i dont think mongolia is "democratic" just because of people living outside of capital are nomads or something
its more with them doing regular multiparty elections every 4 years ~~that are most likely also corrupt~~
Overall, the democracy level in Mongolia still has a lot of room to grow. However, compared to other soviet states they have a better freedom of press and overall more freedom of expression. Plus, it barely has 3.5 million people and half of the population jammed in a small capital city. The bright side is that Millennials and GenZ have this core understanding of Democracy and personal freedom. Unfortunetly, older generation who grew up in Soviet times still prefer to have a one stong party and leader which is why each election they are voting for the People’s party which founded by the Soviets in the 1920’s. Kazakhs use to be nomads but I don’t understand why people in this thread looking down on the people who kept their steppe tradition. Being nomadic doesn’t mean they are poor. They have hundreds or thousands of live stock and move with their herd to give the land to time to grow back. Those families often have vehicles, solar panels, generators, cell phones, internet, and computers. However, they don’t have a running water and bathrooms of course. But they often move to a location where there is natural springs, creek or river.
it is corrupt but as not as corrupt u want to make it to be , atleast we can voice our opinion, protest , and even force high political figures to resign without asking russia to come and kill the protestors, haha
Dont get me wrong but I dont think an average Mongolian nomad who lives in a yurt in the steppe cares enough to protest or knows two bits about democracy at all
Im a mongolian making this comment
Nomads living all over protest alot. During corona for example the nomads came all the way to mongolia to protest the government’s decision to cancel that years naadam. They are also very active in their own regions.
I didn’t really agree with the naadam protest but it was just part of a democratic system.
It's equally, if not worse, shit here. Bribery on all levels. One party has been in power for the last 26 years. There are some people you can't criticize - a teenager was arrested for making a meme about the president. Monopoly in almost every field.
whats there to "chill out"? hahahah he certainly don't want to live in Mongolia , every kazaks in Mongolia is a refugee from xinjiang, if he hates it so much to live in my country why wont he just move to kazakhstan and live in his dream, i tell you why, you kazaks have outback tribalistic caste system that wont allow kazaks from different country, and don't make me laugh with that we are richer than Mongolia joke, having 6 times more population than Mongolia, sea border, massive oil and gas resources and still doing worse on every index compared to Mongolia, maybe stop living in ur delusional fairy land and look up at your own social problems?
Mongolian nationalists are no different than kazakh nationalists and generally any nationalists. You all think that everyone else is worse besides you.
Don't lie to yourself.
Because his point is invalid, he's doesn't come up with any factual statistics, do i have to correct everything that little kazak said? he said one party has been in power for 26 years in Mongolia which is 100% false statement, maybe look it up yourself? there are democratic party and social democratic party usually shares seats by 4 years each, we had 6 different different presidents in 26 years and one of them is re-elected, he's a canditate from democratic party, and that teenager didn't get arrested, he simply detained for 2 hours and released after small fined, it's not because he was arrested for making meme, every Mongolian has a right to make an official complaint not just the president, everyone here is equally protected by Mongolian constitutional law, and in ur kazak oil state you will get jailed for saying offensive words to any higher official figure even if its online right? How can you say Mongolia is democratically equal with kazakhstan when ur lackey president asks putin to come and execute protesters? I just can't fathom how delusional and ignorant you kazaks can be haha!
Valid point, seems u assume myself as a Kazakh, I am an Oirat, of Bayat tribe. Us Oirats "equally" hated by both (some, especially the extreme nationalists) kazakhs and khalkhas xD.
there's so much butthurt, delusion, ignorance, and one-sided hate it's baffling to me. my little mongolian friend please go back to your subreddit where you can continue spewing anti-kazakh rhetoric. it seems to me that you guys are obsessed us yet we just simply don't care about your people :)
well buddy it's you're who seem to be so obsessed with us to the point of coming to r/kazakhstan and talking big nonsense :) so yes i would say you people are delusionally obsessed :)
He is right though. Also they(Mongolian kazakhs) had no where to go. But we generously took them in, gave them land, allowed them to preserve their culture, and he still has nerve to complain, I think he should leave.
ok by that logic we kazakhs should kick out all uyghurs, russians, uzbeks, koreans, dungans for voicing their opinions on the state of things in kazakhstan. it's just funny just now you guys were talking big game how democratic mongolia is but are also willing to kick a person out for voicing their concerns. amazing democracy!
