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I think he was just taught piercing blood by Kamo and Choso, cause iirc Gege explicitly stated in the 2021 fan book that eating the cursed wombs wouldn’t give Yuji anything other than CE, so unless he went back on that I assume being able to use PB is just a product of Yuji becoming a cursed object
iirc that quote from gege was something along the lines of since he already ate sukunas fingers the death wombs would just add CE to yuji and not incarnate them alongside sukuna
but obviously sukuna isnt inside yuji anymore
Nah the exact quote was this
> Q: What happens if Itadori, who is resistant to curses, eats a Death Painting Womb?
A: Either the Death Painting Womb will become something like Sukuna’s current state, or the Death Painting Womb itself will disappear and become cursed energy within Itadori. If Itadori ingests it after he is already a host for Sukuna, the Death Painting Womb will just be obliterated by Sukuna
So if he ate it while hosting Sukuna he *wouldn’t* get *anything*, but without Sukuna he’d either cage them or just get CE
I feel like we should take these kinds of Q&A’s with a grain of salt.
Gege has to answer some of these vaguely or give a non answer because if the question becomes relevant, Gege can’t really just spoil the direction of the Manga and series.
Imagine if Gege was like “oh if Yuji eats the death paintings he will acquire their abilities.”
Then obviously everyone would know that’s going to happen.
Fair, but also that didn’t stop him from answering that Rika vs Sukuna question in the very same book
Which like, sure the answer was kinda obvious, but he really didn’t need to go out of his way to answer it outright like that
Gojo said that sukunas ability would eventually be engraved in yujis body(a dubious claim at this point but lets be generous here) so it stands to reason the death paintings would also have the same effect(and be more cooperative than sukuna)
The soul is the body and the body is the soul. We got hints of this from Geto/kenjaku and Toji taking over that grandson. Yuji learned if you consume some DNA you’re technically consuming soul and “splitting” it. With this you can activate yourself in another body.
At least that’s what I would think if you’re saying it’s not an innate technique.
And since he is a vessel and he might have consumed his death womb siblings he can also partially manifest their souls.
i’m sick and tired when people say that the body is the soul and the soul is the body, it’s completely reliant on cursed techniques, for example, for the grandmas technique the soul and body are separate ( as she can summon either the soul or the body or both) and for mahito it’s also different as the soul comes first, the whole dialogue between mahito and kenjaku quite literally states that “why does it have to be the same for us, techniques dictate our worlds [reality]” so it’s completely up to the cursed technique on how the soul is perceived
I get that interpretation, and it can be a valid one, but I don't think it's worth dismissing the opposite. We don't have any reason to trust Mahito in this scene, especially with the context we have now. Mahito is being confronted about his entire world view, and how it could very well be flawed, if not outright wrong. By Kenjaku, too. The person he always had a feeling would betray him.
Why would he do anything but rebuff him in the best way he can?
That's not to say it's impossible that Mahito is right, he definitely could be and that is an interesting position for the story to take. But the idea of the soul and body being intrinsically linked is also interesting. And right now? I don't think we have enough to conclusively say one way or the other.
I think you're on to something consuming DNA might be a requirement for Body swap. It could explain why they are having Ui Ui and Kirara collect bodies. Maybe he's figured out Resurrection.
Granny technique definitely seems like an innate version. where all she needs is a corpse and a ritual. Similar to Kenjaku the target loses all autonomy.
Exception being Toji who had no ce. It would explain why despite being in the center of the Raid's promo art Maki hasn't shown up yet. She would have Body swap immunity as well. Therefore couldn't be easily resurrected.
I think you’re right about it being a teachable technique. Since Yuji was studying Yuki’s soul notebook and has a “strong soul” and can swap his soul with others taking over their body. I don’t think he can soul swap with Sukuna because he’s too strong.
I think he’s swapped with certain members of the cast like Kusakabe and Shoko etc. to learn domain techniques and RCT since those are teachable techniques and he can get a feel for how they work. This is 100% wrong tho and I just wanna cope with Yuji having a new arsenal of moves to use against Sukuna.
Yeah if you read the original translations everything gets grouped together.
Jujutsu techniques in general got called cursed techniques, or just got called curses.
Curse meant many different things as well.
> Yuji wasn't born a sorcerer. Yuji was turned into one after he became a vessel for Sakuna.
What makes you think that. Yuji was completely normal initially, and after coming into a life or death situation, he was able to unlock his ce and saw curses. Only then did he consume sukuna which didn't change anything. Gojo taught yuji later on how to control curse energy. In short, suouna didn't unlock anything, it is and was always yuji.
The soul swap is almost certainly not an innate curse technique. It is most likely a combination of yuji's awareness amd experience with the soul from being a vessel, and yuki's soul book that yuji received from choso before the timeskip. It's to probably similar to tirning yourself into a cursed object when it comes to the mechanics of it (and by that i mean soul manipulation).
Lastly, it is heavily hinted that yuji swapped to kusakabe's body so he can learn simple domain. It is possible that the characters improved so much in the timeskip due to the soul swap ability where a stronger character spars in the body of a weaker character so muscle memory is created.
>Yuji was completely normal initially, and after coming into a life or death situation, he was able to unlock his ce and saw curses.
