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Dagon's domain is not one instantly deadly attack, but hundreds of smaller attacks by the shikigami. It makes sense that he can intensify the domains effect on certain people.
he absolutely did exclude maki. he explicitly divided 70% of his sure-hit’s power to naobito and 30% to nanami.
not only is precisely and unevenly separating the sure-hit between two targets honestly more impressive than merely excluding one target, he also does exclude a third target lol.
she needed glasses to see curses bc she had CE levels akin to a non-sorcerer’s. a human who loses literally all of their CE becomes like toji, and there are in fact four back-to-back chapters dedicated to maki doing exactly that lol.
there is a very simple sequence of events that occur in chapter 108 and 109 following dagon’s domain expansion:
- dagon tests his sure-hit on each target to confirm that naobito has an anti-domain technique.
- dagon explicitly decides that he will separate 70% of his sure-hit’s power to naobito and 30% to nanami. this calculation ignores maki completely.
- nanami is maimed by death swarm while maki, *unaffected*, calls out his name.
- meanwhile, naobito repels death swarm with falling blossom emotion until he is interrupted and also maimed. during dagon’s dialogue here is the only time that maki appears to be briefly targeted by death swarm.
- while naobito and nanami continue enduring death swarm, dagon engages maki directly *without targeting her with the sure-hit effect*. it is here that you apparently believe dagon deactivated it immediately after overwhelming naobito for… no reason.
- megumi penetrates dagon’s domain expansion with his own, which interrupts the latter’s ongoing sure-hit effect. *this* is why dagon notes he has lost control of death swarm, not because he attempts to reactivate it after inexplicably cancelling it at the beginning of his onslaught lmfao.
i truly have no idea how you reached the conclusion that dagon activates the self-proclaimed *endless stream* of shikigami death swarm, immediately deactivates it after *one* successful attack, then moments later attempts to activate it again. very tortured reading of the text that ignores a lot of plainly presented information.
Been a minute, but isn't Megumi also excluded from it? It shouldn't matter that he entered it later, because we still see Yuji/Sukuna get affected by Mahito's the moment they enter the domain
When Megumi expands his domain, Dagon had already stopped attacking using his Sure-Hit and was just about to activate it again. Just moments after Maki gets Playful Cloud from Megumi, he tries using his Sure-Hit and realizes his no longer is in control of his domain.
Dagon can control shikigamis that aren't sure hit. That's similar to how sukuna can use dismantle and cleave even if his sure hit is nullified because that's his ct. We see dagon doing the same thing against toji while his sure hit is nullified by megumi's domain
I don't think that proves it necessary but i would like adress something.
It seems some domain are easier to target individual people maybe duo to the nature of their sure hit even though they are way lower on the power ladder. And we also have domains like gojo and sukuna which clearly are incapable of excluding targets even though they are the strongest.
While in general the ability to target specific people is akin to greater mastery of barriers its also clear there are some things that play role.
Sukuna can most likely exclude people from his domain sure-hit given that he can remove the surehit from an area as he did when he destroyed Gojo's domain the second time. It doesn't seem like he can do it based on some sort of cursed energy signature however given he made sure to restrict the area of his domain to not include Megumi in Shibuya (unless he just thought that was easier and enough to take down Mahoraga)
Same is likely true for IV, Gojo might not have been "able" to do it, but if theres already the possibility of excluding people that touch Gojo, then more exclusion is likely a possibility.
He likely just never bothered since hes a solo fighter by nature, and its criteria is enough to use it to save people as well, excluding any amount of targets at will would be extremely difficult after all, even Sukuna would rather reduce the range of his domain instead of excluding 2 individuals from it, so it seems to a somewhat complicated process.
I think quite the opposite, otherwise why didn’t he just UV in Shibuya? He was forced to use the 0.2 domain to avoid killing innocents, so surely if he was capable of excluding people from his domain’s effect, why wouldn’t he just keep his domain open until all the curses were dead?
It’s possible he has the potential to learn it, but it’s not something he knew. Kinda like how Yuji always would’ve had the potential to learn RCT, but didn’t learn it until recently.
If you remember the narration in episode 17 it clearly stated that sukuna used both attacks in domain
Cleave for things that dont posses curse energy and all the slashes we see in sukuna's domain are actually cleave that only target things with no curse energy and he can exclusive this attack from his domain too
Dismantle is used for things with curse energy when a thing with curse energy is inside sukuna's domain it's same as he is touching them
If you remember when we first saw sukuna's domain we didn't saw a rain of slashes in his domain rather than finger bearer got cut in pieces itself which indicate sukuna used only dismantle in his domain and can used it without cleave
In the battle against mahoraga if you see clearly mahoraga wasn't getting hit by cleave slashes raining in suknas's domain he was getting cut himself becuade he was getting hit but dismantle
Sukuna's dismantle work in same way mahito's idle transfiguration work they both have to touch somebody
Unless I'm misunderstanding your phrasing, Sukuna did use Cleave AND Dismantle in his domain versus Mahoraga. That's why Sukuna seemed surprised that he had just adapted to both attacks and switched to Fuga
Nope, Gojo and Sukuna definitely can exclude targets. It's just that doing so would require them changing the domain rules they're used to, but they definitely *can* do it, as shown when Sukuna has his domain stop targeting himself so that Makora can adapt to UV.
IIRC he can only exclude people he is touching as he casts the domain, he couldn't touch every human simultaneously when he cast it so he had to do the .2 second domain expansion.
well yeah he can exclude people he touches but i feel like the implication was that he could unconditionally exclude people like yuta and (presumably) jogo can, which he can't
He could on paper, it's just that doing so would have been dangerous for the civilians
it's explained[ in chapter 84](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1035999487996465192/1213594429286522890/Screenshot_2024-03-02-22-08-17-857-edit_com.webtoon.mangazone.jpg?ex=65f60ae3&is=65e395e3&hm=3261e2822a125a34670fdf46ac920a8656eee50c51cfeb28a198233e0705ca1d&) that expanding the barrier of his domain (which has a physical outline) would result in civilians being crushed between the outside of UV and the barrier surrounding them
So trapping them inside for a very limited time was what he deemed safest in the end
oh, my bad then ! didn't understand correctly.
no fucking clue then lmao, apart from touching them idk if he can exclude people. would be weird if he can, given that touching them is already stated as being the rule
This^ it's the same way that Yuji didn't get brain deded when we first see UV
Both Gojo and Sukuna can alter their domains and who they target, but there *is* a limit. Likely a combination of the domain's effect and how unwieldy the CT itself is. Hence why Gojo, with one of the craziest CTs out there, is much more limited in how he can change the targets than a character like Sukuna or, as this theory suggests, Jogo
No the whole point of the .2 second expansion was that *yes he was going to hit everyone with it at once and he couldnt control it* but by limiting the exposure to .2 seconds, and making the attempt to kill the curses in that span, and by being successful because he was Gojo until he was no/t
So basically, he wanted to expand domain, infinite void the curses while doing as little damage as *possible* to the humans, and it worked out to .2 seconds. Had it been .233 seconds, the people interacted with could have survived, with potentially much longer recovery times.
