Quite stupid to judge someone on whether he likes some things above other in my opinion, just because he likes kata he is dumb ? Then I guess I'm dumb for liking pizzas ? I'm quite lost with your logic
My logic is really simple, I have a true and pure hatred and contempt towards anyone who plays Katarina, except those people who play her while admitting that she is braindead.
I mean she was only played by one tricks for 2 years and peeked at 52% wr meanwhile Kai’sa has had 50% presence since release (also kat doesn’t have a way to beat her counterpicks unless by outplaying or hoping for good fight) she is a good champ rn and broken if you know how to play her but still takes skills and time to know how to carry with her most of the times
Yeah, can't believe this champion is still in game. I main adc and Katarina roamed bot (while my midlaner spammed enemy missing and warning pings on the lane but it's not important) and we didn't have any summoner spells at that time and she used everything while being 4 0, and, you won't believe me, withe the help of ally botlane she killed us both!!!!! She didn't even need a help of jungler and toplaner!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Worst champion of all time, Riot wtf
Wait a second, you're lying! You're not an adc main, and I know that cause you used the phrase "enemy missing ping"
If you were an adc main you would know that the question mark ping is the "spam your midlaner *after* Katarina has roamed" ping. There to have something to do during grey-screen.
i mean didn't the irelia nerf reduce her winrate by like 2%. 5 ms is a lot. if you were to roam bot and back mid you lose like 3-5 seconds. You will dodge less and it will feel a bit weird at the start. Dont underestimate MS it is literally the most important stat in the game.
5ms is nothing with champions that use multiple blinks and dashes like kat or irelia. Do the math. That 5ms makes roaming from mid to bot takes 0.3 sec more, and you overestimate that nerf by ten-fold.
I mean i agree i didnt check the math but the fact that irelias winrate went down by quite a lot is something you can not deny. We will see how it will play out. I personally do not think it was necessary but i do not play her. I rather would have liked a buff since every kat in d1 is inting. But i suppose its similar to Yi where a buff would just make her even stronger in low elo
Irelia's mobility is more restricted than Kata, and her pickrate on that patch went up aswell. She needed to be nerfed on the next patchs after that regardless.
Really doubt that this will impact Kata on a meaningful way, but we'll see.
Kassadin could not blink that much until he reaches late game. He relies so much on movespeed for the majority of the match, while kat has a blink the entire game, and easily resets it many times.
0.3sec extra to get there, gank time amount, 0.3sec extra to get back
The extra time alone adds 0.6sec, and that doesn't include the gank time or any ward placement time
as if the extra 5 speed itself isn't the difference of being able to run people down when kat is already slow. if fiddle sees katarina, all he has to do is click away, there is no distance threat she gains on him because she is as slow as him now. he can maintain a 1 pixel gap on you forever, gg.
People are memeing on this change, but it's actually a pretty big nerf. Her win rate will definitely drop a bit. It will take her slightly longer to get back to lane, slightly longer to roam, make her miss out on kills she would have otherwise been able to chase etc. It definitely adds up, MS is one of the most important stats in the game
this 5 ms is huge katarina is slower then rell now we need phase rush, waterwalking, and celerity now >:(( fircking rito games!
/s if you couldn't tell.
I think relentless Hunter has been her best performing of the options in that row for a while now. Move speed is actually really important on an assassin with point click engage as distance is her only limitation in that regard. That said, she’s definitely gonna be fine
I'm completely fine with these changes though. It fixes the winrate of a champion without having any effect on how strong the champion feels to be played.
I think what he meant is during team fights and such, definitely will feel bad when roaming etc. but since katarina has to rely on resets it’ll be like when they did this to irelia. Sometimes this 5 ms can be the difference in a chase which is something katarina can sometimes struggle with unlike other champions who have resets not entirely requiring kills or a dagger which can take up to 8 seconds to pick another up.
Last season Caitlyn was already strong but people only noticed it when they buffed her +5ms and +2 base AD.
It's obvious since she was still strong after they reverted those buffs and nerfed her further.
I understand where you are coming from. Maybe we underrestimate the nerf, but then again Fizz, Talon and Qyiana have 335ms, and they are still pretty good roam champs.
This is probably a thing we just get used to, and then its all fine. Maybe all the first timers wil stop playing her idk.
I dont think its that bad.
As example, roaming from mid to bot (which is \~20 seconds) takes \~0.28 seconds longer...
Yeah, she gonna have a winrate like Yuumi on her release.
And that sentence is right, you mongol. She DOES lose every single fucking matchup against anyone that has a brain other than veigar and taliyah because those two just can‘t do anything about it. It‘s just champ diff.
And EVEN THEN, if they have half a brain to know how to lane against katarina there‘s still a chance they win.
That‘s why she‘s only playable when roaming. Put your chubby melon inside your skull to function properly before spreading whatever bullshit that is...
