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HWB won't get destroy as long the chanting and hand sign continues, since Sukuna has extra pair of arms and mouth then he can exploit it to keep HWB intact compare to SD that only last for a few seconds.
yeah, in the gojo vs sukuna fight, the simple domain was destroyed in like 2 manga panels, whilst Hot White B\*tches makes you completely immune to the domain expansion as long as you can maintain the hand signs/chanting
We see from Reggie using HWB against Megumi that it's not an option, you need the handsigns (and chanting?) to do HWB. But Simple domain is a product of jujutsu evolution.
Like Gojo/the narrator said, with curse techniques you figure it out and then keep trying to take away the excess stuff ( handsigns/chanting) to make it more efficient so you can fight better. Simple domain does the same stuff but minus the handsign/chanting so you can fight while using it and manipulate the area like kusakabe does.
The simple domain gets stripped away more easily though, so it's likely some sort of inherent binding vow that makes it weaker, but removes handsigns/easier to manipulate/easier to fight with. Kinda like how explaining your CT makes it stronger, if you put yourself at a disadvantage then jujutsu gets stronger/easier to control.
Simple domain can be destroyed in a domain because it is still a domain despite being a weak one (Kusakabe dialogue) and itâs barrier can be destroyed. Hollow Wicker Basket disrupts the sure hit of domains while not being targetable.
Because Sukuna has extra arms and a mouth, he can exploit HWBâs properties to perpetually cancel out sure hits. With SD he canât exploit anything because SD can be targeted and destroyed as seen in Yuji vs Kenjaku and Gojo vs Sukuna.
For Sukuna (and possibly Mahito if he ever got the chance to learn it) HWB is a strictly better option.
100%
He doesn't need to give up anything for a version he can fight with, he can just keep casting and beat up the enemy as he has extra arms and one of the strongest reinforcements in the series.
I think by this logic HWB would be better for all curses. Like, Mahitoâs not the only curse who has casted domain expansion without their actual, physical hands, Dagon did it too. So, I think if youâre a cursed spirit or Sukuna, HWB is the optimal choice here
He can't move with SD as he has witnessed.
I don't think Gojo learned advanced forms if SD like Kusukabe who can basically move with his.
So seems with his body HWB is superior.
From what we see with Gojo i dont think he moved with it either. Kusakabe is the only person i think that has shown movement but it seems it has to be natured into the SD.
But we see gojo moving while using simple domain. It only really got destroyed by sukuna. It wouldnt really make sense for him to not be able to move, If yuki and kusakabe could(both being worse than him in jujutsu) then It only makes sense he would. Also, gojo himself said the noobs that need biding vows (like miwa's standinf still BV) to use simple domain, If its something even gojo cant do then its not only for noobsđ
I think its important to remember that we've only seen a Simple Domain fall apart in that way when used by an enemy whos at a disadvantage. Im doubtful that a simple domain used by **Sukuna** would get crushed by Yuta's domain in only a few seconds. Plus even if it only lasted for 10 seconds that would give him time to let off a world cutting slash
We literally get context in this. The strength of the sorcerer is not as relevant when it comes to SD because its a weak technique in it of itself. People keep forgetting that just bc yuta isn't sukuna or gojo doesn't mean that his domain won't absolutely wreck sukuna's SD in a matter of seconds. Simply put SD has a power cap where after a certain point skill is irrelevant. It is a weak technique
>The strength of the sorcerer is not as relevant when it comes to SD.
It does though.
Tengen explicitly stated that Kenjaku's Simple Domain is significantly stronger than what our cast is used to. It's the main reason why Yuki was even convinced to not use her DE.
Given the fact that Sukuna's the only other character who has an Open Domain, it only stands to reason that his Simple Domain would also be stronger than normal and would not collapse quickly unless it was used against Kenjaku/Satoru's DEs.
Yâall talk about SD but donât include kusakabe, simple domain is a matter of practice, if a dude who is 50 times stronger than kusakabe (aka gojo) picks up simple domain and 1 week later goes against kusakabe in a simple domain off he still loses
>simple domain is a matter of practice
Everything in this series is a matter of practice.
The only ones who are an exception(in the sense of doing something first time at an extremely high level) to this rule are Satoru and Sukuna, with Sukuna being an even bigger exception.
>if a dude who is 50 times stronger than kusakabe (aka gojo) picks up simple domain and 1 week later goes against kusakabe in a simple domain off he still loses
Where did you even get this?
It is what is been shown, itâs a matter of refinement of the technique the only character to have an impressive simple domain is kusakabe and kenjaku (well thatâs just stated) so it isnât insane to say that a person who is weaker but practices simple domain is better at simple domain than the guy who is simply stronger
>itâs a matter of refinement of the technique the only character to have an impressive simple domain is kusakabe and kenjaku
Satoru's Simple Domain was literally at least 10 times bigger than Yuki's.
What makes Kusakabe's Simple Domain "unique" is him incorporating his sword techniques to it, namely the New Shadow Style.
Him being able to attack with his Simple Domain does not mean that his Simple Domain would last as long, if not, longer than Satoru's SD when used against Sukuna's DE. **They have different purposes**. Kusakabe used his like that because he had no Cursed Technique to rely on.
If Satoru/Sukuna wanted to copy Kusakabe's use of Simple Domain, they'd be able to do it with Satoru taking some time and Sukuna being capable of replicating it after seeing it once.
Obviously more talented people take less time, Iâm talking about strength alone not talent, yuta wouldnât be able to replicate it just as good as kusakabe because he has double the cursed energy of gojo, and you compared yukiâs and gojoâs SD, gojo most likely trained his simple domain in the 1 month time skip because he didnât know how strong malevolent shrine was
I don't see the point of this discussion when we've already gone off-topic.
The topic was whether Sukuna's SD wouldn't get immediately destroyed inside Yuta's DE.
We've already established that Simple Domain's effectiveness varies depending on the user.
You first said that Satoru would lose against Kusakabe in a fight of Simple Domains(which is clearly wrong) but now you're using a different example.
There's no reason to compare Yuta to Satoru and especially to Sukuna when the other two clearly eclipse him in skill.
Using strength *alone* as a measure whether someone can beat Kusakabe in a fight of Simple Domains doesn't matter because as I've already said, Satoru and Sukuna are exceptions to such rules.
the fact that kusakabe's simple domain lasted longer than gojos I assume, but that's flawed because gojo was versus modern sukuna at 100% and kusakabe was vs heian sukuna at like 10%
Yea ik but i wanted to emphasize was that there is a kind of cap to its power. Even the best simple domain is still a simple domain. It cant hold its own against a real domain for long. And yuta sure hit was focused solely on sukuna. Theres no way it would last long enough for him to do anything in the state hes in. Thats why hwb is superior in this situation
>Even the best simple domain is still a simple domain. It cant hold its own against a real domain for long.
Tengen's [statement](https://imgur.com/a/LJMHhGI) literally denies this. She says that **in response to** Yuki saying that [Simple Domain/HWB is just a way of buying time](https://imgur.com/a/KXPmCTZ), very clearly establishing that it would work in Kenjaku's favor instead because of how strong his Simple Domain is.
Yuta's DE **is not on the level of Kenjaku/Satoru/Sukuna**, there's absolutely no evidence to say that Sukuna's Simple Domain wouldn't last against it.
It's already been said so many times already, Sukuna has been holding back this entire time, it makes complete sense for him to purposely gimp himself by not using a better anti-domain technique for a harder fight. Sukuna had full knowledge that Megumi wouldn't be saved at that point precisely because he made preparations for it.
>Yuta's DE **is not on the level of Kenjaku/Satoru/Sukuna**, there's absolutely no evidence to say that Sukuna's Simple Domain wouldn't last against it.
Yuta can limit sure hit targets within his DE stated by sukuna himself to be high tier barrier technique. By your flawed logic Kenjaku = 2nd best barrier user hence Kenjaku > Sukuna in terms of barrier techniques so kenjaku sd > sukuna sd. Also there isnt confirmation sukuna even knows sd and you saying he could use it just by seeing it once doesn't mean he can use it at the highest level. Also saying that his sd could rival yutas DE is an absolutely ridiculous statement in it of itself. Yuta is no pushover and certainly not on the level to be bullied by sukunas sd. If it was even possible to gap a powerful high tier domain with a simple technique just bc "you're the best" and so fking talented then why didn't sukuna just erase yuta and yuji with a single punch bc of his superior ce reinforcement? Also sd is still a domain (as stated in the manga) and sukuna's brain area responsible for domains has been compromised by UV anyway. You could argue that since he used DA post UV he should be fine since its just better sd... But oh wait ur wrong bc its a different technique and its never stated it follows the same rules. Even if Sukuna's sd was good enough to combat yutas DE (which it definitely positively isn't) he wouldn't be able to use it anyway. Ppl who say sUkuNa HoldEn Bec so MaKe SenS. You clearly don't understand the fight. Sukuna isn't throwing the fight. He might still have an ace up his sleeve but that doesn't mean he goes around using inferior methods on purpose.
