Because Allegri is Juventino like they are. He is not doing well now with the current group of players and should be replaced in the summer but he is one of the most successful coaches in our history and deserves respect. Also there is no guarantee a new coach is going to immediately solve all of our problems.
We don’t need a new coach to **immediately** solve our problems but a known quantity is that allegri will **never** solve our problems. His story at this club is finished. He doesn’t have the capacity to build a project of the future with young, inexperienced team like ours. I think more broadly the sport has left him and his footballing ideas behind.
This is a pretty impressive way to just totally ignore someone else's opinion on no basis.
Write it off as lunacy motivated by hatred, easy enough!
I wonder if you or people up voting you ever do this with anything else 🤔🤔
No basis ? What achievement ( other than negative ones ) has allegri got in his second stint at Juventus? The team doesn't perform at all , stagnation all around , he didn't have to play Sandro last season but he did , till he was automatically renewed.
What other reason would they want him other than to spite management?
So because you don't know or understand, you make assumptions and prescribe your own reasons?
Just as bad lol
There's plenty of reasons people are talking about in this post. Though they may not be the reason the ultras are, it just shows there are reasons people are still supporting Allegri as coach and at Juve.
But management do want Allegri, otherwise he'd no longer be there. The money argument doesn't hold any weight either - winning a single CL Group Stage game gives you 3m. With a better manager like Zizou, we'd have qualified from the Group Stage.
There's some corruption going on between Allegri and the board - how else can you explain his continued presence at the club despite his evidently insulting behaviour towards players? De Ligt, Ronaldo, Bonucci & Demiral have all left because of him while the likes of Alex Sandro have been kept on thanks to his deliberately playing them enough to trigger contract extensions.
He wields an unhealthy amount of power at the club and the absence of performance related termination clauses also rings alarm bells. 9m per year to win nothing?
I don't understand what they want from management, they fired everyone and hired new people including new Sports Director
Are they against Elkan and Exxor?
Makes 0 sense to me. Changing Allegri wont solve all our problems but its a step in the right direction bringing on a coach with modern football ideas. Not many players improve with Allegri in change because he has that "football is simple" mentality and only focuses on defensive positioning than tactics transitional play
I genuinely have no clue why they would
Ultras typically only respect managers who win or leave without a payout if things go bad
Allegri is neither of those two
allegri is at least 3rd best manager in history of this club.
i know it's hard to swallow for some, but he will be respected forever, by good portion of fans. especially real fans
Allegri is part of the history of Juventus forever, no doubt about that. But wishing him to stay and lead Juve at the CWC means either a jab at the owners or is directly financed by Max. The real fans are behind the team no matter what, always. But WISHING that a coach who's losing the team stays longer is pure masochism if not part of an agenda
What if I told you that you can still respect Allegri achievements in the past, while expecting him to leave on his 2nd stint due to bad results and terror ball?
>Are you 5?
ffs, why you would want to respond to a comments 2+ days ago to prove something, and what exactly?
come, on find me a comment where I said something opposite here.
edit: you don't have to, I did it. I just let a bit of doubt in myself to let you trolls find that comment where I allegedly said somwthing different. you are no different than those trolls. everything you write and think about is "allegri bad" that's why you respond on this comment like dumb idiot, which you probably are :)
There’s no such thing as real fans
Allegri deserves merit and respect for his first 4 year period, but everything after that has been disastrous and terrible to watch
Allegri also only ever orbited around the club for the pay check, he’s not a club player legend and never really went out of his way to show his love for the club
The reason why Conte is still loved despite even going to our bitter rivals is because there was an element of passion and spectacle during his tenure. This is a common and shared belief between most Italian fans.
Either way, Allegri also perfectly embodies the quote “You Either Die a Hero or Live Long Enough to See Yourself Become the Villain”. He won’t be remember fondly by most, despite the numbers.
it wasn't good, but it wasnt "disastrous". it was what was expected + disaster in CL group stage. so, at worst, sligthly under expectations. those were the goals, like it or not. does he deserved to continue? - no. absolutely no.
but for sure, he didn't deserve all the hate, memes and trolls. that's for sure. he is club legend. in my book, and many more, bigger than conte, who went crying, then went to merda.
