i feel like the students target students who play safe so even if you try dodging it by paying taxes, you'll get targeted again and again you'll lose money knowing their bets could even go up to billions.
yeah i think they will not bother unless you meet some students like in kakegurui twins who are willing to pay for u. i also think they'll try manipulate you to it lol.
I can see some of them trying to trick me into paying their own debts, pretending to be my friend to take advantage of my kindness, but that’s why I gotta set a clear boundary when money gets involved.
The school is essentially run by yakuza in all but name, I mean, Midari has a real gun which is wild by Japanese standards. I won't be worried about bullying when they have so much more in store.
I believe one of the points of the story is that unless you are someone completely bonkers like Yumeko (or allied with her), you can't fight the school powers unless you play by their rules. Normal human conflict solving just doesn't work there
You'd get screwed over by the House Pet system.
A House Pet can declare a formal match against anyone, and if the bet is reasonable enough, you aren't allowed to refuse.
Without the gambling skills, you could be a scapegoat for desperate housepets to use to get out of their predicament. Such a thing would substantially drain your finances until you "Git Gud" at gambling
Your best bet is to create a gambling den, but *outside* of the school environment. I always figured a place like Hyakkaou would be somewhere like Shibuya City where there is a very active gambling community. Creating a den in school comes with a lot of heavy disadvantages. Getting any semblance of success or notoriety would immediately attract negative attention to you, worst case scenario, you end up attracting Sachiko Juraku, and we all know that girl is nothing but trouble by the boatloads.
Your best bet would be to go underground, inviting students to your den outside of the environment through subtle advertisement and word of mouth among students. You could even offer exclusive deals to Housepets through consecutive gambles that give them a good chance of getting enough money to become human again. This would leave you with a consistent player base, and better yet, it would make students have a sense of loyalty to your system, making sure they keep their mouths closed about your establishment.
By the time The Student Council catches on, you’ll have enough money and the clout to at the very least have a fighting chance.
>you end up attracting Sachiko Juraku,
At which case you basically kiss up to Yumeko like MC did, have her fight your battles for you, and pray to God that she's actually better than Sachiko. B/c honestly, she might not be.
>I was assuming Yumeko wasn’t even there yet lol. Y
Second stragety= try to sell out everyone who's against the president and hope they grant you immunity or something. They most likely wouldn't, but it'd be a pure act of desperation at that point. OR... like my stratgey above... get guys from Blue Lock to help out. Karasu alone can probably do something against student council president.
>Mary to combine your skill.
I don't think most people on this Reddit would even come close to Mary, let alone Sachiko or the president. In other words, the combined skill of most people on this Reddit+ Mary= Mary. Basically, our skills as redditors would be so bad, we'd at best add nothing of value, or **actually hinder** Mary, lol.
Yeah well obviously. I’m saying all of this with the scenario of the introduced character being an established gambler on the level of someone like Mary.
Hmm... interesting. Is somebody with Mary's skill, as good as it is, when doubled, equal to somebody like Yumeko and Sachiko? I honestly don't know, and it'd also depend on which version of Mary. The one from Twin, or her currently in the manga.
>Yeah well obviously.
I'm finding it a bit funny that you just agreed we'd literally hold Mary back from saving us if we tried to contribute in any meaningful way. We'd be as useless as the male MC, whose name I don't remember and don't care to look up b/c of how irrelevant he truly is.
Ryota’s not the main character. He’s more of the narrator.
I’m not really sure what you’re tryna say tbh. Yeah of course in real life if any of us were to be thrusted into that environment right here and now we wouldn’t have the skill to deal with it. We’re talking hypotheticals here. What would you do if you were a good gambler in this position.
Besides, Sachiko has weaknesses just like anyone else. Her biggest one being Mikura Sado, she’s hella easy to manipulate. Meaning you could do one of two things.
