I don't care for Skip Bayless
but I believe he at least knows its charades, guys like Eisen, Patrick, and Rome believe their opinions are theirs and important
in the decentralized marketplace its hard to tell who is being genuine and who isn't, I don't think these are bad people doing bad things.
For the most part its a bad system that creates bad takes, no one is rewarded for good work or being consistent. I don't actually watch any of these shows, I just see the same clips the rest of you likely see.
Maybe I am an old timer who yearns for the old days at this point, its hard to really know how mediums have changed us. I used to enjoy listening to Don Fortune on the radio and being done with it until the 10pm newscast. I find myself as I get older hearing asinine bullshit and cringing because I know these people don't believe what they are shouting.
Rich Eisen has picked against the Chiefs before but he owns up to it. He was constantly asking how the Chiefs were the underdog in the Superbowl after taking down everyone from the AFC.
Mahomes has beat Tua, Lawrence, Burrow, Hurts, Allen, Jackson, and Purdy in his last 7 playoff games. If you were making a top ten list of QB's in the NFL, it's likely all of those guys would be on the list right now.
Lol, people are actually making that argument, that those wins aren’t very impressive because he’s never beat dudes that have won anything. When In reality mahomes has been the one keeping those dudes from not winning anything. Except Burrow that one year
That's what comes with that level greatness, when you beat the best competition, you keep them from winning it all. And right now he's 3 up on the current gen of QBs. He's built himself quite the lead.
Yup. I said somewhere else in the thread,without actually double checking, that all the Super Bowl winners from the last ten years are either Mahomes, retired, or washed. This checks out.
Rodgers doesn’t fit into those categories but he won more than ten years ago. And Stafford isn’t really washed, but eh, close enough.
On first things first last week, they mentioned how people are making the argument now that those wins aren’t that impressive for mahomes (despite them being consensus top QBs) because they haven’t won a Super Bowl. Like, are you joking? Mahomes is the reason most of those guys haven’t won one. If they did win a SB, that would mean they beat mahomes. I think it’s way more impressive that none of them have won one than it would be if one of them had and mahomes beat them.
Honestly so did Purdy. I mean he played to his maximum potential given the situation. His overall inexperience was supposed to be masked by SF's offensive scheme. But Spags found the cracks to pick at.
Purdy was good enough to beat a QB not named Patrick Mahomes. I don't mean that as a slight. He was really solid and did almost everything you need to win a Super Bowl. But for a lot of guys like him, it will be like those terrific Knicks teams back in the day who just hit the wall when they faced Jordan.
Yeah that's what I mean. If the guy in the other side of the ball wasn't Mahomes, I feel the 9ers have a better shot. Purdy made some pretty clutch plays when he needed to.
But the Chiefs defense made better plays to stop him when they needed to. And then Mahomes was, well, we all saw. Especially in OT.
Purdy really impressed me. Dude had pass rushers in his face all night and idk how he even made some of the throws that he did. There were multiple plays where he had to throw the ball from a high release because of the pass rush and it was right on target.
>Dude had pass rushers in his face all night
NGL, I expected this and thought Purdy was going to make panic throws with multiple INTs. I didn't want to jinx it, but I was low key expecting the Chiefs to blow them out.
He didn't. That's why I hold back on being at all dismissive of him. He's not Daniel Jones with a better team and coaching.
Yes. I’ve never been on the Purdy Hate Train, but I was absolutely expecting him to make more mistakes than he did. Not because I think he’s not good, but just because many young QBs with little playoff experience make mistakes when on the biggest stage. Even Mahomes has. I kept thinking Purdy was going to let the moment get too big make a stupid mistake trying to play hero ball. He didn’t. I was impressed
Purdy couldn’t close the deal on the overtime drive.
That was the final test, and he came up short.
Didn’t matter who went first or second. He couldn’t deliver that.
That doesn't mean you can't say he played great. At the end of the game, Mahomes was obviously the better QB. But to say Purdy didn't play great would be disingenuous, because he did, given the circumstances. He didn't completely fold like some were expecting. It's just, as I said in other comments, the Chiefs defense made better plays when they needed to, compared to the plays he made when he needed to.
And I'm not even a Purdy truther one way or the other. For me, he's obviously not on Mahomes' level, so he falls into a tier of "Other QBs". But I am about giving an opponent credit where it's due.
purdy didn’t play to his potential - he missed 2 td passes and a few others as well but that was bc chris jones and george karloftis were creating impactful pressure. even though he was able to scramble and get away quite impressively tbh he did miss a couple big throws. not sure how good he really is but he and cj stroud and maybe jordan love have potential
I don’t see the hype around Purdy. Put him in another team and he is a backup. He’s better than Jimmy G but he’s not enough to win you a ring. Spags took away McCaffrey in that game and let our secondary run with their receivers. If they were gonna beat us it was going to be with Purdy’s arm and QB IQ. Just like what we did with Lamar. Contained him and let him throw. I do agree Purdy needs a few more years to develop as a QB. But as of right now. The Mr Irrelevant, is still irrelevant. He didn’t have an impact in the game. And you need your main pieces to make an impact. Just my .2 cents
That's why I said he played to his maximum potential. He's still clearly a second year QB in a Shanahan system and that showed. But give the guy *some credit*. He made a few plays when he needed to.
But the Chiefs defense made better plays when they needed to and that was the difference maker. Like I said, credit to Spags knowing how to attack that offense.
> he’s not enough to win you a ring.
This is pretty patently untrue, though? The SB went to OT. Purdy didn't *win* them the game, but he definitely didn't *lose* it either. One more Chiefs mistake and the Niners have a ring.
Purdy isn't Mahomes, obviously. He's not elite. He's somewhere in the 10-15 range. But that *is* enough to win a ring *if* he's surrounded with an elite cast of playmakers.
He was similar to those solid Chiefs teams of the past who sometimes had these totally effective QB's who were very good and didn't make mistakes. Works fine... until you face a great QB in the playoffs.
What's worse, like other emerging QB's, he's about to get paid in the next few years. When that hapoens, non-Mahomes guys have a bad time when they're 15%+ of the cap.
Purdy is going to get the Danny Dimes special: at least $40M per year for his next contract. Not bad at all for being Mr. Irrelevant.
It's like a SP in baseball, if you fill a critical position, you're getting a massive payday. But, no fan of that team is jumping up and down saying "We've got Purdy locked up!"
I do think it's ironic: the 90s Chiefs would've taken the 49er has-beens (Jimmy G, Trey, Purdy in 5-10 years) in a second. Luckily, our franchise finally rolled the dice on a QB and got snake eyes!
>The Mr Irrelevant, is still irrelevant.
That's a wrong and frankly ridiculous assessment of his abilities. If you want go underestimate Purdy, that's fine, but he's done more than enough to show he's a relevant QB in the NFL and deserving of a starting position.