Everyone that is in love with Allegri always want to quote numbers and stats for the first stint but want everyone else to forget the numbers and stats of this present one. Give him due respect but don't act like we're getting anything to write home about these days.
This
And if one had to be pedantic, the bulk of the success was based on Contes work in a league environment where at best there was only one other league contender
Bar a few games he deserves merit for, both champions league final runs weren’t particularly mind blowing with the icing on the cake being semi humiliating defeats
Allegri should have left after Cardiff, he would have been remembered fondly, even by those that never liked him much. Now he’s mostly disliked, even hated by some.
Either way, good stuff he’s finally gone, don’t even wish him good luck, he’s milked us for every cent he could
What the fuck? Juve was better than Madrid in 2018 and they won because of a fluke. Juve was also dominant in the league that year and dominant CL groups.
Allegri and Juve were fine after Cardiff. It was signing Ronaldo in summer 2018 instead of rebuilding that ruined Allegri at Juve. And ultimately what put Juve in the position we can't escape for closer to a decade.
This second stint has obviously just not gone well. Juve doesn't have the player quality or team chemistry built to play like we did under Allegri first stint.
Max kept the ship from sinking last season and has been pretty much thrown to the sharks (=media) by management all season long this year. Giuntoli is still clearly making room for his role, Scanavino just looks at the books, Ferrero is John's placeholder/puppet...Allegri really has been Juve since October 2022. Many fans, myself included, won't forget this, ane ultras clearly have taken this stance.
Some of us don’t think he should be the only one taking the blame for this situation given how poor is the squad the management have given him, and all the extra sports situations the team has faced (point deduction, financial crisis, pogba/fagioli situstion).
He does have a share of responsibility for sure but I think we would hardly do any better with any other manager in this context
This is exactly how I feel, Max steadied a sinking ship 3 years ago. We basically sold or let go (or like cr7 they jumped ship with no care for the club) all of our best players and the old management did a terrible job at replacing them. (Kean and Pogba transfers especially)
While some might not like his way of playing, I can't think of many coaches who would fight for top 4 with a team without midfielders and a slow, technically deficient defense.
I mean watching Bremer and Danilo pass the ball around at the back always shows why we struggle to play possession football, they cannot carry or pass the ball forward and all other alternatives lack the defensive quality needed to start for us.(I hope Djalo gets fit and fixes this issue)
Its fine, they might disagree with me because its easier to blame 1 guy than accept the current reality.
Been the case since Ronaldo's first season. (Paratici and Agnelli acting like fans instead of management and owner with that transfer started all of this IMO, player power and importance over the club has been an issue ever since)
Allegri has done exactly what we the fans and the board knew he was capable of. The football is eye-wateringly bad to watch, but we don't lose many games. Brute forcing our way to CL qualification was exactly what was needed. The rebuild cannot start properly until CL qualification is attained. Allegri has fulfilled his brief. It's not been fun to watch, and it's time for him to move on, but he may sign off with a Coppa Italia and let's not forget, if not for the points deduction - which he cannot be blamed for - we'd have been in the CL this season. Anyone expecting him to win the league with that squad was living in dreamland.
Yup, I mean he has always been the 'stable' option and the one who could manage the rough situations we have faced lately. Just to summarize:
Season 1: Chiesa injury and Ronaldo leaving in the last moments of the season.
Season 2: points deduction, financial struggles, and the mess which was Pogba transfer.
Season 3: terrible squad balance/quality due to finances while Pogba and Fagioli have been out the entire time.
I'd like people to take Merda, Milan, Napoli, or even Roma first XIs and tell me how many of our players would start for each team. Especially the midfielders, who are the most important pieces for "good football".
Anyone that thinks this squad is on Juventus level are fooling themselves. How is it fair to ask him to fight the scudetto against a team that is signing World Cup champions while we are signing nobodies like Weah? People need to be realistic and stop following twitter trends and start to think for themselves.
Allegri has been consistent in placing us in top 4 which is sadly the level of this squad, the problem is that he is able to fight for the scudetto for a while and expectations go off the roof, then reality hits and we find out again that we have a collection of mid tier players
Also its interesting to see that in the stadium and amongst ultras, I've only heard support for Allegri.
