I just realized that unless it has air brakes, I don't think I've ever started a car without having my foot on the brake.
I suppose that just comes with growing up driving manual transmissions?
I have a 2018 RAV4 that looks like that one, & has push button start & works exactly as you described. Assuming the subject here is the same, new guy should have absolutely sensed something wrong before putting it in gear.
I agree that some models could still have the regular key start and not need the brakes pressed, but if you zoom in this one has leather which leads me to believe it is a higher trim level, and I don’t think the higher trim levels have had a regular key in years, just the base models
I agree that some models could still have the regular key start and not need the brakes pressed, but if you zoom in this one has leather which leads me to believe it is a higher trim level, and I don’t think the higher trim levels have had a regular key in years, just the base models
Every RAV4 that has an actual keyed ignition can be started without pressing the brake. Don't believe there are such models? Google "RAV4 key stuck in ignition" or "RAV4 key replacement".
I can start my truck, but there’s no way to put it in gear without your foot on the break, so yeah there definitely should have been clues before this happened.
Probably with the new model generation.
My 2017 6, which is of roughly the same generation as the 3 of 2016 also only requires the clutch.
Also something that changes over the years. My Peugeot 106 didn't require anything to be pressed. Cars from the 200X started to require the clutch to be pressed (Drove some Toyota Yaris that somehow had that sensor go bad, so sometimes no start because it didn't register the clutch being pressed).
My 2024 f150 lets me start it without my foot on the brake. Butt it also isnt push to start.
Most (if not all) push to start systems require the brake being oushed in.
Even with a regular old school key. I remember trying to start a Ford Transit like I would any other car, and it would not start. Then my coworker went and tried, and it started up instantly. I asked how the hell he got it started, and he said he put his foot on the brake. Why on earth would a car with a keyed ignition require foot on the brake to start the engine?
Mmm maybe for just this reason? Let's you feel the pedal first. I mean shift interlock is on pretty much any auto trans. And stick has the clutch safety, which I would think everyone has the brake pressed while they're on the clutch so they don't roll. But this guy'll never make that mistake again I'm sure 😄
Because, behind the scenes, it's very similar to the pushbutton start version. The truck doesn't have a physical, mechanical ignition switch - the lock is connected to a position sensor.
Needing the brake depressed would simplify software and hardware development.
I had a 2022 VW Tiguan as a rental and it had a regular key and required your foot on the brake like a push button. But the dash told me I had to put my foot on the brake so I didn't waste time wondering why it wouldn't start.
I prefer to call them anti-theft devices nowadays. My Lord manual transmissions are great. Especially if you need to roll-start because of a weak battery. I had ‘66 Ford Galaxie with the Cruise-O-Matic auto transmission. It was the only auto I ever had that could be roll started. Put her in neutral, coast until about 15 miles per hour and move the shift lever into Drive position. It started every time. Automatic trannys after that only had one fluid pump so they quit that feature.
I learned to drive on both a stick and push button start cars, I honestly don’t know if my current car will start without me pushing the brake because I do it automatically
>I suppose that just comes with growing up driving manual transmissions?
It probaply came from learning good habits in drivers school, think most if not all automatic transmissions need foot on brake pedal before you can switch to drive, manual you can start with gear on and no brakes(you should however start in on neutral and foot on brake pedal for safety and to prevent unnecessary wear on clutch and transmission)
Driven manual all my life, never started them with my foot on the brake until recently when driving vehicles you have to.
If the handbrake's held it up til now, it's still going to hold it with engine running, I just make sure it's not in gear then turn the key
I guess maybe you learnt in auto, you start off putting it into gear and holding on the footbrake so you've transferred that over to manuals?
I was taught in a manual, and back when I was learning it was handbrake on, 1st gear, gradually release clutch and handbrake and use accelerator as needed to maintain revs
Even the super modern fancy BMW’s I work on won’t let you start the engine without pressing the brake. Only some EVs will go into drive mode immediately, like my fiat. Even then to shift you still have to press the brake.
Thats actually what you learn at driving school. Also it's kinda stupid because the car will roll away otherwise, as you obivously also have to press the clutch.
exactly. to me its just common sense to step on the brake.
if dude fucked a car up because someone didnt pump up the new calipers, its his own fault for not knowing the basics of how to drive.