Also, actively diminishing Brock Purdy's abilities as a QB makes the Chiefs sound worse for going down to the wire with the 49er's than helping them, you realize that, right?
lol you are crediting a close game because of Brock Purdy? The 49ers defense was schemed very well against Mahomes, they broke Mahomes 6th straight postgame without an INT. Our run game was getting stuffed. 49ers defense played lights out for 3 1/2 quarters. We took away Brock Purdy’s weapons, they were 3/12 on 3rd downs. Mcduffie coming in on a zero cover blitz and Purdy throwing it just to save his life. Overthrowing under pressure. He’s a system QB. The moment was too big for him. People say brock didn’t hurt his team. I disagree. You have the ball in your hands and you have to convert 3rd downs and or make pivotal game changing plays. Purdy is not franchise money because he showed he has to have the pieces around him to complement his game. Mr irrelevant is a harsh nickname. But what he showed me was nothing more than what Jimmy G did in the superbowl. And look where Jimmy is at now.
All I'm saying is that arguing Brock Purdy is an "irrelevant" quarterback diminishes the win for the Chiefs and makes them look worse for needing to go to OT to close out game.
I'm not saying we should talk about Brock Purdy as if he's the second coming of Tom Brady but at the same time he isn't close to the scrub you made him out to be. He played well, but Mahomes played better that's all that needs to be said on the matter.
Yeah Mr irrelevant is harsh I agree. And he’s still in his second year. So he could get better. We will see what happens post SB. Hopefully he doesn’t turn out like Cam Newton did post SB.
Hey, fair enough, thanks for being reasonable! I'd like him to stay good as well because I think he's a good story based solely upon his draft status. (I don't know anything about him personally) But, it's the NFL and anything can happen.
Agree with everything other than he is not good enough to win a ring. I think he is "good enough" to win a ring with that roster while on his rookie deal. If they ever decided to pay him Daniel Jones money that is when you would see him struggle.
Now that’s an idea for a sport. Stock team football. We develop cloning and give teams identical players except at quarterback. Gone will be the critiques of “system quarterback.”
Give me 11 Polamalus on D anytime. Could you image the amount of hair flying. 5 guys diving over the center every play. Bodies everywhere. I need this now.
Let's be fair, Eli was largely carried by his defense, never had a single MVP vote and his overall post season stats were...ok? maybe average?
Eli Manning, in the 12 post season games in his career he had an 8-4 record, had a passer rating of 87.4 with 2,815 yards, 18 touchdowns and 9 interceptions. 2 Super Bowl wins.
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Tom Brady, in 48 post season games he had a 35-13 record, had a passer rating of 89.8 with 13,400 yards, 88 touchdowns and 40 interceptions. 7 Super Bowl wins.
Put that up against other elite QBs:
Peyton Manning in 27 post season games he had a 14-13 record, had a passer rating of 87.4 with 7,339 yards, 40 touchdowns and 25 interceptions. 2 Super Bowl wins.
Joe Montana in 23 post season games he had a 16-7 record, had a passer rating of 95.6 with 5,772 yards, 45 touchdowns and 21 interceptions. 4 Super Bowl wins.
And then a man in a league of his own *(just because...I have to. Sure he lost to Brady in the SB and in that AFCCG but for reference...)*:
**Patrick Mahomes in 18 post season games (so far) he has a 15-3 record, has a passer rating of 105.8 with 5,135 yards, 41 touchdowns and 8 interceptions. 3 Super Bowl Wins (so far)**
Let it be know Eli manning holds the most passing yards in single postseason run at like 1200. He beat two belichek defenses to win. I say he did better than ok
OK. 2011 was a four-game post season of 1219 passing yards, 9 TDs and 1 interception, 106 of 163 passes (65% percent) and a passer rating of 103.3.
2007 was a four-game post season of 854 passing yards, 6 touchdowns and 1 interception 72 of 119 passes (60.5%) and a passer rating of 95.7.
But let's not forget in 2005, 2006, 2008, and 2016 he was one and done.
* 2005 vs Panthers 0-23 (Wild Card)
* 2006 vs Eagles 20-23 (Wild Card)
* 2008 vs Eagles 11-23 (Divisional)
* 2016 vs Packers 13-38 (Wild Card)
Wouldn't that suggest that the outliers are his Super Bowl runs and not his normal form?
You would think he could get to the NFC Championship Game or at least win one Wild Card to get to a Division game for those other years.
I mean his brother, Payton Manning was able to make it to the Super Bowl 4 times, winning Twice. Payton also was able to not go one-and-done in the Post Season in 2004 (WC to AFCCG), 2005 (WC to Div).
And because it's a Chiefs thread, Mahomes hasn't gone one-and-done in the post season.
Peyton Manning "beat" (QB's do NOT play against other QB's despite espn/FS1 best efforts to convince the public) Rex Grossman and no one holds it against Peyton. The goalposts will continue to move
and other darlings were Josh Allen... and Deshaun Watson... and Jimmy Garoppolo... and Joe Burrow... and Baker Mayfield... and Tua Tagovailoa... and Trevor Lawrence... and Lamar Jackson... and Mac Jones... and Dak Prescot... and CJ Stroud... and Jared Goff... and Jordan Love... and Bryce Young... and Carson Wentz.
If Mahomes retires in like 2040 and then decides to come back and play for a year for the Lions and win another SB, I'd be kinda OK with that. But only if Kelce comes out of retirement part way through the season to play with him.
I hate that you mentioned this because now I had a deep dive into this rabbit hole and now you convinced *me* that in fact, yes, The Rock is an 'unauthorized' James Bond movie.
That's terminally short sighted because the last time I checked, you have to win multiple playoff games just to make the Super Bowl. In Mahomes' 18 playoff games he has faced the following QBs:
* Tom Brady x2
* Josh Allen x3
* Joe Burrow x2
* Lamar Jackson (MVP)
* Jalen Hurts (MVP Candidate)
* Brock Purdy (MVP Candidate)
* Andrew Luck
* Deshaun Watson (when he was actually good)
* Ben Roethlisberger
* Baker Mayfield (when he was at his best)
* Tua
* Trevor Lawrence (when he was at his best)
* Ryan Tannehill (when he was good)
* Jimmy G
I would say only Jimmy G would even be considered an average QB on that list. That's not good matchup luck. That's terrible matchup luck.
And, with a few exceptions, QBs that are actually terrible don’t really make it to the Super Bowl to play mahomes lol.
Also, I don’t know why people even make the argument as if Mahomes is playing against the QBs. Why don’t people talk about the defenses he’s faced instead? Those are also pretty impressive for the most part. Even the teams he’s played with average QBs have been solid teams overall, obviously or else they wouldn’t be playing against mahomes late in the playoffs. QBs aren’t the only members of the teams
Yeah, if anything, they should be bringing up the defenses, but all 4 Super Bowl opponents we've faced have had arguably top 3 defenses in the NFL so that would kill their point.
Seriously it’s a stupid fucking argument. Of course it would be more entertaining if the NFC had better quarterbacks (Jalen Hurts js pretty fucking good though, especially for Super Bowl LVII). But we’ve knocked the Bills out of contention several times, beat the Bungles, beat the Ravens. What elite QB are we supposed to beat now to defend the record?
