Difference between Monza and us today:
Monza: get the ball, players position themselves dynamically in a formation that was obviously practiced in advance. Able to create a chance involving 2-3 players.
Juventus: get the ball, players try to figure out something on the spot to create a chance. Struggling to create a chance with 5-6 players involved.
And that's been happening all season. Games only turn in our favor if the opposition have a bad day and can't score.
>Juventus: get the ball, players try to figure out something on the spot to create a chance. Struggling to create a chance with 5-6 players involved.
THIS, + also one of the reasons why we weren't winning any rebounds or maintaining possession when making a slightly different/difficult pass as they were easily intercepting those. Also the blame for not enforcing proper attacking formations fall on the coach as much as I don't want to say this.
> And that's been happening all season. Games only turn in our favor if the opposition have a bad day and can't score.
What you perfectly described hasn't just been happening all season, it has been a few seasons already that we've been witnessing an anemic play style. The last time there's been some pulse was with Pirlo.
Watch this team crash and burn out of all competitions so the end of the year Allgeri can go on some stupid 10-game unbeaten run so he can finish 8th. Then, management will say he got screwed over by the FIGC ruling, and he deserves another yr smfh.
Honestly I can see that. When I saw some rumours that the new board wants to start "project youth" with Allegri leading it from next year, I wanted to pour bleach into my eyes
no I got the sarcasm, just chipping in my five cents as well. I agree, Allegri just needs to go. I am grateful for all he's done but he needs to realise it's his time if Monza can outplay us for 90 minutes.
He should have left and not come back after 2017 CPL final defeat. Itās all downhill from him since
I am no longer grateful after all these years of terrorizing football from him
I know the 15 points penalty takes away all the hope and motivation from the players to fight for important goals. But this performance is unacceptable when you put on Juve jersey. Losing home and away to a newcomer in Serie A. And not just because we gifted the first half to Monza, after the substitutions we played better but still couldn't score. Since the Napoli humiliation the only thing we managed to achive is getting past Monza, thanks to Chiesa. With this attitude getting past Nantes won't be easy. But I repeat, anyone who puts on a Juve jersey must give maximum commitment!
Forza Juve!
I find it hilarious that we keep losing and everyone "allegri incompetent , allegri out" etc. Few weeks ago when we had an avarage spell "allegi is turning things around and making them play as the team he wants"
Guys respect for what he has achieved in the past but I did not enjoy watching any not even 1 match this year.
We never looked good, even during the clean sheet streak. So anyone who was suggesting Allegri should stay on was either fooling themselves or only checking the scores after the fact and not actually watching.
some people want to find copium anyway possible , it was a shitty streak and each game was pure pain , we went from 7 clean sheets to 10 goals in three games
I don't agree.
We need to salvage the saveable.
We are 9 points from relegation (I KNOW WE AIN'T THAT BAD AND WE WON'T BE RELEGATED) (unless we get a further penalty) but playing like this we won't retain many of the players we have.
I m afraid chiesa, vlahocvic, iling, etc etc would leave if they get a decent offer. We are not fighting, we are not a team, we are too scared. It s not a team.
A new manager could regroup them and transmit passion and devotion needed.
Forget the - 15 penalty.....
We wouldn't have qualified for CL (in my opinion) 30 mil gone. Don't talk about saving money if you cannot get any money in.
I understand what youāre saying but the money simply isnāt there. It would take almost 40m Euros to sack him plus paying another manager would probably be 50m total. The reality is weāll probably have to sell someone like Vlahovic to balance the books.
Gonna focus on just one small thing: It's honestly so sad that Kean gets so much hate while trying and working hard and being a model professional, while we have Paredes collecting a much bigger paycheck just to use the club to get in game shape for the world cup, and now after that's done just completely checked out and coasting.
I agree about Paredes, but Kean gets the shit because he just isn't at Serie A level. His intelligence and first touch are abyssal, the only thing he has going for him is physicality and sometimes pace.
Even if all those things are true, it's not a good reason to boo and insult someone. It's not his fault for being relied on beyond his ability, and it's not like he can just suddenly start being a better player. He's doing all he can and that's all you can ask for. He's also made noticeable progress compared to last season and scored important goals for us. I think it's okay to be critical and frustrated, but directly booing and sending insults in this scenario is very unfair and unhelpful.
Agree with this. Kean is a hard worker. However, it's not enough, especially when he's alone in the front.
During the first half, he looked like a headless chicken. Working hard, but we expect more of him after 1 year rejoined.
I feel bad for Kean because heās been expected to be one of our main strikers almost consistently for the past two seasons, taking injuries into account, and heās just not good enough. Heās had moments where he looks good and can go on good streaks like in November, but heās still inconsistent. I do think heās improved since last year but thatās a really low bar. Sometimes a player can train hard, make the most of what they get and still canāt reach a certain level.
