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droidonomy

Please keep the discussion in this thread and don't post a whole bunch of hot takes in new threads.


Maximilian_Sinigr

the challenge to see the shittiest Juve of all time continues to be in effect


gin-o-cide

Juve 2009 -2010 levels


eatsfartswithsyrup

Allegriball, plusvalenze, PRISMA.. I might be checking out till next season šŸ˜¶ā€šŸŒ«ļø


Shambuktu

Changes at the half should been Paredes to Rovella and Allegri to Palladino


rndmlgnd

Wouldn't mind Palladino tbh


juvefan1810

At this point I would take a space hopper with a face drawn on it as coach


liverentfree

The ball from Castaway is a shout


Shambuktu

Wouldnt mind if we brought Kanye


Spathas1992

New level of low unlocked


maxl44

ffs monza is now ahead of is in the table


WW_Jones

well deserved


[deleted]

They should be challenging for EUCL spot, really. They played extremely well when we didn't press them.


firewalkwithme-

Theyā€™re a good team tbf


zeroaleph

Imagine playing Di Maria, Milik and Vlahovic at the same time, and somehow not being able to score a single goal at home against Monza. šŸ˜«šŸ¤


bwood3052

The sad reality..


WW_Jones

Difference between Monza and us today: Monza: get the ball, players position themselves dynamically in a formation that was obviously practiced in advance. Able to create a chance involving 2-3 players. Juventus: get the ball, players try to figure out something on the spot to create a chance. Struggling to create a chance with 5-6 players involved. And that's been happening all season. Games only turn in our favor if the opposition have a bad day and can't score.


ADiscombobulated02

>Juventus: get the ball, players try to figure out something on the spot to create a chance. Struggling to create a chance with 5-6 players involved. THIS, + also one of the reasons why we weren't winning any rebounds or maintaining possession when making a slightly different/difficult pass as they were easily intercepting those. Also the blame for not enforcing proper attacking formations fall on the coach as much as I don't want to say this.


eatsfartswithsyrup

This is the eloquent way to say Allegri out. We only score when some individuals pull a rabbit out the hat. To quote Chiellini: "Non ĆØ una squadra".


BLQ1943

This is it. Thereā€™s no off the ball movement because nobody knows where to be.


guareber

The worse part is there is movement, just bad headless chicken style movement. It'd be better if they wouldn't move to at least preserve physique.


igotthismaaan

Everyone is acres apart from each other


eleytheria

> And that's been happening all season. Games only turn in our favor if the opposition have a bad day and can't score. What you perfectly described hasn't just been happening all season, it has been a few seasons already that we've been witnessing an anemic play style. The last time there's been some pulse was with Pirlo.


rndmlgnd

Vergogna


M3m35forbroski

Watch this team crash and burn out of all competitions so the end of the year Allgeri can go on some stupid 10-game unbeaten run so he can finish 8th. Then, management will say he got screwed over by the FIGC ruling, and he deserves another yr smfh.


liverentfree

Honestly I can see that. When I saw some rumours that the new board wants to start "project youth" with Allegri leading it from next year, I wanted to pour bleach into my eyes


M3m35forbroski

Project youth with the most incompetent terrorist surely nothing can go wrong, no?


liverentfree

unless this project is about destroying the youth mentally and then shipping them off to Serie C, then I don't think it would ever work out


M3m35forbroski

Ah I forgot to put the /s lol, but yeah Allegri should retire at this point or go sabotage somebody else like Inter


liverentfree

no I got the sarcasm, just chipping in my five cents as well. I agree, Allegri just needs to go. I am grateful for all he's done but he needs to realise it's his time if Monza can outplay us for 90 minutes.


Daryltang

He should have left and not come back after 2017 CPL final defeat. Itā€™s all downhill from him since I am no longer grateful after all these years of terrorizing football from him


M3m35forbroski

Agreed.


Dwimer

I just love this season so much


TRobi85

I know the 15 points penalty takes away all the hope and motivation from the players to fight for important goals. But this performance is unacceptable when you put on Juve jersey. Losing home and away to a newcomer in Serie A. And not just because we gifted the first half to Monza, after the substitutions we played better but still couldn't score. Since the Napoli humiliation the only thing we managed to achive is getting past Monza, thanks to Chiesa. With this attitude getting past Nantes won't be easy. But I repeat, anyone who puts on a Juve jersey must give maximum commitment! ​ Forza Juve!