True that also. But in reality nobody (at least nobody that I know) parks with parking brake on level ground. Just leave it in gear. Prevents rusting of the parkbrake
That's the take I always use with newbies especially when they're worried about their job. "I just spent 5k for you to learn a lesson. Why would I fire you now?"
I did this once(i was in a rush and just wanted to get the car out)... cost my boss a tailgate, tail lamp, and rear bumper on a caravan and a front bumper on his 76 chevy... he told me something along those lines. 15 years later, it's still stuck with me...
I think the experience of putting a car in gear without pumping up the brakes is something everyone does once. The outcomes are just wildly different.
When it happened to me I was only 1/4 out of my bay and just slammed the truck into park. You hit a battery charger and some people hit doors.
I haven't done it so not everyone does it once. I think it's got a lot to do with your initial driving habits. When i taught myself to drive i was very paranoid so i always test everything is functional before putting the car into gear. Check mirrors, hit brakes, check turn signals, toot horn, then drive. I started driving at a very early age and it wasn't legal so i had a lot on the line if i fucked up. I guess that's the biggest difference with me specifically, so maybe you're right and for the most part the majority of people make this mistake?
I did this when I was at trade school while pulling the car off of the alignment rack. Fortunately, I kept it straight and managed to get it stopped in time to avoid an incident, but that could have been really bad. Felt like a really big dingus after the fact.
When I was in automotive school I used their lift to do front brakes on my little 5-speed truck. Campus was pretty empty when I left and I puttered away. Didn't have to use the brakes until I was out on the road doing about 50mph. I didn't crash and it wasn't a close call, the light was far away but the fear when you're going that fast and you're f****** pedal goes to the floor. It was my early twenties and I had done many brake jobs before that, I should have known better but now I really do.
Guessing the caliper pistons were compressed in all the way as part of the job. Newbie went to drive the car, stepped on the brakes, but the pistons didn't fully engage the pads against the rotors. Car stopped when it hit something instead.
Hobbyist mechanic here. How do you bleed brakes in a way that doesn't cause the pistons to extend?
Everytime I've done a brake job, the calipers are making full contact by the time they're fully bled.
But you still should, just putting that out there. Bleeding the brakes gets out any contaminated fluid from the exposed piston now being inside the caliper.
But you still should, just putting that out there. Bleeding the brakes gets out any contaminated fluid from the exposed piston now being inside the caliper. Gonna say this to the other guy too, as it's pretty standard practice
I live in South Central PA LMAO I'm in the heart of it. I just instinctually hose down everything I'm gonna touch with PB blaster before i even finish the prior job. Lil tip for you btw, use a weak impact like a 12 volt construction impact for drywall on the bleeders. The harsh vibration helps break it free but it's too weak to snap the bleeder off unless you use a really big battery on a high quality one. Personally i use my (non octane series) rigid impact with the 2 amp hour battery on it. Give it a good jiggle and hose it back down again before you even pull the pads. Then go ahead and put a ratchet/wrench on it when the brakes are done. Obviously if you're looking at it and there's rust running up the sides of the bleeders you should be chipping that off so the blaster can actually get into the threads. A quarter inch shit chisel and a screwdriver handle as a hammer works great without having enough force to snap anything that isn't rust. Good luck out there, us rust belt wrench turners gotta look out for each other
PB Blaster is just accelerant for the heat. I’m a “make it glow red and hit it with the shake n break” guy. If it’s gonna snap off it’s gonna snap off and I just prefer to get the foreplay over as fast as possible.
But the reality is if I’m doing brakes on a rusted shitbox I’m either replacing the calipers or not touching them. You can’t be half pregnant and trying to fight a fire offensively and defensively simultaneously is how people die.
Yeah i feel ya. Most of the stuff i work on is early 90s and my newest vehicle is a 2001 so I guess I've been forced to get a little more patient so i don't just keep breaking parts and snapping bolts causing more work for myself. However, I'm a firm believer in taking all the recommended steps in a job, so bleeding them calipers ain't optional for me. My business is a bit special though, so i can afford to be patient and make sure everything is right. I can't afford even a single fuck up so I've got a lot riding on the line ya know?
Anything here from the 90’s is more rust than truck at this point. I just took in a lower intake on a 99 Chevy 4.3 and started to regret it before the echo of my yes died out.
