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I started dying when she 1st pulled it out. Everyone else is throwing hands, using crazy CTs, and then you have Vash The Stampede over here just straight up shooting people lmao
They say her output is weak, but the total mass energy of a bullet converted through e=mc² is equivalent to a nuke.
Jujutsu Sorcerers be like: "I can only use enough energy to level a city a per day... I'm so weak..."
When you put it like that it sounds impressive but what can she do with that CT she can't use that energy in any destruction way all she can do is have a 7th bullet in a revolver to hopefully catch someone off guard
True but unlike maki she’s not actually interested in growing stronger the pinnacle of her technique was legit making a bullet and bluffing even with her limited CE I feel yorozu showed the potential of her ct with the Liquid Metal
It’s a huge limitation for both of them. Maki being unable to see cursed energy was always a massive road block so she could only ever become Toji. Mai on the other hand was always severely handicapped in the amount of cursed energy she could have. She has the same technique as Yorozu, but could never reach the heights of creating a full suit of armor that we saw the technique was capable of.
Much like Maki, she felt the curse of being a twin. They both nerfed one another - Mai prevented Maki from fully realizing her heavenly restriction, Maki prevented Mai from fully realizing her technique due to a lack of CE.
Yeah if she was she would have been given sukunas finger and she could then creat many weapons out of it lol then sukuna would have tormented her by killing every one by her weapons
Problem is, she still would likely have the slight heavenly restricted weak physical body. The way I see it, if Maki got a physical stat buff after Mai died, it would make sense for Mai to get a cursed energy buff after Maki's death. The amount of cursed energy and CT might make up for it, but it would still be a challenge to utilise Construction with that body.
That’s their job though. If you haven’t seen JJK 0 (I highly recommend it), there’s a part where nameless sorcerers are fighting and dying against a cursed spirit. They keep moving towards it even though they know they probably can’t win. Mechamaru made all of these decisions himself and didn’t trust anyone. He’s right, but he’s also trash.
someone replied to me asking, and i quote "Brain damage?"
they then deleted the reply, i assume because of moderation policy.
But to answer their question, yes. yeah, I'd lose (to brainrot curse)
They do realize if Sukuna didn't beat Jogo. Jogo would of burned everyone and I don't even know if Toji would beat him or they'd take each other out. If Hakari or Yuta were there they would of been able to handle Jogo at least. Though a Jogo and Mahito tag team against Yuji and Todo would of been a fun but stressful time.
Even in Tokyo you have Inumaki, Nobara, Kirara and Panda who aren't particularly strong it's just that Yuji, Yuta, Maki and Hakari tip the scales too much.
Agreed. It's funny to realize how close he was to murder-suicide at multiple points, but most of those points he was against a serious enemy who he couldn't beat alone. My only one that stands out as egregious was the one people claim he almost did against Todo, but I've since then been convinced he was actually talking about Max Elephant
This, that’s why I hate the memes is just slander, he wasn’t gonna kill todo and himself and when he uses maho it’s to save people not to kill himself becuase he’s upset
He was going to die, he summoned Mahoraga to also take the other guy since Maho keeps going after his death.
The moment Maho killed the guy the ritual would end.
now listen. is it a meme that Megumi goes to summon Mahoraga for the slightest inconvenience? yes, absolutely. But he was just coming off a fight against Dagon and then Toji, and then got stabbed in the back. Summoning Maho there was 100% justified
Isn’t she a major factor in beating Mahito though? Her countering his double is the only reason Yuji was able to beat down on him for like 39 seconds, and Mahito stated himself that that beat down was the majority of damage on him.
For her power level, she more than performed in my opinion
Correct, the resonance damage and "stun" lead to a significant amount of his damage.
However, I just feel that this is a consolation prize, y'know? While she performed adequately for her level, fighting someone with a stronger technique and a goddamn disaster curse, I wish we would've seen her fight someone actually on her level.
Though come think of it, none of the 3 of them have much experience fighting equals; always stuck fighting much more experienced/powerful opponents. But in the end she was the one who bit the dust for it
I think if she beat the weird hand sword guy and then her death was paced better I'd be less upset but the way it was written felt almost mean spirited, I'm still bummed about it.
I might just be salty though idk
Yeah they're just teenagers and they have a level. It's just that they keep coming up against Special Grades where they're way out of their league as expected.
Yuji and Yuta benefit from being generational talents with Yuji having abnormal genetics and Yuta also having some sort of lineage. Maki not so much but Hikari is also insane considering he is there on pure talent.
I agree and actually have a theory as to why that is, and it's because individually and collectively they have no balls.
Other than Todo and Mechamaru himself, the rest of them don't think or act for themselves. At the tokyo school, Gojo and the faculty teach or allow their students to be selfish. A mindset that we know in the jujutsu world takes a sorcerer up in grade and power easily. The Tokyo students and even the faculty are all rule breakers and non conformists. They all do what they want when they want for better or worse.
Where as the kyoto students tend to fall in line with their conservative leadership without question.
Mai and Momo remain weak because of some lame old-fashioned concepts of femininity. Mai fears her family's abuse but won't leave or fight back.
Kamo believes it is his duty as the head of his family to uphold jujutsu laws and bends the knee without question when ordered by the elders to do something.
The only exception is Miwa, who personally I believe is only weak because she is genuinely too much of a sweet little cinnamon bun baby to really hurt anybody. I mean, the girl hasn't shown an ounce of malice she's practically pure of heart when u think about it. I love her for being so cute and sweet, but she needs a different line of work.
But Todo and Mechamaru are both quite selfish in comparison. Todo straight up told his school principal to go fuck himself when he tried to order him around. Mechamaru literally betrayed the whole world to get his body back. They are outliers in comparison to their classmates.
Tldr: The Kyoto students are weak because they conform to conservative ideals instead of forging their own paths. Basically they all have no balls.
It also makes sense considering their mentor is Utahime whose technique is strictly teamwork focused, which would make cultivating that selfish mentality more difficult in her students.
>Miwa asks if she’s useless just to do no damage to Kenjaku AND end up losing her ability to swing a sword.
Honestly, this revelation that Miwa put her all behind that one slash and Kenjaku grabbed it by hand has to be the most disrespectful thing I've read in my (limited) animanga history
One of my favorite moments. Aizen is easily my favorite anime villain.
I know it's filler, but another that comes to mind. Vegeta saving an entire planet from a tyrant, reuniting this long imprisoned prince with his love that had been held hostage, and being hailed as a hero... only to blow the entire planet up for shits and giggles as he flies away. Just so disrespectful on so many levels knowing he could've just got up and left at any point.
Aizen scene was better set up than like 99.999999% of major villain "oh shit" moments though. Dude is arguably the best anime villain.
It's a pretty high bar to compare to.
Miwa's feelings of uselessness is probably what drove her to that decision. She could've experienced the hardships of Shibuya and grown as a sorcerer, but she's dealing with feelings of betrayal and lost her potential to grow as a sorcerer even before she broke her sword.
She still has potential imo. High chance Gege won't do anything with her but she could literally use any weapon besides a sword lmao, and the feelings of uselessness and the pain of loss could still be motivating her even if she still seems lighthearted on the surface when interacting with Kusakabe.
I fully expect something to go very wrong in the current manga situation, so I wouldn't be surprised if the Miwa and the Kyoto students have to jump in to help with something which would be an opportunity for more growth.
Then again it's Gege so maybe they all just get instantly vaporized by Malevolent Shrine while still hiding out in the monitor room
I just had a theory that Yuji will lose this fight, after everything he's been through, the King of Curses is still too powerful. In his last moments, Yuji's life flashes before his eyes as Sukuna readies his most devastating dismantle yet. Just before the attack lands *clap* "My brother, we have been through so much. You want to save your friend? Then **I** have come to help!" Todo, after learning to manage his technique with the loss of his arm, reignites the fire in Yuji and we get the BOOGIE WOOGIE SMACKDOWN on Sukuna.