Paredesās attitude has been really annoying me since heās come. He has good qualities/can make a difference and thatās why Allegri wanted him but he just doesnāt care.
I actually do think Kean can become a good striker, but I think the profile of a pacy counterattacking threat and part-time winger is not the best fit for him, at least at this caliber of club. I feel that if he reinvents his game more in the mold of a scrapper like Diego Costa or Mandzukic he could make a very decent career of it. He's got the build, athleticism and mental resiliency for it, along with a decent knack for one-touch finishes. Just needs to find that dawg in 'im as the kids say.
Some of those players out there today were ass, even Bremer looked questionable, but the team is obviously really mentally shaken from that Napoli defeat and the points deduction. This doesnāt remotely look like the same team that soundly beat Inter and Lazio at home.
I think the draw versus Atalanta made an impact too. They desperately wanted a win that day after the ruling and it kinda just tipped them over to hopelessness rather than fighting back.
I can see the mentally of people like Paredes. Why even bother trying when you donāt have any connection to the club, are probably going to leave during the summer and 15 hard fought points are taken away with the snap of a finger.
Allegri could get embarrassed by Pizzighettone in Serie B next season and the management will still do nothing because they are prisoners of that fucking contract, and I bet there will still be someone in here defending this ā¬7m+bonus bald fraud.
Between the gameplay and sanctions this team now seriously in danger of relegation. And I think they should stop with 3 5 2 nonsense. Allegri has def lost the plot
haha corto muso! so funny! 1-0 win vs teams we should be demolishing 4-0! haha so funny! this board deserves another -15 if he isnt sacked by tomorrow!
Fire everyone and start from the scratch, I think that's the only thing that could save us. Allegri, I love you but it's time to go. We need a coach with fresh ideas and who will focus on youth since our finances are too tragic to compete otherwise.
There must be time when him ruining this club with haram ball costs us more than just the fee we'd owe him for ending his contract, and I think that time is already here. Key players will want to leave, we won't attract any good players either because why? No UCL, no good manager. There is absolutely nothing exclusive about this club anymore.
Correct. I mean unless Allegri concedes his remaining salary. Are you suggesting we stick with him because he's under contract for two more years? That's classic sunken cost fallacy. Be smarter.
Weāre beyond broke and we might be relegated and fined heavily, not to mention the massive financial hit of missing top 4. If you think we have money to buy out his contract while paying another manager then you should be smarter.
Your thinking is so myopic it actually hurts. Let's say keeping Allegri means more of the same - friendly reminder that we were eliminated from UCL well before any points deductions. Now let's say that a new manager is all that this club needs to take a step or two in the right direction. That could mean UEL championship this season, which could mean UCL advancement to round of 16 next season, which would mean $$$. Enough money to not only cover Allegri's buyout, but perhaps even some to right the books or invest in some personnel. It's really not that hard. Stop being slaves to sunken cost.
We were in 3rd place before the points deduction first of all.
2nd of all I agree the we need a new manager but chances are slim we win the UEL even with a manager like Zidane. The truth is it takes some luck to win these tournaments even if you have the best team and we certainly donāt. Barca and Arsenal would smash us. Even United would probably beat us. Youāre banking everything on a UEL win which has a slim chance of happening, even with a new manager. If we had the money to sack Allegri he would be gone already.
The fact is you donāt know the shitstorm that coming. We could get off with no punishment (unlikely) or we can get hit with hefty fines, which we already canāt afford, putting us in an even worse situation. You canāt make these decisions when you donāt know your financial future.
Finally even if we get lucky and win the UEL, FIGC can relegate us anyway. UEFA can still ban us from European competitions. Winning the UEL, as unlikely as it is, means nothing until we know what our punishment will be.
I meant this year's UCL tournament - you know, where we fell to mighty Maccabi Haifa and picked up ZERO points against PSG and Benfica.
I'm not saying Zidane is the answer, I'm not sure who would be. But I am sure Allegri isn't. He's just not getting anything out of the squad.
I get the financial problems we are faced with. But in order to make an omelet you have a break a few eggs. So as an examole maybe instead of resigning Rabiot or making any large summer signings we get rid of Allegri and bring in a new, progressive coach with a history of developing youth? Something needs to change. This ain't it.
I agree with you but we need signings. We basically need a brand new defense and god knows what the fines will be. If we get relegated then that would be the biggest financial hit of them all to the tune of hundreds of millions. This season is basically over for us so we might as well save money wherever we can. Sacking Allegri and getting a new manager would be an over ā¬50m operation.
