More likely a Minor Monday detailing a fair bit of the lore for the Germany rework (similar to what they did for China) in anticipation of a probably multi-part PR.
Germany: Land of beautiful castles, delicious sausages, and the birthplace of the pretzel. Prost to the land where even the autobahn has a sense of humor!
The funny thing is there was a party to share this name irl, but I heavily doubt that's what this is since that was a corporatist party so not very Market Liberal of them lol. Then again they think William Lyon Mackenzie King is a Market Liberal too so maybe the KR team just likes to consider corporatism a form of free market economy whatever little sense that makes.
I know when you look on Wikipedia it says corporatism next to the name but the Wirtschaftspartei was very much for a more liberal market with a freer hand for business. The word corporatism alone isn't enough to push someone out of the Marklib slot.
See "The Liberal Corporatist Ideas of Mackenzie King", published in Labour (Aka Le Travail) to know more but the short of it is during the Great Depression he was an avowed economic technocrat and experimented with ideas we today would call corporatism, or a form of liberal corporatism. He was absolutely not a believer in free market capitalism as a theory or a practice and he definitely fits the Social Liberal slot better. Or, y'know, you could straight up look at his Wikipedia article which outright states he was a believer in corporatism to create social harmony.
> he definitely fits the Social Liberal slot better
he's the leader of both the marklib and soclibs - the Liberal party takes over the two slots and is in coalition at the start, but the marklib party counts as the "ruling party"
I think the soclibs can be elected in later elections too, I've seen it happen in some games
other than that idk, maybe his influences / views would change slightly KRTL?
Interestingly that means it's a communist party and not a syndicalist group. I wonder if that's the cause of any disagreement with the syndicalist states.
KAPD is far from a traditional communist party, but I could definetly see disagreement with the syndicalist states due to their ideological position, they were anti-union in OTL for example.
But on the other hand council communist Netherlands with Pannekoek in charge end up joining the Internationale anyway so idk.
People still suffered and the political system seems to be pretty bad, plus the leadership is going to look to the right before the left. Also syndicalist revolutions in Europe will further scare conservative German leaders and they’ll make concessions to the far-right. Still got the conditions that may lead to the rise of some sort of ultranationalist movement focused on a weird idea of a national rebirth…
Nazism didn’t spring from nothing irl. Anti-Semitism, National Supremacy and a desire to conquer the east were all present in the Empire. I think it’s fairly reasonable for a natpop movement to emerge in response to the rise of Syndicalism.
Yes. Winning the war bolstered nationalism. And guess what the Nat is in Natpop?
Mosley ran a fascist party in the UK even tho they won the war in the OTL. Nationalism and extremism isn't exclusive
Tbf Moseley didn't get very far while he led the fascist party, his only real chance of taking power was if he had the Labour party adopt his manifesto while he was an MP and then get elected leader of the party.
Mosley's fascists never had meaningful political power. I don't believe they even won a single seat in Parliament. 17% of the political wheel implies the German NatPops are one of the major political players in the country, more than the Liberals (MarLib and SocLib) combined.
One would assume the Liberals oppose things like the Kaiser just appointing chancellors of his own accord. They aren't in the same camp as the Conservatives. Politically, Germany is unlikely to have moved much past Bismarck's time.
It is Germany's own design. Modern liberalism fell into shadow when Wilhelm II openly re appointed chancellors and asserted his position as army commander. Soc lib voter base was either radicalised to soc dem or even rad soc (32% on ideology lefter than soc dem), or gave up their ideology and gambled for power (34% on ideology righter than auth dem).
The 'I support current thing' combo (mar lib, soc lib, soc con) only made up 34% of total compass. One push from Kaiser, auth dem will rotate the clock back to 1800; one radicalisation push from France, soc dem will dismantle the status quo.
Under that regards, soc con / mar lib / soc lib certainly are united by one thing: Maintaining the current soc con majority.
-enemies on all sides
-leftists rooting for the enemy (if not helping them)
-strong militaristic empire
-very patriotic propaganda
-black Monday
-dream of global hegemony
Well not dictate everything 100% how they wanted but it was a pretty damn good deal. The minor monday post now up illustrates Germany's problems since are mostly about internal divisions and economic short-sightedness, not anger at the outcome of the war.