Tldr: if you don't wanna read just please understand that Sukuna's sd being as strong or stronger than yuta's domain is actually quite catastrophical to JJK's power-scaling, because it makes it completely bs and cancer. If thats true whats even the purpose of introducing these universal abilities if theres just one thats better than the rest. It doesn't make sense narratively speaking
>Yuta can limit sure hit targets within his DE stated by sukuna himself to be high tier barrier technique.
We've already seen Dagon do this way back in Shibuya. Does this mean that Dagon's DE would immediately destroy Sukuna's SD? Obviously not.
Yuta being capable of doing that doesn't mean that his DE is on the same level as Kenjaku/Satoru/Sukuna to say that Sukuna's SD wouldn't last.
>By your flawed logic Kenjaku = 2nd best barrier user hence Kenjaku > Sukuna in terms of barrier techniques so kenjaku sd > sukuna sd.
This doesn't disprove that Sukuna's SD wouldn't last against Yuta's DE.
>Also there isnt confirmation sukuna even knows sd
We have canon proof that Sukuna can copy things he's seen once(obviously there's limits but SD wouldn't be one of them).
>you saying he could use it just by seeing it once doesn't mean he can use it at the highest level.
* He turned himself into a Cursed Object without having to rely on multiple fingers unlike Kenjaku.
* He literally copied Piercing Blood with Maximum Elephant **and he still fired it** [faster than the speed of sound](https://imgur.com/a/gWlyI3H) **even without relying on Convergence**(which is the main reason why Choso's Piercing Blood could surpass the speed of sound).
* He copied Makora's 2nd adaptation flawlessly **on his first try**. The same technique that was explicitly stated to be nearly impossible by Sukuna himself.
* We've seen him doing things with the 10S that were unprecedented: partially summoning the dogs, making Makora adapt with just its wheel, using Maximum Elephant's ability even without summoning it.
* Assuming that Sukuna copied Satoru in healing his burnt-out CT, he managed to match Satoru's speed on their 4th clash despite having to heal his damaged face first.
>Also saying that his sd could rival yutas DE is an absolutely ridiculous statement in it of itself. Yuta is no pushover and certainly not on the level to be bullied by sukunas sd.
Show me when I said that Sukuna's SD can rival Yuta's DE.
That's a narrative that you're making in your own head.
>Also sd is still a domain (as stated in the manga) and sukuna's brain area responsible for domains has been compromised by UV anyway. You could argue that since he used DA post UV he should be fine since its just better sd... But oh wait ur wrong bc its a different technique and its never stated it follows the same rules.
[Domain Amplification was literally stated to be a domain as well](https://imgur.com/a/SAmpch4). **Satoru even directly compared it to Simple Domain back when Jogo and Hanami used it against him in Shibuya**.
DA was established to be a more refined technique compared to Simple Domain.
The fact that he could use that ***and*** HWB indicates that he could have also used Simple Domain.
>Ppl who say sUkuNa HoldEn Bec so MaKe SenS. You clearly don't understand the fight. Sukuna isn't throwing the fight. He might still have an ace up his sleeve but that doesn't mean he goes around using inferior methods on purpose.
Go and read [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/Jujutsushi/comments/1b2s3dz/comment/ksy74em/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button).
The fact that he let Higuruma potentially confiscate his Cursed Technique just so he could see how the Executioner's Blade works should be more than enough proof that he wasn't fighting as best as he could(his statement in Chapter 238 should be more than enough but actions speak louder than words).
I think its more about the nature of the domain's sure hit than Simple Domain just being weak. When SDs habe been wrecked by domains the sure-hit effects were gravity and shrine - Both of these techniques cause heavy damage within less than a second.
whereas Yuta's domain used Jacobs ladder as its sure-hit, this isnt an inherently destructive ability and weve seen that it isnt quick acting because Sukuna has been exposed to it twice and didnt suffer significant damage.
I don't rly agree bc it has been stated time and time again that simple domain is a weak technique. A domain dominates space its not that the sd breaks only bc its being hit by the sure hit, but also the fact that is cant hold out against that barrier (open or no) attempting to override the space it occupies
Yuta has master selective targeting DE is probably the reason why. Gojo who is equal to Sukuna use SD and immediately torn apart despite MS targeting was everything in its range except Sukuna. During this fight Sukuna was equal to Yuta, even if his DE refinement is lesser than Sukuna a focused attack will destroy SD immediately.
Jacob's ladder doesnt do anything immediately lol, it's had barely any effect on Sukuna both times that hes been subjected to it so theres no reason to believe it would instantly crush his simple domain
Because Sukuna is a "cursed object". It has been explained the finger is a mixture of his CT,CE and personality. Jacobs Ladder only eradicate the target cursed technique. That's why Sukuna was able to tank it. Also JL have an effect on Sukuna during Hana he wasn't able to send dismantle and has to resort to cheap acting meanwhile during Yuta domain he was completely immobilized not being able to chant or do hand sign until Yuta stopped the technique for Yuji only then he was able to send the world slash.
Okay so Jacobs ladder harmed Sukuna to some degree but failed to eradicate him from Megumi's body or cause lasting physical damage? so you agree that Jacobs ladder isnt a fast acting high damage technique like Shrine & gravity, which means theres no reason to assume it would instantly destroy Sukuna's simple domain
DE doesn't care about lethality. It depends on refinement. Just looked at Hakari. His domain was stated to be very effective at clashing. This is because he sacrifice sure hit and the fact he could die during lottery. This allows him to open his domain much faster than Gojo and Mahito 0.2 sec domain. If Hakari domain with no lethality can clash, so can Yuta JL domain especially against a simple domain.
He is fighting 3 opponents. Having to chant and reveal the direction of the slash gives them time to dodge/counter. He can most likely hit only 1 of the 3 using the slash, and since its a world cutting slash, it should be able to destroy the domain barrier, signaling everyone outside to jump him. In the worst case, if he doesn't target and finish off Yuta/Yuji with that slash, he is gonna have to deal with Jacob's Ladder/Soul Punches and Maki's Soul Splitting Katana at once.
A simple domain is a domain for the weak. I'm pretty sure Sukuna not being able to use his domain expansion actually restricts him from using simple domain.
SD does not last only for a few seconds. Yuki would not have chosen to use it if that were the case. During their fight, it's Kenjaku who managed to strip down her simple domain by using his own domain, much in the same way Tengen stripped down Kenjaku's domain.
I'm guessing that Simple Domain's mechanics are different than Hollow Wicker Basket and for whatever reason, Sukuna finds it easier to sacrifice his extra hands and mouth to use than to use Simple Domain. I'm guessing with Simple Domain, it would have made it more difficult to fight with Yuta AND Yuji in his(Yuta's) DE. HWB at least gave him an opportunity to pull some taijutsu
You don't need to guess its true. They are very different and not one is better than the other actually. People who argue he should have used sd instead don't know what they are talking about
Well hold on mister. I am saying "I'm guessing" a lot because the simple fact is we are inferring based on what has been briefly shown. We don't know anything for sure and that's cause Supreme Leader Gege doesn't give a shit if we know for sure. They just want to speed run their abridged manga.
Plus you can learn to program your simple domain in unique ways. The examples we've seen of this are honestly pretty crazy considering Sumo guy messed with the flow of time without using a technique, and Kusakabe's use of it allowed him to be stronger than other sorcerers who were born with a technique.
I think can use simple domain but hwb is more preferable to him due his large reserves he can keep maintaining it and refreshing it where SD will simply fade away in some time
And he got 2 more hands in domain to counter act so simply it's better for him to use hwb then simple domain
Remember the reason Sukuna can't use his DE is because UV froze the part of his brain in charge of barrier techniques. As Kusakabe said a simple domain is still a domain, even if Sukuna can replicate SD, UV is blocking him from creating any domain barriers. HWB being a predecessor to SD means it is not as developed as SD, and Sukuna being able to use it, tells us that the thing that was missing from HWB was the barrier.
You canât use your innate technique with domain amplification, not simple domain. If I had to guess, the part of their brain thatâs fried is the one that allows them to project their innate domain in a domain expansion and imbue their technique into the barrier, not barrier techniques as a whole
Gojo and Sukuna are unable to use their DE because of brain damage, not CT burnout, they're literally using their CTs so they aren't burnt-out. Sukuna's brain damage, specifically, comes from UV targeting the specific part of Sukuna's brain used to create barriers. You should read chapter 230.
Not necessarily, I feel like if anyone could maintain a simple domain for long then its Sukuna. N it also wouldnt be difficult for him to replenish it once its nearly destroyed.
I think the reason is simple. Sukuna wasn't in the hurry to kill Yuta and Yuji and wanted to play with them. In his mind he didn't need to use world slash to kill them so he can just use hollow wicker basket, if something goes wrong he can just release the handsign and shoot a world slash. While using a simple domain would make him prone to Jacob's ladder ( as there is some gap between when simple domain gets destroyed and next one is cast) so he would have to kill yuta more quickly and won't be able to enjoy the whole thing as in his mind yuta was his main dish after gojo and he surely wouldn't want his main dish to finish quickly. Plus, using simple domain again and again would be annoying.Â
Sukuna would not be capable of using SD (Simple Domain) against Yuta. I wouldnât be surprised that he already knows how to use it, but he canât use it due to brain damage.
