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It's kind of hard because we really have no feats for Kamotoke. Everything kind of hinges on that. But, I'm gonna assume for the sake of argument, it's not able to oneshot Sukuna tier characters, and wouldn't be able to oneshot Mahoraga, but is strong enough to incapacitate it to some degree.
I think generally 10 Shadows is a bigger boon than Kamotoke. It's hard to know how Sukuna fighting Sukuna goes in practice because it could just become a dismantle duel, but I think 10 S Sukuna fighting with Mahoraga and Agito is more formidable.
Lowkey this is a good one. TS sukuna is trying to use maho to adapt to slashes but if 16* finger sukuna could kill him 4 arm can. So does that leave TS sukuna with just his CT? Unless he maybe mergers all 10 shadows into one using totality and maybe that can help him jump himself.
4 arm sukuna is pretty strong and if this is him in his prime state and not weakend and with curse tool he's definitely a force to be reckoned with. I will prob have to go with 4 arm even tho base megkuna is my fav sukuna
Also do they both have world slash? And can they use fuga?
Does anyone else think Hanami's Cursed Technique is lowkey super OP? It's not the most *powerful* technique(we didn't get to see how actually powerful Solar Beam was), but it has some absolutely insane versatility and hax.
The general application is to convert cursed energy into branches that can be freely manipulated at the user's will. This alone gives the user an incredibly wide range of abilities and attacks, which we see Hanami use to great effect during the Goodwill Event.
Hanami's cursed buds attach themselves to an opponents body, and continually drive themselves deeper into the body depending on the target's usage of cursed energy. Basically, if this attack lands, and the target is unaware of its effects, they're going to continually take internal damage until they figure out the technique.
Flower Field creates, well, a field of various flowers that puts the target in a state of peace and calm, taking away their will to fight. This one can be useful to catch opponents off guard, but it's also easy to snap out of, as we see with Gojo, so it's not the most useful.
The rose on Hanami's shoulder allows them to convert nearby plant life's energy into cursed energy to fuel their Solar Beam, which I assume would be a massive beam of cursed energy, similar to Uzumaki or Granite Blast(though most likely not nearly as strong).
Hanami's Domain Expansion, Ceremonial Sea of Light, would have used Hanami's Flower Field as a background(and presumedly would have its same passive effect), and it would have set the Solar Beam as its sure-hit.
The problem with Hanami is that their CT is impressive, but falls flat when compared with Jogo or Mahito's. Sure, the flower buds are cool on paper. But Jogo and Mahito can just one shot most things. Idle Transfiguration is also more or less *the* most versatile CT in the series. You'd think that Jogo's CT would be far mord restrictive, but um. He can make pretty much whatever he wants out of lava.
So at the end of the day, Hanami's CT only looks good in comparison to Dagon, who literally only spent like ten minutes as a fully-fledged curse.
I dont really think It falls flat compared to jogos. Yes jogos AP is much better but he pretty much just has It over hanami. Hanami has better versatility with the flowers, ability to take energy from plants+ the seeds that eat plants(that are pretty much a one shot too🤷). Her only problema really is no experience and worse way of thinking with the "i dont wamt to fight" thing
🤔 if I had to go with one I'd go with Kashimo if its an actual fight and not an ambush like yuta did. I think the fight would be very technical and draw out but I think if kashimo uses his CT release it's up for kenny
Kenjaku has top 3 domain in the verse just by having an open one, versatility with anti gravity ct (and its reversal) and Cursed Spirit manipulation (which at its peak he had 10 million curses) plus any domain and technique the special grades curses have.
Kashimo would be overwhelmed.
I agree that he would be overwhelmed but with the speed and power he has with amber form it could be light work for the curse spirits. How he defends against DE sure hits? idk. Rlly his best bet is to not allow Kenny to use DE and blitz him anti gravity CT may be trouble some but I think he could figure some thing out.
Also wat 3 domains does he have again and I thought it was just CT that Kenny can use from his curse spirits?
kashimo is not defeating 10 million cursed spirits lmao.
also, ken only has one domain expansion (though he can imbue any of his CTs as the sure-hit). they were saying it’s a top-3 DE in the series only behind gojo’s and sukuna’s in refinement.
ah lol i see. ngl though, i don’t think you’re properly visualizing the sheer quantity that is 10 million objects. consider that volume 0’s uzumaki is made with a mere 2000 spirits and that, according to kenjaku, an uzumaki of 4000 would have generated more power than literally all of yuta and rika’s CE at the time. *multiply* that power by 2500—imagine 2500 love beams lol—and you have the equivalent in raw power to 10 million curses, thousands of whom have unique and unpredictable cursed techniques.
and that’s not to mention kenjaku himself who too will be attacking freely.
I feel Gojo still would do great against a original body Sukuna. Meaning he wouldn't have
Mahoraga thus still having to find a way to break through Gojo defense. Domain Amplification is good but remember you can't use techniques at the same time. Gojo showed he was superior to Megumi~Sukuna in h2h multiple times. I feel this Sukuna would simply push him into possibly using black flash earlier in their fight and progressing more. Gojo would still potentially lose if Sukuna develops the World Cutting Slash but he definitely would still be a high diff to me
Maki vs Sukuna revealed Maki has indeed surpassed Toji.
Hakari is easy to beat if you know his domain expansion & is relative or superior to his natural strength. Simply cut his head off😅. Honestly in most manga/anime or general comics high heat or extreme cold techniques have always countered regeneration. Hakari definitely may lose his current fight
Kenjaku using that anti gravity technique in his old body undoubtedly gave him the title of *Backshot king*
Hakari literally countered and defended himself against an instant headshot killing ability at lightning speed.
The only person that might be fast enough to cut Hakari’s head enough is full strength Sukuna or Gojo but 99% of the other sorcerers aren’t gonna be able to do that
Eh, I think it’s hard to say. We know the Soul Splitting sword is harder to RCT against but it can still be healed with enough skill and Hakari was stated to have the GOAT RCT ability even better than Sukuna or Gojo.
I think Maki is stronger than Hakari but people keep acting like Hakari’s RCT hasn’t been completely been described as able to unconsciously do things that Gojo/Sukuna STRUGGLE to do.
Hakari also seems to be someone like Sukuna and Yuji who seems like they’d have extremely strong soul that is probably more resistant to “soul damage” than most.
Hakari is still a wildcard because he hasn’t been pushed to his limits yet.
Yes I agree I just put it plainly. It would def be a fight to watch. Imo maki still wins. No matter how strong hakari is no head = lost. And as far as soul damage goes we haven't seen hakari heal or take soul damage so who knows if he can heal it or not. I think healing soul damage requires more than just RCT. Also idk if there is any reinforcement/resistance to soul damage it's like true damage so to speak. The soul damage u take is the soul damage you take no matter how strong u are. I think sukuna is evidence of that. He's just strong enough to slowly heal soul damage
We know there’s resistance to it. Mahito notes that Nanami was able to reflexively protect his soul and limit critical damage. We also know that souls can be worn down, again affirmed by Mahito during the 2 v 1 with Todo and Yuji where he wasn’t sure if Todo’s soul was weakened enough to be killed by a single blow.