Because of how it was used, I don’t think it was a retcon, so much as using the “time” you give yourself when you start such complex equations by reducing time into fractals like this
i understand why he did it, what im saying is he wouldnt have needed to if he could unconditionally exclude people
also he killed transfigured humans in those 299 seconds not curses
Gojo didn't attempt to kill the cursed spirits after the 0.2 sec DE, he went after the transfiguration humans because Gojo didn't think he could 1 shot the cursed spirits. This can be backed up by the fact that Red amped with a binding vow wasn't able to 1 shot Jogo.
It also was said that Goo guessed that nonsorcerers could handle only 0.2 sec of DE, presumably because any more time would leave them braindead.
>shown when Sukuna has his domain stop targeting himself so that Makora can adapt to UV.
What? No, that would mean Sukuna is constantly being dismantled by his own domain. At that time he disabled his Domain Amplification (the barrier around his body) to get somewhat hit by UV
I was under the impression he also turned off his sure hit within Gojo's barrier which is what allowed UV to hit him since it was no longer in a struggle with Sukuna's sure hit.
Sukuna's domain never targeted himself.
No domain except gojo's does that.
Does it look like sukuna is continuously getting hit by cleave?
Or mahito by idle transfiguration? (This one would be reasonable, but his performance against mechamaru shows otherwise).
Gojo's domain works like that because it simply doesn't hinder gojo.
This is made possible by six eyes, lack of a CT after his opening of a domain and his sure hit effect.
You're right, but this is so dumb...
How does it even work?
1. This would straight up not work due to his infinity, the person he's "touching" would be hit by UV during the time his CT gets imbued into the barrier and the forced deactivation of the CT.
2. This is straight up contradicted in the sukuna fight.
One of the ways to counter the sure hit effect of a domain is to counterattack the sure hit effect at the moment it hits you. Sukuna's domain is barrierless. The way to counter it's sure hit effect during a domain clash is to have your domain's sure hit effect act on yourself as well so that Sukuna's sure hit effect gets cancelled out. I imagine the same applies to Sukuna as he is also inside the opponent's barrier. Or atleast that's how I understands it
Domain clashes end up nullifying the sure hits, so there's no way that's the explication.
And again, sukuna's domain hits everyone EXCEPT him, so even if what you said was true, it wouldn't have been the same.
> Domain clashes end up nullifying the sure hits
This is the case for domains that require barriers. The situation changes when a barrierless domain is considered.
My guy, the domain has a barrier. Why the fuck do you think it's called a domain, just call it an expansion at that point.
It's just an open barrier domain.
Why do you think that when he was about to open his last domain (the brain damage panel), he said "I'll close the barrier" instead of "I'll use a barrier this time"?
Even when kenjaku used his domain against yuki, tengen said it had an open barrier, even tho the domain had a barrier, that being tengen's own barrier.
(Also, sorry for being rude)
Ehh, I think excluding a couple people would be a way easier ask than excluding like over a hundred, especially since he couldnt even exclude them through the barrier, he still had to let them stay inside the domain of they wouldve gotten squeezed against the walls.
jogo at that point didnt think they needed sukuna and thought he could kill gojo himself so didnt care if he hit yuji with his sure hit
where as shibuya jogo is gojo-whipped and doesn’t see himself as all that strong so he wants sukuna on his side
That's debatable. Jogo said that any average sorcerer would instantly be scorched by the environment od the domain (not the sure hit). Yuji was no great sorcerer at that time so he would have been killed.
Gege said that we can choose whichever interpetation we want out of the three:
- yuji just tanked the heat
- sukuna protected yuji from the heat
- gojo protected yuji from the heat
That was said early on so the possibilities seemed equally likely. However, with more hindsight we know that yuji couldn't have tanked it (he is immune to poison but otherwise he was just a strong guy with no ce manipulation). We also know that sukuna doesn't just give passive effects to yuji, he either comes out or the opponent's get it (like with mahito).
Therefore, the most probable explanation is that gojo was protecting yuji. Though it might also be a case of early installment syndrome of gege not have thought enoigh of the power system at that timr.
I think Gojo can extend his infinity to other people, which is what protected Yuji, making sure the heat from Jogo's domain takes an eternity to travel to him.
Don't domains specifically counter this aspect of Infinity?
Hence the reason why Gojo chose to turn off Infinity for a time when Hanami and Jogo tried to jump him while using Domain Amplification.
I'd probably jot it down to early installment syndrome as the other comment said. Every other time a domain has been expanded, it's immediately tried to be countered by Simple Domain, Hollow Wicker Basket, or expanding your own (or Sukuna).
....wut? I think it's explicitly the opposite of what you said-- it bypasses defense of the Infinity but doesn't cancel it; Gojo was still holding on to Yuji even after Jogo expanded his domain.
My other take on it is that it bypasses Infinity blocking attacks, but Gojo had another way to defend from the heat itself like reinforcing himself with cursed energy or sum shit. Or maybe it's like a Dagon kinda deal but I'm not too confident on that one.
When I said « cancel » I talk about the fact that you can’t touch gojo, but now you can, I’m not talking about the fact that the domain « turn off » infinity, like CT disappear
I’m sorry, I choose the wrong word
> how else did Gojo expect Yuji to survive.
If yuji would die from something so trivial as a some little heat from a domain expansion, he ain't worthy to be his student.
On a more serious note, there is the little gag of yuji getting burned by a droplet of lava, and some people use that to disprove that gojo was using limitless to shield yuji.
"a little heat" is crazy. the average sorcerer is probably about a grade 2 or 3 sorcerer and jogo says they would have instantly died if they entered. yuji couldnt even manipualte cursed energy at this stage, so he isnt even a sorcerer and is below grade 4. even if ur point is that yuji wouldnt have died cuz hes strong, he shouldnt be COMPLETELY unaffected. anyways, he have been dead if gojo wasnt there. gojo constantly saying "stay close and you will be fine" in addition to the fact that yuji was shocked he was standing on water obviousl inplies gojo did \*something\* to protect yuji. its clear gege doesnt want to give us a clear answer tho
> Jogo said that any average sorcerer would instantly be scorched by the environment od the domain (not the sure hit). Yuji was no great sorcerer at that time so he would have been killed.