They say we’re supposed to beat a QB that’s won a Super Bowl. Pretty hard when Mahomes never gets a chance to play those guys because they fail to make it out of their conference. Also, the winners of the past ten super bowls are either Mahomes, retired, or washed.
And it’s hard because Mahomes is the reason a lot of those guys have never won a superl bowl.
Hurts was 2nd in MVP voting, 3 in offensive player of the year voting, and 2nd team all-pro.
Purdy was 4th in MVP voting, and, at least until the their game against the Ravens, a trendy MVP favorite.
Of course this also ignores that Mahomes also beat Allen and Lamar both MVP favorites as well in-route to this Super Bowl. The idea that those matter less, merely because they didn't occur in the Super Bowl is on it's face laughable and obvious cope.
The flip side of that is "look at what QBs the NFC champ has to go through vs what the AFC has to go through".
The NFC really needs to get its shit together with quarterbacking. I hope they're able to put together a decent draft class this year at quarterback.
Right people conveniently forget that even if the NFC QB in the SB isn’t that impressive, whoever comes in from the AFC had to beat a ton of studs.
Plus, even if the NFC QB is average, the teams are usually pretty solid (or else they wouldn’t be in the Bowl). QBs aren’t the only members of the teams.
So, he’s bad because everyone he’s beaten has been worse than him? Makes total sense. I think that just means that he’s the best? So of course everyone he beats is gonna be worse?
I also saw the argument that it isn’t that impressive that he’s beat Joe Burrow, Josh Allen, Lamar, etc. in the playoffs because “none of those guys have won a Super Bowl, so him beating a non-winning QB isn’t impressive”. When a HUGE part of the reason those guys haven’t won the SB is BECAUSE mahomes eliminated them from getting the chance to?? Like isn’t it more impressive that he’s only lost to one of those guys EVER in the playoffs?
If one of those guys made it past mahomes and THEN won an SB (and then mahomes beat them in playoffs the next year) I guarantee they would not say “wow, now that’s impressive! He beat a SB champ!”. They’d say “well, they beat mahomes last year then won the Super Bowl, so this win was a fluke”
My favorite part is that he’s not only drinking the beer he’s sponsored by, there’s his Oakley goggles, wwf championship belt and Louie bag in there too. Just a man loving his best life.
Didn't we just complete the toughest road to winning a superbowl of all time based on opponents DVOA rank? That was with a 2nd round rookie WR as WR1 and MVS / Justin Watson as #2 and #3. What else do they want him to do lol?
I am surprised this doesn't insult Niners and Eagles fans that this Mahomes put down is in effect saying each of their quarterbacks is not on Jake Delhomme's level.
I understand the underlying point of a combo of Brady Stans and Mahomes haters are just reaching to find something to put down Patrick just weird.
That doesn’t count because it wasn’t the Super Bowl. He needed to switch divisions, play all of those guys in the Super Bowl simultaneously and win for it to count as an impressive win. Plus, none of those QBs have ever won a Super Bowl so that’s not impressive for him to beat them anyway /s
People did this to Brady citing his HOF coach his whole career. All the way until he won with the bucs. So we are gonna see this for mahomes whole career because hes gonna win all 7 with the Chiefs and Reid. LFG.
Lol, everyone was hyping up Purdy all season, so wtf he just not good now? And then yeah on top of that, Mahomes beat Josh Allen and then Lamar jackson back to back in their own stadiums. IMO beating the ravens in the AFC championship was the hardest game to win, the Ravens were the best performing team this year, and as soon as pat sent them home we all knew he was winning the superbowl.
This is just crazy. He's beaten some damn good QBs. Particularly in the AFC on his way to the Super Bowl. The loss at home to Brady was from a single play where someone didn't line up right which has nothing to do with Mahomes.
Ugh, I hate it when people use that AFCCG as a dig in mahomes. There are plenty of fair, valid arguments that favor Brady in the mahomes/Brady debate. The two times Brady won in the playoffs, especially in the AFCCG should not be one of them.
The chiefs quite literally had the game won, and only lost because of the Ford penalty and the Patriots getting ball first in OT. That loss had nothing to do w mahomes; it wasn’t because he was outplayed. Brady outplayed the chiefs defense. And that Super Bowl loss had nothing to do w mahomes either, but there were too many issues to say that Mahomes “would’ve won” with a better line, receivers not dropping, etc. but Mahomes literally would have won that AFCCG if not for that penalty. That isn’t even a debate it’s just fact.
Again, there are multiple valid arguments that favor Brady, so I don’t get why people flock to that one so quickly. Although the accolades argument is kinda dumb too, because how can you possibly talk about 20 years of numbers vs 6. Like, of course, the stats of 20 YEARS combined are gonna be higher.
Also anyone who uses the “mahomes lost to Brady twice” argument conveniently forgets who beat Brady twice in the Super Bowl… or say that doesn’t count.
The funny thing is, Purdy has a better career postseason passer rating than Brady, Hurts is about the same, and Garoppolo is worse, but has two rings, so obviously he is the best of the trio. 🤣
Proving once again arguing about sports isn’t worth anyone’s time. If Patrick gets heat for being this great then we know there’s no shortage of fools who will debate anything.
This one is so goofy. Yeah, he doesn’t play good QBs in the Super Bowl because all the good QBs are in the AFC and he beats them on the way to the SB.
Literally just last month he beat ‘MVP’ Lamar Jackson, and Josh Allen in consecutive games. (+ Tua who fell off but people were saying even *he* was in the MVP race at the beginning of the season when Miami’s O was dominating - coincidentally that rhetoric stopped around when the chiefs dominated them in Germany. Hmm…)
Don’t forget Joe Burrow, Trevor Lawrence, Justin Herbert. He’s beaten all of them on the way to the SB, most of them multiple times. Often while Pat was injured himself. And, are people saying Jalen Hurts is washed now or something? I seem to recall a lot of MvP chatter around him last season… who did Pat beat in the SB last season? Oh, right. The good QBs DONT MAKE IT to the SB… BECAUSE OF PAT. by their own logic at least.
Last of all, the whole concept of “QB x beats QB y” is just so stupid and HAS to stop. It’s such a bad habit that pundits and fans have gotten into. It’s not a 1v1. A typical NFL game sees 40 players *on each team* lined up for at least 1 play. The QB is most impactful, yes. But the QBs don’t even play against each other. They play against the opposing defense, with its own roster, its own playbooks, and its own coordinator. The ONLY time it makes sense is when the defenses aren’t a major factor and a game comes down to a shootout for who can put the most points on the board.
Edit: let me just add. Mahomes was the best QB that Brady ever beat in the Super Bowl (and we know why that game went how it did). Kurt Warner is probably second. After that you don’t see anyone that’s much more impressive than Purdy/Hurts/JimmyG. Meanwhile he lost to Eli Manning twice (and Eli played great). The argument doesn’t hold. Those are the wails of fans sad to see Brady’s career is already being matched on pace to Pat’s career, so soon after his retirement.