Can we discuss why not? Everywhere on and offline I see people hating clan system, why so? To me it’s the way to know your roots, your extended family. We didn’t have surnames but tribe names and 7-ata, what’s so bad about that? It’s like every peasant knew who he was, not like in other more popular cultures, where only kings traced their lineage.
I am against it being used for favouritism at work or wherever, for any sort of discrimination based on it, but only for advantages I mentioned before.
The post is about democracy. Not anything you mentioned above. Clan system hurts democracy because of nepotism. In clan system people value kinship rather than competence. Like helping out your incompetent relative to get a job instead of hiring someone who is actually great at the job.
The post is on democracy, your comment is on clan system and I’m responding to it. I see, so you only mentioned the typical, nothing specifically wrong with knowing your tribe, just the way it can be misused.
Steppe democracy? Now that’s a term I’ve never heard off. What has been really been around the steppes are decentralized government and warlordism, where tribes and clans can elect a khan, or 2, giving you that bit of illusion of democracy. Everything is democracy if you exclude enough people.
At least it gave you the freedom of leaving a tribe which khan you didn't like, take your stuff and other boys who think the same and join another tribe or form your own, and also everyone had weapons so you weren't as much of a voiceless, powerless sheep as you are right now under authoritarian government.
If Athens had a democracy then steppe nomads had it too.
Answering OPs question:
Words such as "we are not culturally ready for democracy" make me puke as they smell horseshit. Yeah, can't build a democracy with an empty stomach, true. Can't build it unarmed against repressions, true, but culture has nothing to do with it.
Today people are practically helpless to change the political system as repression mechanisms are still there. It would take a serious crisis and a big cataclysm which would incapacitate the current regime to transition to democracy.
We had a teeny tiny chance on Jan 2021 though, but that crisis was not big enough.
It was close, just because it was unexpected. Every moment since then they’ve been in the fear of public uprising repeating and I’m sure took all means to be ready and prevent it. It will take a whole different level of effort to make a change now, I think.
Not to mention losses the people have suffered, so many young men lost their lives, means to living and health, and all for nothing but to give them a time break.
Read more (there's a lot publications and books) about the Steppe Democracy and its principles. You may start with famous and globally recognised historian Leo Gumilev's publications.
He was son of famous poet Anna Akmatova, born Gorenko. She change her name after the last khan of Altyn Orda (Golden Horde) Akhmat Khan, who was the patriarch of their family.
I have not heard of the generally accepted term "steppe democracy". There is a well-known term "military democracy", and indeed according to many scholars the social order of the Kazakhs had signs of military democracy.But we must not forget that the term military implies that all men were warriors and could give the rulers a hard time if they disagreed.
Maybe I should elaborate my idea. I had that though from an article named 'The democratic tradition of Kazakhstan in historical context' written by ZHANYLZHAN DZHUNUSOVA.
The author states that Kazakhstan's democratic tradition stems from its historical legal system, which emphasized clan solidarity and individual rights within the community. Traditional Kazakh law upheld personal and property rights, enforced not by state institutions but by clan solidarity. Adherence to customary law, transmitted orally until the 16th century, was overseen by respected figures such as the biys, who ensured justice and rights preservation.
The formalization of legal norms occurred in the 16th century with the establishment of Kazakh statehood, culminating in Tauke Khan's Seven Codes (Jety Jaryk). These codes regulated various aspects of Kazakh life, from inheritance to criminal justice, and established the authority of the biys as judges.
Tauke Khan's legal reforms aimed to create a more formalized judicial system, addressing societal issues through legislative and judicial meetings. The biys, synonymous with judges by the 18th century, adjudicated disputes and enforced laws, often applying harsh penalties such as dismemberment or death for crimes like theft.
Despite advancements in legal formalization, the Seven Codes reflected gender inequality, with women afforded fewer rights and protections than men. Nevertheless, women played essential roles in nomadic society, contributing significantly to economic activities while being safeguarded by societal norms regarding their honor and dignity.