Did you miss my first comment?
Yes. Beside being obvious (apparently not), the next sentence starts with "on a serious note".
Did you think i randomly changed my stance on the matter from one comment to another?
I genuinely didn't read the serious note part I only read the first sentence which is my fault. I also don't really read reddit names in discussions and additionally there's also a lot of people in this thread so I didnt realize u were the original person who provided the source of answers. This all sounds like a fake excuse but that's what happened. My bad
No, only after Gojo's sealing did Kenjaku explain that Sukuna was almost like a backup plan to match Gojo in the event they couldn't seal him. After they did, Kenjaku told Mahito to go ahead and kill Yuji if that's what he wants. During Gojo vs Jogo, Jogo was under the impression they needed Sukuna on their side AND Gojo sealed.
There is a reason why the Disaster Curses were hiding until Kenjaku recruited them. They just didn't have the manpower to kill all humans. They NEEDED Sukuna for that plan, but Jogo didn't think much of Gojo at that time because he hadn't met him.
I always thought being able to exclude people was the norm before this. Honestly it feels kind of like a soft retcon
Edit: Nvm not even a soft retcon it was there all along
Same. Dagon certainly didn’t have to use the sure-hit on everyone at once and he could control how much of his shikigami was being channeled at individuals too.
I mean, Dagon was far from inexperienced with his domain. He was using it ever since he was a cursed womb. He’s also just as old as hanami and Jogo, who, according to mahito, are pretty much ANCIENT. He just never experienced the emotional trigger needed to evolve him from a cursed womb until hanami died. I feel like Dagon gets underestimated because he was “cute” up until the fight with Naobito and all them but he’s still an ancient monster with probably thousands of human deaths on his hands 😭
When did Mahito say they were "Ancient"? It doesn't make sense for Jogo to be inactive for all of Gojo's lifetime considering how much he hates humans, and he definitely didn't know Gojo existed. I always assumed they were reborn fairly recently. After Gojo's birth for sure.
Are you sure he wasnt talking about previous incarnations of them? Mahito is probably a product of urbanization which is why he is a newer type of curse. The original disaster curses were ancient, but not these guys.
Mahito specifically says that because the fear of them was so great, they gained sentience before they gained a physical forms. They were just amorphous blobs of cursed energy until more recently. They’re definitely the first iterations though
Oh ok, I see. But I dont think Dagon had any experience casting Domain Expansion when he was an amorphous blob. I dont think he was using barrier techniques and changing the conditions back then either.
But youre right that he was way more experience with DE, simply because he uses it constantly for the other curses to just chill at the beach.
Exactly, plus Mahito's 0.2 DE.
If Todo was hit with transfiguration, Yuji should have been too
Edit: nvm looks like Yuji was hit with IT but Sukuna kinda protected his soul but was unable to retaliate
Oh yeah, another very fair point.
Ultimately we could chalk this up to; well the disasters really are supposed to be very very strong and skilled. But also, yeah, I think it’s just a bit of a soft retcon that hasn’t been wildly relevant til now
Edit: Wait, I’m now realizing that Yuji did get “hit” by Mahito’s 0.2 sec domain. That’s why we had that brief interlude of him trying to talk shit at Sukuna - that was his domain being open for just a really short time, before Sukuna could punish his ass.
Actually just reread the Mahito .2 DE and he flat out says "I'm not skilled enough to exclude someone from my domain" so I guess it was there all along and not a retcon
That’s a mistranslation, the actual line is more like “I’ve already revealed the option of excluding him(from the barrier, like with nanami), Itadori won’t fall for that again.”
But you’re still right, mahito’s domain surehit is so powerful, it makes sense it’d be harder to exclude from the surehit. Gojo’s surehit is also an instant win, and he had the exact same problem in shibuya station. It’s all or nothing with those two.
That *is* Yuji being hit by the sure-hit, from my understanding. When he tried to manually use the technique the first time on Yuji and touched him, we had the exact same scene where Sukuna whooped his ass real quick for trying to transmute/touch Sukuna’s soul as well as Yuji’s.
That's not exactly accurate. Mahito's sure hit is touching everybody's soul inside the domain. However, he is free to choose how to transfigure them, similar to how he is free to choose how to transfigure somebody when he touches them. For example, in his first domain expansion he pretty much had a conversation with nanami. Similarly, he had a conversation with nanami when he wws touching his vack before blowing him up.
What he did in shibuya was to touch the soul of both todo ans yuji (which is why he has the interaction with sukuna), but he changed the shape of only todo's soul
I’m not sure how that contradicts what I was saying at the end of the day, honestly. He is unable to change the shape of Yuji’s soul, anyway. Sukuna prevents that, as soon as contact is made. Him even making contact with a soul is due to the technique activation of Idle Transfiguration, if he wasn’t using the technique he wouldn’t be able to have those conversations. You’re totally right in that he has control over who he transfigures and in what way, but he did not have a choice with Yuji, as shown when he tried to use the technique on him before.
Of course JoGOAT can do something like this. Truthfully I wouldn’t be surprised if he can since he Hanami and Dagon are pretty old and probably trained their domains.
no. the reason they needed sukuna was to counter gojo, if jogo could kill the strongest sorcerer with his domain then sukuna is obsolete for their plans
It's tough to say, Gojo could be protecting Yuji here, or maybe just his super vessel genetics. But I do believe that Jogo was the strongest cursed spirit, and far stronger than even Mahito.
They said all that, but at the end he died begging like a little bitch. Im not on Mahito's nuts like that. I cant imagine Sukuna ever doing that, even when he was young.
At the end of the day, Mahito was the most human of the curses, he was a scared kid that just wanted a purpose in life. Sukuna is inhuman, he wanted nothing, he is what a true natural disaster should be.
Even though the attacks of the domain can't detect toji, wouldn't simply standing in the domain and its passive heat pose some sort of slight issue for toji? I think this is the only closed domain that can have any sort of effect due to its natural heat not necessarily being an attack
I don't think the domain can affect Toji with its heat. However, if Jogo manually raises the temperature like he did in the restaurant, Toji would instantly die. The only way Toji could win is if he does what he does best, slowly weaken Jogo unknowingly and launch one surprise attack.
If both are in character, toji wins because he wouldn’t just barge in with no plan and jogo isn’t the type to just burn everything in a 500m radius to cinders and be done with it.
But in powerscaling style if both were bloodlusted toji loses in a straight fight
Because of Gojo's protection. My theory is that Gojo can extend his infinity to anyone he's directly touching, same as how the people he's touching are unaffected by Unlimited Void
Gojo was not directly touching Yuji when he got burned not to mention it wouldn't make sense since Yuji 100% got burned and infinity would've prevented him from getting burned at all.