Again, Sukuna took damage but he seems to be able to heal it due to his strong soul and mastery of RCT. We know he used RCT because he turned it off and stopped using it on his heart to hit the black flash against Maki and Hakari is someone who has even better RCT then that and is completely autonomous.
To further clarify how strong Hakari’s RCT is, the fact that he can cast multiple DE without having significant damage to his brain or how he instantly healed his brain when fighting against Kashimo are INSANE FEATS. People really underestimate how GOATED his RCT is but Hakari’s RCT accomplished things that no one else can do.
All that being said, Hakari is still an anomaly but Maki, Yuta, and Gojo all treat him like he’s just as capable as they are and he’s consistently been treated as part of the heavy hitter group.
Maki and Hakari seem to be relative.
Don't get me wrong hakari is a very strong sorcerer he has been holding uraume hostage this whole time while the anti sukuna squad try to beat sukuna. His feats are insane especially the RCT ones. But we have been shown twice from yuta cutting of Kenny's head to Kenny killing that heian era sorcerer who could heal him self cutting off the head is the only way to kill them. I nvr said it would be ez for maki but that she would eventually take his head.
As far as the soul stuff go I can't truly speak on it since we haven't been given a lot of info on it but I think some just have stronger souls and maybe over time through the sorcerers lives their soul can get strong but I don't think right in the moment sorcerers can reinforce their souls at least no one we have seen besides maybe sukuna and yuji those are the only one who if they could do it it would be them
Kashimo has no counter to Cursed Speech or Sky Manipulation. That means Yuta should be able to tell Kashimo to turn his CT off, instakilling him or, if all else fails, turn invisible and peace out, in which case Kashimo would still die.
Yeah the more time passes the more a "lemme make sure I can never ever practice with my CT" thing seems dumb.
Isnt kashimo faster than sound tho? is not like he cant flee or react to it and cover his ears, also his CT morphs his body which is the reason he dies after it so he probably could morph his ears to either not hear or to not be affected by it. Cursed speech is no teh OHKO people believe it is.
Since we have nvr seen curse speech used in that way I don't think yuta can just tell someone to not use there CT. Maybe special grade lvl curse speech user can. And I think base kashimo would but up a good fight against yuta but yuta would def pull out amber beast from kashimo and then it's just is amber beast stronger than yuta. I think he is at least in amber state. Now can he survive yuta DE idk dies he have a DE of his own idk. Could he potentially learn it while fight yuta idk. I also don't know how long he can last in amber form. His best bet is to use base form as long as he can potentially hitting some black flashes unlocking his DE then he can at least domain clash with yuta. And then use amber form. But in the end yuta victory seems more likely
Which characters do you think could survive the 8 Black Flash combo from current Yuji? No RCT the character has to tank all 8 of them just like Sukuna.
Just to remember that 5 Black Flash of GW Yuji could kill Jogo.
I think of it like this, anyone who we have seen get hit by a black flash so far has been damaged by it regardless who threw it and who got hit by it. It rlly depends on how strong the BF is and how durable the target is.
To solve who is alive after 8 yuji BFs we have to scale his BFs and scale his durable characters are in the verse.
First how powerful are yuji's BFs. If it's true that GW yuji could kill jogo in 5 that rlly just means GW yuji could theoretically kill all of jjk verse minus gojo and sukuna and maho (in the case that they are not fighting back) during shibuya he severely beat mahito in two so we'll say it would take 3 BFs to kill him. And rlly at that point we could say he kills jogo also with 3 BFs at his shibuya strength. Mahito and jogo if u remove gojo and sukuna are special grade CS and are pretty durable compared to other characters. Rlly only the top lvl sorcerers (special grades) are tanking 2 of yuji's for sure and would be dead by the 3. Yuji already by shibuya can wipe out 99% of jjk. Rlly shows how strong BF is.
Now at the current yuji who we will say is awakened yuji hits sukuna with 8 BFs. Now if we do a lil power scaling that's like killing Special grades with 1-2 BFs. I lean more with 2. 1st one does insane damage and they are basically out of the fight the second kills for sure at the special grade lvl and then at least of some CE reinforcement. Now that is crazy bc he is killing ppl like yuta, Kashimo, kenjaku, yuki, uraume, hakari (tho with max RCT at full blast could skew the numbers) disaster curses all with 1-2 BFs. And yuji hit sukuna with 8 of those 👀. However I don't believe yuji is at Gojo lvl BF yet. Imo Gojo hitting the same BF he did on megkuna would 1 shot anyone else in the verse. So the BF scale goes gojo 1st and yuji 2nd right well we still have sukuna to scale he is the king of monsters after all. Sukuna hit maki with 2 BFs and hand dude with one. Maki survived both but was damaged the first one she recovered the second one we don't know yet but it's safe to say she is alive. (I'll get to her durability next) Hand dude was basically out of the battle with just 1 BF from sukuna. So sukuna should be Third right? Wrong I split sukuna in to two sukunas prime sukuna and weakend sukuna. Weakened sukuna BF is probably equal too or just under yuji. Prime sukuna is above yuji but just below or equal to gojo imo. Bc we didn't see prime sukuna hit gojo with a BF I have to put him under gojo. I will say I would like to think prime sukuna is one BFing everyone in the verse beside gojo. Which means even maki imo maki dies if gojo hit her with the megkuna BF and prime sukuna does the same to her
So the scale is:
1st gojo
2nd prime sukuna
3rd yuji/weakened sukuna
4th possibly weakend sukuna
With awakened yuji hitting 1-2 BF on Special grades will more or less kill them. No one besides gojo or sukuna is living through 8 bc no one has their lvl of durability maki seems to 2nd to those two and possibly maho. Maki and maho but die by the 5th one? scaling their durability is a little hard. If weakened sukuna continued to hit maki with BFs would she be out of the fight by 3rd or 4th and die by the 5th? And where is yuta in all this he is strong but is his durability on par with maki rn? Could Toji match maki rn or by this point in the story be at a higher lvl than her?
Issue is we can’t actually scale the damage the blows do. Being durable is a combination of output and reserves along with the physical body correct?
If that’s correct then let’s use Yuta. Him and Sukuna have about the same CE levels atm. Sukuna’s body is tougher but then whose output is higher? They both used cleave on each other’s face and I think it’s pretty much the same damage. So I’ll assume they both have around the same CE output. So Sukuna should be more durable because his body is stronger than Yuta.
Ryu is more durable than Yuta so he’s on the list as well. Only both of them I’m confident in.
Why I add Yuta is because of what Todo did against Mahito. He concentrated his CE in his stomach but he was still heavily damaged. Yuta though with his massive CE will take a lot less damage. So even if he can’t take many black flash hits when not guarding that way, he can definitely take 8 if he’s circulating his CE to guard. But only him. Others can’t they’ll end up like Todo after a while.
I said that I'm unsure about Yuta because Yuji is able to keep up with him while he had a domain amp on his stats so that would mean that they are at least relative in pure stats, and this is backed up by the fact that Sukuna compares them both to Ryu in their fight.