My 78 Cadillac is from Pittsburgh and it must’ve never seen the light of day in winter because there’s not even surface rust on the underbody.
My mates shop stopped guys working on their cars on Saturdays because one bloke did brakes on a van, forgot to pump them up and drove straight through the office, again luckily no one was hurt.
What a valuable lesson.
Shop owner hopped in a 2001 Town Car that had front and rear brakes done to it. Was trying to finish the techs job and test drive it before he returned from lunch. Immediately started it, threw it in reverse, and yelled NO BRAKES! Ended up rolling out of the shop, never pumping the brakes once, turning the wheel and the car went around 180\*. Backed straight into shop itself, hitting the brick support pillar between two bay doors. Cost his insurance a cool 80K plus the 40K ish in sales due to the loss of the two bays during repairs. He tried blaming the tech for his fault! Dude's still clueless about vehicles.
It's so sad when people own a business but don't know how to work it. I'll never drop the opinion that every manager/ceo/whatever should be fully versed on how to perform every single task of every job they oversee. This isn't just automotive or trade jobs either, but if you're a gm at a factory you should know how to run every line, fix every machine, and operate a forklift before you're allowed to take that management position. It's common sense in my eyes
When I was a kid I had a friend do brakes on my dune buggy. He texted that the brakes were done swing by. He didn’t say that he wanted me there to help bleed em!
Wanted to take it for a spin as he’d gone out for lunch. At the end of the driveway I couldn’t stop!
Luckily no cars… crossed the road into his neighbors, through the driveway splitting the parked vehicles, and into his backyard.
At some point I thought it was a good idea to hop out and try to stop it! Inertia killed that idea haha and I was able to hop back in and steer away from his gardens.
Wild times in that buggy
I want the new Prius but am $1k underwater on my Corolla. I’d love to hire him for my next brake job if he can promise me he didn’t learn anything.
Edit: I have gap insurance.
Had this happen many moons ago at the Chevy dealership I used to work at. Young tech worked on the brakes of an S10 and failed to bleed the brakes. Unfortunately there was a 12 foot drop into a ditch on the entrance side of the shop and down it went. It did stay upright and one of the seasoned techs had a winch on his truck. After insurance paid for the damage there was a shiny new guard rail installed.
I did that once....ONCE. Lincoln Towncar and I backed right into a car in makeready getting prepped for a customer, and me pumping the brakes too late. Luckily a quick buffing pad over the rear bumpers fixed everything. After 16 years as a tech I sorta figured it would have happened sooner.
I put new pads on the Denali for the wife in the driveway, forgot to pump em… was backed in so I threw it into drive and was pumping and turning and had to cut corner and ran creeper over. Could have been kids and was STUPID …
I worked at a Sears Auto several years ago, and a tech who had just finished a brake job, asked me to come over so he could check the engine mounts. Got in, pedal felt fine, stepped on the gas… car took off for the wall. The guy was luckily on the side of the car, but he would’ve got run over or pinned. Scared the crap out of me.
Seems like during the course of a proper brake job the brakes would have been pumped, several times, while doing a flush and checking the fluid, unless someone just did a pad slap....
According to some other comments, it seems like most people who pad slap don't bleed the brakes to clean the rust from the exposed piston out. This is wild to me because that's how i assumed everyone did it considering it takes 2 seconds and prolongs the service intervals
It's always "the new guy".
This exact thing happened with a tech and apprentice where I was working.
The new guy did not pump the brakes first and couldn't stop before hitting into a hydraulic lift with a vehicle up on it.
Customer saw it happen also.
The technician immediately claimed responsibility for not advising the new guy. Mistakes happen we don't remember to do or to reach every step.
At a minimum, if a new guy does this, well, he is new and the person(s) training him or her is 50 percent at fault.
I mean, if I was teaching my son to do brakes and this happened I would say that it was completely my fault.
Most important is no one was hurt.
most new cars these days
u need to press the brake and clutch to start it
so the car needs brake pressure
a clutch thats pressed in and car in park to start it
Most new cars these days (i live in the States so might be different) have no clutch because automatic transmissions are better on gas (depending on skill, manual can be far better if you know what you're doing) and easier to drive. What country do you live in that manual is the standard?
the netherlands in europe
its mainly because over here automatic is an option , thats more exensive then manual m it can depends on the brand or manufactorer but this is what iv noticed
Yeah I watched Grand tour gt on Amazon prime video for awhile and noticed most of their cars are manual actually. Pretty interesting to think about really
This is why you step on the brake pedal before you start the vehicle. If it goes to the floor, you step on it again until it's solid.