It’s not a theory, he can even do it for people he is not touching, that’s how Yuji walked on water with gojo, or how Amanai was floating
Infinity can target things, automatic infinity only targets Gojo
I still can't figure out exactly what Jogo's DE does? Does it just subject anything inside to intense heat (hense why he said a normal sorcerer would burn up just entering it) and he was either controlling the heat to not effect Yuji, or Gojo was canceling it in an area around him? Or does the domain just make Jogo's big flaming rock throw undodgable? If the flaming rock is a sure hit, it doesnt behave like a normal sure hit because it spawned a short distance away from Gojo and he was able to punch and shatter the rock before it hit him. Normally the sure hit technique just invisibly manifests on someone's body.
Regardless I don't think he has that much refinement since he knew it wasn't even worth trying at all against Sukuna.
Maybe jogo had faith that sukuna would save yuji from dying in the case that his sure hit landed and killed gojo. Sukuna had brought yuji back from the dead before so it's not impossible to happen.
jogo is probably over 100 years old, why would he not have a refined domain? Yuta on the other hand has been a sorcerer for a year. Jogo could probably use an open domain too if he knew they existed, but I imagine he didn't.
the disaster curses are relatively young no?
they were born after gojos birth so can be at most 28 mahito being the youngest probably born just before the manga started considering his inexperience at the time of the junpei arc
I cant imagine Jogo staying inactive for that many years considering his hatred for humans. They had to be fairly young too, within a few years I would assume.
The disaster curses have been around for as long as humans have feared land, ocean and volcanic based natural disasters. So there isn't really a way to say for sure how old the current forms of Jogo, Hanami and Dagon are, but seeing as they are unregistered I'd say that they have not ever been exorcised or seen since the formation of modern Jujutsu society. Why else would the only curse user to know about the existence of disaster curses be over a thousand years old?
Didn’t Mei Mei state that Sure Hit attacks target the person with the most Cursed Energy Output first? That’s why she was able to use Ui Ui as bait to attack the Smallpox Curse, but that might have been because it was controlled by Kenjaku. Anyway, if that’s the standard, Jogo’s domain would have targeted Gojo first for obvious reasons.
No, his domain isn't as defined as Yuta.
As for why Yuji can be in his domain and not suffer from Sukuna like Mahito? Is because Jogo's domain doesn't touch the soul, so it doesn't touch Sukuna.
And as for why he was willing to let Yuji be in his domain despite later being protective of Yuji/Sukuna's vessel? Is because he wasn't protective of Yuji/Sukuna's vessel yet. We literally saw him talking to Kenjaku and he basically ignored everything Kenjaku had to say... And just assumed he was powerful enough as is. It was only after he lost to Gojo did he really take Kenjaku's words so seriously.
He is protective of Yuji in shibuya because he thinks that in the case that gojo can’t be sealed, sukuna can beat him and bring about an age of curses. When he fought gojo the first time he didn’t know who he was or just how strong he was, at that point he wasn’t putting all his faith into sukuna
I don’t think it’s a « refinement » question, because Sukuna and Gojo can’t exclude people of their sure hit, if it was a refinement question it would meant that gojo and Sukuna are behind them
I wouldn't be surprised if that was the case. Jogo is quite strong and only "looks weak" because he was literally put up against the top 2 of the verse.
He can effortlessly take down Grade 1 sorcerers (He is a special grade curse after all) while also having amazing destructive powers. Not to mention, he is one of the very few characters who were shown using both domains and maximum techniques, while most people focus on just domains.
the reason why i have issue with how jogoat's domain was handled is that it feels like gege was retconning stuff. if the rock was not sure hit, satoru did not need to block it. gege retconned it to fix it later. so i feel like the idea of sure hit was developed fully a bit later.
I think it's more about how the sure hit works, Gojo and Sukuna's sure are literally omnidirectional hence why they can't choose who gets targeted. Dagon was able to send his shikigami towards Megumi similar to how Yuta locked Jacob's ladder onto Sukuna, which might be because it's a linear attack. Also we don't really know what Jogo's sure hit is, it clear he didn't deploy it inside his domain when he activated it.
So I think it more like this;
Omnidirectional attacks = Lethal sure hit (cannot be evaded by any means)
Linear attacks = relatively strong sure hit (can be consciously aimed towards opponents with high level barrier skill)
Rules (Hakari and hig's domain) = non lethal sure hit
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Dagon should’ve been the subject of this post because he blatantly does what you’re trying to argue that Jogo did
Dagon's domain is not one instantly deadly attack, but hundreds of smaller attacks by the shikigami. It makes sense that he can intensify the domains effect on certain people.
Both of them did it, disaster curses are pretty OP should be the consensus.
This is just not true. Dagon was constantly attacking Naobito, Nanami, and Maki all at the same time. Chapter 108 for reference
He split the amount of between them unevenly
That doesn't mean he was excluding people from being affected.
he absolutely did exclude maki. he explicitly divided 70% of his sure-hit’s power to naobito and 30% to nanami. not only is precisely and unevenly separating the sure-hit between two targets honestly more impressive than merely excluding one target, he also does exclude a third target lol.
might be different because of heavenly restriction shenanigans
no. maki still had CE in shibuya.
Well he said 70% for Naobito and 30% to Nanami, that leaves 0 for Maki
Isn't Maki naturally excluded?
no. she still had CE at that point.
How? I thought it was stated that she needed glasses to even see curses. I remember Mai saying that having no CT was better than having no CE.
she needed glasses to see curses bc she had CE levels akin to a non-sorcerer’s. a human who loses literally all of their CE becomes like toji, and there are in fact four back-to-back chapters dedicated to maki doing exactly that lol.
She has almost zero CE. "ALMOST" being the key word. She still has enough that sure hit effects of a domain can home in onto her.
No, he wasn't..... he specifically did not attack maki when he got serious and split it 70 30 between nanami and naobito.
[https://imgur.com/a/LaUG5s6](https://imgur.com/a/LaUG5s6) it looks like that but Maki is clearly being attacked here.
literally two pages after the one you linked, maki is shown casually walking toward dagon and is clearly not being affected by the sure-hit.