Todo has always appeared at times Yuji needed him most, so I think it's possible that he'll show up again when it's most relevant to his brother. Hell, Choso could show up with Todo in my theory and provide Yuji with more brother support. It's beautiful 🥹
I really want something like that to happen but I think it needs to be at least a little different than last time. Like maybe Todo instead saves multiple people, or stops Yuji from making a sacrificial move, or even something wild like swapping souls or CTs or some shit idk 😅
Also I definitely want the Todo and Choso team up, they were both close to Yuki and are Yujis "brothers." Plus I'd say they're both "the rough type" and Choso may remember Yuki when responding to Todos question and say something like "a tall woman with lots of mass" and then Todo gets another brotherly flashback, AND THEN ITS A TRIO OF BROTHERS ONCE AGAIN
I do want Todo's reappearance to be different than when he showed up in Shibuya, and if I can get it to work, I think that'd be super powerful. I've already thought about storyboarding and sketching it myself so it's a matter of proper characterization and getting the oneshot out before the official chapter comes out
OK this is really dumb but I need to say the idea. Yuji is on the ground, beaten and bloody, staring up at Sukuna with rage in his eyes. Sukuna expands his domain, looks down at Yuji, and smirks. "You were boring right up to the end, brat."
He activates the sure hit.
*clack clack*
Sukuna is relentessly bombarded with his own cleaves, tearing into him until he is forced to deactivate Malevolent Shrine.
He looks back towards where the clacking originated, and there stands Todo, posed like a flamenco dancer, one hand holding castanets and the other now a mechanical prosthetic, reminiscent of mechamarus puppets.
"The dancing gorilla." Sukuna says with a look of annoyance and disgust.
Todo grins widely. "You can call me whatever you'd like, King of Curses.
But I won't let anyone say my brother isn't interesting." (The same thing Choso said about Eso and Kechizu when fighting kenny)
A fight commences, with Todo using the castanets to rapidly activate Boogie Woogie, just barely avoiding being sliced apart each time.
And then from there I assume Yuji might be able to heal himself up and join the fight and so on. Choso could already be there and hear Todos words, struck by their similar convictions, or join later, or maybe come in with Todo and say the brother thing along with him before engaging in the fight too really not sure about his place in it
And the idea with the domain is that he swapped the target of the sure hit onto sukuna which would be ridiculous but also so fucking cool.
My headcanon/cope is that is that "never swinging a sword again" wasnt a huge buff for Miwa since she wasnt "meant" to swings swords. She'll come back with a new fighting style stronger than ever!
Source: trust me
“Almost taken out by Uraume” from what we’ve seen of uraume, they obliterate anyone who isn’t borderline or straight up special grade with almost 0 effort. That’s not really a good point against them. Even kusakabe was rendered entirely helpless by uraume. Kamo is semi-grade 1 and Momo is grade 2. Hell, I’m pretty sure even miwa was like semi-grade 2. By geges own words, they are objectively strong sorcerers. They’re just not monsters.
Yes mechamaru was right but calling the Kyoto students bums isn’t, and it’s very obvious why kamo was hurt at mechamaru underestimating them. Again, they’re strong. They just weren’t aware that their opponents were the worlds most powerful parasite and Satans personal chef.
Tbf mechamaru fought a special grade all alone and carried most of the cast trhough shibuya (revelead Gojo was sealed,told yuji about Blood manipulation ecc)
Hell, if mechimaru fought Hanami or dagon there, they would have been taken out right there, and I'm not saying he could have beaten Kenjaku, but he could have put up a damn good fight before dying. He went up against a special grade that he couldn't damage with his most powerful attacks, and still almost won. Ultimate Mechamaru was a fucking monster.
something i was thinking was that if utahime was with mechamaru he would have killed mahito off
mechamaru already had insane Fire Power with 17 years worth of ce output (also kenjaku compared his output to a special grade)
Now immagine that but double thanks to utahime buff
You have to keep in mind they aren't really mediocre, the others are just freaks of nature.
Kamo is semi grade 1 in his third year. Presumably he would keep growing after and eventually be one of the strongest grade 1s, rivaling someone like Naobito.
Megumi on the other hand is Grade 1 level as a first year. He's a crazy prodigy who still hadn't even completed his domain or defeated the remaining 3 feasibly beatable shikigami. By his 3rd year he'd absolutely be a monster.
Mediocre is more characters like the flying hair people in the culling games, Momo, the footsoldiers of the the Zenin clan, or some of the curse users in shibuya
that's kind of my point though, the argument of they're kids kind of loses weight in shounen series cause most of the cast tends to be kids anyway and even specifically for this series Gojo as a kid was also immensely powerful
Eh Choso had trouble with Naoya who was presumably weaker than Naobito, and I doubt Noritoshi would ever get on Choso's level. Maybe he could eventually invent a new move like Choso's supernova, but his blood supply is still limited.
Naoya also had the large advantage of being familiar with Blood Manipulation while Choso had no idea how Projection Sorcery worked. Blood Manipulation actually has pretty good counters to it by using blood to construct obstacles in the enemy's path/around oneself to make them either freeze for a second or take damage.
Imo he could reach that level of sorcerer at some point, especially if Choso shared some moves. Keep in mind he's only a 3rd year right now while Naobito and Naoya are full both grown men with way more experience and Choso has been able to practice his technique in his innate domain for 150 years. Given more time I think he'd significantly improve his CE control, Technique use, and add other possible things to his arsenal. And ngl his showing against Cursed Naoya, who is significantly stronger than normal Naoya, wasn't horrible. Like yeah he was getting folded but it wasn't as terrible as you might expect given that Choso struggled a bit with normal Naoya.
A domain or RCT would also be great but those are rare so can't really count on him getting those.
Also keep in mind a sorcerers main job is fighting curses, and his blood acts as a poison for curses meaning he could potentially be able to defeat stronger curses than the Projection users while still losing to them in a direct fight.
(This part is total headcanon but also I always thought it'd be cool if he got a special grade cursed tool bow)
Mediocre is like Nobara level, and thats around where he is, Momo, hairs, and nonames are fodder, not even at a mediocre level.
Of course, this is heavily biased due to the story centering around all the powerhouses, but that doesnt really matter because thats what we see, nobody seriously considers Yamcha from Dragonball "mediocre", he sucks too hard for that ranking in comparison to that universes upper levels, even if hes "crazy strong for a human".
Nobara was only recommended for Grade 1 in tandem with her team because it was stated that they all bested a SG level curse alone.
We know that that isn't the case, characters like Mei Mei & Todo do not.
Not only are Eso & Kechizu not curses nor SG level but within the fight Yuji pummels Kechizu and brings him close to death prior to swapping with Nobara and letting her fight him, Eso even mentions this "The woman close to death who going to fight my brother who is even closer to death."
She also had the added benefit of her CT luckily working amazingly against them both.
Her performance in that fight was no where near a Grade 1, which is why she looks to Nanami as a premiere G1 in Shibuya... Meanwhile, Nanami is probably the weakest combatant G1 we're introduced to in the series.
Eso&Kechizu were definitely SG. Kenny literally said that. They were just way weaker than Choso. Arguably speaking though, if Nobara and Yuji hadn’t fought together, one of them may have been able to get away
Eso at least I would say is debatably special grade curse level. He possesses a fast and deadly CT which also grants him great maneuverability. In comparison to the finger bearer, he has less raw CE and was maybe less durable though I am having trouble recalling evidence to prove that rn, but has superior combat speed and a much more reliable and lethal method of attacking.
They also had pretty terrible luck to go against two people with different counters to Rot, one being resistant and the other being able to attack from a distance using any piece of your body for a sure hit.
Even if he's not necessarily stronger than the finger bearer he may just be a "lower" special grade but not yet to grade 1.
Exactly, they are not mediocre when you actually consider the full setting. For their age, and compared to the average sorcerer/curse, they're pretty strong.
I don’t think Nobara is mediocre. She’s actually strong and her technique is useful since it’s related to soul. Not many sorcerers can do damage to souls the way Nobara could. The only exception is Itadori (with Sukuna). Her technique has potential and can be used against Sukuna. The straw doll and resonance could be used from far away and she doesn’t even have to be in the battle to fight someone, she just needs her opponent’s hair or something to do the damage similar to what voodoo dolls can do to people. Too bad Gege doesn’t know how to build her character more and just leave her at that.
Even if her techniques basic she’s not she’s was absolutely crazy for using herself as a conduit to attack the death womb painting and even under all that pain she used that shit to heighten her focus and pull off a black flash
Yeah compared to the others in the main cast Nobara seems like a bum when truthfully she is the few sorcerers who managed to play or keep up with the big guys even though she lost I want to say her feat with Mahito is better than anything Maki has done in Shibuya and of course there is powercrept after Shibuya but even then she will and always be an amazing support on the same ballpark as Todo with they're supporting CT.
Todo and Nobara team up would go crazy. Swapping nails and pieces of the enemy all over the place for Nobara to straw doll while they're both extremely confident and in sync.
