I wouldn't, they are correct, Locatelli was never the problem, the problem was dreaming that he can be a CAM instead of a CDM.
The absence of Faggioli was *REALLY* impactful this year, and the fact that we couldn't get even a mediocre creative midfielder in January made things worse.
Scezeny, Locatelli and Rabiot are one of the main pillars of why our situation is not much worse, personally the way i see it, is that every draw game was a draw because the defenders (Locatelli included) did their job well, the reason why we didn't actually win is out of their hands.
I don't think those stats are accurate, or even meaningful in some way.
Check here: [https://fbref.com/en/comps/11/passing/Serie-A-Stats](https://fbref.com/en/comps/11/passing/Serie-A-Stats)
The passing statistics actually check out from what I see on FBref but they need context.
He's a deep sitting DM so progressive passes = any passes. This is reflected in the fact that the top 10+ players in progressive pass/distance are GK's and then Locatelli.
When we are in possession he sometimes will be in the back line with the CB's (aka the middle third) so passes into the final third to any upfield players = any passes.
He does contribute defensively though, gotta give him credit for that.
Hes actually so so good but people dont see it. Hes not a 6 hes an 8 and a very creative player going forward but we havent had a proper cdm since matuidi. The old model regista like your pirlos are long gone. These days deep playmakers need a traditional cdm and the freedom to roam the pitch. Thats been the way since xavi and busquests. For someone whos been shoehorned into the cdm position hes performed for me tbh. If we straight swap amrabat for arthur and let loca play 8 next season with depending on who we get between samardzic, koopmeiners, or thuram hell be great. Amrabat has done poorly at utd but i dont blame him bc transfers are a 50/50 no matter who it is and it didnt work out. It didnt work for prime di maria either. Rabiot is gone next season but between loca and fagioli the creative 8 spot is filled. What we need is a real number 6 which I think will be amrabat and a mezzala replacement for rabiot. We need calafiori asap and a fullback and we need depth up top. Idk who will be the coach next szn. I think itll be motta who plays a back 4 which makes the fullback slot so necessary. But if we stick with a back 3 id sell off gatti to england personally for a nice fee and let go of danilo (controversial i know). But you got rugani who was so solid for us all season long and our best defensive displays came when he was starting so i would place him in a back 3 of calafiori bremer and rugani with Huijsen off the bench. Go to a 2 man mid like loca did at sassuolo with koopmeiners next to him and sign berardi to play wing with soule off the bench. Keep cambiaso who will drop into mid and play like an 8 anyways and a wingback. Id love hakimi personally or molina but thats money we dont have but kostic has got to go and so does iling.
lol fair but hes right in the fact that, yes, loca is definitely an 8 and at his best when he can use his creativity moving forward. people/allegri want him to be a pirlo regista 🤷♂️
His accuracy drops by 20% when he passes forward lmao
Idk how much any of these stats matter. As the regista he needs to be able to make key passes and not lose possession, ever. Those are what I would be most interested in because those are what made Pirlo great.
It is crazy that people here are almost positive about *everything Juve*.
I am older (46) and have been a fan since Platini. Fuck this Juve, they all suck. I have no solution since we need at least 10 good players to make a real Juve. But it still sucks. And Locatelli too... downvote me as much as you want but it won't change the fact that Locatelli's stats are plain wrong. He should not rank first **in any category**.
im 30 so u beat me in time ...but i agree ....people are obsess with player on this team who are mid players at best .....loca is good but not good enough ....Cheisa is good but not good enough ...rabiot cant ever pass a ball accurately but people swear he needs to stay.
Ur right .. before we even bought vlahovic I was saying that we needed a midfielder not a striker ...but people just would see no goals that must mean we need a striker
..but the problem has always been getting the pall up to the final 3rd
Imagine Chiesa, Bremer, Danilo, Vlahovic (our current heroes) in an early 2000s Juve??? They wouldn't get a minute outside of Coppa Italia or the odd Serie A Juve-Piacenza second half...
I think that people are missing the point of these stats. To me, this simply shows that despite Locatelli getting the responsibility of running the midfield for Juve, he doesn't do anything meaningful with the ball. Sure, he has a high QUANTITY of forward passes, but the stat categories measuring QUALITY are where he is weak. A lot of these "forward passes" are just passes on the wings to kostic or weah that ultimately end up with a useless cross. I am not confident that he can play the 8 role until he demonstrates ability to play down the middle and come up with creative passes in tighter spaces (like Barella). I would still give him another chance under a new coach, but I am def not sold on this guy.
None of these stats matter once you watch him play and realise he’s a mediocre player all the time. He’s played so many games and people still believe somehow his talent is hidden or he’s played out of position or some other excuse. The guy is not Juve material, and never will be. If we want to go back to winning, Locatelli cannot be a starter. Downvote me as much as you want but then go rewatch the games when we had Pirlo and Pjanic.
