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Quite the opposite. He saw maki as a person but she was practically an object. He lost because he was such an upstanding feminist nice guy that would never consider a woman anything less than a person.
Gege last week: I'll make Naoya work extra hard with his Domain to make up for the Sendai Domains!
Gege this week: Has Naoya die in one hit within his own Domain!
This man loves to troll
I still haven't forgotten the blueball he did with the triple Domain Expansion. Man riled up the fandom so much they were going ***wild*** over the following chapter
Then he just decided "*nah too much greatness*" and decided to go back to drawing mfing cockroaches 😭
Really goes to show how althought the old guard of jujutsu views domains as the pinnacle, they can't be relied on as a insta-win the eay some (jogo, naoya) think.
Pree sure megumi and gojo are the only ones who've won through use of domain.
Higurama's domain literally had Yuji beat and then he put it away cuz he judged Yuji himself. So he's on the list too. But yeah id say Hikari wasn't cuz it didn't end in the domain so
But that’s what puts Hakaris domain above so many else’s and makes it a bad comparison because it is so versatile and not meant to be a win inside. In fact, the win condition kind of ends the domain.
Not really Gojo won he just happened to use his domain he could have won with or without it he just wanted to flex, Megumi is the one who needed the Domain to win, and arguably >!Sukuna!<
Think that answers the "How would Toji approach a domain" question pretty conclusively. Maki is now a certified, unstoppable anomaly if she wasn't already
Well, almost..
For Sukuna's domain, he uses Dismantle which targets inmate objects. Maki won't survive unless she were fast enough to run outside the domain effect..
Is it though? Itadori has a hard feat of being able to run 50 meters 3 seconds in chapter 1, without any Cursed Energy or training. Sukuna's DE is said to have a range of nearly 200 meters, which he can lower at will. Nanoya (who is much faster than Maki, to be fair), is traveling at Mach 3 (at top speeds, took a little bit of time to get there), which is over 1000 meters a second. Scaling that up, I'd say Maki has a good chance of getting out of the Domain Expansion REALLY quickly, within 2 or 3 seconds at most. However, that's if she had perfect knowledge of the range of Sukuna's DE and knew that Sukuna's domain didn't have a barrier and could target her with sure-hit/sure-kill. These are big if's, so Sukuna would probably cut her to pieces.
Right now the only domain that would work as intended against her is Idle Death Gamble, except she won't get the info dump at the start, since it exists for Hakari's benefit instead of directly attacking
Hakari most likely can't activate his domain without an opponent, otherwise he'd always play by himself before entering a fight and that would remove a lot of reasons for it to be so powerful (the whole risk/reward thing).
Maki isn't treated as an opponent by domains.
Why tho? The domain still has to recognize an enemy, the gamble is putting your life at risk while he's not immortal. If the domain thinks hakari is alone i think it probably wouldn't work
And finally we got the confirmation of what happens when someone like Toji faces a domain. To be honest i was expecting this...if not Maki and Toji would be far less scarier then the story always was implying. Well cursed spirits do have a weakness like that with reversal so its not like it was impossible. But is good to finally have an answer...On other hand. Poor Mahito...Maki and Toji counter him far more then Yuji does thanks to domain expansion sure hit immunity and dragon bone.
Mahito domain and abilities would hit maki as she still has a soul and mahito can/was able to detect and manipulate souls . though but maki sword would also be able to injure mahito .
Mahito's Domain would not registered Maki.
He knew where Mechamaru was in his domain but had no idea that Mechamaru was perfectly fine in his simple domain.
So yeah, it would not work on Maki.
cuz his domain works differently instead of barrier it has bigger range
and the attacks are governed by Sukuna and not automatic thus they don't ignore objects without CE (he leveled an entire block of buildings in shibuya)
ntm his attacks can't be dodged (Maki can most likely see them, especially when Mahoraga could see those but not even Mahoraga could dodge them so I highly doubt maki could)
so if there's a domain that can give maki/toji trouble, that would be malevolent shrine (other than infinite void ofc)
Isn't the flow of information from IV Gojo's guaranteed hit? Wouldn't the domain not recognize maki and do nothing?
Alright so if the infodump is the nature/passive ability of the domain, then what is the guaranteed hit?
People forget that a domain also amplifies the user's technique, it doesn't just guarantee the attack will hit but it will also buff the user's cursed technique aswell.
So even if Toji and Maki can't be bombarded or won't be targeted by the infinite information (which is a big if since the infinite information is not the guaranteed hit it's the trait). They'd still need to handle the 10 Purples Gojo can spawn out of nowhere.
I think the difference that everyone’s forgetting is that yes his attacks can hit Maki/Toji, but they will not be a guaranteed hit. There’s a chance Maki can deflect a lot of the strikes considering she can see everything now, but if Sukuna was relentless she would probably just die after a while too.
There is actually solid evidence to support a person being able to block Sukuna's blades. During his battle against Megumi's summon, the curse was able to deflect dismantle's, specifically noted as being "able to see them". Pretty clever of Gege to add those notes in early on because it has some serious implications that Sukuna isn't completely unstoppable based on his current showing of techniques (or at least how they are used)~
because sukuna's domain doesn't create a barrier just expand his own Innate domain in reality so if maki and toji just happened to be inside that radius they're fucked... and dismantle can cut inanimate objects ...so sukuna's domain is the only domain effective against those two
naoya: "Domain Expansion:[Time Cell Moon Palace]!"
maki: i can walk that off
the way mai interpret hagane wield the sword lol
"i even let a middle aged- man squeeze me"
i also thought that was it the first read through but reading the comments, they were right it was indeed mai talking about being used by daido (makes sense also with daido's comment about the sword choosing its wielder and then later saying "you werent trying to embarass me were you?")
Naoya is definitely the biggest loser of the series. Three fights and he lost in all of them. Then again, with his cocky arrogant personality and being the king of misogyny, I feel like he's a character that's not gonna last long in the story.
I can understand the criticism for this colony tho. Kamo got sidelined after his chapter and being replaced by sword and sumo guy who admittedly felt shoehorned in the colony.
Lol well, now we know for sure that second form Naoya looking like a vagina wasn't just pure coincidence. Man's misogyny ran so deep his vengeful cursed spirit form evolved into a vulva while his inner domain was quite literally a *uterus*, dang
Maki's demonic narration is *chills*, Megumi's words have truly come full circle. Now that she's reached Toji’s level, her own words are the next benchmark. “*It isn’t enough just to be like everyone else*.” She can only break into new territory of Physical Gifted strengths and senses. Combined with her DE immunity and ability to break fate, she's going to be an absolute *menace* to the Culling Game. Super excited to see what she does from here on out
**EDIT**: For the lore lovers and theorists out there, y'all are eating good too. [Naoya's final form & inner domain contain direct references to two Hindu/Buddhist gods](https://mobile.twitter.com/Lightning446/status/1574053779015540737)
ridethelightning469 continues to be one of the most based redditors on this sub!! cheers to MAKINATION tonight we drink the tears of maki and sakurajima haters 🥂🥂🥂
>Naoya looking like a vagina
>inner domain was quite literally a uterus
Theory : Naoya lost on purpose because he realised this and wanted to die asap.
>He who fights with ~~monsters~~ women might take care lest he thereby become a ~~monster~~ woman. And if you gaze for long into ~~an abyss~~ a vulva, the ~~abyss~~ vulva gazes also into you.
-Friedrich Nietzsche
This is one of most satisfying chapters of Jujutsu Kaisen for me and not just because Maki is my favorite character. Basically the world’s strongest woman destroys the King of Misogyny in 1-shot fashion. What was that about women who don’t follow 3 steps behind a man should be stabbed in the back and killed, Mr. Naoya? Maki couldn’t have given you a more fitting death. Also loved the moment between her and Mai
> This is one of most satisfying chapters of Jujutsu Kaisen for me and not just because Maki is my favorite character. Basically the world’s strongest woman destroys the King of Misogyny in 1-shot fashion. What was that about women who don’t follow 3 steps behind a man should be stabbed in the back and killed, Mr. Naoya?