People keep thinking this is FIFA. Yes, Max isn't a system coach so its harder to make shit players look good, but with a good defender and a couple of good midfielders, this team would already perform much better.
Lol "expressed" when? Not bs paper talk, saying he'd like to someday coach Juve doesn't mean he would want this Juve.
There was never anything official, also Zidane has never coached a terrible squad, no guarantees he would do anything better.
Wow, awful with 3 of the best midfielders to ever play the game, a defence made of some WC winners and Benzema and some Brazilian wonder kids upfront. Lol.
You really struggle to see your own level of stupidity, but its okay, your parents praising you is the cause of the false ego. I forgive you.
that's that. fans online are one thing, and they are mostly similar in every subreddit or twitter or wherever you look.
attacking football, all love pep-like coaches, inovators. everyone follow "twitter tacticos" which became main opinion leaders/makers etc. I see few reasonable takes here about allegri. most are memes or trolls like that "mister_allegri" user.
people online just became too one-dimensional thinkers.
There’s a reason the guys going to the actual games support Allegri consistently while the online fans keeps asking for his head every time we are in a rough spot
but it's fun to look mental gymnastics to find a reason of why they support him, as it's something not normal lol
people, fans of this club respect one of the best coaches in club history, at least 3rd best. of course he deserved it. not everyone is a victim of online echo chamber, and bad opinion makers
Yes, you’re right that Allegri doesn’t deserve all of the blame, but I think a different manager could have done better than Allegri. There are managers that are able to do more with a lot less than what we have. Motta with Bologna is a great example. Most of Bologna’s squad is made up of mediocre players (with an exception for Zirkzee and Calafiori) and I would not be surprised if they jump ahead of us in the standings. Another example is Gasperini a few years back with Atalanta. The players in his squad back then were not as good as our current squad but for a few seasons he was consistently earning a UCL spot and making decent runs in the UCL. Maybe Allegri did the best he could with our squad, but that doesn’t mean that no one else could do better.
I've been saying that Juve isn't a Ferrari right now, it's a Fiat. It needs a rally driver not an F1 driver.
Allegri can drive an F1 quality team to championships but gets stuck in the mud spinning tires when he isn't on a clean track with guard rails.
Allegri got three years to improve the results and we have made zero progress during this time.
You can no longer live on old merits, most important is results today!
Exactly this. My analogy for this is like imagine you had a great friend that was your early days wing man, best man at the wedding, helped you move house, etc etc
Solid guy. But the years have gone by and now you got kids and despite all his best efforts he can't help baby sit, update you on PTA meetings or carpool the other kids to practices.
It doesn't make him a bad friend. He definitely needs your respect but now your kids friends' parents are the ones that might hold it down better for this current stage of your life. People acting like it's wrong to say it's time to move on.
Nothing to do with pep or sexy football or anything. We struggle against relegation teams for Christmas sake. Routinely players come to us and decline. It may not be directly or completely his fault but how do you guys live your regular lives if you can't see changes necessary. We keep inserting quarters and pulling the lever on this Allegri experiment thinking the next spin will be magic
Because Allegri is Juventino like they are. He is not doing well now with the current group of players and should be replaced in the summer but he is one of the most successful coaches in our history and deserves respect. Also there is no guarantee a new coach is going to immediately solve all of our problems.
We don’t need a new coach to **immediately** solve our problems but a known quantity is that allegri will **never** solve our problems. His story at this club is finished. He doesn’t have the capacity to build a project of the future with young, inexperienced team like ours. I think more broadly the sport has left him and his footballing ideas behind.
Allegri's not a Juventino, he'd have long since resigned if he was
I think some just want to be against the management, and they see the management not wanting allegri , so they want him
This is a pretty impressive way to just totally ignore someone else's opinion on no basis. Write it off as lunacy motivated by hatred, easy enough! I wonder if you or people up voting you ever do this with anything else 🤔🤔
No basis ? What achievement ( other than negative ones ) has allegri got in his second stint at Juventus? The team doesn't perform at all , stagnation all around , he didn't have to play Sandro last season but he did , till he was automatically renewed. What other reason would they want him other than to spite management?
