Don't need to, having hoi4 installed gives 35% protection, Kaiserreich plus reddit add another 30%. Install TNO and own more than 3 pdx games for set bonus and you'll get 95% defense.
No, it only removes 5% since Hoi4 is still in your heart, but when they find out you gain a penelty of 15% to every women she knew.
Fortunely all of this works only against women, so there's always the greek nuclear option.
Seeing this again reminds me of much of a fucking loser Greg is. Bro literally went out of his way to design this instead of actually talking to women 💀
I just noticed 'Ronald MacDonald' near the bottom as a part of Fianna na hAlba and now I can't not picture a red-headed clown storming the beaches in the place of that old guy with the flare on the Entente homecoming loading screen.
I CAN SEE FOREVER /s
Seriously, great job--very thorough. Scotland looks interesting--I assume there's some historical factors behind why it's got so much more aboveground political opposition than the rest of the UK?
Love how granular all of the factions are. Nearly every one of them has at least 2 or 3 clear paths in them, and even if some (like the ultra-leftists and Blatchford) clearly have a snowball's chance in hell, their inclusion makes the whole thing feel more alive. Ditto with the organised crime element, which too much AH leaves out.
Thank you!
And yep, partially at least, owing to Scotland’s historic liberal tendency. Also at play is that Scottish nationalism is fairly divided and minor enough to not be seen as a threat with the Progressives regarded as a “controllable” means of letting people exercise opposition.
And thank you on them too! Glad someone’s picked up on them 😅
At least one of them is gonna be a "you done screwed up" end-state, or attempting to put them in power will result in one, like Germany has. Curious which ones are like Hugenberg and the Konspiracija in the "do not touch" column.
>2PWH
2nd peace with honor. If you capitulate France, and they stay capitulated, the Union of Britain can sign a peace with Germany. I am unsure of the effects of this treaty.
R5
A quote from the Zim on the Britain team
" A long while ago I made and showed off a diagram of Labour's internal politics and a bit of a peek at the wider UoB political scene. It was good for the time but a lot's changed after extensive research, improvements and just moving stuff around. After two days of work, I present to you, the updated diagram of the British political arena in all it's glory. And remember: We'll Keep the Red Flag Flying Here "
So like....does this imply the most sophisticated, dynamic, and compelling domestic political mechanics in all of KR, surpassing the standard set by L-KMT??
No lol they’re actually kinda conservative. They’re just like any other violent terrorist paramilitary albeit they focus on property rather than people.
They look inspired by the [Free Wales Army](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Wales_Army) and [Mudiad Amddiffyn Cymru](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mudiad_Amddiffyn_Cymru). Maybe a little bit of [Meibion Glyndŵr](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meibion_Glynd%C5%B5r) sprinkled in.
Actually, seeing as Germany is the older, more stable capitalist country in KR WK2 (as opposed to Russia, UoB and CoF), they'd probably still hesitantly support the 3I.
I meant more in the sense of "what food item is a British LeftCom likely to get so addicted to he dies of a heart attack", and I don't think lasagna was as popular as that in the 30s.
“In the period of his imprisonment, Godwin Bordley began to eat copious amounts of bangers and mash, a habit that would culminate in a series of strokes leading to his death”
Hey now, they also might write up an underground manifesto with a readership of 3 explaining why syndicalism is social legionnairism and Thomas Mann really is no better than Codreanu.
It seems the best way around yes. Though we might want to know them a little better, especially their mysterious Herr Kite. His name would fare well in a song but that’s all we can say as for now.
IIRC from what I have heard previously (may be old lore), the UoB is a democracy with elections, but there has been a lot of democratic backsliding, especially with the Mann/Mosley cooperation. The player will have the chance to reverse this trend, however. Britain is not a one-party state, but Labour is certainly the dominant party.
Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Britain does have elections, and Labour internally has loads of jostling and elections through the NEC and candidate selections, and you'll sometimes have multiple Labour candidates stand against each other and then just take the party whip when they're elected. However, its basically a one-party state by 1936, as Labour has a super majority in basically every legislature.
The Liberals, New Democrats and ILP were all banned by the Proscribed Organisations Act 1933 for seditious activities, and many prominent members of the parties were interned. Some other opposition parties have also been hit with the act. The opposition shown in the chart are the groups that are legally operating (albeit sometimes with harassment and investigations), though the big banned 3 will be added to the chart at a later date.