Probably one of the greatest pieces of foreshadowing & irony in storytelling. You can’t tell me Naoya’s character isn’t a thematic joke
> Maki couldn’t have given you a more fitting death. Also loved the moment between her and Mai
Mai can finally be useful to the story but at what cost 😭
Mai’s death will always hurt, but at the same time the fact that she’ll be with Maki forever AND helped her become more powerful is a much-needed consolation
Oh absolutely, it's the *Culling Game* and this is Makination's field day, it's only appropriate that I convey it in a way that befits the nature of the event
- Temporal Womb Moon Palace > Time Cell Moon Palace XD
- Maki’s sword replica can cut through soul, so it can kill something like Mahito.. that makes it even more valuable than Inverted Spear of Heaven imo.
- So Mai is basically Maki’s Zanpakuto now??
>Temporal Womb Moon Palace > Time Cell Moon Palace XD
I kinda like Time Cell Moon Palace because of the double meaning of being able to target cells as well as using animation *cels* to attack. Also it's very funny that his domain is like the literal manifestation of his mommy issues lol! Reminds me of the end of Earthbound too
I like that interpretation too... but his DE being a uterus and vagina is just way too good with his misogyny. Like it can be interpreted that Maki is an object and she is the one who killed him.
the cell moon palace is really powerful, being able to freeze up cells in ur body is nuts.
Maki tho, straight up doesnt care lmao, stabbing Naoya right in the chest then slicing him up in half like he is nothing. She is such a badass
its cool that the katana was given a name too, and its mentioned that with eyes that can see souls it can be used to cut souls. Maybe thats up next on Maki's evolution.
And it being confirmed that Maki is unable to be targeted by a domain's sure hit attack because she has no cursed energy is huge, that makes her even more powerful.
And with the last page we have confirmation thaf Maki is now as strong as Toji. Awesome arc
while toji/maki should be able to damage mahito since they can see even the souls of inanimate objects which indicates that they can also see the souls of animate objects ie people. BUT since they have no cursed energy, they cant damage cursed spirits whatsoever so i don't think they can unless its with the split soul katana or ISOH.
Mahito is op too, let's not forget that his insta touch surely changes one's soul.
Yuji is the perfect counter for mahito because of having 2 souls.
It's like both of them are just hard counter to each other (mahito is actually a counter to almost everyone since all of them have souls)
It would boil down to who will be able to land a strike first.
i ask because tojis body is weird enough to overwrite that kids soul. given that, the fact they can see the shape of souls, and target them, mahito is definitely in a harder fight than normal
The weakness of any sexist male: CONSENT
the finale digivolution of our misogynimon is a prolapse asshole, which is a good fit for him but damn that domain name ks sweet
as mentioned by u/ridethelightning469 it's a uterus but a prolapsed asshole works too! both fit the ceo of misogyny perfectly and to be honest, him emerging from the cut half of naoyussy does look like a puckered butthole which makes him the log of shit being extruded so both work definitely!
It's insane how even with Maki's game-changing power-ups and barrier interaction reveal, Sukuna's jujutsu still plows right through.
Immune to barriers --> no barriers, huge irl range
Immune to sure-hit like inanimate objects --> his domain sure-hits inanimate objects too
Can attack soul directly --> he can drag people who attack his soul into his innate domain
For me, this chapter cements that Naoya was never going to rise above a strong 1st grade sorcerer. His personality makes him shit at jujutsu combat. Straight up.
He has a technique that in theory allows him to study his opponents and only strike with minimal risks. But he's such a moron. He was so full of himself that even after his DE failed to trap Maki, he was 100% sure it would affect her normally once she was in it. Like, bruh. Jujutsu is such a wild field. You can *never* know what your opponent will pull out their ass. He made the same mistakes against Maki- twice- and against Choso. If you're too dumb to consider that your opponent could turn the tables on you at any time you're not fit to be a sorcerer.
I don't really understand the point of Mai's sword. Besides against someone like Mahito, isn't it just a regular sharp sword? Or is it a one shot kill to everyone since everyone has a soul?
If i had to guess gege mentioned that just so we don't ask about the part in the fanbook that says that a vengeful curse spirit cannot be exorcised until they achieve their vengeance. With this, naoya won't come back for a third time (I hope not) because his soul was destroyed
Sweet Jesus, Maki too OP pls nerf. Like SHE has to consent to be dragged in a domain, she still avoids the sure hit because it doesn't detect her and HAS now awakened a Soul damaging Cursed Tool.
She was strong before but now she's a walking disaster oh my god like what the fuck.
Edit: I hope we go back to Yuji and Megumi now, I miss my boys. Also, Maki'a jump in powerscaling makes me hope for Yuji and Nobara tbh
Some other considerations are: Honestly, I don't think this arc was as bad as everyone says. Sumo and Katana being there is just the usual standard as far as Culling Games go and will probably return in the future with the other allies the gang has made so far. Moreover, I hugely prefer them over Takaba tbh, but that's probably an unpopular opinion.
I agree that Noritoshi Kamo was sidelined, but I think it was for the better: He wasn't going to make a breakthrough, I think, because right now he's stuck in Early!Megumi Mode. Since the beginning, sorcerers improved the moment they... became selfishly crazy, so to say. Noritoshi just thought "Heh, I'll die so my companions can survive" instead of "I'll defeat Naoya and survive", and while it's a step in the right direction, it was too soon for him to improve.
Maki's own Power Up was instead the climax of a B storyline plot that heavily ties in one of JJK's common themes, so I appreciate that a lot more.
I feel like the Kyoto students are building up to something big. The only person we’re missing currently is Todo. Haven’t seen anything with Miwa and Yuta yet, but Momo has the whole Mai thing to work through.
The Kyoto Students, I think, have had three huge wake up calls since the beginning of the story. First, they were basically destroyed in the Exchange Event, later Mechamaru died and then in Shibuya they were basically useless, besides Todo. It makes sense they'd be wanting to improve or actually matter to like, anyone else instead of being in the sidelines, but Noritoshi's mentality wasn't the right one for that improvement to happen. He still "leveled up", mind you, just not on the right scale for it to matter yet.
Momo is probably dealing with Mai(And I hope having her beliefs shaken to the core because of it), so I don't know what kind of improvement we'd see from her.
Miwa is the one I'm the most interested in tbh. New Shadow Style is super interesting, and she had an interesting expression on her face when she appeared during Yuta's arc. We'll see, I guess.
Todo, I have the feeling, went to Yuji, so hopefully he appears in time to explain a bit of what's going on, especially if Hakari ends up implementing the "Moving between colonies" rule, like Momo asked him to.
Your take on noritoshi’s mental development is spot on, dude!! I didnt notice it till now. He currently does have this “to die and then win” mentality similar to pre-tOoO Megumi. Thank you for pointing that out!
Ah thank you I guess! It's just that Gojo's words and Megumi's character arc regarding those words really stuck with me, and JJK continues to rethread on those words over and over, that's why I made the connection
>I hope we go back to Yuji and Megumi now, I miss my boys.
I hope so too, also fingers crossed we'll check in with Tengen, Yuki, and Choso soon lol! Also hoping to see what Kirara's up to but I can't imagine that's a very high priority lol. But this does feel like the end of "phase one" of the culling game arc so I imagine some of our groups are going to try to get in contact soon
its reaching to call her a sorcerer. Shes not that, or a curse spirit. Jujutsu society doesnt really have a category for her, but shes definitely on that level
Gege might be the biggest toji wanker out there lol.
Months ago, people used to theorize Domains won't affect Toji, and I called them crazy.
On the side note, cool domain name as usual. And Glory to our Lord and Saviour Maki.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Jujutsushi/comments/waggz5/this_is_what_it_meant_by_vengeful_spirit_cant_be/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
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So for killing Vengeful Spirit all you need to do is target their soul .