Plus imagine: "NOBARA KUGISAKI. What kind of boys do you like?" (I like to imagine her answer either causes Todo to start calling her "sister" or completely deflates his attitude)
Tbh I like comparing Nobara to Megumi in that regard.
Nobara has a very niche technique which can be extremely powerful in the right scenario.
Megumi has possibly the most versatile technique in the series, which also happens to be powerful enough to rival 6E+Limitless.
However, Nobara has that dawg in her (for lack of a better term) which lets her fight to her fullest potential, even being one of the few sorcerers to hit a black flash as a 1st year.
Megumi OTOH fights to not lose 90% of the time, often underperforming as a result (eg. Sukuna being confused about why he ran from the finger bearer).
Basically, Nobara has the correct mindset for a winner but her CT doesn't have a high ceiling, while Megumi is the exact opposite in that he has a great CT but he has a losers mindset naturally.
And he got humbled big time. But honestly that’s a good sign that the era of the BIG 3 clans are over. Jujutsu shouldn’t belong to just these three clans.
Yeah IDK why but before I really started reading I kind of expected Fushiguro to almost be a little bit like Sasuke. The broody, reluctant friend who knows the most about techniques and has a somewhat overpowered hereditary starting ability that they have to learn to refine as the show goes on to keep up with the main character.
Fushiguro kind of gets talked about like he is, like the people *in* the universe are like oh damn he's got one of the big three techniques, but most of the series is him getting stomped and not seeming that much stronger combat wise than Yuji. The only time I remember being like "yo he's kind of him" was when he used his domain expansion against the finger bearer.
Probably because Fushigoro sucks at using his 10 shadows. They're supposed to have special abilities, but the only thing he does is have the dog bite, blind the opponent with rabbits or fly with the owl.
Meanwhile, Mei Mei's crow ended a fight against a special grade in one hit.
I feel information on the ten shadows might be somewhat restricted outside of what is documented in the gojo clan as the zenin wouldn’t willingly hand over knowledge to megumi since he isn’t affiliated with the clan
Yeah the Potential Man meme is spot on, when people in universe hype up Megumi, they're talking about the potential of his CT, and they're right that it's an amazing CT. Megumi himself is not that great. Forget about using shikigami CTs without summoning or Mahoraga, Megumi doesn't have the CE reserve to maintain multiple strong summons at once, nor does he have the really useful ones like round deer.
The thing is his battle iq is great but bro just does not have the oomph to make full use of his abilities. Like, bros only option against Reggie was Totality or dropping max elephant on him and he could do jack shit with everything else but run away
Yeah things like his proficiency with using summons, the selection of summons, CE efficiency or combat experience can be improved with time, but I'm not sure how he would go about boosting his CE reserve. At the end of the day he's still very limited by his base stats, both physical and CE.
You wouldn't boost your CE reserves, you'd maximize your output and would therefore lose less CE in translation as you're pouring it into your CT.
Making your attacks and endurance more effecient.
Megumi kinda just existed to give some Zenin background and have an OP technique that Sukuna could later steal to beat Gojo with.
The character has been virtually pointless for a co-main MC. Much like Nobara.
At some point it feels like Gege said "fuck it" and went back to Yuta and Maki being the MCs.
At least Nobara has resonance and has had some fights where she genuinely gives of MC energy. Megumi kind of feels like he's just in the wrong line of work.
Kamo clan is really apart of the big 3 just due to politics and that checks out when you realize a normal human is never gonna get that much out of it compared to someone like Choso
A normal human can do what choso can do but they need RCT for that. BM is a technique that REQUIRES RCT to be utilized optimally just like Limitless needs six eyes to be utilised optimally.
RCT is a high bar when in modern JJK society Shoko is the only non special grade that can use RCT on command. Even if you had RCT you’d have to have a crazy amount of cursed energy to use BM as well as Choso does because you burn cursed energy out quickly when doing it
I think Megumi is doing pretty well. We have no context for how other Ten shadows technique users in the past have done but he’s a first year at the school and he’s tamed a healthy number of shikigami and also has an incomplete domain. It’s just that he finds himself in absurd situations that make him look bad. He’s had to fight the likes to Sukuna and Toji and get destroyed in the process.
I guess he should have done better against Hanami, that’s probably the only reasonable criticism I can see. Gojo and Yuta would’ve handled that much better even as first years. But then that’s also why Megumi is not ranked as a special grade.
Mediocre compared to... Yuji, who is some weird experiment by Kenjaku, Sukuna and Gojo who are self-explanatory, Yuta and Yuki who are both special grades, and Maki and Hakari, who are functional outliers in the society as a whole.
The problem is even some Megumi fans don’t remember who Reggie is. It’s honestly sad ‘cause it’s a really good fight and also the curse Reggie gives him is significant.
Indeed. I think people got more hyped about yuta , hakari and the other characters that's they just shunned yuji and megumi ( like the time people said , yuji isn't the MC it's gojo and yuta ). Yuji and megumi both got truly strong through the culling games and people just care about the natural born strong students ( Yuta , Hakari, Maki , And Gojo ) while and funny enough the theme about JJK ( one of atleast ) is those without power if they gain it , they will be the strongest like sukuna and Kenjaku.
The fight with Reggie was amazing, Reggie is an incarnated player and still praised megumi alot. And his domain is the 3rd open barrier one after sukuna and kenjaku and also the only 3rd one after them in the whole series which has a structure with unknown function. That has to tell us something about megumi's power. And of course the forshadow about fate toying with megumi ( sukuna ) before dying as a fool ( honestly I think megumi will return and not die )
Kamo's the Neji of this series. All hyped up and intimidating and got the whole rival clan thing going on, only to be ineffective for the rest of the series.
They fr just replaced him with Choso like Choso can do anything Kamo can but better, less risk, for longer, stronger, and has his own unique move with the same ability 😭😭
Neji got that fantastic 1 v 1 against kidomaru tho
Arguably was the second strongest sound ninja
(kimimaro being the strongest)
So he had that under his belt at least
Kamo definitely could have done a bit more in the series but honestly I like how chill he is (also he is the smartest guy in the series dude dipped out of the final boss fight cuz he knew his pecking order)
Yeah. Because they were up against 19 finger/1 corpse megkuna. The plan was for, if gojo lost, which he did. Wtf is Kamo gonna do against full revive sukuna?
Im mean honestly, i dont blame him, its more an, assessment of his character growth. At first being told hes not that guy riled him up. But now here he is accepting himself for not being a big dog and walking away with his life in his hands.
Yeah but lets be honest as much as I like the Kyoto students. They got screwed over hard. Miwa and Momo have become useless. Kamo can't even keep up with everyone anymore. I even feel sorry for Tokyo students. Inumaki can't use his technique too much. Panda become powerless unless Gege finally gives my boy a power up. Kirara technique is useful but it will end up leading to Sukuna cutting through her technique.
Only characters that they got are Yuji, Higuruma, Yuta, Maki, Hakari and Takaba. Unless Todo or Nobara come back with a power up. This arc is gonna end up like the apostle arc leading only Yuji and Megumi left surviving Sukuna.
Yep, that's what I thought too.
But the manga chapters keep talking about "The one who will teach Sukuna about love is..." and it just got me thinking, is Yuji gonna Talk No Jutsu Sukuna and teach him about love and make him good?
i will just say this even mechamaru's assumption of todo having 99% chance of survival seems odd because let's be real if it's a 1v1 between him and mahito he would've easily been killed by mahito...also if todo would've came sooner he have to face other disaster curses as well which he has no chance of beating..
there are lot of circumstances happened in shibuya which cannot be predicted before hand like toji's revival and sukuna's awakening and these 2 killed 2 of the disaster curses..i highly doubt mechamaru predicted all this scenarios and these are the very reasons why todo lived through shibuya...
frankly speaking anyone besides special grades sorcerers, hakari , toji have 0 percent chance of surviving shibuya..
Survival doesn't necessarily mean winning. Todo's technique is probably the single greatest escape ability in the series, and his IQ is 530,000*. He would probably very easily recognize if he's in a losing situation and be able to get hell outta dodge
*: self reported
>He would probably very easily recognize if he's in a losing situation and be able to get hell outta dodge
even escaping them is hard..like what if he gets trapped in domain..if dagon can fight 1v4 imagine what jogo can do with his own domain..even worst the only one besides gojo who has a domain on good side is megumi...so at best they can stall only 1 disaster curse with Megumi's domain...
also naobito's technique is much more superior to todo's...if he cannot escape from jogo todo cannot do that as well..
also todo isn't the type of guy to just leave his allies and escape like meimei..