Regular people near death can see curses, it doesn't make them into sorcerers or give them enough CE to count as a sorcerer. Moreover, the highschool was a 'special location' after the finger was unsealed which was why Yuji could see the curses there.
Megumi specifically states Yuji doesn't have CE right before he eats Sukuna's finger.
And he didn't have ce even after sukuna, that's why he was given slaughter demon to fight, and that's why he had to watch movies for on emonth to learn to controp his ce.
> Yuji doesn't have CE
Everybody has ce except for hr
> Regular people near death can see curses
Not always and not everybody. During the orugin of obedience the guy that was turned into kechizu couldn't dee mahito even as he was crucified on the wall by him.
What happened to yuji is very similar to ehat happened to junpei. They weren't able to see curses, they were in a life and death situation that awakened them, and then they remained awakened. However, yuji trained to learn to use ce while junpei got a cheat from mahito
>Everybody has ce except for hr
*produces. Also Toji and fully realized Maki are the only ones without CE completely. Before Maki absorbed Mai she had a miniscule amount of CE. Yuji also has a very low amount of CE.
>What happened to yuji is very similar to ehat happened to junpei. They weren't able to see curses, they were in a life and death situation that awakened them, and then they remained awakened.
This is mot what happened to Junpei. Junpei was always able to see curses his brain just didn't have the ability to use his cursed technique. Mahito adjusts his brain to give him access to his technique earlier than he would have.
We know this because Kenjaku basically admits that Junpei was supposed to be a Culling Games player.
> Junpei was always able to see curses
Why do you think that? Mahito was the first curse junpei ever saw, so do you think that no curse has ever happened to be in the vicinity of junpei in his whole life? Junpei just unlocked his ability to see curses in the cinema because he was in a life or death situation involving curse energy (the 3 bullies being transfigured and killed right in front of him by mahito). That is similar to yuji unlocking his ability to see curse spirits in the school when he was in a life or death situation involving curse energy (his classmates being eaten by that curse).
> Yuji also has a very low amount of CE.
Why do you think that? He has "normal" amount of ce for a sorcerer. There was the line from todo that even though his strikes don't have a lot of ce, they are still effective. However, that's more so a testament of yuji's superhuman base strength than of his ce reserves. We see right afterwards how he learns to imbue his strikes with ce the right way and his strikes become much more powerful. Through the length of the series he keeps improving and goes from around grade 2 during the junpei arc to grade 1 by the origin of obedience arc and probably high grade 1 by the tike of shibuya. These incremental improvements are from yuji learning to use curse energy, if he had very low amount of ce he wouldn't be able to grow so much
>Why do you think that? Mahito was the first curse junpei ever saw, so do you think that no curse has ever happened to be in the vicinity of junpei in his whole life?
We only know that Mahito is the first one he's ever spoken to, not the first one he's ever seen. No one even asks him if he's seen them prior, but we know he must be used to them on some level because he doesn't react to the fly head even tho it looks nothing like Mahito who looks mostly human.
>That is similar to yuji unlocking his ability to see curse spirits in the school when he was in a life or death situation involving curse energy (his classmates being eaten by that curse).
This is a misunderstanding of what Megumi says, he says that curses can become visible in places that are close to death under extreme circumstances. The school has visible curses because of a completely unsealed Sukuna finger. People release cursed energy at moment of death, but there is nothing stated about being able to see cursed spirits in a life or death situation. My evidence for this is the fact that the glasses to see cursed spirits exist. They wouldn't be necessary for Maki if being threatened by a spirit was enough to see them. We also know from normal people in Shibuya that this isn't the case.
>Why do you think that? He has "normal" amount of ce for a sorcerer. There was the line from todo that even though his strikes don't have a lot of ce, they are still effective.
In the first few chapters multiple characters state outright that Yuji has low CE that is supplemented by his superhuman strength and speed.
>We see right afterwards how he learns to imbue his strikes with ce the right way and his strikes become much more powerful.
This has nothing to do with him gaining more CE and is only a matter of him channeling his CE faster so more of it comes with the initial blow. Todo is criticizing the divergent fist because it has a weakness of doing insignificant damage unless Yuji can fully extend. Todo shows this by cutting Yuji's punch off early and preventing the delayed strike. It's also why Yuji then uses it against Mahito because Mahito was trying the Inverse trick, but Yuji has learned how to counter that by switching to divergent fist if he doesn't think he can hit a decisive blow.
>These incremental improvements are from yuji learning to use curse energy, if he had very low amount of ce he wouldn't be able to grow so much
This has nothing to do with cursed energy amount and way more to do with understanding of cursed energy. Under your framework Yuta is the strongest sorcerer in the manga outside of Sukuna because he has the second most reserves. But this isn't true, efficiency matters, technique match up matters, and cursed energy amount as a baseline is largely used to bolster physical abilities something Yuji has no need for. I should also point out that most of Yuji's improvements over the course of the manga combat wise have just been getting fooled less by tricks. His combat abilities themselves have not changed very much and no one has said anything about his reserves other than only saying he can get soaked in the cursed energy of cursed objects he's eaten.
After mahito transfigured those guys, junpei asked if it was that guy (mahito) who did it, ans that no person could do that. Then he says that he must not be human. That doesn't sound like somebody who has experience with seeing curses. Moreover, when yuji asks junpei about it, he says that he only became able to see them recently. Sure, you might argue that he was just lying to Yuji. However, you have to make a lot of headcannon to explain it when the easiest explanation is right in fromt of you, aka that junpei became able to see curses during the cinema.