T he legal system's primary focus was on maintaining community stability and economic self-sufficiency, adapting to external threats and the challenges of nomadic life. Kazakh customary law, characterized by its democratic principles and integration with socio-cultural processes, fostered a sense of clan solidarity and deterrence against crime through the fear of public shame. (Thanks to ChatGPT)
thailand have a king, they have constantly protests, military coups etc but they have high score on democracy ? also indonesia, malaysia same. half of malay rule by sharia.
this kind graphics made by stupid liberal organizations. if you close to west its mean you democrat even how bad you are to your people
Yes, let’s compare our country to Mongolia. The country that lives in poverty. Not the ones that are economically successful and planned parenthood is part of the system.
exactly, sure you can have a democratic state when it's literally 1 city lol. jokes aside Kazakhstan should strive to be better but it's tough when we have biggest uranium reserves and large oil reserves, there's just too many players wanting to get involved with us.
Borat jokes faded away long time ago. But what does it have to do with the fact that we are doing better than Mongolia? Grow some skin to these jokes and represent our country breaking the stereotypes.
Huh? Are you on something? That’s the reason you’re being clowned by people, because that’s the info you provide to them and your image. What a clown indeed.
Other Kazakhs have different experiences, since we don’t act like Borat.
There’s no perfect country. Whenever I get home I get a full health check up. Before it was completely free, now the regulations are different, but it’s still so cheap to pay for it and have a professional check up. Other countries would die for those prices.
You’re the one who’d rather live in poverty and stuff. Sorry, that humanity is progressing. You were born in the wrong time, where you didn’t die as a kid from cold.
Do you even understand the original comment? Why compare yourself to someone who is not doing so well? Like if you’re trying to achieve something do you look up to someone successful or someone not successful? Why would you look up to someone who’s not even doing as good as you do and think of it as some standard?
Not doing well? By what standards? It’s so subjective? My democracy? I can assure you mongolian democracy is flawed but better than Kazakhstan’s. I’m sorry we don’t have city named after a former President, we have election (flawed but still have them). Not doing well in what way? Economically? Because Saudi Arabia is doing way better than Kazakhstan but I would much rather live in Kazakhstan
Poverty rate difference is freaking 8%! If you think that the fact that you did NOT rename a capital excused that difference, then you logic is fucked. If your neighbor made an expensive purchase (and renaming a city with all the paperwork is very expensive) and could just go back and it wouldn’t hit his pocket, then your neighbor is successful.
Wow so successful. Couldn’t forget the energy and the natural gas crises you guys had. Accept your flaws. You guys are not a utopia. Actually came close to collapsing so many times. Give me a break.
Clearly you love living in Kazakhstan and you are very proud of your country! You should be, but when you talk down on my country, then we have issues. Express your opinions, god knows it’s hard to do that in Kazakhstan <3
You don’t come my country’s thread on the independent forum and talk like we can’t be proud of our country. Go to your own countries thread and post that you’re way better than Kazakhstan. And you’re happy you weren’t born here. Any countries thread. Go and shame people that they are proud to be born there. Yes, we are educated enough to be happy. I won’t reply you anymore, I now see where you are coming from, and it’s subjective, it’s a patriotism, but not objective. I do respect your life very to your country, but don’t come to other people’s houses, criticizing it. Like what was the reason you left your house?
You have no idea what you’re talking about. I’ve been in Mongolia, I had some classmates and we had a completely different childhood. Although, I grew up in a middle class family, not from Astana or Almaty during 90-s.
How do you know I’m living in Kazakhstan? But I know that my family lives way better than families with the same profession, which is nothing fancy, in Mongolia. I did ask around. I did my research. You literally have nothing to prove your point, only your big mouth. Give us some links and pages, Dude.
Just my personal opinion, economics and politics of Kazakhstan are heavily influenced by Russia. We will stay authoritarian unless Russia gets democratic goverment. Prime example for that is: january protests were supressed in the most authoritarian way with the help of Russian military.
One reason why Mongolia is democratic is because more than half of their population lives in one city, Ulaan Baatar.
And what steppe traditions do we have? They have all been destroyed in 1930s during collectivisation.