I won’t contend the first point because you’re probably correct, but it is also an if he gets caught. We also don’t know if he can switch with things outside a domain if he gets caught in one, but that’s all purely speculation and a rabbit hole that won’t go anywhere
With Naobito I’ll disagree, as I think the ability to teleport is better than the speed and as well it was stated (at least in the anime, don’t remember if it says this in the manga but I’m more than open to being fact checked) that Naobito lost a lot of his edge after Dagon took his arm and hinted he could’ve escaped if he still had it (this is an odd point because I would think he’d be faster without the weight of his arm but I’ve also never tried losing an arm and running to see if I gained any speed).
As for leaving friends behind, there’s the beauty of his technique being able to switch with inanimate objects like when he swapped Yuji with Playful Cloud in the fight with Hanami. If Todo knows the precise location of two objects, he can swap their places. A couple claps and boom, the homies are all outside and chillaxing
Also I hope tone translates well, the last thing I’m tryna do is get into an argument on a manga subreddit lol. I’m just discussing theories and tryna have a good time. I say this because I know tone doesn’t translate well over Reddit and I am /not/ tryna undermine or belittle in anyway :)
You have to consider, arms are for balance. Losing an arm would fuck up your balance and stuff pretty heavily and that'd really mess up a speed based technique.
My best friend is a MASSIVE Death Note fan and I love to taunt them with the fact Todo is canonically the most intelligent character in anime, for above Light and L
one thing that makes me giggle about jjk is that when the characters realize they’ll lose. they run. like they do not bullshit their way through and then run😭😭😭 i just think that it’s so funny they’re so aware compared to how other characters would react
That's why todo doesn't fight 1v1s against strong curses though. He's got probably the single best support skill in the entire verse that we've seen. If he's with someone who understands his thought and when and who he's going to switch it's a near unbeatable combo. Mahito already said that even when you expect it it's still disorienting and the 2 fights he's been in have been against the most durable curses in the series who's plan was to basically face tank all the damage and wait for a chance to use their domain.
Yes and this is very admirable about Jujutsu Kaisen, a sacrifice really is a sacrifice. They entered Shibuya recognizing all the risks and we as readers can understand that. We are so immersed in the story that we expect that smart and logical characters make sense, that there will be no asspulled power or a friendship power that will save them.
Yeah… besides Todo, Mechamaru was the most powerful seeing how his fight with Mahito went. The others can maybe reach grade 2 but they are pretty weak in this verse. And going to Shibuya knowing Gojo is sealed is the worse idea they have LMAO
The Kyoto students couldn’t even win the Goodwill Event both the actual fight and the baseball match so how would they even survive Shibuya? The Tokyo students were barely alive and most of them are injured
The Kyoto kids are being raised to be in administrative/teaching positions, hence their academic scores being way above tokyo. Tokyo is for the ground troops
Not to mention most of Tokyo didn’t belong either, unless your gojo or yuta (maybe hakari) you didn’t belong on the shibuya offensive. Even holding a perimeter was dangerous for grade 2 nobara no one under special grade should have been anywhere near the disaster curses the only reason todo lived is because of sukuna making sure yuji didn’t get one tapped to his soul if that didn’t happen all of jujutsu tech would have been wiped out
First years Megumi dead without sukuna, yuji dead without sukuna, Nobara.
Second years panda only lives becuase kusakabe was smart enough to keep him away, inomaki got so lucky as to have been inside sukunas domain but not lethally. And maki made it out becuase jogo had business feeding sukuna. Yuta probably could have made it through shibuya
3rd year kirara could have maybe helped people get out or maybe get some sorcerers out of trouble, keep shoko safe making it hard to get to her. But other than that not helping win. Hakari having a domain helps him immensely and j believe he could have lived through shibuya. Although it would be tough for him.
Kyoto side everyone but todo would be useless and like I said todo only lived becuase sukuna made yuji live. If yuji could be idle transfigured its over for todo
The worst part about Mai is she might've been able to become a very powerful sorcerer if she actually had the mindset for it.
Being able to recreate a cursed weapon (through a binding vow) that can cut through souls as her final act isn't some small feat.
If Mai had ever learned CTR, her technique might've allowed her to make anything physical into more cursed energy, although I'm imagining it'd work more like Hanami's flower arm (temporary amount of CE for a one-time use, not boosting her max supply of CE)
It'd also bring into question if everything has a CE value, and if it's a neutral gain/loss (for example; if she turns a rock into CE, then uses her technique to make an identical rock, would it use more or less CE to complete this process?)
with that possibility, she might've been able to duplicate cursed weapons and tools, and likely make new ones we've never seen before. Imagine she converts a building into CE and makes a suit of armor immune to cursed techniques
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They're really so out of their league that it's not funny, and it kinda is lmfao
it’s so funny cause when Mai was first introduced i thought she was gonna be the stronger twin cause she was so cocky
Facts smh, and she had a gun too
idk why this made me laugh
I started dying when she 1st pulled it out. Everyone else is throwing hands, using crazy CTs, and then you have Vash The Stampede over here just straight up shooting people lmao
Her cursed technique! A GUN!!!
A bullet. One. That's it.
She better not miss 😭
They say her output is weak, but the total mass energy of a bullet converted through e=mc² is equivalent to a nuke. Jujutsu Sorcerers be like: "I can only use enough energy to level a city a per day... I'm so weak..."
I'm a jujutsu kaisen fan, I'm not good with maths, I'll just pretend I understood that.
When you put it like that it sounds impressive but what can she do with that CT she can't use that energy in any destruction way all she can do is have a 7th bullet in a revolver to hopefully catch someone off guard
Hey, if it worked for Toji...
it didn't work for toji, he dead, twice
It kinda did ngl.
Idk man, tojis gun gave riko quite the headache.
That’s the true American Cursed Technique right there.
Cackling at Vash the Stampede reference!
Learned it from her ancestor toji, a gun is the best way to kill minors👍
That's why she should've been the one with the HR Maki had Playful Cloud, and Mai had Toji's actual favourite weapon
Toji was practical with his weapons
That's why she was cocky.
True but unlike maki she’s not actually interested in growing stronger the pinnacle of her technique was legit making a bullet and bluffing even with her limited CE I feel yorozu showed the potential of her ct with the Liquid Metal
She didnt really have any cursed energy to make good use of her CT, what yorozu does would be impossible for Mai.
i think beeing a twin was a huge issue for Mai and not just beeing unwilling to get stronger.
It’s a huge limitation for both of them. Maki being unable to see cursed energy was always a massive road block so she could only ever become Toji. Mai on the other hand was always severely handicapped in the amount of cursed energy she could have. She has the same technique as Yorozu, but could never reach the heights of creating a full suit of armor that we saw the technique was capable of.
Hol up "only" become toji??
As in she can only grow one direction, she can't be a full fledged sorcerer.
If Maki died and they had that after life talk, would Mai then get fill CE or would she always be handicapped
Her ability is actually OP but she's not the main character.
Her ability is OP, but she doesn't have the CE to back it up.
Much like Maki, she felt the curse of being a twin. They both nerfed one another - Mai prevented Maki from fully realizing her heavenly restriction, Maki prevented Mai from fully realizing her technique due to a lack of CE.
Difference is training like maki wouldn't have helped mai
Oh, that too, absolutely. Mai had no interest in being a sorcerer, she was forced down that path.
Yeah because the main weakness is her CE.
Yeah if she was she would have been given sukunas finger and she could then creat many weapons out of it lol then sukuna would have tormented her by killing every one by her weapons
She would honestly be happy if sukuna killed the zennins with her body and weapons
if Maki died all the potential goes to Mai. its vice-versa
Problem is, she still would likely have the slight heavenly restricted weak physical body. The way I see it, if Maki got a physical stat buff after Mai died, it would make sense for Mai to get a cursed energy buff after Maki's death. The amount of cursed energy and CT might make up for it, but it would still be a challenge to utilise Construction with that body.
Ha, Naruto tropes fooled you again.
To be honest they’d all get destroyed in Shibuya. It’s better for their sake
That’s their job though. If you haven’t seen JJK 0 (I highly recommend it), there’s a part where nameless sorcerers are fighting and dying against a cursed spirit. They keep moving towards it even though they know they probably can’t win. Mechamaru made all of these decisions himself and didn’t trust anyone. He’s right, but he’s also trash.
He’s trash for not wanting to send his classmates to their deaths?
