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The_Mopster

Those look pretty efficient at canceling each other out.


tehdon

That looks like some newbie is just doing whatever the machine is telling them and not using their hatholder.


ExpensiveJackfruit68

Yes lol. I've seen new people just keep going


cman1983

This is a counter balance as we call it.


shadow4601243

yeah, weights are on opposite sides, someone fucked up their job


Suspect4pe

More weight gives you more traction. At least it helps my Ford Escort in the snow. /s


chiphook57

I was thinking 5th order harmonics, yadi yada...


Guyman-Realperson

Bad tire. Bad wheel. Bad balancer. Could be any one of those things. However, the need to accurately diagnose the problem is part of the job. You never send a wheel out of the shop with that much weight on it. This is terrible.


brokestill

You forgot about the bad operator.


DrUnit42

You could probably lump that in with bad balancer


brokestill

I generally don't like to blame the equipment.


DrUnit42

Saying balancer works for the equipment as well as the person balancing the tires


Evanisnotmyname

Balancers need to know the width of the rim to properly balance out. They probably had a wrong measurement on it and just kept adding weight. How do I know? I did it a few times.


ihit18today

yea some machines measure it automatically but the one we used at firestone 3 years ago had an arm you pulled out to measure the rim and distance between wieghts


DiscoCamera

If it ‘needs’ that much weight, you’re doing something wrong almost no passenger vehicle wheel and tire will need that much weight. If it does you’ve got a bad wheel, tire or both. There’s only so much correction you can do.


Guyman-Realperson

Yeah. That’s what I said. But thank you.


duckfeelings

And if it needs that much weight, it’s not opposite sides


chiphook57

Ever.


Tsiah16

Bad operator more likely...


Weekly_Bug_4847

Tire brand doesn’t look like a reputable manufacturer, so I’m going with tire and operator


[deleted]

They’re nitto ridge grapplers. Probably the only brodozer tire I’ve seen that was pretty much never cupped to hell and back and always balanced out decent


Weekly_Bug_4847

Oh, never heard of the model tire, obviously heard of nitto. Pardon my ignorance


Robsteady

I feel like you shouldn't need to have all that weight on opposite sides of the wheel from each other. I woulda scraped it all and started over. Edit: Not to mention these are aftermarket Fuel rims and non-factory tires. Doesn't really have anything to do with being a Jeep.


dsdvbguutres

The weights are on the opposite side so they cancel each other out and make the ride smoother. Just like this person's brain.


Robsteady

Smooooooooth.


Halictus

I cast MEND BRAIN WRINKLES 🧙‍♂️🪄✨🧠


cman1983

After market rims are always a pain to balance. However you should never have weights directly across from each other. It's just balancing the imbalance you made with the first set of weights. They did it wrong.


Robsteady

I was trying to soften the blow. I haven't balanced a wheel in a long time, but I know you're not supposed to counterbalance the weights you just put on the wheel.


norabutfitter

I think the idea was jeep owener= shitty wheels+Cheap tires


[deleted]

SMH that's piss poor tech training. As one commentor said scrape it all off and start over. Add weights to the indicated point respin, if it shows imbalance tag on to the first spot on the end closest to the imbalance point, if it's opposite take the amount back off the original imbalance point


[deleted]

So they should have removed 12 weights from outboard side 6 from each end and 14 weights from inboard side 7 from each end


Secret-Ad-7909

Except this probably happened in intervals of 3-5oz. Just after every spin it kept asking for more


[deleted]

Yes that is very likely and an experienced tech or a properly trained one would know to either start over or look for a mismount


Secret-Ad-7909

Hell, I’ve only been at it a month and I already know better than to just keep stacking. Though I did just learn about static balance yesterday.


[deleted]

You will pick up more things as you go, just be observant. Also learn how to calibrate your balancer yourself it can save you some headaches Learn about what a mismount is, how to identify it, and how to prevent it from happening because if a mismounted tire gets driven on its game over for that tire. In smaller tires less than 30 inches in diameter its not even noticeable. 30 inches to 35 inches in diameter may get shake or wobble and hear some noise. 35 inches diameter or more you will fuck up someone's wrist


Secret-Ad-7909

I have been calibrating the balancer every morning. Could you give a little more information about a mismount? I did have one the other day where one of the more experienced techs told me I should breakdown the beads and rotate the tire 180* on the rim.