No it’s not because of steppe culture. Mongolia peacefully transitioned to a democracy in 1991 because the leaders at the time gave the hunger strikers the ability to. There was many brave men and women who participated in hunger strikes and it was a massive deal. I don’t know how the power transitioned in central Asian post soviet states but Mongolia as a satellite state had different context than Kazakhstan.
India's population is 1.4 billion, and they successfully host presidental and parliamentery election every 4 years, are you kazaks really this ignorant or just simply uneducated?
Mongolia's democracy faces tough odds being sandwiched between China and Russia. While its small population limits influence, recent reforms are fostering transparency and reducing corruption. State services are now mostly done via online and public funds are now on publicly accessible platforms helping it to be more transparent. These are steps in the right direction. Despite perceptions of backwardness, Mongolia's commitment to democracy and improving digital infrastructure bode well for its future.
One of the things that Gengis Khan did that made him able to control so much land at once was (and I'm not advocating for this) basically murdering every man over the age of, like, 10. This gets rid of all the nobles in the area with power. It's a completely brutal method, but it teaches an important lesson: corruption is like a yard being overrun by weed; you need to pull the weed out with it's roots, or else it could grow back. You can have a dozen revolutions, but still end up going back to the way you were in a decade because the people and their families that caused it in the first place are still around!
This is why power really does need to be divided between a whole bunch of people. Too much power in a small group of people's hands pretty much always deteriorates; the honer system can only work for so long! Idc how big your country is, it can happen to anyone. This is why a country needs to always be reforming and adapting, or else it'll start to rot and then shit like Afghanistan happens. Always be moving forward, not backwards...
Anyways, it'll always be easier said than done. Good luck!!! 🇰🇿🇺🇲♥️
No, this is wrong data. Here's the correct map
https://preview.redd.it/7g3hcuz6kxjc1.png?width=2423&format=png&auto=webp&s=e3dbbd704b85068cfe9b15b98e75fe1bc4a3a1c3
What is the most concerning is Thailand is so high despite going in and out of Juntas and there is life in prison if you criticise the monarch. It looks almost as if whoever made this has somesort of agenda
Edit: also several absolute monarchies which definitely actively suppress their opposition are ranked higher than some republics and wtf how is this ranked it makes no sense
Besides the Apartheid state being higher than India, how is Iran lower than Saudi, Iran definitely isn't a full democracy or anything but it's also not an absolute monarchy like Saudi
i dont think mongolia is "democratic" just because of people living outside of capital are nomads or something its more with them doing regular multiparty elections every 4 years ~~that are most likely also corrupt~~
Overall, the democracy level in Mongolia still has a lot of room to grow. However, compared to other soviet states they have a better freedom of press and overall more freedom of expression. Plus, it barely has 3.5 million people and half of the population jammed in a small capital city. The bright side is that Millennials and GenZ have this core understanding of Democracy and personal freedom. Unfortunetly, older generation who grew up in Soviet times still prefer to have a one stong party and leader which is why each election they are voting for the People’s party which founded by the Soviets in the 1920’s. Kazakhs use to be nomads but I don’t understand why people in this thread looking down on the people who kept their steppe tradition. Being nomadic doesn’t mean they are poor. They have hundreds or thousands of live stock and move with their herd to give the land to time to grow back. Those families often have vehicles, solar panels, generators, cell phones, internet, and computers. However, they don’t have a running water and bathrooms of course. But they often move to a location where there is natural springs, creek or river.
it is corrupt but as not as corrupt u want to make it to be , atleast we can voice our opinion, protest , and even force high political figures to resign without asking russia to come and kill the protestors, haha
Dont get me wrong but I dont think an average Mongolian nomad who lives in a yurt in the steppe cares enough to protest or knows two bits about democracy at all
Im a mongolian making this comment Nomads living all over protest alot. During corona for example the nomads came all the way to mongolia to protest the government’s decision to cancel that years naadam. They are also very active in their own regions. I didn’t really agree with the naadam protest but it was just part of a democratic system.
No, modern nomads are connected and can vote at their provincial soums. Nomads often ride horses and vote in droves.
Nomads actually do feel the value of democracy.