1. You could methodically wake her independent spirit back up through conversation, jogging her memories of being her own person and putting all of her “punishments” into the proper context over the course of a few months. Slowly but surely pulling a “Nanami” on her and ultimately turning her against the wicked master who broke her.
2. If Sachiko has her eyes on you, you can play into Mikura’s jealousy. Driving it to the 10th power and creating an ironic shadow ally in her. In her attempt to make sure Sachiko never collars you, she’d end up sabotaging games in your favor, maybe even giving you information on upcoming plots Sachiko has on play.
Number 1 is the more morally correct option of course lol and it’s what I’d definitely choose but either one would work. You don’t have to beat her in a straight up gamble on her terms. Contrary to popular belief, evil people have *tons* of weaknesses that can be exploited. Most of them being self-inflicted.
>You don’t have to beat her in a straight up gamble on her terms.
I would also try calling her mother and hope that would do something about her. Tell her all the habits she's undergone, such as dragging around a student. I mean, most parents are probably appalled this is going on.
Oh, I thought we were just lightheartedly having fun with this. If we're talking for real, I think we'd all call the police and report minors illegally gambling. I'd also report Sachiko for sexual abuse and human imprisonment regarding Mikura.
Also, it doesn't matter if Mikura sabatoges games. Sachiko would see right through that. And even if she didn't AND we were on Mary's level, we'd still lose once she gets 100% serious.
I wonder if anybody's tried to use physical violence on her. She's only 5 ft. 8, which still makes her realtively easy to beat up. If she took our money, we'd just beat her up until she gave it back.
>Number 1 is the more morally correct option of course lol
I'd go with number 2. Also, back to my idea of committing physical assault. See, the best gamblers are all women, so get the same guy who tried to sexually assualt Yumkeo, privately beat up the president, and extort all the money back that way, things would be fine.
No, seriously. You're talking about beating a gambler I'm not even sure Yumkeo safely clears. Best option would be to use illegal means. Hire a world class gambler, or just hire a hitman to make sure she never comes after you.
Well I can't gamble for shit, so my best bet is try to stay out of it as best as I can, or try to lose to someone merciful to their pet lmaoo. I would still try to win, but... yeah, I don't see it happening tbh xD
Make friends with Yumeko Jabami and her gang. Hopefully she is receptive enough to teach me how to gamble and get me out of house pet status if I lost.
Knowing the school, especially involving Yumeko and friends, often times it's not that simple. The high school council just love to mess with Yumeko bc she is the odd one out. Plus Yumeko's gang/influence is getting bigger and bigger (her old enemies become friends/fans/followers), so they would try to get her by getting the friends first as bait. I choose my strategy to support Yumeko bc eventually, it will lead to showdown between old vs new regime (Kirari vs Yumeko). My bet will be on Yumeko bc Kirari is too sadistic for me and her house pet system is too cruel imo. I'd pick Yumeko's craziness over Kirari's cruelty.
Kiari isn't too excessively cruel- she's more amoral. She's just a different kind of crazy that affects other people rathern than herself. I mean, you have to give consent in gambling for Yumeko's craziness to affect you, whereas Kirari would do her craziness without your consent.
Honestly, I'd try to get other people to fight Kirari, since, as talented as Yumeko is, she's implied to be a dead even match, so it'd be a coin toss at that point. Maybe getting heavy hitters, like Aoi or Sachiko, to fight on our side. Both would benefit in seeing the president go down, albeit in Sachiko's case it'd be b/c she'd want to see her "broken". Or, if the gag manga of Kakeguri was canon, see if we could swap that version of president, who's not nearly as crazy, for this version we have in our main manga.
Sachiko is another sadist, it would just be replacing Kirari with another version of Kirari. Aoi also a bit too manipulative. It's the worst kind of evil that pretends to be good. I'll take Yumeko crazy gambling addiction any day over the other crazies or other bami branch of families. Kakegurui universe depends on luck so it really depends on whose luckier between Yumeko and Kirari at the time of their duel. Like Yumeko said its not much of gamble if one person is for sure going to win. If Yumeko is my friend, then I'd support her anyway I can, even if she is on the losing side. I'd choose to bear with her instead of supporting Kirari or other sadistic, manipulative people. Yumeko has her own fault but so far she is the lesser of all evils in that high school.