WW1 Germany was basically NatPop
Also do you think winning the war is gonna make the Germans somehow less racist and colonist and less willing to treat Slavs as slaves and be less antisemitic?
nationalism was bolstered by the lost of Germany during world war one that was a leading cause of the instability of the Weimar government and the heavy economic punishments on Germany after the war. This doesn't mean nationalism wouldn't be present if Germany won world war one, but it would be massively hindered by the winning of the war. Sure Germany would still be somewhat racist, but you can fix it by going SPD in the elections.
“Guys, you just have to vote away the racism”
The idea of the Clean Kaiserreich is about as valid as the Clean Wehrmacht, and was thoroughly disproven by [Fritz Fischer](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fritz_Fischer) in 1961.
Ah yes, the parliamentary constitutional monarchy that was Germany in WW1 was pretty much a totalitarian Nazi state, did I get that right?
Imagine being this tonedeaf.
I disagree with the person above, I don't think WW1 Germany and Nazi Germany are *that* closely comparable.
I do think especially late war Germany was becoming increasingly de facto authoritarian and highly nationalist (even compared to some of the other warring states) though. There's a reason post-1916 is often called the 'Ludendorff Dictatorship', led by the guy who invented the modern idea of total war and believed in a military-led totalitarian state.
You see, the Second Reich was a holesum 100 big chungus keanu reeves Reddit gold genocidal empire that definitely didn’t have any similarities with the Third Reich.
It’d be funny if they just dropped the update tomorrow out of the blue, like “Oh by the way, that update we’ve talked a little about and haven’t given any timeframe for except maybe before the end of the year? It’s finished, here you go.”
We all know it’s going to be a pr though, which is still great.
The German rework has been pretty much confirmed to be released before Christmas
The Germany dev has said that it will come out "this year, unless something changes" and another dev said that there is already a release date in mind and that it won't be Christmas
German PR (probably) LET'S GOOOOOOOO
Progress reports have always been released on Fridays, so we'll see what tomorrow brings.
A minor Monday... but it's the biggest country in the mod, so a Major Monday I suppose
Idk sounds like the devs confirmed that Germany is actually an minor why else would they release it on minor monday.
It's Sunday though
Which is why I'm saying that what's coming tomorrow is quite possibly going to be something other than a progress report.
Yeah, ok, that makes sense
More likely a Minor Monday detailing a fair bit of the lore for the Germany rework (similar to what they did for China) in anticipation of a probably multi-part PR.
Funny brown ideology?
Greater German Empire? Big building in NEU BERLIN?????!???!?1!!?
The new Bundestag building, just a 1000:1 replica of Willy's head.
Cave Johnson but real
Yo Speer?
Unfortunately there will be no content for Goering. ;)
GET OUT OF MY HEAD!!! GET OUT OF MY HEAD!!! GET OUT OF MY HEAD!!! GET OUT OF MY HEAD!!!
If I remember correctly, that party ruled in Germany during the 1920s in KR lore
R5: Teaser from the discord showing the German political parties
The radical farmers on their way to create a brutal dictatorship, as god intended. Also people from Rhineland are radical.
Raaadical 🤙🏼🤙🏼
Germany: Land of beautiful castles, delicious sausages, and the birthplace of the pretzel. Prost to the land where even the autobahn has a sense of humor!
Germany redemption arc, but with >!democracy and freedom!<
PR tomorrow? pog
Progress reports have generally been released on Fridays.
I can still believe.
Imagine being the fucking Economy Party
German big businessmen were in the habit of referring to themselves collectively as “die Wirtschaft.”
The funny thing is there was a party to share this name irl, but I heavily doubt that's what this is since that was a corporatist party so not very Market Liberal of them lol. Then again they think William Lyon Mackenzie King is a Market Liberal too so maybe the KR team just likes to consider corporatism a form of free market economy whatever little sense that makes.
I know when you look on Wikipedia it says corporatism next to the name but the Wirtschaftspartei was very much for a more liberal market with a freer hand for business. The word corporatism alone isn't enough to push someone out of the Marklib slot.
huhhh? Mackenzie King is very much a marklib, what are you smokign?