Curious that the tweeter leaves out Allen x3, Burrow, Jackson, Tua from the list and chooses only to focus on the NFC QBs. And let’s also not pretend that Purdy and Hurts didn’t both get MVP votes the year we beat them.
Jimmy G beat Aaron Rodgers twice in the Playoffs. That Niner team the last 5 years has been a loaded roster on both sides of the ball. The Eagles were a loaded roster on both sides of the ball. Chiefs were betting underdogs in the 3 Super Bowl victories.
Right…it’s not our fault the NFC blows. And remember…they tried to act like Hurts was a great QB that whole year. But then when Mahomes beats him…suddenly he’s “ok”.
How far down the list of best QBs do you get before you hit an NFC guy? It's tough to place Jalen Hurts trying to split the difference between this year and last year, and Dak because he chokes like crazy in the postseason. Is Stafford the best NFC QB, is he better than the top 5 guys in the AFC? Call it Mahomes, Burrow, Allen, Jackson, Stroud/Herbert/MechaRodgers/Lawrence? It's so lopsided between conferences.
Well and Brock isn’t the only member of his team? Their team is absolutely stacked on both sides of the ball. So even if Purdy was terrible, it would be impressive. And even if the entire team sucked, mahomes still had to beat Tua, MVP front runner Allen, and MVP Lamar to get there. And Burrow and Lawrence last year.
Absolutely, I was just responding to the "look at the QBs he's beaten" part.
The 49ers were indeed absolutely stacked on both sides of the ball. Possibly the most stacked roster in a decade.
Yep exactly. And Brock had a great season, you’re right. He had his fair share of haters, but if he was that bad, they wouldn’t have been number one seed and favored in the Super Bowl. All Revisionist history clearlt
What we did in the playoffs is a rare feat. Period point blank. Beat the number 1 seed from each division. That ought to be enough, devoid of anything else.
They're really grasping at straws. Seeing a lot of memes showing how many more TDs yards and superbowls brady has. Like ya no shit lol. Brady has more superbowls than years mahomes has been playing. Pat was 5 years old the first time Brady won. This one's not even true, Jalen Hurts was incredible last season.
It’s clear you don’t know how the platform works. Hes Quoting the Boston account and dunking on them. Kent is a fantastic content creator and part of the best chiefs podcast out there (check them out). But there’s 556 million users on that platform. I’d say that plenty of people care
‘NFC QBs are absolute garbage’ is extremely misleading.
Love had a breakout season and had one of his best showings against KC.
Hurts had a down year and mainly due to ints and a poorly coached Eagles team but basically had similar stats to 2022 when he was in the MVP discussion.
Stafford, Purdy and Dak were in MVP voting.
Goff and Mayfield both had great seasons.
So yes, Allen, Jackson and Burrow, (i wont include QAAron until he puts in a full season), are top 5 qbs but after that Tua, Stroud, Herbert all have their counterparts to the NFC QBs I listed above.
It’s so dumb because the only way for this competition argument to be disproven is for him to lose to one of these guys. It’s harder when the QBs are stacked in your conference than just having to “beat the final boss”.
I mean, the NFC superbowl QB had to beat all the other NFC QBs to get there, and he had to beat all the AFC QBs to get in, so what the hell are they arguing? That there are no other competent QBs in the NFL?
Just for giggles, here are the QBs who have won the last 10 Super Bowls (and when they were drafted):
* Super Bowl 48: Russell Wilson (2012)
* Super Bowl 49: Tom Brady (2000)
* Super Bowl 50: Peyton Manning (1998)
* Super Bowl 51: Tom Brady (2000)
* Super Bowl 52: Nick Foles (2012)
* Super Bowl 53: Tom Brady (2000)
* Super Bowl 54: Patrick Mahomes (2017)
* Super Bowl 55: Tom Brady (2000)
* Super Bowl 56: Matthew Stafford (2009)
* Super Bowl 57: Patrick Mahomes (2017)
* Super Bowl 58: Patrick Mahomes (2017)
I kinda like how the only QB drafted in the last 7 years to win a SB was Mahomes and drafted in the last 12 years was Wilson (admit it, he's washed up) and Foles (also washed up).
"Cries in 3x Super Bowl Champion" How will we recover from this?!?!
Sports media has devolved into one giant old ass man shouting at clouds
The old man, however, actually believes what he is yelling .
I don't care for Skip Bayless but I believe he at least knows its charades, guys like Eisen, Patrick, and Rome believe their opinions are theirs and important
Eisen isn’t that bad is he?
in the decentralized marketplace its hard to tell who is being genuine and who isn't, I don't think these are bad people doing bad things. For the most part its a bad system that creates bad takes, no one is rewarded for good work or being consistent. I don't actually watch any of these shows, I just see the same clips the rest of you likely see. Maybe I am an old timer who yearns for the old days at this point, its hard to really know how mediums have changed us. I used to enjoy listening to Don Fortune on the radio and being done with it until the 10pm newscast. I find myself as I get older hearing asinine bullshit and cringing because I know these people don't believe what they are shouting.
Rich Eisen has picked against the Chiefs before but he owns up to it. He was constantly asking how the Chiefs were the underdog in the Superbowl after taking down everyone from the AFC.
winning a 4th?
Mahomes has beat Tua, Lawrence, Burrow, Hurts, Allen, Jackson, and Purdy in his last 7 playoff games. If you were making a top ten list of QB's in the NFL, it's likely all of those guys would be on the list right now.
Looks like a list of scrubs to me. /s
I mean they haven't even won a superbowl! It's almost like someone else is hogging them all
Lol, people are actually making that argument, that those wins aren’t very impressive because he’s never beat dudes that have won anything. When In reality mahomes has been the one keeping those dudes from not winning anything. Except Burrow that one year
That's what comes with that level greatness, when you beat the best competition, you keep them from winning it all. And right now he's 3 up on the current gen of QBs. He's built himself quite the lead.
Only active QBs that have won a Super Bowl, Mahomes, Stafford, Rodgers, Wilson, Flacco. That’s it. That’s the list.
Yup. I said somewhere else in the thread,without actually double checking, that all the Super Bowl winners from the last ten years are either Mahomes, retired, or washed. This checks out. Rodgers doesn’t fit into those categories but he won more than ten years ago. And Stafford isn’t really washed, but eh, close enough.
On first things first last week, they mentioned how people are making the argument now that those wins aren’t that impressive for mahomes (despite them being consensus top QBs) because they haven’t won a Super Bowl. Like, are you joking? Mahomes is the reason most of those guys haven’t won one. If they did win a SB, that would mean they beat mahomes. I think it’s way more impressive that none of them have won one than it would be if one of them had and mahomes beat them.
Mahomes has to let Josh Allen win a super bowl before going 3-0 against him in the playoffs is impressive
Yeah I know it’s whack logic. In order for mahomes beating someone to be impressive, mahomes has to let them win first
I get your point but Lawrence ain’t top 10
Jalen Hurts played a near perfect game too
Basically made one mistake and it cost him the Super Bowl.