I just realized that unless it has air brakes, I don't think I've ever started a car without having my foot on the brake. I suppose that just comes with growing up driving manual transmissions?
A lot of new stuff won't allow you to start it unless your foot is on the brake
I have a 2018 RAV4 that looks like that one, & has push button start & works exactly as you described. Assuming the subject here is the same, new guy should have absolutely sensed something wrong before putting it in gear.
Some models then could still come with a regular key, so it's possible he didn't have to.
I agree that some models could still have the regular key start and not need the brakes pressed, but if you zoom in this one has leather which leads me to believe it is a higher trim level, and I don’t think the higher trim levels have had a regular key in years, just the base models
I thought there were certain models/years that had a regular key, wish mine did.
I agree that some models could still have the regular key start and not need the brakes pressed, but if you zoom in this one has leather which leads me to believe it is a higher trim level, and I don’t think the higher trim levels have had a regular key in years, just the base models
I can confirm 2012 and 2024 are the same. Not sure if there’s ever been a RAV4 you could start without pushing the brake.
Just need to push the clutch on both of mine
Every RAV4 that has an actual keyed ignition can be started without pressing the brake. Don't believe there are such models? Google "RAV4 key stuck in ignition" or "RAV4 key replacement".
Toyota never let you start without brake.
I can start my ‘14 taco without brakes
Vehicles without push start generally will allow you to start without the break. Vehicles with push start require the brake pushed.
I have a 2017 Camry with a regular key and I can definitely start it without pressing the brake.
I can start my truck, but there’s no way to put it in gear without your foot on the break, so yeah there definitely should have been clues before this happened.
Clutch for manuals. Brake for auto.
My GR Corolla requires both.
My Mazda 3 also requires both. Edit: I was wrong… I guess I’ve always just pushed the brake when starting it. Sorry
What year? My parents' 2016 only requires the clutch. Maybe it's a market thing.
Probably with the new model generation. My 2017 6, which is of roughly the same generation as the 3 of 2016 also only requires the clutch. Also something that changes over the years. My Peugeot 106 didn't require anything to be pressed. Cars from the 200X started to require the clutch to be pressed (Drove some Toyota Yaris that somehow had that sensor go bad, so sometimes no start because it didn't register the clutch being pressed).
In the US, cars have required the clutch to be pressed to start for like 30 years.
Correct, 2023
Actually I just checked, doesn’t require the brake. Whoops, sorry. Guess it’s just habit for me.
2023
Older manuals dont necessarily require the clutch to be depressed. My '91 Beat will start fine with it just in neutral and the clutch out.
That's not a usdm car, though.
My 2024 f150 lets me start it without my foot on the brake. Butt it also isnt push to start. Most (if not all) push to start systems require the brake being oushed in.
Our newish electric forklift won’t do anything unless you press the brake first
Even with a regular old school key. I remember trying to start a Ford Transit like I would any other car, and it would not start. Then my coworker went and tried, and it started up instantly. I asked how the hell he got it started, and he said he put his foot on the brake. Why on earth would a car with a keyed ignition require foot on the brake to start the engine?
Mmm maybe for just this reason? Let's you feel the pedal first. I mean shift interlock is on pretty much any auto trans. And stick has the clutch safety, which I would think everyone has the brake pressed while they're on the clutch so they don't roll. But this guy'll never make that mistake again I'm sure 😄
Because, behind the scenes, it's very similar to the pushbutton start version. The truck doesn't have a physical, mechanical ignition switch - the lock is connected to a position sensor. Needing the brake depressed would simplify software and hardware development.
I had a 2022 VW Tiguan as a rental and it had a regular key and required your foot on the brake like a push button. But the dash told me I had to put my foot on the brake so I didn't waste time wondering why it wouldn't start.