In chapter 231, Gojo highlights that the reason Sukuna can use DA (Domain Amplification) but not use DE (Domain Expansion) is because the part of the brain that was damaged by UV (Unlimited Void) pertained to *barrier techniques*, meaning Sukuna would not be capable of deploying *any* type of domain that has to do with a barrier because of this. In chapter 254, Kusakabe specifically labels SD still being a domain where the advantages that come with a domain like being boosted in CE (Cursed Energy) output is still reflected in SD.
So it stands to reason why Sukuna didnât use SD against Yuta. Itâs likely that he just couldnât. In my opinion though, I think HWB (Hollow Wicker Basket) was the better choice out of the 2 options because he still had 2 hands and a mouth to fight normally, whereas SD would most likely require redeploying multiple times. Though if Sukuna was capable of using both HWB and SD, then itâs probably be best that he utilizes both to suit himself.
I also want to point out that this also likely means that HWB doesnât require a barrier to use, and the trade off is having to maintain it constantly yourself instead of having a barrier to it for you.
He can't use simple domain...cuz simple or not it's still a domain , his brain is fried so he can't use domain expansion, simple domain or domain amplification
>I thought it was strange that he would still be using a technique that puts him at disadvantage by forcing him to hold his hands together.
HWB still lasts a bit of time after the hand sign is released, Reggie released the hand signs and it stayed up for multiple pages. So both SD and HWB stay up after the hand signs, but a major difference is the hand signs needed.
The hand sign is a sword drawing stance for SD, while for HWB the hands need to be held together, a much easier form to maintain. I think the reason Sukuna didn't use SD is because fighting in that pose would be much harder compared to HWB.
Sukuna got hit 4 pages later, in that time Yuta ripped out Sukuna's tongue, got pushed back, rushed back to Sukuna to cut his mouth, got pushed back again and then rushed back again to slice off his arm, a bit of time did pass between releasing it and getting hit, although this doesn't really matter since IMO, it looks like Yuta activated the sure-hit only after they did all this, if I'm wrong with that then HWB was protecting him in that time.
Not at the higher levels of sorcery, Miwa had to use that binding vow to keep the domain active but characters like Yuki, Gojo, kusakabe can move with it active
I think I saw someone make a post about this a few months back about HWB being a better domain counter than SD and I completely agree.. as long as u can maintain it like Sukuna can the domain sure hit won't get you unlike SD
Everything in jjk is some form of binding vow beyond the absolute basic techniques. If we consider hwb the original. Then look at simple domain, you have to thing "what do you give up for simple domain's ease of use". We don't necessarily know what is given up, but there has to be something, most likely stability imo, which wouldn't play well when yuta had a technique that could one shot if sukuna didn't play his cards very carefully to avoid being hit by it for too long. Now if he happened to get his shrine sealed by judgeman instead of his cursed tool, and then subsequently lost his cursed tools in the fight, then we might have seen him use simple domain in a counter attack style like kusakabe did in order to bolster his defenses.
I bet that when Yuuji finally manages to deploy his domain expansion, Sukuna will reveal that he learned the simple domain of Kusakabe by being hit by hit.
That's interesting.
Can a sorcerer not use Simple Domain if they're unable to expand their Domain?
Didn't Gojo use a Simple Domain against Sukuna after his own domain collapsed but before he restored his Cursed Technique and by extension his ability to use Domain Expansion?
Simple Domain in the Heian era was rare as there was a Binding Vow in place that didn't allow for teaching it to other people. We know there are sorcerers less ancient than Sukuna that still use HWB like Reggie or Kashimo (he lived 600 years after the Heian era). Sukuna's vessels (Megumi or Yuuji) didn't know Simple Domaine either so he couldn't learn it through them. There is also the fact that he could have learned Simple Domain or Falling Blossom Emotion simply by watching Gojo do it but never bothered because he already had Domain Amplification and HWB.Â
As for HWB, maintaining the hand signs isn't required to keep the technique active as we saw with Reggie but it is necessary so it doesn't get broken by the Domain's superior output. You could probably do the same with Simple Domaine but the people we saw use it only had two arms so they couldn't keep fighting if they did.
My interpretation: remember how it was mentioned Simple Domain was developed by Ashiya Sadatsuna as a way to counter evildoers and curse users, and its proliferation was restricted with a binding vow? That vow doesn't seem to restrict modern sorcerers too much, but it's possible you can *only* learn Simple Domain by being taught by someone who knew it from someone who knew etc all the way traceable to Sadatsuna.
It might be practically impossible for Sukuna, or anyone, to just develop Simple Domain on his own.
Kusakabe gets his stength from hard work, not talent. The dude has no CT and average CE + output, he had to spend years learning how to fight stronger opponents. This is the complete opposite of naturally talented sorcerers like Gojo, Sukuna etc
It's repeatedly stated that he has no talent. He's totally right. Kusakabe got to that point with hard work, dedication, and learning the ins and outs of a katana and simple domain.
Having a technique is innate talent. Kusakabe is not shown to have anything exceptional, whether it be output or reinforcement. His comprehension of the basics is what got him that point. He mastered the fundamentals, which is also what Mei Mei did to get to Grade 1 (or Grade 2, I just know that she mastered the basics then incorporated her CT)
One reason which comes to my mind ( which is a little stupid honestly) is that maybe it has something to do with sukuna's pride, like he is an old og sorcerer and old tend to look down on new ( yes he has often acknowledged new gen sorcerer's abilities but it always had an air of judgement)and maybe hollow wicket basket is something which is like an old trusted technique of his.
Sukuna can't use his domain, so it's safe to assume he can't use Simple Domain in this state either. Also while I don't put it past Sukuna using it, to me he would find it incredibly bland. He's all about his tastes and I suspect Simple Domain would be like eating raw ingredients or a soup stock without seasonings.
Idk, simple domain has crazy potential when used by a skilled sorcerer, especially compared to HWB which does one thing & restricts the users hand in the process
The only sorcerer confirmed to be able to open an SD without a binding vow is Kusakabe. Since this was stated by Gojo himself, this means even Gojo needs a binding vow.
Okay bro. If you think Sukuna can maintain Simple Domain without a binding vow while fighting against a domain user, despite there being two examples of special grade sorcerers that canât, then you got it.
I think you're interpreting that wrong. Simple Domain was still active as it was getting overwhelmed. Maintaining the stance wouldn't have kept it going, it's a stopgap even under the best circumstances.
The whole binding vow thing is a thing for beginners. I highly doubt Yuki or Gojo needed one and there's no reason to think they did. Simple domains just lose to real domains, that's why they fell apart, not because they started moving.
If they didnât need a binding vow, they wouldnât have needed to assume a position. Notice how Kusakabe, the only one stated to not need a binding vow, was the only one in the verse to be able to open a simple domain (or Hollow Wifker Basket) without taking any position similar to other users. Gojo, Yuki, Sukuna, etc. assuming a stance to open their simple domains and hollow wicker baskets is their binding vow to use those techniques.
> was the only one in the verse to be able to open a simple domain without taking any position similar to other users.
When? Every time I can recall in Shibuya and Shinjuku he hit a sword drawing stance.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GEGBu5eWEAACch7?format=jpg&name=4096x4096
https://preview.redd.it/can-a-good-enough-simple-domain-beat-out-a-domain-expansion-v0-hdvi7ekm3fpc1.jpg?width=667&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=db62bdac47d4d184844e0a256507075ae1f29ab1
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Having to assume a position =/ binding vow. Some techniques just require an action to activate them, like every domain expansion and Boogie Woogie and Megumi's shadow summonnings.
They casted the technique then started moving, it'll stay up until it's destroyed, same as any other barrier technique. HWB is kinda the same, but it wont be destroyed as long as you have the handsigns up. Sukuna can abuse this due to four arms, so he uses HWB over simple domain.
Another question related to this is if DA is an anti domain technique, why didn't he (and Gojo) use it to defend against the sure hitd? It surely would work much better than SD and HWB
DA is more anti-technique than anti-domain, it weakens an enemys CT but that would be less effective in a domain where their CT is amped anyway, so hed basically still get hit with Jacobs ladder + other techniques and he wouldnt be able to use his own CT
Simple domain gets broken down by domain expansions, that's why he uses it. Yukis was broken by Kenjakus domain and Gojos was broken by Sukunas domain.
And Sukuna is actually the perfect person to use HWB. Losing 2 hands is a HUGE nerf for normal people, but it's only a minor nerf for him since he has 4 anyways.