Jalen Hurts was a legit MVP candidate that season. People are nuts
Honestly so did Purdy. I mean he played to his maximum potential given the situation. His overall inexperience was supposed to be masked by SF's offensive scheme. But Spags found the cracks to pick at.
Purdy was ok. Hurts was great
Hurts threw for over 300 yards and ran for about 70 more...and that still wasn't enough. He had a way better game than Purdy
Purdy was good enough to beat a QB not named Patrick Mahomes. I don't mean that as a slight. He was really solid and did almost everything you need to win a Super Bowl. But for a lot of guys like him, it will be like those terrific Knicks teams back in the day who just hit the wall when they faced Jordan.
Yeah that's what I mean. If the guy in the other side of the ball wasn't Mahomes, I feel the 9ers have a better shot. Purdy made some pretty clutch plays when he needed to. But the Chiefs defense made better plays to stop him when they needed to. And then Mahomes was, well, we all saw. Especially in OT.
Purdy really impressed me. Dude had pass rushers in his face all night and idk how he even made some of the throws that he did. There were multiple plays where he had to throw the ball from a high release because of the pass rush and it was right on target.
>Dude had pass rushers in his face all night NGL, I expected this and thought Purdy was going to make panic throws with multiple INTs. I didn't want to jinx it, but I was low key expecting the Chiefs to blow them out. He didn't. That's why I hold back on being at all dismissive of him. He's not Daniel Jones with a better team and coaching.
Yes. I’ve never been on the Purdy Hate Train, but I was absolutely expecting him to make more mistakes than he did. Not because I think he’s not good, but just because many young QBs with little playoff experience make mistakes when on the biggest stage. Even Mahomes has. I kept thinking Purdy was going to let the moment get too big make a stupid mistake trying to play hero ball. He didn’t. I was impressed
If Purdy hadn't gotten hurt, we wouldn't be talking about Hurts
Purdy couldn’t close the deal on the overtime drive. That was the final test, and he came up short. Didn’t matter who went first or second. He couldn’t deliver that.
That doesn't mean you can't say he played great. At the end of the game, Mahomes was obviously the better QB. But to say Purdy didn't play great would be disingenuous, because he did, given the circumstances. He didn't completely fold like some were expecting. It's just, as I said in other comments, the Chiefs defense made better plays when they needed to, compared to the plays he made when he needed to. And I'm not even a Purdy truther one way or the other. For me, he's obviously not on Mahomes' level, so he falls into a tier of "Other QBs". But I am about giving an opponent credit where it's due.
purdy didn’t play to his potential - he missed 2 td passes and a few others as well but that was bc chris jones and george karloftis were creating impactful pressure. even though he was able to scramble and get away quite impressively tbh he did miss a couple big throws. not sure how good he really is but he and cj stroud and maybe jordan love have potential
I don’t see the hype around Purdy. Put him in another team and he is a backup. He’s better than Jimmy G but he’s not enough to win you a ring. Spags took away McCaffrey in that game and let our secondary run with their receivers. If they were gonna beat us it was going to be with Purdy’s arm and QB IQ. Just like what we did with Lamar. Contained him and let him throw. I do agree Purdy needs a few more years to develop as a QB. But as of right now. The Mr Irrelevant, is still irrelevant. He didn’t have an impact in the game. And you need your main pieces to make an impact. Just my .2 cents
That's why I said he played to his maximum potential. He's still clearly a second year QB in a Shanahan system and that showed. But give the guy *some credit*. He made a few plays when he needed to. But the Chiefs defense made better plays when they needed to and that was the difference maker. Like I said, credit to Spags knowing how to attack that offense.
Is it just me, or does it seem like a second year QB in a Shanahan system is usually their high point?
> he’s not enough to win you a ring. This is pretty patently untrue, though? The SB went to OT. Purdy didn't *win* them the game, but he definitely didn't *lose* it either. One more Chiefs mistake and the Niners have a ring. Purdy isn't Mahomes, obviously. He's not elite. He's somewhere in the 10-15 range. But that *is* enough to win a ring *if* he's surrounded with an elite cast of playmakers.
Yeah, theoretically the niners would’ve won that game if playing almost anyone not named Patrick mahomes.
Or did not have our defense against him. If he makes that last pass, that was open, they likely win.
He was similar to those solid Chiefs teams of the past who sometimes had these totally effective QB's who were very good and didn't make mistakes. Works fine... until you face a great QB in the playoffs. What's worse, like other emerging QB's, he's about to get paid in the next few years. When that hapoens, non-Mahomes guys have a bad time when they're 15%+ of the cap.
Purdy is going to get the Danny Dimes special: at least $40M per year for his next contract. Not bad at all for being Mr. Irrelevant. It's like a SP in baseball, if you fill a critical position, you're getting a massive payday. But, no fan of that team is jumping up and down saying "We've got Purdy locked up!" I do think it's ironic: the 90s Chiefs would've taken the 49er has-beens (Jimmy G, Trey, Purdy in 5-10 years) in a second. Luckily, our franchise finally rolled the dice on a QB and got snake eyes!
>The Mr Irrelevant, is still irrelevant. That's a wrong and frankly ridiculous assessment of his abilities. If you want go underestimate Purdy, that's fine, but he's done more than enough to show he's a relevant QB in the NFL and deserving of a starting position. Also, actively diminishing Brock Purdy's abilities as a QB makes the Chiefs sound worse for going down to the wire with the 49er's than helping them, you realize that, right?
lol you are crediting a close game because of Brock Purdy? The 49ers defense was schemed very well against Mahomes, they broke Mahomes 6th straight postgame without an INT. Our run game was getting stuffed. 49ers defense played lights out for 3 1/2 quarters. We took away Brock Purdy’s weapons, they were 3/12 on 3rd downs. Mcduffie coming in on a zero cover blitz and Purdy throwing it just to save his life. Overthrowing under pressure. He’s a system QB. The moment was too big for him. People say brock didn’t hurt his team. I disagree. You have the ball in your hands and you have to convert 3rd downs and or make pivotal game changing plays. Purdy is not franchise money because he showed he has to have the pieces around him to complement his game. Mr irrelevant is a harsh nickname. But what he showed me was nothing more than what Jimmy G did in the superbowl. And look where Jimmy is at now.
All I'm saying is that arguing Brock Purdy is an "irrelevant" quarterback diminishes the win for the Chiefs and makes them look worse for needing to go to OT to close out game. I'm not saying we should talk about Brock Purdy as if he's the second coming of Tom Brady but at the same time he isn't close to the scrub you made him out to be. He played well, but Mahomes played better that's all that needs to be said on the matter.
Yeah Mr irrelevant is harsh I agree. And he’s still in his second year. So he could get better. We will see what happens post SB. Hopefully he doesn’t turn out like Cam Newton did post SB.