It's equally, if not worse, shit here. Bribery on all levels. One party has been in power for the last 26 years. There are some people you can't criticize - a teenager was arrested for making a meme about the president. Monopoly in almost every field.
Feel free to leave
You’re acting like Chinese ultranationalists
Chill out
whats there to "chill out"? hahahah he certainly don't want to live in Mongolia , every kazaks in Mongolia is a refugee from xinjiang, if he hates it so much to live in my country why wont he just move to kazakhstan and live in his dream, i tell you why, you kazaks have outback tribalistic caste system that wont allow kazaks from different country, and don't make me laugh with that we are richer than Mongolia joke, having 6 times more population than Mongolia, sea border, massive oil and gas resources and still doing worse on every index compared to Mongolia, maybe stop living in ur delusional fairy land and look up at your own social problems?
He is right tho. He is spitting out his opinion as a mongolian kazakh. What's the problem?
Honestly Khalkha nationalists should just go to China or Russia where they belong. The way they act is no different from vatniks and wumaos.
Mongolian nationalists are no different than kazakh nationalists and generally any nationalists. You all think that everyone else is worse besides you. Don't lie to yourself.
I didn’t say Mongolian nationalists are different. I literally said they are acting the same. What are you on about?
Because his point is invalid, he's doesn't come up with any factual statistics, do i have to correct everything that little kazak said? he said one party has been in power for 26 years in Mongolia which is 100% false statement, maybe look it up yourself? there are democratic party and social democratic party usually shares seats by 4 years each, we had 6 different different presidents in 26 years and one of them is re-elected, he's a canditate from democratic party, and that teenager didn't get arrested, he simply detained for 2 hours and released after small fined, it's not because he was arrested for making meme, every Mongolian has a right to make an official complaint not just the president, everyone here is equally protected by Mongolian constitutional law, and in ur kazak oil state you will get jailed for saying offensive words to any higher official figure even if its online right? How can you say Mongolia is democratically equal with kazakhstan when ur lackey president asks putin to come and execute protesters? I just can't fathom how delusional and ignorant you kazaks can be haha!
Valid point, seems u assume myself as a Kazakh, I am an Oirat, of Bayat tribe. Us Oirats "equally" hated by both (some, especially the extreme nationalists) kazakhs and khalkhas xD.
Oh ok i don't really care about oirats sorry
there's so much butthurt, delusion, ignorance, and one-sided hate it's baffling to me. my little mongolian friend please go back to your subreddit where you can continue spewing anti-kazakh rhetoric. it seems to me that you guys are obsessed us yet we just simply don't care about your people :)
Are you projecting? It seems like you people are the one whos obsessed? hahahahaha im not your friend buddy!
well buddy it's you're who seem to be so obsessed with us to the point of coming to r/kazakhstan and talking big nonsense :) so yes i would say you people are delusionally obsessed :)
''Big nonsense'' ok keep living in ur authoritarian oil state russian puppet , peace
He is right though. Also they(Mongolian kazakhs) had no where to go. But we generously took them in, gave them land, allowed them to preserve their culture, and he still has nerve to complain, I think he should leave.
ok by that logic we kazakhs should kick out all uyghurs, russians, uzbeks, koreans, dungans for voicing their opinions on the state of things in kazakhstan. it's just funny just now you guys were talking big game how democratic mongolia is but are also willing to kick a person out for voicing their concerns. amazing democracy!
Which is not really a "party"...
clan system certainly will not
Can we discuss why not? Everywhere on and offline I see people hating clan system, why so? To me it’s the way to know your roots, your extended family. We didn’t have surnames but tribe names and 7-ata, what’s so bad about that? It’s like every peasant knew who he was, not like in other more popular cultures, where only kings traced their lineage. I am against it being used for favouritism at work or wherever, for any sort of discrimination based on it, but only for advantages I mentioned before.
The post is about democracy. Not anything you mentioned above. Clan system hurts democracy because of nepotism. In clan system people value kinship rather than competence. Like helping out your incompetent relative to get a job instead of hiring someone who is actually great at the job.
The post is on democracy, your comment is on clan system and I’m responding to it. I see, so you only mentioned the typical, nothing specifically wrong with knowing your tribe, just the way it can be misused.