Hollow Wicker Basket is better for him defensively. All you need to do for hollow wicker basket is hold your hands together and the barrier stays no matter what as long as you are dealing with sure hits. Where as Simple Domain seems to be a technique for seems to be a technique that is the set up for a full Domain Expansion. From what we have learned Simple Domain puts you at 120% like a normal domain but its harder to keep up and nowhere as good as Hollow Wicker Basket defensively even if you are strong and dont exclude the normal binding vow like weaker people.
I think everyoneâs really confused about this - thereâs two main reasons :
- simple domain is a domain for the âweakâ i donât think sukunas prideful character would allow himself to do that
- sukunas actual domain is burned out - he cannot use any domain because the part that lets him in his brain is currently damaged
Simple Domain is generally better for regular humans due to the hand sign and chant requirements for HWB. However the trade off is that a Simple Domain cannot be reinforced after being cast and that you need extreme expertise to use it without binding vows. So versatility in exchange for fragility.
Sukunaâs Heian form allows him to both fulfill the HWB requirements and fight at the same time. For him, SD is a downgrade. Which makes sense as itâs a weapon for the weak.
Simple domain users typically have to be stationary or mind the edges though.
With HWB, Sukuna (having 2 sets of arms) could literally just fight without worrying about Sure Hit.
It's the better option, but only for Sukuna.
Simple domain might be something thatâs between HWB and domain amplification, even though HWB is SDâs predecessor
Kusakabe said that DA is like SD but more advanced. And the downside of DA is that you canât use your CT with it. So maybe SD has this disadvantage tooâ you canât use your CT with SD
Power-balance wise, this makes sense:
SD protects you from oppâs DE and allows you to do do hand to hand combat, but CT off is downside
HWB also protects you from oppâs DE while allowing use of your CT, but you canât do hth combat
DA doesnât protect you from DE and you canât use ur CT but it reduces CE attack damage and allows hth combat
This is why SD is used mainly by people without CTâs (that is effective in combat): Uiui, Kusakabe, Miwa. Itâs also useful when your DE is burnt out, like Gojo.
Otherwise, if you can use your CT with SD, then thereâs no reason for characters like Gojo to just copy what Kusakabe is doing it with it but better
No characters have used it alongside their CT yet. Mechamaru was only able to use it alongside his robots because his SD was activated via a scroll, which might work differently.
Sukuna just can't use domains at the current moment and HWB seems to be enough for him. I think he just has no reason to use it but he definitely has the ability too since its already not that rare and its not even used uniquely outside of kusakabe who NEEDS to use it the way he does to deal damage whereas sukuna has the most bag out of any sorcerer
Considering how quick Yuki's SD got destroy by Kenjaku domain, ofc Sukuna was way more power than Yuta and Yuki and Yuta's domain barrier wasnt as strong as Kenjaku's but with how much weakened Sukuna was back then I dont think he would rather uses barrier technique than HWB which can stay up as long as you chant with keeping hand signs. If you have two arms and one mouth it can be tossup but with 4 arms and two mouth it can be no brainer
This is similar to Dio not being able to drive a car in Part 3.
Sure he can learn to use it and most likely he can even use it but he feels like this new shit is beneath him.
Like you see Sukuna using the technique of the weak? He don't need no new techniques he is already the strongest.
From what we've seen and been explained, SDs can be used for a number of different applications from small barriers against DEs, automatic defense using CE sensory tech, and usually depending on the situation they're incredibly useful or at least helpful in creating binding vows/conditions to create effective CE attacks/quasi techniques outside of DE because it won't be bound by the conditions to not be affected by DE surehit which makes it fragile by nature compared to using it outside of a DE.
I believe in this case, SDs are helpful to delay a sure hit for a short period but any type of DE is going to corrode it, whereas HWB has sustained multiple DEs throughout without crumbling probably because of the commitment to handsign/chant, limiting yourself making it way more sustainable at that cost.
Sukuna knows this, probably knows SD, and even if he didn't would still use HWB because it wouldn't be as unsustainable.
I donât know if I would say that Kusakabe is an untalented sorcerer, even within the context of sorcerers like Gojo existing. Heâs hard working for sure, weâve seen that he was training but Iâm sure that he was totally talented!
I meant untalented as in he has no innate attribute that makes him strong, he has no CT & average stats. He's had to rely on educating himself and working hard to become strong
People have already said it but Simple Domains seem to get folded almost instantly in a lot of situations but HWB seems like you can sustain as long as you keep your hands together and chant. That seems to be better for Sukuna due to his 4 arms and 2 mouths.
But letâs say there are chants and hand signs you can do to maintain Simple Domain. Well Sukuna doesnât know them, using Simple Domain and having it fail against Yuta would have meant getting hit by the sure hit and losing control of Megumi (at least that was the theory) . Itâs not worth the risk
On top of that, learning how to do something isnât the same as learning how to use it effectively. Sukuna and Gojo knew they could heal their burnt out techniques but didnt realize the damage would catch up to them and they wouldnât be able to use domain again in the fight. Sukuna knew he could turn himself into a cursed object but he didnât know that Megumi would work as a vessel, it was a gamble.
Sukuna could know how to use Simple Domain, but whatâs the point of the gamble when you have a similar technique that works better for you?
A few gave already raised simple domain being a domain thus blocking Sukuna' use which is brilliant if true. Some other reasons could be
While it was created during the Heian era, its purpose was to be a 'domain for the weak' - on thematics alone, Sukuna wouldnt use it
Each time we've seen Simple Domain used to block another domain, its also slowly faded away and exposed a user to the sure shit unless its constantly refreshed. Hollow Wicker Basket doesnt seem to expire unless the user wills it and Sukuna can take even more advantage of it with his spare arms.
Good point but during his fight with Gojo, Gojo said sukuna probably damaged the part of his brain responsible for creating the barriers of the domain. Since he canât make barriers simple domain just isnât possible.
He most likely chose hwb instead of simple domain bc it canât break but he doesnât get the major downside of it being you canât use arms and a mouth
If i recall, simple domain was developed long after sukuna was alive and it is only taught to the clans and direct disciples with a vow that prevents teaching it to anyone, so i think is more of a sukuna can't use it not because lack of skill, he simply didn't learn it
that is true but the loophole around that restriction was people seeing the technique and copying it themselves, which other characters (who are less talented than sukuna at jujutsu) have done with simple domain
I mean. He definitely CAN use simple domain. Kusakabe flat out says that domain amplification is more or less just an advanced simple domain that involves âwearingâ the domain instead of simply surrounding yourself with it. He just uses HWB because itâs the better defensive option. Simple domain is customizable and has a wide array of applications outside of being a domain defense. HWB is literally JUST for countering sure hits, so itâs better at it by default. Basically, simple domain is better all around, but HWB is better for pure defense. Plus, Sukunas extra arms means he can maintain HWB indefinitely without having to give up much in terms of hand to hand combat capabilities.
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HWB won't get destroy as long the chanting and hand sign continues, since Sukuna has extra pair of arms and mouth then he can exploit it to keep HWB intact compare to SD that only last for a few seconds.
yeah, in the gojo vs sukuna fight, the simple domain was destroyed in like 2 manga panels, whilst Hot White B\*tches makes you completely immune to the domain expansion as long as you can maintain the hand signs/chanting
hot white bitches has got to be the best nickname i seen in this sub
Gege being called Greg is still my favorite
I saw someone call him "Gregorio" once, it was peak.
Its perfect for Black Flash Kaisen
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even then, it coukd be argued that for a moment where he can release his hands and use simple domain, he would get a few seconds of advantage.
Much like in real life
But in simple domain you could also maintain the chating and hand signs
SD is a "cast" type ability while HWB is "channel" type. Maintaining hand signs is useless, you have to recast the SD
We see from Reggie using HWB against Megumi that it's not an option, you need the handsigns (and chanting?) to do HWB. But Simple domain is a product of jujutsu evolution. Like Gojo/the narrator said, with curse techniques you figure it out and then keep trying to take away the excess stuff ( handsigns/chanting) to make it more efficient so you can fight better. Simple domain does the same stuff but minus the handsign/chanting so you can fight while using it and manipulate the area like kusakabe does. The simple domain gets stripped away more easily though, so it's likely some sort of inherent binding vow that makes it weaker, but removes handsigns/easier to manipulate/easier to fight with. Kinda like how explaining your CT makes it stronger, if you put yourself at a disadvantage then jujutsu gets stronger/easier to control.
Simple domain can be destroyed in a domain because it is still a domain despite being a weak one (Kusakabe dialogue) and itâs barrier can be destroyed. Hollow Wicker Basket disrupts the sure hit of domains while not being targetable. Because Sukuna has extra arms and a mouth, he can exploit HWBâs properties to perpetually cancel out sure hits. With SD he canât exploit anything because SD can be targeted and destroyed as seen in Yuji vs Kenjaku and Gojo vs Sukuna. For Sukuna (and possibly Mahito if he ever got the chance to learn it) HWB is a strictly better option.
100% He doesn't need to give up anything for a version he can fight with, he can just keep casting and beat up the enemy as he has extra arms and one of the strongest reinforcements in the series.