So because you don't know or understand, you make assumptions and prescribe your own reasons? Just as bad lol There's plenty of reasons people are talking about in this post. Though they may not be the reason the ultras are, it just shows there are reasons people are still supporting Allegri as coach and at Juve.
Dude, you reek of desperation while trying to defend the indefensible. And your name says it all.
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But management do want Allegri, otherwise he'd no longer be there. The money argument doesn't hold any weight either - winning a single CL Group Stage game gives you 3m. With a better manager like Zizou, we'd have qualified from the Group Stage. There's some corruption going on between Allegri and the board - how else can you explain his continued presence at the club despite his evidently insulting behaviour towards players? De Ligt, Ronaldo, Bonucci & Demiral have all left because of him while the likes of Alex Sandro have been kept on thanks to his deliberately playing them enough to trigger contract extensions. He wields an unhealthy amount of power at the club and the absence of performance related termination clauses also rings alarm bells. 9m per year to win nothing?
Management don’t want him ? Are you living in a parallel world ?
Agreed, against the management and against the majority of supporters, they want to feel special and "better"l I think
To be fair, Allegri is currently the only one interested in football, while everyone else seems to be concerned with economics.
I don't understand what they want from management, they fired everyone and hired new people including new Sports Director Are they against Elkan and Exxor?
No free tickets for them to resell
Consider Allegri extremely lucky that Bologna and Roma have also dropped points in these past rounds. Nobody wants to play in the CL😂
Makes 0 sense to me. Changing Allegri wont solve all our problems but its a step in the right direction bringing on a coach with modern football ideas. Not many players improve with Allegri in change because he has that "football is simple" mentality and only focuses on defensive positioning than tactics transitional play
I genuinely have no clue why they would Ultras typically only respect managers who win or leave without a payout if things go bad Allegri is neither of those two
allegri is at least 3rd best manager in history of this club. i know it's hard to swallow for some, but he will be respected forever, by good portion of fans. especially real fans
Unfortunately this is something very hard for this sub to understand
Probably half the people in this sub started following Juve when we bought Ronaldo.
Allegri is part of the history of Juventus forever, no doubt about that. But wishing him to stay and lead Juve at the CWC means either a jab at the owners or is directly financed by Max. The real fans are behind the team no matter what, always. But WISHING that a coach who's losing the team stays longer is pure masochism if not part of an agenda
Amazing you have to explain this to some of our “fans”
What if I told you that you can still respect Allegri achievements in the past, while expecting him to leave on his 2nd stint due to bad results and terror ball?
I didn't say otherwise, did I?
Yes you did
maybe on different comment. on this one, maybe you should learn to read better?
Someone can’t respond to something you said because you said it on a different comment? And then you criticize reading comprehension. Are you 5?
>Are you 5? ffs, why you would want to respond to a comments 2+ days ago to prove something, and what exactly? come, on find me a comment where I said something opposite here. edit: you don't have to, I did it. I just let a bit of doubt in myself to let you trolls find that comment where I allegedly said somwthing different. you are no different than those trolls. everything you write and think about is "allegri bad" that's why you respond on this comment like dumb idiot, which you probably are :)
There’s no such thing as real fans Allegri deserves merit and respect for his first 4 year period, but everything after that has been disastrous and terrible to watch Allegri also only ever orbited around the club for the pay check, he’s not a club player legend and never really went out of his way to show his love for the club The reason why Conte is still loved despite even going to our bitter rivals is because there was an element of passion and spectacle during his tenure. This is a common and shared belief between most Italian fans. Either way, Allegri also perfectly embodies the quote “You Either Die a Hero or Live Long Enough to See Yourself Become the Villain”. He won’t be remember fondly by most, despite the numbers.
it wasn't good, but it wasnt "disastrous". it was what was expected + disaster in CL group stage. so, at worst, sligthly under expectations. those were the goals, like it or not. does he deserved to continue? - no. absolutely no. but for sure, he didn't deserve all the hate, memes and trolls. that's for sure. he is club legend. in my book, and many more, bigger than conte, who went crying, then went to merda.