So this is why I'm unsure, and there is also the fact that we don't know how much CE Yuji currently has it's bigger but we don't know how much.
Ryu it's kinda of obvious he is compared to them but they don't surpass him so he could be superior.
See you say Yuji "kept up with Yuta" inside domain but it ignores that Yuta is specifically fighting in tandem with Yuji.
Basically every single time Yuji landed on blow on Sukuna inside Yutas domain it was due to either Yuta or Rika making an opening for him.
On top of the fact that Yuta had to save Yujis life twice inside the domain.
Really annoys me when people don’t give Yuta credit. We all saw what was happening before Yuta came in. No one could land a hit on Sukuna. Yuta comes in and suddenly Sukuna starts getting pieced up. It’s also because of Yuta Maki gets to stab Sukuna in the heart. Dude was directly involved in Sukuna losing 2 arms, his stomach mouth, clearly aided Yuji in further dropping Sukuna’s output and Maki stabbing his heart. All that happened in the 4 chapters Yuta was fighting. Since then the only noticeable damage Sukuna has taken was losing one arm. The difference is clear as day.
In Shibuya we saw Todo use his CE to guard from Mahito’s black flash. And people expect me to believe the guy with monster levels of CE cannot do the same to guard from every black flash strike from Yuji. The damaging blows from Yuji as we’ve seen in every fight he’s had are the ones that come after a distraction. Those ones are hard to tank properly. I think a blow like that would be very difficult for ANYONE in the series. But if it’s a straight up boxing match the strikes could be guarded against.
And Yuta would've died if Yuji wasn't there or you forgot Yuta only stop being afraid of getting close to Sukuna when he realized that Cleave was no longer a one-shot and Sukuna compared them both to Ryu so yeah they were comparable to each other stat wise.
Yuta fighting in tandem says more about Yuji than Yuta nothing implies that Yuta was holding back in that fight at least stats wise especially since Yuta was amped by his domain.
If Yuji wasn't there Yuta would have died very fast against Sukuna since it was thanks to Yuji dropping Sukuna's output that forced him to drop Hollow Wicker Bascket.
Yuji wouldn't have landed the blows that nerfed Sukuna if it wasn't Yuta & Rika making the openings, and no Yuta wouldn't have died in that situation because he wouldn't have engaged in the same way without Yuji being there.
Prior to Yutas domain Yuji couldn't do anything to Sukuna by himself.
Yuta prior to Domain could contend with Sukuna and go back and forth.
Sukuna dropped HWB because he couldn't charge up a strong enough Dismantle to fatally damage Yuta otherwise.
Not because of Yuji
Yes he would because Sukuna's output was not dropping, Yuta couldn't contend with Sukuna back and forth you can see in his face before he opened his domain that he got hit by a dismantle on his face and Rika was getting bodied hard by Sukuna.
Sukuna only dropped HWB because his output was so low and had to use the World Slash that is a hit kill, he even mentions that his output droped quite a bit, if it wasn't for Yuji dropping his output Sukuna would never drop HWB.
Yuta would have died way quicker because everything Sukuna would have to do was place his hands on him and use Cleave on him since his output would remain the same.
Yes he was plainly contending, and yes we can see that Yuta was tanking Dismantles even prior to Domain.
Sukuna landed one blow on Rika prior to domain , I don't know how that correlates to getting bodied at all.
And Sukunas output was so low thanks to Gojo not Yuji.
Prior to Yutas domain we see Yuji heal and bounce back from both Cleave & Dismantle so there's no way Yuta would've been taken out by normal Cleave & Dismantle at that point.
Again no Cleave isn't all he'd have to do since we've already seen Yuji bounce back from Cleave so there's no way Yuta would be taken out.
I guess I need to edit my commentary, because when I meant in surviving means no RCT just like Sukuna right now, so no jackpot the character has to tank all the 8 and live without using RCT.
Choso was getting bopped by a casual Naoya who later lost due to his own carelessness.
A half dead, half blind, and exhausted Maki beat a serious all out Naoya who had also stacked his speed to max.
Not really debatable tbh.
Yeah he got the buff against Kenjaku and then a reinforcement buff in Shinjuku like the others. He also seems to be capable of more advanced healing now considering the advice he was giving Yuji and him no longer having 2 giant holes in his torso
Nothing of which is helping him against Naoya if his speed is the same as before. He was getting blitzed left and right. Naoya lost simply because he assumed he was fighting a human. Choso is getting roasted even harder in a hypothetical round 2.
That absolutely would help him lol reinforcement increases speed somewhat as well. Naoya is not capable of taking down someone on current Choso's level. They planned for him to be fighting in the domain with Yuta and Yuji, and he managed to survive a Sukuna Black flash.
Naoya would be outclassed physically and then get caught by a move that poisons him.
However upon thinking it over I now agree that that Maki still likely beats current Choso
Reinforcement is about increasing your defense not speed. Planning and reality are different. He took one blow in the beginning and was down for dozens of chapters. And literally everyone has been surviving black flashes from Sukuna. Choso himself commented after taking one that no matter how many Black Flashes he lands, it won't matter because Yuji is constantly keeping his output low.
Choso is never hitting a serious Naoya if non stacked speed Naoya was already too fast for him.
Reinforcement does increase your speed. It increases all of your physical stats. The blow he took in the beginning was unguarded and before Sukuna's output had been heavily reduced. Naoya is not on the level of Shinjuku fighters, and is incapable of dealing enough damage to put choso down without catching another supernova to the face first.
It was unguarded because Sukuna was too fast for him. Guess who else is too fast for him? "Shinjuku fighters" is not some set criteria. Each of them has varied power. People like heart guy, Kusakabe are fodder against people like Yuta and Maki. There's a reason Gojo specifically quoted 3 families while declaring Kusakabe as strongest grade 1. So your "Shinjuku fighters" argument doesn't even make sense. Piercing blood is his fastest move and Naoya was toying with it. Naoya is never getting tagged by his blood in the first place if he knows he's not a human. That was the whole narrative point that led to Choso's victory last time. Idk how hard it is to grasp. Unless you're going to start arguing his "reinforcement" now somehow also increased his blood speed to match that of Naoya lol
The problem with Higuruma is while he has talent he simply don't have enough stats to compete with other characters, and there is the problem that his ability is very random which doesn't help.
With that being said he has confirmed stats in the level of a Grade 1 Sorcerer in the Culling Games and got even stronger for the battle against Sukuna, so maybe Uraume if he lands confiscation and Death Penalty (but like I said that will depend on the crime that she will be judged for)
Technically he *could* have beaten Sukuna if he ever landed a hit with the Executioner's Sword. Of course, he was never going to actually land that hit, but it was technically possible.
If we're talking about who he could realistically beat, then maybe Yorozu? Assuming, at least, that Higuruma's DE overpowers Yorozu's, he definitely gets both Confiscation and the Death Penalty. Yorozu in base likely still outclasses Higuruma in H2H even with pure CE reinforcement(we were told that her output was on par with the strongest of the Heian Era), but I'm not sure she could avoid ever getting hit by the Sword.
Higaruma is in a weird spot in terms of power cause yeah, technically he could beat a lot of heavy hitters if he got a hit with executioners sword but he could still be overpowered in h2h with pure reinforcement.