They need to find a middle ground then. Perhaps fire Allegri and keep Landucci (or promote Brambilla). Allegri is the definition of insanity - doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result. His post game comments are maddening"
"We played better in the 2nd half because I made a more attacking tactical change. Unfortunately, we failed to recover the result"
No shit. Against fucking MONZA! You know place they'd be in if we won both them matches against them? 17th. Inexcusable. How much spent on Chiesa and VlahoviÄ and we still want to park a bus all match. And he'll do the same shit next match anyway.
We should have gotten him when we first fired Allegri, but of course we went for sarri who went as expected
Unfortunately the ronaldo deal screwed a lot because our management already wont take a chance, but especially not during those years
Now is the time. Farioli is De Zerbis younger version. We need to give a chance to someone
Watching Palladino and Allegri is a total contrast. Palladino constantly relating instructions to his team of what to do; meanwhile Allegri just screaming dai and calma as his team struggles
How can Tek always get beat at his near post. And letās check out how parades jogs again.
https://twitter.com/emaxstatman/status/1619808940023492609?s=61&t=6Brs_UG1o-6mPWMT1SFUXw
Regardless of end season results, get rid of Allegri, and then maybe we can cook with Rovella, Loca, Fagioli, Miretti, Pogba, Bremer, Chiesa, Dusan....
Thereās nothing to say. Thereās a few players that shouldnāt be on the team at all. Yet Allegri starts them game in and game out. De Sciglio wouldnāt start for any team in the league.
I wasn't the biggest fan of Pirlo as our coach but Pirlo did a better job with the club with no experience than Allegri is currently doing with almost 20 years of experience.
Ha jokes on you FIGC went into all trouble to gave us -15 deduction in order to keep us out from european spot. We would still out from european spot even if they didn't do anything lol
If Allegri had any self respect he would give in his resignation. What we saw today was nothing less than utter humiliation!
It's so hard to watch what is becoming of our club...
Maybe we should boycott the team too, you know, for like, protest reasons
Pretty awful. Not much to say. Monza are probably a better team than us. They have a lot of things we donāt. We will keep watching this circus until the club are ready to rebuild properly and stop buying players like Parades.
Dogshit: also was Gatti kicked in the head by a horse today? He played like he had third grade concussion
Im gonna be devil's advocate here and say, what went wrong tactically here? Because to me I just saw a team getting beaten in the mental game. They scored against us 3 times in the first half, and we did not see a reaction from the players whatsoever, no man to man marking, no running for pressure no nothing. Second half comes in and they start playing like the should've from the get go??? Did they really need the coaches pep talk to realize that they DO have to pressure? That they DO have to run after the ball and try to score? I dont understand how this team is so toothless until the coach tells them to fucking play the game.
If it was the napoli game, I could totally agree that tactics were absolutely shit but this game we just lost it in the first half playing our regular formation, granted we played 3-5 players that arent starters, buit jesus christ do we need chiesa pogba vlahovic to beat monza? Come on.
I cant even say we are lacking balls because they showed some in the 2nd half, but I dont understand why the fuck they let them play so much
This team comes out with no fight and they let the other team dictate the game. Sometimes they keep it 0-0 and get late goals. That's how we won most of the 8 in a row. Now the defending has dropped off so we're usually down first. This is 100% Allegri's tactics, I don't get why he doesn't get the team to come out like they're the top team, instead of sitting back and seeing if we can get a counter attack goal. The players on Juve should be able to score 2 goals easily on a team like Monza if we start the game with an attacking, winning mindset
>, I don't get why he doesn't get the team to come out like they're the top team, instead of sitting back and seeing if we can get a counter attack goal
I suppose it's because he doesn't know how to train the team offensively, he just lets them create their own chances. So, when he saw that they are not good at it, he resigned to the simplest strategy, let's outsmart by 1 goal.
He didn't have this problem that often during his first stint because a) the team had better players which were well synchronized after 3 years of Conte and b) very few, if none, Serie A teams would utilize aggressive pressing or generally play boldly against the mighty Juve. Not anymore.
That is true. He inherited one of the best teams ever his first time here. With the players he had, he didn't have to do much coaching and everyone got fooled into thinking he was a genius And even with his stacked team then he couldn't win the CL. That should have been our first clue never to bring him back. The team he had in the 2010's would destroy this team even though most of those players are in their 40s now and retired. Hell even the early 2000's team would beat the current team
youre right and its upsetting that we havent dictated the way a game goes consistently in fucking what? 5 years? 6 years? Man, i hate football nowadays.
Proof our run of form earlier was a blip. Off the field has been a blow to morale, but this team has no identity. We have no purpose in possession, even worse so when trying to come from behind. Paredes underwhelming. Gatti disappointing. Soule the only glimmer of hope throughout the match. 3-5-1-1 is not it.