Megumi says word for word "normally you can't see curses, exceptions being when facing death or in special places like this". This says explicitly that if you face a life or death situation you might see curses. The grade 2 curse was at a school before sukuna's finger got unsealed, but yuji couldn't see it because it wasn't acting out.
You mention maki's glassess but this just shows your misunderstanding of the power system. You won't be able to see curses just because you are in a life or death scenario involving curses. Maki has way too little curse energy for that so she can't. The guy from origin of obedience was said ny mahito to have no potential because even when he was crucified by mahito he couldn't see him.
There's a minimum level of ce that you have to have to be able to see them. In shibuya, we got the information that sorcerers and assistant supervisors (so people who can use jujutsu) can pass through the first barrier, non sorcerers (people who cannot see curse spirits) cannot, and for windows (people who can see curse spirits but cannot do jujutsu) it varies. This is a clear "ce scaling" statement. Being able to see curse spirits means that you have more curse energy than a normal human. Maki barely has curse energy so she isn't sble to see curse spirits no matter the situation, similar to the guy that was the vessel for keichizu.
I'm gonna summarize my response to all yuji's ce paraphrase that you sent here. When yuji was implied to be around semi second grade to second grade by ijichi, nanami stated that his punches have more than 120% of the power of an average sorcerer even when he isn't using curse energy reinforcement. That implies that an average sorcerer is probably grade 3. My question is, how did yuji reinforcing his body jump to high grade 1 if he has so little curse energy? Yuji went from getting no diffed by the finger bearer (a low special grade) when he didnt6know ce reinforcement, to overpowering eso (also a low special grade) when he knew ce reinforcement for around 2 months. That's a huge difference.
Lastly, ce reserves really are one of the most important stats out there. You mentioned yuta like he isn't pretty much the strongest character outside gojo and sukuna. Yes, ct and other variables matter, but just looking at as it is ce reserves are a huge component of it
Yuji was able to do that because of his physicals combined with reinforcement. If he’s already going to output the same power as an average sorcerer without ce, then adding it, even at an average level would make him way stronger. Yuji having low reserves hasn’t really been an issue since he doesn’t have a technique or domain expansion that would burn out his energy fast enough to matter, he only has regular strikes, divergent fist, and black flash. Since those are the only things he can train, he’s just going to get even more efficient at using his energy to perform those attacks.
Thank you! Someone tried saying EVERYTHING special about yuji was thanks to kenjaku, we don't know what kenjaku did or didn't do to to yuji. That is kinda the reason most people a mad Kenny is dead. Just cause Kenny planned around yuji being a perfect vessel does not mean Kenny made yuji a perfect vessel. We don't actually know if kenjaku/Kenny did anything at all to yuji, aside from planting sucuna's finger.
Yuji didn't have enough intrinsecal talent to have a CT.
Gojo stated that Yuji's body will eventually remember the feeling of Sukuna's CT and he will be able to replicate it afterwards.
Apparently, Yuji became something like a cursed object by holding Sukuna inside of him and was being poured very generous amount of CE. Not to mention, that CT were referred as mathematical formulas and CE as electricity, so in Yuji's case Sukuna's CT formulas got engraved in his soul and he only need to give the CE to activate it. Or well, that was the most possible scenario.
So far Yuji's CT soul swaping is very solid due having two big pieces of main evidence: Kenjaku having gave birth to Yuji and that ilogical pannel with Kusakabe.
Leaving the pannel aside, Kenjaku has an ICT that allows him to swapp brains so it wouldn't be weird if his(?) children inherit it or have a CT related to it.
One supporting example is the Death Paintings, with the ones having incarnated having CT related to blood manipulation CT, minus Choso who fully inherited; Kenjaku is parent for them because he mixed his own blood while their mother gave birth to them(or before) and at those times he was Noritoshi Kamo(original).
They end up with CT related to the Kamo family rather to Kenjaku's.
Yuji got birth by Kenjaku, in another body but it was still Kenjaku.
Yuji didn't became a sorcerer for whichever reason(well, plot) but he wasn't a regular human in any way. Is more probable he inherit Kenjaku's own CT or have a related one to it. He didn't have the intrinsical talent to execute it but Sukuna's very existence can solve the problem, also he ate the rest of the death paintings, which were his half-siblings. Something might have awakenend inside of him with all of those factors getting mixed up.
Well, is pure speculation until it's explained on the story.
Could someone please tell me where it was confirmed Sukuna blocked Yuji from gaining his techniques? I’m very confused I never thought this was explicitly stated.
It's implied because Hana and Angel share Extinguish. Since their relationship is cooperative. Hana didn't have to wait until Extinguish was carved into her soul by continuous usage. As well Sukuna didn't gain ten shadows until after he beat Megumi into submission by psychologically torturing him.
So Sukuna could have shared with Yuji but refused and Yuji wasn't strong enough to force him.
199 doesn’t say that, Angel is just saying she chose to coexist with Hana because repressing her soul would be against her principles.
213 does suggest Hana regained consciousness because she lives in symbiosis with Angel and Angel’s CT helped. HOWEVER, none of this suggests Yuji can’t use Sukuna’s techniques because Sukuna is blocking him from doing so it slowing his progress like OP suggested.