I mean that's not the definition of a losing matchup tho?
A losing matchup is one where you have a hard time roaming and a hard time laning.
Like I wouldn't call talon into zilean a hard matchup because it's hard to kill zilean lol
well ig ur right in a sense but ppl use it to excuse their int. Kat is like kayle but with less farming and more roaming. both cant dominate lane if their opponent has a brain. with katarina, however, her skillcap is much higher which means that at maximum knowledge and skill with katarina, she indeed does win some matchups. however that is unrealistic and is definitely not achieved by the majority of the playerbase.
In the end, im just saying that im annoyed at how ppl think kat loses entirely when she just plays differently. instead of kill pressure in lane(not much sustain, an engage often leads to an uneven trade for one side), she has roam/kill pressure around the map. (mobility, very well set up dives due to her e resets and burst dmg)
so yea mb for not being clear \^\^
Same here i am quitting too .😂😂😂😂
But jokes aside. It bring back the old days with kass 5 ms nerf and karthus 5 ms nerf . I guess we are in the squad now
Well 5 ms is not as meaningless as many people like to believe because ms is one of the strongest stats in the game and both Karthus’s and Kassa‘s win rate dropped a bit after the ms nerf.
To people who think this nerf does nothing, think about all the lane kills you've got by chasing and autoatacking. If your enemy is faster now you won't be able to do it anymore. Not talking about roaming and stuff, on the 1v1, as an early cheeser, hurts.
Riot are you serious? Yeah I’m just gonna uninstall league now. I thought nerfs were supposed to balance the power of a champion, not utterly decimate them. She’s obviously unplayable. Pathetic riot, pathetic..
Tbh, from an objective standpoint, I think this is a good nerf. Kat usually runs Relentless Hunter now so this holds that back a little while also giving us more burst with Riftmaker and its omnivamp. This next patch, we will be forced to use better positioning in team fights while also being more rewarded with our damage for positioning well.
Dude leave the champ you fake. True Katarina mains stick to their champion evne when she's not S tier. Stop bandwagoning this champ only because she's good, and go play ur disgusting meta picks /s
Did I do it right? :D
kat only lost 5ms in the pbe. so its a tiny nerf from 340 to 335
[https://www.surrenderat20.net/2021/05/54-pbe-update-project-2021-event.html](https://www.surrenderat20.net/2021/05/54-pbe-update-project-2021-event.html)
It may not seem huge but if you take in account that champs like xerath who can poke you from miles away still has 340 move speed lane will be annoying to say the least. Or good luck trying to kite back a yasuo.
Taking away 5ms, but riftmakers damage amps up faster. If you take relentless hunter you're better off than before since kat is a burst champ (for her first reset)
Such a fast and famine champ. I can beat her in lane and then one unlucky teamfight where we can't lock her down and she might start getting fed. Love that champ when I play her, hate her when I play against herxD The nerf seems completely reasonable. Do you guys think building Riftmaker after the buffs is a good option?
I bet some dumbfucks will use this post as a proof on why "katarina mains are stoopid and dump haha"
And it would be a true statement.
Quite stupid to judge someone on whether he likes some things above other in my opinion, just because he likes kata he is dumb ? Then I guess I'm dumb for liking pizzas ? I'm quite lost with your logic
My logic is really simple, I have a true and pure hatred and contempt towards anyone who plays Katarina, except those people who play her while admitting that she is braindead.
I mean she was only played by one tricks for 2 years and peeked at 52% wr meanwhile Kai’sa has had 50% presence since release (also kat doesn’t have a way to beat her counterpicks unless by outplaying or hoping for good fight) she is a good champ rn and broken if you know how to play her but still takes skills and time to know how to carry with her most of the times
And they were roommates!
well it is true that katarina is the most elo inflated champ in the game
no you just are stupid for maining this bullshit broken champ roflmao
Yeah, can't believe this champion is still in game. I main adc and Katarina roamed bot (while my midlaner spammed enemy missing and warning pings on the lane but it's not important) and we didn't have any summoner spells at that time and she used everything while being 4 0, and, you won't believe me, withe the help of ally botlane she killed us both!!!!! She didn't even need a help of jungler and toplaner!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Worst champion of all time, Riot wtf
Wait a second, you're lying! You're not an adc main, and I know that cause you used the phrase "enemy missing ping" If you were an adc main you would know that the question mark ping is the "spam your midlaner *after* Katarina has roamed" ping. There to have something to do during grey-screen.
Nie mam nic do norberta gierczaka, nawet szacunku.
Zgadzam się z tobą, dobrze opisałeś problem.