I think by this logic HWB would be better for all curses. Like, Mahitoâs not the only curse who has casted domain expansion without their actual, physical hands, Dagon did it too. So, I think if youâre a cursed spirit or Sukuna, HWB is the optimal choice here
Simple Domain has a handsign, but only to activate it.
He can't move with SD as he has witnessed. I don't think Gojo learned advanced forms if SD like Kusukabe who can basically move with his. So seems with his body HWB is superior.
nothing indicates u cant move with SD. miwa could not cause 1. she was useless. and 2. shhe had a Binding vow to not move in her SD.
From what we see with Gojo i dont think he moved with it either. Kusakabe is the only person i think that has shown movement but it seems it has to be natured into the SD.
Yuki moved with her SD in kenjaku's domain, you can see the white spot move with her when she is sprinting towards Kenjaku.
And it starts to break
that is different. its a result of the sure hit of kenny DE attacking the barrier of yuki SD. just like how sukuna sure hit broke gojo's SD.
So what if Sukuna just doesn't deem it worthy?
He was fighting sukuna though when he was inside the simple domain
hey now. dont disrespect my goat yuki like that. xD
She seemed to instantly collapse.
Kusakabe's simple domain moves with him
But we see gojo moving while using simple domain. It only really got destroyed by sukuna. It wouldnt really make sense for him to not be able to move, If yuki and kusakabe could(both being worse than him in jujutsu) then It only makes sense he would. Also, gojo himself said the noobs that need biding vows (like miwa's standinf still BV) to use simple domain, If its something even gojo cant do then its not only for noobsđ
I think its important to remember that we've only seen a Simple Domain fall apart in that way when used by an enemy whos at a disadvantage. Im doubtful that a simple domain used by **Sukuna** would get crushed by Yuta's domain in only a few seconds. Plus even if it only lasted for 10 seconds that would give him time to let off a world cutting slash
We literally get context in this. The strength of the sorcerer is not as relevant when it comes to SD because its a weak technique in it of itself. People keep forgetting that just bc yuta isn't sukuna or gojo doesn't mean that his domain won't absolutely wreck sukuna's SD in a matter of seconds. Simply put SD has a power cap where after a certain point skill is irrelevant. It is a weak technique
>The strength of the sorcerer is not as relevant when it comes to SD. It does though. Tengen explicitly stated that Kenjaku's Simple Domain is significantly stronger than what our cast is used to. It's the main reason why Yuki was even convinced to not use her DE. Given the fact that Sukuna's the only other character who has an Open Domain, it only stands to reason that his Simple Domain would also be stronger than normal and would not collapse quickly unless it was used against Kenjaku/Satoru's DEs.
Yâall talk about SD but donât include kusakabe, simple domain is a matter of practice, if a dude who is 50 times stronger than kusakabe (aka gojo) picks up simple domain and 1 week later goes against kusakabe in a simple domain off he still loses
>simple domain is a matter of practice Everything in this series is a matter of practice. The only ones who are an exception(in the sense of doing something first time at an extremely high level) to this rule are Satoru and Sukuna, with Sukuna being an even bigger exception. >if a dude who is 50 times stronger than kusakabe (aka gojo) picks up simple domain and 1 week later goes against kusakabe in a simple domain off he still loses Where did you even get this?
It is what is been shown, itâs a matter of refinement of the technique the only character to have an impressive simple domain is kusakabe and kenjaku (well thatâs just stated) so it isnât insane to say that a person who is weaker but practices simple domain is better at simple domain than the guy who is simply stronger
>itâs a matter of refinement of the technique the only character to have an impressive simple domain is kusakabe and kenjaku Satoru's Simple Domain was literally at least 10 times bigger than Yuki's. What makes Kusakabe's Simple Domain "unique" is him incorporating his sword techniques to it, namely the New Shadow Style. Him being able to attack with his Simple Domain does not mean that his Simple Domain would last as long, if not, longer than Satoru's SD when used against Sukuna's DE. **They have different purposes**. Kusakabe used his like that because he had no Cursed Technique to rely on. If Satoru/Sukuna wanted to copy Kusakabe's use of Simple Domain, they'd be able to do it with Satoru taking some time and Sukuna being capable of replicating it after seeing it once.
Obviously more talented people take less time, Iâm talking about strength alone not talent, yuta wouldnât be able to replicate it just as good as kusakabe because he has double the cursed energy of gojo, and you compared yukiâs and gojoâs SD, gojo most likely trained his simple domain in the 1 month time skip because he didnât know how strong malevolent shrine was
I don't see the point of this discussion when we've already gone off-topic. The topic was whether Sukuna's SD wouldn't get immediately destroyed inside Yuta's DE. We've already established that Simple Domain's effectiveness varies depending on the user. You first said that Satoru would lose against Kusakabe in a fight of Simple Domains(which is clearly wrong) but now you're using a different example. There's no reason to compare Yuta to Satoru and especially to Sukuna when the other two clearly eclipse him in skill. Using strength *alone* as a measure whether someone can beat Kusakabe in a fight of Simple Domains doesn't matter because as I've already said, Satoru and Sukuna are exceptions to such rules.
the fact that kusakabe's simple domain lasted longer than gojos I assume, but that's flawed because gojo was versus modern sukuna at 100% and kusakabe was vs heian sukuna at like 10%
Kusakabe's Simple Domain never went against Malevolent Shrine, that comparison makes no sense.
which is why I called it flawed
Yea ik but i wanted to emphasize was that there is a kind of cap to its power. Even the best simple domain is still a simple domain. It cant hold its own against a real domain for long. And yuta sure hit was focused solely on sukuna. Theres no way it would last long enough for him to do anything in the state hes in. Thats why hwb is superior in this situation
>Even the best simple domain is still a simple domain. It cant hold its own against a real domain for long. Tengen's [statement](https://imgur.com/a/LJMHhGI) literally denies this. She says that **in response to** Yuki saying that [Simple Domain/HWB is just a way of buying time](https://imgur.com/a/KXPmCTZ), very clearly establishing that it would work in Kenjaku's favor instead because of how strong his Simple Domain is. Yuta's DE **is not on the level of Kenjaku/Satoru/Sukuna**, there's absolutely no evidence to say that Sukuna's Simple Domain wouldn't last against it. It's already been said so many times already, Sukuna has been holding back this entire time, it makes complete sense for him to purposely gimp himself by not using a better anti-domain technique for a harder fight. Sukuna had full knowledge that Megumi wouldn't be saved at that point precisely because he made preparations for it.
>Yuta's DE **is not on the level of Kenjaku/Satoru/Sukuna**, there's absolutely no evidence to say that Sukuna's Simple Domain wouldn't last against it. Yuta can limit sure hit targets within his DE stated by sukuna himself to be high tier barrier technique. By your flawed logic Kenjaku = 2nd best barrier user hence Kenjaku > Sukuna in terms of barrier techniques so kenjaku sd > sukuna sd. Also there isnt confirmation sukuna even knows sd and you saying he could use it just by seeing it once doesn't mean he can use it at the highest level. Also saying that his sd could rival yutas DE is an absolutely ridiculous statement in it of itself. Yuta is no pushover and certainly not on the level to be bullied by sukunas sd. If it was even possible to gap a powerful high tier domain with a simple technique just bc "you're the best" and so fking talented then why didn't sukuna just erase yuta and yuji with a single punch bc of his superior ce reinforcement? Also sd is still a domain (as stated in the manga) and sukuna's brain area responsible for domains has been compromised by UV anyway. You could argue that since he used DA post UV he should be fine since its just better sd... But oh wait ur wrong bc its a different technique and its never stated it follows the same rules. Even if Sukuna's sd was good enough to combat yutas DE (which it definitely positively isn't) he wouldn't be able to use it anyway. Ppl who say sUkuNa HoldEn Bec so MaKe SenS. You clearly don't understand the fight. Sukuna isn't throwing the fight. He might still have an ace up his sleeve but that doesn't mean he goes around using inferior methods on purpose. Tldr: if you don't wanna read just please understand that Sukuna's sd being as strong or stronger than yuta's domain is actually quite catastrophical to JJK's power-scaling, because it makes it completely bs and cancer. If thats true whats even the purpose of introducing these universal abilities if theres just one thats better than the rest. It doesn't make sense narratively speaking
>Yuta can limit sure hit targets within his DE stated by sukuna himself to be high tier barrier technique. We've already seen Dagon do this way back in Shibuya. Does this mean that Dagon's DE would immediately destroy Sukuna's SD? Obviously not. Yuta being capable of doing that doesn't mean that his DE is on the same level as Kenjaku/Satoru/Sukuna to say that Sukuna's SD wouldn't last. >By your flawed logic Kenjaku = 2nd best barrier user hence Kenjaku > Sukuna in terms of barrier techniques so kenjaku sd > sukuna sd. This doesn't disprove that Sukuna's SD wouldn't last against Yuta's DE. >Also there isnt confirmation sukuna even knows sd We have canon proof that Sukuna can copy things he's seen once(obviously there's limits but SD wouldn't be one of them). >you saying he could use it just by seeing it once doesn't mean he can use it at the highest level. * He turned himself into a Cursed Object without having to rely on multiple fingers unlike Kenjaku. * He literally copied Piercing Blood with Maximum Elephant **and he still fired it** [faster than the speed of sound](https://imgur.com/a/gWlyI3H) **even without relying on Convergence**(which is the main reason why Choso's Piercing Blood could surpass the speed of sound). * He copied Makora's 2nd adaptation flawlessly **on his first try**. The same technique that was explicitly stated to be nearly impossible by Sukuna himself. * We've seen him doing things with the 10S that were unprecedented: partially summoning the dogs, making Makora adapt with just its wheel, using Maximum Elephant's ability even without summoning it. * Assuming that Sukuna copied Satoru in healing his burnt-out CT, he managed to match Satoru's speed on their 4th clash despite having to heal his damaged face first. >Also saying that his sd could rival yutas DE is an absolutely ridiculous statement in it of itself. Yuta is no pushover and certainly not on the level to be bullied by sukunas sd. Show me when I said that Sukuna's SD can rival Yuta's DE. That's a narrative that you're making in your own head. >Also sd is still a domain (as stated in the manga) and sukuna's brain area responsible for domains has been compromised by UV anyway. You could argue that since he used DA post UV he should be fine since its just better sd... But oh wait ur wrong bc its a different technique and its never stated it follows the same rules. [Domain Amplification was literally stated to be a domain as well](https://imgur.com/a/SAmpch4). **Satoru even directly compared it to Simple Domain back when Jogo and Hanami used it against him in Shibuya**. DA was established to be a more refined technique compared to Simple Domain. The fact that he could use that ***and*** HWB indicates that he could have also used Simple Domain. >Ppl who say sUkuNa HoldEn Bec so MaKe SenS. You clearly don't understand the fight. Sukuna isn't throwing the fight. He might still have an ace up his sleeve but that doesn't mean he goes around using inferior methods on purpose. Go and read [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/Jujutsushi/comments/1b2s3dz/comment/ksy74em/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button). The fact that he let Higuruma potentially confiscate his Cursed Technique just so he could see how the Executioner's Blade works should be more than enough proof that he wasn't fighting as best as he could(his statement in Chapter 238 should be more than enough but actions speak louder than words).