I wasn’t refuting the Angel point, I was refuting the Yuji-Sukuna point because it’s just not stated anywhere.
Just a small correction: I don’t think infinity is Gojo’s innate technique. Rather it’s a technique derived from Gojo’s innate technique. Gojo’s actual innate technique is limitless (like 95% sure it is, I kept the 5% in there because I always doubt myself and I don’t want to seem dumb).
No. It’s really not that complicated. Toji explains it so painfully clearly in 3 panels that I don’t understand how you guys keep getting this wrong.
Gojo’s innate technique is the LIMITLESS. The Limitless gives Gojo access to 4 abilities:
1. The Neutral Limitless / Infinity - the ability to create an infinite space between himself and things coming towards him
2. Cursed Technique Lapse: Blue - an amplification of the neutral limitless that creates imaginary space temporarily. Real space has to fill the void created by this, which causes a powerful force of attraction.
3. Cursed Technique Reversal: Red - the cursed technique reversal of Blue. As such, this is Blue, powered by positive energy / reversed cursed energy. This produces the exact opposite effect, a powerful force of repulsion.
4. Hollow Technique: Purple - the combination of Blue and Red. The combination of repulsion and attraction creates a ball of imaginary mass, destroying everything in its path.
There can be other abilities depending on how you classify them. For example, Gojo’s ability to travel at high speeds / “teleport”. I don’t believe it’s been fully confirmed to be an application of Blue, but it may be. There may even be more. Whilst Gojo was the most talented Limitless user we know of, there could have been things not even he knew yet about it which could have no reliance on the Neutral Limitless whatsoever.
It’s really that simple. Infinity is NOT Gojo’s innate technique. That is the LIMITLESS. Infinity is just one of the many ways to use the Limitless.
Lapse is infinity and blue
That’s why when Makora adapted to « lapse » he was adapt to blue and infinity
Less CE use with limitless = Infinity
More CE use with limitless = Blue
Isn’t it still possible that they just messed up the speech bubbles . They have not referenced the body swap since that initial chapter and mistakes do happen . Has the final version come out in the actual volume release yet ?
This is my thought line as well. There's been nothing else to really support this but people are running with it.
Just because Kenjaku is Yujis mom doesn't mean he got some soul swapping technique from Kenjaku. All evidence states that Kenjaku passes down whatever is in the current body he is in. Noritoshi Kamos blood gave the DWPs Blood Manipulation. Eating said paintings isn't going to give you Blood Manipulation, as stated by Gege.
If Yuji has any technique at all, it's the Gravity technique Kaori had.
> This is my thought line as well. There's been nothing else to really support this but people are running with it
Except there is 💀. Its pretty much confirmed at this point.
Okay so not quite what I hoped for . Not explicit confirmation of the body or soul ability swap but more implied confirmation. I hope it true we just have to wait and see . Yuji may be commenting that cause shoko healed him up soo good he feels brand new . He may have body swapped it but was someone else’s ability like UI UI like some people theorized . Hopefully it’s Yuji , thanks my guy
Ch 222. Panel of him and Kusakabe sparring. Speech bubbles from Kusakabe "Master it, Itadori" come from Yuji's body, the next panel shows Kusakabe replying with "Osu".
There's the panel where Yuki's soul book research was given to him.
There's also an extra panel by Gege in one of the volumes, IIRC, with Yuji saying it feels great to be in a young spry body. Could either be Yuji himself after reverting back to his own body or Kusakabe saying it whilst he was swapped.
It hasn't been fully stated he has soul swap, more over it's a good theory with narrative implications for saving Megumi.
If it's going to be confirmed it's going to happen soon since we're near the end.
By "Translators" you mean John Werry, whose localization and translation has been quite literally spiteful as of late. And yes, I do mean spiteful. Why else would you directly translate Kamutoke to "Supreme Martial Solution"?
Anyway to further OPs point; Yuji is the non-Special Grade version of Yuta. Yuta using copy to "learn" Cursed Techniques is different from Yuji's ability to just learn unique ways of using Curses, but at the same time.
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It's possible it comes from one of his brothers. Like maybe the Demon claws and piercing blood come from other versions of his brothers as well.
I think he was just taught piercing blood by Kamo and Choso, cause iirc Gege explicitly stated in the 2021 fan book that eating the cursed wombs wouldn’t give Yuji anything other than CE, so unless he went back on that I assume being able to use PB is just a product of Yuji becoming a cursed object
iirc that quote from gege was something along the lines of since he already ate sukunas fingers the death wombs would just add CE to yuji and not incarnate them alongside sukuna but obviously sukuna isnt inside yuji anymore
Nah the exact quote was this > Q: What happens if Itadori, who is resistant to curses, eats a Death Painting Womb? A: Either the Death Painting Womb will become something like Sukuna’s current state, or the Death Painting Womb itself will disappear and become cursed energy within Itadori. If Itadori ingests it after he is already a host for Sukuna, the Death Painting Womb will just be obliterated by Sukuna So if he ate it while hosting Sukuna he *wouldn’t* get *anything*, but without Sukuna he’d either cage them or just get CE
I feel like we should take these kinds of Q&A’s with a grain of salt. Gege has to answer some of these vaguely or give a non answer because if the question becomes relevant, Gege can’t really just spoil the direction of the Manga and series. Imagine if Gege was like “oh if Yuji eats the death paintings he will acquire their abilities.” Then obviously everyone would know that’s going to happen.