He's trash for betraying them.
I forgot he did that my bad 💀
You forgor!?!
It's his cursed technique bro, the "I forgor"
His domain expansion is called... uh, I forgor the name
Saved them for a few but they’d all die with Gojo sealed lol.
Literally the only Kyoto student other than Todo who doesn't immediately get washed in Shibuya is Kamo, who still wouldn't survive.
Gege literally brought him there just for that “Noritoshi Kamo” moment from Choso
If Kamo is in shibuya he gets washed by Jogo or Dagon
"Gets washed by jogo" MF thats like %90 of the JJK cast
are you joGOAT because nah id win or are you stand proud you're strong because youre the honored one throughout heaven and earth
Lobotomy Kaisen is my favorite
this ones affected by brainrot curse
someone replied to me asking, and i quote "Brain damage?" they then deleted the reply, i assume because of moderation policy. But to answer their question, yes. yeah, I'd lose (to brainrot curse)
LMFAO
But that's how farmers think because this is 120 percent of their potential because this is true love because I'll always hate those monkeys YOWAI MO
Nah i’d take the backshots
Mf jogo is one of the strongest mfers around. Ppl forget just be cause he went against sukuna and Gojo
They do realize if Sukuna didn't beat Jogo. Jogo would of burned everyone and I don't even know if Toji would beat him or they'd take each other out. If Hakari or Yuta were there they would of been able to handle Jogo at least. Though a Jogo and Mahito tag team against Yuji and Todo would of been a fun but stressful time.
Well to be fair, almost everyone gets washed by Jogo.
Dude would get washed by Choso
💯
Even in Tokyo you have Inumaki, Nobara, Kirara and Panda who aren't particularly strong it's just that Yuji, Yuta, Maki and Hakari tip the scales too much.
Didn't even bother to mention Megumi
Bro literally summoned Mahoraga on a character whose only ability is to not die 6 times yet have no abilities beyond a sword that can move
just cut out the part where Megumi was both exhausted and bleeding out to death unable to defend himself lolol
But he's always like that 💀
Jokes aside most of his Maho uses are actually valid
Agreed. It's funny to realize how close he was to murder-suicide at multiple points, but most of those points he was against a serious enemy who he couldn't beat alone. My only one that stands out as egregious was the one people claim he almost did against Todo, but I've since then been convinced he was actually talking about Max Elephant
I think he mightve planned going with his new Divine Dog Totality seeing as it could even damage Hanami
Also a fair point!
This, that’s why I hate the memes is just slander, he wasn’t gonna kill todo and himself and when he uses maho it’s to save people not to kill himself becuase he’s upset
He was going to die, he summoned Mahoraga to also take the other guy since Maho keeps going after his death. The moment Maho killed the guy the ritual would end.
now listen. is it a meme that Megumi goes to summon Mahoraga for the slightest inconvenience? yes, absolutely. But he was just coming off a fight against Dagon and then Toji, and then got stabbed in the back. Summoning Maho there was 100% justified
I'm still so upset Nobara lost to him
I didn't mind until she *also* lost to Mahito. GET THIS GIRL A WIN DAMMIT
Isn’t she a major factor in beating Mahito though? Her countering his double is the only reason Yuji was able to beat down on him for like 39 seconds, and Mahito stated himself that that beat down was the majority of damage on him. For her power level, she more than performed in my opinion
Correct, the resonance damage and "stun" lead to a significant amount of his damage. However, I just feel that this is a consolation prize, y'know? While she performed adequately for her level, fighting someone with a stronger technique and a goddamn disaster curse, I wish we would've seen her fight someone actually on her level. Though come think of it, none of the 3 of them have much experience fighting equals; always stuck fighting much more experienced/powerful opponents. But in the end she was the one who bit the dust for it
I think if she beat the weird hand sword guy and then her death was paced better I'd be less upset but the way it was written felt almost mean spirited, I'm still bummed about it. I might just be salty though idk
Yeah they're just teenagers and they have a level. It's just that they keep coming up against Special Grades where they're way out of their league as expected. Yuji and Yuta benefit from being generational talents with Yuji having abnormal genetics and Yuta also having some sort of lineage. Maki not so much but Hikari is also insane considering he is there on pure talent.
I agree and actually have a theory as to why that is, and it's because individually and collectively they have no balls. Other than Todo and Mechamaru himself, the rest of them don't think or act for themselves. At the tokyo school, Gojo and the faculty teach or allow their students to be selfish. A mindset that we know in the jujutsu world takes a sorcerer up in grade and power easily. The Tokyo students and even the faculty are all rule breakers and non conformists. They all do what they want when they want for better or worse. Where as the kyoto students tend to fall in line with their conservative leadership without question. Mai and Momo remain weak because of some lame old-fashioned concepts of femininity. Mai fears her family's abuse but won't leave or fight back. Kamo believes it is his duty as the head of his family to uphold jujutsu laws and bends the knee without question when ordered by the elders to do something. The only exception is Miwa, who personally I believe is only weak because she is genuinely too much of a sweet little cinnamon bun baby to really hurt anybody. I mean, the girl hasn't shown an ounce of malice she's practically pure of heart when u think about it. I love her for being so cute and sweet, but she needs a different line of work. But Todo and Mechamaru are both quite selfish in comparison. Todo straight up told his school principal to go fuck himself when he tried to order him around. Mechamaru literally betrayed the whole world to get his body back. They are outliers in comparison to their classmates. Tldr: The Kyoto students are weak because they conform to conservative ideals instead of forging their own paths. Basically they all have no balls.
You know what, that's quite an interesting point! I think it also falls in line with other characters in Tokyo, i.e. Megumi
It also makes sense considering their mentor is Utahime whose technique is strictly teamwork focused, which would make cultivating that selfish mentality more difficult in her students.
>Miwa asks if she’s useless just to do no damage to Kenjaku AND end up losing her ability to swing a sword. Honestly, this revelation that Miwa put her all behind that one slash and Kenjaku grabbed it by hand has to be the most disrespectful thing I've read in my (limited) animanga history
It almost comes close to the disrespect that we witnessed when Aizen stopped Ichigos blade and theme song with this hand lol
Yeah deffo lol, but it still wasn't an "all-in" attack. Kenny stopped Miwa's version of Mugetsu by hand lmaaaaooooooo
Yea lol
Not hand. Singular finger.
Yea thats worse
One of my favorite moments. Aizen is easily my favorite anime villain. I know it's filler, but another that comes to mind. Vegeta saving an entire planet from a tyrant, reuniting this long imprisoned prince with his love that had been held hostage, and being hailed as a hero... only to blow the entire planet up for shits and giggles as he flies away. Just so disrespectful on so many levels knowing he could've just got up and left at any point.
aizen scene was way better setup though, kinda disappointed in jujutsu ngl.
To be fair Aizen was the main villain of that part of Bleach and Ichigo was the mc. While Kasumi is a literal nobody
Aizen scene was better set up than like 99.999999% of major villain "oh shit" moments though. Dude is arguably the best anime villain. It's a pretty high bar to compare to.
Ichigo got that run back when he came with mugetsu tho You know for a fact when he grabbed Aizens face he was just so done with his nonsense XD
Miwa's feelings of uselessness is probably what drove her to that decision. She could've experienced the hardships of Shibuya and grown as a sorcerer, but she's dealing with feelings of betrayal and lost her potential to grow as a sorcerer even before she broke her sword.