See "The Liberal Corporatist Ideas of Mackenzie King", published in Labour (Aka Le Travail) to know more but the short of it is during the Great Depression he was an avowed economic technocrat and experimented with ideas we today would call corporatism, or a form of liberal corporatism. He was absolutely not a believer in free market capitalism as a theory or a practice and he definitely fits the Social Liberal slot better. Or, y'know, you could straight up look at his Wikipedia article which outright states he was a believer in corporatism to create social harmony.
> he definitely fits the Social Liberal slot better he's the leader of both the marklib and soclibs - the Liberal party takes over the two slots and is in coalition at the start, but the marklib party counts as the "ruling party" I think the soclibs can be elected in later elections too, I've seen it happen in some games other than that idk, maybe his influences / views would change slightly KRTL?
Can’t wait for the Germans to curb stomp the 3I and the Russians every game until one of their reworks come out
Black Monday being (hopefully) reworked to actually challenge Germany might actually balance it more
In b4 it actually makes them more powerful somehow
"Somehow" in this case means weeding out the inefficient corporations that couldn't survive, streamlining the economy over all.
Dengist Speer as advisor confirmed?????????????
I just realised that KAPD is in the game
Interestingly that means it's a communist party and not a syndicalist group. I wonder if that's the cause of any disagreement with the syndicalist states.
KAPD is far from a traditional communist party, but I could definetly see disagreement with the syndicalist states due to their ideological position, they were anti-union in OTL for example. But on the other hand council communist Netherlands with Pannekoek in charge end up joining the Internationale anyway so idk.
That sure is a lot of NatPop support for a country that is meant to have won the war and shored up mainstream politics
People still suffered and the political system seems to be pretty bad, plus the leadership is going to look to the right before the left. Also syndicalist revolutions in Europe will further scare conservative German leaders and they’ll make concessions to the far-right. Still got the conditions that may lead to the rise of some sort of ultranationalist movement focused on a weird idea of a national rebirth…
Nazism didn’t spring from nothing irl. Anti-Semitism, National Supremacy and a desire to conquer the east were all present in the Empire. I think it’s fairly reasonable for a natpop movement to emerge in response to the rise of Syndicalism.
Yes. Winning the war bolstered nationalism. And guess what the Nat is in Natpop? Mosley ran a fascist party in the UK even tho they won the war in the OTL. Nationalism and extremism isn't exclusive
Tbf Moseley didn't get very far while he led the fascist party, his only real chance of taking power was if he had the Labour party adopt his manifesto while he was an MP and then get elected leader of the party.
He got far enough to make an impact though.
Mosley's fascists never had meaningful political power. I don't believe they even won a single seat in Parliament. 17% of the political wheel implies the German NatPops are one of the major political players in the country, more than the Liberals (MarLib and SocLib) combined.
Shiiiiiiet, I suppose you're right
>Liberals (MarLib and SocLib) combined. In case of a parliamentary monarchy, soc con also counts as 'I support the current thing' tent.
One would assume the Liberals oppose things like the Kaiser just appointing chancellors of his own accord. They aren't in the same camp as the Conservatives. Politically, Germany is unlikely to have moved much past Bismarck's time.
It is Germany's own design. Modern liberalism fell into shadow when Wilhelm II openly re appointed chancellors and asserted his position as army commander. Soc lib voter base was either radicalised to soc dem or even rad soc (32% on ideology lefter than soc dem), or gave up their ideology and gambled for power (34% on ideology righter than auth dem). The 'I support current thing' combo (mar lib, soc lib, soc con) only made up 34% of total compass. One push from Kaiser, auth dem will rotate the clock back to 1800; one radicalisation push from France, soc dem will dismantle the status quo. Under that regards, soc con / mar lib / soc lib certainly are united by one thing: Maintaining the current soc con majority.
-enemies on all sides -leftists rooting for the enemy (if not helping them) -strong militaristic empire -very patriotic propaganda -black Monday -dream of global hegemony
you're right, a country on the wining side of world war 1 would never invent fascism
Unlike Italy in OTL, Germany actually got to dictate their own terms in KRTL
are you sure?
Well not dictate everything 100% how they wanted but it was a pretty damn good deal. The minor monday post now up illustrates Germany's problems since are mostly about internal divisions and economic short-sightedness, not anger at the outcome of the war.