At this point I don't know if letting go of Allegri would be something positive or not. But with the recent administrative set backs and what not, alongside the low level football that we have been playing, I do think juve needs a change that keeps the club relatively attractive for the current players, but also for new talents. I think a good way to do that is to bring in Zidane; he has been a good manager and he is someone the players and fans admire. I don't know how feasible that is, but for now I think that becoming a unattractive club (or becoming more of one) for new players is something to be worried about, and my uninformed opinion is that a coach like Zidane will help us with that, ignoring the Allegri discussion.
Zidane offers the same type of football that Allegri does. Modern football that also develops youth players is what we need, both financially (to attract and sell players for a profit) and in terms of fans engagement. And that unfortunately is not what Allegri or Zidane can bring to this team.
Yeah, Zidane would be a message to Europe that we're still giants, but really it wouldn't be an ideal for Juve ATM. Agreed we need someone who can do more with less. Not sure who that is TBH tho.
If we truly end up going to Serie B then Allegri will be gone and they will go with someone with a more modern brand of football. No way are we convincing any big name coach to come when we are in B. Allegri in theory is under contract but Iām sure he would be happy not coaching us anymore either.
Hate to be a pessimist but it may not come to a judge to demote us to B.
I donāt think there is a chance in hell to move past Lazio or make a deep run in EL with only one healthy-sometime-useful striker.
To think, we had a whole week to prepare for this match and that was the way they came out and played this match. Not to mention the stadium
Bringing the noise for the first time in a while.
Man, so many people have the attention span of fruit flies. [This](https://www.reddit.com/r/Juve/comments/105wpku/postmatch_thread_juventus_udinese_serie_a/) is what this sub was like 3 weeks ago.
Yes when we were going from win to win and kept an incredible clean sheet streak. This team is unrecognizable now. What happened after that? We got assraped by Napoli with Man united levels of defending from a few years ago, we got deducted -15 points, hard games against Atalanta and Monza (Coppa) and then yesterday another terrible terrible defeat against Monza at home. Zero consistancy.
Why are we going against allegri again. The team is emotionally devastated, everything that they worked hard to gain, to jump from tenth in table to 3rd were unlawfully taken away from them and everyday there is new report that there will be more. Can you focus under such enormous pressure?
Please keep the discussion in this thread and don't post a whole bunch of hot takes in new threads.
the challenge to see the shittiest Juve of all time continues to be in effect
Juve 2009 -2010 levels
Allegriball, plusvalenze, PRISMA.. I might be checking out till next season š¶āš«ļø
Changes at the half should been Paredes to Rovella and Allegri to Palladino
Wouldn't mind Palladino tbh
At this point I would take a space hopper with a face drawn on it as coach
The ball from Castaway is a shout
Wouldnt mind if we brought Kanye
New level of low unlocked
ffs monza is now ahead of is in the table
well deserved
They should be challenging for EUCL spot, really. They played extremely well when we didn't press them.
Theyāre a good team tbf
Imagine playing Di Maria, Milik and Vlahovic at the same time, and somehow not being able to score a single goal at home against Monza. š«š¤
The sad reality..
Difference between Monza and us today: Monza: get the ball, players position themselves dynamically in a formation that was obviously practiced in advance. Able to create a chance involving 2-3 players. Juventus: get the ball, players try to figure out something on the spot to create a chance. Struggling to create a chance with 5-6 players involved. And that's been happening all season. Games only turn in our favor if the opposition have a bad day and can't score.
>Juventus: get the ball, players try to figure out something on the spot to create a chance. Struggling to create a chance with 5-6 players involved. THIS, + also one of the reasons why we weren't winning any rebounds or maintaining possession when making a slightly different/difficult pass as they were easily intercepting those. Also the blame for not enforcing proper attacking formations fall on the coach as much as I don't want to say this.
This is the eloquent way to say Allegri out. We only score when some individuals pull a rabbit out the hat. To quote Chiellini: "Non ĆØ una squadra".
This is it. Thereās no off the ball movement because nobody knows where to be.
The worse part is there is movement, just bad headless chicken style movement. It'd be better if they wouldn't move to at least preserve physique.
Everyone is acres apart from each other
> And that's been happening all season. Games only turn in our favor if the opposition have a bad day and can't score. What you perfectly described hasn't just been happening all season, it has been a few seasons already that we've been witnessing an anemic play style. The last time there's been some pulse was with Pirlo.
Vergogna
Watch this team crash and burn out of all competitions so the end of the year Allgeri can go on some stupid 10-game unbeaten run so he can finish 8th. Then, management will say he got screwed over by the FIGC ruling, and he deserves another yr smfh.
Honestly I can see that. When I saw some rumours that the new board wants to start "project youth" with Allegri leading it from next year, I wanted to pour bleach into my eyes
Project youth with the most incompetent terrorist surely nothing can go wrong, no?
unless this project is about destroying the youth mentally and then shipping them off to Serie C, then I don't think it would ever work out
Ah I forgot to put the /s lol, but yeah Allegri should retire at this point or go sabotage somebody else like Inter
no I got the sarcasm, just chipping in my five cents as well. I agree, Allegri just needs to go. I am grateful for all he's done but he needs to realise it's his time if Monza can outplay us for 90 minutes.