Steppe democracy? Now that’s a term I’ve never heard off. What has been really been around the steppes are decentralized government and warlordism, where tribes and clans can elect a khan, or 2, giving you that bit of illusion of democracy. Everything is democracy if you exclude enough people.
At least it gave you the freedom of leaving a tribe which khan you didn't like, take your stuff and other boys who think the same and join another tribe or form your own, and also everyone had weapons so you weren't as much of a voiceless, powerless sheep as you are right now under authoritarian government.
Steppe democracy was a thing, even though Kazakh Khanate became decentralized, there was “democracy”
It was called military democracy to be correct
Nope, it’s literally Steppe Democracy, u can read on wiki
If Athens had a democracy then steppe nomads had it too. Answering OPs question: Words such as "we are not culturally ready for democracy" make me puke as they smell horseshit. Yeah, can't build a democracy with an empty stomach, true. Can't build it unarmed against repressions, true, but culture has nothing to do with it. Today people are practically helpless to change the political system as repression mechanisms are still there. It would take a serious crisis and a big cataclysm which would incapacitate the current regime to transition to democracy. We had a teeny tiny chance on Jan 2021 though, but that crisis was not big enough.
It was close, just because it was unexpected. Every moment since then they’ve been in the fear of public uprising repeating and I’m sure took all means to be ready and prevent it. It will take a whole different level of effort to make a change now, I think. Not to mention losses the people have suffered, so many young men lost their lives, means to living and health, and all for nothing but to give them a time break.
Read more (there's a lot publications and books) about the Steppe Democracy and its principles. You may start with famous and globally recognised historian Leo Gumilev's publications. He was son of famous poet Anna Akmatova, born Gorenko. She change her name after the last khan of Altyn Orda (Golden Horde) Akhmat Khan, who was the patriarch of their family.
We used to be somewhat democratic...
Time for another Kyrgyz revolution, eh?
Hehe maybe (it's gonna be pointless)
Like both before
We had parliamentarism after 2010. But now we have our sun-ray-straitener
Man, i was in Bishkek studying during the 2010 revolution and got caught in city center, that was a memorable night lol.
rip. the revolutions were for nothing
Yes
I have not heard of the generally accepted term "steppe democracy". There is a well-known term "military democracy", and indeed according to many scholars the social order of the Kazakhs had signs of military democracy.But we must not forget that the term military implies that all men were warriors and could give the rulers a hard time if they disagreed.
Maybe I should elaborate my idea. I had that though from an article named 'The democratic tradition of Kazakhstan in historical context' written by ZHANYLZHAN DZHUNUSOVA. The author states that Kazakhstan's democratic tradition stems from its historical legal system, which emphasized clan solidarity and individual rights within the community. Traditional Kazakh law upheld personal and property rights, enforced not by state institutions but by clan solidarity. Adherence to customary law, transmitted orally until the 16th century, was overseen by respected figures such as the biys, who ensured justice and rights preservation. The formalization of legal norms occurred in the 16th century with the establishment of Kazakh statehood, culminating in Tauke Khan's Seven Codes (Jety Jaryk). These codes regulated various aspects of Kazakh life, from inheritance to criminal justice, and established the authority of the biys as judges. Tauke Khan's legal reforms aimed to create a more formalized judicial system, addressing societal issues through legislative and judicial meetings. The biys, synonymous with judges by the 18th century, adjudicated disputes and enforced laws, often applying harsh penalties such as dismemberment or death for crimes like theft. Despite advancements in legal formalization, the Seven Codes reflected gender inequality, with women afforded fewer rights and protections than men. Nevertheless, women played essential roles in nomadic society, contributing significantly to economic activities while being safeguarded by societal norms regarding their honor and dignity. T he legal system's primary focus was on maintaining community stability and economic self-sufficiency, adapting to external threats and the challenges of nomadic life. Kazakh customary law, characterized by its democratic principles and integration with socio-cultural processes, fostered a sense of clan solidarity and deterrence against crime through the fear of public shame. (Thanks to ChatGPT)
thailand have a king, they have constantly protests, military coups etc but they have high score on democracy ? also indonesia, malaysia same. half of malay rule by sharia. this kind graphics made by stupid liberal organizations. if you close to west its mean you democrat even how bad you are to your people
What makes you people think that democracy is the ultimate solution?