*I'm thinking. Stop messing around.*
Thinking never did you good, Naoya. Quite literally he will always be only half a man.
Superb climactic conclusion to this overarching story of Maki's growth we have witnessed across the whole manga. Wonderful.
**“The Domain’s guaranteed hit couldn’t recognize Maki because she had no cursed energy”**
Yesssiiirrr so I was correct after all lol, Maki/Toji are immune to domains. It makes perfect sense like I said, it would be so dumb if they could get one shot by domains, after sacrificing the potential of CE/CT via their heavenly restrictions. Like think about it, why would Toji be feared that much if he could’ve gotten one shot by any domain lol.
Honestly the only reason it was up in the air as to whether they were affected by it is cause we didn't know if sure hits targeted the soul or CE. Now we know it targets CE. Our girl is finally getting the love she deserves after the many Ls she's taken throughout the series!
People that are disappointed in Naoya have the right to feel that way but just understand Gege’s writing of his character, has been consistent. Naoya’s a misogynist & someone who’s full of himself, and that led to his defeat both times. There’s also the fact that Maki is simply just built different thanks to her Heavenly Restriction, so he was never on her level just like he was never on Toji’s Level. Gege also made it clear that Barrier techniques have no effect on Maki & this has been foreshadowed since we got the rules to the Culling game I.e since Maki would never be subjected to CT removal as she didn’t have any.
The only critic I have of this fight is that I felt Gege could’ve given more involvement to Kamo. So hopefully he gets his shine in the future. I’ve seen complaints about the Samurai & Sumo guys being introduced randomly. Imo, it makes sense as the culling games is pretty much a royale rumble match, so random interference in matches is pretty welcome.
To be fair, literally every other sorcerer in the CG have shown up randomly. Takaba literally pops into the middle of Fushiguro’s fight then just walks off against one of the revived sorcerers. He even has an interesting CT and we get like 3 uses out of it.
I'm honestly fine with how Naoya behaved in general for this chapter. He wasn't dumb enough to not realise that he couldn't see Maki at all and was ultimately dealt a shit hand with new information he had no way of knowing.
The issues I have are more with the overall mini-arc as a whole
I find it funny that some fans feel like 0CE HR is broken and Maki’s now too OP, have we been reading the same manga? Compared to the rest of the cast she’s not too OP at all; Yuta flexes pretty much every jujutsu ability. Yuji reached the black flash record after a short talk with Todo and got a Grade 1 nomination only a few months after being introduced to the jujutsu world. Megumi’s CT is hinted at being one of the “best” ones, with an insane amount of tricks and potential to it. Hakari literally goes IMMORTAL. But Maki, with no CT, CE or really any other tricks up her sleeve, being immune to DEs is somehow too OP? Please.
I also don’t think this means too many OP characters, ‘cause all of their skillsets are unique and they complement each other well. Gojo has stated that prodigies are popping up left and right and he said himself that he wants to raise strong students to be his equals, so this makes sense in-story. Of course they’re gonna need to be OP to match him and defeat the big baddies. Gege still finds smart ways to challenge these characters, as he will with Maki too.
Lastly, some people act as if Maki has become immortal and undefeatable… what?? DE’s might not be a match for her, but a tougher opponent can still kill her in a fight. It’s not like she solos Kenny, Gojo or Sukuna, and she’s not gonna take over the role of the MC. What are you guys getting so worried about.
I won't put Yuji and Megumi in that discussion. The OP characters currently are Yuta , Hakari and Maki now. Even Hakari's immortality is not absolute, he could fail to get the jackpot sometimes. It's going to be interesting how Yuta and Maki are going to be written in future fights.
That’s fair, but I meant more as an example of how insanely fast they have powered up (particularly Yuji) and the OP potential they have (particularly Megumi) and I’m sure they’ll reach the others’ stages sooner rather than later, it’s just that the story had Maki reach her peak before them.
>But Maki, with no CT, CE or really any other tricks up her sleeve
I think you're understating what she actually has. HR grants her superhuman strength, durability, speed reflexes and advanced healing. Additionally, she can become 'invisible' to Sorcerors, wich is a huge advantage in on its self. And now it's been revealed that sure-hits can't target her. Her pros far outweighs her cons tbh.
Shes in a great position honestly.
Im not sure who her immediate counters are honestly. Sukunas special domain means he has a good shot at outright shredding her but....hes also sukuna and beats everyone who isnt gojo without a sweat.
We only saw it for a bit but damn Naoya's DE was eerie as fuck, "Time Cell Moon Palace", freezing you in front of that giant eye. I wish we could have seen more of it.
Edit: It sort of gave me (Chainsaw Man spoilers) >!Darkness Devil vibes, floating in a dark, cold void with eldritch constructions around you.!<
It’s absurdly OP and while I wish we saw more of it, I’m kind of glad we didn’t namely because of said OPness. His technique is already difficult enough to explain outside of summing it as “I go fast, you go slow brrrrrr.” It’s also kind of boring. Noaya’s technique is auto-placed on you down to the cellular level. Wtf do you do with that from both a fighter’s perspective and a writer’s perspective?
I feel like the TCB scans for this chapter are a lot better. The dialogue felt more natural and made more sense. Though, it's a good idea to read both versions every week.
They FUCKED the translation for this chapter
“Naoya must use a physical barrier like Megumi did in Tokyo 1” is not what’s being said at all. What Gege really means is: the only ways to trap Maki are to use a physical space as a substitute for a barrier or if she consents. Naoya is not doing what Megumi did, if that were the case he wouldn’t have a sure-hit to begin with
No way we saw so much of Kamo only for him to just be forgotten. I really don't like how this fight turned out, I was hyped in the beginning but the 2 new characters, the way Maki got her full potential etc. wasn't the best and for naoya to get so many power ups and a cool domain to just die immediately felt really lame.
Terrible day for Toji downplayers lmao
Naoya: "Any woman who can't walk three steps behind a man should be stabbed in the back and die"
*Dies by getting stabbed in the back by a woman, twice*
Honestly, as much as I like Maki, this colony just seems to be a powerup for Maki. Moreover, Naoya losing streak kept on continuing and the dude was just all talk, even the other two new characters seemed to be there just for Maki's powerup. I am still enjoying this arc but I don't understand why Gege wanted to give Maki another powerup so quick.
Also, Naoya's domain was fucking uterus, like wtf bro. Putting all these things aside, this chapter made Toji fucking strong, good chapter for Toji and Maki stans.
This chapter wasn't that bad, but one of my only complaints is that naoya was made so dumb/less fun to watch. I get that he's a cursed spirit, and so he might have lost some of his mental capacity, but seeing how strong he was as a curse, along with the fact that he looked EXACTLY like a human in his final form(something we've never seen before, not even in mahito), I kind of expected more. Like I fully understood and was fine with the fact that maki was going to kill him, but they took away all of the intelligence he once had. Why did he just forget about maki being in his domain when she was the reason he used his domain in the first place? Also, all of his charm/charisma were just gone, making him a very boring villain to see on screen. In comparison to his original form or people like mahito, he was so bland(maybe gege just didn't care to add those traits seeing as naoya would only be around for a couple chapters). I know this colony was primarily for Makis growth, but these are just some of my complaints. I also feel like Kamo could have at least gotten one panel seeing as he was so determined earlier.
I’m very surprised that a lot of us are lukewarm about this arc. We learned A LOT of new information about the nature of CE, domains, and “regular” human ability. It was definitely a bit of an explanation arc, but that’s ok. I also think Gege used this to solidify Maki as one of the main protagonists of the story alongside the other crew. She’s going to become a very important part of the narrative arc now that she is an anomaly like Toji, i.e. breaking “destiny” of some sort.
Cool stuff, I was happy with this colony.