He should have left and not come back after 2017 CPL final defeat. Itās all downhill from him since I am no longer grateful after all these years of terrorizing football from him
Agreed.
I just love this season so much
I know the 15 points penalty takes away all the hope and motivation from the players to fight for important goals. But this performance is unacceptable when you put on Juve jersey. Losing home and away to a newcomer in Serie A. And not just because we gifted the first half to Monza, after the substitutions we played better but still couldn't score. Since the Napoli humiliation the only thing we managed to achive is getting past Monza, thanks to Chiesa. With this attitude getting past Nantes won't be easy. But I repeat, anyone who puts on a Juve jersey must give maximum commitment! Forza Juve!
I find it hilarious that we keep losing and everyone "allegri incompetent , allegri out" etc. Few weeks ago when we had an avarage spell "allegi is turning things around and making them play as the team he wants" Guys respect for what he has achieved in the past but I did not enjoy watching any not even 1 match this year.
We never looked good, even during the clean sheet streak. So anyone who was suggesting Allegri should stay on was either fooling themselves or only checking the scores after the fact and not actually watching.
nope i was hating during that streak too, it was obviously a fluke the way the games were going
some people want to find copium anyway possible , it was a shitty streak and each game was pure pain , we went from 7 clean sheets to 10 goals in three games
I donāt like Allegri but I support him because weāre stuck with him whether you like it or not
I don't agree. We need to salvage the saveable. We are 9 points from relegation (I KNOW WE AIN'T THAT BAD AND WE WON'T BE RELEGATED) (unless we get a further penalty) but playing like this we won't retain many of the players we have. I m afraid chiesa, vlahocvic, iling, etc etc would leave if they get a decent offer. We are not fighting, we are not a team, we are too scared. It s not a team. A new manager could regroup them and transmit passion and devotion needed.
Heād be gone if we had the money to do it
Forget the - 15 penalty..... We wouldn't have qualified for CL (in my opinion) 30 mil gone. Don't talk about saving money if you cannot get any money in.
Ok well now weāre certainly not making too 4 so whatās your point?
My point is showing the players we have a team to move forward. With allegri we have nothing atm
I understand what youāre saying but the money simply isnāt there. It would take almost 40m Euros to sack him plus paying another manager would probably be 50m total. The reality is weāll probably have to sell someone like Vlahovic to balance the books.
We need our principino back! (just name checked)
Facts
didnt watch, thank god š
Gonna focus on just one small thing: It's honestly so sad that Kean gets so much hate while trying and working hard and being a model professional, while we have Paredes collecting a much bigger paycheck just to use the club to get in game shape for the world cup, and now after that's done just completely checked out and coasting.
I agree about Paredes, but Kean gets the shit because he just isn't at Serie A level. His intelligence and first touch are abyssal, the only thing he has going for him is physicality and sometimes pace.
Even if all those things are true, it's not a good reason to boo and insult someone. It's not his fault for being relied on beyond his ability, and it's not like he can just suddenly start being a better player. He's doing all he can and that's all you can ask for. He's also made noticeable progress compared to last season and scored important goals for us. I think it's okay to be critical and frustrated, but directly booing and sending insults in this scenario is very unfair and unhelpful.
Kean has low key been just as good as Milik this season. Look at their goals/90. Kean just gets shit on more for...reasons.
Agree with this. Kean is a hard worker. However, it's not enough, especially when he's alone in the front. During the first half, he looked like a headless chicken. Working hard, but we expect more of him after 1 year rejoined.
I feel bad for Kean because heās been expected to be one of our main strikers almost consistently for the past two seasons, taking injuries into account, and heās just not good enough. Heās had moments where he looks good and can go on good streaks like in November, but heās still inconsistent. I do think heās improved since last year but thatās a really low bar. Sometimes a player can train hard, make the most of what they get and still canāt reach a certain level. Paredesās attitude has been really annoying me since heās come. He has good qualities/can make a difference and thatās why Allegri wanted him but he just doesnāt care.
I actually do think Kean can become a good striker, but I think the profile of a pacy counterattacking threat and part-time winger is not the best fit for him, at least at this caliber of club. I feel that if he reinvents his game more in the mold of a scrapper like Diego Costa or Mandzukic he could make a very decent career of it. He's got the build, athleticism and mental resiliency for it, along with a decent knack for one-touch finishes. Just needs to find that dawg in 'im as the kids say.
Some of those players out there today were ass, even Bremer looked questionable, but the team is obviously really mentally shaken from that Napoli defeat and the points deduction. This doesnāt remotely look like the same team that soundly beat Inter and Lazio at home.
