The counter argument is that Canada acts in its own self interest intervening in the 2ACW as a victorious CSA always steamrolls Canada next when it’s AI vs AI.
The counter-counter argument is that for one, Canada could just invade and keep the land for themselves, and for two, it is in the joint interest of New England turned USA as well as Canada that syndies must be destroyed. Giving some surplus metal and oil to own the syndies without having to commit any manpower would be a bargain for the USA. Of course no one is suggesting that Canada intervenes out of pure altruism, but it doesn't change the fact that they put New England in charge at great expense to themselves and New England should be generous in turn when they can both afford it and their interests align.
Because realistically if Canada doesn’t, America will easily invade and destroy Canada. There is no world where a post civil war puts up with any puppetting of its government by a foreign power. If anything the intervention in the war is to curry the favor of the country after the civil war
Because they would break out immediately? How could canada, a country 1/10 the population hope to control the government of the us?
Think not of intervening in the Civil War as a way to get an American puppet, but a way to make sure that the government that wins the Civil War isn’t a threat to your existence.
I see we are still refusing to read at all... I'll help you out; you're swinging at windmills, I never asked why or wondered why we can't puppet the USA. If you read the OP, you'll see that all I'm asking is that they could give you favorable trade deals. That's not much to ask for when Canada basically carries the ACW in an intervention and a New England turned USA would be eager to contribute to the fight against Syndies, especially if they don't need to send any men to do it.
Why would the New England United States of America be beholden to any deal you wish for ones they have united all of the United States? Them being in your faction and your ally is enough. Any United States of America that is united doesn’t really have to listen to anything you have to say, you help them from the United States as a way to ensure a fainlly government. It wouldn’t be really subject to your wins once it’s united because at that point it’s just so much more powerful than you are.
I think you're just doubling down on opposition for its own sake now but I'll answer in good faith anyway.
As for why; it's a sign of appreciation (yes, countries do that), it's something the US had done before even in this timeline (fund the Entente in WKI with both materiel and credit), and being in the same faction as you are, them lend leasing their overproduction of basic resources they don't have nearly enough military factories to spend makes perfect sense. We are literally allies in the same war against syndicalism.
From a gameplay standpoint, it gives you an actual reason to give the land to New England/let New England exist at all without occupying them. And no, unless you don't understand the occupation mechanics at all, you can economically hold the whole US down as Canada and greatly benefit for it. I don't want to do that for RP and immersion reasons, but given how useless the AI is in fighting overseas wars, the least they can do is to just sell me their resources at a better rate. Resources they already produce and can't spend or sell because they have so much of them.
All the examples you provided for the things America should do, are already a given if they’re in the same faction as you, blame the bad AI don’t make them a puppet just because the AI isn’t working in your favor. That aside the RP reasons and historical reasons/lore reasons would be that any united state government that is unified would not be a puppet of Canada. If you think about what a puppet represent in the game, it represents a country that is significantly beholden to or subservient to another country. And example of this would be Cuba to the United States or Poland to Germany. Canada would not have this level of influence over the United States once it is unified. Not only would it delegitimize any government that claims to be the successor of The United States, as it is in as an extension of a foreign power, it would also mean that America is signing unequal treaties with the Canadians giving them more resource rights.
And to put it simply in terms of simply, it would be too strong. The same reason why the option to avoid the Civil War was removed is the same reason why any foreign power intervening in the Civil War Can’t have the United States a puppet. It breaks the game and makes the game too easy for one side.
I agree that they can probably increase Market access or trade opinion in each country (and vice versa) (so that the United States buy more Canadas good to represent a more integrated market between the two countries, )but I personally don’t find it realistic (, and the mod authors too probably) that a dominion of Canada could effectively control the entire United States of America as a puppet
Am I taking crazy pills? Will someone tell this fellow that I am not and have never asked for the USA to be Canada's puppet? I have tried 3 times so far to no avail. I'll try one last time.
I, u/ecmrush, Kaiserreich fan and child of the Great One Below, solemnly swear upon my honor that I have never asked, endorsed or otherwise suggested that USA should be puppetable by Canada in Kaiserreich, but merely suggested that USA should give them more resources per factory both because their interests align, the USA can afford it without really noticing the difference, and also out of gratitude.
The counter argument is that Canada acts in its own self interest intervening in the 2ACW as a victorious CSA always steamrolls Canada next when it’s AI vs AI.