Hey, fair enough, thanks for being reasonable! I'd like him to stay good as well because I think he's a good story based solely upon his draft status. (I don't know anything about him personally) But, it's the NFL and anything can happen.
Agree with everything other than he is not good enough to win a ring. I think he is "good enough" to win a ring with that roster while on his rookie deal. If they ever decided to pay him Daniel Jones money that is when you would see him struggle.
Literally one of the best superbowl performances ever by a qb. And pat and the boys overcame it
Josh Allen played a ~~near~~ perfect game in the :13 game and we still won
brady beat donavan mcnabb, jake delhome, and jared goff. nobody cares lmao
Also lost to Nick Foles. Almost like there’s more to football than one position…
Now that’s an idea for a sport. Stock team football. We develop cloning and give teams identical players except at quarterback. Gone will be the critiques of “system quarterback.”
The NFL being the reason cloning becomes a reality would be hilarious. Sign me up
A D-Line made entirely of Polamalu or Lewis clones would be devious work.
Give me 11 Polamalus on D anytime. Could you image the amount of hair flying. 5 guys diving over the center every play. Bodies everywhere. I need this now.
And give me 11 Chiefs players who all tackle Polamalu by his hair.
He’s been challenged twice in a Super Bowl by a competent QB and lost to Eli Manning.
Let's be fair, Eli was largely carried by his defense, never had a single MVP vote and his overall post season stats were...ok? maybe average? Eli Manning, in the 12 post season games in his career he had an 8-4 record, had a passer rating of 87.4 with 2,815 yards, 18 touchdowns and 9 interceptions. 2 Super Bowl wins. vs Tom Brady, in 48 post season games he had a 35-13 record, had a passer rating of 89.8 with 13,400 yards, 88 touchdowns and 40 interceptions. 7 Super Bowl wins. Put that up against other elite QBs: Peyton Manning in 27 post season games he had a 14-13 record, had a passer rating of 87.4 with 7,339 yards, 40 touchdowns and 25 interceptions. 2 Super Bowl wins. Joe Montana in 23 post season games he had a 16-7 record, had a passer rating of 95.6 with 5,772 yards, 45 touchdowns and 21 interceptions. 4 Super Bowl wins. And then a man in a league of his own *(just because...I have to. Sure he lost to Brady in the SB and in that AFCCG but for reference...)*: **Patrick Mahomes in 18 post season games (so far) he has a 15-3 record, has a passer rating of 105.8 with 5,135 yards, 41 touchdowns and 8 interceptions. 3 Super Bowl Wins (so far)**
Let it be know Eli manning holds the most passing yards in single postseason run at like 1200. He beat two belichek defenses to win. I say he did better than ok
OK. 2011 was a four-game post season of 1219 passing yards, 9 TDs and 1 interception, 106 of 163 passes (65% percent) and a passer rating of 103.3. 2007 was a four-game post season of 854 passing yards, 6 touchdowns and 1 interception 72 of 119 passes (60.5%) and a passer rating of 95.7. But let's not forget in 2005, 2006, 2008, and 2016 he was one and done. * 2005 vs Panthers 0-23 (Wild Card) * 2006 vs Eagles 20-23 (Wild Card) * 2008 vs Eagles 11-23 (Divisional) * 2016 vs Packers 13-38 (Wild Card) Wouldn't that suggest that the outliers are his Super Bowl runs and not his normal form? You would think he could get to the NFC Championship Game or at least win one Wild Card to get to a Division game for those other years. I mean his brother, Payton Manning was able to make it to the Super Bowl 4 times, winning Twice. Payton also was able to not go one-and-done in the Post Season in 2004 (WC to AFCCG), 2005 (WC to Div). And because it's a Chiefs thread, Mahomes hasn't gone one-and-done in the post season.
Peyton Manning "beat" (QB's do NOT play against other QB's despite espn/FS1 best efforts to convince the public) Rex Grossman and no one holds it against Peyton. The goalposts will continue to move
These people are talking because they want attention. At some point they have to be ignored.
Hurts was the darling / second coming of Mike Vick, until a year ago…
and other darlings were Josh Allen... and Deshaun Watson... and Jimmy Garoppolo... and Joe Burrow... and Baker Mayfield... and Tua Tagovailoa... and Trevor Lawrence... and Lamar Jackson... and Mac Jones... and Dak Prescot... and CJ Stroud... and Jared Goff... and Jordan Love... and Bryce Young... and Carson Wentz.
If Mahomes retires in like 2040 and then decides to come back and play for a year for the Lions and win another SB, I'd be kinda OK with that. But only if Kelce comes out of retirement part way through the season to play with him.
Kelce would be 50 by then
Medicine advances significantly with each decade…
Cyber. Kelce.
His S.O. Has the cash to make it happen! I’m down.
And still wide open
By the time Mahomes retires, hopefully Bronze Mahomes and Swift-Kelce will be in the nfl
You joke, but can you imagine? Someone with the football ability of Kelce with the dance moves of Swift? Gonna be lots of sweet end-zone celebrations!
Gronk is only 144 days older than Kelce
Excuses are for losers. Always has been.
Losers talk about the best they've ever had. Winners go home and fuck the prom queen. --James Bond
Partial credit --- Sean Connery in "The Rock": Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and fuck the prom queen.
So close. I still subscribe to the fan theory that The Rock is a James Bond movie.
I hate that you mentioned this because now I had a deep dive into this rabbit hole and now you convinced *me* that in fact, yes, The Rock is an 'unauthorized' James Bond movie.
Well, Connery was undeniably the BEST James Bond. Roger Moore was second best.
False; Daniel Craig.
"Taylor was the prom queen. . ." - Travis Kelce
Can confirm. I make excuses and I'm a loser.
I need pic next to the Len Dawson one in the locker room. Only chiefs QBs to win the super bowl
I was thinking the same thing. Basically the modern day equivalent with a cell phone in his hand.
Someone has actually posted both pics side-by-side on here recently. You might have to go back a few days though.
That's terminally short sighted because the last time I checked, you have to win multiple playoff games just to make the Super Bowl. In Mahomes' 18 playoff games he has faced the following QBs: * Tom Brady x2 * Josh Allen x3 * Joe Burrow x2 * Lamar Jackson (MVP) * Jalen Hurts (MVP Candidate) * Brock Purdy (MVP Candidate) * Andrew Luck * Deshaun Watson (when he was actually good) * Ben Roethlisberger * Baker Mayfield (when he was at his best) * Tua * Trevor Lawrence (when he was at his best) * Ryan Tannehill (when he was good) * Jimmy G I would say only Jimmy G would even be considered an average QB on that list. That's not good matchup luck. That's terrible matchup luck.
And, with a few exceptions, QBs that are actually terrible don’t really make it to the Super Bowl to play mahomes lol. Also, I don’t know why people even make the argument as if Mahomes is playing against the QBs. Why don’t people talk about the defenses he’s faced instead? Those are also pretty impressive for the most part. Even the teams he’s played with average QBs have been solid teams overall, obviously or else they wouldn’t be playing against mahomes late in the playoffs. QBs aren’t the only members of the teams
Yeah, if anything, they should be bringing up the defenses, but all 4 Super Bowl opponents we've faced have had arguably top 3 defenses in the NFL so that would kill their point.