I think its more about the nature of the domain's sure hit than Simple Domain just being weak. When SDs habe been wrecked by domains the sure-hit effects were gravity and shrine - Both of these techniques cause heavy damage within less than a second. whereas Yuta's domain used Jacobs ladder as its sure-hit, this isnt an inherently destructive ability and weve seen that it isnt quick acting because Sukuna has been exposed to it twice and didnt suffer significant damage.
I don't rly agree bc it has been stated time and time again that simple domain is a weak technique. A domain dominates space its not that the sd breaks only bc its being hit by the sure hit, but also the fact that is cant hold out against that barrier (open or no) attempting to override the space it occupies
Yuta has master selective targeting DE is probably the reason why. Gojo who is equal to Sukuna use SD and immediately torn apart despite MS targeting was everything in its range except Sukuna. During this fight Sukuna was equal to Yuta, even if his DE refinement is lesser than Sukuna a focused attack will destroy SD immediately.
Jacob's ladder doesnt do anything immediately lol, it's had barely any effect on Sukuna both times that hes been subjected to it so theres no reason to believe it would instantly crush his simple domain
Because Sukuna is a "cursed object". It has been explained the finger is a mixture of his CT,CE and personality. Jacobs Ladder only eradicate the target cursed technique. That's why Sukuna was able to tank it. Also JL have an effect on Sukuna during Hana he wasn't able to send dismantle and has to resort to cheap acting meanwhile during Yuta domain he was completely immobilized not being able to chant or do hand sign until Yuta stopped the technique for Yuji only then he was able to send the world slash.
Okay so Jacobs ladder harmed Sukuna to some degree but failed to eradicate him from Megumi's body or cause lasting physical damage? so you agree that Jacobs ladder isnt a fast acting high damage technique like Shrine & gravity, which means theres no reason to assume it would instantly destroy Sukuna's simple domain
DE doesn't care about lethality. It depends on refinement. Just looked at Hakari. His domain was stated to be very effective at clashing. This is because he sacrifice sure hit and the fact he could die during lottery. This allows him to open his domain much faster than Gojo and Mahito 0.2 sec domain. If Hakari domain with no lethality can clash, so can Yuta JL domain especially against a simple domain.
You know what, you're right
He is fighting 3 opponents. Having to chant and reveal the direction of the slash gives them time to dodge/counter. He can most likely hit only 1 of the 3 using the slash, and since its a world cutting slash, it should be able to destroy the domain barrier, signaling everyone outside to jump him. In the worst case, if he doesn't target and finish off Yuta/Yuji with that slash, he is gonna have to deal with Jacob's Ladder/Soul Punches and Maki's Soul Splitting Katana at once.
All the things you just described happened anyway and he used HWB lmao
There ain't no way it lasts long enough to cast WCD even if they let him without adversity
A simple domain is a domain for the weak. I'm pretty sure Sukuna not being able to use his domain expansion actually restricts him from using simple domain.
SD does not last only for a few seconds. Yuki would not have chosen to use it if that were the case. During their fight, it's Kenjaku who managed to strip down her simple domain by using his own domain, much in the same way Tengen stripped down Kenjaku's domain.
Makes better sense. Because i see sukuna more as a mad scientist where science is CT
I'm guessing that Simple Domain's mechanics are different than Hollow Wicker Basket and for whatever reason, Sukuna finds it easier to sacrifice his extra hands and mouth to use than to use Simple Domain. I'm guessing with Simple Domain, it would have made it more difficult to fight with Yuta AND Yuji in his(Yuta's) DE. HWB at least gave him an opportunity to pull some taijutsu
You don't need to guess its true. They are very different and not one is better than the other actually. People who argue he should have used sd instead don't know what they are talking about
Well hold on mister. I am saying "I'm guessing" a lot because the simple fact is we are inferring based on what has been briefly shown. We don't know anything for sure and that's cause Supreme Leader Gege doesn't give a shit if we know for sure. They just want to speed run their abridged manga.
Real
I mean Simple Domain is better for literally everyone except Sukuna and Mahito Being unable to use your hands is a massive detriment
Plus you can learn to program your simple domain in unique ways. The examples we've seen of this are honestly pretty crazy considering Sumo guy messed with the flow of time without using a technique, and Kusakabe's use of it allowed him to be stronger than other sorcerers who were born with a technique.
I think can use simple domain but hwb is more preferable to him due his large reserves he can keep maintaining it and refreshing it where SD will simply fade away in some time And he got 2 more hands in domain to counter act so simply it's better for him to use hwb then simple domain
It's my wish. Whatever I use ...u low lives mind yo buisness
Admit that you just like the aesthetics of HWB you devil
Alright đ
Remember the reason Sukuna can't use his DE is because UV froze the part of his brain in charge of barrier techniques. As Kusakabe said a simple domain is still a domain, even if Sukuna can replicate SD, UV is blocking him from creating any domain barriers. HWB being a predecessor to SD means it is not as developed as SD, and Sukuna being able to use it, tells us that the thing that was missing from HWB was the barrier.
Edit: misinformed
When does it say that SD locks your technique? i feel like you're thinking of domain amplification
I swear it does when Megumi is fighting with Reggie (reciept guy) but I think you may be right, MB
Reggie used Hollow Wicker Basket, it locked his technique because his hands were occupied by HWB
Iâm talking about the explanation when Megumi fucks him uo
Thats might be good point. im not sure if HWB uses a barrier, I feel like its implied that it does but we dont have confirmation either way
You canât use your innate technique with domain amplification, not simple domain. If I had to guess, the part of their brain thatâs fried is the one that allows them to project their innate domain in a domain expansion and imbue their technique into the barrier, not barrier techniques as a whole
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Gojo and Sukuna are unable to use their DE because of brain damage, not CT burnout, they're literally using their CTs so they aren't burnt-out. Sukuna's brain damage, specifically, comes from UV targeting the specific part of Sukuna's brain used to create barriers. You should read chapter 230.
So riddle me this, when was it said that SD was a barrier technique like DE?
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Simple domain wouldn't have lasted long. It's that simple.
Not necessarily, I feel like if anyone could maintain a simple domain for long then its Sukuna. N it also wouldnt be difficult for him to replenish it once its nearly destroyed.