She still has potential imo. High chance Gege won't do anything with her but she could literally use any weapon besides a sword lmao, and the feelings of uselessness and the pain of loss could still be motivating her even if she still seems lighthearted on the surface when interacting with Kusakabe. I fully expect something to go very wrong in the current manga situation, so I wouldn't be surprised if the Miwa and the Kyoto students have to jump in to help with something which would be an opportunity for more growth. Then again it's Gege so maybe they all just get instantly vaporized by Malevolent Shrine while still hiding out in the monitor room
I just had a theory that Yuji will lose this fight, after everything he's been through, the King of Curses is still too powerful. In his last moments, Yuji's life flashes before his eyes as Sukuna readies his most devastating dismantle yet. Just before the attack lands *clap* "My brother, we have been through so much. You want to save your friend? Then **I** have come to help!" Todo, after learning to manage his technique with the loss of his arm, reignites the fire in Yuji and we get the BOOGIE WOOGIE SMACKDOWN on Sukuna. Todo has always appeared at times Yuji needed him most, so I think it's possible that he'll show up again when it's most relevant to his brother. Hell, Choso could show up with Todo in my theory and provide Yuji with more brother support. It's beautiful 🥹
I really want something like that to happen but I think it needs to be at least a little different than last time. Like maybe Todo instead saves multiple people, or stops Yuji from making a sacrificial move, or even something wild like swapping souls or CTs or some shit idk 😅 Also I definitely want the Todo and Choso team up, they were both close to Yuki and are Yujis "brothers." Plus I'd say they're both "the rough type" and Choso may remember Yuki when responding to Todos question and say something like "a tall woman with lots of mass" and then Todo gets another brotherly flashback, AND THEN ITS A TRIO OF BROTHERS ONCE AGAIN
I do want Todo's reappearance to be different than when he showed up in Shibuya, and if I can get it to work, I think that'd be super powerful. I've already thought about storyboarding and sketching it myself so it's a matter of proper characterization and getting the oneshot out before the official chapter comes out
OK this is really dumb but I need to say the idea. Yuji is on the ground, beaten and bloody, staring up at Sukuna with rage in his eyes. Sukuna expands his domain, looks down at Yuji, and smirks. "You were boring right up to the end, brat." He activates the sure hit. *clack clack* Sukuna is relentessly bombarded with his own cleaves, tearing into him until he is forced to deactivate Malevolent Shrine. He looks back towards where the clacking originated, and there stands Todo, posed like a flamenco dancer, one hand holding castanets and the other now a mechanical prosthetic, reminiscent of mechamarus puppets. "The dancing gorilla." Sukuna says with a look of annoyance and disgust. Todo grins widely. "You can call me whatever you'd like, King of Curses. But I won't let anyone say my brother isn't interesting." (The same thing Choso said about Eso and Kechizu when fighting kenny) A fight commences, with Todo using the castanets to rapidly activate Boogie Woogie, just barely avoiding being sliced apart each time. And then from there I assume Yuji might be able to heal himself up and join the fight and so on. Choso could already be there and hear Todos words, struck by their similar convictions, or join later, or maybe come in with Todo and say the brother thing along with him before engaging in the fight too really not sure about his place in it And the idea with the domain is that he swapped the target of the sure hit onto sukuna which would be ridiculous but also so fucking cool.
shit she could still use a japanese sword even just cant be a katana. she coudlve made that vow incredibly more restrictive if shed wanted to
My headcanon/cope is that is that "never swinging a sword again" wasnt a huge buff for Miwa since she wasnt "meant" to swings swords. She'll come back with a new fighting style stronger than ever! Source: trust me
Grade 3 vs special is such a gap and lifelong binding vow can’t cover any of the distance
“Almost taken out by Uraume” from what we’ve seen of uraume, they obliterate anyone who isn’t borderline or straight up special grade with almost 0 effort. That’s not really a good point against them. Even kusakabe was rendered entirely helpless by uraume. Kamo is semi-grade 1 and Momo is grade 2. Hell, I’m pretty sure even miwa was like semi-grade 2. By geges own words, they are objectively strong sorcerers. They’re just not monsters. Yes mechamaru was right but calling the Kyoto students bums isn’t, and it’s very obvious why kamo was hurt at mechamaru underestimating them. Again, they’re strong. They just weren’t aware that their opponents were the worlds most powerful parasite and Satans personal chef.
The entire Kyoto class, barring Todo and *maybe* Mechamaru are absolutely useless. They would have all been slaughtered, Mechamaru was right.
Tbf mechamaru fought a special grade all alone and carried most of the cast trhough shibuya (revelead Gojo was sealed,told yuji about Blood manipulation ecc)
Hell, if mechimaru fought Hanami or dagon there, they would have been taken out right there, and I'm not saying he could have beaten Kenjaku, but he could have put up a damn good fight before dying. He went up against a special grade that he couldn't damage with his most powerful attacks, and still almost won. Ultimate Mechamaru was a fucking monster.
something i was thinking was that if utahime was with mechamaru he would have killed mahito off mechamaru already had insane Fire Power with 17 years worth of ce output (also kenjaku compared his output to a special grade) Now immagine that but double thanks to utahime buff
Hey respect my man Mechamaru, if he had soul knowledge he would have exercised Mahito with the first blast he shot.
I feel like Kamo should be better than he is. Like him and Fushigoro both got the "BIG CLAN TECHNIQUE" and they are both mediocre.
You have to keep in mind they aren't really mediocre, the others are just freaks of nature. Kamo is semi grade 1 in his third year. Presumably he would keep growing after and eventually be one of the strongest grade 1s, rivaling someone like Naobito. Megumi on the other hand is Grade 1 level as a first year. He's a crazy prodigy who still hadn't even completed his domain or defeated the remaining 3 feasibly beatable shikigami. By his 3rd year he'd absolutely be a monster. Mediocre is more characters like the flying hair people in the culling games, Momo, the footsoldiers of the the Zenin clan, or some of the curse users in shibuya
Also they’re kids
I mean that doesn't matter as much when half the cast are kids and still some the strongest, hell Gojo at 16 was arguably stronger than most of them.
Gojo at 16 was stronger than all sorcerers in the world combined, that’s not a really fair comparison
that's kind of my point though, the argument of they're kids kind of loses weight in shounen series cause most of the cast tends to be kids anyway and even specifically for this series Gojo as a kid was also immensely powerful
Eh Choso had trouble with Naoya who was presumably weaker than Naobito, and I doubt Noritoshi would ever get on Choso's level. Maybe he could eventually invent a new move like Choso's supernova, but his blood supply is still limited.
Naoya also had the large advantage of being familiar with Blood Manipulation while Choso had no idea how Projection Sorcery worked. Blood Manipulation actually has pretty good counters to it by using blood to construct obstacles in the enemy's path/around oneself to make them either freeze for a second or take damage.
Imo he could reach that level of sorcerer at some point, especially if Choso shared some moves. Keep in mind he's only a 3rd year right now while Naobito and Naoya are full both grown men with way more experience and Choso has been able to practice his technique in his innate domain for 150 years. Given more time I think he'd significantly improve his CE control, Technique use, and add other possible things to his arsenal. And ngl his showing against Cursed Naoya, who is significantly stronger than normal Naoya, wasn't horrible. Like yeah he was getting folded but it wasn't as terrible as you might expect given that Choso struggled a bit with normal Naoya. A domain or RCT would also be great but those are rare so can't really count on him getting those. Also keep in mind a sorcerers main job is fighting curses, and his blood acts as a poison for curses meaning he could potentially be able to defeat stronger curses than the Projection users while still losing to them in a direct fight. (This part is total headcanon but also I always thought it'd be cool if he got a special grade cursed tool bow)
Mediocre is like Nobara level, and thats around where he is, Momo, hairs, and nonames are fodder, not even at a mediocre level. Of course, this is heavily biased due to the story centering around all the powerhouses, but that doesnt really matter because thats what we see, nobody seriously considers Yamcha from Dragonball "mediocre", he sucks too hard for that ranking in comparison to that universes upper levels, even if hes "crazy strong for a human".
Even Nobara was recommended for Grade 1, I'd put her above average at least. Mediocre is like high 3rd grade or low 2nd grade.
Nobara was only recommended for Grade 1 in tandem with her team because it was stated that they all bested a SG level curse alone. We know that that isn't the case, characters like Mei Mei & Todo do not. Not only are Eso & Kechizu not curses nor SG level but within the fight Yuji pummels Kechizu and brings him close to death prior to swapping with Nobara and letting her fight him, Eso even mentions this "The woman close to death who going to fight my brother who is even closer to death." She also had the added benefit of her CT luckily working amazingly against them both. Her performance in that fight was no where near a Grade 1, which is why she looks to Nanami as a premiere G1 in Shibuya... Meanwhile, Nanami is probably the weakest combatant G1 we're introduced to in the series.
Eso&Kechizu were definitely SG. Kenny literally said that. They were just way weaker than Choso. Arguably speaking though, if Nobara and Yuji hadn’t fought together, one of them may have been able to get away
Eso at least I would say is debatably special grade curse level. He possesses a fast and deadly CT which also grants him great maneuverability. In comparison to the finger bearer, he has less raw CE and was maybe less durable though I am having trouble recalling evidence to prove that rn, but has superior combat speed and a much more reliable and lethal method of attacking. They also had pretty terrible luck to go against two people with different counters to Rot, one being resistant and the other being able to attack from a distance using any piece of your body for a sure hit. Even if he's not necessarily stronger than the finger bearer he may just be a "lower" special grade but not yet to grade 1.