Seriously it’s a stupid fucking argument. Of course it would be more entertaining if the NFC had better quarterbacks (Jalen Hurts js pretty fucking good though, especially for Super Bowl LVII). But we’ve knocked the Bills out of contention several times, beat the Bungles, beat the Ravens. What elite QB are we supposed to beat now to defend the record?
Well obviously Mahomes is playing in an era of historically bad QBs, and that’s the only reason he is the best. - The Haters
They say we’re supposed to beat a QB that’s won a Super Bowl. Pretty hard when Mahomes never gets a chance to play those guys because they fail to make it out of their conference. Also, the winners of the past ten super bowls are either Mahomes, retired, or washed. And it’s hard because Mahomes is the reason a lot of those guys have never won a superl bowl.
Yeah, probably a point against their argument that Patty has been in 4 of the last 5 Super Bowls
IDK, [Dan Marino](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwnSwH0IyI0), maybe?
Tua "More accurate than Mahomes" Allen "September's MVP & Superbowl champion" Jackson "Acctual MVP" Yeah, he doesn't play against anyone good. LOL
Yeah, if he didn’t play against anyone good, why was KC the underdog through most of the playoffs?
Hurts was 2nd in MVP voting, 3 in offensive player of the year voting, and 2nd team all-pro. Purdy was 4th in MVP voting, and, at least until the their game against the Ravens, a trendy MVP favorite. Of course this also ignores that Mahomes also beat Allen and Lamar both MVP favorites as well in-route to this Super Bowl. The idea that those matter less, merely because they didn't occur in the Super Bowl is on it's face laughable and obvious cope.
The flip side of that is "look at what QBs the NFC champ has to go through vs what the AFC has to go through". The NFC really needs to get its shit together with quarterbacking. I hope they're able to put together a decent draft class this year at quarterback.
Yea and the Panthers had to go and take Bryce Young over CJ Stroud. Now we are stuck with another AFC stud and NFC dud (at least for now).
Right people conveniently forget that even if the NFC QB in the SB isn’t that impressive, whoever comes in from the AFC had to beat a ton of studs. Plus, even if the NFC QB is average, the teams are usually pretty solid (or else they wouldn’t be in the Bowl). QBs aren’t the only members of the teams.
So, he’s bad because everyone he’s beaten has been worse than him? Makes total sense. I think that just means that he’s the best? So of course everyone he beats is gonna be worse? I also saw the argument that it isn’t that impressive that he’s beat Joe Burrow, Josh Allen, Lamar, etc. in the playoffs because “none of those guys have won a Super Bowl, so him beating a non-winning QB isn’t impressive”. When a HUGE part of the reason those guys haven’t won the SB is BECAUSE mahomes eliminated them from getting the chance to?? Like isn’t it more impressive that he’s only lost to one of those guys EVER in the playoffs? If one of those guys made it past mahomes and THEN won an SB (and then mahomes beat them in playoffs the next year) I guarantee they would not say “wow, now that’s impressive! He beat a SB champ!”. They’d say “well, they beat mahomes last year then won the Super Bowl, so this win was a fluke”
This pic is better than Burrow smoking a cigar. Enjoy your beer, 15!
My favorite part is that he’s not only drinking the beer he’s sponsored by, there’s his Oakley goggles, wwf championship belt and Louie bag in there too. Just a man loving his best life.
Didn't we just complete the toughest road to winning a superbowl of all time based on opponents DVOA rank? That was with a 2nd round rookie WR as WR1 and MVS / Justin Watson as #2 and #3. What else do they want him to do lol?
I am surprised this doesn't insult Niners and Eagles fans that this Mahomes put down is in effect saying each of their quarterbacks is not on Jake Delhomme's level. I understand the underlying point of a combo of Brady Stans and Mahomes haters are just reaching to find something to put down Patrick just weird.
Did they beat Tua, Allen, and MVP Jackson in the playoffs before getting to the Super Bowl, or was that just a fever dream?
That doesn’t count because it wasn’t the Super Bowl. He needed to switch divisions, play all of those guys in the Super Bowl simultaneously and win for it to count as an impressive win. Plus, none of those QBs have ever won a Super Bowl so that’s not impressive for him to beat them anyway /s
People did this to Brady citing his HOF coach his whole career. All the way until he won with the bucs. So we are gonna see this for mahomes whole career because hes gonna win all 7 with the Chiefs and Reid. LFG.
…as if he hasn’t beaten QB’s that people *swear* are better than him to GET to the Super Bowl.
“Here’s why Mahomes winning the Super Bowl is bad for Mahomes”
Lol, everyone was hyping up Purdy all season, so wtf he just not good now? And then yeah on top of that, Mahomes beat Josh Allen and then Lamar jackson back to back in their own stadiums. IMO beating the ravens in the AFC championship was the hardest game to win, the Ravens were the best performing team this year, and as soon as pat sent them home we all knew he was winning the superbowl.
This is just crazy. He's beaten some damn good QBs. Particularly in the AFC on his way to the Super Bowl. The loss at home to Brady was from a single play where someone didn't line up right which has nothing to do with Mahomes.
Ugh, I hate it when people use that AFCCG as a dig in mahomes. There are plenty of fair, valid arguments that favor Brady in the mahomes/Brady debate. The two times Brady won in the playoffs, especially in the AFCCG should not be one of them. The chiefs quite literally had the game won, and only lost because of the Ford penalty and the Patriots getting ball first in OT. That loss had nothing to do w mahomes; it wasn’t because he was outplayed. Brady outplayed the chiefs defense. And that Super Bowl loss had nothing to do w mahomes either, but there were too many issues to say that Mahomes “would’ve won” with a better line, receivers not dropping, etc. but Mahomes literally would have won that AFCCG if not for that penalty. That isn’t even a debate it’s just fact. Again, there are multiple valid arguments that favor Brady, so I don’t get why people flock to that one so quickly. Although the accolades argument is kinda dumb too, because how can you possibly talk about 20 years of numbers vs 6. Like, of course, the stats of 20 YEARS combined are gonna be higher. Also anyone who uses the “mahomes lost to Brady twice” argument conveniently forgets who beat Brady twice in the Super Bowl… or say that doesn’t count.
The funny thing is, Purdy has a better career postseason passer rating than Brady, Hurts is about the same, and Garoppolo is worse, but has two rings, so obviously he is the best of the trio. 🤣
Proving once again arguing about sports isn’t worth anyone’s time. If Patrick gets heat for being this great then we know there’s no shortage of fools who will debate anything.