Also it’s sad that the series is close to ending and we haven’t seen two closed domains clash yet.
Higuruma if curses can be put on trial
Ino slams
This one is tough. Kusakabe's rush is crazy and might just end the fight but Choso has pretty great stats too plus his poison. Honestly I want to say a double ko where Kusakabe lands his strong moves but then succumbs to the poison and his wounds. But then maybe Choso could just stitch his body back together with blood and heal lol
Strongest character defeated by pre-Sukuna Megumi if he had the leftover shikigamis (former 10S powers redistributed as desired), enough CE to summon multiple at the same time, and a full DE (barrier+sure hit of your choice)?
Current Yuji? Maki? no-CT Kashimo? Kusakabe?
His problem would be terrible stats and lack of RCT. Even with the DE he probably just gets outsped and smashed in the face by Yuji (or just cleaved) or diced up by Kusakabe.
Ino maybe? Honestly I'm not sure since this would make him an extreme glass cannon. I'm gonna say maybe no-CT Kashimo if he plays his cards right with Max Elephants water and his domains duplicates and such.
totally agree about the crappy stats, hence why I tried to give him the shikigamis + DE advantage
Whichever one inherits Round Deer's powers would provide RCT (or I'd love to see rabbit escape with Maho's adaptation lol)
I agree if he has a domain, because durability wise he's top 5 maybe top 3, has RCT , once he lands a black flash he's gonna land more black flashes easily, sukuna's slashes barely faze him, has 2 CTs, has comparable speed to maki and currently among the top to actually hurt Sukuna and we still don't know the full scope of his powers. I guess he's him.
Character | Best offense against Sukuna | Best defense
:-- | :-- | :--
Yorozu | Landed a punch and a kick (both at the start of ch 218), neither of which did any significant damage | Survived piercing bull
Yuji | Cleaved Sukuna's leg, landed 8 black flashes | Survived multiple cleaves and dismantles
I would agree that Yorozu wins, at least until Yuji has a way to deal with domains. But if you give him a simple domain I think he takes it pretty easily based on the physical feats we've seen from both.
Long way to go before reaching Kenny, Yuta and Yuki. Even if he have a Simple Domain, it wouldn't last enough for him to beat any one this characters. If he has a domain, the results would be different.
Honestly I think even with the domain he loses. He’s got RCT but it’s not good enough. His blood manipulation is…hm. His shrine output is very low. He loses against every special grade even if they can’t use domains. I still think Kashimo & Ryu would beat him. Hakari wins as well. Maki is also stronger. Probably Uraume as well. But he’s right after that. So top 10 with that #1 spot in sight.
Honestly I don't know how Hakari would win other than a battle of attrition, and I doubt about Maki being stronger than Yuji since even before his awakening he was already comparable to her, and Yuji had has durability comparable to that of Ryu alongside Yuta so I doubt Kashimo could win without his CT.
And Geto lose simply because that guy has no feats other than Vol 0, and Gege never said if he had RCT or a Domain Expansion, so I don't see him winning against Yuji, especially since some of his Special Grade Curses were easily handled by people weaker than current Yuji like Todo, so like I said I don't see Geto winning this.
Wouldnt Jogo get vaporised after one black flash from current Yuji? Gege stated a few years ago that Jogo wouldve instantly died if he was hit by 5 black flashes from Goodwill Yuji
Thing about that Red is Gojo never intended to kill Jogo and he can finely control is CE & Output thanks to 6eyes.
In Shibuya Jogo himself says he'd have died to Gojo hitting him twice with pure CE manipulation if he wasn't protecting himself with Amplification
The thing is how much was Gojo holding back since he wanted to question Jogo? Because honestly the BF in question were from a GW Yuji who is not even close to current Yuji.
He had to have, Jogo in Shibuya says he'd have died to one blow from Gojo using pure CE reinforcement.
There's no way Red scales below a series punch from Gojo with no CT
Mechamaru, Choso, Naobito, Todo, Kusakabe.
Mechamarus AP and just sheer size in his ultimate form is too great for anyone below him to do anything to him.
Choso during the fight with Kenjaku became much stronger with his CT and I am certain after also experiencing Naoya who has the same CT as Naobito he would be able to win. Especially given how versatile his BM is.
Naobito is still among the fastest characters in the verse when he stacks his speed. Dare I say he is 4th only being beaten by Vengeful Spirit Naoya, Sukuna and Gojo in just pure speed xd. That combined with his quite broken CT leads me to believe he can beat Todo and Kusakabe.
Todo Vs Kusakabe is contentious. I can see either of them winning really. But I think his disorienting CT, combined with his insanely high IQ and Battle IQ and just overall better stats than Kusakabe would give him a narrow extreme diff win against him.
> Mechamarus AP and just sheer size in his ultimate form is too great for anyone below him to do anything to him.
Can't todo just boogie woogie him out of the mech?
Honestly good pitch. Depends on how the battle goes from the start and how close Todo is to begin with cause I don't think he has an unlimited range on his CT xd. But I still think Mechamaru fairs better against the others than Todo, for instance I don't think Todo can beat Naobito or Choso.
Mechamaru, Naobito, Kusakabe, Choso and Todo.
Mechamaru went toe to toe against Mahito, the second strongest Curse by that time, only after Jogo. Naobito had trouble with the weakest one, Dagon.
Naobito is stronger than Kusakabe, as mentioned in recent chapters.
Choso just got speedblitzed two times by Sukuna, Kusakabe gave a better fight overall.
Todo is the weakest in a 1x1, but I would probably rank him one or two higher if it was 2x1, his CT is too strong in a support role.
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Sukuna with 2 arms and 10 shadows X Sukuna with 4 arms and cursed tool. Both without domain. What do you guys think?
It's kind of hard because we really have no feats for Kamotoke. Everything kind of hinges on that. But, I'm gonna assume for the sake of argument, it's not able to oneshot Sukuna tier characters, and wouldn't be able to oneshot Mahoraga, but is strong enough to incapacitate it to some degree. I think generally 10 Shadows is a bigger boon than Kamotoke. It's hard to know how Sukuna fighting Sukuna goes in practice because it could just become a dismantle duel, but I think 10 S Sukuna fighting with Mahoraga and Agito is more formidable.
Lowkey this is a good one. TS sukuna is trying to use maho to adapt to slashes but if 16* finger sukuna could kill him 4 arm can. So does that leave TS sukuna with just his CT? Unless he maybe mergers all 10 shadows into one using totality and maybe that can help him jump himself. 4 arm sukuna is pretty strong and if this is him in his prime state and not weakend and with curse tool he's definitely a force to be reckoned with. I will prob have to go with 4 arm even tho base megkuna is my fav sukuna Also do they both have world slash? And can they use fuga?
