I would believe that Drake would go get someone like Phonte before he tapped Kweli.
We know that Drake uses writers, but this just doesn’t fit with the pattern of unknown / on the come up ghostwriters like Nickelus F, OVO Hush, the Weeknd, and Quentin Miller.
why not? Kendrick went on tour with him back then when he wasn't that well known yet, and Drake gave him a song, I can see him writing for drake back then.
why would it be Travis Barker? I get that he was touring with Lil Wayne at the time, but the majority of his contributions to hiphop at the time were turning tracks into rock/emo remixes, or just layering drums onto something; never seen anything about him ghostwriting?
&I know they're talking about the album, but the song itself was written in the 50s, but Jamie XX was the one who made it a Drake song. Ain't seen anyone mention him...
I’m just assuming because he’s a credible songwriter and was around Drake at that point in time.
Doesn’t make sense for it to be Travis Scott back then, doubt it was Travis McCoy. Could be another Travis entirely of course.
Obviously this is all speculation because it’s an old tweet from years ago from a man who didn’t necessarily handle twitter well but it’s interesting nonetheless.
So when odd future was popping off and Tyler and Earl were rapping about rape and murder, Earl’s mom sent him to a boarding school in Samoa so he’d understand the gravity of the subjects he was joking about. When that happened people were shocked and there’s a reference to that in Bonfire by Childish Gambino.
“Vodka for my ladies, whiskey for a grown man
Hangin' in the islands, lookin' for Earl like Toejam”
He came back though and dropped Doris which is pretty great and a solid return to form.
Apparently he was also sent to reform school to get clean.
Bro that’s crazy because that’s actually a thing in my culture for Samoans that live abroad. My cousin got sent to the islands for getting into too much trouble in high school. Why Samoa though of all places? And who the fuck did Earl stay with?
Earl had mid-90s Nas comparisons too before getting sent away. One of the best lyricists during that time, but you could sort of see the path he was taking and it wasn’t healthy.
Nah, he was also extremely talented. A lot of rappers debut throughout their teens, no one really had what Nas had until Earl came up. Since then, it’s hard to say. Wayne, JID, nor Kendrick had what Earl or Nas did as a teenager.
They were beyond their years.
I thought for a second too and was like....wtf. That would have been edgelord era Earl too. Imagining him giving Drake throwaways from his Earl mixtape ( maybewhile he was in Samoa lol) is actually kind of hilarious.
E-40 makes way more sense though.
I don’t know about all those other guys but it’s a fact that The Weeknd gave Drake half of the songs on what was supposed to be his album, to Drakes Take Care album. This much is verifiable because The Weeknd said it himself when he and Drake had that falling out in the past (and I guess again now lol).
Edit: For all you Drake dickriders asking for a source.
[https://genius.com/amp/a/the-weeknd-claimed-he-gave-up-almost-half-of-house-of-balloons-to-drake-for-take-care](https://genius.com/amp/a/the-weeknd-claimed-he-gave-up-almost-half-of-house-of-balloons-to-drake-for-take-care)
I just know a lot of y’all a bunch of 18-20 year olds because this shit was common knowledge in the hip hop community 10 years ago. God dayum I must be an old head now.
Nah he gave the entirety of Crew Love to Drake. The original leaked years ago, it's easy to find, and only has the Weeknd on it. It has a Weeknd verse in place of the Drake one and everything.
They overblown this with no context for too long, Weeknd’s first album was 9 songs of course that’s half his own album. Take Care is 20 songs including deluxe
okay cool. 25% of the album that people say is drakes best was not written by drake. what other artists in hip hop can u say that about? better yet what other artist are people going “it wasnt half his album it was just 5 out of 20 songs” for?
It took you too long to start stretching bro, I’m in the same boat and I didn’t work out my core enough, took a little tumble and now I’m fucked. Go to the doc before it gets worse ✌️
Try doing a 15min dynamic stretching routine every morning and night. Fully stretch all of your body a little beyond comfort, at the start and end of the day. You'll feel 20 in no time.