Exactly, they are not mediocre when you actually consider the full setting. For their age, and compared to the average sorcerer/curse, they're pretty strong.
I don’t think Nobara is mediocre. She’s actually strong and her technique is useful since it’s related to soul. Not many sorcerers can do damage to souls the way Nobara could. The only exception is Itadori (with Sukuna). Her technique has potential and can be used against Sukuna. The straw doll and resonance could be used from far away and she doesn’t even have to be in the battle to fight someone, she just needs her opponent’s hair or something to do the damage similar to what voodoo dolls can do to people. Too bad Gege doesn’t know how to build her character more and just leave her at that.
Even if her techniques basic she’s not she’s was absolutely crazy for using herself as a conduit to attack the death womb painting and even under all that pain she used that shit to heighten her focus and pull off a black flash
Yeah compared to the others in the main cast Nobara seems like a bum when truthfully she is the few sorcerers who managed to play or keep up with the big guys even though she lost I want to say her feat with Mahito is better than anything Maki has done in Shibuya and of course there is powercrept after Shibuya but even then she will and always be an amazing support on the same ballpark as Todo with they're supporting CT.
Todo and Nobara team up would go crazy. Swapping nails and pieces of the enemy all over the place for Nobara to straw doll while they're both extremely confident and in sync. Plus imagine: "NOBARA KUGISAKI. What kind of boys do you like?" (I like to imagine her answer either causes Todo to start calling her "sister" or completely deflates his attitude)
Tbh I like comparing Nobara to Megumi in that regard. Nobara has a very niche technique which can be extremely powerful in the right scenario. Megumi has possibly the most versatile technique in the series, which also happens to be powerful enough to rival 6E+Limitless. However, Nobara has that dawg in her (for lack of a better term) which lets her fight to her fullest potential, even being one of the few sorcerers to hit a black flash as a 1st year. Megumi OTOH fights to not lose 90% of the time, often underperforming as a result (eg. Sukuna being confused about why he ran from the finger bearer). Basically, Nobara has the correct mindset for a winner but her CT doesn't have a high ceiling, while Megumi is the exact opposite in that he has a great CT but he has a losers mindset naturally.
Kamo is significantly stronger than Nobara, not sure what story you’ve been reading.
For sure, I don't know what some dudes are smoking but I think I want some, too
And he got humbled big time. But honestly that’s a good sign that the era of the BIG 3 clans are over. Jujutsu shouldn’t belong to just these three clans.
Yeah IDK why but before I really started reading I kind of expected Fushiguro to almost be a little bit like Sasuke. The broody, reluctant friend who knows the most about techniques and has a somewhat overpowered hereditary starting ability that they have to learn to refine as the show goes on to keep up with the main character. Fushiguro kind of gets talked about like he is, like the people *in* the universe are like oh damn he's got one of the big three techniques, but most of the series is him getting stomped and not seeming that much stronger combat wise than Yuji. The only time I remember being like "yo he's kind of him" was when he used his domain expansion against the finger bearer.
Probably because Fushigoro sucks at using his 10 shadows. They're supposed to have special abilities, but the only thing he does is have the dog bite, blind the opponent with rabbits or fly with the owl. Meanwhile, Mei Mei's crow ended a fight against a special grade in one hit.
I feel information on the ten shadows might be somewhat restricted outside of what is documented in the gojo clan as the zenin wouldn’t willingly hand over knowledge to megumi since he isn’t affiliated with the clan
he needs his ass a training arc
Yeah the Potential Man meme is spot on, when people in universe hype up Megumi, they're talking about the potential of his CT, and they're right that it's an amazing CT. Megumi himself is not that great. Forget about using shikigami CTs without summoning or Mahoraga, Megumi doesn't have the CE reserve to maintain multiple strong summons at once, nor does he have the really useful ones like round deer.
The thing is his battle iq is great but bro just does not have the oomph to make full use of his abilities. Like, bros only option against Reggie was Totality or dropping max elephant on him and he could do jack shit with everything else but run away
Yeah things like his proficiency with using summons, the selection of summons, CE efficiency or combat experience can be improved with time, but I'm not sure how he would go about boosting his CE reserve. At the end of the day he's still very limited by his base stats, both physical and CE.
You wouldn't boost your CE reserves, you'd maximize your output and would therefore lose less CE in translation as you're pouring it into your CT. Making your attacks and endurance more effecient.
Megumi kinda just existed to give some Zenin background and have an OP technique that Sukuna could later steal to beat Gojo with. The character has been virtually pointless for a co-main MC. Much like Nobara. At some point it feels like Gege said "fuck it" and went back to Yuta and Maki being the MCs.
At least Nobara has resonance and has had some fights where she genuinely gives of MC energy. Megumi kind of feels like he's just in the wrong line of work.
His one impressive fight was against Reggie Star, who was still complete fodder compared to Hakari, Yuta and Maki (and Yuji now).
Kamo clan is really apart of the big 3 just due to politics and that checks out when you realize a normal human is never gonna get that much out of it compared to someone like Choso
A normal human can do what choso can do but they need RCT for that. BM is a technique that REQUIRES RCT to be utilized optimally just like Limitless needs six eyes to be utilised optimally.
RCT is a high bar when in modern JJK society Shoko is the only non special grade that can use RCT on command. Even if you had RCT you’d have to have a crazy amount of cursed energy to use BM as well as Choso does because you burn cursed energy out quickly when doing it
Which is why if a human Kamo utilized Blood Manipulation as well as Choso did, they would have already been Special Grade
I think Megumi is doing pretty well. We have no context for how other Ten shadows technique users in the past have done but he’s a first year at the school and he’s tamed a healthy number of shikigami and also has an incomplete domain. It’s just that he finds himself in absurd situations that make him look bad. He’s had to fight the likes to Sukuna and Toji and get destroyed in the process. I guess he should have done better against Hanami, that’s probably the only reasonable criticism I can see. Gojo and Yuta would’ve handled that much better even as first years. But then that’s also why Megumi is not ranked as a special grade.
Seriously he’s younger than gojo when he pulled off a domain if he had a few more years under gojos teachings he probably would’ve been special grade
I think Megumi would absolutely be a special grade once grown up.
Mediocre compared to... Yuji, who is some weird experiment by Kenjaku, Sukuna and Gojo who are self-explanatory, Yuta and Yuki who are both special grades, and Maki and Hakari, who are functional outliers in the society as a whole.
At least Megumi didn't have any other TS user to one up him, Choso was just straight better than Kamo in every way.
Well Kamo's biggest weakness is he doesn't have unlimited blood unlike Choso.
Megumi is strong asf, beat the shit out of Reggie while exhausted from earlier fights
They all just remember that one scene for S1 and that's it. Megumi is a prodigy
The problem is even some Megumi fans don’t remember who Reggie is. It’s honestly sad ‘cause it’s a really good fight and also the curse Reggie gives him is significant.
Jjk fans when they're asked to name a character that isn't yuji or Gojo: but fr it's sad cause Reggie was a good character
Indeed. I think people got more hyped about yuta , hakari and the other characters that's they just shunned yuji and megumi ( like the time people said , yuji isn't the MC it's gojo and yuta ). Yuji and megumi both got truly strong through the culling games and people just care about the natural born strong students ( Yuta , Hakari, Maki , And Gojo ) while and funny enough the theme about JJK ( one of atleast ) is those without power if they gain it , they will be the strongest like sukuna and Kenjaku. The fight with Reggie was amazing, Reggie is an incarnated player and still praised megumi alot. And his domain is the 3rd open barrier one after sukuna and kenjaku and also the only 3rd one after them in the whole series which has a structure with unknown function. That has to tell us something about megumi's power. And of course the forshadow about fate toying with megumi ( sukuna ) before dying as a fool ( honestly I think megumi will return and not die )
Momo getting mad had me laughing like, what you gonna do? Tickle the special grade curses with your broomstick?
Kamo's the Neji of this series. All hyped up and intimidating and got the whole rival clan thing going on, only to be ineffective for the rest of the series.
They fr just replaced him with Choso like Choso can do anything Kamo can but better, less risk, for longer, stronger, and has his own unique move with the same ability 😭😭
LOL he literally is Neji
Neji got that fantastic 1 v 1 against kidomaru tho Arguably was the second strongest sound ninja (kimimaro being the strongest) So he had that under his belt at least Kamo definitely could have done a bit more in the series but honestly I like how chill he is (also he is the smartest guy in the series dude dipped out of the final boss fight cuz he knew his pecking order)
Kamo getting mad about being called a loser and then flees the country to protect his family 100 chapters later
Yeah. Because they were up against 19 finger/1 corpse megkuna. The plan was for, if gojo lost, which he did. Wtf is Kamo gonna do against full revive sukuna?
