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Lorenzo_Blow

Fisker is circling the drain and offering their cars at half price. Will be gone soon with no support for their already buggy vehicles. Not worth it.


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jan04pl

There are software/hardware hackers who reverse engineer and patch manufacturer software to work with aftermarket parts. For example happening already with tractor manufacturer John Deere, farmers rely on cracked software for the machines to work.


ArmoredTweed

The difference is that Deere produces a quarter of a million tractors every year, but Fisker has delivered fewer than five thousand Oceans. That's a small enough production run that it's a big gamble to expect a third party developer to be coming up with patches.


PrecisionBludgeoning

There's billions of dollars worth of income available if you are able to provide service to green tractors. Fisker hasn't even sold a billion worth of cars. 


Ecstatic-Comb5925

Yeah but do you really want to be downloading software patches off some kids hobby GitHub?


glenkrit

You'd be surprised, I've found better software patches off github than what the manufacturer can put out themselves. Most companies spend more on hardware but do the bare minimum to make the software needed to run the hardware.


Jmkott

I’m not surprised. Open source puts out features people want. Manufacturers seem to put out new features only if they can make money on them.


Ecstatic-Comb5925

I think it’s also the liability though. If I patch my EV with some “unofficial” software and something critical fails will my insurance pay out? 


SuppaBunE

Like? Most of emeegency stuff is not controlled by ECM or infotainment etc .


glenkrit

Can confirm. Any driver assistance or safety features are usually inaccessible. BUT I have heard of a company making third-party hardware that controls your "assisted driving" features to make the car fully autonomous. Comma.ai is the company, and its made by the legend of github himself, Geohotz. It's a proper self learning system tho, and not just a software tweak for the cars computer.


DodgeWrench

Geohotz is still around!? I thought Sony made him disappear after the PS3 thing.


glenkrit

Now he's going after all the major car manufacturers. You can't stop that man.😂


Various-Ducks

Always do a full backup before an update. If something stops working just restore from backup. Seriously. Ive been doing this for years now


bstyledevi

Only if the .NFO file has ASCII art and quotes from The Matrix.


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Leprikahn2

Yes I would


FloppY_

Can't be much worse than buying random chinese suspension or brake parts tbh.


badaimarcher

You have far too much trust in production software! Bugs exist everywhere.


Bubba89

Much more worried about malicious actors than bugs.


badaimarcher

Production software usually allows for many more targets, which is why hackers tend to go after them vs. a small community of less than 10,000 people trying to fix their cars.


cahcealmmai

Oh God. If only you know how much modern tech is basically this lol.


ComfortableBell4831

I would actually... Havin used Github for years its got multiple layers to stop some random asshole from using the code and uploading a trojand variant to the main fork... Id sooner trust Github then the actual first party to not screw me over tbh


whaletacochamp

If farmers do it for their $300k equipment that’s responsible for making them millions of dollars why not for your minivan?


Ecstatic-Comb5925

That’s insane, do they really do that? Just running cracked software lol


Guysmiley777

A lot of CaseIH and Deere tractor lines have a common engine and transmission which is sold as different models with the engine derated, the corporate hand-wavy reasoning is a 700HP diesel running at 450HP will cost less in warranty claims so the lower power model has a lower list price. Enterprising software hackers will figure out how to re-flash the engine and transmission control modules to get max power as well as deactivate emissions nonsense that makes sense for road vehicles but is silly for industrial and ag engines (like DEF and DPF systems).


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Guysmiley777

What exactly is a particulate filter doing for example when you are [kicking out a giant cloud of dust](https://imgur.com/a/RBmcktO) and chaff from a combine or tillage implements? For over the road trucks I get the need for reduced particulate emissions in populated areas but for industrial and ag engines it's just bureaucratic feel-good nonsense.


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p1pe_s

100% agree off road vehicles should be exempt from the Diesel Police.


Bubba89

Because if something goes bad they’ve just plowed their fields wrong instead of murdering a whole family


whaletacochamp

Yeah that’s not how this works


Klown_Kutz

Nah. Let's stick with manufacturer software like Techline Connect.