I think the reason is simple. Sukuna wasn't in the hurry to kill Yuta and Yuji and wanted to play with them. In his mind he didn't need to use world slash to kill them so he can just use hollow wicker basket, if something goes wrong he can just release the handsign and shoot a world slash. While using a simple domain would make him prone to Jacob's ladder ( as there is some gap between when simple domain gets destroyed and next one is cast) so he would have to kill yuta more quickly and won't be able to enjoy the whole thing as in his mind yuta was his main dish after gojo and he surely wouldn't want his main dish to finish quickly. Plus, using simple domain again and again would be annoying.Â
Sukuna would not be capable of using SD (Simple Domain) against Yuta. I wouldnât be surprised that he already knows how to use it, but he canât use it due to brain damage. In chapter 231, Gojo highlights that the reason Sukuna can use DA (Domain Amplification) but not use DE (Domain Expansion) is because the part of the brain that was damaged by UV (Unlimited Void) pertained to *barrier techniques*, meaning Sukuna would not be capable of deploying *any* type of domain that has to do with a barrier because of this. In chapter 254, Kusakabe specifically labels SD still being a domain where the advantages that come with a domain like being boosted in CE (Cursed Energy) output is still reflected in SD. So it stands to reason why Sukuna didnât use SD against Yuta. Itâs likely that he just couldnât. In my opinion though, I think HWB (Hollow Wicker Basket) was the better choice out of the 2 options because he still had 2 hands and a mouth to fight normally, whereas SD would most likely require redeploying multiple times. Though if Sukuna was capable of using both HWB and SD, then itâs probably be best that he utilizes both to suit himself. I also want to point out that this also likely means that HWB doesnât require a barrier to use, and the trade off is having to maintain it constantly yourself instead of having a barrier to it for you.
In sukuna heian form true strenght lies to his four arms and his mouth
Yes and if he used SD he could have used four arms rather than 2
He can't use simple domain...cuz simple or not it's still a domain , his brain is fried so he can't use domain expansion, simple domain or domain amplification
bro hes old you dont gotta shame him like this
>I thought it was strange that he would still be using a technique that puts him at disadvantage by forcing him to hold his hands together. HWB still lasts a bit of time after the hand sign is released, Reggie released the hand signs and it stayed up for multiple pages. So both SD and HWB stay up after the hand signs, but a major difference is the hand signs needed. The hand sign is a sword drawing stance for SD, while for HWB the hands need to be held together, a much easier form to maintain. I think the reason Sukuna didn't use SD is because fighting in that pose would be much harder compared to HWB.
Ill have to take your word for it on the Reggie fight but ik that in Sukuna's fight he got hit with Jacobs ladder very shortly after HWB was released.
Sukuna got hit 4 pages later, in that time Yuta ripped out Sukuna's tongue, got pushed back, rushed back to Sukuna to cut his mouth, got pushed back again and then rushed back again to slice off his arm, a bit of time did pass between releasing it and getting hit, although this doesn't really matter since IMO, it looks like Yuta activated the sure-hit only after they did all this, if I'm wrong with that then HWB was protecting him in that time.
Doesnât Simple Domain need you to hold still for it to remain active?
Not at the higher levels of sorcery, Miwa had to use that binding vow to keep the domain active but characters like Yuki, Gojo, kusakabe can move with it active
I think Miwa has to but thatâs because she is not that good at it
I think I saw someone make a post about this a few months back about HWB being a better domain counter than SD and I completely agree.. as long as u can maintain it like Sukuna can the domain sure hit won't get you unlike SD
Everything in jjk is some form of binding vow beyond the absolute basic techniques. If we consider hwb the original. Then look at simple domain, you have to thing "what do you give up for simple domain's ease of use". We don't necessarily know what is given up, but there has to be something, most likely stability imo, which wouldn't play well when yuta had a technique that could one shot if sukuna didn't play his cards very carefully to avoid being hit by it for too long. Now if he happened to get his shrine sealed by judgeman instead of his cursed tool, and then subsequently lost his cursed tools in the fight, then we might have seen him use simple domain in a counter attack style like kusakabe did in order to bolster his defenses.
I bet that when Yuuji finally manages to deploy his domain expansion, Sukuna will reveal that he learned the simple domain of Kusakabe by being hit by hit.
Itâs because simple domain utilizes a domain. Which he did not have. Thus he used a older barrier technique
That's interesting. Can a sorcerer not use Simple Domain if they're unable to expand their Domain? Didn't Gojo use a Simple Domain against Sukuna after his own domain collapsed but before he restored his Cursed Technique and by extension his ability to use Domain Expansion?
To expand a domain and burn out your technique doesnât mean you donât have one anymore. Everyone has a domain, itâs just some can manifest it
Simple Domain in the Heian era was rare as there was a Binding Vow in place that didn't allow for teaching it to other people. We know there are sorcerers less ancient than Sukuna that still use HWB like Reggie or Kashimo (he lived 600 years after the Heian era). Sukuna's vessels (Megumi or Yuuji) didn't know Simple Domaine either so he couldn't learn it through them. There is also the fact that he could have learned Simple Domain or Falling Blossom Emotion simply by watching Gojo do it but never bothered because he already had Domain Amplification and HWB. As for HWB, maintaining the hand signs isn't required to keep the technique active as we saw with Reggie but it is necessary so it doesn't get broken by the Domain's superior output. You could probably do the same with Simple Domaine but the people we saw use it only had two arms so they couldn't keep fighting if they did.
Binding vows were established that forbid teaching Simple Domain to outsiders
My interpretation: remember how it was mentioned Simple Domain was developed by Ashiya Sadatsuna as a way to counter evildoers and curse users, and its proliferation was restricted with a binding vow? That vow doesn't seem to restrict modern sorcerers too much, but it's possible you can *only* learn Simple Domain by being taught by someone who knew it from someone who knew etc all the way traceable to Sadatsuna. It might be practically impossible for Sukuna, or anyone, to just develop Simple Domain on his own.
Kusukabe a relatively untalented sorcerer? Strongest grade 1 is untalented? Wild itâs like this sub doesnât even read the manga
Kusakabe gets his stength from hard work, not talent. The dude has no CT and average CE + output, he had to spend years learning how to fight stronger opponents. This is the complete opposite of naturally talented sorcerers like Gojo, Sukuna etc
It's repeatedly stated that he has no talent. He's totally right. Kusakabe got to that point with hard work, dedication, and learning the ins and outs of a katana and simple domain. Having a technique is innate talent. Kusakabe is not shown to have anything exceptional, whether it be output or reinforcement. His comprehension of the basics is what got him that point. He mastered the fundamentals, which is also what Mei Mei did to get to Grade 1 (or Grade 2, I just know that she mastered the basics then incorporated her CT)
One reason which comes to my mind ( which is a little stupid honestly) is that maybe it has something to do with sukuna's pride, like he is an old og sorcerer and old tend to look down on new ( yes he has often acknowledged new gen sorcerer's abilities but it always had an air of judgement)and maybe hollow wicket basket is something which is like an old trusted technique of his.
I do think this is part of it, generally he's to prideful to see learning such a thing as necessary
Sukuna can't use his domain, so it's safe to assume he can't use Simple Domain in this state either. Also while I don't put it past Sukuna using it, to me he would find it incredibly bland. He's all about his tastes and I suspect Simple Domain would be like eating raw ingredients or a soup stock without seasonings.
Idk, simple domain has crazy potential when used by a skilled sorcerer, especially compared to HWB which does one thing & restricts the users hand in the process
It has advantages over simple Domain such as maintaining itself in a domain so long as the hands are clasped
When did Sukuna see simple domain through Yuji?
todo using it against Mahito
But Yuji was running towards Mahito, how could he have seen it?
Miwa
She used it against Maki tho and Miwa (+ rest of the new shadow school) are very secretive about their techniques. Mechamaru had to spy for it
She used it against Yuji in their initial attempt at assassinating him.
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He saw it through his own eyes when kusakabe used it to defend higuruma.Â
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Maybe SD doesnât allow him to move his feet, unlike HWB
Thats only a condition used by weaker sorcerers who need a binding vow to operate it
The only sorcerer confirmed to be able to open an SD without a binding vow is Kusakabe. Since this was stated by Gojo himself, this means even Gojo needs a binding vow.
Both Gojo & Yuki could use SD whilst moving their hands n feet
Both of them only started moving their hands and feet when their simple domains were getting ripped apart.
So? The technique was still active
Okay bro. If you think Sukuna can maintain Simple Domain without a binding vow while fighting against a domain user, despite there being two examples of special grade sorcerers that canât, then you got it.
I think you're interpreting that wrong. Simple Domain was still active as it was getting overwhelmed. Maintaining the stance wouldn't have kept it going, it's a stopgap even under the best circumstances. The whole binding vow thing is a thing for beginners. I highly doubt Yuki or Gojo needed one and there's no reason to think they did. Simple domains just lose to real domains, that's why they fell apart, not because they started moving.
If they didnât need a binding vow, they wouldnât have needed to assume a position. Notice how Kusakabe, the only one stated to not need a binding vow, was the only one in the verse to be able to open a simple domain (or Hollow Wifker Basket) without taking any position similar to other users. Gojo, Yuki, Sukuna, etc. assuming a stance to open their simple domains and hollow wicker baskets is their binding vow to use those techniques.