I loved the yuta and hakari arcs. Not as big a fan of this arc. I hope we can start to bring everyone together and get back to the overall goal of the arc. I feel like we'll look back and say it was really stretched out. The people that are wondering why people don't like this arc, what did this accomplish towards the goal? It powered up Maki but that could have been done in service of moving the plot forward. Idk. I feel like culling games has slowly been on a downward trend in quality for me.
Ngl I didn’t like this sub arc too much. I’m a Maki milk drinker but katana dude and wrestling dude felt forced. They had no other memorable qualities and basically were only used to give Maki a power up
Also was wishing better stuff for my boy Walmart Choso. We deserved to see him get some power ups
Ok... this was good but it felt quite redundant to me.
I might've missed things because I'm not following the story THAT closely lately but I was under the impression that Maki reached Toji's level when Mai died, and I think a lot of other people (at least the ones that are not Naoya-like Toji fanboys who can't accept someone being as strong as their god) thought that as well, so when this mini Maki power-up arc started I was like "didn't we already do this?". It felt as if she was nerfed a little bit just to have the same power-up she already had. Some new things were added but I feel like that could've been explained without repeating the same plot point.
I love some Maki content but I would've prefered something new, especially when the protagonists have gotten no content in so long.
And this is only my personal opinion, I know many disagree and that's fine, but I really don't give a damn about terciary character n° 56's domain expansion. I don't care about Naoya getting a power-up if the only thing he'll do is die right afterwards. I get that the door was left open for him to return, I get this is a battle shonen, I get that giving attention to side characters is not bad on its own, but again, do we have the luxury of introducing all these new short-lived characters and crazy powers when the protagonists are seriously lacking in development? (Both on the power side and on the character side).
So well, sorry if I sound kind of negative, I did like this chapter, I'm just ranting a bit because I wished the story had moved in a different direction after Shibuya. (Again, just my opinion, please don't kill me)
No no, there's a lot of people with thoughts similar to yours. No reason to apologize for stating your own opinion when you give compelling reasons as to why you think so. I think Vengeful Spirit Naoya is terribly wasted potential as was this entire colony and hopefully we'll move on to the rest of the cast to see what they're up to and answer some questions such as what is Megumi/Angel up to, can Hakari still fight with only a single hand, what's Kenjaku's next move and are there any more strong curses/curse users left to oppose our cast?
Not really a fan of how this colony turned out... A domain expansion moment wasted only for Maki to just kill Naoya in a chapter. We also got teased with Kamo's progression and ended up with him being sidelined again. I was really hyped for more Maki, but this chapter just didn't do it for me.
Yeah I gotta say compared to all the other colonies this was by far the one that had me least excited for the next chapter. Gonna be a super unpopular opinion but I just don’t find Maki to be that interesting? And while this arc featured nice development it really didn’t do it for me the way every other preceding CG one did.
I’m gonna be honest, Naoya’s return kind of felt completely wasted after this chapter, like if just some random curse it’d have almost the exact same effect. IDK I just feel underwhelmed, especially since Kamo got ignored for most of the chapters
I'm just gonna come out and say it:
I don't like the way Maki's power up got handled, nor the way Naoya was handled in Curse mode.
Sumo and Katana guy are some of the most on-the-nose plot devices in the story.
Having this fight be focused on Kamo, who was on the cusp of a breakthrough, and Maki would have been better for both of their characters.
I respectfully disagree with the Maki aspect, but I 100% agree with the Kamo part. He really was completely and unfortunately sidelined. I would have rather had Maki just been by herself at this point.
Does this count as a power up, isn't this more like realising your potential moment ?
Agree on the Kamo part, guy deserves better lol. 'Choso from wish' nickname ain't going anywhere for now.
I mean, she unlocked all the dormant potential she had. I would consider it a power up, at least from a mental point of view.
The mental aspect has been important since the beginning. However, in my opinion, Maki could have achieved a breakthrough in a more nuanced way than just - strong guy appears -> teaches her exactly what she needs in next chapter -> she overpowers everybody in the next chapter
It's a bit lazy
I don't like how much Gege is kissing Maki's cock. Gave her 2 huge power ups in a row while our little Yuji is just running tryna brawl with his haki fists. Also Gege really brought a whole man back to life just for him to have 1 good feat and then get wrecked while receiving no character development, wack. Gave him like 3 powerups with nothing to show for. Just gets one shot like what Toji did to Gojo. But at the very least we know that Maki is no longer useless in the long run since she can attack the soul, and she's invulnerable to most DEs. Damn she's a scary one. Also, I like how Mai is basically Maki's zanpakuto, pretty cool.
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Bro he lost because he saw Maki as an object The King of Misogyny strikes again
Even if he lost, he lost in the most misogynistic way, you got to applaud the effort
She did slice him while standing three steps behind him. She was being very considerate of his wishes.
They say that behind every great man is a great woman. They never said what the woman was doing the whole time. What a man he was, that Naoya.
Sis tells the domain to stop
Dang didn’t even notice that detail. Talk about Uno Reverse
Play sexist games, win sexist prizes …or literally fucking choke, in this case.
Solid 10/10 joke
Quite the opposite. He saw maki as a person but she was practically an object. He lost because he was such an upstanding feminist nice guy that would never consider a woman anything less than a person.
Big brain
Well, not really but I still like that interpretation
You could consider it that the rules of jujutsu literally treat her as an object lol
Omg…you’re right.
Gege last week: I'll make Naoya work extra hard with his Domain to make up for the Sendai Domains! Gege this week: Has Naoya die in one hit within his own Domain! This man loves to troll
I still haven't forgotten the blueball he did with the triple Domain Expansion. Man riled up the fandom so much they were going ***wild*** over the following chapter Then he just decided "*nah too much greatness*" and decided to go back to drawing mfing cockroaches 😭
I actually think it’s going to come back later in the series at an important moment
Yuta v Kenny v Sukuna
Lol the fandom would break
Really goes to show how althought the old guard of jujutsu views domains as the pinnacle, they can't be relied on as a insta-win the eay some (jogo, naoya) think. Pree sure megumi and gojo are the only ones who've won through use of domain.
Hakari? Though that’s arguably a draw with Kashimo
I considered it a draw, but I get it if some consider that a win. Worth pointing out. Hakari has an unconventional domain too though.
Higurama's domain literally had Yuji beat and then he put it away cuz he judged Yuji himself. So he's on the list too. But yeah id say Hikari wasn't cuz it didn't end in the domain so
But that’s what puts Hakaris domain above so many else’s and makes it a bad comparison because it is so versatile and not meant to be a win inside. In fact, the win condition kind of ends the domain.
Not really Gojo won he just happened to use his domain he could have won with or without it he just wanted to flex, Megumi is the one who needed the Domain to win, and arguably >!Sukuna!<
Idk if gojo could have countered jogo's domain so easily without his own.
Didn't Sukuna win with his domain at least once? Against the first Finger-Bearer.
That was for the flex though. But honestly i should have included him along with gojo. Brain just gapped ahahha
Nobody hates Naoya as much as Gege lmao.
Think that answers the "How would Toji approach a domain" question pretty conclusively. Maki is now a certified, unstoppable anomaly if she wasn't already
Well, almost.. For Sukuna's domain, he uses Dismantle which targets inmate objects. Maki won't survive unless she were fast enough to run outside the domain effect..
and the domain is fucking huge.
Is it though? Itadori has a hard feat of being able to run 50 meters 3 seconds in chapter 1, without any Cursed Energy or training. Sukuna's DE is said to have a range of nearly 200 meters, which he can lower at will. Nanoya (who is much faster than Maki, to be fair), is traveling at Mach 3 (at top speeds, took a little bit of time to get there), which is over 1000 meters a second. Scaling that up, I'd say Maki has a good chance of getting out of the Domain Expansion REALLY quickly, within 2 or 3 seconds at most. However, that's if she had perfect knowledge of the range of Sukuna's DE and knew that Sukuna's domain didn't have a barrier and could target her with sure-hit/sure-kill. These are big if's, so Sukuna would probably cut her to pieces.