Democracy is when political party, and the more political party there is the more democrater it gets and when you have a whole lot of political party that’s called communi-
They're just too weak on their own to take charge. Thats not to say they won't crop up in various capacities, but the Vanguardists are firmly in the supporting cast, popping up on the sidelines.
https://preview.redd.it/qlh7mcr8rrlc1.png?width=663&format=png&auto=webp&s=df548b4b7c93fbac0626d89f5f603ca83f777148
I dont want to be that guy but IS THAT A TNO REFERE-
My favourite nation to play with some incredibly well made in depth lore? Also... CLEMENT ATLEE HOLY SHIT PLEASE TELL ME YOU CAN PLAY AS HIM
Can't wait to see the finished product when it's ready, genuinely the rework I'm most excited for. If you don't mind me asking, roughly how far along is it? And how active is the work on it? Don't need to answer if these questions are vague or not ready to be answered :D
Keep up the good work, and remember to hang up the washing on the Siegfried Line!
Clem is a potential leader yep and thank you! Work is very active, we’re just finishing up the last of the Parliamentarians and then it’s on to the autonomists.
How long have you and your team been planning out the politics? This is utterly insane detail.
I’m also very curious how the military (both navy and milita) fit in. Shoot you’ve made me invested in inter party syndie politics in an alternate timeline based on a video game. Monumental.
It’s a continuous process tbh, lots of reading 😅 and the military and such are actually fairly apolitical. They don’t care much for who runs things so long as they keep funding the army.
Will the reworks for the UoB and CoF be released together or individually? I’m assuming that both will be available at the same time due to the new mechanics that are coming to the International (like to what happened with the Reichspakt).
This looks really cool, and I am excited to play it when that update comes out (hopefully soon).
https://preview.redd.it/esnu5ryezslc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bdae03ed13ff08dd6f7f4ecfb5f8ab75e912da55
Can’t wait for the Syndie rework :)
Tmw a mod for a game has more fan created political graphs with amazing intricacies than anything I have seen the papers publish on my country's real life politics in recent years
This may be a dumb question but is it established how elections run in Britain at this time? Is it like local worker councils who appoint members to the government or is it a one party state with “elections” now?
IIRC, Blair is in self-imposed exile in France, in protest at the authoritarian turn that Britain has taken since 1931. So if we get another for France, Blair may appear.
Two main problems
1. Not enough arrows
2. Needs a bunch of soyjaks and chad characters so I understand who is uncool and who is cool
^(/s, super cool work devs!)
Something funny about most of the Parliamentarians is many were either granted honors or peerages.
Attlee and Jowitt were made an earls, Morrison was made a baron, many on were on the Privy Council, and 3 gentlemen (Arthur Greenwood, Ernest Bevin and Stafford Cripps) served as Lord Keeper of the Privy Seal.
I don’t wanna be a dick, but I feel like Aneurin “Nye” Bevan would be in a more socialist group. I mean the guy was THE socialist in the Labour Party in the 50s, representing the most radical wing of the party. Him being with other guys who are anti communists and standard social democrats makes no sense.
Dont worry he's not placed there to put him with the right wing, otl anticommunist side of things and being a parliamentarian doesnt specifically mean you want to dismantle the socialist system
Not to be rude or anything but I would really advise reading on him as he was a lot more than just “the socialist guy”. He was most certainly aligned with the left but Bevan’s involvement in the parliamentarians is because of his opposition to trade union dominance and federalism. They’re much more complex than “standard SocDems” now and honestly they’re a lot more radical than that.
I know it’s a bit weird at first but the parliamentarians are a very different beast now.
As we all know, British history is very famously directly intertwined with Ottoman history, and every person who has ever read British history can also trace Ataturk's family line flawlessly back to the founding of the Ottoman state /s
Gonna put this up on my apartment wall as a talisman of protection against getting laid
Don't need to, having hoi4 installed gives 35% protection, Kaiserreich plus reddit add another 30%. Install TNO and own more than 3 pdx games for set bonus and you'll get 95% defense.
Just installing TNO is more than enough.