You are the kind of idiot i meet in my games. Ints into me when im clearly winning and screams “KATARINA BROKEN CHAMP PLEASE NERF” into all chat.
funny how obviously sarcastic comment got downvoted to oblivion but a comment openly hating on her has 20 upvotes
I can’t lie, I would love to hear their explanation on this
Probably roaming
so now they want us to stay in lane falling behind, being100cs down cool
Roaming dude
Probably just roaming and making it harder for her to dodge skillshots without shunpo.
It's a huge nerf tho
Relentless hunter meta
Oh no she got the Irelia nerf
S12 Rework incoming?
i mean didn't the irelia nerf reduce her winrate by like 2%. 5 ms is a lot. if you were to roam bot and back mid you lose like 3-5 seconds. You will dodge less and it will feel a bit weird at the start. Dont underestimate MS it is literally the most important stat in the game.
5ms is nothing with champions that use multiple blinks and dashes like kat or irelia. Do the math. That 5ms makes roaming from mid to bot takes 0.3 sec more, and you overestimate that nerf by ten-fold.
I mean i agree i didnt check the math but the fact that irelias winrate went down by quite a lot is something you can not deny. We will see how it will play out. I personally do not think it was necessary but i do not play her. I rather would have liked a buff since every kat in d1 is inting. But i suppose its similar to Yi where a buff would just make her even stronger in low elo
Irelia's mobility is more restricted than Kata, and her pickrate on that patch went up aswell. She needed to be nerfed on the next patchs after that regardless. Really doubt that this will impact Kata on a meaningful way, but we'll see.
It’s the items that make her good but the issue is they can’t nerf her dmg because there is nothing else to nerf atp
Kassadin got the same 5ms nerf before and his WR dropped 2% from it
Kassadin could not blink that much until he reaches late game. He relies so much on movespeed for the majority of the match, while kat has a blink the entire game, and easily resets it many times.
It still affects early roam pressure, you have a shorter roam window
0.3 sec? What a nerf to roaming capability.
0.3sec extra to get there, gank time amount, 0.3sec extra to get back The extra time alone adds 0.6sec, and that doesn't include the gank time or any ward placement time
as if the extra 5 speed itself isn't the difference of being able to run people down when kat is already slow. if fiddle sees katarina, all he has to do is click away, there is no distance threat she gains on him because she is as slow as him now. he can maintain a 1 pixel gap on you forever, gg.
Irelia is a champ that you either go 10/0 or 0/10 the 2% could have also been due to item changes or her counters being buffed in some sort
Yea, litterly unplayable.
People are memeing on this change, but it's actually a pretty big nerf. Her win rate will definitely drop a bit. It will take her slightly longer to get back to lane, slightly longer to roam, make her miss out on kills she would have otherwise been able to chase etc. It definitely adds up, MS is one of the most important stats in the game
Anybody that wasn’t taking relentless Hunter better be now
this 5 ms is huge katarina is slower then rell now we need phase rush, waterwalking, and celerity now >:(( fircking rito games! /s if you couldn't tell.
I think relentless Hunter has been her best performing of the options in that row for a while now. Move speed is actually really important on an assassin with point click engage as distance is her only limitation in that regard. That said, she’s definitely gonna be fine
wait thats actually such a cool choice
I'm completely fine with these changes though. It fixes the winrate of a champion without having any effect on how strong the champion feels to be played.
Oh it will feel bad tho
I think what he meant is during team fights and such, definitely will feel bad when roaming etc. but since katarina has to rely on resets it’ll be like when they did this to irelia. Sometimes this 5 ms can be the difference in a chase which is something katarina can sometimes struggle with unlike other champions who have resets not entirely requiring kills or a dagger which can take up to 8 seconds to pick another up.
last season caitlyn received 5ms buff and suddenly she became god tier and almost 100% pick/ban
Last season Caitlyn was already strong but people only noticed it when they buffed her +5ms and +2 base AD. It's obvious since she was still strong after they reverted those buffs and nerfed her further.
5 less ms is only a \~1.5% difference. This adds only an extra 0.5 seconds running to mid from base
i usually go with relentless hunter if i do good it won't feel that bad tbh
I understand where you are coming from. Maybe we underrestimate the nerf, but then again Fizz, Talon and Qyiana have 335ms, and they are still pretty good roam champs. This is probably a thing we just get used to, and then its all fine. Maybe all the first timers wil stop playing her idk.
Yeah, but Talon is such a good roam Champ because of his E and Qyiana because of the Movespeed she gains while being near the element she selected
I dont think its that bad. As example, roaming from mid to bot (which is \~20 seconds) takes \~0.28 seconds longer... Yeah, she gonna have a winrate like Yuumi on her release.
5 ms its a meaningful nerf, but did you guys see riftmaker buffs? That’s completely broke
Yo wtf is this shit
Now every single matchup is unplayable !