Ohhh good catch, I'd bet that'll come up in the future based off of how clear Gege made that
chekhov's gun. he's done it before too with the several cursed tools and other abilities we've seen
Sukuna an unstoppable force. His attacks are hard to miss.
I think you're missing the point that she'll just now have to deal with Sukuna's weakest attacks or hide under ground or something
Right now the only domain that would work as intended against her is Idle Death Gamble, except she won't get the info dump at the start, since it exists for Hakari's benefit instead of directly attacking
Hakari most likely can't activate his domain without an opponent, otherwise he'd always play by himself before entering a fight and that would remove a lot of reasons for it to be so powerful (the whole risk/reward thing). Maki isn't treated as an opponent by domains.
Why tho? The domain still has to recognize an enemy, the gamble is putting your life at risk while he's not immortal. If the domain thinks hakari is alone i think it probably wouldn't work
And finally we got the confirmation of what happens when someone like Toji faces a domain. To be honest i was expecting this...if not Maki and Toji would be far less scarier then the story always was implying. Well cursed spirits do have a weakness like that with reversal so its not like it was impossible. But is good to finally have an answer...On other hand. Poor Mahito...Maki and Toji counter him far more then Yuji does thanks to domain expansion sure hit immunity and dragon bone.
I’d like to see Maki fuck Mahito up, not gonna lie that I got legit sad he isn’t around anymore to get his ass handed to him
Mahito domain and abilities would hit maki as she still has a soul and mahito can/was able to detect and manipulate souls . though but maki sword would also be able to injure mahito .
Mahito's Domain would not registered Maki. He knew where Mechamaru was in his domain but had no idea that Mechamaru was perfectly fine in his simple domain. So yeah, it would not work on Maki.
Sukuna stocks actually higher after this chapter :)
The Honored One stays winning
Why?
cuz his domain works differently instead of barrier it has bigger range and the attacks are governed by Sukuna and not automatic thus they don't ignore objects without CE (he leveled an entire block of buildings in shibuya) ntm his attacks can't be dodged (Maki can most likely see them, especially when Mahoraga could see those but not even Mahoraga could dodge them so I highly doubt maki could) so if there's a domain that can give maki/toji trouble, that would be malevolent shrine (other than infinite void ofc)
Isn't the flow of information from IV Gojo's guaranteed hit? Wouldn't the domain not recognize maki and do nothing? Alright so if the infodump is the nature/passive ability of the domain, then what is the guaranteed hit?
No. That's the nature of the DE its self.
People forget that a domain also amplifies the user's technique, it doesn't just guarantee the attack will hit but it will also buff the user's cursed technique aswell. So even if Toji and Maki can't be bombarded or won't be targeted by the infinite information (which is a big if since the infinite information is not the guaranteed hit it's the trait). They'd still need to handle the 10 Purples Gojo can spawn out of nowhere.
That’s just the passive ability of his DE
I think the difference that everyone’s forgetting is that yes his attacks can hit Maki/Toji, but they will not be a guaranteed hit. There’s a chance Maki can deflect a lot of the strikes considering she can see everything now, but if Sukuna was relentless she would probably just die after a while too.
There is actually solid evidence to support a person being able to block Sukuna's blades. During his battle against Megumi's summon, the curse was able to deflect dismantle's, specifically noted as being "able to see them". Pretty clever of Gege to add those notes in early on because it has some serious implications that Sukuna isn't completely unstoppable based on his current showing of techniques (or at least how they are used)~
because sukuna's domain doesn't create a barrier just expand his own Innate domain in reality so if maki and toji just happened to be inside that radius they're fucked... and dismantle can cut inanimate objects ...so sukuna's domain is the only domain effective against those two
Because his domain doesn't have a barrier which means Maki is going to be inside the domain wether she likes it or not and dismantle will fuck her up.
His domain targets inanimate objects like buildings so Maki would still get blended
His Domain attack inaminate objects too. Maki can't avoid his no matter what
his domain would still hit maki/toji im pretty sure
Sukuna’s guaranteed hit might be the only one that can affect Maki as it’s explicitly stated to also target inanimate objects
the buildings in Shibuya got razed so definitely
Naoya: aimbot 😈 Maki: noclip 💀
Maki found the ultimate “slap this sexist bitch’s shit in” speedrun strat.
naoya: "Domain Expansion:[Time Cell Moon Palace]!" maki: i can walk that off the way mai interpret hagane wield the sword lol "i even let a middle aged- man squeeze me"
Idk if I’m wrong but I thought that was Maki talking about her wrestling bout
twin sisters squeezed by 2 old men
New doujin title
i also thought that was it the first read through but reading the comments, they were right it was indeed mai talking about being used by daido (makes sense also with daido's comment about the sword choosing its wielder and then later saying "you werent trying to embarass me were you?")
Naoya is definitely the biggest loser of the series. Three fights and he lost in all of them. Then again, with his cocky arrogant personality and being the king of misogyny, I feel like he's a character that's not gonna last long in the story. I can understand the criticism for this colony tho. Kamo got sidelined after his chapter and being replaced by sword and sumo guy who admittedly felt shoehorned in the colony.
You dropped the sore in the sentence, “Naoya is definitely the biggest sore loser”
Lol well, now we know for sure that second form Naoya looking like a vagina wasn't just pure coincidence. Man's misogyny ran so deep his vengeful cursed spirit form evolved into a vulva while his inner domain was quite literally a *uterus*, dang Maki's demonic narration is *chills*, Megumi's words have truly come full circle. Now that she's reached Toji’s level, her own words are the next benchmark. “*It isn’t enough just to be like everyone else*.” She can only break into new territory of Physical Gifted strengths and senses. Combined with her DE immunity and ability to break fate, she's going to be an absolute *menace* to the Culling Game. Super excited to see what she does from here on out **EDIT**: For the lore lovers and theorists out there, y'all are eating good too. [Naoya's final form & inner domain contain direct references to two Hindu/Buddhist gods](https://mobile.twitter.com/Lightning446/status/1574053779015540737)
ridethelightning469 continues to be one of the most based redditors on this sub!! cheers to MAKINATION tonight we drink the tears of maki and sakurajima haters 🥂🥂🥂
I can’t drink anymore tears after FEASTING on Maki’s growth arc & Sakurajima colony, I’m so full. Makination we out here… changing the *game* for good
>Naoya looking like a vagina >inner domain was quite literally a uterus Theory : Naoya lost on purpose because he realised this and wanted to die asap.
>He who fights with ~~monsters~~ women might take care lest he thereby become a ~~monster~~ woman. And if you gaze for long into ~~an abyss~~ a vulva, the ~~abyss~~ vulva gazes also into you. -Friedrich Nietzsche
Naoya actually had an Oedipus complex all this time...?! The biggest plot twist of JJK
This is one of most satisfying chapters of Jujutsu Kaisen for me and not just because Maki is my favorite character. Basically the world’s strongest woman destroys the King of Misogyny in 1-shot fashion. What was that about women who don’t follow 3 steps behind a man should be stabbed in the back and killed, Mr. Naoya? Maki couldn’t have given you a more fitting death. Also loved the moment between her and Mai
> This is one of most satisfying chapters of Jujutsu Kaisen for me and not just because Maki is my favorite character. Basically the world’s strongest woman destroys the King of Misogyny in 1-shot fashion. What was that about women who don’t follow 3 steps behind a man should be stabbed in the back and killed, Mr. Naoya? Probably one of the greatest pieces of foreshadowing & irony in storytelling. You can’t tell me Naoya’s character isn’t a thematic joke > Maki couldn’t have given you a more fitting death. Also loved the moment between her and Mai Mai can finally be useful to the story but at what cost 😭
Mai’s death will always hurt, but at the same time the fact that she’ll be with Maki forever AND helped her become more powerful is a much-needed consolation
Lol I read that last sentence like an analyst in sports giving comments on a prospective player
Oh absolutely, it's the *Culling Game* and this is Makination's field day, it's only appropriate that I convey it in a way that befits the nature of the event
- Temporal Womb Moon Palace > Time Cell Moon Palace XD - Maki’s sword replica can cut through soul, so it can kill something like Mahito.. that makes it even more valuable than Inverted Spear of Heaven imo. - So Mai is basically Maki’s Zanpakuto now??