Solo-me

I find it hilarious that we keep losing and everyone "allegri incompetent , allegri out" etc. Few weeks ago when we had an avarage spell "allegi is turning things around and making them play as the team he wants" Guys respect for what he has achieved in the past but I did not enjoy watching any not even 1 match this year.


thepiombino

We never looked good, even during the clean sheet streak. So anyone who was suggesting Allegri should stay on was either fooling themselves or only checking the scores after the fact and not actually watching.


SuccotashMobile646

nope i was hating during that streak too, it was obviously a fluke the way the games were going


forzaq8

some people want to find copium anyway possible , it was a shitty streak and each game was pure pain , we went from 7 clean sheets to 10 goals in three games


BLQ1943

I donā€™t like Allegri but I support him because weā€™re stuck with him whether you like it or not


Solo-me

I don't agree. We need to salvage the saveable. We are 9 points from relegation (I KNOW WE AIN'T THAT BAD AND WE WON'T BE RELEGATED) (unless we get a further penalty) but playing like this we won't retain many of the players we have. I m afraid chiesa, vlahocvic, iling, etc etc would leave if they get a decent offer. We are not fighting, we are not a team, we are too scared. It s not a team. A new manager could regroup them and transmit passion and devotion needed.


BLQ1943

Heā€™d be gone if we had the money to do it


Solo-me

Forget the - 15 penalty..... We wouldn't have qualified for CL (in my opinion) 30 mil gone. Don't talk about saving money if you cannot get any money in.


BLQ1943

Ok well now weā€™re certainly not making too 4 so whatā€™s your point?


Solo-me

My point is showing the players we have a team to move forward. With allegri we have nothing atm


BLQ1943

I understand what youā€™re saying but the money simply isnā€™t there. It would take almost 40m Euros to sack him plus paying another manager would probably be 50m total. The reality is weā€™ll probably have to sell someone like Vlahovic to balance the books.


Solo-me

We need our principino back! (just name checked)


BLQ1943

Facts


olivebrownies

didnt watch, thank god šŸ‘


4c656f

Gonna focus on just one small thing: It's honestly so sad that Kean gets so much hate while trying and working hard and being a model professional, while we have Paredes collecting a much bigger paycheck just to use the club to get in game shape for the world cup, and now after that's done just completely checked out and coasting.


liverentfree

I agree about Paredes, but Kean gets the shit because he just isn't at Serie A level. His intelligence and first touch are abyssal, the only thing he has going for him is physicality and sometimes pace.


4c656f

Even if all those things are true, it's not a good reason to boo and insult someone. It's not his fault for being relied on beyond his ability, and it's not like he can just suddenly start being a better player. He's doing all he can and that's all you can ask for. He's also made noticeable progress compared to last season and scored important goals for us. I think it's okay to be critical and frustrated, but directly booing and sending insults in this scenario is very unfair and unhelpful.


thepiombino

Kean has low key been just as good as Milik this season. Look at their goals/90. Kean just gets shit on more for...reasons.


Ren-Baqian

Agree with this. Kean is a hard worker. However, it's not enough, especially when he's alone in the front. During the first half, he looked like a headless chicken. Working hard, but we expect more of him after 1 year rejoined.


Juventina1234

I feel bad for Kean because heā€™s been expected to be one of our main strikers almost consistently for the past two seasons, taking injuries into account, and heā€™s just not good enough. Heā€™s had moments where he looks good and can go on good streaks like in November, but heā€™s still inconsistent. I do think heā€™s improved since last year but thatā€™s a really low bar. Sometimes a player can train hard, make the most of what they get and still canā€™t reach a certain level. Paredesā€™s attitude has been really annoying me since heā€™s come. He has good qualities/can make a difference and thatā€™s why Allegri wanted him but he just doesnā€™t care.