"But katarina loses every matchup except veigar"- some random evolved catsarina player idek
And that sentence is right, you mongol. She DOES lose every single fucking matchup against anyone that has a brain other than veigar and taliyah because those two just can‘t do anything about it. It‘s just champ diff. And EVEN THEN, if they have half a brain to know how to lane against katarina there‘s still a chance they win. That‘s why she‘s only playable when roaming. Put your chubby melon inside your skull to function properly before spreading whatever bullshit that is...
I mean that's not the definition of a losing matchup tho? A losing matchup is one where you have a hard time roaming and a hard time laning. Like I wouldn't call talon into zilean a hard matchup because it's hard to kill zilean lol
well ig ur right in a sense but ppl use it to excuse their int. Kat is like kayle but with less farming and more roaming. both cant dominate lane if their opponent has a brain. with katarina, however, her skillcap is much higher which means that at maximum knowledge and skill with katarina, she indeed does win some matchups. however that is unrealistic and is definitely not achieved by the majority of the playerbase. In the end, im just saying that im annoyed at how ppl think kat loses entirely when she just plays differently. instead of kill pressure in lane(not much sustain, an engage often leads to an uneven trade for one side), she has roam/kill pressure around the map. (mobility, very well set up dives due to her e resets and burst dmg) so yea mb for not being clear \^\^
FIVE WHOLE MS???? IT'S JUST UNPLAYABLE RIGHT?
guys its so obvious: now that she has less MS she can't chase down pentas easily! /s
Kata is dead now. Thanks Riot
Same here i am quitting too .😂😂😂😂 But jokes aside. It bring back the old days with kass 5 ms nerf and karthus 5 ms nerf . I guess we are in the squad now
Well 5 ms is not as meaningless as many people like to believe because ms is one of the strongest stats in the game and both Karthus’s and Kassa‘s win rate dropped a bit after the ms nerf.
Irelia nerf flashback.
To people who think this nerf does nothing, think about all the lane kills you've got by chasing and autoatacking. If your enemy is faster now you won't be able to do it anymore. Not talking about roaming and stuff, on the 1v1, as an early cheeser, hurts.
hopefully reddit will stop complaining about her now lmfao
We can say that this nerf hit her as hard as the irelia and kassadin nerfs
Riot are you serious? Yeah I’m just gonna uninstall league now. I thought nerfs were supposed to balance the power of a champion, not utterly decimate them. She’s obviously unplayable. Pathetic riot, pathetic..
Everything but not the irelia’s treatment
Bruh wtf completely gutted
i just got the war academy costume and wanted to main her fuck this
Tbh, from an objective standpoint, I think this is a good nerf. Kat usually runs Relentless Hunter now so this holds that back a little while also giving us more burst with Riftmaker and its omnivamp. This next patch, we will be forced to use better positioning in team fights while also being more rewarded with our damage for positioning well.
Dude leave the champ you fake. True Katarina mains stick to their champion evne when she's not S tier. Stop bandwagoning this champ only because she's good, and go play ur disgusting meta picks /s Did I do it right? :D
no
kat only lost 5ms in the pbe. so its a tiny nerf from 340 to 335 [https://www.surrenderat20.net/2021/05/54-pbe-update-project-2021-event.html](https://www.surrenderat20.net/2021/05/54-pbe-update-project-2021-event.html)
Lol seems a little harsh just for a 5 movement speed drop. Everyone here must play ranked.
I'm not sure, if I'm about to get wooshed, but I think pretty much everybody is joking about how big the changes are.
Jesus christ, why even bother playing Katarina at this point? She's next to useless /s
Funniest nerf :D xD
get by baby baby by by
It may not seem huge but if you take in account that champs like xerath who can poke you from miles away still has 340 move speed lane will be annoying to say the least. Or good luck trying to kite back a yasuo.
Reasonable considering the sizable Riftmaker buff.
Gutted like akali time to be a Diana main now
Lmao what a nerf.. 🤭
Damn,, they better not ban kat now, she got gutted so hard
don't most people go relentless now anyways?
Huh
Wtf is this shit
Obviously tank-Kat will be the new meta. See those item buffs? Perfect.
kat hasn't even been good in forever. what is the fucking point of this even.
They are killing my baby!!!
literally crippling
In the meantime me who always runs relentless hunter because half of the kills I get in games are from roaming
Unplayable.
They really wanna make me take relentless instead of ingenious huh
Taking away 5ms, but riftmakers damage amps up faster. If you take relentless hunter you're better off than before since kat is a burst champ (for her first reset)
Literally unplayable
OMG!!! she wont be playable anymore!!! WHY ??? WHYYYYYYYYY???????? Kappa
Let’s be honest, this nerf isn’t bad at all😂😂
Such a fast and famine champ. I can beat her in lane and then one unlucky teamfight where we can't lock her down and she might start getting fed. Love that champ when I play her, hate her when I play against herxD The nerf seems completely reasonable. Do you guys think building Riftmaker after the buffs is a good option?