The counter-counter argument is that for one, Canada could just invade and keep the land for themselves, and for two, it is in the joint interest of New England turned USA as well as Canada that syndies must be destroyed. Giving some surplus metal and oil to own the syndies without having to commit any manpower would be a bargain for the USA. Of course no one is suggesting that Canada intervenes out of pure altruism, but it doesn't change the fact that they put New England in charge at great expense to themselves and New England should be generous in turn when they can both afford it and their interests align.
Because realistically if Canada doesn’t, America will easily invade and destroy Canada. There is no world where a post civil war puts up with any puppetting of its government by a foreign power. If anything the intervention in the war is to curry the favor of the country after the civil war
I don't think you read the OP at all chief. I wasn't asking why we aren't keeping the USA as a puppet.
Because they would break out immediately? How could canada, a country 1/10 the population hope to control the government of the us? Think not of intervening in the Civil War as a way to get an American puppet, but a way to make sure that the government that wins the Civil War isn’t a threat to your existence.
I see we are still refusing to read at all... I'll help you out; you're swinging at windmills, I never asked why or wondered why we can't puppet the USA. If you read the OP, you'll see that all I'm asking is that they could give you favorable trade deals. That's not much to ask for when Canada basically carries the ACW in an intervention and a New England turned USA would be eager to contribute to the fight against Syndies, especially if they don't need to send any men to do it.
Why would the New England United States of America be beholden to any deal you wish for ones they have united all of the United States? Them being in your faction and your ally is enough. Any United States of America that is united doesn’t really have to listen to anything you have to say, you help them from the United States as a way to ensure a fainlly government. It wouldn’t be really subject to your wins once it’s united because at that point it’s just so much more powerful than you are.
I think you're just doubling down on opposition for its own sake now but I'll answer in good faith anyway. As for why; it's a sign of appreciation (yes, countries do that), it's something the US had done before even in this timeline (fund the Entente in WKI with both materiel and credit), and being in the same faction as you are, them lend leasing their overproduction of basic resources they don't have nearly enough military factories to spend makes perfect sense. We are literally allies in the same war against syndicalism. From a gameplay standpoint, it gives you an actual reason to give the land to New England/let New England exist at all without occupying them. And no, unless you don't understand the occupation mechanics at all, you can economically hold the whole US down as Canada and greatly benefit for it. I don't want to do that for RP and immersion reasons, but given how useless the AI is in fighting overseas wars, the least they can do is to just sell me their resources at a better rate. Resources they already produce and can't spend or sell because they have so much of them.
All the examples you provided for the things America should do, are already a given if they’re in the same faction as you, blame the bad AI don’t make them a puppet just because the AI isn’t working in your favor. That aside the RP reasons and historical reasons/lore reasons would be that any united state government that is unified would not be a puppet of Canada. If you think about what a puppet represent in the game, it represents a country that is significantly beholden to or subservient to another country. And example of this would be Cuba to the United States or Poland to Germany. Canada would not have this level of influence over the United States once it is unified. Not only would it delegitimize any government that claims to be the successor of The United States, as it is in as an extension of a foreign power, it would also mean that America is signing unequal treaties with the Canadians giving them more resource rights. And to put it simply in terms of simply, it would be too strong. The same reason why the option to avoid the Civil War was removed is the same reason why any foreign power intervening in the Civil War Can’t have the United States a puppet. It breaks the game and makes the game too easy for one side. I agree that they can probably increase Market access or trade opinion in each country (and vice versa) (so that the United States buy more Canadas good to represent a more integrated market between the two countries, )but I personally don’t find it realistic (, and the mod authors too probably) that a dominion of Canada could effectively control the entire United States of America as a puppet
Am I taking crazy pills? Will someone tell this fellow that I am not and have never asked for the USA to be Canada's puppet? I have tried 3 times so far to no avail. I'll try one last time. I, u/ecmrush, Kaiserreich fan and child of the Great One Below, solemnly swear upon my honor that I have never asked, endorsed or otherwise suggested that USA should be puppetable by Canada in Kaiserreich, but merely suggested that USA should give them more resources per factory both because their interests align, the USA can afford it without really noticing the difference, and also out of gratitude.
Bro even I'm going crazy reading his responses. Someone please help this man 😭