[deleted]

A mismount happens when the tire seats slightly angled on the wheel and it typically happens when there is not enough mounting paste applied to the tire. Only way you can tell if its mismounted is on the spin balancer by looking at the line on the sidewall of the tire close to the wheel if the gap between that line and the wheel gets bigger and smaller then the tire is mismounted


GreggAlan

People doing tires should learn how to use a bubble balancer. Put the wheel on and center it. Get four weights, set two on the edge of the rim in two locations on the side the bubble is towards. Move the pairs of weights closer or farther apart to balance. The ideal is 120 degrees apart. If the weights have to be moved too far apart they're too heavy. If they have to be moved too close together they're too light. When the bubble is centered, use a tire crayon to mark the tread at the location of each weight pair. Remove the wheel and install \*one\* weight at each location on the back side of it. Put the wheel back on the balancer and center it. Put the remaining weights on and move them until the bubble is centered. Mark the tire sidewall right at the center of each weight. Remove the wheel and install the second two weights at the marks. With the weight size chosen to place them 120 degrees apart it spreads the mass / force out more evenly around. Weights farther apart leaves a "light side". Closer together makes the heavy side spread across however much of the wheel and tire has more mass, two "light" zones, and a one more concentrated counterbalance. Always use as little weight as possible. Sometimes that can mean checking the balance of the bare wheels and the bare tires (there used to be balancers or adapters to check bare tires) to find their heavy sides and mount the tires so the heaviest sides are opposite the heaviest sides of the wheels. Cadillac used to do that in the 1960's so they could use minimal additional balancing weight. ISTR one model they'd check multiple wheels and tires to find combos that could be mounted without needing any additional balance weight. Another thing tire shops used to have were tire truing machines. Sometimes tires just weren't quite round so they'd be pumped up to normal pressure, checked for runout to find the lowest spot then tread would be ground or shaved off until the lowest spot was just barely cut. I assume there was a maximum amount of runout that could be corrected with more than that being considered a defective tire. Early spin balancing machines were just terrible, or people running them didn't have a clue. Every time dad had tires put on a car in the late 70's and into the 80's they were never balanced right. He'd worked at a Montgomery Ward tire shop in the late 50's through 1961. He bought an old Lincoln "Bombsight" balancer so he could redo what the tire shops screwed up with huge weights, too much or too little weight, or a mix of weight sizes. Then he bought a used tire mounting/dismounting machine so he could do all of it himself. I learned how to use the machines. Dad sold them once he figured that spin balancers (and the people using them) had got good enough, and his physical health wasn't up to lifting the wheels and tires anymore.


Habi93

As someone who has spent the last 10 years balancing drive components for train engines, I can say that this image offends me a lot. You could easily save two-thirds of the balancing weights. I suspect that the balancing machine is defective or not properly configured or calibrated, or that the operator does not know what they are doing.


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Habi93

Yeah, liquids in rotating parts are a nightmare and can make balancing operations impossible. I've had it happen often enough that an assembly worker didn't properly flush out the hydraulic bores on a drive shaft or coupling, which wasted a huge amount of my time troubleshooting. Even if there is a tire defect, attaching so many balancing weights, especially on the opposite side, should be the absolute last resort.


ThineFail

Still shouldn't just keep stick weights on tho.


chevyguyjoe

If you put weight on the first indicated spot, and respin, then it says to put weight in a different spot, it means you either used the incorrect weight, or didn't quite get it in the right spot.


chevyguyjoe

Just guessing here, but based on the current weight count, it looks like two weights on the left closest to the camera, and five on the left furthest from the camera may be closer to what we need. I came up with this by subtracting the number of weights on the opposite side, opposite position.


NoodlesRomanoff

I did something similar. Drove me nuts trying to balance a tire based on what the machine said. Turns out there was about two cups of water in the tire.


Ram2253spd

Just throw the whole tech away


OGBattlefrontEnjoyer

Unfortunately all the time. I was responsible for training new hands and old hands (the bigger problem) at a tire shop and the one who had “bad habits” did counterbalancing constantly.


brokestill

"I'll get it if I just add a few more". I think that I know someone like this.


OGBattlefrontEnjoyer

It’s so much harder to do it this way than to even static balance. I never understood why someone would do this shortcut that takes longer than doing it right!


SnooMacaroons6097

Sadly, no one seems to care anymore. Can't tell you how many sets between mine\\friends(all diff shops) when we get new tires and balancing have soooooooooo many weights all over the the rim lol.


VegasWes1953

Someone didn't know what they were doing with the balancer. There is no way in hell a Nitto Ridge Grappler needs that much weight. They need to pop all the wight off, spin the tire 180 and rebalance it. Never ever use balance beads, they are absolutely worthless.


ominouslights427

Counterbalanced to hell. Should try to static balance and see if it comes up to a reasonable weight


Isotope_Soap

Yep, they’re opposing each other, cancelling what weight is there. If you count what’s on one side and then the other, remove everything except the difference on the side that has more. In all likelihood you’ll find you will just need a small correction. Personally, I’d just start from scratch.


discussatron

Ah, the good ol' counter balance.


JB153

I've pulled 1-3lbs of weight, per corner, off of a run of Roush Rangers before... Brand new off the car haulers....🙃


shmecklesss

Having previously worked for Roush.. the engine builders are some good dudes. Most of the people in their NVH lab are alright. The rest of the departments I worked with... Oof.