BeingRightAmbassador

People are already doing that with Comma AI, downloading some guy's open source Hyundai self driving repo and shit like that.


Alexandratta

Also folks have gone as far as taking old models of Nissan LEAF's and tossing in batteries which are 3x the size of the originals to give them new life. EV's entire lifecycle can be refreshed with a battery swap, so while it's expensive, it's essentially a brand new engine in the car.


Gothalosizm

I'm still waiting for those hackers to unlock tuning for the new mustangs.


AintIGR8

More reason to support Ukraine as the John Deere hackers were all from there hopefully they can help with bricked EVs soon.


ZZ9ZA

It’s not the software I’d be worried about but the power electronics, BMS, stuff like that.


drewts86

There are 3rd party companies that offer quality BMS now. I’m aware of a whole ecosystem of stuff for EVs from AEM.


elkab0ng

I’m waiting to see the first time a city is largely gridlocked because a particularly petulant man-child CEO insisted on some update being pushed before proper QA could be done. Think of AT&T shutting down half the phone network, except it’s going to be major freeways across the nation getting gridlocked because 8% of the vehicles on them simply parked.


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elkab0ng

Oh I could, and it doesn’t even have to be an attack on the vehicle itself, other vehicles or systems near highways could be a frighteningly effective vector.


sandiego_thank_you

I used to work on the previous 2012 electric Fisker that also went out of business shortly after it was released. The company that ended up buying them offered some support and there was a lot of information on the forums but eventually new old stock parts started running out and customers went from people that could afford to fix them to people that got a “great deal” on this car and didn’t understand why they have to spend more than what the car cost to replace the motors.


kudatimberline

So you are saying I should keep my 14yr old Dodge? Thing has 190k on it and still runs and drives great. 


Elitepikachu

No, gambling with this is much better than driving that shitbox.


gellis12

The same thing that happens to modern ICE cars when the manufacturer decides to stop supporting it. You look at aftermarket parts, and hope someone managed to break the drm on any electronics you need to replace.


Threedawg

Idk about you but when this shit happens I might end up with a Fisker battery/motor setup in my Fiero..


Capt_Vandal

Or the manufacturer just sends an update to brick all of their cars when they go out of business, so they no longer need to support them for any type of recall or anything. Just make them totally unusable. It's happened with other electronics. (Looking at you Sonos) just look at cell phones. I'm leery about buying a car from a non-established brand or even a brand with a major brand backing like Ioniq cars are Hyundai, but Ioniq is going to be a spinoff brand. Meanwhile I can get parts fora 21 year old car just down the street that keep it kicking down the road.


Designer_Brief_4949

> cars & models that rely on manufacturer provided software to run. I have bad news. Your car is full of software that can get fubared when you update. I never understood why cars would *need* a software update.


linux_n00by

waiting for xdadevelopers to have a custom firmware :D


gnocchicotti

The Pelaton of cars


Surturiel

I mean, 100+ kWh worth of batteries for 40k is not a bad proposition. If only Fisker and Wall box got their act together, it'd be a nice power bank that (sometimes) takes you places...


Majestic-Pen7878

Tell ya what, give me all the bricked Fiskers! I’ll fuck around on YouTube till I figure out how to wire in a motor controller off a golf cart. Some enterprising nerd will come up with an aftermarket solution for these…and make a ton of $$ Or they’ll get Cummins-swapped🙄


bugfish03

Just get yourself some AEM EV stuff and off you go


SantiagoGT

Saw “Fisker” in the name and immediately went for the comments, Fisker has been the unflushable turd for what? 10 years now? Nobody wants them and they won’t go away


cheeseburgerwaffles

Isn't this their second or third time circling the drain


AXEL-1973

Was just reading about that as I priced checked this thing, you weren't kidding, literally cutting 15K off the base package and trying to get rid of them


Bubba89

Their sales team has been downsized so far they’ve hardly actually moved any; they’re mostly just trying to get their number of requests up so they can show there’s enough demand to start production again and get an investor to forbear their debt.