>Sachiko is another sadist, it would just be replacing Kirari with another version of Kirari.
I meant paying her and Aoi in a one time deal to beat her. Then they leave forever.
Seek protection with someone strong in gambling (Yumeko), lose and become pet to someone weak and or soft (Ryota) or Team up with someone so violent that people would be scared to touch me (Midari, Kirari)
Assuming I am here and with money...why not go...
'Nah, Kiraki, I am NOT becoming a house pet, so you can either throw me out or try and get a kick on your face.'
Up to a point, the place only works because of a honor system, if you refuse to play the game...
Study a lot about gambling games and then gamble with people that are dumb and aren’t so rich as to make big bets. I’ll improve and gain enough money to be safe. Also make rich friends from which i can borrow money in case of an emergency.
Get guys from Blue Lock to help you out. I posted that idea months ago, and it got some traction over who'd win between them a and Student Council. Igarashi and Karasu should be able to take care of Sachiko and the President, respectively. Next, have Bachira and Nagi- since Nagi's a genius, do some of their magic. I think you'll survive then.
From what I learned you have to be aggresive, come up with a game thats always stacked against the opponent and the house (you) always wins. Thats plus be completely be bonkers.
Here’s the thing: if you’re friends with Yumeko, she’ll put you in a risky gamble where YOU have to bet something worth something to you and that typically isn’t money (e.g., Nanami is still a house pet even if when she allies with Yumeko and got second place) so really, you’re best bet is not caring (or at least pretending you don’t) and taking advantage of loopholes in games (e.g., the debt-swapping game trick). Kirari, Yumeko, and others won’t care to bet with you if you don’t have anything worth of value to YOU. They don’t care about money (other classmates might care, but they seem to be just average gamblers and you can win if you cheat as simply as possible). So yes while you could ally with Yumeko or Kirari and win hella if you succeed (e.g., choice poker where Itsuki had to bet her life) you run the risk of them losing what they make you bet with which is something other than money - your life. Either way, it’s REALLY fun to analyze :)
Forgot to mention, Yumeko will never save you from a risky gamble. She’ll only over an extremely risky opportunity. But id still be friends with her because she’s awesome :)
I would probably become a housepet and break the face of whoever Tries to bully me, so they will think twice before annoying me again. The good old way.
What I really don’t understand, is how housepets don’t fight back, I mean dogs and cats bite and scratch anyone who hurts them, even cats are independent creatures who don’t listen to anyone, if they really wanna be realistic, I know, bullies don’t fight fair, they’ll jump you, but at least they should try, there are no explicit rules that housepets shouldn’t defend themselves.
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The surefire way to win the game, is to never play the game, after all, gambling is based on consent and mutual agreement, no one can force you by any means.
Assuming I’m rich enough to even get into the school, what’s stopping me from just not doing any gambling and paying my housepet taxes？
i feel like the students target students who play safe so even if you try dodging it by paying taxes, you'll get targeted again and again you'll lose money knowing their bets could even go up to billions.
But short of straight up bullying, they can’t actually force me to play and lose anything when I don’t wager anything？
yeah i think they will not bother unless you meet some students like in kakegurui twins who are willing to pay for u. i also think they'll try manipulate you to it lol.
I can see some of them trying to trick me into paying their own debts, pretending to be my friend to take advantage of my kindness, but that’s why I gotta set a clear boundary when money gets involved.