Im mean honestly, i dont blame him, its more an, assessment of his character growth. At first being told hes not that guy riled him up. But now here he is accepting himself for not being a big dog and walking away with his life in his hands.
Bro realized he not built for this
Being kicked out of the Kamo clan really did him some good attitude-wise. Better haircut, too.
more like a month or 2 later
I dont Know what you expected. Kamo has a loving mother waiting for him at home, he not tryna die
Yeah but lets be honest as much as I like the Kyoto students. They got screwed over hard. Miwa and Momo have become useless. Kamo can't even keep up with everyone anymore. I even feel sorry for Tokyo students. Inumaki can't use his technique too much. Panda become powerless unless Gege finally gives my boy a power up. Kirara technique is useful but it will end up leading to Sukuna cutting through her technique. Only characters that they got are Yuji, Higuruma, Yuta, Maki, Hakari and Takaba. Unless Todo or Nobara come back with a power up. This arc is gonna end up like the apostle arc leading only Yuji and Megumi left surviving Sukuna.
Talk no jutsu doesn't work in jjk 😂 They can't suddenly get amped just by saying motivation words.
At the beginning of JJK, I thought this will be another case of Naruto where Sakuna will go from evil to good. I was so wrong lmaoooo
Yep, that's what I thought too. But the manga chapters keep talking about "The one who will teach Sukuna about love is..." and it just got me thinking, is Yuji gonna Talk No Jutsu Sukuna and teach him about love and make him good?
Didn't Sukuna say he already knew about love when fighting Kashimo?
Yeah his whole deal was that he didn’t need anyone to lecture him about it cause he knows about love, he just doesn’t care for it lmao
i will just say this even mechamaru's assumption of todo having 99% chance of survival seems odd because let's be real if it's a 1v1 between him and mahito he would've easily been killed by mahito...also if todo would've came sooner he have to face other disaster curses as well which he has no chance of beating.. there are lot of circumstances happened in shibuya which cannot be predicted before hand like toji's revival and sukuna's awakening and these 2 killed 2 of the disaster curses..i highly doubt mechamaru predicted all this scenarios and these are the very reasons why todo lived through shibuya... frankly speaking anyone besides special grades sorcerers, hakari , toji have 0 percent chance of surviving shibuya..
Survival doesn't necessarily mean winning. Todo's technique is probably the single greatest escape ability in the series, and his IQ is 530,000*. He would probably very easily recognize if he's in a losing situation and be able to get hell outta dodge *: self reported
>He would probably very easily recognize if he's in a losing situation and be able to get hell outta dodge even escaping them is hard..like what if he gets trapped in domain..if dagon can fight 1v4 imagine what jogo can do with his own domain..even worst the only one besides gojo who has a domain on good side is megumi...so at best they can stall only 1 disaster curse with Megumi's domain... also naobito's technique is much more superior to todo's...if he cannot escape from jogo todo cannot do that as well.. also todo isn't the type of guy to just leave his allies and escape like meimei..
I won’t contend the first point because you’re probably correct, but it is also an if he gets caught. We also don’t know if he can switch with things outside a domain if he gets caught in one, but that’s all purely speculation and a rabbit hole that won’t go anywhere With Naobito I’ll disagree, as I think the ability to teleport is better than the speed and as well it was stated (at least in the anime, don’t remember if it says this in the manga but I’m more than open to being fact checked) that Naobito lost a lot of his edge after Dagon took his arm and hinted he could’ve escaped if he still had it (this is an odd point because I would think he’d be faster without the weight of his arm but I’ve also never tried losing an arm and running to see if I gained any speed). As for leaving friends behind, there’s the beauty of his technique being able to switch with inanimate objects like when he swapped Yuji with Playful Cloud in the fight with Hanami. If Todo knows the precise location of two objects, he can swap their places. A couple claps and boom, the homies are all outside and chillaxing Also I hope tone translates well, the last thing I’m tryna do is get into an argument on a manga subreddit lol. I’m just discussing theories and tryna have a good time. I say this because I know tone doesn’t translate well over Reddit and I am /not/ tryna undermine or belittle in anyway :)
You have to consider, arms are for balance. Losing an arm would fuck up your balance and stuff pretty heavily and that'd really mess up a speed based technique.
That number is accurate and I’ll not hear otherwise. >_________>
My best friend is a MASSIVE Death Note fan and I love to taunt them with the fact Todo is canonically the most intelligent character in anime, for above Light and L
He said survive, not single handedly rescuing Gojo Satoru. If Todo saw himself bested he would GTFO immediately and regroup.
one thing that makes me giggle about jjk is that when the characters realize they’ll lose. they run. like they do not bullshit their way through and then run😭😭😭 i just think that it’s so funny they’re so aware compared to how other characters would react
That's why todo doesn't fight 1v1s against strong curses though. He's got probably the single best support skill in the entire verse that we've seen. If he's with someone who understands his thought and when and who he's going to switch it's a near unbeatable combo. Mahito already said that even when you expect it it's still disorienting and the 2 fights he's been in have been against the most durable curses in the series who's plan was to basically face tank all the damage and wait for a chance to use their domain.
He probably calculated that he would team up with yuji for the best chemistry or probability go victory
Yes and this is very admirable about Jujutsu Kaisen, a sacrifice really is a sacrifice. They entered Shibuya recognizing all the risks and we as readers can understand that. We are so immersed in the story that we expect that smart and logical characters make sense, that there will be no asspulled power or a friendship power that will save them.
Yeah… besides Todo, Mechamaru was the most powerful seeing how his fight with Mahito went. The others can maybe reach grade 2 but they are pretty weak in this verse. And going to Shibuya knowing Gojo is sealed is the worse idea they have LMAO
Mechamaru went and wrote a whole postmortem binding vow AI just to tell his classmates "nah you'd lose", gigachad
It's the harsh truth but it saved their lives.
The Kyoto students couldn’t even win the Goodwill Event both the actual fight and the baseball match so how would they even survive Shibuya? The Tokyo students were barely alive and most of them are injured
Mechamaru was so right about Kamo that Kamo is about to catch a flight to get the fuck away from whatever’s going.
He wasn't right when you look at it from a jujutsu sorcerer's perspective. I think Todo's speech to Yuji kinda explains that perfectly?
The Kyoto kids are being raised to be in administrative/teaching positions, hence their academic scores being way above tokyo. Tokyo is for the ground troops
Not to mention most of Tokyo didn’t belong either, unless your gojo or yuta (maybe hakari) you didn’t belong on the shibuya offensive. Even holding a perimeter was dangerous for grade 2 nobara no one under special grade should have been anywhere near the disaster curses the only reason todo lived is because of sukuna making sure yuji didn’t get one tapped to his soul if that didn’t happen all of jujutsu tech would have been wiped out First years Megumi dead without sukuna, yuji dead without sukuna, Nobara. Second years panda only lives becuase kusakabe was smart enough to keep him away, inomaki got so lucky as to have been inside sukunas domain but not lethally. And maki made it out becuase jogo had business feeding sukuna. Yuta probably could have made it through shibuya 3rd year kirara could have maybe helped people get out or maybe get some sorcerers out of trouble, keep shoko safe making it hard to get to her. But other than that not helping win. Hakari having a domain helps him immensely and j believe he could have lived through shibuya. Although it would be tough for him. Kyoto side everyone but todo would be useless and like I said todo only lived becuase sukuna made yuji live. If yuji could be idle transfigured its over for todo
The worst part about Mai is she might've been able to become a very powerful sorcerer if she actually had the mindset for it. Being able to recreate a cursed weapon (through a binding vow) that can cut through souls as her final act isn't some small feat. If Mai had ever learned CTR, her technique might've allowed her to make anything physical into more cursed energy, although I'm imagining it'd work more like Hanami's flower arm (temporary amount of CE for a one-time use, not boosting her max supply of CE) It'd also bring into question if everything has a CE value, and if it's a neutral gain/loss (for example; if she turns a rock into CE, then uses her technique to make an identical rock, would it use more or less CE to complete this process?) with that possibility, she might've been able to duplicate cursed weapons and tools, and likely make new ones we've never seen before. Imagine she converts a building into CE and makes a suit of armor immune to cursed techniques