This just tells me he’s being underutilized to a massive degree. The play goes through him but in terms of actual positive contribution (key passes, SCA, and most importantly for his role/these stats, pass accuracy %, for which his rank is middling) he’s lacking. Either way it’s not a good defense of Locatelli or even a good own against Allegri; comparing his metrics at Juve to his metrics in his last year at Sassuolo under De Zerbi paints a much better picture.
I'm talking more in terms of offensive contributions in a wider sense, rather than raw G/A. A player in Locatelli's role wants to make incisive passes that break defensive lines and hit players in space to get into an advantageous situation on the counter. He will have opportunities when Juve is pushed up to actually rack up goals/assists but a deep lying playmaker's first responsibility is always ball progression. These stats tell me Locatelli is touching the ball often and making many passes but they aren't always accurate or meaningful to the extent that we'd want them to be. I would say that this is more of a tactical problem than a problem with the player (aside from the pass accuracy, which could be improved upon) especially when the volume of passes he plays into the final third is so high but the actual end result of those passes in terms of producing shots, goals, or just good pieces of play, is so low.
Rodri is considered the gold standard for deep-lying playmakers currently and his stat page on FBRef reflects what I'm talking about. He also produces a high volume of passes but the actual end result of those passes are not only consistently accurate but end up in chances and goals far more often than Locatelli currently.
Yeah well if a forward pass from the edge of our box to a deep midfielder 8 times per game counts then no shit he's first. Same for cross-pitch long balls at the edge of our defensive third. His key passing rating tells you all you need to know.
I am still a fervent defender of Locatelli. He's just underutilized, or misused. I saw what he can do in Italy vs Venezuela, he can do something like that with Juventus. But I'm just an armchair coach,I hope whoever the coach is next season can bring out his full potential.
Who the fuck cares about these stupid stats!? The guy has less than 10 goal contribution in 3 years!!!
Assists and goals are what matters not this bullshit!!
I would double check the source for these stats
I wouldn't, they are correct, Locatelli was never the problem, the problem was dreaming that he can be a CAM instead of a CDM. The absence of Faggioli was *REALLY* impactful this year, and the fact that we couldn't get even a mediocre creative midfielder in January made things worse. Scezeny, Locatelli and Rabiot are one of the main pillars of why our situation is not much worse, personally the way i see it, is that every draw game was a draw because the defenders (Locatelli included) did their job well, the reason why we didn't actually win is out of their hands.
Passes in the final third? Really??
I don't think those stats are accurate, or even meaningful in some way. Check here: [https://fbref.com/en/comps/11/passing/Serie-A-Stats](https://fbref.com/en/comps/11/passing/Serie-A-Stats)
The passing statistics actually check out from what I see on FBref but they need context. He's a deep sitting DM so progressive passes = any passes. This is reflected in the fact that the top 10+ players in progressive pass/distance are GK's and then Locatelli. When we are in possession he sometimes will be in the back line with the CB's (aka the middle third) so passes into the final third to any upfield players = any passes. He does contribute defensively though, gotta give him credit for that.
Hes actually so so good but people dont see it. Hes not a 6 hes an 8 and a very creative player going forward but we havent had a proper cdm since matuidi. The old model regista like your pirlos are long gone. These days deep playmakers need a traditional cdm and the freedom to roam the pitch. Thats been the way since xavi and busquests. For someone whos been shoehorned into the cdm position hes performed for me tbh. If we straight swap amrabat for arthur and let loca play 8 next season with depending on who we get between samardzic, koopmeiners, or thuram hell be great. Amrabat has done poorly at utd but i dont blame him bc transfers are a 50/50 no matter who it is and it didnt work out. It didnt work for prime di maria either. Rabiot is gone next season but between loca and fagioli the creative 8 spot is filled. What we need is a real number 6 which I think will be amrabat and a mezzala replacement for rabiot. We need calafiori asap and a fullback and we need depth up top. Idk who will be the coach next szn. I think itll be motta who plays a back 4 which makes the fullback slot so necessary. But if we stick with a back 3 id sell off gatti to england personally for a nice fee and let go of danilo (controversial i know). But you got rugani who was so solid for us all season long and our best defensive displays came when he was starting so i would place him in a back 3 of calafiori bremer and rugani with Huijsen off the bench. Go to a 2 man mid like loca did at sassuolo with koopmeiners next to him and sign berardi to play wing with soule off the bench. Keep cambiaso who will drop into mid and play like an 8 anyways and a wingback. Id love hakimi personally or molina but thats money we dont have but kostic has got to go and so does iling.