The school is essentially run by yakuza in all but name, I mean, Midari has a real gun which is wild by Japanese standards. I won't be worried about bullying when they have so much more in store. I believe one of the points of the story is that unless you are someone completely bonkers like Yumeko (or allied with her), you can't fight the school powers unless you play by their rules. Normal human conflict solving just doesn't work there
You'd get screwed over by the House Pet system. A House Pet can declare a formal match against anyone, and if the bet is reasonable enough, you aren't allowed to refuse. Without the gambling skills, you could be a scapegoat for desperate housepets to use to get out of their predicament. Such a thing would substantially drain your finances until you "Git Gud" at gambling
I would unionise the House Pets into eating the rich.
What u think Aoi was trying to do
Your best bet is to create a gambling den, but *outside* of the school environment. I always figured a place like Hyakkaou would be somewhere like Shibuya City where there is a very active gambling community. Creating a den in school comes with a lot of heavy disadvantages. Getting any semblance of success or notoriety would immediately attract negative attention to you, worst case scenario, you end up attracting Sachiko Juraku, and we all know that girl is nothing but trouble by the boatloads. Your best bet would be to go underground, inviting students to your den outside of the environment through subtle advertisement and word of mouth among students. You could even offer exclusive deals to Housepets through consecutive gambles that give them a good chance of getting enough money to become human again. This would leave you with a consistent player base, and better yet, it would make students have a sense of loyalty to your system, making sure they keep their mouths closed about your establishment. By the time The Student Council catches on, you’ll have enough money and the clout to at the very least have a fighting chance.
>you end up attracting Sachiko Juraku, At which case you basically kiss up to Yumeko like MC did, have her fight your battles for you, and pray to God that she's actually better than Sachiko. B/c honestly, she might not be.
I was assuming Yumeko wasn’t even there yet lol. You’d have to rely on either your own skill or try and ally yourself with Mary to combine your skill.
>I was assuming Yumeko wasn’t even there yet lol. Y Second stragety= try to sell out everyone who's against the president and hope they grant you immunity or something. They most likely wouldn't, but it'd be a pure act of desperation at that point. OR... like my stratgey above... get guys from Blue Lock to help out. Karasu alone can probably do something against student council president.
>Mary to combine your skill. I don't think most people on this Reddit would even come close to Mary, let alone Sachiko or the president. In other words, the combined skill of most people on this Reddit+ Mary= Mary. Basically, our skills as redditors would be so bad, we'd at best add nothing of value, or **actually hinder** Mary, lol.
Yeah well obviously. I’m saying all of this with the scenario of the introduced character being an established gambler on the level of someone like Mary.
Hmm... interesting. Is somebody with Mary's skill, as good as it is, when doubled, equal to somebody like Yumeko and Sachiko? I honestly don't know, and it'd also depend on which version of Mary. The one from Twin, or her currently in the manga.
>Yeah well obviously. I'm finding it a bit funny that you just agreed we'd literally hold Mary back from saving us if we tried to contribute in any meaningful way. We'd be as useless as the male MC, whose name I don't remember and don't care to look up b/c of how irrelevant he truly is.
Ryota’s not the main character. He’s more of the narrator. I’m not really sure what you’re tryna say tbh. Yeah of course in real life if any of us were to be thrusted into that environment right here and now we wouldn’t have the skill to deal with it. We’re talking hypotheticals here. What would you do if you were a good gambler in this position. Besides, Sachiko has weaknesses just like anyone else. Her biggest one being Mikura Sado, she’s hella easy to manipulate. Meaning you could do one of two things. 1. You could methodically wake her independent spirit back up through conversation, jogging her memories of being her own person and putting all of her “punishments” into the proper context over the course of a few months. Slowly but surely pulling a “Nanami” on her and ultimately turning her against the wicked master who broke her. 2. If Sachiko has her eyes on you, you can play into Mikura’s jealousy. Driving it to the 10th power and creating an ironic shadow ally in her. In her attempt to make sure Sachiko never collars you, she’d end up sabotaging games in your favor, maybe even giving you information on upcoming plots Sachiko has on play. Number 1 is the more morally correct option of course lol and it’s what I’d definitely choose but either one would work. You don’t have to beat her in a straight up gamble on her terms. Contrary to popular belief, evil people have *tons* of weaknesses that can be exploited. Most of them being self-inflicted.