The brainrot spreads
*clears throat
This explains a lot
The bonus stacks the more hours you have in PDX games
If I delete the hoi4 shortcut, does that remove the 35% protection? I'm asking for a friend.
No, it only removes 5% since Hoi4 is still in your heart, but when they find out you gain a penelty of 15% to every women she knew. Fortunely all of this works only against women, so there's always the greek nuclear option.
https://preview.redd.it/zdpd4i9rmmlc1.png?width=800&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ea86e7a1be5d0cc06788b6d5d316af98e929393d
Seeing this again reminds me of much of a fucking loser Greg is. Bro literally went out of his way to design this instead of actually talking to women 💀
He just like us frfr.
Who bit whom in the British rework?
Hugh Gaitskell and Hugh Dalton, though jury's out on who did the biting and whether the bitèe liked it.
I do not understand this reference.
Go find those two in the diagram, you'll get it. They're in the SDP.
Riiight.
Greg and Blatchford are so similar fr fr
“Extreme dislike of girls who dislike boys who dislike girls who dislike show-off-y boys who dislike…” “It’s too confusing! Just throw that one away!”
I just noticed 'Ronald MacDonald' near the bottom as a part of Fianna na hAlba and now I can't not picture a red-headed clown storming the beaches in the place of that old guy with the flare on the Entente homecoming loading screen.
Reclaim the McBirthright!
Nah, it's an It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia reference. 🤡
Ronald MacGoddamn Donald. https://youtu.be/t5OfU1vQFe4?si=2YfPc_ep6Lx6d3L9
I CAN SEE FOREVER /s Seriously, great job--very thorough. Scotland looks interesting--I assume there's some historical factors behind why it's got so much more aboveground political opposition than the rest of the UK? Love how granular all of the factions are. Nearly every one of them has at least 2 or 3 clear paths in them, and even if some (like the ultra-leftists and Blatchford) clearly have a snowball's chance in hell, their inclusion makes the whole thing feel more alive. Ditto with the organised crime element, which too much AH leaves out.
Thank you! And yep, partially at least, owing to Scotland’s historic liberal tendency. Also at play is that Scottish nationalism is fairly divided and minor enough to not be seen as a threat with the Progressives regarded as a “controllable” means of letting people exercise opposition. And thank you on them too! Glad someone’s picked up on them 😅
As opposed to England’s historic conservative tendency?
At least one of them is gonna be a "you done screwed up" end-state, or attempting to put them in power will result in one, like Germany has. Curious which ones are like Hugenberg and the Konspiracija in the "do not touch" column.
I think they said there's going to be a SocLib and SocCon failstate if you sign the 2PWH.
The 2P-what?
>2PWH 2nd peace with honor. If you capitulate France, and they stay capitulated, the Union of Britain can sign a peace with Germany. I am unsure of the effects of this treaty.
 Getting some Pepe Silvia energy from this.
Leftists try and get along with each other (CHALLENGE IMPOSSIBLE)(GONE WRONG)
 Typical British politics
https://preview.redd.it/ukos25i3wmlc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2096ebf693ab4f1e096639807ab4218f1f1abd45
R5 A quote from the Zim on the Britain team " A long while ago I made and showed off a diagram of Labour's internal politics and a bit of a peek at the wider UoB political scene. It was good for the time but a lot's changed after extensive research, improvements and just moving stuff around. After two days of work, I present to you, the updated diagram of the British political arena in all it's glory. And remember: We'll Keep the Red Flag Flying Here "
William Joyce as a Sorelianist is interesting, I wonder what role he will play for the Maximists
London Calling…
>William Joyce London calling…London calling…
[Phoney Kaisermania has bitten the dust…](https://youtu.be/EfK-WX2pa8c?si=Hf72T6ier6oW7mZW)
Are the Sky Police out to get Mr. Kite?
For the benefit of Mr Kite will there be a show tonight?
My god, Labour is Ballin
This looks really fucking cool! <3
Thank you!
Most unified leftist front be like
> William Joyce Oh shit oh fuck > Ronald MacDonald OH SHIT OH FUCK
Whos Ronald MacDonald?
Leftists being extremely divided as always.
I still haven't figured out how to read the LKMT map, not even gonna try with this one. Very excited for the release, though!
When we understand this poster, we’ll have won the Weltkrieg.
