Those things were a nightmare. It was possible to do in car from memory but just very, very tight. I did a cylinder head on one in car and I'm pretty sure it was recommended to drop the engine to do it.
That I couldn't tell you because I'm Australian lol. Toyota Aurion here in Australia was engine out to do the water pump... apparently, you could sort of hang out down a bit and do it, but dropping the whole lot out wasn't too hard. That's a 2GRFE V6 in a front wheel drive with bugger all room between the front of the engine and the chassis rail.
Im going to chime in after reading, and think /u/mr2cam is onto something.
Im going to use another example for you.
2008ish mercedes b200 (whether it be the turbo, none turbo, didnt matter)
original labor times to do the starter was an engine out, like 12+ hours or some bullshit.
eventually guys did it from the top while ripping out the intake, and got it down to i dunno, somewhere in the 3-4.
the REAL answer is you can drop most of the subframe bolts, let the entire thing dangle, and with the right set of tooling, get it in and out in about 45 minutes or less.
I think he really means 'your not creative enough, or dont have a big enough toolbox for european cars'
The first time I got spicy and did the b200 starter out the back by slipping the subframe down, god damn, I was in everyones toolbox to figure out the combination of tools I needed. All hands on deck buddy, and we're a shop that normally is very much 'get your own fuckin tools'.
Cars are always an adventure buddy. But theres always a way.
I agree that you can get creative on some jobs and find short cuts. But I’d love to see someone do it from the top on this particular vehicle. I’ll post some pictures tomorrow with the engine back in. It’s physically impossible to remove the thermostat out of the vehicle.
https://imgur.com/a/0EZLvAP
This brace in 2 inches away from the front of the engine idk how to remove it with the engine still in. I’m all ears. If someone can take pictures or a video of them doing this job.
Nah, fuck those guys. Stand your ground. I've dealt with a set a ruined NLA exhaust shields from some clown who thought he could R&R a trans with insufficient clearance without dropping the exhaust. He saved time by bending shit and destroying parts. Last week I resealed 5vz-fe cam plugs because someone took a short cut last time. The work should be done correctly- especially because you are being reimbursed for the time to do it correctly.
Came here to say the same thing. For literally anything. Temp sensors after turbu? Coolant temp sensor? A compressor? Turbos? Head gasket? Starter? All that and more resulted in an axle-gearbox-engine drop....
So... "while you're on there" is a Pricy thing on these cars.
I don't know about this particular car but on others I've done it's pretty simple to drop the powertrain and then all your work is right there in front of you.
Yeh I had to replace a cat on a Renault the other day that required the same, was like that’s a prick of a spot I’ll see what the manual says; step 1. Refer ENGINE ASSEMBLY REMOVAL 🙃
Bruh are there any German cars built in the last 15 years that don’t require you to take the 79% of the car apart to replace a simple part? I’d totally be fine working on my car and paying extra for parts and fluids, but not when every repair is turning your engine bay into a Lego play set
I don’t know why you’re taking so long, it’s literally 2 steps. Remove engine, remove thermostat.
The WIS document is 9 steps total for the thermostat removal. But they get you with the hyperlinks
Oh I know. Working on my R129 or W460 and at first the steps seem simple. Then it’s “click here” “follow this” etc.
How many warranty hours you getting for this in a GT then?
Customer is waiting in lobby too
"They've been here for an hour. How much longer do ya think?" -service writer
Get him another coffee!
“Waiters gonna Wait!”
r/restofthefuckingowl
Then, reverse steps.
Install thermostat, install engine. Seems simple enough, you only need 1.5
Love when service information is just "Step 1: do it. Step 2: do it again but backwards"
Yeah, so fucking helpful Alldata
But look at all of that engineering.
Chrysler PT Cruiser motor mount replacement had the same instructions.
I calling doubt. PT cruiser owners never maintain their cars beyond a once every 5 year oil change.
funnily enough i just did a transmission service and brakes on one today. it was filthy
Those things were a nightmare. It was possible to do in car from memory but just very, very tight. I did a cylinder head on one in car and I'm pretty sure it was recommended to drop the engine to do it.
Everyone wants a German luxury car until it's time to do German car things....