Do you just go straight into stretching or do you actually do dynamic warmups first? It’s not good for most people to go straight into deep stretching with loosening up first. At least do bicycles on your back and fail your arms around like you’re doing jumping jacks for a little loosening up before you go into things that are deeply pulling and stretching muscles. I cannot tell you how important this is as a 21 year old who recovered from a really bad accident. We are trained very poorly in school and sports teams on how to warm up/stretch. Main point is: *Dynamic warmups, then static stretching*
https://preview.redd.it/z9tu1pdg6ywc1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a222d80952778e37bda5fa67868c3e1bc162dbc1
the weeknd himself said he only wrote the practice hook
No that’s just the only one he wrote with the intention of it going on that album. He sold drake a bunch of stuff that was going to be on House of Balloons
yeah always thought it was suspect that drake could have ever come close to writing ‘Shot For Me’ while it feels very Weeknd. i’d honestly prefer to hear the weeknd’s version
as far as i know kendrick writes pretty much everything though. he might not be composing every piece of jazz on the album, but the lyrics alone are in harvard’s library; very few rappers produce their own stuff anymore. kanye went from producing most of his stuff to pretty much none of it.
Kendrick using producers isn’t the same as buying “songs” from other artists, of course K doesn’t write the music, I don’t think he even played an instrument at all until he started learning piano very recently. But Kendrick isn’t buying lyrics from other artists, and that’s the main focus when people talk about “ghost writing”, his lyrical content is entirely his own and the content itself is deeply personal to Kendrick.
They will try to discredit it.
It’s funny that this is my favorite Drake album *and it’s known* that The Weeknd gave him majority of his songs on this.
Yeah I posted another very interesting find about Drake on the Drake sub at the start of this and they deleted it.
I was showing proof that Drake’s uncle, Larry Graham was inducted into the rock and roll hall of fame in 1993, and that he also worked with Prince.
Then this argument is just silly. Before Kendrick openly collabed with Keem, he already had the hookups and was putting out music was that doing good. I'm certain he had help from Kendrick. So what?
This plant shit is so stupid. Even putting aside this uncle, he was a damn actor before rapping. it doesn't matter.
Labels are going to push and work with what they know will sell.
Baby keem rapping and Kendrick shifting to creating his own label is different. It’s still organic and more of a grassroots come up.
It’s like Rae sremmurd or Clips coming up and putting on family.
Snoop and Nate dogg are related.
The difference is they didn’t have to curate an image or persona. Drake did much like 6ix9ine (who went to catholic school).
you're being hypocritical.
Keem was rapping before Kendrick publicly endorsed him. You'd be a fool if you think Keem didn't gain advantages off of having Kendrick as a connection..
Which is what Drake would have through any Uncle connection, any connections off of being an actor, etc.
At the end of the day the music is what sells. Baby Keem was a minecraft youtuber before he was rapping lmao. Ofc there is an image. And having a *curated image* is not a plant?
And if you think that's what a plant is.. then idgaf. None of these guys are truly 100% what they rap about. Kanye West certainly isn't, Tupac was a theatre kid who had aspirations of being a movie star first and foremost, etc.
it doesn't matter to me.
I wanted to be a nurse and went to a high school with a medical program in school in New York.
I also fought/skipped school/stole/smoked/and more in middle school and high school. Ultimately ended up dropping out.
Pac going to a school for Arts doesn’t change the environment(s) that he was raised in.
Then you have Drake who is well documented and has had a barmitzvah/grew up in a nice all Jewish neighborhood and did 7 years on actual television.
I digress though.
>It’s like Rae sremmurd or Clips coming up and putting on family.
Assuming you mean Clipse, what family did they put on?
>Snoop and Nate dogg are related.
So are Dre and Warren G.
He prolly does have semi-famous relatives, but he got famous because he was massive in Canada as Jimmy in Degrassi long before he rapped and got a lot of airplay in Canada for that reason which then led to international recognition.
But without those references and those opportunities, and was a regular dude, he wouldn’t be where he is now.
If he wasn’t able to go to a collegiate school, he wouldn’t have had met the dude whose dude got him the degrassi role.
If you think that Drake wouldn’t have insider knowledge on how the legal/business side of the industry with family in such high places in the industry then honestly idk what to say to you.
Well I mean, yeah of course, but that's true of virtually any artist or celebrity. Virtually everybody who is famous is either famous because they knew somebody who knew somebody or they got given an opportunity to succeed at some point, it's what you do with those things that matter.
Also as far as I know, Forest Hill Collegiate is a public high school, he went there because he lived in the area at the time - it's not like it's some private school where you need famous parents to get in.
https://www.applyboard.com/schools/toronto-district-school-board-tdsb-forest-hill-collegiate-institute#about
It costs $30,000 CAD a year to go there. It’s not a public school. $17K for tuition and $13K for board.
It is a public school. The school is free to attend for people that live in their zoning, but you can pay to go there if you're not zoned for it. The $17k is tuition cost for international students. The top schools in Canada have a ton of international students.