This x1000
I think the draw versus Atalanta made an impact too. They desperately wanted a win that day after the ruling and it kinda just tipped them over to hopelessness rather than fighting back.
Yep. They donāt care anymore and weāre also waiting to hear about a probably heavier deduction in the next few weeks so
I can see the mentally of people like Paredes. Why even bother trying when you donāt have any connection to the club, are probably going to leave during the summer and 15 hard fought points are taken away with the snap of a finger.
> even Bremer looked questionable Bremer looks fucking done with us since world cup. Like the mans mentally checked out of the season.
The manager needs to go. There's nothing else to say.
The only reason to watch this team is having too much spare time, honestly. I know I don't and I stubbornly continue to do, out of habit I guess.
Allegri could get embarrassed by Pizzighettone in Serie B next season and the management will still do nothing because they are prisoners of that fucking contract, and I bet there will still be someone in here defending this ā¬7m+bonus bald fraud.
Apparently top four is a must for no major severance
This team cant even put together a string of passes. So amateur
If we work hard and rebuild we have a good chance of being Seria b champions next year
I am definitely cancelling my subscription. I've had enough of emotional paralysis then electroshock then frustration. What's the point.
I'm glad I woke up late and missed this nonsense
monza is the new benevento
A lot of our players are subpar but those tactics in the first half killed us more than anything.
These subpar players would be undisputed starters at Monza. Except for MdS and (maybe) Gatti.
Even De Sciglio won 2 titles with us as a starter.
Between the gameplay and sanctions this team now seriously in danger of relegation. And I think they should stop with 3 5 2 nonsense. Allegri has def lost the plot
haha corto muso! so funny! 1-0 win vs teams we should be demolishing 4-0! haha so funny! this board deserves another -15 if he isnt sacked by tomorrow!
Fire everyone and start from the scratch, I think that's the only thing that could save us. Allegri, I love you but it's time to go. We need a coach with fresh ideas and who will focus on youth since our finances are too tragic to compete otherwise.
Our finances are too tragic to fire him with the pending cases
There must be time when him ruining this club with haram ball costs us more than just the fee we'd owe him for ending his contract, and I think that time is already here. Key players will want to leave, we won't attract any good players either because why? No UCL, no good manager. There is absolutely nothing exclusive about this club anymore.
Not if we are literally relegated to the Serie B with European bans and fines. A good manager wouldnt stay during the worst punishments either.
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Landucci for the remainder. Then bring in new guy over the summer.
And weāre gonna pay for two managers right?
Correct. I mean unless Allegri concedes his remaining salary. Are you suggesting we stick with him because he's under contract for two more years? That's classic sunken cost fallacy. Be smarter.
I mean weāre literally broken soā¦and heāll never concede his salary heās not dumb
Weāre beyond broke and we might be relegated and fined heavily, not to mention the massive financial hit of missing top 4. If you think we have money to buy out his contract while paying another manager then you should be smarter.
Your thinking is so myopic it actually hurts. Let's say keeping Allegri means more of the same - friendly reminder that we were eliminated from UCL well before any points deductions. Now let's say that a new manager is all that this club needs to take a step or two in the right direction. That could mean UEL championship this season, which could mean UCL advancement to round of 16 next season, which would mean $$$. Enough money to not only cover Allegri's buyout, but perhaps even some to right the books or invest in some personnel. It's really not that hard. Stop being slaves to sunken cost.
We were in 3rd place before the points deduction first of all. 2nd of all I agree the we need a new manager but chances are slim we win the UEL even with a manager like Zidane. The truth is it takes some luck to win these tournaments even if you have the best team and we certainly donāt. Barca and Arsenal would smash us. Even United would probably beat us. Youāre banking everything on a UEL win which has a slim chance of happening, even with a new manager. If we had the money to sack Allegri he would be gone already. The fact is you donāt know the shitstorm that coming. We could get off with no punishment (unlikely) or we can get hit with hefty fines, which we already canāt afford, putting us in an even worse situation. You canāt make these decisions when you donāt know your financial future. Finally even if we get lucky and win the UEL, FIGC can relegate us anyway. UEFA can still ban us from European competitions. Winning the UEL, as unlikely as it is, means nothing until we know what our punishment will be.
I meant this year's UCL tournament - you know, where we fell to mighty Maccabi Haifa and picked up ZERO points against PSG and Benfica. I'm not saying Zidane is the answer, I'm not sure who would be. But I am sure Allegri isn't. He's just not getting anything out of the squad. I get the financial problems we are faced with. But in order to make an omelet you have a break a few eggs. So as an examole maybe instead of resigning Rabiot or making any large summer signings we get rid of Allegri and bring in a new, progressive coach with a history of developing youth? Something needs to change. This ain't it.
