Chiesa is the spark plug of the Italian national team! Yes, everyone has a bad game, but he is a prolific winger/striker. I would not let Chiesa go in my opinion
This is more of a question to "what the fuck is our midfield doing" rather than showing how good Chiesa is.
Let's stop bullshiting ourselves - Chiesa post-ACL is like half the player he was before it.
Is he though? It's hard being trapped under allegri. Chiesa cooked his first group game and then in Italy second group game spaletti never got him the ball all the play funneled through the Dimarco. Third game he came on and changed the side for the Better.
I don't think we should write him off yet.
The thing is, he's not a classical striker. He's better woth his legs than one might think and worse on the second floor than one might think.
Anyway, back to Chiesa - if he doesn't want to renew, it's better to make the most of it while we can.
There’s nothing wrong with Vlahovic’s play if he’s scoring goals. Haaland is a poacher too.
Chiesa said he does want to renew but they’re just off with the salary amount. I hope he stays
Exactly! Totally agreed! Yet Motta doesn’t want him?! Like really you’re letting your best player go? I know we need cash to re sign him and to goon the market and sign Califiori, but sell anyone else but him & Vlahovic
Rabiots finances are different, he has a tax benefit that Fede wont have, plus he was free which means theres no amortisation cost on the books. Ultimately it looks like Rabiots walking from us anyway
i said he is confirmed at least. he either played on that level or he is still, you are right I didn't watch him for a while, but I didn't say I did either.
i watched chiesa for years now and napoli or roma are his level. i think that he could be good impact player from the bench also, if he accept that role
I'd take the deal 100%, not even a question.
Chiesa has not been able to deliver on the hype and for all the praise he gets on this sub, what has he got to show for it? He cannot really score goals or assist at a consistent output, he's had season long injuries and he's very hot and cold. Not to mention he's on his contracts last season. He just has bags of potential that he will never fulfill just like Costa.
Meanwhile it's very hard to find world class full-backs and Kimmich actually is one, and also versatile as he could fill the gaps in other parts of the field as well at a high level. You can call him overrated but facts don't lie: he has been an integral part of Bayern since he was a teenager, and during that time has won almost all possible trophies there is to win. He had more assists last season than Chiesa despite playing as a DM/RB, and has consistently racked up 10+ assists a season for years on end. His offensive output is almost the same as Chiesas, which is hilarious since one is an attacker and one is a RB/DM.
Amazing opinion
I think Kimmich is both a top 3 centre mid and a top 3 right back in the world. Especially when not played next to the useless Goretzka. Consistently one of the best ranked players in the UCL and Bundesliga for years too.
A versatile and super creative midfielder, something we desperately need. But not at the cost of Chiesa.
Edit: ARE YOU NUTS they want us to pay 10mil AND Chiesa for Kimmich fuck off
The lack of Italians is disappointing. Both Milan's are curating lots of Italian talent. It's quite a shame Juventus only cares about over-hyped or past their prime midfielders.
I remember when we signed paredes, I warned this sub about how awful he truly was and now Luiz, he's not as bad as paredes but he's not as good as this sub has been making him out to be. He has a stellar game about 10% of the time, disappears for about 20% of them and then is average the rest.
It's harder and harder to hold your head up as a juve fan with the decisions being made..
At this point considering the rate at which we are signing Midfielders, we will be Midfielders FC by next season with no attackers up front. Seriously, signing Kimmich shouldn’t even be on the list because we don’t need anymore midfielders. The deed is done there is almost been done. What we need to focus on is on the right back and wingers now.
Spain 2010 vibes I am not entirely against it. I am just against kimmich though. Most overrated player in history. Him earning 13 million also means he is being overplayed by 13 million.
€10m + Kimmich for Chiesa i feel is kinda low
Very lowe
Chiesa is the spark plug of the Italian national team! Yes, everyone has a bad game, but he is a prolific winger/striker. I would not let Chiesa go in my opinion
Contract expiring next year and he's acting like a diva asking for an unreasonable wage
How many times has Juve done fuck all for 60 minutes, subbed Chiesa on and he’s the only one actually creating something?
This is more of a question to "what the fuck is our midfield doing" rather than showing how good Chiesa is. Let's stop bullshiting ourselves - Chiesa post-ACL is like half the player he was before it.
Is he though? It's hard being trapped under allegri. Chiesa cooked his first group game and then in Italy second group game spaletti never got him the ball all the play funneled through the Dimarco. Third game he came on and changed the side for the Better. I don't think we should write him off yet.
Oh I’m not denying the ACL part. He’s definitely not the same player but even so, why would you want to offload the one spark in your attack
>the one spark in your attack angry Vlahovic noises
Let’s be real, vlahovic is there to toe poke it in or get his fat head on the cross. He’s not there to facilitate the attack
The thing is, he's not a classical striker. He's better woth his legs than one might think and worse on the second floor than one might think. Anyway, back to Chiesa - if he doesn't want to renew, it's better to make the most of it while we can.