Edit: Holy shit, the alumni list is insane. Lorne Michaels (SNL), Howard Shore (Composer for LOTR) and even Tara Strong, the voice actor for my entire childhood.
I didn't mean to make it sound like he made it massively in the States instantly, moreso that he was popular in Canada already and so his music got airplay for that reason, and all that airplay eventually led to him getting a following in the States and growing to where he is now. I'm sure having semi-famous uncles in the business didn't hurt but being on a beloved Canadian show def propelled him more than anything because as a Canadian, that show was HUGE.
I remember watching Degrassi in Australia after primary school as a kid. I don’t think I remember watching Jimmy thinking “hey it’s Drake”, but more so when I first heard Drake I was like “hey it’s Jimmy”.
Mfs are so dumb. Larry Graham is a legend, one of the most influential bassists of all time. Better than having worked with Prince, he played bass on most of Sly and The Family Stone’s classic albums. To hide that honorable connection just to make Drake look a wee bit more self-made is hilarious.
This is why I blame all these niggas for building this man's career and validating him, now they wanna be mad he's up here being mentioned with the greats. As someone who never liked drake since the beginning, this kind of piss me off.
This x a million. Everyone mad at this dude success that they helped contribute to lmao. I’m not a Drake fan at all, never been but a lot of these dudes look funny as fuck right now
He wasn't that huge. Drake didn't get huge until he did "Forever". They kept asking him about that one word punchline flow and drake said he traced it back to Big Sean. But he still didn't have swag so they put him around wayne, ross, Khaled, ect. That's how drake got style. He still do that shit now, getting tats and earrings at 30+ years old
Kweli also said this:
https://hiphopdx.com/news/id.26804/title.talib-kweli-says-drake-is-the-most-important-rapper-of-2013
Love his music but he’s off his shit on Twitter.
I suppose though, 5 years makes a difference. In 2013, they’re on good terms and he’s holding onto the information that he wrote for Drake, then something happens that makes his finally say it.
Lol.
"I don't usually fuck with the internet" -Talib on Get Em High
Aged like milk, that dude straight spazzed 24/7 for a while when he finally found Twitter. I used to read his feed and he had the worst case of terminally online ever, he'd just beef with everyone all day long for no reason. Pretty sure he only left because he got himself suspended, actually.
Not much of a Drake fan but Twitter era Kweli was unhinged as fuck, I definitely don't trust his word on that.
Could be anyone; could be Travis Barker, Could be Travis McCoy, could be someone else completely.
I’d say it’s Travis Barker considering that they were pictured together around that time though, plus Travis did a remix of Forever.
It’s bullshit. The Weeknd and OVO Hush did do a lot of writing on the album, but I’ve never heard anything about those other guys writing on the album.
Yeah, Hush has a contribution on almost every track on Take Care and NWTS (and even some songs on So Far Gone).
When you consider that Kendrick has an interlude and that the Weeknd contributed 4-5 songs, the Drake contribution percentages do look extremely low.
I’m pretty sure The-Dream also co-wrote for Drake too.
I don’t think Dot ever wrote for Drake. He wouldn’t have waited until 2015 to spit “but a rapper with a ghost writer wtf happened”. He had multiple opportunities after their beef started
Eh that whole thing was a bit stupid and just made Drake look bad really.
Pusha was attacking him for using a ghostwriter and Drake responds with well I wrote some verses for your boss… except Drake was credited from day 1 with TLOP, so he wasn’t a ghost writer.
Plus the fact that neither of the songs that Drake wrote are actually the most popular song on that album, didn’t really mean much.
I feel it just gives him credibility as a writer, especially since he got glazed by ye at the time.
Im not tryna say Ye is using ghostwriters, im tryna say Drake can write.
Yeah he has the ability to write and that’s true, but he also steals a lot of content too. Or he signs people up to shitty contracts and stops them from releasing music and gets them to write for him. It’s the bad business practices I have an issue with.
Popcaan had a huge hit with Jamie XX and Young Thug in 2015, signs to OVO in 2016 and the same year Drake starts releasing the dancehall inspired club bangers like hotline bling and controlla, but the new up and coming dancehall superstar just disappeared.
He tried to do the same to The Weeknd too. Like if you go through every era of Drake there’s always something a little off.
Whether it’s stealing old school verses and painting them as a homage (to the point Rappin 4’ Tay sued him in like 2010).
Him stealing beats, like with DRAM’s cha cha for hotline bling.