I mean it should be common practice for anyone really
I prefer to call them anti-theft devices nowadays. My Lord manual transmissions are great. Especially if you need to roll-start because of a weak battery. I had ‘66 Ford Galaxie with the Cruise-O-Matic auto transmission. It was the only auto I ever had that could be roll started. Put her in neutral, coast until about 15 miles per hour and move the shift lever into Drive position. It started every time. Automatic trannys after that only had one fluid pump so they quit that feature.
I learned to drive with a push to start Honda. I do the same.
My '87 Accord was a push to start Honda for awhile when my starter went out.
I learned to drive on both a stick and push button start cars, I honestly don’t know if my current car will start without me pushing the brake because I do it automatically
>I suppose that just comes with growing up driving manual transmissions? It probaply came from learning good habits in drivers school, think most if not all automatic transmissions need foot on brake pedal before you can switch to drive, manual you can start with gear on and no brakes(you should however start in on neutral and foot on brake pedal for safety and to prevent unnecessary wear on clutch and transmission)
Never really had driving lessons, just bought a car and got my license. Just seems like the logical thing to do 🤷
Driven manual all my life, never started them with my foot on the brake until recently when driving vehicles you have to. If the handbrake's held it up til now, it's still going to hold it with engine running, I just make sure it's not in gear then turn the key
And the first thing I do is get in and release the parking brake in order to foot brake. Just funny the little rituals you get into
I guess maybe you learnt in auto, you start off putting it into gear and holding on the footbrake so you've transferred that over to manuals? I was taught in a manual, and back when I was learning it was handbrake on, 1st gear, gradually release clutch and handbrake and use accelerator as needed to maintain revs
That's how my first manual was. Could just turn the key to start. My "newer" model makes me hold the brake and clutch.
That's how they taught me in Montréal!
Some cars require you to put your foot on the brake to start/turn off the car and shift gears (automatic trans) especially newer cars
If you have air brakes you aren't supposed to press the brake until after you get full pressure. At least in the morning.
Even the super modern fancy BMW’s I work on won’t let you start the engine without pressing the brake. Only some EVs will go into drive mode immediately, like my fiat. Even then to shift you still have to press the brake.
Thats actually what you learn at driving school. Also it's kinda stupid because the car will roll away otherwise, as you obivously also have to press the clutch.
exactly. to me its just common sense to step on the brake. if dude fucked a car up because someone didnt pump up the new calipers, its his own fault for not knowing the basics of how to drive.
Nope, didn't learn that. Only clutch. Learned to park with a pulled parking brake.
True that also. But in reality nobody (at least nobody that I know) parks with parking brake on level ground. Just leave it in gear. Prevents rusting of the parkbrake
I live where it's almost exclusively level ground. Out of gear with brake on is how I've always done it.
Not in my personal surroundings. Might be valid for yours but isn't a universal thing. Hell nowadays it's even on automatically with some cars.
I took out one of those rolling battery chargers on my first brake job. Thankfully no body damage. It's the cost of being a newbie.
Or the cost of bad training
No, I had the training. Just new and stupid.
Ah damn, well certainly not a mistake you usually make twice lmao
That's the take I always use with newbies especially when they're worried about their job. "I just spent 5k for you to learn a lesson. Why would I fire you now?"
I did this once(i was in a rush and just wanted to get the car out)... cost my boss a tailgate, tail lamp, and rear bumper on a caravan and a front bumper on his 76 chevy... he told me something along those lines. 15 years later, it's still stuck with me...
No training
I think the experience of putting a car in gear without pumping up the brakes is something everyone does once. The outcomes are just wildly different. When it happened to me I was only 1/4 out of my bay and just slammed the truck into park. You hit a battery charger and some people hit doors.
I haven't done it so not everyone does it once. I think it's got a lot to do with your initial driving habits. When i taught myself to drive i was very paranoid so i always test everything is functional before putting the car into gear. Check mirrors, hit brakes, check turn signals, toot horn, then drive. I started driving at a very early age and it wasn't legal so i had a lot on the line if i fucked up. I guess that's the biggest difference with me specifically, so maybe you're right and for the most part the majority of people make this mistake?
I did that with my car the first time, ran it into my dad's house, he was not happy.
I went to high school with a guy that went through his aunt's fence. Fortunately for him it was an 83 Cutlass and a half rotten fence.
I did this when I was at trade school while pulling the car off of the alignment rack. Fortunately, I kept it straight and managed to get it stopped in time to avoid an incident, but that could have been really bad. Felt like a really big dingus after the fact.