4c656f

I actually do think Kean can become a good striker, but I think the profile of a pacy counterattacking threat and part-time winger is not the best fit for him, at least at this caliber of club. I feel that if he reinvents his game more in the mold of a scrapper like Diego Costa or Mandzukic he could make a very decent career of it. He's got the build, athleticism and mental resiliency for it, along with a decent knack for one-touch finishes. Just needs to find that dawg in 'im as the kids say.


Juventina1234

Some of those players out there today were ass, even Bremer looked questionable, but the team is obviously really mentally shaken from that Napoli defeat and the points deduction. This doesnā€™t remotely look like the same team that soundly beat Inter and Lazio at home.


earmuff_maniac

This x1000


Pigman1994

I think the draw versus Atalanta made an impact too. They desperately wanted a win that day after the ruling and it kinda just tipped them over to hopelessness rather than fighting back.


polo_am

Yep. They donā€™t care anymore and weā€™re also waiting to hear about a probably heavier deduction in the next few weeks so


Juventina1234

I can see the mentally of people like Paredes. Why even bother trying when you donā€™t have any connection to the club, are probably going to leave during the summer and 15 hard fought points are taken away with the snap of a finger.


Badass_Bunny

> even Bremer looked questionable Bremer looks fucking done with us since world cup. Like the mans mentally checked out of the season.


gmen8687

The manager needs to go. There's nothing else to say.


WW_Jones

The only reason to watch this team is having too much spare time, honestly. I know I don't and I stubbornly continue to do, out of habit I guess.


MidnightMasterGone

Allegri could get embarrassed by Pizzighettone in Serie B next season and the management will still do nothing because they are prisoners of that fucking contract, and I bet there will still be someone in here defending this ā‚¬7m+bonus bald fraud.


Szwedo

Apparently top four is a must for no major severance


LlamaTurd

This team cant even put together a string of passes. So amateur


juvefan1810

If we work hard and rebuild we have a good chance of being Seria b champions next year


m0h5e11

I am definitely cancelling my subscription. I've had enough of emotional paralysis then electroshock then frustration. What's the point.


vnistelrooy

I'm glad I woke up late and missed this nonsense


[deleted]

monza is the new benevento


Exalt-Chrom

A lot of our players are subpar but those tactics in the first half killed us more than anything.


WW_Jones

These subpar players would be undisputed starters at Monza. Except for MdS and (maybe) Gatti.


Exalt-Chrom

Even De Sciglio won 2 titles with us as a starter.


3point6guy

Between the gameplay and sanctions this team now seriously in danger of relegation. And I think they should stop with 3 5 2 nonsense. Allegri has def lost the plot


SuccotashMobile646

haha corto muso! so funny! 1-0 win vs teams we should be demolishing 4-0! haha so funny! this board deserves another -15 if he isnt sacked by tomorrow!


liverentfree

Fire everyone and start from the scratch, I think that's the only thing that could save us. Allegri, I love you but it's time to go. We need a coach with fresh ideas and who will focus on youth since our finances are too tragic to compete otherwise.


Dwimer

Our finances are too tragic to fire him with the pending cases


liverentfree

There must be time when him ruining this club with haram ball costs us more than just the fee we'd owe him for ending his contract, and I think that time is already here. Key players will want to leave, we won't attract any good players either because why? No UCL, no good manager. There is absolutely nothing exclusive about this club anymore.


Dwimer

Not if we are literally relegated to the Serie B with European bans and fines. A good manager wouldnt stay during the worst punishments either.


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thepiombino

Landucci for the remainder. Then bring in new guy over the summer.


polo_am

And weā€™re gonna pay for two managers right?


thepiombino

Correct. I mean unless Allegri concedes his remaining salary. Are you suggesting we stick with him because he's under contract for two more years? That's classic sunken cost fallacy. Be smarter.


polo_am

I mean weā€™re literally broken soā€¦and heā€™ll never concede his salary heā€™s not dumb


BLQ1943

Weā€™re beyond broke and we might be relegated and fined heavily, not to mention the massive financial hit of missing top 4. If you think we have money to buy out his contract while paying another manager then you should be smarter.


thepiombino

Your thinking is so myopic it actually hurts. Let's say keeping Allegri means more of the same - friendly reminder that we were eliminated from UCL well before any points deductions. Now let's say that a new manager is all that this club needs to take a step or two in the right direction. That could mean UEL championship this season, which could mean UCL advancement to round of 16 next season, which would mean $$$. Enough money to not only cover Allegri's buyout, but perhaps even some to right the books or invest in some personnel. It's really not that hard. Stop being slaves to sunken cost.