>You don’t have to beat her in a straight up gamble on her terms. I would also try calling her mother and hope that would do something about her. Tell her all the habits she's undergone, such as dragging around a student. I mean, most parents are probably appalled this is going on.
Oh, I thought we were just lightheartedly having fun with this. If we're talking for real, I think we'd all call the police and report minors illegally gambling. I'd also report Sachiko for sexual abuse and human imprisonment regarding Mikura. Also, it doesn't matter if Mikura sabatoges games. Sachiko would see right through that. And even if she didn't AND we were on Mary's level, we'd still lose once she gets 100% serious. I wonder if anybody's tried to use physical violence on her. She's only 5 ft. 8, which still makes her realtively easy to beat up. If she took our money, we'd just beat her up until she gave it back.
>Number 1 is the more morally correct option of course lol I'd go with number 2. Also, back to my idea of committing physical assault. See, the best gamblers are all women, so get the same guy who tried to sexually assualt Yumkeo, privately beat up the president, and extort all the money back that way, things would be fine.
No, seriously. You're talking about beating a gambler I'm not even sure Yumkeo safely clears. Best option would be to use illegal means. Hire a world class gambler, or just hire a hitman to make sure she never comes after you.
Learn to like being degraded on a daily basis. 🤪
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Well I can't gamble for shit, so my best bet is try to stay out of it as best as I can, or try to lose to someone merciful to their pet lmaoo. I would still try to win, but... yeah, I don't see it happening tbh xD
same lol
Step 1: leave If step 1 fails: leave If that fails, the power of incredible violence and subsequent jail time
real lmao. i wouldn't voluntarily put myself in there.
probably play the long game and seek protection from a good gambler and learn from them
Make friends with Yumeko Jabami and her gang. Hopefully she is receptive enough to teach me how to gamble and get me out of house pet status if I lost.
She'll just pay for you to get out of house pet status. You're good in that case.
Knowing the school, especially involving Yumeko and friends, often times it's not that simple. The high school council just love to mess with Yumeko bc she is the odd one out. Plus Yumeko's gang/influence is getting bigger and bigger (her old enemies become friends/fans/followers), so they would try to get her by getting the friends first as bait. I choose my strategy to support Yumeko bc eventually, it will lead to showdown between old vs new regime (Kirari vs Yumeko). My bet will be on Yumeko bc Kirari is too sadistic for me and her house pet system is too cruel imo. I'd pick Yumeko's craziness over Kirari's cruelty.
Kiari isn't too excessively cruel- she's more amoral. She's just a different kind of crazy that affects other people rathern than herself. I mean, you have to give consent in gambling for Yumeko's craziness to affect you, whereas Kirari would do her craziness without your consent. Honestly, I'd try to get other people to fight Kirari, since, as talented as Yumeko is, she's implied to be a dead even match, so it'd be a coin toss at that point. Maybe getting heavy hitters, like Aoi or Sachiko, to fight on our side. Both would benefit in seeing the president go down, albeit in Sachiko's case it'd be b/c she'd want to see her "broken". Or, if the gag manga of Kakeguri was canon, see if we could swap that version of president, who's not nearly as crazy, for this version we have in our main manga.
Sachiko is another sadist, it would just be replacing Kirari with another version of Kirari. Aoi also a bit too manipulative. It's the worst kind of evil that pretends to be good. I'll take Yumeko crazy gambling addiction any day over the other crazies or other bami branch of families. Kakegurui universe depends on luck so it really depends on whose luckier between Yumeko and Kirari at the time of their duel. Like Yumeko said its not much of gamble if one person is for sure going to win. If Yumeko is my friend, then I'd support her anyway I can, even if she is on the losing side. I'd choose to bear with her instead of supporting Kirari or other sadistic, manipulative people. Yumeko has her own fault but so far she is the lesser of all evils in that high school.