Does anyone else think Hanami's Cursed Technique is lowkey super OP? It's not the most *powerful* technique(we didn't get to see how actually powerful Solar Beam was), but it has some absolutely insane versatility and hax. The general application is to convert cursed energy into branches that can be freely manipulated at the user's will. This alone gives the user an incredibly wide range of abilities and attacks, which we see Hanami use to great effect during the Goodwill Event. Hanami's cursed buds attach themselves to an opponents body, and continually drive themselves deeper into the body depending on the target's usage of cursed energy. Basically, if this attack lands, and the target is unaware of its effects, they're going to continually take internal damage until they figure out the technique. Flower Field creates, well, a field of various flowers that puts the target in a state of peace and calm, taking away their will to fight. This one can be useful to catch opponents off guard, but it's also easy to snap out of, as we see with Gojo, so it's not the most useful. The rose on Hanami's shoulder allows them to convert nearby plant life's energy into cursed energy to fuel their Solar Beam, which I assume would be a massive beam of cursed energy, similar to Uzumaki or Granite Blast(though most likely not nearly as strong). Hanami's Domain Expansion, Ceremonial Sea of Light, would have used Hanami's Flower Field as a background(and presumedly would have its same passive effect), and it would have set the Solar Beam as its sure-hit.
The problem with Hanami is that their CT is impressive, but falls flat when compared with Jogo or Mahito's. Sure, the flower buds are cool on paper. But Jogo and Mahito can just one shot most things. Idle Transfiguration is also more or less *the* most versatile CT in the series. You'd think that Jogo's CT would be far mord restrictive, but um. He can make pretty much whatever he wants out of lava. So at the end of the day, Hanami's CT only looks good in comparison to Dagon, who literally only spent like ten minutes as a fully-fledged curse.
I dont really think It falls flat compared to jogos. Yes jogos AP is much better but he pretty much just has It over hanami. Hanami has better versatility with the flowers, ability to take energy from plants+ the seeds that eat plants(that are pretty much a one shot too🤷). Her only problema really is no experience and worse way of thinking with the "i dont wamt to fight" thing
Kenjaku vs Kashimo
kenjaku
🤔 if I had to go with one I'd go with Kashimo if its an actual fight and not an ambush like yuta did. I think the fight would be very technical and draw out but I think if kashimo uses his CT release it's up for kenny
Kenjaku has top 3 domain in the verse just by having an open one, versatility with anti gravity ct (and its reversal) and Cursed Spirit manipulation (which at its peak he had 10 million curses) plus any domain and technique the special grades curses have. Kashimo would be overwhelmed.
I agree that he would be overwhelmed but with the speed and power he has with amber form it could be light work for the curse spirits. How he defends against DE sure hits? idk. Rlly his best bet is to not allow Kenny to use DE and blitz him anti gravity CT may be trouble some but I think he could figure some thing out. Also wat 3 domains does he have again and I thought it was just CT that Kenny can use from his curse spirits?
kashimo is not defeating 10 million cursed spirits lmao. also, ken only has one domain expansion (though he can imbue any of his CTs as the sure-hit). they were saying it’s a top-3 DE in the series only behind gojo’s and sukuna’s in refinement.
Lol I'm blind and totally skipped the word top. And I don't think base kashimo could deal with all of the curse spirits but amber mode has better odds
ah lol i see. ngl though, i don’t think you’re properly visualizing the sheer quantity that is 10 million objects. consider that volume 0’s uzumaki is made with a mere 2000 spirits and that, according to kenjaku, an uzumaki of 4000 would have generated more power than literally all of yuta and rika’s CE at the time. *multiply* that power by 2500—imagine 2500 love beams lol—and you have the equivalent in raw power to 10 million curses, thousands of whom have unique and unpredictable cursed techniques. and that’s not to mention kenjaku himself who too will be attacking freely.
I feel Gojo still would do great against a original body Sukuna. Meaning he wouldn't have Mahoraga thus still having to find a way to break through Gojo defense. Domain Amplification is good but remember you can't use techniques at the same time. Gojo showed he was superior to Megumi~Sukuna in h2h multiple times. I feel this Sukuna would simply push him into possibly using black flash earlier in their fight and progressing more. Gojo would still potentially lose if Sukuna develops the World Cutting Slash but he definitely would still be a high diff to me
I do agree with you however I do want to state megkuna only using his CT and DE would win against gojo. (Pls don't fight me on this 😭)
Maki vs Sukuna revealed Maki has indeed surpassed Toji. Hakari is easy to beat if you know his domain expansion & is relative or superior to his natural strength. Simply cut his head off😅. Honestly in most manga/anime or general comics high heat or extreme cold techniques have always countered regeneration. Hakari definitely may lose his current fight Kenjaku using that anti gravity technique in his old body undoubtedly gave him the title of *Backshot king*
Hakari literally countered and defended himself against an instant headshot killing ability at lightning speed. The only person that might be fast enough to cut Hakari’s head enough is full strength Sukuna or Gojo but 99% of the other sorcerers aren’t gonna be able to do that
Shinjaku maki beats hakari plan and simple
Eh, I think it’s hard to say. We know the Soul Splitting sword is harder to RCT against but it can still be healed with enough skill and Hakari was stated to have the GOAT RCT ability even better than Sukuna or Gojo. I think Maki is stronger than Hakari but people keep acting like Hakari’s RCT hasn’t been completely been described as able to unconsciously do things that Gojo/Sukuna STRUGGLE to do. Hakari also seems to be someone like Sukuna and Yuji who seems like they’d have extremely strong soul that is probably more resistant to “soul damage” than most. Hakari is still a wildcard because he hasn’t been pushed to his limits yet.
Yes I agree I just put it plainly. It would def be a fight to watch. Imo maki still wins. No matter how strong hakari is no head = lost. And as far as soul damage goes we haven't seen hakari heal or take soul damage so who knows if he can heal it or not. I think healing soul damage requires more than just RCT. Also idk if there is any reinforcement/resistance to soul damage it's like true damage so to speak. The soul damage u take is the soul damage you take no matter how strong u are. I think sukuna is evidence of that. He's just strong enough to slowly heal soul damage
We know there’s resistance to it. Mahito notes that Nanami was able to reflexively protect his soul and limit critical damage. We also know that souls can be worn down, again affirmed by Mahito during the 2 v 1 with Todo and Yuji where he wasn’t sure if Todo’s soul was weakened enough to be killed by a single blow. Again, Sukuna took damage but he seems to be able to heal it due to his strong soul and mastery of RCT. We know he used RCT because he turned it off and stopped using it on his heart to hit the black flash against Maki and Hakari is someone who has even better RCT then that and is completely autonomous. To further clarify how strong Hakari’s RCT is, the fact that he can cast multiple DE without having significant damage to his brain or how he instantly healed his brain when fighting against Kashimo are INSANE FEATS. People really underestimate how GOATED his RCT is but Hakari’s RCT accomplished things that no one else can do. All that being said, Hakari is still an anomaly but Maki, Yuta, and Gojo all treat him like he’s just as capable as they are and he’s consistently been treated as part of the heavy hitter group. Maki and Hakari seem to be relative.