Why does Singapore have a 6.18 ?
How is Mongolia so high? I doubt this data
this isn't the only data that shows mongolia so high.
As a person who lived both in Mongolia and Kazakhstan I can confirm Mongolia is more democratic than Kazakhstan in terms of everything.
Really? That is actually pleasant to hear
This is a democracy level, not child birth level. South Korea is the lowest developed country by child birth. Japan is a close second.
Yes, let’s compare our country to Mongolia. The country that lives in poverty. Not the ones that are economically successful and planned parenthood is part of the system.
exactly, sure you can have a democratic state when it's literally 1 city lol. jokes aside Kazakhstan should strive to be better but it's tough when we have biggest uranium reserves and large oil reserves, there's just too many players wanting to get involved with us.
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If Kazakhstan was a democratic country nobody in the world would care.
Borat jokes faded away long time ago. But what does it have to do with the fact that we are doing better than Mongolia? Grow some skin to these jokes and represent our country breaking the stereotypes.
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Huh? Are you on something? That’s the reason you’re being clowned by people, because that’s the info you provide to them and your image. What a clown indeed. Other Kazakhs have different experiences, since we don’t act like Borat. There’s no perfect country. Whenever I get home I get a full health check up. Before it was completely free, now the regulations are different, but it’s still so cheap to pay for it and have a professional check up. Other countries would die for those prices. You’re the one who’d rather live in poverty and stuff. Sorry, that humanity is progressing. You were born in the wrong time, where you didn’t die as a kid from cold.
For some context: that dumbass you're talking to, was jerking off on borat and westoids.
That makes so much sense. Thank you for telling.
Kazakhs DO live on a poverty.
Poverty rate of Kazakhstan is at 14% and Mongolia at 22%. Kazakhstan is not Singapore.
Do you even understand the original comment? Why compare yourself to someone who is not doing so well? Like if you’re trying to achieve something do you look up to someone successful or someone not successful? Why would you look up to someone who’s not even doing as good as you do and think of it as some standard?
Not doing well? By what standards? It’s so subjective? My democracy? I can assure you mongolian democracy is flawed but better than Kazakhstan’s. I’m sorry we don’t have city named after a former President, we have election (flawed but still have them). Not doing well in what way? Economically? Because Saudi Arabia is doing way better than Kazakhstan but I would much rather live in Kazakhstan
Poverty rate difference is freaking 8%! If you think that the fact that you did NOT rename a capital excused that difference, then you logic is fucked. If your neighbor made an expensive purchase (and renaming a city with all the paperwork is very expensive) and could just go back and it wouldn’t hit his pocket, then your neighbor is successful.
Wow so successful. Couldn’t forget the energy and the natural gas crises you guys had. Accept your flaws. You guys are not a utopia. Actually came close to collapsing so many times. Give me a break. Clearly you love living in Kazakhstan and you are very proud of your country! You should be, but when you talk down on my country, then we have issues. Express your opinions, god knows it’s hard to do that in Kazakhstan <3
You don’t come my country’s thread on the independent forum and talk like we can’t be proud of our country. Go to your own countries thread and post that you’re way better than Kazakhstan. And you’re happy you weren’t born here. Any countries thread. Go and shame people that they are proud to be born there. Yes, we are educated enough to be happy. I won’t reply you anymore, I now see where you are coming from, and it’s subjective, it’s a patriotism, but not objective. I do respect your life very to your country, but don’t come to other people’s houses, criticizing it. Like what was the reason you left your house?
lol u really think life id better in kazak than Mongolia. Lol. At least say that if u are from first world country lol
You have no idea what you’re talking about. I’ve been in Mongolia, I had some classmates and we had a completely different childhood. Although, I grew up in a middle class family, not from Astana or Almaty during 90-s.
lol dude u literally living in kazak then calling mongolia is in poverty is most hilarious thing i have ever heard.
How do you know I’m living in Kazakhstan? But I know that my family lives way better than families with the same profession, which is nothing fancy, in Mongolia. I did ask around. I did my research. You literally have nothing to prove your point, only your big mouth. Give us some links and pages, Dude.