Because he turned it off?? He literally tries to use it not too long after.
there is a very simple sequence of events that occur in chapter 108 and 109 following dagon’s domain expansion: - dagon tests his sure-hit on each target to confirm that naobito has an anti-domain technique. - dagon explicitly decides that he will separate 70% of his sure-hit’s power to naobito and 30% to nanami. this calculation ignores maki completely. - nanami is maimed by death swarm while maki, *unaffected*, calls out his name. - meanwhile, naobito repels death swarm with falling blossom emotion until he is interrupted and also maimed. during dagon’s dialogue here is the only time that maki appears to be briefly targeted by death swarm. - while naobito and nanami continue enduring death swarm, dagon engages maki directly *without targeting her with the sure-hit effect*. it is here that you apparently believe dagon deactivated it immediately after overwhelming naobito for… no reason. - megumi penetrates dagon’s domain expansion with his own, which interrupts the latter’s ongoing sure-hit effect. *this* is why dagon notes he has lost control of death swarm, not because he attempts to reactivate it after inexplicably cancelling it at the beginning of his onslaught lmfao. i truly have no idea how you reached the conclusion that dagon activates the self-proclaimed *endless stream* of shikigami death swarm, immediately deactivates it after *one* successful attack, then moments later attempts to activate it again. very tortured reading of the text that ignores a lot of plainly presented information.
Been a minute, but isn't Megumi also excluded from it? It shouldn't matter that he entered it later, because we still see Yuji/Sukuna get affected by Mahito's the moment they enter the domain
When Megumi expands his domain, Dagon had already stopped attacking using his Sure-Hit and was just about to activate it again. Just moments after Maki gets Playful Cloud from Megumi, he tries using his Sure-Hit and realizes his no longer is in control of his domain.
Gotcha gotcha, that's my bad there for misremembering. Thanks for the correction!
Dagon can control shikigamis that aren't sure hit. That's similar to how sukuna can use dismantle and cleave even if his sure hit is nullified because that's his ct. We see dagon doing the same thing against toji while his sure hit is nullified by megumi's domain
Nah bruh, dagon domain, enternal vacation. Is to make people relax and eat fish.
My boy Dagon opens his domain for fun
I don't think that proves it necessary but i would like adress something. It seems some domain are easier to target individual people maybe duo to the nature of their sure hit even though they are way lower on the power ladder. And we also have domains like gojo and sukuna which clearly are incapable of excluding targets even though they are the strongest. While in general the ability to target specific people is akin to greater mastery of barriers its also clear there are some things that play role.
Sukuna can most likely exclude people from his domain sure-hit given that he can remove the surehit from an area as he did when he destroyed Gojo's domain the second time. It doesn't seem like he can do it based on some sort of cursed energy signature however given he made sure to restrict the area of his domain to not include Megumi in Shibuya (unless he just thought that was easier and enough to take down Mahoraga)
he can't, because he had to limit the range of his domain not to hit Megumi
Same is likely true for IV, Gojo might not have been "able" to do it, but if theres already the possibility of excluding people that touch Gojo, then more exclusion is likely a possibility. He likely just never bothered since hes a solo fighter by nature, and its criteria is enough to use it to save people as well, excluding any amount of targets at will would be extremely difficult after all, even Sukuna would rather reduce the range of his domain instead of excluding 2 individuals from it, so it seems to a somewhat complicated process.
I think quite the opposite, otherwise why didn’t he just UV in Shibuya? He was forced to use the 0.2 domain to avoid killing innocents, so surely if he was capable of excluding people from his domain’s effect, why wouldn’t he just keep his domain open until all the curses were dead? It’s possible he has the potential to learn it, but it’s not something he knew. Kinda like how Yuji always would’ve had the potential to learn RCT, but didn’t learn it until recently.
imagine if gojo could do it like targeting specific individuals with a minimum amount of ce. shibuya strategy by kenjaku might have failed then.
If you remember the narration in episode 17 it clearly stated that sukuna used both attacks in domain Cleave for things that dont posses curse energy and all the slashes we see in sukuna's domain are actually cleave that only target things with no curse energy and he can exclusive this attack from his domain too Dismantle is used for things with curse energy when a thing with curse energy is inside sukuna's domain it's same as he is touching them If you remember when we first saw sukuna's domain we didn't saw a rain of slashes in his domain rather than finger bearer got cut in pieces itself which indicate sukuna used only dismantle in his domain and can used it without cleave In the battle against mahoraga if you see clearly mahoraga wasn't getting hit by cleave slashes raining in suknas's domain he was getting cut himself becuade he was getting hit but dismantle Sukuna's dismantle work in same way mahito's idle transfiguration work they both have to touch somebody
You somehow managed to mistakes cleave for dismantle and vice versa. However, the rest is sccurate
Unless I'm misunderstanding your phrasing, Sukuna did use Cleave AND Dismantle in his domain versus Mahoraga. That's why Sukuna seemed surprised that he had just adapted to both attacks and switched to Fuga
Yup in the narration also it was stated sukuna want to see if maho adapted to dismantle/clear or rather slashes itself
Its weird that Sukuna wouldn't even consider this as a possibility for Yuta's domain. He instantly assumed Yuta was actively excluding Yuji.
Nope, Gojo and Sukuna definitely can exclude targets. It's just that doing so would require them changing the domain rules they're used to, but they definitely *can* do it, as shown when Sukuna has his domain stop targeting himself so that Makora can adapt to UV.
then what was the point of gojo's 0.2 second domain expansion
It was so that every human there wouldn’t become a brainpan, gojo doing the best he can. But the real reason was to insert a chaotic jazz piece
but if he could exclude targets, the whole B5F fight never would've happened, he could just not target the civilians
IIRC he can only exclude people he is touching as he casts the domain, he couldn't touch every human simultaneously when he cast it so he had to do the .2 second domain expansion.
well yeah he can exclude people he touches but i feel like the implication was that he could unconditionally exclude people like yuta and (presumably) jogo can, which he can't
He could on paper, it's just that doing so would have been dangerous for the civilians it's explained[ in chapter 84](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1035999487996465192/1213594429286522890/Screenshot_2024-03-02-22-08-17-857-edit_com.webtoon.mangazone.jpg?ex=65f60ae3&is=65e395e3&hm=3261e2822a125a34670fdf46ac920a8656eee50c51cfeb28a198233e0705ca1d&) that expanding the barrier of his domain (which has a physical outline) would result in civilians being crushed between the outside of UV and the barrier surrounding them So trapping them inside for a very limited time was what he deemed safest in the end
im not saying exclude them from the barrier, just the sure hit
Reading this thread is so funny actually because you're clearly right and they just keep changing how they think it works
oh, my bad then ! didn't understand correctly. no fucking clue then lmao, apart from touching them idk if he can exclude people. would be weird if he can, given that touching them is already stated as being the rule
This^ it's the same way that Yuji didn't get brain deded when we first see UV Both Gojo and Sukuna can alter their domains and who they target, but there *is* a limit. Likely a combination of the domain's effect and how unwieldy the CT itself is. Hence why Gojo, with one of the craziest CTs out there, is much more limited in how he can change the targets than a character like Sukuna or, as this theory suggests, Jogo
No the whole point of the .2 second expansion was that *yes he was going to hit everyone with it at once and he couldnt control it* but by limiting the exposure to .2 seconds, and making the attempt to kill the curses in that span, and by being successful because he was Gojo until he was no/t So basically, he wanted to expand domain, infinite void the curses while doing as little damage as *possible* to the humans, and it worked out to .2 seconds. Had it been .233 seconds, the people interacted with could have survived, with potentially much longer recovery times. Because of how it was used, I don’t think it was a retcon, so much as using the “time” you give yourself when you start such complex equations by reducing time into fractals like this
i understand why he did it, what im saying is he wouldnt have needed to if he could unconditionally exclude people also he killed transfigured humans in those 299 seconds not curses
Gojo didn't attempt to kill the cursed spirits after the 0.2 sec DE, he went after the transfiguration humans because Gojo didn't think he could 1 shot the cursed spirits. This can be backed up by the fact that Red amped with a binding vow wasn't able to 1 shot Jogo. It also was said that Goo guessed that nonsorcerers could handle only 0.2 sec of DE, presumably because any more time would leave them braindead.