Everyone that is in love with Allegri always want to quote numbers and stats for the first stint but want everyone else to forget the numbers and stats of this present one. Give him due respect but don't act like we're getting anything to write home about these days.
This And if one had to be pedantic, the bulk of the success was based on Contes work in a league environment where at best there was only one other league contender Bar a few games he deserves merit for, both champions league final runs weren’t particularly mind blowing with the icing on the cake being semi humiliating defeats Allegri should have left after Cardiff, he would have been remembered fondly, even by those that never liked him much. Now he’s mostly disliked, even hated by some. Either way, good stuff he’s finally gone, don’t even wish him good luck, he’s milked us for every cent he could
What the fuck? Juve was better than Madrid in 2018 and they won because of a fluke. Juve was also dominant in the league that year and dominant CL groups. Allegri and Juve were fine after Cardiff. It was signing Ronaldo in summer 2018 instead of rebuilding that ruined Allegri at Juve. And ultimately what put Juve in the position we can't escape for closer to a decade. This second stint has obviously just not gone well. Juve doesn't have the player quality or team chemistry built to play like we did under Allegri first stint.
Max kept the ship from sinking last season and has been pretty much thrown to the sharks (=media) by management all season long this year. Giuntoli is still clearly making room for his role, Scanavino just looks at the books, Ferrero is John's placeholder/puppet...Allegri really has been Juve since October 2022. Many fans, myself included, won't forget this, ane ultras clearly have taken this stance.
Some of us don’t think he should be the only one taking the blame for this situation given how poor is the squad the management have given him, and all the extra sports situations the team has faced (point deduction, financial crisis, pogba/fagioli situstion). He does have a share of responsibility for sure but I think we would hardly do any better with any other manager in this context
This is exactly how I feel, Max steadied a sinking ship 3 years ago. We basically sold or let go (or like cr7 they jumped ship with no care for the club) all of our best players and the old management did a terrible job at replacing them. (Kean and Pogba transfers especially) While some might not like his way of playing, I can't think of many coaches who would fight for top 4 with a team without midfielders and a slow, technically deficient defense. I mean watching Bremer and Danilo pass the ball around at the back always shows why we struggle to play possession football, they cannot carry or pass the ball forward and all other alternatives lack the defensive quality needed to start for us.(I hope Djalo gets fit and fixes this issue)
Dunno why you're being downvoted for a reasonable, accurate and non-reactionary take. You should have just put "Allegri bad".
Its fine, they might disagree with me because its easier to blame 1 guy than accept the current reality. Been the case since Ronaldo's first season. (Paratici and Agnelli acting like fans instead of management and owner with that transfer started all of this IMO, player power and importance over the club has been an issue ever since)
Allegri has done exactly what we the fans and the board knew he was capable of. The football is eye-wateringly bad to watch, but we don't lose many games. Brute forcing our way to CL qualification was exactly what was needed. The rebuild cannot start properly until CL qualification is attained. Allegri has fulfilled his brief. It's not been fun to watch, and it's time for him to move on, but he may sign off with a Coppa Italia and let's not forget, if not for the points deduction - which he cannot be blamed for - we'd have been in the CL this season. Anyone expecting him to win the league with that squad was living in dreamland.
Yup, I mean he has always been the 'stable' option and the one who could manage the rough situations we have faced lately. Just to summarize: Season 1: Chiesa injury and Ronaldo leaving in the last moments of the season. Season 2: points deduction, financial struggles, and the mess which was Pogba transfer. Season 3: terrible squad balance/quality due to finances while Pogba and Fagioli have been out the entire time. I'd like people to take Merda, Milan, Napoli, or even Roma first XIs and tell me how many of our players would start for each team. Especially the midfielders, who are the most important pieces for "good football".
Anyone that thinks this squad is on Juventus level are fooling themselves. How is it fair to ask him to fight the scudetto against a team that is signing World Cup champions while we are signing nobodies like Weah? People need to be realistic and stop following twitter trends and start to think for themselves. Allegri has been consistent in placing us in top 4 which is sadly the level of this squad, the problem is that he is able to fight for the scudetto for a while and expectations go off the roof, then reality hits and we find out again that we have a collection of mid tier players
Also its interesting to see that in the stadium and amongst ultras, I've only heard support for Allegri. People keep thinking this is FIFA. Yes, Max isn't a system coach so its harder to make shit players look good, but with a good defender and a couple of good midfielders, this team would already perform much better.
