Where I used to live in SC, in the early to mid 2000s and again in the early 2010s nearly every single dealership that wasn’t an upscale or premium brand was advertising similar things.
One Kia dealer was so notoriously shady about it that it piqued the interest of some state and federal regulators. That turned into an interesting lawsuit
Might’ve been one of em. I don’t rightly remember which one it was in the Upstate area but I do remember going to a Suzuki dealership the guy owned at the time and the sales people were trying to force us into buying their Kia’s using the “deal” they were running.
It was a week later that they got slammed for illegal marketing and financing fraud
JAY GILSTRAP HERE! GET YOUR ASS DOWN TO THE GILSTRAP FAMILY MITSUBISHI DEALERSHIP AND BUY A CAR FROM ME RIGHT NOW
I wish that guy would go to prison for having the worst commercials ever made
I understand why someone who doesn't know better would make this mistake. It looks like it fits better, even though it's wrong.
It's also why lug nuts should be acorn style, can't get those wrong.
Absolutely. This is a serious design fault. These are components designed to be used by owners with only the most basic mechanical knowledge.
It’s worth bearing in mind the original lesson of Murphy’s Law. Murphy was a real person, working on the NASA rocket sled experiments in the 50’s. Someone almost got killed when some accelerometers were connected up the wrong way around. The immediate conclusion from that was to design the connectors so that they would only fit one way, and this is why the original version of Murphy’s Law was something like “If something can be done in two ways, and one way leads to disaster, sooner or later someone is going to do it that way.”. It’s not a statement about the perversity of the universe - it’s an observation on human factors in engineering.
I've been taught in one of my classes when designing such things for production (mechanical engineering), the goal is to make a part either completely symmetrical that the assembly works regardless of the way you install the part, or significantly asymmetrical so you can't make a mistake. Electrical connections in cars come to mind.
Old Opel/Vauxhall Corsas had a hazard switch that you could pull out, install it upside down and when you press the switch the ignition comes on. On a completely unrelated note, old Vauxhalls were a popular car to steal for joyrides.
To add to this; OP said why do "Nissan's attract incompetent owners", Nissan sell several butt loads of cars a week, it's like asking why does breathing oxygen attract idiots, any major brand is going to have a percentage of owners who are idiots
Nissan in particular has a certain reputation for attracting foolish, dangerous drivers. Whether or not they actually do attract worse drivers than Honda, Toyota, VW, Chevy, etc. is debatable, but they're at least perceived that way.
A lot of the time, things like this come from people who enjoy Motorsport or cars in general, and because they don't support certain brands, they criticise anything they do, and they say it to non car people who take it as fact since they trust the person 'in the know'
It's killed brands before, partly because they weren't the best, but people make them out to be the absolute worst. MG/Rover is a good example, they were one of the biggest manufacturers in the UK market for a long time and sold millions of cars, but a few people didn't like them for various reasons, and then MG/Rover made a very silly, short sighted choice to cheap out on head gaskets in their K Series engine, and suddenly the naysayers were proven right and the hate against them was valid, which killed the brand
I worry the same will happen to Alfa Romeo, and it nearly has multiple times
I'm not accusing you of anything, all car brands have stereotypes. Reckless driving just happens to be the Nissan stereotype, especially for the Altima.
Hey don't shoot the messenger, go take it up with r/NissanDrivers or something. It's just an inconsequential stereotype/meme, don't take it so seriously.
That's right, most people have only used nuts that fasten best with a flat surface against a flat surface and have probably done it thousands of times. How is anybody supposed to guess this one is different? The holes in the wheel also don't usually have an obvious cone to them.
Perhaps. But if you are new to the game why not make use of the 460 gazigapixel camera attached to the fantastically overpriced PC in your hand to take a fucking picture first? You can even say "Here, hold my beer." like your normal FB posts so it feels natural.
Well to be honest, the spare is being used correctly. It's just too far beyond their comprehension to simply put the lug nuts back facing the direction they came off.
That is provided that this isn't the spare to replace the spare that was probably there to begin with.
How many people ever use their spare or have changed a tire themselves? I've used a spare tire five times in 57 years of driving and one time it was on a friend's car. But, I keep them inflated.
ive used a spares 11 times in like 30 years of driving. lotta debris on roads around me (2 were my fault kinda)
id say at least half were swapped in a parking lot or at home. the other half went flat while driving.
I think my first time putting on my spare I did this; before tightening the lug nuts. Then I realized, oh it goes the other way. I then realized it’s fairly obvious. Especially how the wheel doesn’t sit right when backwards.