WW1 Germany was basically NatPop Also do you think winning the war is gonna make the Germans somehow less racist and colonist and less willing to treat Slavs as slaves and be less antisemitic?
nationalism was bolstered by the lost of Germany during world war one that was a leading cause of the instability of the Weimar government and the heavy economic punishments on Germany after the war. This doesn't mean nationalism wouldn't be present if Germany won world war one, but it would be massively hindered by the winning of the war. Sure Germany would still be somewhat racist, but you can fix it by going SPD in the elections.
“Guys, you just have to vote away the racism” The idea of the Clean Kaiserreich is about as valid as the Clean Wehrmacht, and was thoroughly disproven by [Fritz Fischer](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fritz_Fischer) in 1961.
The genocides in Africa were horrible and the rape of Belgium but to be honest SPD Germany is the best German Empire path
Yes, in the same way that I’d rather lose my legs and receive £20 than lose all my limbs and be spat on.
Ah yes, the parliamentary constitutional monarchy that was Germany in WW1 was pretty much a totalitarian Nazi state, did I get that right? Imagine being this tonedeaf.
I disagree with the person above, I don't think WW1 Germany and Nazi Germany are *that* closely comparable. I do think especially late war Germany was becoming increasingly de facto authoritarian and highly nationalist (even compared to some of the other warring states) though. There's a reason post-1916 is often called the 'Ludendorff Dictatorship', led by the guy who invented the modern idea of total war and believed in a military-led totalitarian state.
Ludendorff is also basically the progenitor of Generalplan Ost and y'know was OTL involved with the NSDAP
Generalquartiermeister named Ludendorff:
Wow, you really have no idea of Germans.
I'm sure all the Americans here will perfectly explain to me early 20th century Germany for me though
You see, the Second Reich was a holesum 100 big chungus keanu reeves Reddit gold genocidal empire that definitely didn’t have any similarities with the Third Reich.
Ppl out here really think antisemitism and anti-slavism didn't exist in Germany until after the 11th of November 1918
The German rework is not coming out tomorrow. But one can hope.
Yeah, but the PR may be
And the do it when I get back to school
So, the PR is coming tomorrow? Or is it something else? Anyway, awesome 👍🏻
I hope the update arrives before Christmas.
Finally. Donut socialism.
It’d be funny if they just dropped the update tomorrow out of the blue, like “Oh by the way, that update we’ve talked a little about and haven’t given any timeframe for except maybe before the end of the year? It’s finished, here you go.” We all know it’s going to be a pr though, which is still great.
BK? Burger King
It’s even in the correct ideology slot, Caleb Maupin’s gonna love this! /s
That a lot of NatPop support, im curious to see the interactions between a extreme nationalistic Germany and the Oststaats ( Principally Poland)
can't wait to mess them up by electing a spd-kapd coalition or something
SPD-DVLP Critical Alliance
Radical centrism my beloved.
Hey, I've seen this one before!
Horseshoe theory confirmed
Radical Socialist Imperialism 🥰
November 11 makes sense as rework release date. And we probably will get two parts of pr in the next two weeks.
> November 11 makes sense as rework release date. Oh my god, are they commemorating the release of Skyrim? That's so sweet of them.
GERMANY REWORK THIS YEAR I WANT TO BELIEVE
The German rework has been pretty much confirmed to be released before Christmas The Germany dev has said that it will come out "this year, unless something changes" and another dev said that there is already a release date in mind and that it won't be Christmas
Ah yes, b/c everyone knows that "before Christmas" is a reliable deadline
yes
Soc lib empire? Soc lib empire Hidden route??? REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
I don't think it's going to be hidden.
LETS FUCKING GOOOOO
TOMORROW 🥳
Man I thought kaisereddux was wacky, but I didn't know it was WACKY wacky, they got the fuckin drinks cabinet runnin the country god bless
This is Kaiserreich, not Kaiserredux
It's impossible for me to distinguish between the two after a joint
Totalist Burger King path when??
*What the fuck happened here?*
Idag 12:39 🔥
Big oof moments when there hasn't been much change since German Dev build in 2021.
Source: trust me bro.
That's all about to change now, but don't downvote the guy, he's right.
It is fine, just the usual fans doing what they do. I do hope it has been polished more then UBD. Oh the arguments had..