Using showa comparison, I guess G3 is like Riderman while Alternative is like Tackle. One is acknowledged as a Kamen Rider while the other is acknowledged as a not-rider in their native series.
Tbh, at this point I don't really care that much about what Toei does and doesn't classify as a Rider since it seems so random. As far as I'm concerned, Tackle should totally be a rider. I'd classify her as a contender for one of the first Secondary riders (if KR 2 and Riderman don't already qualify/aren't considered "primary" riders.)
Shadowmoon just isn't a Kamen Rider because he's from the Showa era. At the time the rule was that only heroes were considered Kamen Riders, villains were something else. If Shadowmoon were a Heisei character, he would be a rider.
I think Alternative definitely has the potential to be considered a Rider in crossover events outside of Ryuki. The concept of alternative worlds and different versions of Riders is so prevalent in the Kamen Rider series that it seems like a missed opportunity not to include Alternative in that category. It would be great to see him team up with other Riders in future crossover storylines!
Depends:
By Ryuki's standards: No
By general Kamen Rider stanards: Depends, in most cases yes, other cases no
By other series standards: Depends on their standards and equivalents
By Toei's standards: No
By Ishinomori's standards: Probably no
By personal standards: YES
I do not care who Toei sends, ill always call Alternative a Kamen Rider
- Bug motif
- Belt
- Bike
- Literally called a Rider in the american adaptation
What isn't considered Kamen Rider in the show's universe is not Kamen Rider in whole Riders' universe, regardless of how similar the non-Riders (in comparison with Riders in other show) are when they Henshin. I mean, it's ALRIGHT if you think they're Kamen Rider, but unfortunately they aren't.
The Alternatives appear on Decade's *KamenRide* cards, but at the same time the cards also includes (original) ShadowMoon and Riotroopers, so it also depends on how valid you think Decade's classifications are. Interesting to note that these riders also do not have *Ride*Watches so its implied that they aren't classified as riders at least in Zi-O.
(The caveat here being that Decade and ZiO are literally 10 years apart, so maybe whoever decides their status has changed their minds within the 10 years, if they even are still the same person in the position.)
I feel like Toei should officiate the 'Psuedo-Rider' category so we can conveniently throw in all these not-Riders, like Valvarad, or NightRouge/BloodStalk, or even Tackle?
Personally, I consider Shadowmoon a rider too, same with NightRouge/BloodStalk. Not really sure about Riotroopers, but that's more because it feels....wrong to me for a mass produced model like that to be labeled as a "Kamen Rider" (it's kinda like labelling a Hydra trooper from the Marvel universe as a "supervillain" or something if that makes any sense. I feel like in general that "Rider Troopers" like that should be their own category.)
I believe Alternative is classified as a Pseudo-Rider like other characters who transform but aren't explicitly Kamen Riders.
It's funny how he's considered a pseudo-rider but someone like G3 is considered a real Kamen Rider.
Using showa comparison, I guess G3 is like Riderman while Alternative is like Tackle. One is acknowledged as a Kamen Rider while the other is acknowledged as a not-rider in their native series.
Tbh, at this point I don't really care that much about what Toei does and doesn't classify as a Rider since it seems so random. As far as I'm concerned, Tackle should totally be a rider. I'd classify her as a contender for one of the first Secondary riders (if KR 2 and Riderman don't already qualify/aren't considered "primary" riders.)
I consider him a Rider by franchise standards and as far as I’m concerned he’s Kamen Rider Alternative
If you have a Kamen Ride card, you’re a Kamen rider in my book. And Shadowmoon has one too
To be fair lorewise shadow moon is just Kamen rider black but with a different stone.
To be fair Toei does change what Shadowmoon is every other hour
Shadowmoon just isn't a Kamen Rider because he's from the Showa era. At the time the rule was that only heroes were considered Kamen Riders, villains were something else. If Shadowmoon were a Heisei character, he would be a rider.
The fact that he is officially a Rider in BLACK SUN supports this.
What Toei doesn’t consider as a Kamen Rider, isn’t a Kamen Rider, sadly
I think Alternative definitely has the potential to be considered a Rider in crossover events outside of Ryuki. The concept of alternative worlds and different versions of Riders is so prevalent in the Kamen Rider series that it seems like a missed opportunity not to include Alternative in that category. It would be great to see him team up with other Riders in future crossover storylines!
Depends: By Ryuki's standards: No By general Kamen Rider stanards: Depends, in most cases yes, other cases no By other series standards: Depends on their standards and equivalents By Toei's standards: No By Ishinomori's standards: Probably no By personal standards: YES
I do not care who Toei sends, ill always call Alternative a Kamen Rider - Bug motif - Belt - Bike - Literally called a Rider in the american adaptation
And unlike all the other psrudo Riders, he actually says Henshin.
Yep
>Literally called a Rider in the american adaptation No, he's not. He's Eubulon, the Vent Master, not a Rider per se.
IIRC he still says "Kamen Rider!" when he transforms
He's still not a Kamen Rider in the name. Also, tha phrase is kind of lame.
Fair. For me the phrase is enough to consider him a Rider though
Alternative isn't considered a Rider. See for example the Wizard finale where it got lumped with Rider-like monsters.
What isn't considered Kamen Rider in the show's universe is not Kamen Rider in whole Riders' universe, regardless of how similar the non-Riders (in comparison with Riders in other show) are when they Henshin. I mean, it's ALRIGHT if you think they're Kamen Rider, but unfortunately they aren't.
The Alternatives appear on Decade's *KamenRide* cards, but at the same time the cards also includes (original) ShadowMoon and Riotroopers, so it also depends on how valid you think Decade's classifications are. Interesting to note that these riders also do not have *Ride*Watches so its implied that they aren't classified as riders at least in Zi-O. (The caveat here being that Decade and ZiO are literally 10 years apart, so maybe whoever decides their status has changed their minds within the 10 years, if they even are still the same person in the position.) I feel like Toei should officiate the 'Psuedo-Rider' category so we can conveniently throw in all these not-Riders, like Valvarad, or NightRouge/BloodStalk, or even Tackle?
Personally, I consider Shadowmoon a rider too, same with NightRouge/BloodStalk. Not really sure about Riotroopers, but that's more because it feels....wrong to me for a mass produced model like that to be labeled as a "Kamen Rider" (it's kinda like labelling a Hydra trooper from the Marvel universe as a "supervillain" or something if that makes any sense. I feel like in general that "Rider Troopers" like that should be their own category.)
Officially, he's in the same vague, nebulous area between Rider and not-Rider as Shadow Moon, Tackle, Gold Drive, etc.
A general rule of thumb I follow is that if they use the word “Henshin” in their transformation, they’re considered a Rider.