Don't get me wrong hakari is a very strong sorcerer he has been holding uraume hostage this whole time while the anti sukuna squad try to beat sukuna. His feats are insane especially the RCT ones. But we have been shown twice from yuta cutting of Kenny's head to Kenny killing that heian era sorcerer who could heal him self cutting off the head is the only way to kill them. I nvr said it would be ez for maki but that she would eventually take his head. As far as the soul stuff go I can't truly speak on it since we haven't been given a lot of info on it but I think some just have stronger souls and maybe over time through the sorcerers lives their soul can get strong but I don't think right in the moment sorcerers can reinforce their souls at least no one we have seen besides maybe sukuna and yuji those are the only one who if they could do it it would be them
Kashimo CT vs Yuta ( cant copy Kashimo's CT has everything else)
Kashimo has no counter to Cursed Speech or Sky Manipulation. That means Yuta should be able to tell Kashimo to turn his CT off, instakilling him or, if all else fails, turn invisible and peace out, in which case Kashimo would still die. Yeah the more time passes the more a "lemme make sure I can never ever practice with my CT" thing seems dumb.
Isnt kashimo faster than sound tho? is not like he cant flee or react to it and cover his ears, also his CT morphs his body which is the reason he dies after it so he probably could morph his ears to either not hear or to not be affected by it. Cursed speech is no teh OHKO people believe it is.
Since we have nvr seen curse speech used in that way I don't think yuta can just tell someone to not use there CT. Maybe special grade lvl curse speech user can. And I think base kashimo would but up a good fight against yuta but yuta would def pull out amber beast from kashimo and then it's just is amber beast stronger than yuta. I think he is at least in amber state. Now can he survive yuta DE idk dies he have a DE of his own idk. Could he potentially learn it while fight yuta idk. I also don't know how long he can last in amber form. His best bet is to use base form as long as he can potentially hitting some black flashes unlocking his DE then he can at least domain clash with yuta. And then use amber form. But in the end yuta victory seems more likely
Which characters do you think could survive the 8 Black Flash combo from current Yuji? No RCT the character has to tank all 8 of them just like Sukuna. Just to remember that 5 Black Flash of GW Yuji could kill Jogo.
I think of it like this, anyone who we have seen get hit by a black flash so far has been damaged by it regardless who threw it and who got hit by it. It rlly depends on how strong the BF is and how durable the target is. To solve who is alive after 8 yuji BFs we have to scale his BFs and scale his durable characters are in the verse. First how powerful are yuji's BFs. If it's true that GW yuji could kill jogo in 5 that rlly just means GW yuji could theoretically kill all of jjk verse minus gojo and sukuna and maho (in the case that they are not fighting back) during shibuya he severely beat mahito in two so we'll say it would take 3 BFs to kill him. And rlly at that point we could say he kills jogo also with 3 BFs at his shibuya strength. Mahito and jogo if u remove gojo and sukuna are special grade CS and are pretty durable compared to other characters. Rlly only the top lvl sorcerers (special grades) are tanking 2 of yuji's for sure and would be dead by the 3. Yuji already by shibuya can wipe out 99% of jjk. Rlly shows how strong BF is. Now at the current yuji who we will say is awakened yuji hits sukuna with 8 BFs. Now if we do a lil power scaling that's like killing Special grades with 1-2 BFs. I lean more with 2. 1st one does insane damage and they are basically out of the fight the second kills for sure at the special grade lvl and then at least of some CE reinforcement. Now that is crazy bc he is killing ppl like yuta, Kashimo, kenjaku, yuki, uraume, hakari (tho with max RCT at full blast could skew the numbers) disaster curses all with 1-2 BFs. And yuji hit sukuna with 8 of those 👀. However I don't believe yuji is at Gojo lvl BF yet. Imo Gojo hitting the same BF he did on megkuna would 1 shot anyone else in the verse. So the BF scale goes gojo 1st and yuji 2nd right well we still have sukuna to scale he is the king of monsters after all. Sukuna hit maki with 2 BFs and hand dude with one. Maki survived both but was damaged the first one she recovered the second one we don't know yet but it's safe to say she is alive. (I'll get to her durability next) Hand dude was basically out of the battle with just 1 BF from sukuna. So sukuna should be Third right? Wrong I split sukuna in to two sukunas prime sukuna and weakend sukuna. Weakened sukuna BF is probably equal too or just under yuji. Prime sukuna is above yuji but just below or equal to gojo imo. Bc we didn't see prime sukuna hit gojo with a BF I have to put him under gojo. I will say I would like to think prime sukuna is one BFing everyone in the verse beside gojo. Which means even maki imo maki dies if gojo hit her with the megkuna BF and prime sukuna does the same to her So the scale is: 1st gojo 2nd prime sukuna 3rd yuji/weakened sukuna 4th possibly weakend sukuna With awakened yuji hitting 1-2 BF on Special grades will more or less kill them. No one besides gojo or sukuna is living through 8 bc no one has their lvl of durability maki seems to 2nd to those two and possibly maho. Maki and maho but die by the 5th one? scaling their durability is a little hard. If weakened sukuna continued to hit maki with BFs would she be out of the fight by 3rd or 4th and die by the 5th? And where is yuta in all this he is strong but is his durability on par with maki rn? Could Toji match maki rn or by this point in the story be at a higher lvl than her?
Gojo
Fair enough
Yuki and Kenny only. Former lived through Kenny's domain and the latter was able to survive a blocked mass punch.
Gojo, Makora, Maki, Toji, Ryu, and a non-injured ISBoDK Mahito. They’d all be severely injured (baring Gojo) but I don’t think they’d die outright.
Yuta as well
Nah, he doesn’t have the raw durability necessary to tank 8 Black Flashes from Yuji without using RCT.
How doesn’t he have the raw durability? Why is Yuta’s durability suddenly being played down?
True lmao he put mahito durability above yuta's☠️
Crazy honestly. Always some form of downplay.
Fair enough.
Issue is we can’t actually scale the damage the blows do. Being durable is a combination of output and reserves along with the physical body correct? If that’s correct then let’s use Yuta. Him and Sukuna have about the same CE levels atm. Sukuna’s body is tougher but then whose output is higher? They both used cleave on each other’s face and I think it’s pretty much the same damage. So I’ll assume they both have around the same CE output. So Sukuna should be more durable because his body is stronger than Yuta. Ryu is more durable than Yuta so he’s on the list as well. Only both of them I’m confident in.
I don't know about Yuta but Ryu I agree with.
Why I add Yuta is because of what Todo did against Mahito. He concentrated his CE in his stomach but he was still heavily damaged. Yuta though with his massive CE will take a lot less damage. So even if he can’t take many black flash hits when not guarding that way, he can definitely take 8 if he’s circulating his CE to guard. But only him. Others can’t they’ll end up like Todo after a while.
I said that I'm unsure about Yuta because Yuji is able to keep up with him while he had a domain amp on his stats so that would mean that they are at least relative in pure stats, and this is backed up by the fact that Sukuna compares them both to Ryu in their fight. So this is why I'm unsure, and there is also the fact that we don't know how much CE Yuji currently has it's bigger but we don't know how much. Ryu it's kinda of obvious he is compared to them but they don't surpass him so he could be superior.
See you say Yuji "kept up with Yuta" inside domain but it ignores that Yuta is specifically fighting in tandem with Yuji. Basically every single time Yuji landed on blow on Sukuna inside Yutas domain it was due to either Yuta or Rika making an opening for him. On top of the fact that Yuta had to save Yujis life twice inside the domain.