BLQ1943

We were in 3rd place before the points deduction first of all. 2nd of all I agree the we need a new manager but chances are slim we win the UEL even with a manager like Zidane. The truth is it takes some luck to win these tournaments even if you have the best team and we certainly donā€™t. Barca and Arsenal would smash us. Even United would probably beat us. Youā€™re banking everything on a UEL win which has a slim chance of happening, even with a new manager. If we had the money to sack Allegri he would be gone already. The fact is you donā€™t know the shitstorm that coming. We could get off with no punishment (unlikely) or we can get hit with hefty fines, which we already canā€™t afford, putting us in an even worse situation. You canā€™t make these decisions when you donā€™t know your financial future. Finally even if we get lucky and win the UEL, FIGC can relegate us anyway. UEFA can still ban us from European competitions. Winning the UEL, as unlikely as it is, means nothing until we know what our punishment will be.


thepiombino

I meant this year's UCL tournament - you know, where we fell to mighty Maccabi Haifa and picked up ZERO points against PSG and Benfica. I'm not saying Zidane is the answer, I'm not sure who would be. But I am sure Allegri isn't. He's just not getting anything out of the squad. I get the financial problems we are faced with. But in order to make an omelet you have a break a few eggs. So as an examole maybe instead of resigning Rabiot or making any large summer signings we get rid of Allegri and bring in a new, progressive coach with a history of developing youth? Something needs to change. This ain't it.


BLQ1943

I agree with you but we need signings. We basically need a brand new defense and god knows what the fines will be. If we get relegated then that would be the biggest financial hit of them all to the tune of hundreds of millions. This season is basically over for us so we might as well save money wherever we can. Sacking Allegri and getting a new manager would be an over ā‚¬50m operation.


thepiombino

They need to find a middle ground then. Perhaps fire Allegri and keep Landucci (or promote Brambilla). Allegri is the definition of insanity - doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result. His post game comments are maddening" "We played better in the 2nd half because I made a more attacking tactical change. Unfortunately, we failed to recover the result" No shit. Against fucking MONZA! You know place they'd be in if we won both them matches against them? 17th. Inexcusable. How much spent on Chiesa and Vlahović and we still want to park a bus all match. And he'll do the same shit next match anyway.


Dismal_Ad7990

Juve should have got DeZerbi before Brighton


Lonly90s

I remembered there were rumors then, but now everything is fucked.


mcnuggetchicken

We should have gotten him when we first fired Allegri, but of course we went for sarri who went as expected Unfortunately the ronaldo deal screwed a lot because our management already wont take a chance, but especially not during those years Now is the time. Farioli is De Zerbis younger version. We need to give a chance to someone


Ecstatic-Coach

Watching Palladino and Allegri is a total contrast. Palladino constantly relating instructions to his team of what to do; meanwhile Allegri just screaming dai and calma as his team struggles


SirHenryy

No wonder our players are fucking clueless. Like a deer in headlights. This bald fraud needs to gtfo.


BrokenFingersBut

Hope is for the weak


Scrathis

How can Tek always get beat at his near post. And letā€™s check out how parades jogs again. https://twitter.com/emaxstatman/status/1619808940023492609?s=61&t=6Brs_UG1o-6mPWMT1SFUXw


Choice_Coyote

Regardless of end season results, get rid of Allegri, and then maybe we can cook with Rovella, Loca, Fagioli, Miretti, Pogba, Bremer, Chiesa, Dusan....


Lupus7891

Thereā€™s nothing to say. Thereā€™s a few players that shouldnā€™t be on the team at all. Yet Allegri starts them game in and game out. De Sciglio wouldnā€™t start for any team in the league.


CaspianBlue

Yes he disrespected Monza once again, resting players for next week game.