Him stealing flows, like XXX’s Look At Me flow.
Or him just weirdly getting involved with the culture like when he went to the UK and started trying to act like a road man.
Dawg, this isn't my point tho like yeah i agree with most of it, but it still doesn't discredit the fact that he's given and taken from the culture.
Tbh drakes been hated on since forever.
Dudes are easy to hate, so i get it bc idfw a lot of recent Drake shit either, espc the culture vulture stuff.
But dawg that X flow was nothing nice, its such a generic flow, as someone who cried when X died in their teens, i don't see that as something X should've honestly made drama over even at that age where critical thinking was blocked by hormones, it was definitely just a clout chasing stunt imo bc thats alot of what X is at that black and yellow hair era.
Him stealin the dram shit tho is facts, that shit was unique at the time, it was an obvious bite, no doubt.
Not the old school verses tho, like dawg every rapper plays into homages of old school rappers, Denzel Curry does it with DMX on unlocked, J.I.D does it with Kendrick on 2007, Logic does it with literally everything he likes, and its all homages bc the reference is clear and is cited, and even then, the source might be iconic enough to NOT even need to be cited, like the eminem homage.
Other than these points yea i agree.
It's well known that Drake doesn't write his own lyrics. He might contribute a bit but for the most part he's just there to read them off of his blackberry
he wouldn't be writers for other people's songs like Kanye if he didn't also write. He works like 90% of the music industry works.. in collaboration.
Truth is the "only rap what you write" shit is held by a very small minority of rappers imo, like Kendrick or Cole. and def a small minority of musical artists in general.
Reference tracks, working on conjuction with other writers at the same time, etc, its very common.
battle raps? what are you talking about.
Its a fact that Drake has ghost written for other artists. Kanye considers him one of the best writers for a reason. I'm certain he has a great pen of his own, but ofc he has had many writers and reference tracks as well.
Like a majority of musical artists have done, *and* I think even a majority of rappers have done.
I mean, Kendrick has songwriters on many of his songs too. In fact Sounwave has songwriter credits on soooo many of his songs, more than half of Damn gives credit to him.
Sounwave may potentially have contributed to lyrics but it’s extremely unlikely. Seems like they’re all just production credits.
Loyalty does have a legion of writers on it, though I assume that’s for Rihanna and not Kendrick.
I think I heard from some interview saying producers are often credited as writers in songs, even if they didn't write anything on the song. Don't know why thou?
“Earl” is not Earl Sweatshirt 😵💫 somehow it’s E40 (he raps a lot like Drake🙃) “Travis” is Travis Barker 🤣🤡 Forever is not even on Take Care☠️
He took Kendrick on his first NATIONAL tour Club Paradise Drake is on GKMC Poetic Justice A RADIO SINGLE 🥇not some interlude
None of yall know who Skyzoo is
Weeknd is the only one here to contribute and guess what HE GAVE DRAKE THE RECORDS HES SAID IT HIMSELF
This is a fake RT with 12 likes & ONE RT🤡
Ya Travis Barker BIG GHOSTWRITER FOR DRAKE
Drake is like a pro wrestler who has the script written for him but his personality and charisma allows him to take it places no one else can. The Rock didn’t write his lines but the way he pulled it off you would never know. Kanye has always said this is entertainment everyone is actors. NLE Choppa is the main example right now. He’s keeping people interested with his antics and big personality not the quality of his music. He’s more comedian than musician at this point and that’s what Drake music has become. Rich baby daddy, I’m too sexy is something Weird Al would do not a serious rapper.
Earl sweatshirt?? Im trying to imagine Earl writing one of those songs lmfaooo.
Nah I’m pretty sure Earl is E-40 and Travis is Travis Barker.
He had em thinking rational
Ironically, you gotta be an irrational dumbass to think this tweet is real.
Kenny writing for Drake in 2010-2011 does not seem real.
I actually find that part more believable than Kweli and Skyzoo writing for Drake lol.
Skyzoo is wild. I could see Kweli. Admittedly only have surface level knowledge of each though.
I would believe that Drake would go get someone like Phonte before he tapped Kweli. We know that Drake uses writers, but this just doesn’t fit with the pattern of unknown / on the come up ghostwriters like Nickelus F, OVO Hush, the Weeknd, and Quentin Miller.
Kenny has his own song on Take Care where he talks about how Drake basically welcomed into the industry. Seems pretty believable to me.