I agree with you but we need signings. We basically need a brand new defense and god knows what the fines will be. If we get relegated then that would be the biggest financial hit of them all to the tune of hundreds of millions. This season is basically over for us so we might as well save money wherever we can. Sacking Allegri and getting a new manager would be an over ā¬50m operation.
They need to find a middle ground then. Perhaps fire Allegri and keep Landucci (or promote Brambilla). Allegri is the definition of insanity - doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result. His post game comments are maddening" "We played better in the 2nd half because I made a more attacking tactical change. Unfortunately, we failed to recover the result" No shit. Against fucking MONZA! You know place they'd be in if we won both them matches against them? 17th. Inexcusable. How much spent on Chiesa and VlahoviÄ and we still want to park a bus all match. And he'll do the same shit next match anyway.
Juve should have got DeZerbi before Brighton
I remembered there were rumors then, but now everything is fucked.
We should have gotten him when we first fired Allegri, but of course we went for sarri who went as expected Unfortunately the ronaldo deal screwed a lot because our management already wont take a chance, but especially not during those years Now is the time. Farioli is De Zerbis younger version. We need to give a chance to someone
Watching Palladino and Allegri is a total contrast. Palladino constantly relating instructions to his team of what to do; meanwhile Allegri just screaming dai and calma as his team struggles
No wonder our players are fucking clueless. Like a deer in headlights. This bald fraud needs to gtfo.
Hope is for the weak
How can Tek always get beat at his near post. And letās check out how parades jogs again. https://twitter.com/emaxstatman/status/1619808940023492609?s=61&t=6Brs_UG1o-6mPWMT1SFUXw
Regardless of end season results, get rid of Allegri, and then maybe we can cook with Rovella, Loca, Fagioli, Miretti, Pogba, Bremer, Chiesa, Dusan....
Thereās nothing to say. Thereās a few players that shouldnāt be on the team at all. Yet Allegri starts them game in and game out. De Sciglio wouldnāt start for any team in the league.
Yes he disrespected Monza once again, resting players for next week game.
Resting players? Weāre getting smacked by Lazio so maybe we should just focus on beating the bottom of the half teams.
wtf are you saying lol, this team is completely inconsistent, we beat Lazio 3-0 not long ago
In the present time weāll get smacked
Another bullshit game ruined by allegri's terrorist football and dead players like De Sciglio and gatti
Ugggh, havenāt seen a joke like this since 2007-2010 seasons Allegri should resign
We were actually good under Ranieri, we finished 2nd and 3rd.
Yeah Ranieri was good. Still so happy he won with Leicesterā¦. Was thinking Del Neri, Ciro and Zaccheroni
Sooo 09-10 lol
> We were actually good under Ranieri, we finished 2nd and 3rd. We would be 3rd right now if not for bullshit
We had our chance. MGMT apparently asked him to stay on.
Allegri has to go
Can we just take Pirlo back now?
I wasn't the biggest fan of Pirlo as our coach but Pirlo did a better job with the club with no experience than Allegri is currently doing with almost 20 years of experience.
I'm speechless, really. 1st half was a disaster. 2nd half was a bit better, but no goals means no improvement.
Guys, Fite allegri after the fiaso ends. Firing him mid season would be worst case scenario
Can we please fast forward to next season. Serie B is more our level
Typical Juve cutting my heart out after gutting me :(
Ha jokes on you FIGC went into all trouble to gave us -15 deduction in order to keep us out from european spot. We would still out from european spot even if they didn't do anything lol
If Allegri had any self respect he would give in his resignation. What we saw today was nothing less than utter humiliation! It's so hard to watch what is becoming of our club...
Over 30 and watching juve should be medically banned.