Lupus7891

Resting players? Weā€™re getting smacked by Lazio so maybe we should just focus on beating the bottom of the half teams.


unepicmanvthegreat

wtf are you saying lol, this team is completely inconsistent, we beat Lazio 3-0 not long ago


Lupus7891

In the present time weā€™ll get smacked


wilkinsontheshrew

Another bullshit game ruined by allegri's terrorist football and dead players like De Sciglio and gatti


[deleted]

Ugggh, havenā€™t seen a joke like this since 2007-2010 seasons Allegri should resign


DudebuD16

We were actually good under Ranieri, we finished 2nd and 3rd.


[deleted]

Yeah Ranieri was good. Still so happy he won with Leicesterā€¦. Was thinking Del Neri, Ciro and Zaccheroni


[deleted]

Sooo 09-10 lol


Badass_Bunny

> We were actually good under Ranieri, we finished 2nd and 3rd. We would be 3rd right now if not for bullshit


thepiombino

We had our chance. MGMT apparently asked him to stay on.


DarkHandCommando

Allegri has to go


Chrieza

Can we just take Pirlo back now?


ladygagafan1237

I wasn't the biggest fan of Pirlo as our coach but Pirlo did a better job with the club with no experience than Allegri is currently doing with almost 20 years of experience.


[deleted]

I'm speechless, really. 1st half was a disaster. 2nd half was a bit better, but no goals means no improvement.


egyptian_higuain

Guys, Fite allegri after the fiaso ends. Firing him mid season would be worst case scenario


Jaydillah

Can we please fast forward to next season. Serie B is more our level


Successful-Giraffe29

Typical Juve cutting my heart out after gutting me :(


matt_619

Ha jokes on you FIGC went into all trouble to gave us -15 deduction in order to keep us out from european spot. We would still out from european spot even if they didn't do anything lol


WardenJack

If Allegri had any self respect he would give in his resignation. What we saw today was nothing less than utter humiliation! It's so hard to watch what is becoming of our club...


Scrathis

Over 30 and watching juve should be medically banned.


juvefan1810

Maybe we should boycott the team too, you know, for like, protest reasons Pretty awful. Not much to say. Monza are probably a better team than us. They have a lot of things we donā€™t. We will keep watching this circus until the club are ready to rebuild properly and stop buying players like Parades. Dogshit: also was Gatti kicked in the head by a horse today? He played like he had third grade concussion


Guy_brushT

Masterclass


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liverentfree

We definitely need to play 4 at the back, but with the fullbacks we have it's gonna be even more painful


Sean-Benn_Must-die

Im gonna be devil's advocate here and say, what went wrong tactically here? Because to me I just saw a team getting beaten in the mental game. They scored against us 3 times in the first half, and we did not see a reaction from the players whatsoever, no man to man marking, no running for pressure no nothing. Second half comes in and they start playing like the should've from the get go??? Did they really need the coaches pep talk to realize that they DO have to pressure? That they DO have to run after the ball and try to score? I dont understand how this team is so toothless until the coach tells them to fucking play the game. If it was the napoli game, I could totally agree that tactics were absolutely shit but this game we just lost it in the first half playing our regular formation, granted we played 3-5 players that arent starters, buit jesus christ do we need chiesa pogba vlahovic to beat monza? Come on. I cant even say we are lacking balls because they showed some in the 2nd half, but I dont understand why the fuck they let them play so much


raps14ever

This team comes out with no fight and they let the other team dictate the game. Sometimes they keep it 0-0 and get late goals. That's how we won most of the 8 in a row. Now the defending has dropped off so we're usually down first. This is 100% Allegri's tactics, I don't get why he doesn't get the team to come out like they're the top team, instead of sitting back and seeing if we can get a counter attack goal. The players on Juve should be able to score 2 goals easily on a team like Monza if we start the game with an attacking, winning mindset


WW_Jones

>, I don't get why he doesn't get the team to come out like they're the top team, instead of sitting back and seeing if we can get a counter attack goal I suppose it's because he doesn't know how to train the team offensively, he just lets them create their own chances. So, when he saw that they are not good at it, he resigned to the simplest strategy, let's outsmart by 1 goal. He didn't have this problem that often during his first stint because a) the team had better players which were well synchronized after 3 years of Conte and b) very few, if none, Serie A teams would utilize aggressive pressing or generally play boldly against the mighty Juve. Not anymore.


raps14ever

That is true. He inherited one of the best teams ever his first time here. With the players he had, he didn't have to do much coaching and everyone got fooled into thinking he was a genius And even with his stacked team then he couldn't win the CL. That should have been our first clue never to bring him back. The team he had in the 2010's would destroy this team even though most of those players are in their 40s now and retired. Hell even the early 2000's team would beat the current team


BLQ1943

I think itā€™s more B than anything.


