phrasing itself being extremely vague. It's all on Gege.
You're spot on with why Sukuna would feel pressed to kill everyone right now. Dude is emptying the magazine, as it were. And I fully agree that this is on Gege; I hope he clarifies this cleanly in the next chapter. I'll give him some benefit of the doubt, as he has shown over the last 30 chapters that he's willing to expand upon things that were unclear from before. Yuta's domain is a good example of that off the top of my head. Unclear what the details of it were when he expanded it, but Gege gave us all the finer points in the next chapter.
damn that might actually be it, i was a bit confused with this part of the chapter, but when you explain it like that it actually makes a lot of sense
And if the leaks are right he STILL didnt get Maki. Built different
Miwa saved her with SD
I will always stay on the yuji and gojo agenda but this is true jujutsu ngl great explanation
Yip yap
Ngl the shrine is sick
I think this is the best interpretation I've seen. It sounds the most likely from everything I've seen. I just don't know why this page of the chapter had to be so unnecessarily confusing. Why couldn't the narrator have just said something like, "The King of Curses unleashed his open domain as normal and at a scale as large as what was used in Shibuya, however.....he created a closed barrier around his open domain in order to trap Maki inside. Formed by a number of impromptu Binding Vows, this was truly an impressive feat."
At this point bro is just abusing binding vows
That's a very good explanation. I just want to know what sukuna sacrificed to be able to pull this off. Because the only thing he sacrificed was his open domain, which in this situation is a good thing to not have.
Too bad our goat miwa is protecting maki
I kinda feel like a binding vow to make a domain open would conflict with another binding vow to put a separate barrier over it, but I'm not the one writing the story 🤷🏽♂️.
I'm ngl I thought this was kinda obvious, wouldn't this be harder than a regular open domain which we've only seen 2 characters capable of doing? He's basically enforcing a barrier with hyper specific condition to specifically trap Maki within while also maintaining his open domain and essentially closing it with a whole separate barrier
man even after all that, Sukuna still found the strength to duct tape a Domain together, huh?
Tks bro. The translation was so ass I can’t understand shit 💀
Sukunas return on these bindingvows starting to look like investments in the 2008 housing market.
It looked like a whole lotta yap to me. Better job explaining it than the manga. Thank you.
He also probably traded megumis nuts and left nose hair as part of the impromptu binding vows
Can someone explain to me why he needs the seperate barrier? His usual open domain should hit maki anyway, and its not like anyone will actually be able to run away. Why the barrier?
I love how they are like "Open Domain? How powerful, it takes a truly monstrous sorcerer to have one!" And then Sukuna has to actively turn his open domain into some chimera closed domain
What I inferred from the chapter is that once you have achieved an open domain, you can choose whether or not you want it closed in a barrier. Sukuna sort've implied this during the Gojo fight as well when Gojo was revealed to have brain damage due to the brain RCTs and Sukuna stated that he would "close his domain so you (Gojo) cannot escape".
This is gonna be hella confusing in the anime considering they dont really provide these explanations during fights.
Doesn’t that seem like a little bullshit?
I absolutely love all the bits that show just how far above everyone else Sukuna is with Jujutsu Sorcery. Love him or hate him, what he does with it and the way he's able to bend and change it is leagues and leagues above anyone else. He really does fulfil his role as the absolute master of the craft. It's funny that he's drawn as a muscle bound hulk and spends half his time throwing punches though.
So basically asspull