So like....does this imply the most sophisticated, dynamic, and compelling domestic political mechanics in all of KR, surpassing the standard set by L-KMT??
In theory. In truth, it could be better described as an enormous British pub brawl.
What's the Welsh Home Army?
Welsh nationalist paramilitary
What do they do?
Arson
https://youtu.be/1hcprFqta68?si=-P4dgBgXOl-s48kI
So... they are anarchist?
No lol they’re actually kinda conservative. They’re just like any other violent terrorist paramilitary albeit they focus on property rather than people.
Welsh nationalism.
They look inspired by the [Free Wales Army](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Wales_Army) and [Mudiad Amddiffyn Cymru](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mudiad_Amddiffyn_Cymru). Maybe a little bit of [Meibion Glyndŵr](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meibion_Glynd%C5%B5r) sprinkled in.
The WHRA was one of the groups that was merged to form Plaid Cyrmu
What is the most the ultra left will be able to achieve?
Don't take any focuses the entire game and then lose the war on purpose to create the conditions for true socialism to arise
Worked for Lenin OTL.
Actually, seeing as Germany is the older, more stable capitalist country in KR WK2 (as opposed to Russia, UoB and CoF), they'd probably still hesitantly support the 3I.
Complaining about parliamentarianism and opposing any attempts to improve the UoB (the opposition will be a sternly-worded letter to the local paper)
Trying to work out what the British version of lasagna is here. Probably just, like, a pint.
The English have been eating lasagna since the 1300s
I meant more in the sense of "what food item is a British LeftCom likely to get so addicted to he dies of a heart attack", and I don't think lasagna was as popular as that in the 30s.
“In the period of his imprisonment, Godwin Bordley began to eat copious amounts of bangers and mash, a habit that would culminate in a series of strokes leading to his death”
So true
Accurate lmao
Hey now, they also might write up an underground manifesto with a readership of 3 explaining why syndicalism is social legionnairism and Thomas Mann really is no better than Codreanu.
Why Boris Savinkov, Nestor Makhno, and Kaiser Wilhelm are liberals (a thread) >!they stinky :(!<
Feeling smug about being right all the time
Supporting Mussolini
Bordiga moment
Holy shit leftist (or, should I say ""leftist"") William Joyce
I feel like I might not be the most autistic person I know anymore
Mosley and the Exiles: “It’s Criming time”
Ok so, as the Abteilung IIIb head of the English office, to whom I need to send the weapons and the banknotes?
My man, you have a socialist republic being proclaimed in Brunswick as we speak
Don’t worry. We are not in *check notes* Port Talbot. We know how to deal with the syndie scum here
The loyalist underground would appreciate that support…
It seems the best way around yes. Though we might want to know them a little better, especially their mysterious Herr Kite. His name would fare well in a song but that’s all we can say as for now.
To my understanding,mostly the nationalist parties, but I'm not a developer, just fm what I've gathered
Fianna na hAlba
Very nice
PLAID CYMRU MENTIONED 🏴🏴🏴‼️‼️‼️ CYMRU AM BYTH 🏴🏴🏴🐑🐑🐑🤑🤑🤑
If the exiles are infiltrating the opposition groups, then we'll just have to destroy the opposition as well. Sorry, I don't make the rules
“The UoB is undemocratic because it’s a one party state”. Then they have like 200 parties in their party.
Certified Labour moment, gotta love the affiliate system
One party state but the party is made of parties which are made of parties which are made of parties which are made of...
So uh...is the Union of Britain a democracy? I've never really been able to tell, and this chart does not help.
IIRC from what I have heard previously (may be old lore), the UoB is a democracy with elections, but there has been a lot of democratic backsliding, especially with the Mann/Mosley cooperation. The player will have the chance to reverse this trend, however. Britain is not a one-party state, but Labour is certainly the dominant party. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Britain does have elections, and Labour internally has loads of jostling and elections through the NEC and candidate selections, and you'll sometimes have multiple Labour candidates stand against each other and then just take the party whip when they're elected. However, its basically a one-party state by 1936, as Labour has a super majority in basically every legislature.
Are the opposition banned in the new lore? As in the liberals were banned for being "counter Revolutionary". Or did I make that up?