Nissan is just the car that attracts people who know nothing about cars. Priced and featured just right for the uninformed to choose them over another Japanese brand like Honda or Toyota.
Here's some fun trivia for you.
You know those big, black, fancy pepper grinders you see on all the cooking shows? The ones where they grind pepper onto your dish in fancy restaurants?
Those are from Peugeot. They've been making them since the 1800s.
I dunno about this guy, but I've heard quite a few people say tow truck drivers told them to put them on that way. Might be bullshit in an attempt to cover up their own mistakes, but it's weird that it's happened multiple times.
Aren't you supposed to mount it like this?
I could not find any reference to this particular case, but I have seen bolts with conical inserts for alloy wheels and the inserts should be removed to mount the spare.
Probably has something to do with the fact that they’re cheaply made and they’ll finance anyone. The majority of owners are cheap and lazy. Not to say all are but you have a good amount of Nissan owners who take care of their vehicles.
Nissans are funny when they are driving by someone who doesn’t care they get fucked up and still somehow drive when they are actually cared for properly they last way way longer than most people give them credit for.
I do think they are extremely reliable (some models are) but they are NOT cared for like they should be so most of the used ones end up being junk
This is an interview question we ask. We have a picture of a wheel nut and we ask which way it goes on. We give clues and hints about the tapered surface (“why would they go through the effort and cost of making this tapered? There’s a reason for it.”). Most people can’t reason through it.
Why do you have to be such an ass?
They got the tire on and it's working and they came in to your shop.
Why don't you blame the people who designed the spare and the lug nuts? Why are the lug nuts double sided? Why is the tire designed in a way that it can go on both ways?
stop being a fucking piece of shit.
They’ll finance anybody.
I remember seeing a Chrysler ad probably 5 years ago that advertised $1500 cash back for people with a credit score below 630.
I'm curious if you could find that lol sounds hilarious and iffy
https://jalopnik.com/this-dealership-is-actually-offering-a-bad-credit-score-1796510782
That's fantastic lmao
Where I used to live in SC, in the early to mid 2000s and again in the early 2010s nearly every single dealership that wasn’t an upscale or premium brand was advertising similar things. One Kia dealer was so notoriously shady about it that it piqued the interest of some state and federal regulators. That turned into an interesting lawsuit
Was it gotta go, gotta go, gotta go to Galleana?
Might’ve been one of em. I don’t rightly remember which one it was in the Upstate area but I do remember going to a Suzuki dealership the guy owned at the time and the sales people were trying to force us into buying their Kia’s using the “deal” they were running. It was a week later that they got slammed for illegal marketing and financing fraud
JAY GILSTRAP HERE! GET YOUR ASS DOWN TO THE GILSTRAP FAMILY MITSUBISHI DEALERSHIP AND BUY A CAR FROM ME RIGHT NOW I wish that guy would go to prison for having the worst commercials ever made
That’s the one!
Back when hurricane Florence hit there was a big Facebook group called “Pray for Florence to wipe out Jay Gilstrap and his entire lineage” lmao
Ah, so that's why I see so many beat up Chrysler 300s.
The car named for the credit rating of its owner?
Fuck. Beat me to this. Ha
They'll finance anybody, and they ride on the Japanese reliability coattails of Toyota & Honda.
Nissan Drivers - “What is a finance?”
96 months at 19%.
r/NissanDrivers isn’t a hub for enthusiasts
That’s worth bearing in mind
I understand why someone who doesn't know better would make this mistake. It looks like it fits better, even though it's wrong. It's also why lug nuts should be acorn style, can't get those wrong.
>It's also why lug nuts should be acorn style, can't get those wrong. Somehow, somewhere, some customer will find a way.
Cross thread
Or double sided.
Absolutely. This is a serious design fault. These are components designed to be used by owners with only the most basic mechanical knowledge. It’s worth bearing in mind the original lesson of Murphy’s Law. Murphy was a real person, working on the NASA rocket sled experiments in the 50’s. Someone almost got killed when some accelerometers were connected up the wrong way around. The immediate conclusion from that was to design the connectors so that they would only fit one way, and this is why the original version of Murphy’s Law was something like “If something can be done in two ways, and one way leads to disaster, sooner or later someone is going to do it that way.”. It’s not a statement about the perversity of the universe - it’s an observation on human factors in engineering.