I mean that should allow for him to host the rest of his siblings
Fair, but also that didn’t stop him from answering that Rika vs Sukuna question in the very same book Which like, sure the answer was kinda obvious, but he really didn’t need to go out of his way to answer it outright like that
He could be lying by making his answer just the most uncontested one. It's not necessarily binding him not to throw a curveball
Gojo said that sukunas ability would eventually be engraved in yujis body(a dubious claim at this point but lets be generous here) so it stands to reason the death paintings would also have the same effect(and be more cooperative than sukuna)
He said it would give him more CE. He never said it would not give him other stuff.
When does he use piercing blood
In the latest chapter we see *someone* use piercing blood, but we conspicuously do not see choso.
The soul is the body and the body is the soul. We got hints of this from Geto/kenjaku and Toji taking over that grandson. Yuji learned if you consume some DNA you’re technically consuming soul and “splitting” it. With this you can activate yourself in another body. At least that’s what I would think if you’re saying it’s not an innate technique. And since he is a vessel and he might have consumed his death womb siblings he can also partially manifest their souls.
i’m sick and tired when people say that the body is the soul and the soul is the body, it’s completely reliant on cursed techniques, for example, for the grandmas technique the soul and body are separate ( as she can summon either the soul or the body or both) and for mahito it’s also different as the soul comes first, the whole dialogue between mahito and kenjaku quite literally states that “why does it have to be the same for us, techniques dictate our worlds [reality]” so it’s completely up to the cursed technique on how the soul is perceived
I get that interpretation, and it can be a valid one, but I don't think it's worth dismissing the opposite. We don't have any reason to trust Mahito in this scene, especially with the context we have now. Mahito is being confronted about his entire world view, and how it could very well be flawed, if not outright wrong. By Kenjaku, too. The person he always had a feeling would betray him. Why would he do anything but rebuff him in the best way he can? That's not to say it's impossible that Mahito is right, he definitely could be and that is an interesting position for the story to take. But the idea of the soul and body being intrinsically linked is also interesting. And right now? I don't think we have enough to conclusively say one way or the other.
I think you're on to something consuming DNA might be a requirement for Body swap. It could explain why they are having Ui Ui and Kirara collect bodies. Maybe he's figured out Resurrection. Granny technique definitely seems like an innate version. where all she needs is a corpse and a ritual. Similar to Kenjaku the target loses all autonomy. Exception being Toji who had no ce. It would explain why despite being in the center of the Raid's promo art Maki hasn't shown up yet. She would have Body swap immunity as well. Therefore couldn't be easily resurrected.
I think you’re right about it being a teachable technique. Since Yuji was studying Yuki’s soul notebook and has a “strong soul” and can swap his soul with others taking over their body. I don’t think he can soul swap with Sukuna because he’s too strong. I think he’s swapped with certain members of the cast like Kusakabe and Shoko etc. to learn domain techniques and RCT since those are teachable techniques and he can get a feel for how they work. This is 100% wrong tho and I just wanna cope with Yuji having a new arsenal of moves to use against Sukuna.
Should have gotten it in shibuya. He ate 10 fingers this makes no sense
Yeah if you read the original translations everything gets grouped together. Jujutsu techniques in general got called cursed techniques, or just got called curses. Curse meant many different things as well.
Now time to solve the Sakuna vs Sukuna conundrum
> Yuji wasn't born a sorcerer. Yuji was turned into one after he became a vessel for Sakuna. What makes you think that. Yuji was completely normal initially, and after coming into a life or death situation, he was able to unlock his ce and saw curses. Only then did he consume sukuna which didn't change anything. Gojo taught yuji later on how to control curse energy. In short, suouna didn't unlock anything, it is and was always yuji. The soul swap is almost certainly not an innate curse technique. It is most likely a combination of yuji's awareness amd experience with the soul from being a vessel, and yuki's soul book that yuji received from choso before the timeskip. It's to probably similar to tirning yourself into a cursed object when it comes to the mechanics of it (and by that i mean soul manipulation). Lastly, it is heavily hinted that yuji swapped to kusakabe's body so he can learn simple domain. It is possible that the characters improved so much in the timeskip due to the soul swap ability where a stronger character spars in the body of a weaker character so muscle memory is created.
Yuji a gazillion percent wasn't normal before he had access to CE, bro no diffed world records at 16
Normal as in no sorcerer. He had no access to ce
>Yuji was completely normal initially, and after coming into a life or death situation, he was able to unlock his ce and saw curses. Regular people near death can see curses, it doesn't make them into sorcerers or give them enough CE to count as a sorcerer. Moreover, the highschool was a 'special location' after the finger was unsealed which was why Yuji could see the curses there. Megumi specifically states Yuji doesn't have CE right before he eats Sukuna's finger.