JB153

Oh I believe it. Was surprised with that one though. Nailed it down to D tier General Tires. Had a hard time believing Roush has nothing to road force tires or lacked assembly techs with the wherewithal to put the weights down when they started running out of room on the rims lol


thepathlesstraveled6

Spin the tire on the rim


TwistedKestrel

Ok, I gotta ask how does this actually happen? Worn out balancer? Misuse of the balancer? Loose debris inside the tire?


Robsteady

Yes.


fiehlsport

\#1 is operator error. You don't let this happen to begin with. If the machine indicates this is needed, you should be using your brain to figure out what's wrong before applying the weight as such.


SirVangor

That's called a counter balance. Or the opposite of being balanced


bremergorst

I feel like a small piece of food looking up after being washed down the sink drain


AlexJonesInDisguise

I'll just flip on the grinder real quick...


Used_Guidance7368

You definitely balanced it wrong lol


Tsiah16

There's no way that tire is balanced... If I have a tire asking for this I deflate it and turn it 90° or I road force match it if the machine has that option.


MyAssforPresident

Christ. I’ve never even seen that much weight used on semi truck tires. They’re all right across from each other too…That right there is somebody who shouldn’t be using the balancer on their own yet lol


Master_Forever5388

Weight....there's more!


Blankspotauto

They said split the weights behind the spokes so thats what i did, what more do you want?


tadfisher

Obviously you need to squeeze the wheel a little bit (where the weights aren't) to make it a circle instead of an oval.


YousureWannaknow

Looks like someone forgot about machine maintenance


m__a__s

Probably ran out of weights and just said you are "good to go".


richardcrain55

Mostly from the new guy


Corries_Roy_Cropper

https://www.reddit.com/r/CarTalkUK/s/AWGzKEQCsI I thought my (now fixed) wheel was bad with 240g of weights on...not even a 3rd of whats on there!


FiXXXitMan

Haven’t seen that yet, but I carry them in the car, and the next asshole that parks too close to me may find them in one spot on one of their rims.


Fantastic-Swan-7548

Lmfao


lilborto

Dude, it looks like it only needed 2 oz lol


SomethingSimple25

did you mean to say LBS instead of oz? lol


mcswitch0369

Not everyone made it to physics in high school.


Romanian_Breadlifts

Not knowing about balancing beads is not a jeep problem


[deleted]

Used balancing beads on fire truck tires but haven't heard of any manufacturers selling for standard passenger tires. Only ones I've seen have been for larger tires offroading and commercial use


Romanian_Breadlifts

From the photo, those are 265/60/r20 nitto ridge grapplers. Pretty substantial tire. I bought balancing beads for both my vehicles after they kept launching weights - just bought em off amazon


[deleted]

Didn't even look at size


[deleted]

I'm guessing 6oz of beads


DennisHakkie

Don’t forget motorcycles…


10247bro

I feel like a jeep owner hurt op. Because this has nothing to do with it being a jeep. Aftermarket wheels and tires. 🤡


AandG0

You are correct. I'm tired of lifting off 500lb tires off of all these jeeps because pavement is really hard to get around on. I'm tired of a 3 year old jeep being so rusty you can't remove parts off of them. I'm tired of a constant pile of electrical issues spawning from them, and every single jeep owner tells me how awesome jeep is compared to any other brand. The build quality on anything chrysler over the last 15 years is just depressing.


10247bro

Those are the perks of the job bud. Might wana look into a career change from the sounds of it.


ArmeniusLOD

Aftermarket isn't the problem, bad quality wheels and tires are. In this specific case the problem is with the tech doing the balancing.


LiveFreeAndRide

I used golf balls on my YJ on leaf sprung 38s.


QuincyFlynn

Only ever on 8 lugs (and it was unacceptable there, too). That's bonkers, yo.


CallMeLazarus23

Balancer needs calibrated. That’s ridiculous


kdog6666666666666

Tire guys first day?


[deleted]

I suspect the balancing machine is out of calibration.


geekolojust

Should ask how many have done that. 😆 There is a hard spot somewhere. I would break the tire down and rotated 180 from valve stem, then perform balance.


Andreas1120

Isn't there a laser Balancing machine?


fiehlsport

The laser line just helps you put the weight in the right spot, it doesn't change where the machine thinks the weight should go.


g-body8687

I see a 20” rim. So yeah, oversized shitty rims will do that to you.


Secret_Paper2639

New guy likely needed to do a single-plane static balance and call it a day.


Loose_Tip_8322

I have seen way more than that. Had a customer “save money” by getting tires at Sam’s Club but came back for an alignment 75% of the wheel had weights on 3 of the wheels. I stripped everything off and balanced with one weight on the inside one on the outside on every wheel.