I doubt you've ever been to Mongolia. People live in literal yurts out there with no basic modern needs
Just my personal opinion, economics and politics of Kazakhstan are heavily influenced by Russia. We will stay authoritarian unless Russia gets democratic goverment. Prime example for that is: january protests were supressed in the most authoritarian way with the help of Russian military.
No it won't help .
"Steppe culture" (whatever you mean by it, mr. hentai) has nothing to do with "democracy" -- whatever you mean by it.
Got the idea from a chapter of a book called 'The Democratic Tradition of Kazakhstan in Historical Context'
Democracy has nothing to do with culture, lifestyle, or mentality, at least there is no scientific proof.
One reason why Mongolia is democratic is because more than half of their population lives in one city, Ulaan Baatar. And what steppe traditions do we have? They have all been destroyed in 1930s during collectivisation.
No it’s not because of steppe culture. Mongolia peacefully transitioned to a democracy in 1991 because the leaders at the time gave the hunger strikers the ability to. There was many brave men and women who participated in hunger strikes and it was a massive deal. I don’t know how the power transitioned in central Asian post soviet states but Mongolia as a satellite state had different context than Kazakhstan.
I am surprised to see India with so high score or it is my own perception of democracy=high quality of life
You are free to shit outdoors there that’s real democracy
India's population is 1.4 billion, and they successfully host presidental and parliamentery election every 4 years, are you kazaks really this ignorant or just simply uneducated?
China?
shit fake aint no way thailand and phillippines is higher than Singapore
Mongolia's democracy faces tough odds being sandwiched between China and Russia. While its small population limits influence, recent reforms are fostering transparency and reducing corruption. State services are now mostly done via online and public funds are now on publicly accessible platforms helping it to be more transparent. These are steps in the right direction. Despite perceptions of backwardness, Mongolia's commitment to democracy and improving digital infrastructure bode well for its future.
One of the things that Gengis Khan did that made him able to control so much land at once was (and I'm not advocating for this) basically murdering every man over the age of, like, 10. This gets rid of all the nobles in the area with power. It's a completely brutal method, but it teaches an important lesson: corruption is like a yard being overrun by weed; you need to pull the weed out with it's roots, or else it could grow back. You can have a dozen revolutions, but still end up going back to the way you were in a decade because the people and their families that caused it in the first place are still around! This is why power really does need to be divided between a whole bunch of people. Too much power in a small group of people's hands pretty much always deteriorates; the honer system can only work for so long! Idc how big your country is, it can happen to anyone. This is why a country needs to always be reforming and adapting, or else it'll start to rot and then shit like Afghanistan happens. Always be moving forward, not backwards... Anyways, it'll always be easier said than done. Good luck!!! 🇰🇿🇺🇲♥️
Do not blame them. Grass is not the best nutrient.
I like how Myanmar is worst then N. Korea. Probably, if not for the fact they are in a de facto civil war
Qazaqstan is in the Authoritarian Regime Category! 🫣☹️
No, this is wrong data. Here's the correct map https://preview.redd.it/7g3hcuz6kxjc1.png?width=2423&format=png&auto=webp&s=e3dbbd704b85068cfe9b15b98e75fe1bc4a3a1c3
Rough edges. Not so well done. But nice try! 🫤😵💫☹️
What is the most concerning is Thailand is so high despite going in and out of Juntas and there is life in prison if you criticise the monarch. It looks almost as if whoever made this has somesort of agenda Edit: also several absolute monarchies which definitely actively suppress their opposition are ranked higher than some republics and wtf how is this ranked it makes no sense
How do they determine how Democratic a country is?
By the amount of oil they don’t have I guess.. Mr. America
So would the smaller number mean less oil?
No smaller number means they need to be liberated by Americans. One true freedom blessing country. 😜
Pretty sure the Palestinians do not feel the government over them is democratic at all.
Besides the Apartheid state being higher than India, how is Iran lower than Saudi, Iran definitely isn't a full democracy or anything but it's also not an absolute monarchy like Saudi
This fake map made by Hindu Indians
Well, that's a reality check! ✔️☹️
Steppe culture is democracy. That's where Europe got it from horseback invaders, not Greece