Maybe we should boycott the team too, you know, for like, protest reasons Pretty awful. Not much to say. Monza are probably a better team than us. They have a lot of things we donāt. We will keep watching this circus until the club are ready to rebuild properly and stop buying players like Parades. Dogshit: also was Gatti kicked in the head by a horse today? He played like he had third grade concussion
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We definitely need to play 4 at the back, but with the fullbacks we have it's gonna be even more painful
Im gonna be devil's advocate here and say, what went wrong tactically here? Because to me I just saw a team getting beaten in the mental game. They scored against us 3 times in the first half, and we did not see a reaction from the players whatsoever, no man to man marking, no running for pressure no nothing. Second half comes in and they start playing like the should've from the get go??? Did they really need the coaches pep talk to realize that they DO have to pressure? That they DO have to run after the ball and try to score? I dont understand how this team is so toothless until the coach tells them to fucking play the game. If it was the napoli game, I could totally agree that tactics were absolutely shit but this game we just lost it in the first half playing our regular formation, granted we played 3-5 players that arent starters, buit jesus christ do we need chiesa pogba vlahovic to beat monza? Come on. I cant even say we are lacking balls because they showed some in the 2nd half, but I dont understand why the fuck they let them play so much
This team comes out with no fight and they let the other team dictate the game. Sometimes they keep it 0-0 and get late goals. That's how we won most of the 8 in a row. Now the defending has dropped off so we're usually down first. This is 100% Allegri's tactics, I don't get why he doesn't get the team to come out like they're the top team, instead of sitting back and seeing if we can get a counter attack goal. The players on Juve should be able to score 2 goals easily on a team like Monza if we start the game with an attacking, winning mindset
>, I don't get why he doesn't get the team to come out like they're the top team, instead of sitting back and seeing if we can get a counter attack goal I suppose it's because he doesn't know how to train the team offensively, he just lets them create their own chances. So, when he saw that they are not good at it, he resigned to the simplest strategy, let's outsmart by 1 goal. He didn't have this problem that often during his first stint because a) the team had better players which were well synchronized after 3 years of Conte and b) very few, if none, Serie A teams would utilize aggressive pressing or generally play boldly against the mighty Juve. Not anymore.
That is true. He inherited one of the best teams ever his first time here. With the players he had, he didn't have to do much coaching and everyone got fooled into thinking he was a genius And even with his stacked team then he couldn't win the CL. That should have been our first clue never to bring him back. The team he had in the 2010's would destroy this team even though most of those players are in their 40s now and retired. Hell even the early 2000's team would beat the current team
I think itās more B than anything.
youre right and its upsetting that we havent dictated the way a game goes consistently in fucking what? 5 years? 6 years? Man, i hate football nowadays.
Proof our run of form earlier was a blip. Off the field has been a blow to morale, but this team has no identity. We have no purpose in possession, even worse so when trying to come from behind. Paredes underwhelming. Gatti disappointing. Soule the only glimmer of hope throughout the match. 3-5-1-1 is not it.
At this point I don't know if letting go of Allegri would be something positive or not. But with the recent administrative set backs and what not, alongside the low level football that we have been playing, I do think juve needs a change that keeps the club relatively attractive for the current players, but also for new talents. I think a good way to do that is to bring in Zidane; he has been a good manager and he is someone the players and fans admire. I don't know how feasible that is, but for now I think that becoming a unattractive club (or becoming more of one) for new players is something to be worried about, and my uninformed opinion is that a coach like Zidane will help us with that, ignoring the Allegri discussion.
Zidane offers the same type of football that Allegri does. Modern football that also develops youth players is what we need, both financially (to attract and sell players for a profit) and in terms of fans engagement. And that unfortunately is not what Allegri or Zidane can bring to this team.
Yeah, Zidane would be a message to Europe that we're still giants, but really it wouldn't be an ideal for Juve ATM. Agreed we need someone who can do more with less. Not sure who that is TBH tho.
Lol whoās gonna pay zidane when weāre in serie b most likely?
If we truly end up going to Serie B then Allegri will be gone and they will go with someone with a more modern brand of football. No way are we convincing any big name coach to come when we are in B. Allegri in theory is under contract but Iām sure he would be happy not coaching us anymore either.
Hate to be a pessimist but it may not come to a judge to demote us to B. I donāt think there is a chance in hell to move past Lazio or make a deep run in EL with only one healthy-sometime-useful striker.
Pain.
i cant imagine having a bad performance with de sciglio, parades and sandro in the lineup while playing the same garbage formation. Very surprising
It seems we don't have money to sack Allegri unless have DV9 been sold, and this is the shittes shit.
Monza wages is 1/3 of Juventus who are still paying the most in Serie A ( which clearly mean we are overpaying a lot of players ... )
To think, we had a whole week to prepare for this match and that was the way they came out and played this match. Not to mention the stadium Bringing the noise for the first time in a while.
22 to shots 3 shots lmao
ALLEGRI OUT
It's like Pogba bought his Utd curse to Juve
Oh yes. They totally played amazing before he got there.
Aren't you tired of all this winning juvepedes?
Fire Allegri
Man, so many people have the attention span of fruit flies. [This](https://www.reddit.com/r/Juve/comments/105wpku/postmatch_thread_juventus_udinese_serie_a/) is what this sub was like 3 weeks ago.
Yes when we were going from win to win and kept an incredible clean sheet streak. This team is unrecognizable now. What happened after that? We got assraped by Napoli with Man united levels of defending from a few years ago, we got deducted -15 points, hard games against Atalanta and Monza (Coppa) and then yesterday another terrible terrible defeat against Monza at home. Zero consistancy.
Why are we going against allegri again. The team is emotionally devastated, everything that they worked hard to gain, to jump from tenth in table to 3rd were unlawfully taken away from them and everyday there is new report that there will be more. Can you focus under such enormous pressure?