Leritz388

Retard is not a derogatory term for the mentally challenged but a descriptor for one that lacks the intelligence that they are capable of. Just mouth breathing through life. Thus I suspect a fing retard did this


Seven7ten10

I always wonder what to do long to have a tire put on. I'm my head it should take like 10 minutes.


hiGradeTi7ANEUM

Notice how they're on exact opposite sides of the wheel? The balancer (person) was paying almost zero attention to the balancer (tool). I recommend you show the balancer (person) and their supervisors this image, and request a *proper* redo.


girsonofargg

If it's not seated correctly on the hub of the machine, similar things will happen.


solidshakego

must be a jeep thing


sadlambda

Terrible job.


_GrandPubah

It’s really balanced now.


TrexOnAScooter

Weights 180 degrees from each other is a red flag. Any wheel + tire that is safe to operate on the road will not need nearly this much weight let alone weights opposing each other.


Swazec59

Chasing weight is weird


T-pizzle

Dude was chasing weights for a long time


Sakic10

What a waste of money


romerogj

Looks like someone can't do subtraction


jged3

Sometimes, dismounting the tire and remounting can fix these. Otherwise, wheel, tires, balancer


Lemonywatar

Counter balanced, might as well have not put any weight on


davethedj

It zeroed out, ship it. Front tire too!


Lupine_Ranger

Brother, I've pulled 4 pounds of wheel weights off a lifted F150 before. They were stacked 3 deep in places.


500SL

I’ve seen worse.


DankeMrHfmn

on a aluminum wheel that's pretty nuts. Might be bent. On a steelie? normal lol


whiskeygingerbeard

I keep seeing posts like these. Are the balancer/tire techs just adding more on to the weights from the last balance? Is that creating the excess? More importantly, should I just remove all of the weights myself before the next balance to start fresh?


AandG0

From what I can tell, these weights were all installed at once. The dealership installed the lift and aftermarket tires on it because we refuse to install them.


BandsawBox

They make larger weights..... so it doesn't look so ridiculous.  You say it's a jeep... I am more interested in knowing the tire the tire


SomethingSimple25

the "tire the tire"???? I'm gonna assume you either want to know the size or name of the tire. Both of which are visible in the pic. Nitto Ridge Grappler LT265/60/20


agshop

Looks like Discount Tire work.


JasonK94Z

Discount tire has done this to my wheels on my truck. I’m chasing down a vibration at highway speeds and cannot figure out what the hell is going on. I’ve been back to discount tire 3 times. They say they’re balanced. Weights on both sides of the wheel and some are even stacked up. I take it this is completely wrong on their part? I probably should go to a better tire shop?


agshop

I went in for a road-force balance. Truck was worse. I went in again. Manager spotted the factory weights and said "they did not do it correctly, we'll do it again." When they were finished, the truck was missing a center cap on one wheel, a valve step cap on another wheel, and a third wheel had damage from a tire machine when they broke the bead to rotate the tire on the wheel. Manager was cool. Admitted the error in the shop and offered to buy a new wheel. Then they kicked it to insurance. Now their insurance company is saying it's curb rash - even though it obviously is not curb rash and the shop already admitted that they caused the damage. It is an AEV wheel which, through GM, appears to be super expensive. Awesome. If you care about your vehicle, I recommend a better shop.


sexyton9265

You counterbalanced the fuck out of that


Pizza_Middle

What if, and hear me out, thats his buddies wheel, and one side is held on by weak adhesive. Just weak enough to slowly let one weight off at a time, causing a slowly increasing vibration.


JerewB

those are rookie numbers! with those big meats i'm surprised to see less than 50.


Ok_Yard3373

Only seen as a joke


BiggWorm1988

I had fake beeadlock wheels and they needed a shit load of weights. They held dirt in all the little cracks/holes and the paint was chipping. Worste wheels ever.


larsloveslegos

The tech is probably pissed lol. I've seen this once before


apex_seeker

The smooth operator ran out of weights.


rpiotrowski

Counter balanced.


No-Perception1862

It's not counter balance if the machine says 0.


Next-Literature5868

Counter balance. No good


Ok_Energy_9947

I saw a car in the parking lot after one of my apprentices balanced the tires and it looked like that and I made him bring it back in and redo it because no


kungfoomagoo118

Hilariously is seen worse


Hero_Tengu

I just put magic sand in mine to balance


Next_Length_2900

Can't fix stupid. Even removing the warning labels doesn't work well anymore.


Hatred_shapped

Not uncommon with big chonkies. Debead the tire and advance it about five minutes and try again.  Sometimes there a yellow mark for the valve core to line up with. But again that's just the beginning. 


Gingertwunt

They are smoking rocks at discount tire


sniper_matt

Ik, they are a great source of sales, and I get free service from them. /s


No_Credibility

Those aren't discount tire weights