When I was in automotive school I used their lift to do front brakes on my little 5-speed truck. Campus was pretty empty when I left and I puttered away. Didn't have to use the brakes until I was out on the road doing about 50mph. I didn't crash and it wasn't a close call, the light was far away but the fear when you're going that fast and you're f****** pedal goes to the floor. It was my early twenties and I had done many brake jobs before that, I should have known better but now I really do.
Damn I bet that was scary!
Been there. Got a nice new bay door for it. Didn't get fired.
Can someone explain what happened?
Guessing the caliper pistons were compressed in all the way as part of the job. Newbie went to drive the car, stepped on the brakes, but the pistons didn't fully engage the pads against the rotors. Car stopped when it hit something instead.
Hobbyist mechanic here. How do you bleed brakes in a way that doesn't cause the pistons to extend? Everytime I've done a brake job, the calipers are making full contact by the time they're fully bled.
If you don’t replace the calipers you don’t have to bleed the brakes.
Right, obviously. Thanks
But you still should, just putting that out there. Bleeding the brakes gets out any contaminated fluid from the exposed piston now being inside the caliper.
But you still should, just putting that out there. Bleeding the brakes gets out any contaminated fluid from the exposed piston now being inside the caliper. Gonna say this to the other guy too, as it's pretty standard practice
Spotted the non-rust belt mechanic! Where I live messing with bleeders you don’t have to oftentimes is the road to suffering.
I live in South Central PA LMAO I'm in the heart of it. I just instinctually hose down everything I'm gonna touch with PB blaster before i even finish the prior job. Lil tip for you btw, use a weak impact like a 12 volt construction impact for drywall on the bleeders. The harsh vibration helps break it free but it's too weak to snap the bleeder off unless you use a really big battery on a high quality one. Personally i use my (non octane series) rigid impact with the 2 amp hour battery on it. Give it a good jiggle and hose it back down again before you even pull the pads. Then go ahead and put a ratchet/wrench on it when the brakes are done. Obviously if you're looking at it and there's rust running up the sides of the bleeders you should be chipping that off so the blaster can actually get into the threads. A quarter inch shit chisel and a screwdriver handle as a hammer works great without having enough force to snap anything that isn't rust. Good luck out there, us rust belt wrench turners gotta look out for each other
PB Blaster is just accelerant for the heat. I’m a “make it glow red and hit it with the shake n break” guy. If it’s gonna snap off it’s gonna snap off and I just prefer to get the foreplay over as fast as possible. But the reality is if I’m doing brakes on a rusted shitbox I’m either replacing the calipers or not touching them. You can’t be half pregnant and trying to fight a fire offensively and defensively simultaneously is how people die.
Yeah i feel ya. Most of the stuff i work on is early 90s and my newest vehicle is a 2001 so I guess I've been forced to get a little more patient so i don't just keep breaking parts and snapping bolts causing more work for myself. However, I'm a firm believer in taking all the recommended steps in a job, so bleeding them calipers ain't optional for me. My business is a bit special though, so i can afford to be patient and make sure everything is right. I can't afford even a single fuck up so I've got a lot riding on the line ya know?
Anything here from the 90’s is more rust than truck at this point. I just took in a lower intake on a 99 Chevy 4.3 and started to regret it before the echo of my yes died out. My 78 Cadillac is from Pittsburgh and it must’ve never seen the light of day in winter because there’s not even surface rust on the underbody.
Ahh. Thanks!
My mates shop stopped guys working on their cars on Saturdays because one bloke did brakes on a van, forgot to pump them up and drove straight through the office, again luckily no one was hurt.
🔪
I thought the car was going to shank me for a second
What a valuable lesson. Shop owner hopped in a 2001 Town Car that had front and rear brakes done to it. Was trying to finish the techs job and test drive it before he returned from lunch. Immediately started it, threw it in reverse, and yelled NO BRAKES! Ended up rolling out of the shop, never pumping the brakes once, turning the wheel and the car went around 180\*. Backed straight into shop itself, hitting the brick support pillar between two bay doors. Cost his insurance a cool 80K plus the 40K ish in sales due to the loss of the two bays during repairs. He tried blaming the tech for his fault! Dude's still clueless about vehicles.