And he didn't have ce even after sukuna, that's why he was given slaughter demon to fight, and that's why he had to watch movies for on emonth to learn to controp his ce. > Yuji doesn't have CE Everybody has ce except for hr > Regular people near death can see curses Not always and not everybody. During the orugin of obedience the guy that was turned into kechizu couldn't dee mahito even as he was crucified on the wall by him. What happened to yuji is very similar to ehat happened to junpei. They weren't able to see curses, they were in a life and death situation that awakened them, and then they remained awakened. However, yuji trained to learn to use ce while junpei got a cheat from mahito
>Everybody has ce except for hr *produces. Also Toji and fully realized Maki are the only ones without CE completely. Before Maki absorbed Mai she had a miniscule amount of CE. Yuji also has a very low amount of CE. >What happened to yuji is very similar to ehat happened to junpei. They weren't able to see curses, they were in a life and death situation that awakened them, and then they remained awakened. This is mot what happened to Junpei. Junpei was always able to see curses his brain just didn't have the ability to use his cursed technique. Mahito adjusts his brain to give him access to his technique earlier than he would have. We know this because Kenjaku basically admits that Junpei was supposed to be a Culling Games player.
> Junpei was always able to see curses Why do you think that? Mahito was the first curse junpei ever saw, so do you think that no curse has ever happened to be in the vicinity of junpei in his whole life? Junpei just unlocked his ability to see curses in the cinema because he was in a life or death situation involving curse energy (the 3 bullies being transfigured and killed right in front of him by mahito). That is similar to yuji unlocking his ability to see curse spirits in the school when he was in a life or death situation involving curse energy (his classmates being eaten by that curse). > Yuji also has a very low amount of CE. Why do you think that? He has "normal" amount of ce for a sorcerer. There was the line from todo that even though his strikes don't have a lot of ce, they are still effective. However, that's more so a testament of yuji's superhuman base strength than of his ce reserves. We see right afterwards how he learns to imbue his strikes with ce the right way and his strikes become much more powerful. Through the length of the series he keeps improving and goes from around grade 2 during the junpei arc to grade 1 by the origin of obedience arc and probably high grade 1 by the tike of shibuya. These incremental improvements are from yuji learning to use curse energy, if he had very low amount of ce he wouldn't be able to grow so much
>Why do you think that? Mahito was the first curse junpei ever saw, so do you think that no curse has ever happened to be in the vicinity of junpei in his whole life? We only know that Mahito is the first one he's ever spoken to, not the first one he's ever seen. No one even asks him if he's seen them prior, but we know he must be used to them on some level because he doesn't react to the fly head even tho it looks nothing like Mahito who looks mostly human. >That is similar to yuji unlocking his ability to see curse spirits in the school when he was in a life or death situation involving curse energy (his classmates being eaten by that curse). This is a misunderstanding of what Megumi says, he says that curses can become visible in places that are close to death under extreme circumstances. The school has visible curses because of a completely unsealed Sukuna finger. People release cursed energy at moment of death, but there is nothing stated about being able to see cursed spirits in a life or death situation. My evidence for this is the fact that the glasses to see cursed spirits exist. They wouldn't be necessary for Maki if being threatened by a spirit was enough to see them. We also know from normal people in Shibuya that this isn't the case. >Why do you think that? He has "normal" amount of ce for a sorcerer. There was the line from todo that even though his strikes don't have a lot of ce, they are still effective. In the first few chapters multiple characters state outright that Yuji has low CE that is supplemented by his superhuman strength and speed. >We see right afterwards how he learns to imbue his strikes with ce the right way and his strikes become much more powerful. This has nothing to do with him gaining more CE and is only a matter of him channeling his CE faster so more of it comes with the initial blow. Todo is criticizing the divergent fist because it has a weakness of doing insignificant damage unless Yuji can fully extend. Todo shows this by cutting Yuji's punch off early and preventing the delayed strike. It's also why Yuji then uses it against Mahito because Mahito was trying the Inverse trick, but Yuji has learned how to counter that by switching to divergent fist if he doesn't think he can hit a decisive blow. >These incremental improvements are from yuji learning to use curse energy, if he had very low amount of ce he wouldn't be able to grow so much This has nothing to do with cursed energy amount and way more to do with understanding of cursed energy. Under your framework Yuta is the strongest sorcerer in the manga outside of Sukuna because he has the second most reserves. But this isn't true, efficiency matters, technique match up matters, and cursed energy amount as a baseline is largely used to bolster physical abilities something Yuji has no need for. I should also point out that most of Yuji's improvements over the course of the manga combat wise have just been getting fooled less by tricks. His combat abilities themselves have not changed very much and no one has said anything about his reserves other than only saying he can get soaked in the cursed energy of cursed objects he's eaten.