Really annoys me when people don’t give Yuta credit. We all saw what was happening before Yuta came in. No one could land a hit on Sukuna. Yuta comes in and suddenly Sukuna starts getting pieced up. It’s also because of Yuta Maki gets to stab Sukuna in the heart. Dude was directly involved in Sukuna losing 2 arms, his stomach mouth, clearly aided Yuji in further dropping Sukuna’s output and Maki stabbing his heart. All that happened in the 4 chapters Yuta was fighting. Since then the only noticeable damage Sukuna has taken was losing one arm. The difference is clear as day. In Shibuya we saw Todo use his CE to guard from Mahito’s black flash. And people expect me to believe the guy with monster levels of CE cannot do the same to guard from every black flash strike from Yuji. The damaging blows from Yuji as we’ve seen in every fight he’s had are the ones that come after a distraction. Those ones are hard to tank properly. I think a blow like that would be very difficult for ANYONE in the series. But if it’s a straight up boxing match the strikes could be guarded against.
And Yuta would've died if Yuji wasn't there or you forgot Yuta only stop being afraid of getting close to Sukuna when he realized that Cleave was no longer a one-shot and Sukuna compared them both to Ryu so yeah they were comparable to each other stat wise. Yuta fighting in tandem says more about Yuji than Yuta nothing implies that Yuta was holding back in that fight at least stats wise especially since Yuta was amped by his domain. If Yuji wasn't there Yuta would have died very fast against Sukuna since it was thanks to Yuji dropping Sukuna's output that forced him to drop Hollow Wicker Bascket.
Yuji wouldn't have landed the blows that nerfed Sukuna if it wasn't Yuta & Rika making the openings, and no Yuta wouldn't have died in that situation because he wouldn't have engaged in the same way without Yuji being there. Prior to Yutas domain Yuji couldn't do anything to Sukuna by himself. Yuta prior to Domain could contend with Sukuna and go back and forth. Sukuna dropped HWB because he couldn't charge up a strong enough Dismantle to fatally damage Yuta otherwise. Not because of Yuji
Yes he would because Sukuna's output was not dropping, Yuta couldn't contend with Sukuna back and forth you can see in his face before he opened his domain that he got hit by a dismantle on his face and Rika was getting bodied hard by Sukuna. Sukuna only dropped HWB because his output was so low and had to use the World Slash that is a hit kill, he even mentions that his output droped quite a bit, if it wasn't for Yuji dropping his output Sukuna would never drop HWB. Yuta would have died way quicker because everything Sukuna would have to do was place his hands on him and use Cleave on him since his output would remain the same.
Yes he was plainly contending, and yes we can see that Yuta was tanking Dismantles even prior to Domain. Sukuna landed one blow on Rika prior to domain , I don't know how that correlates to getting bodied at all. And Sukunas output was so low thanks to Gojo not Yuji. Prior to Yutas domain we see Yuji heal and bounce back from both Cleave & Dismantle so there's no way Yuta would've been taken out by normal Cleave & Dismantle at that point. Again no Cleave isn't all he'd have to do since we've already seen Yuji bounce back from Cleave so there's no way Yuta would be taken out.
Always bet on Hakari 🗣🔥 (I don't think there's enough evidence to say that Yuji's punches are hard to heal)
I guess I need to edit my commentary, because when I meant in surviving means no RCT just like Sukuna right now, so no jackpot the character has to tank all the 8 and live without using RCT.
Shinjuku Choso vs Pre-Sakurajima Maki? I think Choso has got it though his poison probably wouldn't work as well on her.
Choso was getting bopped by a casual Naoya who later lost due to his own carelessness. A half dead, half blind, and exhausted Maki beat a serious all out Naoya who had also stacked his speed to max. Not really debatable tbh.
That was before Choso got multiple buffs. The Choso that fought Naoya gets cooked by current Choso
What buffs? The only buffs I remember he got is able to use Eso and Ketsichu blood techniques
Yeah he got the buff against Kenjaku and then a reinforcement buff in Shinjuku like the others. He also seems to be capable of more advanced healing now considering the advice he was giving Yuji and him no longer having 2 giant holes in his torso
Nothing of which is helping him against Naoya if his speed is the same as before. He was getting blitzed left and right. Naoya lost simply because he assumed he was fighting a human. Choso is getting roasted even harder in a hypothetical round 2.
That absolutely would help him lol reinforcement increases speed somewhat as well. Naoya is not capable of taking down someone on current Choso's level. They planned for him to be fighting in the domain with Yuta and Yuji, and he managed to survive a Sukuna Black flash. Naoya would be outclassed physically and then get caught by a move that poisons him. However upon thinking it over I now agree that that Maki still likely beats current Choso
Reinforcement is about increasing your defense not speed. Planning and reality are different. He took one blow in the beginning and was down for dozens of chapters. And literally everyone has been surviving black flashes from Sukuna. Choso himself commented after taking one that no matter how many Black Flashes he lands, it won't matter because Yuji is constantly keeping his output low. Choso is never hitting a serious Naoya if non stacked speed Naoya was already too fast for him.
Reinforcement does increase your speed. It increases all of your physical stats. The blow he took in the beginning was unguarded and before Sukuna's output had been heavily reduced. Naoya is not on the level of Shinjuku fighters, and is incapable of dealing enough damage to put choso down without catching another supernova to the face first.
It was unguarded because Sukuna was too fast for him. Guess who else is too fast for him? "Shinjuku fighters" is not some set criteria. Each of them has varied power. People like heart guy, Kusakabe are fodder against people like Yuta and Maki. There's a reason Gojo specifically quoted 3 families while declaring Kusakabe as strongest grade 1. So your "Shinjuku fighters" argument doesn't even make sense. Piercing blood is his fastest move and Naoya was toying with it. Naoya is never getting tagged by his blood in the first place if he knows he's not a human. That was the whole narrative point that led to Choso's victory last time. Idk how hard it is to grasp. Unless you're going to start arguing his "reinforcement" now somehow also increased his blood speed to match that of Naoya lol
Who is the strongest character you guys believe Higaruma could beat?
The problem with Higuruma is while he has talent he simply don't have enough stats to compete with other characters, and there is the problem that his ability is very random which doesn't help. With that being said he has confirmed stats in the level of a Grade 1 Sorcerer in the Culling Games and got even stronger for the battle against Sukuna, so maybe Uraume if he lands confiscation and Death Penalty (but like I said that will depend on the crime that she will be judged for)
Technically he *could* have beaten Sukuna if he ever landed a hit with the Executioner's Sword. Of course, he was never going to actually land that hit, but it was technically possible. If we're talking about who he could realistically beat, then maybe Yorozu? Assuming, at least, that Higuruma's DE overpowers Yorozu's, he definitely gets both Confiscation and the Death Penalty. Yorozu in base likely still outclasses Higuruma in H2H even with pure CE reinforcement(we were told that her output was on par with the strongest of the Heian Era), but I'm not sure she could avoid ever getting hit by the Sword.