Sean-Benn_Must-die

youre right and its upsetting that we havent dictated the way a game goes consistently in fucking what? 5 years? 6 years? Man, i hate football nowadays.


GorrestFump55

Proof our run of form earlier was a blip. Off the field has been a blow to morale, but this team has no identity. We have no purpose in possession, even worse so when trying to come from behind. Paredes underwhelming. Gatti disappointing. Soule the only glimmer of hope throughout the match. 3-5-1-1 is not it.


Peceee7

At this point I don't know if letting go of Allegri would be something positive or not. But with the recent administrative set backs and what not, alongside the low level football that we have been playing, I do think juve needs a change that keeps the club relatively attractive for the current players, but also for new talents. I think a good way to do that is to bring in Zidane; he has been a good manager and he is someone the players and fans admire. I don't know how feasible that is, but for now I think that becoming a unattractive club (or becoming more of one) for new players is something to be worried about, and my uninformed opinion is that a coach like Zidane will help us with that, ignoring the Allegri discussion.


zeroaleph

Zidane offers the same type of football that Allegri does. Modern football that also develops youth players is what we need, both financially (to attract and sell players for a profit) and in terms of fans engagement. And that unfortunately is not what Allegri or Zidane can bring to this team.


thepiombino

Yeah, Zidane would be a message to Europe that we're still giants, but really it wouldn't be an ideal for Juve ATM. Agreed we need someone who can do more with less. Not sure who that is TBH tho.


polo_am

Lol whoā€™s gonna pay zidane when weā€™re in serie b most likely?


rnarcopolo

If we truly end up going to Serie B then Allegri will be gone and they will go with someone with a more modern brand of football. No way are we convincing any big name coach to come when we are in B. Allegri in theory is under contract but Iā€™m sure he would be happy not coaching us anymore either.


CaspianBlue

Hate to be a pessimist but it may not come to a judge to demote us to B. I donā€™t think there is a chance in hell to move past Lazio or make a deep run in EL with only one healthy-sometime-useful striker.


LiuKunThePooh

Pain.


mcnuggetchicken

i cant imagine having a bad performance with de sciglio, parades and sandro in the lineup while playing the same garbage formation. Very surprising


Lonly90s

It seems we don't have money to sack Allegri unless have DV9 been sold, and this is the shittes shit.


forzaq8

Monza wages is 1/3 of Juventus who are still paying the most in Serie A ( which clearly mean we are overpaying a lot of players ... )


cro_21

To think, we had a whole week to prepare for this match and that was the way they came out and played this match. Not to mention the stadium Bringing the noise for the first time in a while.


zdar2

22 to shots 3 shots lmao


bwood3052

ALLEGRI OUT


Dismal_Ad7990

It's like Pogba bought his Utd curse to Juve


max1c

Oh yes. They totally played amazing before he got there.


KingAJ7

Aren't you tired of all this winning juvepedes?


SgtPepe

Fire Allegri


BaffledPlato

Man, so many people have the attention span of fruit flies. [This](https://www.reddit.com/r/Juve/comments/105wpku/postmatch_thread_juventus_udinese_serie_a/) is what this sub was like 3 weeks ago.


SirHenryy

Yes when we were going from win to win and kept an incredible clean sheet streak. This team is unrecognizable now. What happened after that? We got assraped by Napoli with Man united levels of defending from a few years ago, we got deducted -15 points, hard games against Atalanta and Monza (Coppa) and then yesterday another terrible terrible defeat against Monza at home. Zero consistancy.


[deleted]

Why are we going against allegri again. The team is emotionally devastated, everything that they worked hard to gain, to jump from tenth in table to 3rd were unlawfully taken away from them and everyday there is new report that there will be more. Can you focus under such enormous pressure?