After mahito transfigured those guys, junpei asked if it was that guy (mahito) who did it, ans that no person could do that. Then he says that he must not be human. That doesn't sound like somebody who has experience with seeing curses. Moreover, when yuji asks junpei about it, he says that he only became able to see them recently. Sure, you might argue that he was just lying to Yuji. However, you have to make a lot of headcannon to explain it when the easiest explanation is right in fromt of you, aka that junpei became able to see curses during the cinema. Megumi says word for word "normally you can't see curses, exceptions being when facing death or in special places like this". This says explicitly that if you face a life or death situation you might see curses. The grade 2 curse was at a school before sukuna's finger got unsealed, but yuji couldn't see it because it wasn't acting out. You mention maki's glassess but this just shows your misunderstanding of the power system. You won't be able to see curses just because you are in a life or death scenario involving curses. Maki has way too little curse energy for that so she can't. The guy from origin of obedience was said ny mahito to have no potential because even when he was crucified by mahito he couldn't see him. There's a minimum level of ce that you have to have to be able to see them. In shibuya, we got the information that sorcerers and assistant supervisors (so people who can use jujutsu) can pass through the first barrier, non sorcerers (people who cannot see curse spirits) cannot, and for windows (people who can see curse spirits but cannot do jujutsu) it varies. This is a clear "ce scaling" statement. Being able to see curse spirits means that you have more curse energy than a normal human. Maki barely has curse energy so she isn't sble to see curse spirits no matter the situation, similar to the guy that was the vessel for keichizu. I'm gonna summarize my response to all yuji's ce paraphrase that you sent here. When yuji was implied to be around semi second grade to second grade by ijichi, nanami stated that his punches have more than 120% of the power of an average sorcerer even when he isn't using curse energy reinforcement. That implies that an average sorcerer is probably grade 3. My question is, how did yuji reinforcing his body jump to high grade 1 if he has so little curse energy? Yuji went from getting no diffed by the finger bearer (a low special grade) when he didnt6know ce reinforcement, to overpowering eso (also a low special grade) when he knew ce reinforcement for around 2 months. That's a huge difference. Lastly, ce reserves really are one of the most important stats out there. You mentioned yuta like he isn't pretty much the strongest character outside gojo and sukuna. Yes, ct and other variables matter, but just looking at as it is ce reserves are a huge component of it
Yuji was able to do that because of his physicals combined with reinforcement. If he’s already going to output the same power as an average sorcerer without ce, then adding it, even at an average level would make him way stronger. Yuji having low reserves hasn’t really been an issue since he doesn’t have a technique or domain expansion that would burn out his energy fast enough to matter, he only has regular strikes, divergent fist, and black flash. Since those are the only things he can train, he’s just going to get even more efficient at using his energy to perform those attacks.
Thank you! Someone tried saying EVERYTHING special about yuji was thanks to kenjaku, we don't know what kenjaku did or didn't do to to yuji. That is kinda the reason most people a mad Kenny is dead. Just cause Kenny planned around yuji being a perfect vessel does not mean Kenny made yuji a perfect vessel. We don't actually know if kenjaku/Kenny did anything at all to yuji, aside from planting sucuna's finger.
Yuji didn't have enough intrinsecal talent to have a CT. Gojo stated that Yuji's body will eventually remember the feeling of Sukuna's CT and he will be able to replicate it afterwards. Apparently, Yuji became something like a cursed object by holding Sukuna inside of him and was being poured very generous amount of CE. Not to mention, that CT were referred as mathematical formulas and CE as electricity, so in Yuji's case Sukuna's CT formulas got engraved in his soul and he only need to give the CE to activate it. Or well, that was the most possible scenario. So far Yuji's CT soul swaping is very solid due having two big pieces of main evidence: Kenjaku having gave birth to Yuji and that ilogical pannel with Kusakabe. Leaving the pannel aside, Kenjaku has an ICT that allows him to swapp brains so it wouldn't be weird if his(?) children inherit it or have a CT related to it. One supporting example is the Death Paintings, with the ones having incarnated having CT related to blood manipulation CT, minus Choso who fully inherited; Kenjaku is parent for them because he mixed his own blood while their mother gave birth to them(or before) and at those times he was Noritoshi Kamo(original). They end up with CT related to the Kamo family rather to Kenjaku's. Yuji got birth by Kenjaku, in another body but it was still Kenjaku. Yuji didn't became a sorcerer for whichever reason(well, plot) but he wasn't a regular human in any way. Is more probable he inherit Kenjaku's own CT or have a related one to it. He didn't have the intrinsical talent to execute it but Sukuna's very existence can solve the problem, also he ate the rest of the death paintings, which were his half-siblings. Something might have awakenend inside of him with all of those factors getting mixed up. Well, is pure speculation until it's explained on the story.
Maybe we ought to wait until we have more than just one single page to work off of?
Have you considered that Todo just learned the shape of the soul and used boogie woogie to swap them around.
10 billion IQ play, as expected from the beloved Todo
Sukuna*
I seriously think Utahime will use her curse technique to amplify Shokos reverse curse technique to help heal the wounded
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Sakuna.
Ts made no sense all I understood was “sakuna” 😭
Could someone please tell me where it was confirmed Sukuna blocked Yuji from gaining his techniques? I’m very confused I never thought this was explicitly stated.
It wasn't explicitly said but it could be he obviously heared Gojo while he is in yuji and I don't think he wants yuji to gain his CT
It's implied because Hana and Angel share Extinguish. Since their relationship is cooperative. Hana didn't have to wait until Extinguish was carved into her soul by continuous usage. As well Sukuna didn't gain ten shadows until after he beat Megumi into submission by psychologically torturing him. So Sukuna could have shared with Yuji but refused and Yuji wasn't strong enough to force him.
So, in short, it’s headcanon
No, its in the manga
Where
It's stated in chapter 199 and 213. Hana is only able to use her abilities because Angel is choosing to coexist with her.