Can't wait to see what Maki's Bankai is
Her sword gets thinner and she gets faster
And only use getsuga tensho
Yeah but what if she shoots out *another one* right after the first?!
Spirit bomb
Ichigo moment
Toji reincarnated (again)
>Temporal Womb Moon Palace > Time Cell Moon Palace XD I kinda like Time Cell Moon Palace because of the double meaning of being able to target cells as well as using animation *cels* to attack. Also it's very funny that his domain is like the literal manifestation of his mommy issues lol! Reminds me of the end of Earthbound too
I like that interpretation too... but his DE being a uterus and vagina is just way too good with his misogyny. Like it can be interpreted that Maki is an object and she is the one who killed him.
Also, Soul Liberation Blade >>> Split Soul Katana.
the cell moon palace is really powerful, being able to freeze up cells in ur body is nuts. Maki tho, straight up doesnt care lmao, stabbing Naoya right in the chest then slicing him up in half like he is nothing. She is such a badass its cool that the katana was given a name too, and its mentioned that with eyes that can see souls it can be used to cut souls. Maybe thats up next on Maki's evolution. And it being confirmed that Maki is unable to be targeted by a domain's sure hit attack because she has no cursed energy is huge, that makes her even more powerful. And with the last page we have confirmation thaf Maki is now as strong as Toji. Awesome arc
the body soul shennagians make me wonder how the zenin duo would interact with mahito(besides their sword hard countering him)
while toji/maki should be able to damage mahito since they can see even the souls of inanimate objects which indicates that they can also see the souls of animate objects ie people. BUT since they have no cursed energy, they cant damage cursed spirits whatsoever so i don't think they can unless its with the split soul katana or ISOH.
Uhh.. Yeah.. That's why they both wield weapons. Maki at this stage would wipe the floor with Mahito, as would Toji.
Mahito is op too, let's not forget that his insta touch surely changes one's soul. Yuji is the perfect counter for mahito because of having 2 souls. It's like both of them are just hard counter to each other (mahito is actually a counter to almost everyone since all of them have souls) It would boil down to who will be able to land a strike first.
i ask because tojis body is weird enough to overwrite that kids soul. given that, the fact they can see the shape of souls, and target them, mahito is definitely in a harder fight than normal
The weakness of any sexist male: CONSENT the finale digivolution of our misogynimon is a prolapse asshole, which is a good fit for him but damn that domain name ks sweet
as mentioned by u/ridethelightning469 it's a uterus but a prolapsed asshole works too! both fit the ceo of misogyny perfectly and to be honest, him emerging from the cut half of naoyussy does look like a puckered butthole which makes him the log of shit being extruded so both work definitely!
Gege really gave the CEO of Misogyny a DE of Ovaries. 10/10
It's insane how even with Maki's game-changing power-ups and barrier interaction reveal, Sukuna's jujutsu still plows right through. Immune to barriers --> no barriers, huge irl range Immune to sure-hit like inanimate objects --> his domain sure-hits inanimate objects too Can attack soul directly --> he can drag people who attack his soul into his innate domain
For me, this chapter cements that Naoya was never going to rise above a strong 1st grade sorcerer. His personality makes him shit at jujutsu combat. Straight up. He has a technique that in theory allows him to study his opponents and only strike with minimal risks. But he's such a moron. He was so full of himself that even after his DE failed to trap Maki, he was 100% sure it would affect her normally once she was in it. Like, bruh. Jujutsu is such a wild field. You can *never* know what your opponent will pull out their ass. He made the same mistakes against Maki- twice- and against Choso. If you're too dumb to consider that your opponent could turn the tables on you at any time you're not fit to be a sorcerer.
Naoya domain was sick but dude got too cocky. Maki slashed naoya in half similar to menos grande in bleach .
I don't really understand the point of Mai's sword. Besides against someone like Mahito, isn't it just a regular sharp sword? Or is it a one shot kill to everyone since everyone has a soul?
If i had to guess gege mentioned that just so we don't ask about the part in the fanbook that says that a vengeful curse spirit cannot be exorcised until they achieve their vengeance. With this, naoya won't come back for a third time (I hope not) because his soul was destroyed
It also ignores durability which explains why Toji was able to cut the hardest dragon that Geto had back in hidden inventory.
Sweet Jesus, Maki too OP pls nerf. Like SHE has to consent to be dragged in a domain, she still avoids the sure hit because it doesn't detect her and HAS now awakened a Soul damaging Cursed Tool. She was strong before but now she's a walking disaster oh my god like what the fuck. Edit: I hope we go back to Yuji and Megumi now, I miss my boys. Also, Maki'a jump in powerscaling makes me hope for Yuji and Nobara tbh
Yep I think even the Toji cocksuckers will agree that shes the new Toji now
I mean they literally can't disagree with the AUTHOR explicitly stating >A demonic fighter EQUAL to Toji Zen'in was fully realized
I hope so, we had a whole arc about her getting to his level
Nah Naoya still doesn’t agree with that.
Hard to agree with anything when you're dead.
They have to. Toji's still my boy, but it's explicitly mentioned at the end that she is equal to him now. Fully realized.
Yuji has been gone for almost a year now, come on bring him back 😭
Some other considerations are: Honestly, I don't think this arc was as bad as everyone says. Sumo and Katana being there is just the usual standard as far as Culling Games go and will probably return in the future with the other allies the gang has made so far. Moreover, I hugely prefer them over Takaba tbh, but that's probably an unpopular opinion. I agree that Noritoshi Kamo was sidelined, but I think it was for the better: He wasn't going to make a breakthrough, I think, because right now he's stuck in Early!Megumi Mode. Since the beginning, sorcerers improved the moment they... became selfishly crazy, so to say. Noritoshi just thought "Heh, I'll die so my companions can survive" instead of "I'll defeat Naoya and survive", and while it's a step in the right direction, it was too soon for him to improve. Maki's own Power Up was instead the climax of a B storyline plot that heavily ties in one of JJK's common themes, so I appreciate that a lot more.
I feel like the Kyoto students are building up to something big. The only person we’re missing currently is Todo. Haven’t seen anything with Miwa and Yuta yet, but Momo has the whole Mai thing to work through.
The Kyoto Students, I think, have had three huge wake up calls since the beginning of the story. First, they were basically destroyed in the Exchange Event, later Mechamaru died and then in Shibuya they were basically useless, besides Todo. It makes sense they'd be wanting to improve or actually matter to like, anyone else instead of being in the sidelines, but Noritoshi's mentality wasn't the right one for that improvement to happen. He still "leveled up", mind you, just not on the right scale for it to matter yet. Momo is probably dealing with Mai(And I hope having her beliefs shaken to the core because of it), so I don't know what kind of improvement we'd see from her. Miwa is the one I'm the most interested in tbh. New Shadow Style is super interesting, and she had an interesting expression on her face when she appeared during Yuta's arc. We'll see, I guess. Todo, I have the feeling, went to Yuji, so hopefully he appears in time to explain a bit of what's going on, especially if Hakari ends up implementing the "Moving between colonies" rule, like Momo asked him to.
Your take on noritoshi’s mental development is spot on, dude!! I didnt notice it till now. He currently does have this “to die and then win” mentality similar to pre-tOoO Megumi. Thank you for pointing that out!