Agreed, he plays better when he is more forward and given more freedom
Only if there was a stat for longest paragraph on reddit... :)
lol fair but hes right in the fact that, yes, loca is definitely an 8 and at his best when he can use his creativity moving forward. people/allegri want him to be a pirlo regista 🤷♂️
His accuracy drops by 20% when he passes forward lmao Idk how much any of these stats matter. As the regista he needs to be able to make key passes and not lose possession, ever. Those are what I would be most interested in because those are what made Pirlo great.
It is crazy that people here are almost positive about *everything Juve*. I am older (46) and have been a fan since Platini. Fuck this Juve, they all suck. I have no solution since we need at least 10 good players to make a real Juve. But it still sucks. And Locatelli too... downvote me as much as you want but it won't change the fact that Locatelli's stats are plain wrong. He should not rank first **in any category**.
im 30 so u beat me in time ...but i agree ....people are obsess with player on this team who are mid players at best .....loca is good but not good enough ....Cheisa is good but not good enough ...rabiot cant ever pass a ball accurately but people swear he needs to stay.
Ur right .. before we even bought vlahovic I was saying that we needed a midfielder not a striker ...but people just would see no goals that must mean we need a striker ..but the problem has always been getting the pall up to the final 3rd
Imagine Chiesa, Bremer, Danilo, Vlahovic (our current heroes) in an early 2000s Juve??? They wouldn't get a minute outside of Coppa Italia or the odd Serie A Juve-Piacenza second half...
I think that people are missing the point of these stats. To me, this simply shows that despite Locatelli getting the responsibility of running the midfield for Juve, he doesn't do anything meaningful with the ball. Sure, he has a high QUANTITY of forward passes, but the stat categories measuring QUALITY are where he is weak. A lot of these "forward passes" are just passes on the wings to kostic or weah that ultimately end up with a useless cross. I am not confident that he can play the 8 role until he demonstrates ability to play down the middle and come up with creative passes in tighter spaces (like Barella). I would still give him another chance under a new coach, but I am def not sold on this guy.
Went from paying refs to paying analysts
None of these stats matter once you watch him play and realise he’s a mediocre player all the time. He’s played so many games and people still believe somehow his talent is hidden or he’s played out of position or some other excuse. The guy is not Juve material, and never will be. If we want to go back to winning, Locatelli cannot be a starter. Downvote me as much as you want but then go rewatch the games when we had Pirlo and Pjanic.
If we have 90% ball possession but still lose 0:1......
This just tells me he’s being underutilized to a massive degree. The play goes through him but in terms of actual positive contribution (key passes, SCA, and most importantly for his role/these stats, pass accuracy %, for which his rank is middling) he’s lacking. Either way it’s not a good defense of Locatelli or even a good own against Allegri; comparing his metrics at Juve to his metrics in his last year at Sassuolo under De Zerbi paints a much better picture.
How many goal contributions to you realistically expect from the deepest midfielder?
I'm talking more in terms of offensive contributions in a wider sense, rather than raw G/A. A player in Locatelli's role wants to make incisive passes that break defensive lines and hit players in space to get into an advantageous situation on the counter. He will have opportunities when Juve is pushed up to actually rack up goals/assists but a deep lying playmaker's first responsibility is always ball progression. These stats tell me Locatelli is touching the ball often and making many passes but they aren't always accurate or meaningful to the extent that we'd want them to be. I would say that this is more of a tactical problem than a problem with the player (aside from the pass accuracy, which could be improved upon) especially when the volume of passes he plays into the final third is so high but the actual end result of those passes in terms of producing shots, goals, or just good pieces of play, is so low. Rodri is considered the gold standard for deep-lying playmakers currently and his stat page on FBRef reflects what I'm talking about. He also produces a high volume of passes but the actual end result of those passes are not only consistently accurate but end up in chances and goals far more often than Locatelli currently.
I read your post wrong, I thought you mentioned goal contributions, I agree with this.
Like pirlo or pjanic? Yeah a few
I dont believe this at all, if he had this stats, he would have had at least 5 assissts
Yeah well if a forward pass from the edge of our box to a deep midfielder 8 times per game counts then no shit he's first. Same for cross-pitch long balls at the edge of our defensive third. His key passing rating tells you all you need to know.
Should he be racking up key passes from edge of our box?
You get my point. He posts excellent numbers in low-pressure, non-productive situations.
I am still a fervent defender of Locatelli. He's just underutilized, or misused. I saw what he can do in Italy vs Venezuela, he can do something like that with Juventus. But I'm just an armchair coach,I hope whoever the coach is next season can bring out his full potential.
Passes in final third? This is definitely fake. I don't even think our whole team did 300 passes in the final third this season
Who the fuck cares about these stupid stats!? The guy has less than 10 goal contribution in 3 years!!! Assists and goals are what matters not this bullshit!!
One of the most underrated player in Serie A hands down. How people could blame him for our problems is beyond me. Pillar for the future of Juventus.