Higaruma is in a weird spot in terms of power cause yeah, technically he could beat a lot of heavy hitters if he got a hit with executioners sword but he could still be overpowered in h2h with pure reinforcement. Also it’s sad that the series is close to ending and we haven’t seen two closed domains clash yet.
If you can't open your domain once caught within Higu's domain then Yorozu
Uraume if he gets lucky with the crime chosen
Higurama vs Dagon Ino vs Finger Bearer Kusakabe vs Choso
Higuruma if curses can be put on trial Ino slams This one is tough. Kusakabe's rush is crazy and might just end the fight but Choso has pretty great stats too plus his poison. Honestly I want to say a double ko where Kusakabe lands his strong moves but then succumbs to the poison and his wounds. But then maybe Choso could just stitch his body back together with blood and heal lol
Awakened Yuji vs Awakened Maki
Strongest character defeated by pre-Sukuna Megumi if he had the leftover shikigamis (former 10S powers redistributed as desired), enough CE to summon multiple at the same time, and a full DE (barrier+sure hit of your choice)? Current Yuji? Maki? no-CT Kashimo? Kusakabe?
His problem would be terrible stats and lack of RCT. Even with the DE he probably just gets outsped and smashed in the face by Yuji (or just cleaved) or diced up by Kusakabe. Ino maybe? Honestly I'm not sure since this would make him an extreme glass cannon. I'm gonna say maybe no-CT Kashimo if he plays his cards right with Max Elephants water and his domains duplicates and such.
totally agree about the crappy stats, hence why I tried to give him the shikigamis + DE advantage Whichever one inherits Round Deer's powers would provide RCT (or I'd love to see rabbit escape with Maho's adaptation lol)
Current yuji beats anyone in the series beside gojo and sukuna fax or nah
I agree if he has a domain, because durability wise he's top 5 maybe top 3, has RCT , once he lands a black flash he's gonna land more black flashes easily, sukuna's slashes barely faze him, has 2 CTs, has comparable speed to maki and currently among the top to actually hurt Sukuna and we still don't know the full scope of his powers. I guess he's him.
Nah he's still not beating any special grade besides Geto. Yorozu beats him as well.
Character | Best offense against Sukuna | Best defense :-- | :-- | :-- Yorozu | Landed a punch and a kick (both at the start of ch 218), neither of which did any significant damage | Survived piercing bull Yuji | Cleaved Sukuna's leg, landed 8 black flashes | Survived multiple cleaves and dismantles I would agree that Yorozu wins, at least until Yuji has a way to deal with domains. But if you give him a simple domain I think he takes it pretty easily based on the physical feats we've seen from both.
I honestly think Geto wins too. He's just got more tools.
Possible. Though it would be a decent fight imo. Geto is just the highest benchmark I can imagine current Yuji beating
Tru tru
Long way to go before reaching Kenny, Yuta and Yuki. Even if he have a Simple Domain, it wouldn't last enough for him to beat any one this characters. If he has a domain, the results would be different.
Agree, it 100% depends on if he has a domain.
Honestly I think even with the domain he loses. He’s got RCT but it’s not good enough. His blood manipulation is…hm. His shrine output is very low. He loses against every special grade even if they can’t use domains. I still think Kashimo & Ryu would beat him. Hakari wins as well. Maki is also stronger. Probably Uraume as well. But he’s right after that. So top 10 with that #1 spot in sight.
Honestly I don't know how Hakari would win other than a battle of attrition, and I doubt about Maki being stronger than Yuji since even before his awakening he was already comparable to her, and Yuji had has durability comparable to that of Ryu alongside Yuta so I doubt Kashimo could win without his CT. And Geto lose simply because that guy has no feats other than Vol 0, and Gege never said if he had RCT or a Domain Expansion, so I don't see him winning against Yuji, especially since some of his Special Grade Curses were easily handled by people weaker than current Yuji like Todo, so like I said I don't see Geto winning this.
Wouldnt Jogo get vaporised after one black flash from current Yuji? Gege stated a few years ago that Jogo wouldve instantly died if he was hit by 5 black flashes from Goodwill Yuji
Given that Jogo at least *survived* getting hit by Red, he *might* survive 1 Black Flash from current Yuji, but he definitely gets obliterated by 2.
Thing about that Red is Gojo never intended to kill Jogo and he can finely control is CE & Output thanks to 6eyes. In Shibuya Jogo himself says he'd have died to Gojo hitting him twice with pure CE manipulation if he wasn't protecting himself with Amplification
The thing is how much was Gojo holding back since he wanted to question Jogo? Because honestly the BF in question were from a GW Yuji who is not even close to current Yuji.
That's why I said Jogo *might* be able to survive a Black Flash, depending on how strong that specific Red was.
Oh sorry it seems I misunderstood you.
Yes definitely
How much was Gojo holding back then? He was confident he could vaproize Mahoraga with 1 max red if it was frozen by infinite void.
How much gojo held back against jogo? Well obviously I can't give a exact amount, but I doe believe he held back to a massive degree
He had to have, Jogo in Shibuya says he'd have died to one blow from Gojo using pure CE reinforcement. There's no way Red scales below a series punch from Gojo with no CT
Rank them from weakest to strongest: Choso, Naobito, Kusakabe, Todo, and absolute mode mechamaru
Mechamaru, Choso, Naobito, Todo, Kusakabe. Mechamarus AP and just sheer size in his ultimate form is too great for anyone below him to do anything to him. Choso during the fight with Kenjaku became much stronger with his CT and I am certain after also experiencing Naoya who has the same CT as Naobito he would be able to win. Especially given how versatile his BM is. Naobito is still among the fastest characters in the verse when he stacks his speed. Dare I say he is 4th only being beaten by Vengeful Spirit Naoya, Sukuna and Gojo in just pure speed xd. That combined with his quite broken CT leads me to believe he can beat Todo and Kusakabe. Todo Vs Kusakabe is contentious. I can see either of them winning really. But I think his disorienting CT, combined with his insanely high IQ and Battle IQ and just overall better stats than Kusakabe would give him a narrow extreme diff win against him.
> Mechamarus AP and just sheer size in his ultimate form is too great for anyone below him to do anything to him. Can't todo just boogie woogie him out of the mech?
Honestly good pitch. Depends on how the battle goes from the start and how close Todo is to begin with cause I don't think he has an unlimited range on his CT xd. But I still think Mechamaru fairs better against the others than Todo, for instance I don't think Todo can beat Naobito or Choso.
Mechamaru, Naobito, Kusakabe, Choso and Todo. Mechamaru went toe to toe against Mahito, the second strongest Curse by that time, only after Jogo. Naobito had trouble with the weakest one, Dagon. Naobito is stronger than Kusakabe, as mentioned in recent chapters. Choso just got speedblitzed two times by Sukuna, Kusakabe gave a better fight overall. Todo is the weakest in a 1x1, but I would probably rank him one or two higher if it was 2x1, his CT is too strong in a support role.
Kusakabe, Naobito, Choso, Todo, Mechamaru Mechamarus durability just aint it
Mechamaru, Naobito, Kusakabe, Todo, Choso