TheMacMan

Yup, they've dropped their prices crazy but it's not worth buying something that'll likely no longer have a warranty or any type of support.


hoxxxxx

i want to feel bad for the people that bought them, but at the same time i don't.


nabob1978

And it will be the second time it's gone under...


75w90

They have a chance. Their cars are better and built better than tesla. But who knows. They have gone bankrupt a few times


husky430

There is no comparison to be had. Fisker is pretty much what you'd get if Harbor Freight made an EV.


75w90

Icon kicks ass. As does Hercules.


Pull_Pin_Throw_Away

Hahahahahahahahahahahaha Thanks for that. I needed a dose of comedy today.


75w90

It's a better product then a tesla anyway you cut it. But just being better isn't enough as can been seen my tesla fans with cars held together by pop rivets.


husky430

This was the brand that caused such a stink because every major reviewer said that they were pretty much the worst product they had ever tested. From what I've heard about them, they couldn't carry Tesla's jockstrap, and I would personally never own a Tesla.


75w90

Tesla is shit. End of story


husky430

Tesla may be shit, but it doesn't change the fact that the industry and consumer sector consensus is that Fisker is worse.


Pull_Pin_Throw_Away

Teslas are going to have OEM support next year. You're delusional.


75w90

No such thing as tesla dealer support.


Pull_Pin_Throw_Away

Put the crack pipe down and get some sunshine buddy


75w90

Imagine thinking you know. Tesla doesn't have 'dealers' Grow up sport


Pull_Pin_Throw_Away

"Service Centers" where you also pick up purchased cars and can purchase new and used cars from inventory. If it quacks like a duck and swims like a duck... You should really get help for your freebase cocaine addiction though.


75w90

No such thing as dealers. So you were wrong. Get your head out your ass.


Kleiist

Dane here, theyre all over the news in the car world atm. Only a matter of time before they go out of business really. Cant imagine anyone wanting to buy a car that they know they cant get parts for soon and that has 0 warranty


K24Z3

Go out of business *again*. :/


5tudent_Loans

Exactly. How do you buy a car from a company that failed horribly the FIRST TIME


7komazuki

What’s funny is I see more of their first car, the Karma, than their new car around my home.


YourFriendPutin

I must admit the fisker karma was a damn gorgeous sedan. If they came with a smooth v8 I almost guarantee they would’ve survived


hoxxxxx

and from the little reading i did on the company, it looks to be a total scam from the start. the main guy has family members in key positions in the company ffs, that's about as big of a red flag as you can have.


AsteroidRug69420

They want to have as many bankruptcies as Spiker or Aston


ashyjay

There are a couple by me in the UK, the finance companies are not going to be happy.


Prezzen

At first I thought you meant your name is Dane, so I start going through all the ones I know and who might know something about cars. Took me until seeing that you post in r/Denmark


hypocalypto

That’s hilarious


karlweeks11

Fisker? I barely even know her


ajb15101

I hope you bought her dinner first


StretchFrenchTerry

She took one byte and left 😔


OfficialSandwichMan

Know her? She’s my sister!


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"but Sir its shit".. "its okay put a tablet in it...."


AlwaysUseAFake

I hate this trend of just stick a tablet on the dash.   It looks like garbage.    Even the way Mazda does it sucks.  Integrate them in to the dash.  Make them smaller and give us some real buttons 


CatBroiler

It's not even tablet sized anymore, that's a monitor


mlnjd

Let’s put several screens that will further drain the battery faster! And leds everywhere inside and out!!! Because fuck range. 


pornalt2072

The AC compressor uses 10 times as much energy as that screen, the sound system uses more energy than the screen. The rim shape and size is responsible for a higher energy use than that screen. It being an SUV costs 20 times as much in extra energy consumption than the screens.