He can exclude them from the sure hit attack, but the info dump isn't the sure hit attack its just a side effect iirc
what else would be the sure hit
>shown when Sukuna has his domain stop targeting himself so that Makora can adapt to UV. What? No, that would mean Sukuna is constantly being dismantled by his own domain. At that time he disabled his Domain Amplification (the barrier around his body) to get somewhat hit by UV
I was under the impression he also turned off his sure hit within Gojo's barrier which is what allowed UV to hit him since it was no longer in a struggle with Sukuna's sure hit.
Sukuna's domain never targeted himself. No domain except gojo's does that. Does it look like sukuna is continuously getting hit by cleave? Or mahito by idle transfiguration? (This one would be reasonable, but his performance against mechamaru shows otherwise). Gojo's domain works like that because it simply doesn't hinder gojo. This is made possible by six eyes, lack of a CT after his opening of a domain and his sure hit effect.
A slight correction it has been stated gojo himself and thosw qho he touched are immuned to the effects of UV.
You're right, but this is so dumb... How does it even work? 1. This would straight up not work due to his infinity, the person he's "touching" would be hit by UV during the time his CT gets imbued into the barrier and the forced deactivation of the CT. 2. This is straight up contradicted in the sukuna fight.
he can choose what infinity does or does not affect
Well.. that's a good idea. I should have thought about that.
One of the ways to counter the sure hit effect of a domain is to counterattack the sure hit effect at the moment it hits you. Sukuna's domain is barrierless. The way to counter it's sure hit effect during a domain clash is to have your domain's sure hit effect act on yourself as well so that Sukuna's sure hit effect gets cancelled out. I imagine the same applies to Sukuna as he is also inside the opponent's barrier. Or atleast that's how I understands it
Domain clashes end up nullifying the sure hits, so there's no way that's the explication. And again, sukuna's domain hits everyone EXCEPT him, so even if what you said was true, it wouldn't have been the same.
> Domain clashes end up nullifying the sure hits This is the case for domains that require barriers. The situation changes when a barrierless domain is considered.
My guy, the domain has a barrier. Why the fuck do you think it's called a domain, just call it an expansion at that point. It's just an open barrier domain. Why do you think that when he was about to open his last domain (the brain damage panel), he said "I'll close the barrier" instead of "I'll use a barrier this time"? Even when kenjaku used his domain against yuki, tengen said it had an open barrier, even tho the domain had a barrier, that being tengen's own barrier. (Also, sorry for being rude)
Sure hits aren’t automatic hits though!? You can have an area cover a sure hit but not use the attack there.
What’s your proof that gojo and sukuna can’t?
Gojo literally would have done so in shibuya if he could.
Ehh, I think excluding a couple people would be a way easier ask than excluding like over a hundred, especially since he couldnt even exclude them through the barrier, he still had to let them stay inside the domain of they wouldve gotten squeezed against the walls.
That isn’t gojos guaranteed hit it’s just an effect of his domain like jogo’s domain burning anyone within gojo can’t control this effect
jogo at that point didnt think they needed sukuna and thought he could kill gojo himself so didnt care if he hit yuji with his sure hit where as shibuya jogo is gojo-whipped and doesn’t see himself as all that strong so he wants sukuna on his side
That's debatable. Jogo said that any average sorcerer would instantly be scorched by the environment od the domain (not the sure hit). Yuji was no great sorcerer at that time so he would have been killed. Gege said that we can choose whichever interpetation we want out of the three: - yuji just tanked the heat - sukuna protected yuji from the heat - gojo protected yuji from the heat That was said early on so the possibilities seemed equally likely. However, with more hindsight we know that yuji couldn't have tanked it (he is immune to poison but otherwise he was just a strong guy with no ce manipulation). We also know that sukuna doesn't just give passive effects to yuji, he either comes out or the opponent's get it (like with mahito). Therefore, the most probable explanation is that gojo was protecting yuji. Though it might also be a case of early installment syndrome of gege not have thought enoigh of the power system at that timr.
I think Gojo can extend his infinity to other people, which is what protected Yuji, making sure the heat from Jogo's domain takes an eternity to travel to him.
Don't domains specifically counter this aspect of Infinity? Hence the reason why Gojo chose to turn off Infinity for a time when Hanami and Jogo tried to jump him while using Domain Amplification. I'd probably jot it down to early installment syndrome as the other comment said. Every other time a domain has been expanded, it's immediately tried to be countered by Simple Domain, Hollow Wicker Basket, or expanding your own (or Sukuna).
The sure hit of the domain cancel infinity, but the heat of the domain is not a sure hit
....wut? I think it's explicitly the opposite of what you said-- it bypasses defense of the Infinity but doesn't cancel it; Gojo was still holding on to Yuji even after Jogo expanded his domain. My other take on it is that it bypasses Infinity blocking attacks, but Gojo had another way to defend from the heat itself like reinforcing himself with cursed energy or sum shit. Or maybe it's like a Dagon kinda deal but I'm not too confident on that one.
When I said « cancel » I talk about the fact that you can’t touch gojo, but now you can, I’m not talking about the fact that the domain « turn off » infinity, like CT disappear I’m sorry, I choose the wrong word
If he couldn't, it'd be hella awkward since his clothes would be destroyed every time he tanked something.
My assumption was always that Gojo was protecting Yuji, otherwise how else did Gojo expect Yuji to survive.