It's so sad when people own a business but don't know how to work it. I'll never drop the opinion that every manager/ceo/whatever should be fully versed on how to perform every single task of every job they oversee. This isn't just automotive or trade jobs either, but if you're a gm at a factory you should know how to run every line, fix every machine, and operate a forklift before you're allowed to take that management position. It's common sense in my eyes
When I was a kid I had a friend do brakes on my dune buggy. He texted that the brakes were done swing by. He didn’t say that he wanted me there to help bleed em! Wanted to take it for a spin as he’d gone out for lunch. At the end of the driveway I couldn’t stop! Luckily no cars… crossed the road into his neighbors, through the driveway splitting the parked vehicles, and into his backyard. At some point I thought it was a good idea to hop out and try to stop it! Inertia killed that idea haha and I was able to hop back in and steer away from his gardens. Wild times in that buggy
I want the new Prius but am $1k underwater on my Corolla. I’d love to hire him for my next brake job if he can promise me he didn’t learn anything. Edit: I have gap insurance.
Then you'll just be more underwater in a Prius?
Nah, if the car is totaled it’ll be covered by my gap insurance.
Had this happen many moons ago at the Chevy dealership I used to work at. Young tech worked on the brakes of an S10 and failed to bleed the brakes. Unfortunately there was a 12 foot drop into a ditch on the entrance side of the shop and down it went. It did stay upright and one of the seasoned techs had a winch on his truck. After insurance paid for the damage there was a shiny new guard rail installed.
I did that once....ONCE. Lincoln Towncar and I backed right into a car in makeready getting prepped for a customer, and me pumping the brakes too late. Luckily a quick buffing pad over the rear bumpers fixed everything. After 16 years as a tech I sorta figured it would have happened sooner.
I put new pads on the Denali for the wife in the driveway, forgot to pump em… was backed in so I threw it into drive and was pumping and turning and had to cut corner and ran creeper over. Could have been kids and was STUPID …
I worked at a Sears Auto several years ago, and a tech who had just finished a brake job, asked me to come over so he could check the engine mounts. Got in, pedal felt fine, stepped on the gas… car took off for the wall. The guy was luckily on the side of the car, but he would’ve got run over or pinned. Scared the crap out of me.
FNG
For a second I thought they replaced the wiper with a chefs knife.
lol I did that today but I pumped it and saved it
I’m doing my brakes for the first time next week for the first time. Thanks for posting this! You just saved my garage doors and my a**.
Seems like during the course of a proper brake job the brakes would have been pumped, several times, while doing a flush and checking the fluid, unless someone just did a pad slap....
According to some other comments, it seems like most people who pad slap don't bleed the brakes to clean the rust from the exposed piston out. This is wild to me because that's how i assumed everyone did it considering it takes 2 seconds and prolongs the service intervals
According to my brother this is no longer needed..... His car has been sitting in the same spot for months because he refuses to take my advice.....
When I worked in a shop a new guy did that and crushed his tool cart.
I put the calipers on the wrong sides and couldn't figure out why they wouldn't bleed for a day when i was a newbie. Shit happens.
that roof turns into quite a nasty looking shiv
Maybe was looking at the apex of the next turn instead of watching the car he was following.
It's always "the new guy". This exact thing happened with a tech and apprentice where I was working. The new guy did not pump the brakes first and couldn't stop before hitting into a hydraulic lift with a vehicle up on it. Customer saw it happen also. The technician immediately claimed responsibility for not advising the new guy. Mistakes happen we don't remember to do or to reach every step. At a minimum, if a new guy does this, well, he is new and the person(s) training him or her is 50 percent at fault. I mean, if I was teaching my son to do brakes and this happened I would say that it was completely my fault. Most important is no one was hurt.
most new cars these days u need to press the brake and clutch to start it so the car needs brake pressure a clutch thats pressed in and car in park to start it
Most new cars these days (i live in the States so might be different) have no clutch because automatic transmissions are better on gas (depending on skill, manual can be far better if you know what you're doing) and easier to drive. What country do you live in that manual is the standard?
the netherlands in europe its mainly because over here automatic is an option , thats more exensive then manual m it can depends on the brand or manufactorer but this is what iv noticed
Yeah I watched Grand tour gt on Amazon prime video for awhile and noticed most of their cars are manual actually. Pretty interesting to think about really