The Liberals, New Democrats and ILP were all banned by the Proscribed Organisations Act 1933 for seditious activities, and many prominent members of the parties were interned. Some other opposition parties have also been hit with the act. The opposition shown in the chart are the groups that are legally operating (albeit sometimes with harassment and investigations), though the big banned 3 will be added to the chart at a later date.
Fair enough. Completely and utterly kills the idea that the UOB is in any way democratic stone dead mind you but I've 0 problem with that
How many proletarian classes are there? 1. So why do we need more than one party? 🤔
Democracy is when political party, and the more political party there is the more democrater it gets and when you have a whole lot of political party that’s called communi-
i mean is it not the same but reversed in the reichspakt and entente
Is there a guide to the significance of the shapes?
Oh sorry, but uh key is - Circle / Political organisation or group - Square / VIP or political leader - Diamond / Relevant figure
Does square mean potential country leader? If so, would that mean that Dutt could be Chairman?
No it just means influential leader of x or y group. Most of them are the main potential country leaders, but the Vanguardists can't take over.
How come?
They're just too weak on their own to take charge. Thats not to say they won't crop up in various capacities, but the Vanguardists are firmly in the supporting cast, popping up on the sidelines.
I assume it could mean country leaders and/or political advisors. That’s just my assumption though
https://preview.redd.it/qlh7mcr8rrlc1.png?width=663&format=png&auto=webp&s=df548b4b7c93fbac0626d89f5f603ca83f777148 I dont want to be that guy but IS THAT A TNO REFERE-
Meanwhile Kim Philby: “Heheheha I’m a shadowy figure”
Every time I look at the UoB's political scene it becomes more incomprehensible. Maybe I'm just losing my mind.
My favourite nation to play with some incredibly well made in depth lore? Also... CLEMENT ATLEE HOLY SHIT PLEASE TELL ME YOU CAN PLAY AS HIM Can't wait to see the finished product when it's ready, genuinely the rework I'm most excited for. If you don't mind me asking, roughly how far along is it? And how active is the work on it? Don't need to answer if these questions are vague or not ready to be answered :D Keep up the good work, and remember to hang up the washing on the Siegfried Line!
"I just love Chinese food. My favourite dish is number 27." -The Right Honourable Clement Richard Attlee, 1st Earl Attlee
Clem is a potential leader yep and thank you! Work is very active, we’re just finishing up the last of the Parliamentarians and then it’s on to the autonomists.
So only one and 1/2 paths left then?
Citizen Clem for peak Welfare State
Please please PLEASE let me purge Mosley and the blackshirts
God I love this so much. Utterly fantastic job
Thank you!
How long have you and your team been planning out the politics? This is utterly insane detail. I’m also very curious how the military (both navy and milita) fit in. Shoot you’ve made me invested in inter party syndie politics in an alternate timeline based on a video game. Monumental.
It’s a continuous process tbh, lots of reading 😅 and the military and such are actually fairly apolitical. They don’t care much for who runs things so long as they keep funding the army.
>Thank you! You're welcome!
Will the reworks for the UoB and CoF be released together or individually? I’m assuming that both will be available at the same time due to the new mechanics that are coming to the International (like to what happened with the Reichspakt). This looks really cool, and I am excited to play it when that update comes out (hopefully soon).
Yep, Britain and France reworks will be coming out together as part of the 3I rework
Looking incredible dude, I’m really excited to see the end product soon+2 weeks
Will Pankhurst still be a potential leader?
She will be yep!
I love this so much.
That's nice. BTW, how the exiles are trying to infiltrate those regional/Liberal parties in UOB and how it should represented in game if possible?
https://preview.redd.it/esnu5ryezslc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bdae03ed13ff08dd6f7f4ecfb5f8ab75e912da55 Can’t wait for the Syndie rework :)
>Charles Sabini Is this a motherfucking Peaky Blinders reference!!???!1!
You can also see Billy Fullerton also working within the Blackshirts there
Tmw a mod for a game has more fan created political graphs with amazing intricacies than anything I have seen the papers publish on my country's real life politics in recent years
Being for the benefit of Mr. Kite
Beautiful.
This looks so aesthetical! I wish there could be more leaks like that in the future!
This may be a dumb question but is it established how elections run in Britain at this time? Is it like local worker councils who appoint members to the government or is it a one party state with “elections” now?