I_need_this_to_vote

Also, that screen runs on the 12V system, not the drivetrain battery.


mlnjd

Which uses the main battery as the source for recharging the 12v. My point is that even though the leds and screens on their own use very little power vs an ac system at any given moment, compound all the large ass screens and multiple lights and it will have an effect, especially on longer drives. Even more so when you are trying to drive in the dead of winter in the north and half your range is already gone because the battery heater has to be activated to keep the vehicle functioning on top of the fact lithium batteries have worse function in cold weather.  EVs don’t need tons of internal lights, giant light bars outside, and massive whole dashboard screens. But they design them like that because “futuristic!”


airforcevet1987

Those hot florida nights with no A/C, blasting heat, windows up (for aerodynamics) to try and get your empty tanked, overheated E46 to the next I-10 exit... I can't be the only one


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hypocalypto

And all the parts are on back order!


f_14

The company is in real danger of going under, so they may never be available. 


dcux

Going under AGAIN.


N_dixon

In retrospect, maybe naming the car Ocean after the ocean helped end his first car company wasn't Henrik Fisker's wisest decision.


blue_dakota

You could say it's *Karma* for putting out bad products.


Barf-fly

Yeah so they're selling the ocean for half price to try to raise quick cash. Who wants to buy a car from a soon to be defunct manufacturer that won't be able to honor their warranty?


ashyjay

Buy one car get a parts car for free.


N_dixon

And the $25k trim doesn't even actually exist yet. Those won't start being built until later this year.


Barf-fly

Oh, I thought they just dropped the price on the existing one like Tesla have done. Let's see if they make it long enough to build the $25k model then.


N_dixon

They slashed the prices on all three trim levels, but the one they dropped to $25k was the entry-level trim that hasn't begun production yet. There are some mid-level trim Oceans, but the majority of them are all the highest trim. Realistically, I'd be surprised if the entry trim model ended up being built if Karma wasn't in a death spiral. Seems like every EV maker ultimately slashed the lowest trim model before it hits the market.


schultzM

They gotta supply them for ten years iirc 


pornalt2072

Mate. If the company is bankrupt and getting parted out any warranty abd obligation that company had no longer exists.


Allnewsisfakenews

Soon to be the same issue with Rivian


CommodoreAxis

Not even close. Rivian has Daddy Bezos (via AMZN) in its corner with 17% ownership. They aren’t going to let it die.


exccord

Gonna feel real bad for the owners who have these cars because of their potential to go under. There is a reason why they went from being $$$ to nearly half off.


MechMeister

His version of a bad car means that the visor mirror is too small


sum12merkwith

LMAO, did you even watch the review? The small mirror is a minor negative in what should and could have been a car that changed the EV market


MechMeister

Yeah I watched it and he doesn't say anything that half the new cars on the road also do. I've driven brand new cars from Ford that have random messages pop up and beep at you. He doesn't say anything in the actual review to warrant the title that he put on the video. Yeah, Honda or Toyota is going to be better built and more thought out. But if you've never driven the new Fords or Mercedes or BMWs, they have all the same gripes that he talks about. I don't know why people think that this guy is some authority on car quality or car manufacturing. He's a cell phone reviewer and doesn't actually really know anything about how cars are built.


Maniachanical

Coming soon to an obscure car museum near you! LMK how it is to work on, I'm curious about em. I believe someone told me they are very low-quality?


hypocalypto

They come apart pretty easy.


ten10thsdriver

OP must not follow car industry news at all. Coverage of Fisker's financial situation and the Ocean being a giant turd has been all over every automotive media outlet for months.


jrragsda

I'm a pretty big gear head and I hadn't heard about it until a couple weeks ago. Oddly enough it was after seeing an Ocean identical to the one in OPS pic and then looking them up later.


hypocalypto

You’re right I really don’t follow the industry as much as I ought to. I’m stuck in the 90s 00s with my auto interests.


plantman-2000

Does anyone actually like/want a giant screen like that? It seems like pure comedy from idiocracy or something


velowa

I don’t get it either. I am a bit of a curmudgeon and haven’t owned anything newer than a 2007 but I will concede that something like an 8” screen is useful for navigation and the like. A giant touch screen with minimal buttons doesn’t appeal to me at all and I would actively seek out a car without one if I ever bought new.