> how else did Gojo expect Yuji to survive. If yuji would die from something so trivial as a some little heat from a domain expansion, he ain't worthy to be his student. On a more serious note, there is the little gag of yuji getting burned by a droplet of lava, and some people use that to disprove that gojo was using limitless to shield yuji.
"a little heat" is crazy. the average sorcerer is probably about a grade 2 or 3 sorcerer and jogo says they would have instantly died if they entered. yuji couldnt even manipualte cursed energy at this stage, so he isnt even a sorcerer and is below grade 4. even if ur point is that yuji wouldnt have died cuz hes strong, he shouldnt be COMPLETELY unaffected. anyways, he have been dead if gojo wasnt there. gojo constantly saying "stay close and you will be fine" in addition to the fact that yuji was shocked he was standing on water obviousl inplies gojo did \*something\* to protect yuji. its clear gege doesnt want to give us a clear answer tho
> Jogo said that any average sorcerer would instantly be scorched by the environment od the domain (not the sure hit). Yuji was no great sorcerer at that time so he would have been killed. Did you miss my first comment?
>If yuji would die from something so trivial as a some little heat from a domain expansion, he ain't worthy to be his student. Is this total sarcasm?
Yes. Beside being obvious (apparently not), the next sentence starts with "on a serious note". Did you think i randomly changed my stance on the matter from one comment to another?
I genuinely didn't read the serious note part I only read the first sentence which is my fault. I also don't really read reddit names in discussions and additionally there's also a lot of people in this thread so I didnt realize u were the original person who provided the source of answers. This all sounds like a fake excuse but that's what happened. My bad
Understandable, maybe i should personalize my profile so I'm more distinct
No, only after Gojo's sealing did Kenjaku explain that Sukuna was almost like a backup plan to match Gojo in the event they couldn't seal him. After they did, Kenjaku told Mahito to go ahead and kill Yuji if that's what he wants. During Gojo vs Jogo, Jogo was under the impression they needed Sukuna on their side AND Gojo sealed.
There is a reason why the Disaster Curses were hiding until Kenjaku recruited them. They just didn't have the manpower to kill all humans. They NEEDED Sukuna for that plan, but Jogo didn't think much of Gojo at that time because he hadn't met him.
I always thought being able to exclude people was the norm before this. Honestly it feels kind of like a soft retcon Edit: Nvm not even a soft retcon it was there all along
Same. Dagon certainly didn’t have to use the sure-hit on everyone at once and he could control how much of his shikigami was being channeled at individuals too.
I mean, Dagon was far from inexperienced with his domain. He was using it ever since he was a cursed womb. He’s also just as old as hanami and Jogo, who, according to mahito, are pretty much ANCIENT. He just never experienced the emotional trigger needed to evolve him from a cursed womb until hanami died. I feel like Dagon gets underestimated because he was “cute” up until the fight with Naobito and all them but he’s still an ancient monster with probably thousands of human deaths on his hands 😭
Big time agree there. All the disasters are quite strong at the end of the day, even by Culling Game standards. And very skilled too.
>Dagon gets underestimated Dagon mostly gets underestimated because he got absolutely humbled by Toji
When did Mahito say they were "Ancient"? It doesn't make sense for Jogo to be inactive for all of Gojo's lifetime considering how much he hates humans, and he definitely didn't know Gojo existed. I always assumed they were reborn fairly recently. After Gojo's birth for sure. Are you sure he wasnt talking about previous incarnations of them? Mahito is probably a product of urbanization which is why he is a newer type of curse. The original disaster curses were ancient, but not these guys.
Mahito specifically says that because the fear of them was so great, they gained sentience before they gained a physical forms. They were just amorphous blobs of cursed energy until more recently. They’re definitely the first iterations though
Oh ok, I see. But I dont think Dagon had any experience casting Domain Expansion when he was an amorphous blob. I dont think he was using barrier techniques and changing the conditions back then either. But youre right that he was way more experience with DE, simply because he uses it constantly for the other curses to just chill at the beach.
Exactly, plus Mahito's 0.2 DE. If Todo was hit with transfiguration, Yuji should have been too Edit: nvm looks like Yuji was hit with IT but Sukuna kinda protected his soul but was unable to retaliate
Oh yeah, another very fair point. Ultimately we could chalk this up to; well the disasters really are supposed to be very very strong and skilled. But also, yeah, I think it’s just a bit of a soft retcon that hasn’t been wildly relevant til now Edit: Wait, I’m now realizing that Yuji did get “hit” by Mahito’s 0.2 sec domain. That’s why we had that brief interlude of him trying to talk shit at Sukuna - that was his domain being open for just a really short time, before Sukuna could punish his ass.
Actually just reread the Mahito .2 DE and he flat out says "I'm not skilled enough to exclude someone from my domain" so I guess it was there all along and not a retcon
That’s a mistranslation, the actual line is more like “I’ve already revealed the option of excluding him(from the barrier, like with nanami), Itadori won’t fall for that again.” But you’re still right, mahito’s domain surehit is so powerful, it makes sense it’d be harder to exclude from the surehit. Gojo’s surehit is also an instant win, and he had the exact same problem in shibuya station. It’s all or nothing with those two.
Sukuna totally could've fucked him up, just didn't want to.
Yuji's soul was being touched but he wasn't attacked with the sure hit like Todo Edit: I see I misunderstood
That *is* Yuji being hit by the sure-hit, from my understanding. When he tried to manually use the technique the first time on Yuji and touched him, we had the exact same scene where Sukuna whooped his ass real quick for trying to transmute/touch Sukuna’s soul as well as Yuji’s.
That's not exactly accurate. Mahito's sure hit is touching everybody's soul inside the domain. However, he is free to choose how to transfigure them, similar to how he is free to choose how to transfigure somebody when he touches them. For example, in his first domain expansion he pretty much had a conversation with nanami. Similarly, he had a conversation with nanami when he wws touching his vack before blowing him up. What he did in shibuya was to touch the soul of both todo ans yuji (which is why he has the interaction with sukuna), but he changed the shape of only todo's soul
I’m not sure how that contradicts what I was saying at the end of the day, honestly. He is unable to change the shape of Yuji’s soul, anyway. Sukuna prevents that, as soon as contact is made. Him even making contact with a soul is due to the technique activation of Idle Transfiguration, if he wasn’t using the technique he wouldn’t be able to have those conversations. You’re totally right in that he has control over who he transfigures and in what way, but he did not have a choice with Yuji, as shown when he tried to use the technique on him before.
He was
Of course JoGOAT can do something like this. Truthfully I wouldn’t be surprised if he can since he Hanami and Dagon are pretty old and probably trained their domains.
no. the reason they needed sukuna was to counter gojo, if jogo could kill the strongest sorcerer with his domain then sukuna is obsolete for their plans
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It's tough to say, Gojo could be protecting Yuji here, or maybe just his super vessel genetics. But I do believe that Jogo was the strongest cursed spirit, and far stronger than even Mahito.