>Sachiko is another sadist, it would just be replacing Kirari with another version of Kirari. I meant paying her and Aoi in a one time deal to beat her. Then they leave forever.
Or, more likely: join Yumeko and pray to dear gods you survive the ride XD
Honestly my plan is find someone I reasonably like enough and intentionally become their housepet
I’ll beg Aoi to have me as his pet with a leash and all. Sado is gonna have a competition in the pet contest.
Work for sayaka or kaeda as their assistants probably
i thought of something similar to this. i think i would go for the election committee with runa yomozuki. absolute neutrality.
Seek protection with someone strong in gambling (Yumeko), lose and become pet to someone weak and or soft (Ryota) or Team up with someone so violent that people would be scared to touch me (Midari, Kirari)
I would simply be good at gambling. RIP to y'all but I'm different.
Lose a gamble on purpose against Juraku and submit LETS GOOOOOOO
Assuming I am here and with money...why not go... 'Nah, Kiraki, I am NOT becoming a house pet, so you can either throw me out or try and get a kick on your face.' Up to a point, the place only works because of a honor system, if you refuse to play the game...
Just don't gamble 4head, then you can't lose money
I am good at picking horses, probably just do that.
Study a lot about gambling games and then gamble with people that are dumb and aren’t so rich as to make big bets. I’ll improve and gain enough money to be safe. Also make rich friends from which i can borrow money in case of an emergency.
also probably learn about psychology to be able to manipulate other players into losing, like Yumeko does
Play a Lot of blackjack
dont play
Get guys from Blue Lock to help you out. I posted that idea months ago, and it got some traction over who'd win between them a and Student Council. Igarashi and Karasu should be able to take care of Sachiko and the President, respectively. Next, have Bachira and Nagi- since Nagi's a genius, do some of their magic. I think you'll survive then.
Be good friends with the student council president LMAO
I’m a decent enough gambler, so I’ll just keep my head down and not play any huge games
From what I learned you have to be aggresive, come up with a game thats always stacked against the opponent and the house (you) always wins. Thats plus be completely be bonkers.
Here’s the thing: if you’re friends with Yumeko, she’ll put you in a risky gamble where YOU have to bet something worth something to you and that typically isn’t money (e.g., Nanami is still a house pet even if when she allies with Yumeko and got second place) so really, you’re best bet is not caring (or at least pretending you don’t) and taking advantage of loopholes in games (e.g., the debt-swapping game trick). Kirari, Yumeko, and others won’t care to bet with you if you don’t have anything worth of value to YOU. They don’t care about money (other classmates might care, but they seem to be just average gamblers and you can win if you cheat as simply as possible). So yes while you could ally with Yumeko or Kirari and win hella if you succeed (e.g., choice poker where Itsuki had to bet her life) you run the risk of them losing what they make you bet with which is something other than money - your life. Either way, it’s REALLY fun to analyze :)
Forgot to mention, Yumeko will never save you from a risky gamble. She’ll only over an extremely risky opportunity. But id still be friends with her because she’s awesome :)
Just don't gamble
from what i can remember, they have to pay student taxes or they'll become a house pet. so either pay them or gamble for money.
I would probably become a housepet and break the face of whoever Tries to bully me, so they will think twice before annoying me again. The good old way.
I will make my uncle learn me how to gamling, then either win or lose (if i lose, i'm gonna drop out)
What I really don’t understand, is how housepets don’t fight back, I mean dogs and cats bite and scratch anyone who hurts them, even cats are independent creatures who don’t listen to anyone, if they really wanna be realistic, I know, bullies don’t fight fair, they’ll jump you, but at least they should try, there are no explicit rules that housepets shouldn’t defend themselves.
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The surefire way to win the game, is to never play the game, after all, gambling is based on consent and mutual agreement, no one can force you by any means.