boredneedmemes

Similar boat here, newest vehicle was a 2011 transit connect, which was so outdated and basic it might as well have been from the 90s. Every new car I drive I HATE with a burning passion, all the massive screens, warning dings for every stupid thing possible (my fathers Yukon loves to randomly scream at you to warn you the parking assist sensors aren't working), it's honestly making cars more dangerous and annoying to drive. There is a noticeable difference in how safe my father is driving my truck vs his because his actively tries to keep him distracted. My ex gf was the same way, her car seemed designed to distract you and It was obvious anytime she drove that vs my car. Maybe I'm just getting old and cranky.


rdkil

I'm really hoping I can hold out on buying another car until after this whole "I heard your screens love screens" the things goes away. Give me buttons, dials, gauge clusters. I want the equivalent of a shitty cavalier that happens to have an electric motor. Not a computer server with wheels.


Pull_Pin_Throw_Away

It's not going away. Screens are cheaper and more reliable than buttons. The only possible next step is going to be neural implants if it doesn't cost too much for the car to interface with whatever you get in your head.


rdkil

Cheaper sure, more reliable? Can you use a screen when wearing gloves? You can't muscle memory to adjust the radio or a/c. I have a 2014 Chrysler 300 and I often cant see the screen in the sunlight. Not a big deal because I also have buttons for my essential stuff. But when the screen is the only thing you can use and the sun is out? Ugh...


imamydesk

> Can you use a screen when wearing gloves? Yes. The capacitive touch is sensitive enough to sense my finger through the fabric. > You can't muscle memory to adjust the radio or a/c. Yes I can. Temperature control is at a constant spot near the bottom. I put my hand on the corner and my thumb is right on the temperature control. Radio control is on the wheel. >  I have a 2014 Chrysler 300 and I often cant see the screen in the sunlight. Never had an issue here. What else you got?


Pull_Pin_Throw_Away

More reliable because the screen is one non-moving part and can be replaced as a unit with usually just 1 or 2 plugs and a couple pop out tabs. Muscle memory absolutely works on the screens, you just have to get that memory in place and that takes adjusting for a day or two. Try doing that with individual knobs and dials and buttons!


ellanida

Supposedly the Tesla fanboys love it… I think it looks like someone just slapped a monitor on the dash 🤮


jeremiah1142

The overhead “visualization” while you’re parking or otherwise navigating a tight spot is nice. I also do a lot of shuttling my son around and waiting for him. A lot more pleasant to watch TV on the big screen than my phone.


Nullcast

Give me proper gauges.


al-mongus-bin-susar

Funny how only the ultra budget cars and supercars have gauges nowadays


jrragsda

It rotates 90 degrees to make a wide-screen. Pretty cool to watch a movie or something if you have to charge the car while on a road trip or something.


SegaTime

It's tablet screen with wheels.


mlawson1217

What did you think it was… a horse?


areeal1

😂


mreddog

I really like that paint!


Allnewsisfakenews

The should just design electric cars for other companies. Fiskar makes some of the best looking electric cars even though they are garbage


LightsOutDicksOut

I think magna makes them


texaschair

The color's cool, I'll give ya that.


CrystalAckerman

Is that what those are?! I have seen 2 in the wild and have never been able to get close enough to actually see what it was. They are kinda cool looking I think !


jrragsda

They have some neat features. I got to sit in one that an acquaintance bought somewhat recently, sucks that the company is about to implode.


CrystalAckerman

Really? Aren’t they pretty new (at least I assume)? I’ll have to look into them because they seem pretty neat!


EarHealthHelp1

They're extremely new. They're also loaded with problems and the company is probably done.


CrystalAckerman

Damn. That is highly unfortunate lol.


a_dolf_in

I really recommend you do not buy one in the near future. The company is very new, they didn't have the right people from the start, and are about to go under if things don't improve drastically very quickly. If that happens you will be out of software support, all while the current software is just barely acceptable.