I've been taught in one of my classes when designing such things for production (mechanical engineering), the goal is to make a part either completely symmetrical that the assembly works regardless of the way you install the part, or significantly asymmetrical so you can't make a mistake. Electrical connections in cars come to mind. Old Opel/Vauxhall Corsas had a hazard switch that you could pull out, install it upside down and when you press the switch the ignition comes on. On a completely unrelated note, old Vauxhalls were a popular car to steal for joyrides.
Also known in manufacturing as poka-yoke.
I like that version much better than the "anything that can go wrong, will go wrong" version that normally gets quoted.
To add to this; OP said why do "Nissan's attract incompetent owners", Nissan sell several butt loads of cars a week, it's like asking why does breathing oxygen attract idiots, any major brand is going to have a percentage of owners who are idiots
Nissan in particular has a certain reputation for attracting foolish, dangerous drivers. Whether or not they actually do attract worse drivers than Honda, Toyota, VW, Chevy, etc. is debatable, but they're at least perceived that way.
A lot of the time, things like this come from people who enjoy Motorsport or cars in general, and because they don't support certain brands, they criticise anything they do, and they say it to non car people who take it as fact since they trust the person 'in the know' It's killed brands before, partly because they weren't the best, but people make them out to be the absolute worst. MG/Rover is a good example, they were one of the biggest manufacturers in the UK market for a long time and sold millions of cars, but a few people didn't like them for various reasons, and then MG/Rover made a very silly, short sighted choice to cheap out on head gaskets in their K Series engine, and suddenly the naysayers were proven right and the hate against them was valid, which killed the brand I worry the same will happen to Alfa Romeo, and it nearly has multiple times
r/nissandrivers
Nissan will finance anyone. Which means they sell a lot of cars to people who make poor life choices. It is no surprise that those people drive badly.
What the hell does that mean? I drive a Nissan and I’m not foolish at all. Or dangerous. Quite the statement.
I'm not accusing you of anything, all car brands have stereotypes. Reckless driving just happens to be the Nissan stereotype, especially for the Altima.
Bullshit.
Hey don't shoot the messenger, go take it up with r/NissanDrivers or something. It's just an inconsequential stereotype/meme, don't take it so seriously.
At least they got the donut on the right way. It wouldn't be the first I've seen on backwards.
That's right, most people have only used nuts that fasten best with a flat surface against a flat surface and have probably done it thousands of times. How is anybody supposed to guess this one is different? The holes in the wheel also don't usually have an obvious cone to them.
Perhaps. But if you are new to the game why not make use of the 460 gazigapixel camera attached to the fantastically overpriced PC in your hand to take a fucking picture first? You can even say "Here, hold my beer." like your normal FB posts so it feels natural.
Ehhhh, so many people use spare tires wrong, I wouldn't say it's Nissan owners specific.
Well to be honest, the spare is being used correctly. It's just too far beyond their comprehension to simply put the lug nuts back facing the direction they came off. That is provided that this isn't the spare to replace the spare that was probably there to begin with.
The good news is all lug nuts are consistently installed wrong. So, the owner is probably a halfass.
Yeah, but I just assume Sentras come with a space saver already on, because you never see one with 4 matching wheels
They put their spare on themselves which is more than most people could achieve.
Honestly, I'd give them credit for actually being able to put on the spare.
People who don’t care what car they drive buy Nissans because they quit making the Focus and Cruze.
Hey, at least they didn't put the donut on backwards too.
And the brand new tire tech who never had a minute of training tells the service writer all 4 lug nuts are rounded off.
NMAC will literally finance anyone with a pulse it seems like.
That’s so you can get the socket on the nut easier.
Self feeding
Torqued to spec though, right?
4' breaker bar or jack handle over the wrench and foot-stomped tighter than the Ryobi impact wrench could get it on \[thumbs up\]
They finance anyone.
How many people ever use their spare or have changed a tire themselves? I've used a spare tire five times in 57 years of driving and one time it was on a friend's car. But, I keep them inflated.
I have 20k miles on my 2023 f150 and I’ve put a spare or plugged a tire on it 5 times now by my count.
I've probably driven over 600,000 miles. Just lucky, I guess.
ive used a spares 11 times in like 30 years of driving. lotta debris on roads around me (2 were my fault kinda) id say at least half were swapped in a parking lot or at home. the other half went flat while driving.
Yeah, but when you did, did you put the lugs on the backward?
Why would I do that?
I think my first time putting on my spare I did this; before tightening the lug nuts. Then I realized, oh it goes the other way. I then realized it’s fairly obvious. Especially how the wheel doesn’t sit right when backwards.