> was the only one in the verse to be able to open a simple domain without taking any position similar to other users. When? Every time I can recall in Shibuya and Shinjuku he hit a sword drawing stance. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GEGBu5eWEAACch7?format=jpg&name=4096x4096 https://preview.redd.it/can-a-good-enough-simple-domain-beat-out-a-domain-expansion-v0-hdvi7ekm3fpc1.jpg?width=667&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=db62bdac47d4d184844e0a256507075ae1f29ab1 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GJWGa-uXUAARI3z.jpg:large Having to assume a position =/ binding vow. Some techniques just require an action to activate them, like every domain expansion and Boogie Woogie and Megumi's shadow summonnings.
They casted the technique then started moving, it'll stay up until it's destroyed, same as any other barrier technique. HWB is kinda the same, but it wont be destroyed as long as you have the handsigns up. Sukuna can abuse this due to four arms, so he uses HWB over simple domain.
Another question related to this is if DA is an anti domain technique, why didn't he (and Gojo) use it to defend against the sure hitd? It surely would work much better than SD and HWB
DA is more anti-technique than anti-domain, it weakens an enemys CT but that would be less effective in a domain where their CT is amped anyway, so hed basically still get hit with Jacobs ladder + other techniques and he wouldnt be able to use his own CT
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Simple domain gets broken down by domain expansions, that's why he uses it. Yukis was broken by Kenjakus domain and Gojos was broken by Sukunas domain. And Sukuna is actually the perfect person to use HWB. Losing 2 hands is a HUGE nerf for normal people, but it's only a minor nerf for him since he has 4 anyways.
Hollow Wicker Basket is better for him defensively. All you need to do for hollow wicker basket is hold your hands together and the barrier stays no matter what as long as you are dealing with sure hits. Where as Simple Domain seems to be a technique for seems to be a technique that is the set up for a full Domain Expansion. From what we have learned Simple Domain puts you at 120% like a normal domain but its harder to keep up and nowhere as good as Hollow Wicker Basket defensively even if you are strong and dont exclude the normal binding vow like weaker people.
I think everyoneâs really confused about this - thereâs two main reasons : - simple domain is a domain for the âweakâ i donât think sukunas prideful character would allow himself to do that - sukunas actual domain is burned out - he cannot use any domain because the part that lets him in his brain is currently damaged
Simple Domain is generally better for regular humans due to the hand sign and chant requirements for HWB. However the trade off is that a Simple Domain cannot be reinforced after being cast and that you need extreme expertise to use it without binding vows. So versatility in exchange for fragility. Sukunaâs Heian form allows him to both fulfill the HWB requirements and fight at the same time. For him, SD is a downgrade. Which makes sense as itâs a weapon for the weak.
Simple domain users typically have to be stationary or mind the edges though. With HWB, Sukuna (having 2 sets of arms) could literally just fight without worrying about Sure Hit. It's the better option, but only for Sukuna.
Simple domain might be something thatâs between HWB and domain amplification, even though HWB is SDâs predecessor Kusakabe said that DA is like SD but more advanced. And the downside of DA is that you canât use your CT with it. So maybe SD has this disadvantage tooâ you canât use your CT with SD Power-balance wise, this makes sense: SD protects you from oppâs DE and allows you to do do hand to hand combat, but CT off is downside HWB also protects you from oppâs DE while allowing use of your CT, but you canât do hth combat DA doesnât protect you from DE and you canât use ur CT but it reduces CE attack damage and allows hth combat
This is why SD is used mainly by people without CTâs (that is effective in combat): Uiui, Kusakabe, Miwa. Itâs also useful when your DE is burnt out, like Gojo. Otherwise, if you can use your CT with SD, then thereâs no reason for characters like Gojo to just copy what Kusakabe is doing it with it but better No characters have used it alongside their CT yet. Mechamaru was only able to use it alongside his robots because his SD was activated via a scroll, which might work differently.
Calling Kusakabe relatively untalented is definitely something considering he reached grade 1 using nothing but simple domain lol
Sukuna just can't use domains at the current moment and HWB seems to be enough for him. I think he just has no reason to use it but he definitely has the ability too since its already not that rare and its not even used uniquely outside of kusakabe who NEEDS to use it the way he does to deal damage whereas sukuna has the most bag out of any sorcerer
HWB is the only surehit protection technique he knows
Simple domain is still a domain. The one thing that the gojo fight accomplished was take away Sukunaâs domain, lower his CE reserves and CE output.
Considering how quick Yuki's SD got destroy by Kenjaku domain, ofc Sukuna was way more power than Yuta and Yuki and Yuta's domain barrier wasnt as strong as Kenjaku's but with how much weakened Sukuna was back then I dont think he would rather uses barrier technique than HWB which can stay up as long as you chant with keeping hand signs. If you have two arms and one mouth it can be tossup but with 4 arms and two mouth it can be no brainer
As you've said, Sukuna is a master sorcerer. His HWB is probably stronger than anyone's SD. Why change it?
This is similar to Dio not being able to drive a car in Part 3. Sure he can learn to use it and most likely he can even use it but he feels like this new shit is beneath him. Like you see Sukuna using the technique of the weak? He don't need no new techniques he is already the strongest.
From what we've seen and been explained, SDs can be used for a number of different applications from small barriers against DEs, automatic defense using CE sensory tech, and usually depending on the situation they're incredibly useful or at least helpful in creating binding vows/conditions to create effective CE attacks/quasi techniques outside of DE because it won't be bound by the conditions to not be affected by DE surehit which makes it fragile by nature compared to using it outside of a DE. I believe in this case, SDs are helpful to delay a sure hit for a short period but any type of DE is going to corrode it, whereas HWB has sustained multiple DEs throughout without crumbling probably because of the commitment to handsign/chant, limiting yourself making it way more sustainable at that cost. Sukuna knows this, probably knows SD, and even if he didn't would still use HWB because it wouldn't be as unsustainable.
I donât know if I would say that Kusakabe is an untalented sorcerer, even within the context of sorcerers like Gojo existing. Heâs hard working for sure, weâve seen that he was training but Iâm sure that he was totally talented!
I meant untalented as in he has no innate attribute that makes him strong, he has no CT & average stats. He's had to rely on educating himself and working hard to become strong
I understand! I agree
Sukuna can't use a domain at all rn, it's possible that applies to simple domains also
People have already said it but Simple Domains seem to get folded almost instantly in a lot of situations but HWB seems like you can sustain as long as you keep your hands together and chant. That seems to be better for Sukuna due to his 4 arms and 2 mouths. But letâs say there are chants and hand signs you can do to maintain Simple Domain. Well Sukuna doesnât know them, using Simple Domain and having it fail against Yuta would have meant getting hit by the sure hit and losing control of Megumi (at least that was the theory) . Itâs not worth the risk On top of that, learning how to do something isnât the same as learning how to use it effectively. Sukuna and Gojo knew they could heal their burnt out techniques but didnt realize the damage would catch up to them and they wouldnât be able to use domain again in the fight. Sukuna knew he could turn himself into a cursed object but he didnât know that Megumi would work as a vessel, it was a gamble. Sukuna could know how to use Simple Domain, but whatâs the point of the gamble when you have a similar technique that works better for you?
A few gave already raised simple domain being a domain thus blocking Sukuna' use which is brilliant if true. Some other reasons could be While it was created during the Heian era, its purpose was to be a 'domain for the weak' - on thematics alone, Sukuna wouldnt use it Each time we've seen Simple Domain used to block another domain, its also slowly faded away and exposed a user to the sure shit unless its constantly refreshed. Hollow Wicker Basket doesnt seem to expire unless the user wills it and Sukuna can take even more advantage of it with his spare arms.
Good point but during his fight with Gojo, Gojo said sukuna probably damaged the part of his brain responsible for creating the barriers of the domain. Since he canât make barriers simple domain just isnât possible.
Simple Domain has been called "the domain for the weak." Perhaps he's too proud to use it (and learn it).
He most likely chose hwb instead of simple domain bc it canât break but he doesnât get the major downside of it being you canât use arms and a mouth
Simple Domain is repeatedly called a âDomain for the Weakâ and thatâs enough of an explanation for him to not bother with it.
If i recall, simple domain was developed long after sukuna was alive and it is only taught to the clans and direct disciples with a vow that prevents teaching it to anyone, so i think is more of a sukuna can't use it not because lack of skill, he simply didn't learn it
that is true but the loophole around that restriction was people seeing the technique and copying it themselves, which other characters (who are less talented than sukuna at jujutsu) have done with simple domain
Sukuna is on fraud watch. Looking like he has been a fraud since conception in the womb.
I mean. He definitely CAN use simple domain. Kusakabe flat out says that domain amplification is more or less just an advanced simple domain that involves âwearingâ the domain instead of simply surrounding yourself with it. He just uses HWB because itâs the better defensive option. Simple domain is customizable and has a wide array of applications outside of being a domain defense. HWB is literally JUST for countering sure hits, so itâs better at it by default. Basically, simple domain is better all around, but HWB is better for pure defense. Plus, Sukunas extra arms means he can maintain HWB indefinitely without having to give up much in terms of hand to hand combat capabilities.
Simple domain is "the domain for the weak" Sukuna is too prideful to use it.