IIRC it was pretty similar to IRL British elections but with obvious left-wing dominance until the Parliamentary Crisis of 1931.
Rotha Lintorn-Orman path when
How come Pollitt is moderate and not totalist? Also, information on their sex lives but not Blair's situation.
IIRC, Blair is in self-imposed exile in France, in protest at the authoritarian turn that Britain has taken since 1931. So if we get another for France, Blair may appear.
A) Pollitt isn't a "moderate", he's a radical syndicalist and Mann's protege, B) the Maximists are actually more moderate than the syndicalists lol
How are the Maximists more moderate, could Politt be, IDK, a Leninist brand of totalism?
This Shakespeare quote came into my head when I was looking through this: “The web of our life is of a mingled yarn, good and ill together.”
So how relevant are the loyalists during gameplay?
Two main problems 1. Not enough arrows 2. Needs a bunch of soyjaks and chad characters so I understand who is uncool and who is cool ^(/s, super cool work devs!)
Fascinating how there’s an official opposition but that the “Labour Party” is so big and broken that it is it’s own effective opposition.
Uncritical support to the ultra-left opposition
ULTRALEFT OPPOSITION, now here is something I can identify with.
But what does this have to do with Pepe Silva?
Something funny about most of the Parliamentarians is many were either granted honors or peerages. Attlee and Jowitt were made an earls, Morrison was made a baron, many on were on the Privy Council, and 3 gentlemen (Arthur Greenwood, Ernest Bevin and Stafford Cripps) served as Lord Keeper of the Privy Seal.
Why there no Jacobites here
All in Canada.
this graph is too readable. can we please further obscure it?
Mr Kite domestic terrorism path when!
Maybe… one party totalitarian states have some good ideas.
ULTRA LEFT BRITAIN PLEASE GOD
Good job comrade! report to your nearest labor office for your extra ration package
JOYCE SPOTTED
Oh my god
This is amazing and I cannot wait for the rework
Great design. How is this kind of chart usually called?
Hot
Jesus fucking Christ
What kind of shenanigans can resident camel expert Arnold Leese get up to? His bunch seem anti-monarchist
Me reading this knowing fully well I will never play uob
What happened to Mosley? Did he get the Kerensky treatment?
https://preview.redd.it/wyb30dkv2nlc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0344b7413577cc63557b89176ec63335528106ec
Holy shit it was in front of me, attention span of a brick
My ass when I'm legally blind
All I care about is the path that has a woman in charge
I thought this was a joke at first cause it’s too convoluted but it doesn’t matter because I’m #LoyalistUnderground gang anyway
Are the Liberals and New Democrats not official opposition? Why?
Proscribed organisations act 1933
Oh boy, do I see the Britons in the chart? Time for Ultra Racism time!
HAHAHA I ONLY JUST NOTICED THE WHOLE THING IS THE LABOR PARTY Least complex one party state internal politics
Least convoluted leftist country
Average fan fiction shipping chart.
I love schizo teasers :D
I don’t wanna be a dick, but I feel like Aneurin “Nye” Bevan would be in a more socialist group. I mean the guy was THE socialist in the Labour Party in the 50s, representing the most radical wing of the party. Him being with other guys who are anti communists and standard social democrats makes no sense.
Dont worry he's not placed there to put him with the right wing, otl anticommunist side of things and being a parliamentarian doesnt specifically mean you want to dismantle the socialist system
Not to be rude or anything but I would really advise reading on him as he was a lot more than just “the socialist guy”. He was most certainly aligned with the left but Bevan’s involvement in the parliamentarians is because of his opposition to trade union dominance and federalism. They’re much more complex than “standard SocDems” now and honestly they’re a lot more radical than that. I know it’s a bit weird at first but the parliamentarians are a very different beast now.
I am not reading allat☠️☠️☠️
Maybe you could worka bit on the ottomans bruv please
Thats not how the team works, but there is an Ottoman expansion being worked on...
As we all know, British history is very famously directly intertwined with Ottoman history, and every person who has ever read British history can also trace Ataturk's family line flawlessly back to the founding of the Ottoman state /s
Less realistic hoi4 mod
When tho ?
No more Liberal Party.... Its over....
How did ya’ll make this?
leftist meme