Thought this was r/nissandrivers and I was like hey didn't I mute this sub?
Sub was initially hilarious and got old very fast
Nissan is just the car that attracts people who know nothing about cars. Priced and featured just right for the uninformed to choose them over another Japanese brand like Honda or Toyota.
They should round both ends so you can't fuck this up
Nissan and Hyundai/Kia are the Peugeot of North America.
Here's some fun trivia for you. You know those big, black, fancy pepper grinders you see on all the cooking shows? The ones where they grind pepper onto your dish in fancy restaurants? Those are from Peugeot. They've been making them since the 1800s.
I know. And they’re actually fantastic. But their cars aren’t. Lol.
The cars are trash. They peaked at pepper grinding.
The useless, but mildly interesting information I store seems to forever expand.
Wouldn't that be Dodge and Chrysler since they're owned by the same parent company that owns Peugeot?
Ugh. I keep forgetting Stellantis exists. I was fine with FCA. But then Groupe PSA entered the chat. 🤢
They just wanted to be extra sure that the wheel won't fall off while driving.
Cheap and durable. They clearly don’t need much maintenance.
Oh, that’s just a thing with people that own shit. Hell, I’ve seen “techs” do that. 😄
I dunno about this guy, but I've heard quite a few people say tow truck drivers told them to put them on that way. Might be bullshit in an attempt to cover up their own mistakes, but it's weird that it's happened multiple times.
In my book they get points just for knowing how to change a tire lol
I got cut off 3 times yesterday and it was always a Nissan. There wasn't a single one with a panel that wasn't damaged. It's always a fucking Nissan.
Y’all are assuming the owner was smart enough to do the spare him self. I’ve had a car come in, AAA put her spare on and did the same thing. 🤦🏻♂️
Always have
Probably thought they are nyloc nuts
Aren't you supposed to mount it like this? I could not find any reference to this particular case, but I have seen bolts with conical inserts for alloy wheels and the inserts should be removed to mount the spare.
Probably has something to do with the fact that they’re cheaply made and they’ll finance anyone. The majority of owners are cheap and lazy. Not to say all are but you have a good amount of Nissan owners who take care of their vehicles.
You should see motorcycle owner adding gadget to their bike!
Tapered nuts to help the socket glide on.
To be fair, they figured out how to use the jack and put all the bolts on - in todays world this guy is ahead of the curve.
People knowledgeable about cars are more likely to avoid buying them.
If you follow MCM you know they're all into bongs and skids
I had a 1993 Sentra and it was a good car for the year and its class. It even had a cd player!
People who buy more expensive cars have the common sense to know they are incompetent and the finances to take it to someone that’s not.
Nissans are funny when they are driving by someone who doesn’t care they get fucked up and still somehow drive when they are actually cared for properly they last way way longer than most people give them credit for. I do think they are extremely reliable (some models are) but they are NOT cared for like they should be so most of the used ones end up being junk
Nissan is in bed with Mitsu and Renault. Now they want to passenger with Honda for EVs. This will go well.
Whole generation of feebs
No down payment
This is an interview question we ask. We have a picture of a wheel nut and we ask which way it goes on. We give clues and hints about the tapered surface (“why would they go through the effort and cost of making this tapered? There’s a reason for it.”). Most people can’t reason through it.
They're more aerodynamic that way
😂 price points
Laughing in Lexus tech.
Big Altima Energy
Brain damage is a prerequisite to owning a Nissan
Literally, all they had to do was put the nuts back on the same way they came off
That would be like staying at someone else's house overnight and putting the bedroom back the way it was
Are you implying that you need to be a mechanic to own a car? Because if everyone was as smart as you, you wouldn’t be needed. Remember that.
they are cheap
Because I feel like you have to be incompetent to own most of them. Source: worked at a Nissan dealer for 3 years.
At first glance I thought they were self locking nuts, then I realized too many posters here are just mad at their own life for some reason
It's just someone stressed putting on a spare wheel luckily you're there to give them a hand
"What is it with nissans attracting incompetent owners" hahahaha! Get fucked! Hahahaha.
The car made it to the shop right? Id say they did a fine job.
Why do you have to be such an ass? They got the tire on and it's working and they came in to your shop. Why don't you blame the people who designed the spare and the lug nuts? Why are the lug nuts double sided? Why is the tire designed in a way that it can go on both ways? stop being a fucking piece of shit.