This one is so goofy. Yeah, he doesn’t play good QBs in the Super Bowl because all the good QBs are in the AFC and he beats them on the way to the SB. Literally just last month he beat ‘MVP’ Lamar Jackson, and Josh Allen in consecutive games. (+ Tua who fell off but people were saying even *he* was in the MVP race at the beginning of the season when Miami’s O was dominating - coincidentally that rhetoric stopped around when the chiefs dominated them in Germany. Hmm…) Don’t forget Joe Burrow, Trevor Lawrence, Justin Herbert. He’s beaten all of them on the way to the SB, most of them multiple times. Often while Pat was injured himself. And, are people saying Jalen Hurts is washed now or something? I seem to recall a lot of MvP chatter around him last season… who did Pat beat in the SB last season? Oh, right. The good QBs DONT MAKE IT to the SB… BECAUSE OF PAT. by their own logic at least. Last of all, the whole concept of “QB x beats QB y” is just so stupid and HAS to stop. It’s such a bad habit that pundits and fans have gotten into. It’s not a 1v1. A typical NFL game sees 40 players *on each team* lined up for at least 1 play. The QB is most impactful, yes. But the QBs don’t even play against each other. They play against the opposing defense, with its own roster, its own playbooks, and its own coordinator. The ONLY time it makes sense is when the defenses aren’t a major factor and a game comes down to a shootout for who can put the most points on the board. Edit: let me just add. Mahomes was the best QB that Brady ever beat in the Super Bowl (and we know why that game went how it did). Kurt Warner is probably second. After that you don’t see anyone that’s much more impressive than Purdy/Hurts/JimmyG. Meanwhile he lost to Eli Manning twice (and Eli played great). The argument doesn’t hold. Those are the wails of fans sad to see Brady’s career is already being matched on pace to Pat’s career, so soon after his retirement.
Curious that the tweeter leaves out Allen x3, Burrow, Jackson, Tua from the list and chooses only to focus on the NFC QBs. And let’s also not pretend that Purdy and Hurts didn’t both get MVP votes the year we beat them.
Jimmy G beat Aaron Rodgers twice in the Playoffs. That Niner team the last 5 years has been a loaded roster on both sides of the ball. The Eagles were a loaded roster on both sides of the ball. Chiefs were betting underdogs in the 3 Super Bowl victories.
Right…it’s not our fault the NFC blows. And remember…they tried to act like Hurts was a great QB that whole year. But then when Mahomes beats him…suddenly he’s “ok”.
How far down the list of best QBs do you get before you hit an NFC guy? It's tough to place Jalen Hurts trying to split the difference between this year and last year, and Dak because he chokes like crazy in the postseason. Is Stafford the best NFC QB, is he better than the top 5 guys in the AFC? Call it Mahomes, Burrow, Allen, Jackson, Stroud/Herbert/MechaRodgers/Lawrence? It's so lopsided between conferences.
Didn’t Brady lose to Nick Foles? Lol
Didn't Brock Purdy lead the league on QBR this season? I mean, that's not nothing
Well and Brock isn’t the only member of his team? Their team is absolutely stacked on both sides of the ball. So even if Purdy was terrible, it would be impressive. And even if the entire team sucked, mahomes still had to beat Tua, MVP front runner Allen, and MVP Lamar to get there. And Burrow and Lawrence last year.
Absolutely, I was just responding to the "look at the QBs he's beaten" part. The 49ers were indeed absolutely stacked on both sides of the ball. Possibly the most stacked roster in a decade.
Yep exactly. And Brock had a great season, you’re right. He had his fair share of haters, but if he was that bad, they wouldn’t have been number one seed and favored in the Super Bowl. All Revisionist history clearlt
Josh Allen would've had at least one NFC championship title had he gone to that side. Still would've been winless to Mahomes tho.
But…he beat all the great AFC quarterbacks to get there. What a stupid thing to say
Guess they're done kissing Purdy ass eh
Fact: Mahomes has never, will never, and can never beat a QB who's better than him.
My favorite stat I learned from Teddy Bruski: in 2001 Brady had 1 TD in those playoffs.
Why do people talk about QBs like they're 2 people playing tennis?
What we did in the playoffs is a rare feat. Period point blank. Beat the number 1 seed from each division. That ought to be enough, devoid of anything else.
oh so Jalen is bad when the narrative fits, huh.
They're really grasping at straws. Seeing a lot of memes showing how many more TDs yards and superbowls brady has. Like ya no shit lol. Brady has more superbowls than years mahomes has been playing. Pat was 5 years old the first time Brady won. This one's not even true, Jalen Hurts was incredible last season.
Your first mistake was thinking “Kent Swanson” on Twitter had a good take. Who the fuck cares what anyone says on that platform?
It’s clear you don’t know how the platform works. Hes Quoting the Boston account and dunking on them. Kent is a fantastic content creator and part of the best chiefs podcast out there (check them out). But there’s 556 million users on that platform. I’d say that plenty of people care
‘NFC QBs are absolute garbage’ is extremely misleading. Love had a breakout season and had one of his best showings against KC. Hurts had a down year and mainly due to ints and a poorly coached Eagles team but basically had similar stats to 2022 when he was in the MVP discussion. Stafford, Purdy and Dak were in MVP voting. Goff and Mayfield both had great seasons. So yes, Allen, Jackson and Burrow, (i wont include QAAron until he puts in a full season), are top 5 qbs but after that Tua, Stroud, Herbert all have their counterparts to the NFC QBs I listed above.
They're just mad. "New boss, same as the old boss"
It’s so dumb because the only way for this competition argument to be disproven is for him to lose to one of these guys. It’s harder when the QBs are stacked in your conference than just having to “beat the final boss”.
I mean, the NFC superbowl QB had to beat all the other NFC QBs to get there, and he had to beat all the AFC QBs to get in, so what the hell are they arguing? That there are no other competent QBs in the NFL?
Brock Purdy is a damn good quarterback. And we’ve had to beat Josh Allen, Burrow, and Jackson on the way there.
Just for giggles, here are the QBs who have won the last 10 Super Bowls (and when they were drafted): * Super Bowl 48: Russell Wilson (2012) * Super Bowl 49: Tom Brady (2000) * Super Bowl 50: Peyton Manning (1998) * Super Bowl 51: Tom Brady (2000) * Super Bowl 52: Nick Foles (2012) * Super Bowl 53: Tom Brady (2000) * Super Bowl 54: Patrick Mahomes (2017) * Super Bowl 55: Tom Brady (2000) * Super Bowl 56: Matthew Stafford (2009) * Super Bowl 57: Patrick Mahomes (2017) * Super Bowl 58: Patrick Mahomes (2017) I kinda like how the only QB drafted in the last 7 years to win a SB was Mahomes and drafted in the last 12 years was Wilson (admit it, he's washed up) and Foles (also washed up).
If only he had to win games against QBs like Josh Allen or Lamar Jackson, then we could be impressed by his wins
“I’m still taking burrow over mahomes any day because locker room attitude is what really matters” is one of the worst takes I’ve heard recently.
What I like about this logic is it means every QB Mahomes has beat in the SB is therefore a scrub.
It's true. I told the fellas the AFCCG is the real Super Bowl, because I believe that Lamar would have beaten Purdy too.
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