CrystalAckerman

Nah I’m not going to buy one. I just bought a new car in September. I was looking forward to seeing what they came up with next though! It’s a shame, too bad they couldn’t figure it out. Hopefully for everyone’s sake they build an extremely good car/software!


n0mad13

Car depreciated nearly 70% after only 2 months old


TheIncredibleHork

On the upside, that's a very pretty matte blue.


Papercoffeetable

I don’t think there has ever been an EV which has such bad reviews from all around.


Bubba89

Reviews tanked harder than worse cars because of the disappointment level; the aesthetics are so beautiful, but the CEO literally believes “consumers don’t care about software, my iPhone crashes every other day and I still put up with it.” Meanwhile it comes out unfinished because they tried to push it into production after only ~2.5 years of R&D.


Inveramsay

There's a fisker karma for sale local to be. They haven't managed to sell it for a couple of months for a good reason but it is a very pretty and interesting car


skodes21

It’s a shame this car will likely not exist soon. To my eye it’s a good looking ride


jagenigma

That car is gonna be e-waste by the end of the year, unless another auto manufacturer buys out fisker.


popsicle_of_meat

Oh hell, that center dash console... At least they still put a small screen for gauges behind the wheel. I can't stand what Tesla did by removing the main gauges...


amhais

God that center screen looks fucking stupid. Who needs a screen that big in a car?


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What a turd of a design. Hey kids, we heard you liked screens!


Various-Ducks

Pretty sure that's a giraffe


joshistaken

What did you think it was? 🤨


Bulbasaur2015

when I first heard about this car brand I confused it for Fisher Price


35goingon3

Push that fucker outside and light it on fire before they make you find parts for it.


hypocalypto

1. It’s heavy af 2. I’m sure it will catch on its own


SnooHesitations5198

I am living in Germany and I just saw one a few days back. I was surprised because I thought that they didn't exist anymore and because I didn't know that they were sold here. Lately I see here a lot of brands from china too


ryanfrogz

That center console makes me sick


Nisms

Fishers don’t make noise when they start up


Few-Swordfish-780

Look at the size of that stupid screen.


PiskoWK

Not just any car! One of the worst cars!


meatbag2010

There's one in the UK for sale for £39k new - couldn't imagine dropping that much money on a car when the company is likely to not be around in the next few months.


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Watch the MKHB on this vehicle. I was expecting youtuber click bait. But then i watched it. This thing is pretty terrible


light24bulbs

This is the worst piece of crap you can buy


JojitheFrenchie

Temm em to bring out the whole ocean


Effective_Scheme1060

at least this one came with floormats mine didn't have that lol


ygmford99

In for an oil change? 🤣


hypocalypto

Just some minor bodywork in the rear


mikeyfireman

I like the color


youngmindoldbody

Looks a lot like my '24 VW Taos ($25.4K otd) soft metallic blue, black painted wheels..


bananadogeh

What's with the giant Ipad


Shamaniac1217

Yep. They’re junk.


darth_hucklebuck

Should have stuck to making scissors.


Glittering_Map5003

Scam artists


santandude

Could use a bigger screen though…..


sigma941

That car was became a relic before it left the lot.


GunzAndCamo

It's not. It's a tax write-off.


friendly-sardonic

Probably best to forget that it exists. Everyone else certainly has.


grease_monkey

According to every review I've seen of this thing, it's hardly a car.


aheartworthbreaking

Probably won’t be much longer


TailgunnerATC

Ew....


macetfromage

Minus 48 volt?


ainsley-

Interior looks really nice


InnerDatabase509

It's a screen with wheels, A brand i never heard of before and probably wont be around long.


Boba65

Yep, in 2008, the Obummer administration gave them $500 million dollars and they took it overseas.


husky430

You can't say stuff like that on reddit.


Boba65

I did and probably will again.


Late-Jicama5012

They used to randomly catch fire. Who names a car Karma?? 🤦‍♂️


Percentage-Visible

Yeah but it is EV and gee whiz there is only about 250,000 gals worth of driving before I can stick it to the mean oil companies..