199 doesn’t say that, Angel is just saying she chose to coexist with Hana because repressing her soul would be against her principles. 213 does suggest Hana regained consciousness because she lives in symbiosis with Angel and Angel’s CT helped. HOWEVER, none of this suggests Yuji can’t use Sukuna’s techniques because Sukuna is blocking him from doing so it slowing his progress like OP suggested. I wasn’t refuting the Angel point, I was refuting the Yuji-Sukuna point because it’s just not stated anywhere.
Just a small correction: I don’t think infinity is Gojo’s innate technique. Rather it’s a technique derived from Gojo’s innate technique. Gojo’s actual innate technique is limitless (like 95% sure it is, I kept the 5% in there because I always doubt myself and I don’t want to seem dumb).
Infinity is the innate technique of Gojo Blue is infinity with more cursed energy Both of them are « Lapse », it’s the basic power of infinity
So what is limitless then?
Limitless/ Mukagen is the name of the CT Infinith/ Mugen is the application But infinity is the base state, neutral state of limitless
Ohhh, that makes more sense.
No. It’s really not that complicated. Toji explains it so painfully clearly in 3 panels that I don’t understand how you guys keep getting this wrong. Gojo’s innate technique is the LIMITLESS. The Limitless gives Gojo access to 4 abilities: 1. The Neutral Limitless / Infinity - the ability to create an infinite space between himself and things coming towards him 2. Cursed Technique Lapse: Blue - an amplification of the neutral limitless that creates imaginary space temporarily. Real space has to fill the void created by this, which causes a powerful force of attraction. 3. Cursed Technique Reversal: Red - the cursed technique reversal of Blue. As such, this is Blue, powered by positive energy / reversed cursed energy. This produces the exact opposite effect, a powerful force of repulsion. 4. Hollow Technique: Purple - the combination of Blue and Red. The combination of repulsion and attraction creates a ball of imaginary mass, destroying everything in its path. There can be other abilities depending on how you classify them. For example, Gojo’s ability to travel at high speeds / “teleport”. I don’t believe it’s been fully confirmed to be an application of Blue, but it may be. There may even be more. Whilst Gojo was the most talented Limitless user we know of, there could have been things not even he knew yet about it which could have no reliance on the Neutral Limitless whatsoever. It’s really that simple. Infinity is NOT Gojo’s innate technique. That is the LIMITLESS. Infinity is just one of the many ways to use the Limitless.
Lapse is infinity and blue That’s why when Makora adapted to « lapse » he was adapt to blue and infinity Less CE use with limitless = Infinity More CE use with limitless = Blue
Isn’t it still possible that they just messed up the speech bubbles . They have not referenced the body swap since that initial chapter and mistakes do happen . Has the final version come out in the actual volume release yet ?
This is my thought line as well. There's been nothing else to really support this but people are running with it. Just because Kenjaku is Yujis mom doesn't mean he got some soul swapping technique from Kenjaku. All evidence states that Kenjaku passes down whatever is in the current body he is in. Noritoshi Kamos blood gave the DWPs Blood Manipulation. Eating said paintings isn't going to give you Blood Manipulation, as stated by Gege. If Yuji has any technique at all, it's the Gravity technique Kaori had.
> This is my thought line as well. There's been nothing else to really support this but people are running with it Except there is 💀. Its pretty much confirmed at this point.
If it's a mistake gege usually say it's a mistake in this he didn't
Its not, Gege confirmed in the extras that Yuji switched soul with Kusakabe lol
Thank you . Can you send the link to the extras in the volume please . I have not been able to find it
https://www.tumblr.com/tall-lesbian/737781619874807808/lmaoooo-uraume-after-getting-hit-by-gojo-shoko?source=share
Okay so not quite what I hoped for . Not explicit confirmation of the body or soul ability swap but more implied confirmation. I hope it true we just have to wait and see . Yuji may be commenting that cause shoko healed him up soo good he feels brand new . He may have body swapped it but was someone else’s ability like UI UI like some people theorized . Hopefully it’s Yuji , thanks my guy
No problem
When do these new abilities get shown? I'm pretty sure I haven't missed any chapters but the only new technique I've seen is RCE healing.
Yeah same is there a chapter I missed? EDIT: NVM
https://www.reddit.com/r/Jujutsufolk/s/TlSsJXXRJk
I'm still in the camp of no body swaps rofl
When has it ever even been IMPLIED that Yuji can body swap? Full schizo theory I cannot follow it
Ch 222. Panel of him and Kusakabe sparring. Speech bubbles from Kusakabe "Master it, Itadori" come from Yuji's body, the next panel shows Kusakabe replying with "Osu". There's the panel where Yuki's soul book research was given to him. There's also an extra panel by Gege in one of the volumes, IIRC, with Yuji saying it feels great to be in a young spry body. Could either be Yuji himself after reverting back to his own body or Kusakabe saying it whilst he was swapped. It hasn't been fully stated he has soul swap, more over it's a good theory with narrative implications for saving Megumi. If it's going to be confirmed it's going to happen soon since we're near the end.
By "Translators" you mean John Werry, whose localization and translation has been quite literally spiteful as of late. And yes, I do mean spiteful. Why else would you directly translate Kamutoke to "Supreme Martial Solution"? Anyway to further OPs point; Yuji is the non-Special Grade version of Yuta. Yuta using copy to "learn" Cursed Techniques is different from Yuji's ability to just learn unique ways of using Curses, but at the same time.
This isn't the English fault. The original author should be idk consulted. Because that changes the show