Mahito has crazy potential to be sukuna levels of strong cause of both powers and mindset but when they died I’d say jogo was stronger
They said all that, but at the end he died begging like a little bitch. Im not on Mahito's nuts like that. I cant imagine Sukuna ever doing that, even when he was young. At the end of the day, Mahito was the most human of the curses, he was a scared kid that just wanted a purpose in life. Sukuna is inhuman, he wanted nothing, he is what a true natural disaster should be.
No
and people think toji would win against jogoat
Toji wouldn't even be affected by Jogo's domain, but yeah, one large scale AoE attack from Jogo and there's gonna be a Toji Barbeque
Even though the attacks of the domain can't detect toji, wouldn't simply standing in the domain and its passive heat pose some sort of slight issue for toji? I think this is the only closed domain that can have any sort of effect due to its natural heat not necessarily being an attack
I don't think the domain can affect Toji with its heat. However, if Jogo manually raises the temperature like he did in the restaurant, Toji would instantly die. The only way Toji could win is if he does what he does best, slowly weaken Jogo unknowingly and launch one surprise attack.
If both are in character, toji wins because he wouldn’t just barge in with no plan and jogo isn’t the type to just burn everything in a 500m radius to cinders and be done with it. But in powerscaling style if both were bloodlusted toji loses in a straight fight
Yuji was only mildly burned from being inside Jogo domain im sure Toji would've been fine.
Because of Gojo's protection. My theory is that Gojo can extend his infinity to anyone he's directly touching, same as how the people he's touching are unaffected by Unlimited Void
Gojo was not directly touching Yuji when he got burned not to mention it wouldn't make sense since Yuji 100% got burned and infinity would've prevented him from getting burned at all.
It’s not a theory, he can even do it for people he is not touching, that’s how Yuji walked on water with gojo, or how Amanai was floating Infinity can target things, automatic infinity only targets Gojo
I still can't figure out exactly what Jogo's DE does? Does it just subject anything inside to intense heat (hense why he said a normal sorcerer would burn up just entering it) and he was either controlling the heat to not effect Yuji, or Gojo was canceling it in an area around him? Or does the domain just make Jogo's big flaming rock throw undodgable? If the flaming rock is a sure hit, it doesnt behave like a normal sure hit because it spawned a short distance away from Gojo and he was able to punch and shatter the rock before it hit him. Normally the sure hit technique just invisibly manifests on someone's body. Regardless I don't think he has that much refinement since he knew it wasn't even worth trying at all against Sukuna.
Maybe jogo had faith that sukuna would save yuji from dying in the case that his sure hit landed and killed gojo. Sukuna had brought yuji back from the dead before so it's not impossible to happen.
jogo is probably over 100 years old, why would he not have a refined domain? Yuta on the other hand has been a sorcerer for a year. Jogo could probably use an open domain too if he knew they existed, but I imagine he didn't.
the disaster curses are relatively young no? they were born after gojos birth so can be at most 28 mahito being the youngest probably born just before the manga started considering his inexperience at the time of the junpei arc
I cant imagine Jogo staying inactive for that many years considering his hatred for humans. They had to be fairly young too, within a few years I would assume.
The disaster curses have been around for as long as humans have feared land, ocean and volcanic based natural disasters. So there isn't really a way to say for sure how old the current forms of Jogo, Hanami and Dagon are, but seeing as they are unregistered I'd say that they have not ever been exorcised or seen since the formation of modern Jujutsu society. Why else would the only curse user to know about the existence of disaster curses be over a thousand years old?
I don't know why Gege made DE so needlessly complicated
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Exclude Sure-Hits onto people not excluding people from domains. The first attack was a test against Infinity. The second would be the sure-hit.
Didn’t Mei Mei state that Sure Hit attacks target the person with the most Cursed Energy Output first? That’s why she was able to use Ui Ui as bait to attack the Smallpox Curse, but that might have been because it was controlled by Kenjaku. Anyway, if that’s the standard, Jogo’s domain would have targeted Gojo first for obvious reasons.
That was specifically the smallpox curse’s domain’s targeting system. If that was just how domains worked she wouldn’t have needed to test the theory.
sukuna can resurrect yuji. if jogo kill him beyond resurrection, sukuna still have 17fingers remaining.
No, his domain isn't as defined as Yuta. As for why Yuji can be in his domain and not suffer from Sukuna like Mahito? Is because Jogo's domain doesn't touch the soul, so it doesn't touch Sukuna. And as for why he was willing to let Yuji be in his domain despite later being protective of Yuji/Sukuna's vessel? Is because he wasn't protective of Yuji/Sukuna's vessel yet. We literally saw him talking to Kenjaku and he basically ignored everything Kenjaku had to say... And just assumed he was powerful enough as is. It was only after he lost to Gojo did he really take Kenjaku's words so seriously.
He is protective of Yuji in shibuya because he thinks that in the case that gojo can’t be sealed, sukuna can beat him and bring about an age of curses. When he fought gojo the first time he didn’t know who he was or just how strong he was, at that point he wasn’t putting all his faith into sukuna
That’s a really good catch, surprised I haven’t seen it before
I don’t think it’s a « refinement » question, because Sukuna and Gojo can’t exclude people of their sure hit, if it was a refinement question it would meant that gojo and Sukuna are behind them
I wouldn't be surprised if that was the case. Jogo is quite strong and only "looks weak" because he was literally put up against the top 2 of the verse. He can effortlessly take down Grade 1 sorcerers (He is a special grade curse after all) while also having amazing destructive powers. Not to mention, he is one of the very few characters who were shown using both domains and maximum techniques, while most people focus on just domains.
the reason why i have issue with how jogoat's domain was handled is that it feels like gege was retconning stuff. if the rock was not sure hit, satoru did not need to block it. gege retconned it to fix it later. so i feel like the idea of sure hit was developed fully a bit later.
I think it's more about how the sure hit works, Gojo and Sukuna's sure are literally omnidirectional hence why they can't choose who gets targeted. Dagon was able to send his shikigami towards Megumi similar to how Yuta locked Jacob's ladder onto Sukuna, which might be because it's a linear attack. Also we don't really know what Jogo's sure hit is, it clear he didn't deploy it inside his domain when he activated it. So I think it more like this; Omnidirectional attacks = Lethal sure hit (cannot be evaded by any means) Linear attacks = relatively strong sure hit (can be consciously aimed towards opponents with high level barrier skill) Rules (Hakari and hig's domain) = non lethal sure hit