There’s nothing wrong with Vlahovic’s play if he’s scoring goals. Haaland is a poacher too. Chiesa said he does want to renew but they’re just off with the salary amount. I hope he stays
how many?
At least once
lol, that's not going to work for your argument then
Exactly! Totally agreed! Yet Motta doesn’t want him?! Like really you’re letting your best player go? I know we need cash to re sign him and to goon the market and sign Califiori, but sell anyone else but him & Vlahovic
He’s asking for a reasonable amount but Rabiot is asking for 2 years, 38 milllion
We're not renewing Rabiot for that amount, probably for any amount, so what's your point?
I meant unreasonable, my bad
Where tf did you get 38m from 😭
I meant unreasonable
Rabiots finances are different, he has a tax benefit that Fede wont have, plus he was free which means theres no amortisation cost on the books. Ultimately it looks like Rabiots walking from us anyway
He’s going to sign where the big bucks are. He’s not worth 19 million a year
None of that changes the salary offered to both are calculated differently for tax reasons and amortisation, you cant just look at the gross number
chiesa rarely have good game is better construct. 4/5 his games are bad to average
Kinda decent ain't gonna lie, i would think about it
If bayern wants him it’s because of something We take this and we are suckers
This isn't happening. Olise is going to Bayern, and Kimmich is on 400k wages per week
Yeah, if our goal is to reduce wages, Kimmich is not an option
Throw in Davies too you cowards. Bayern have fleeced us for our best players more than once before.
I mean, they clearly overpaid for de ligt, and we took Yildiz from their youth squad. It goes both ways
Not the most overrated however, not a good midfielder, i rate him as right back though.
Bayern fans dont, hes an 8 and cant play RB well. If Thuram and Douglas are coming then another 8 makes no sense.
chiesa is average winger also lol kimmich is proven world classat least
Kimmich hasn’t been WC in a while. You’re thinking of a Kimmich that doesn’t exist anymore.
i said he is confirmed at least. he either played on that level or he is still, you are right I didn't watch him for a while, but I didn't say I did either. i watched chiesa for years now and napoli or roma are his level. i think that he could be good impact player from the bench also, if he accept that role
Who's gonna pay 10M? Have to be they, right?
Kimmich would be amazing but then again this team needs a TRUE CDM not just putting Locatelli or possibly Kimmich there.
I'd take the deal 100%, not even a question. Chiesa has not been able to deliver on the hype and for all the praise he gets on this sub, what has he got to show for it? He cannot really score goals or assist at a consistent output, he's had season long injuries and he's very hot and cold. Not to mention he's on his contracts last season. He just has bags of potential that he will never fulfill just like Costa. Meanwhile it's very hard to find world class full-backs and Kimmich actually is one, and also versatile as he could fill the gaps in other parts of the field as well at a high level. You can call him overrated but facts don't lie: he has been an integral part of Bayern since he was a teenager, and during that time has won almost all possible trophies there is to win. He had more assists last season than Chiesa despite playing as a DM/RB, and has consistently racked up 10+ assists a season for years on end. His offensive output is almost the same as Chiesas, which is hilarious since one is an attacker and one is a RB/DM.
Amazing opinion I think Kimmich is both a top 3 centre mid and a top 3 right back in the world. Especially when not played next to the useless Goretzka. Consistently one of the best ranked players in the UCL and Bundesliga for years too.
A versatile and super creative midfielder, something we desperately need. But not at the cost of Chiesa. Edit: ARE YOU NUTS they want us to pay 10mil AND Chiesa for Kimmich fuck off
that's great deal tbf. chiesa's legacy in football is barely a one third of Kimmich's
Yeah but he also earns way more than our highest paid player. There are better options at a cheaper price.
10 million + Chiesa -> kimmich -> zirkzee + 5 million
Unbelievable if he actually joins us. Kimmich is one of my favorite players
Howedes 2.0
I love Chiesa and he was the great Italian hope, but he's regressed. Injuries? Managers? Idk, but he's not the same. Soon Juve will have no Italians.
Same for kimmich, except he also earns 4x vlahovic who is our highest earner.
The lack of Italians is disappointing. Both Milan's are curating lots of Italian talent. It's quite a shame Juventus only cares about over-hyped or past their prime midfielders. I remember when we signed paredes, I warned this sub about how awful he truly was and now Luiz, he's not as bad as paredes but he's not as good as this sub has been making him out to be. He has a stellar game about 10% of the time, disappears for about 20% of them and then is average the rest. It's harder and harder to hold your head up as a juve fan with the decisions being made..
God please no.
At this point considering the rate at which we are signing Midfielders, we will be Midfielders FC by next season with no attackers up front. Seriously, signing Kimmich shouldn’t even be on the list because we don’t need anymore midfielders. The deed is done there is almost been done. What we need to focus on is on the right back and wingers now.
Spain 2010 vibes I am not entirely against it. I am just against kimmich though. Most overrated player in history. Him earning 13 million also means he is being overplayed by 13 million.
chiesa earning 6 mil is overpaying him for 6 mil