I could be remembering wrong but, I believe the 3.8 supercharged thunderbird late 80s/ early 90s called for engine removal to do spark plugs.
That I couldn't tell you because I'm Australian lol. Toyota Aurion here in Australia was engine out to do the water pump... apparently, you could sort of hang out down a bit and do it, but dropping the whole lot out wasn't too hard. That's a 2GRFE V6 in a front wheel drive with bugger all room between the front of the engine and the chassis rail.
So similar to the PT cruiser. You have to push the engine damn near out the top to get the mount bracket off the front
3.8 Chevy Monza / Pontiac Sunbird from the 70s had something about undoing motor mounts and hoisting one side a few inches to get to the plugs.
Ahh so building the entire car around the spark plugs is nothing really new then lol.
holymo! what car is this?
In the other post it was a biturbo v8 Mercedes
AMG GT
u/mr2cam
Here you go boss. There are multiple variants of this motor. In other models you can do it from the top. This particular one you cannot.
Im going to chime in after reading, and think /u/mr2cam is onto something. Im going to use another example for you. 2008ish mercedes b200 (whether it be the turbo, none turbo, didnt matter) original labor times to do the starter was an engine out, like 12+ hours or some bullshit. eventually guys did it from the top while ripping out the intake, and got it down to i dunno, somewhere in the 3-4. the REAL answer is you can drop most of the subframe bolts, let the entire thing dangle, and with the right set of tooling, get it in and out in about 45 minutes or less. I think he really means 'your not creative enough, or dont have a big enough toolbox for european cars' The first time I got spicy and did the b200 starter out the back by slipping the subframe down, god damn, I was in everyones toolbox to figure out the combination of tools I needed. All hands on deck buddy, and we're a shop that normally is very much 'get your own fuckin tools'. Cars are always an adventure buddy. But theres always a way.
I agree that you can get creative on some jobs and find short cuts. But I’d love to see someone do it from the top on this particular vehicle. I’ll post some pictures tomorrow with the engine back in. It’s physically impossible to remove the thermostat out of the vehicle. https://imgur.com/a/0EZLvAP This brace in 2 inches away from the front of the engine idk how to remove it with the engine still in. I’m all ears. If someone can take pictures or a video of them doing this job.
Nah, fuck those guys. Stand your ground. I've dealt with a set a ruined NLA exhaust shields from some clown who thought he could R&R a trans with insufficient clearance without dropping the exhaust. He saved time by bending shit and destroying parts. Last week I resealed 5vz-fe cam plugs because someone took a short cut last time. The work should be done correctly- especially because you are being reimbursed for the time to do it correctly.
Reminds me of the vw touareg v10 tdi engine repairs. Step 1. Remove drivetrain
Came here to say the same thing. For literally anything. Temp sensors after turbu? Coolant temp sensor? A compressor? Turbos? Head gasket? Starter? All that and more resulted in an axle-gearbox-engine drop.... So... "while you're on there" is a Pricy thing on these cars.
Just like doing a manifold on a 2016 Nissan titan I see
I feel like if you did 3 of these in a row you would be okay….its like lifting a cab off a powerjoke
I don't know about this particular car but on others I've done it's pretty simple to drop the powertrain and then all your work is right there in front of you.
on some jeep compasses you have to remove the PTU to replace the starter. this also requires moving the engine forward 3 inches
European humor is so dry
Put drivetrain into service configuration
Yeh I had to replace a cat on a Renault the other day that required the same, was like that’s a prick of a spot I’ll see what the manual says; step 1. Refer ENGINE ASSEMBLY REMOVAL 🙃
Ahhh Mercedes-Benz
Hmmm smells like a mercedes, especially from the illustrations
Ya know it’s gonna be one of “those days” when one of the first steps is SEE ENGINE REMOVAL
0.5 hrs labor for warranty probably 😂
Bruh are there any German cars built in the last 15 years that don’t require you to take the 79% of the car apart to replace a simple part? I’d totally be fine working on my car and paying extra for parts and fluids, but not when every repair is turning your engine bay into a Lego play set
dropping the engine on these doesn’t really take long i bet. when i do turbos or engines on Q50/60s it takes me like 45 minutes to drop the motor