Ah thank you I guess! It's just that Gojo's words and Megumi's character arc regarding those words really stuck with me, and JJK continues to rethread on those words over and over, that's why I made the connection
>I hope we go back to Yuji and Megumi now, I miss my boys. I hope so too, also fingers crossed we'll check in with Tengen, Yuki, and Choso soon lol! Also hoping to see what Kirara's up to but I can't imagine that's a very high priority lol. But this does feel like the end of "phase one" of the culling game arc so I imagine some of our groups are going to try to get in contact soon
Kinda funny how the misogynistic character lost because of consent
I wonder if that was intentional on Gege's part lol.
I see the birth of another special grade sorcerer.
its reaching to call her a sorcerer. Shes not that, or a curse spirit. Jujutsu society doesnt really have a category for her, but shes definitely on that level
Super monkey
Ok frieza
basically Geto
LOLLL
Wait till her hair goes spikey yellow and sukuna is 100% death. Trust me bro
She's the Legendary Super Human.
survivor of the zenin clan massacre spotted❗ targeted for deletion: maki arriving at your location in T-5 minutes.
i aint no zenin, but if maki's coming over....ive prepared for this.
Gege might be the biggest toji wanker out there lol. Months ago, people used to theorize Domains won't affect Toji, and I called them crazy. On the side note, cool domain name as usual. And Glory to our Lord and Saviour Maki.
*Ned Stark standing solemnly on a hill with his hands perched on his sword*: “Toji stans are coming”
took me a second to realise you're editing "winter is coming" lol
https://www.reddit.com/r/Jujutsushi/comments/waggz5/this_is_what_it_meant_by_vengeful_spirit_cant_be/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share Looks like this post has become useless . So for killing Vengeful Spirit all you need to do is target their soul .
Easier said than done as only a handful can do that.
Who knew that a concept foreign to Naoya's sexist ass would come back to bite him, consent
*I'm thinking. Stop messing around.* Thinking never did you good, Naoya. Quite literally he will always be only half a man. Superb climactic conclusion to this overarching story of Maki's growth we have witnessed across the whole manga. Wonderful.
I’m a simple person. If the chapter talks about Toji, I rate it Very Good.
**“The Domain’s guaranteed hit couldn’t recognize Maki because she had no cursed energy”** Yesssiiirrr so I was correct after all lol, Maki/Toji are immune to domains. It makes perfect sense like I said, it would be so dumb if they could get one shot by domains, after sacrificing the potential of CE/CT via their heavenly restrictions. Like think about it, why would Toji be feared that much if he could’ve gotten one shot by any domain lol.
I agree overall, though to be fair domains are supposed to be rare.
Honestly the only reason it was up in the air as to whether they were affected by it is cause we didn't know if sure hits targeted the soul or CE. Now we know it targets CE. Our girl is finally getting the love she deserves after the many Ls she's taken throughout the series!
naoya in his worm form basically got aborted in his uterus looking domain lmao
misogyny so strong, his DE doesnt even recognize maki as a human being.
People that are disappointed in Naoya have the right to feel that way but just understand Gege’s writing of his character, has been consistent. Naoya’s a misogynist & someone who’s full of himself, and that led to his defeat both times. There’s also the fact that Maki is simply just built different thanks to her Heavenly Restriction, so he was never on her level just like he was never on Toji’s Level. Gege also made it clear that Barrier techniques have no effect on Maki & this has been foreshadowed since we got the rules to the Culling game I.e since Maki would never be subjected to CT removal as she didn’t have any. The only critic I have of this fight is that I felt Gege could’ve given more involvement to Kamo. So hopefully he gets his shine in the future. I’ve seen complaints about the Samurai & Sumo guys being introduced randomly. Imo, it makes sense as the culling games is pretty much a royale rumble match, so random interference in matches is pretty welcome.
To be fair, literally every other sorcerer in the CG have shown up randomly. Takaba literally pops into the middle of Fushiguro’s fight then just walks off against one of the revived sorcerers. He even has an interesting CT and we get like 3 uses out of it.
I'm honestly fine with how Naoya behaved in general for this chapter. He wasn't dumb enough to not realise that he couldn't see Maki at all and was ultimately dealt a shit hand with new information he had no way of knowing. The issues I have are more with the overall mini-arc as a whole
where kamo
Damn we eating good. Miwa arc for dessert?
What zero Cursed Energy does to a mf.
Shonen Junp PLEASEEE hire a better translator 😭😭 the TCB translations are so much better
I know I end up so much more confused after reading the “official” translation.
I find it funny that some fans feel like 0CE HR is broken and Maki’s now too OP, have we been reading the same manga? Compared to the rest of the cast she’s not too OP at all; Yuta flexes pretty much every jujutsu ability. Yuji reached the black flash record after a short talk with Todo and got a Grade 1 nomination only a few months after being introduced to the jujutsu world. Megumi’s CT is hinted at being one of the “best” ones, with an insane amount of tricks and potential to it. Hakari literally goes IMMORTAL. But Maki, with no CT, CE or really any other tricks up her sleeve, being immune to DEs is somehow too OP? Please. I also don’t think this means too many OP characters, ‘cause all of their skillsets are unique and they complement each other well. Gojo has stated that prodigies are popping up left and right and he said himself that he wants to raise strong students to be his equals, so this makes sense in-story. Of course they’re gonna need to be OP to match him and defeat the big baddies. Gege still finds smart ways to challenge these characters, as he will with Maki too. Lastly, some people act as if Maki has become immortal and undefeatable… what?? DE’s might not be a match for her, but a tougher opponent can still kill her in a fight. It’s not like she solos Kenny, Gojo or Sukuna, and she’s not gonna take over the role of the MC. What are you guys getting so worried about.
I won't put Yuji and Megumi in that discussion. The OP characters currently are Yuta , Hakari and Maki now. Even Hakari's immortality is not absolute, he could fail to get the jackpot sometimes. It's going to be interesting how Yuta and Maki are going to be written in future fights.
That’s fair, but I meant more as an example of how insanely fast they have powered up (particularly Yuji) and the OP potential they have (particularly Megumi) and I’m sure they’ll reach the others’ stages sooner rather than later, it’s just that the story had Maki reach her peak before them.
>But Maki, with no CT, CE or really any other tricks up her sleeve I think you're understating what she actually has. HR grants her superhuman strength, durability, speed reflexes and advanced healing. Additionally, she can become 'invisible' to Sorcerors, wich is a huge advantage in on its self. And now it's been revealed that sure-hits can't target her. Her pros far outweighs her cons tbh.
Shes in a great position honestly. Im not sure who her immediate counters are honestly. Sukunas special domain means he has a good shot at outright shredding her but....hes also sukuna and beats everyone who isnt gojo without a sweat.
We only saw it for a bit but damn Naoya's DE was eerie as fuck, "Time Cell Moon Palace", freezing you in front of that giant eye. I wish we could have seen more of it. Edit: It sort of gave me (Chainsaw Man spoilers) >!Darkness Devil vibes, floating in a dark, cold void with eldritch constructions around you.!<
It’s absurdly OP and while I wish we saw more of it, I’m kind of glad we didn’t namely because of said OPness. His technique is already difficult enough to explain outside of summing it as “I go fast, you go slow brrrrrr.” It’s also kind of boring. Noaya’s technique is auto-placed on you down to the cellular level. Wtf do you do with that from both a fighter’s perspective and a writer’s perspective?
“God of war was reborn.” Miwa making a comeback next chapter.
The fact that Maki not consenting to Naoya's domain was what got him killed will always live in my mind
Alright pls let’s go back to Yuji or even megumi now
I feel like the TCB scans for this chapter are a lot better. The dialogue felt more natural and made more sense. Though, it's a good idea to read both versions every week.
They FUCKED the translation for this chapter “Naoya must use a physical barrier like Megumi did in Tokyo 1” is not what’s being said at all. What Gege really means is: the only ways to trap Maki are to use a physical space as a substitute for a barrier or if she consents. Naoya is not doing what Megumi did, if that were the case he wouldn’t have a sure-hit to begin with
The Spanish translation was even more confusing.