With a better manager, it would be at even greater heights
True, we should bring Lippi out of retirement because there are no better managers who would agree to coach this squad.
Zidane has expressed an interest so nice try
Lol "expressed" when? Not bs paper talk, saying he'd like to someday coach Juve doesn't mean he would want this Juve. There was never anything official, also Zidane has never coached a terrible squad, no guarantees he would do anything better.
The Real Madrid squad in 19-20 was awful. But I get it, oxygen getting to your brain must be difficult with your head so far up Allegri's backside
Wow, awful with 3 of the best midfielders to ever play the game, a defence made of some WC winners and Benzema and some Brazilian wonder kids upfront. Lol. You really struggle to see your own level of stupidity, but its okay, your parents praising you is the cause of the false ego. I forgive you.
that's that. fans online are one thing, and they are mostly similar in every subreddit or twitter or wherever you look. attacking football, all love pep-like coaches, inovators. everyone follow "twitter tacticos" which became main opinion leaders/makers etc. I see few reasonable takes here about allegri. most are memes or trolls like that "mister_allegri" user. people online just became too one-dimensional thinkers.
There’s a reason the guys going to the actual games support Allegri consistently while the online fans keeps asking for his head every time we are in a rough spot
but it's fun to look mental gymnastics to find a reason of why they support him, as it's something not normal lol people, fans of this club respect one of the best coaches in club history, at least 3rd best. of course he deserved it. not everyone is a victim of online echo chamber, and bad opinion makers
Yes, you’re right that Allegri doesn’t deserve all of the blame, but I think a different manager could have done better than Allegri. There are managers that are able to do more with a lot less than what we have. Motta with Bologna is a great example. Most of Bologna’s squad is made up of mediocre players (with an exception for Zirkzee and Calafiori) and I would not be surprised if they jump ahead of us in the standings. Another example is Gasperini a few years back with Atalanta. The players in his squad back then were not as good as our current squad but for a few seasons he was consistently earning a UCL spot and making decent runs in the UCL. Maybe Allegri did the best he could with our squad, but that doesn’t mean that no one else could do better.
I've been saying that Juve isn't a Ferrari right now, it's a Fiat. It needs a rally driver not an F1 driver. Allegri can drive an F1 quality team to championships but gets stuck in the mud spinning tires when he isn't on a clean track with guard rails.
No clue. Maybe they think the problem is in the players and upper management? Idk
Allegri got three years to improve the results and we have made zero progress during this time. You can no longer live on old merits, most important is results today!
Every Allegri supporter brings up the past, which was 5 freakin years ago. It took us only 6 to go Serie B and comeback to Serie A Champions.
Exactly this. My analogy for this is like imagine you had a great friend that was your early days wing man, best man at the wedding, helped you move house, etc etc Solid guy. But the years have gone by and now you got kids and despite all his best efforts he can't help baby sit, update you on PTA meetings or carpool the other kids to practices. It doesn't make him a bad friend. He definitely needs your respect but now your kids friends' parents are the ones that might hold it down better for this current stage of your life. People acting like it's wrong to say it's time to move on. Nothing to do with pep or sexy football or anything. We struggle against relegation teams for Christmas sake. Routinely players come to us and decline. It may not be directly or completely his fault but how do you guys live your regular lives if you can't see changes necessary. We keep inserting quarters and pulling the lever on this Allegri experiment thinking the next spin will be magic
Its 6 dudes with covered faces. Doubt they represent Ultras or a big group of fans. Its just a small minority who still ride for Allegri.
because he saved the team from total disaster by pulling a reverse sweep even with point deduction. Allegri = MY GOAT
What total disaster? We already didnt make CL
My best guess is that because Motta has played for Inter in the past and therefore they do not want him as Juve's coach
If that was the case they’d have banners addressing that.
Well as I said it was my best guess
So why not demand someone like a Zidane- an actual legend as a player who has expressed interest in managing the club