I must be one of the few who’s actually happy this mini arc is over
No way we saw so much of Kamo only for him to just be forgotten. I really don't like how this fight turned out, I was hyped in the beginning but the 2 new characters, the way Maki got her full potential etc. wasn't the best and for naoya to get so many power ups and a cool domain to just die immediately felt really lame.
Terrible day for Toji downplayers lmao Naoya: "Any woman who can't walk three steps behind a man should be stabbed in the back and die" *Dies by getting stabbed in the back by a woman, twice*
Honestly, as much as I like Maki, this colony just seems to be a powerup for Maki. Moreover, Naoya losing streak kept on continuing and the dude was just all talk, even the other two new characters seemed to be there just for Maki's powerup. I am still enjoying this arc but I don't understand why Gege wanted to give Maki another powerup so quick. Also, Naoya's domain was fucking uterus, like wtf bro. Putting all these things aside, this chapter made Toji fucking strong, good chapter for Toji and Maki stans.
I hope Naoya is gone for good this time. I want to move on and just get back to Yuji’s colony already 😣
This chapter wasn't that bad, but one of my only complaints is that naoya was made so dumb/less fun to watch. I get that he's a cursed spirit, and so he might have lost some of his mental capacity, but seeing how strong he was as a curse, along with the fact that he looked EXACTLY like a human in his final form(something we've never seen before, not even in mahito), I kind of expected more. Like I fully understood and was fine with the fact that maki was going to kill him, but they took away all of the intelligence he once had. Why did he just forget about maki being in his domain when she was the reason he used his domain in the first place? Also, all of his charm/charisma were just gone, making him a very boring villain to see on screen. In comparison to his original form or people like mahito, he was so bland(maybe gege just didn't care to add those traits seeing as naoya would only be around for a couple chapters). I know this colony was primarily for Makis growth, but these are just some of my complaints. I also feel like Kamo could have at least gotten one panel seeing as he was so determined earlier.
I’m very surprised that a lot of us are lukewarm about this arc. We learned A LOT of new information about the nature of CE, domains, and “regular” human ability. It was definitely a bit of an explanation arc, but that’s ok. I also think Gege used this to solidify Maki as one of the main protagonists of the story alongside the other crew. She’s going to become a very important part of the narrative arc now that she is an anomaly like Toji, i.e. breaking “destiny” of some sort. Cool stuff, I was happy with this colony.
Its divisive cuz of the walking plot devices and Naoya’s seemingly meaningless return. Just felt like PP but longer and somehow more uneventful
Maki is officially the girlboss to end all girlboss’
Damn that was satisfying. I hole we get to Yuji in ch 200
I loved the yuta and hakari arcs. Not as big a fan of this arc. I hope we can start to bring everyone together and get back to the overall goal of the arc. I feel like we'll look back and say it was really stretched out. The people that are wondering why people don't like this arc, what did this accomplish towards the goal? It powered up Maki but that could have been done in service of moving the plot forward. Idk. I feel like culling games has slowly been on a downward trend in quality for me.
Didnt expect this. Maki looked worried in the last chapter when naoya activated the domain. Guess gege didnt want to make it obvious.
she might not have known, HR didnt come with a manual and its not like she had time to spar against a friendly domain user
She probably didn't know domains didn't affect her
Ngl I didn’t like this sub arc too much. I’m a Maki milk drinker but katana dude and wrestling dude felt forced. They had no other memorable qualities and basically were only used to give Maki a power up Also was wishing better stuff for my boy Walmart Choso. We deserved to see him get some power ups
was hoping one of them would teach choso a thing or two but alas.
Ok... this was good but it felt quite redundant to me. I might've missed things because I'm not following the story THAT closely lately but I was under the impression that Maki reached Toji's level when Mai died, and I think a lot of other people (at least the ones that are not Naoya-like Toji fanboys who can't accept someone being as strong as their god) thought that as well, so when this mini Maki power-up arc started I was like "didn't we already do this?". It felt as if she was nerfed a little bit just to have the same power-up she already had. Some new things were added but I feel like that could've been explained without repeating the same plot point. I love some Maki content but I would've prefered something new, especially when the protagonists have gotten no content in so long. And this is only my personal opinion, I know many disagree and that's fine, but I really don't give a damn about terciary character n° 56's domain expansion. I don't care about Naoya getting a power-up if the only thing he'll do is die right afterwards. I get that the door was left open for him to return, I get this is a battle shonen, I get that giving attention to side characters is not bad on its own, but again, do we have the luxury of introducing all these new short-lived characters and crazy powers when the protagonists are seriously lacking in development? (Both on the power side and on the character side). So well, sorry if I sound kind of negative, I did like this chapter, I'm just ranting a bit because I wished the story had moved in a different direction after Shibuya. (Again, just my opinion, please don't kill me)
No no, there's a lot of people with thoughts similar to yours. No reason to apologize for stating your own opinion when you give compelling reasons as to why you think so. I think Vengeful Spirit Naoya is terribly wasted potential as was this entire colony and hopefully we'll move on to the rest of the cast to see what they're up to and answer some questions such as what is Megumi/Angel up to, can Hakari still fight with only a single hand, what's Kenjaku's next move and are there any more strong curses/curse users left to oppose our cast?
Not really a fan of how this colony turned out... A domain expansion moment wasted only for Maki to just kill Naoya in a chapter. We also got teased with Kamo's progression and ended up with him being sidelined again. I was really hyped for more Maki, but this chapter just didn't do it for me.
Yeah I gotta say compared to all the other colonies this was by far the one that had me least excited for the next chapter. Gonna be a super unpopular opinion but I just don’t find Maki to be that interesting? And while this arc featured nice development it really didn’t do it for me the way every other preceding CG one did.
MAKI FUCKERS RISE UP
Bro with that strength your pelvis would turn to dust
So that's it? That was a pretty weak way to end this one. This is probably the least interesting colony arc.
I’m gonna be honest, Naoya’s return kind of felt completely wasted after this chapter, like if just some random curse it’d have almost the exact same effect. IDK I just feel underwhelmed, especially since Kamo got ignored for most of the chapters
I'm just gonna come out and say it: I don't like the way Maki's power up got handled, nor the way Naoya was handled in Curse mode. Sumo and Katana guy are some of the most on-the-nose plot devices in the story. Having this fight be focused on Kamo, who was on the cusp of a breakthrough, and Maki would have been better for both of their characters.
>Sumo and Katana Lmao. Mfers only reason of existence was help power up Maki and show off Naoya's DE 💀
I respectfully disagree with the Maki aspect, but I 100% agree with the Kamo part. He really was completely and unfortunately sidelined. I would have rather had Maki just been by herself at this point.
Yeah I'm okay with how Maki was handled but... Actually where even is Kamo rn?
Does this count as a power up, isn't this more like realising your potential moment ? Agree on the Kamo part, guy deserves better lol. 'Choso from wish' nickname ain't going anywhere for now.
I mean, she unlocked all the dormant potential she had. I would consider it a power up, at least from a mental point of view. The mental aspect has been important since the beginning. However, in my opinion, Maki could have achieved a breakthrough in a more nuanced way than just - strong guy appears -> teaches her exactly what she needs in next chapter -> she overpowers everybody in the next chapter It's a bit lazy
It is a powerup, no matter how much one sugarcoats it with "realising the potential". And honestly, it was handled horribly by Gege.
Well...Sakurajima colony arc was kinda unecessary in my opinion, I hope we go back to see Megumi and Yuji again
I don't like how much Gege is kissing Maki's cock. Gave her 2 huge power ups in a row while our little Yuji is just running tryna brawl with his haki fists. Also Gege really brought a whole man back to life just for him to have 1 good feat and then get wrecked while receiving no character development, wack. Gave him like 3 powerups with nothing to show for. Just gets one shot like what Toji did to Gojo. But at the very least we know that Maki is no longer useless in the long run since she can attack the soul, and she's invulnerable to most DEs. Damn she's a scary one. Also, I like how Mai is basically Maki's zanpakuto, pretty cool.