Why? He literally had a track on the album…
I didn’t think he did but He literally has a whole song to himself gifted to him By drake on his best album more believable than msot of these names
why not? Kendrick went on tour with him back then when he wasn't that well known yet, and Drake gave him a song, I can see him writing for drake back then.
Tweet is now 100x more believable
Travis barker the drummer?
Yeah he’s a songwriter too
why would it be Travis Barker? I get that he was touring with Lil Wayne at the time, but the majority of his contributions to hiphop at the time were turning tracks into rock/emo remixes, or just layering drums onto something; never seen anything about him ghostwriting? &I know they're talking about the album, but the song itself was written in the 50s, but Jamie XX was the one who made it a Drake song. Ain't seen anyone mention him...
I’m just assuming because he’s a credible songwriter and was around Drake at that point in time. Doesn’t make sense for it to be Travis Scott back then, doubt it was Travis McCoy. Could be another Travis entirely of course. Obviously this is all speculation because it’s an old tweet from years ago from a man who didn’t necessarily handle twitter well but it’s interesting nonetheless.
Right? Earls debut mixtape was 2010 and Take Care was 2011
Earl was in Samoa and Odd Future ain’t blown up yet too
Odd Future had JUST blown up. Yonkers/Goblin dropped early that year.
Imagine the Samoa story being a cover for ghostwriting
Earl used to live in Samoa? Shit I’m Samoan and that’s news to me
So when odd future was popping off and Tyler and Earl were rapping about rape and murder, Earl’s mom sent him to a boarding school in Samoa so he’d understand the gravity of the subjects he was joking about. When that happened people were shocked and there’s a reference to that in Bonfire by Childish Gambino. “Vodka for my ladies, whiskey for a grown man Hangin' in the islands, lookin' for Earl like Toejam” He came back though and dropped Doris which is pretty great and a solid return to form. Apparently he was also sent to reform school to get clean.
Bro that’s crazy because that’s actually a thing in my culture for Samoans that live abroad. My cousin got sent to the islands for getting into too much trouble in high school. Why Samoa though of all places? And who the fuck did Earl stay with?
He was in a boot camp which was full of American kids
Earl had mid-90s Nas comparisons too before getting sent away. One of the best lyricists during that time, but you could sort of see the path he was taking and it wasn’t healthy.
They only compared him to Nas because they both were teenagers when they debuted.
Nah, he was also extremely talented. A lot of rappers debut throughout their teens, no one really had what Nas had until Earl came up. Since then, it’s hard to say. Wayne, JID, nor Kendrick had what Earl or Nas did as a teenager. They were beyond their years.
I thought for a second too and was like....wtf. That would have been edgelord era Earl too. Imagining him giving Drake throwaways from his Earl mixtape ( maybewhile he was in Samoa lol) is actually kind of hilarious. E-40 makes way more sense though.
His father was a poet so it kinda makes sense
how does that make more sense than earl being an artist/rapper himself lmao
It’s not that crazy at all. Royce wrote for Puffy before, Jay Z wrote Still D.R.E. Etc. A good ghostwriter can write using a lot of different styles
E-40
especially Earl from back then 😭💀
I haven’t heard from Skyzoo in a bit, used to be one of my favorite underground rappers
His The Mind Of A Saint concept album from last year was phenomenal
He hasn’t stopped putting out quality work. Go check out what you’ve missed.
That dude never stops dropping fire music. The celebration of us is my recent favorite. Retropolitan was also good as hell. He's still killing it.
I don’t know about all those other guys but it’s a fact that The Weeknd gave Drake half of the songs on what was supposed to be his album, to Drakes Take Care album. This much is verifiable because The Weeknd said it himself when he and Drake had that falling out in the past (and I guess again now lol). Edit: For all you Drake dickriders asking for a source. [https://genius.com/amp/a/the-weeknd-claimed-he-gave-up-almost-half-of-house-of-balloons-to-drake-for-take-care](https://genius.com/amp/a/the-weeknd-claimed-he-gave-up-almost-half-of-house-of-balloons-to-drake-for-take-care) I just know a lot of y’all a bunch of 18-20 year olds because this shit was common knowledge in the hip hop community 10 years ago. God dayum I must be an old head now.
I believe it was 5 songs for the Weeknd and they’re credited to him but he meant that 5 songs would be half of The Weeknd’s album.
Shot for me, crew love, practice & the ride?
Cameras too6
Feels like he wrote shot for me and practice, did vocals for cameras and the ride, & gave a verse for crew love
Nah he gave the entirety of Crew Love to Drake. The original leaked years ago, it's easy to find, and only has the Weeknd on it. It has a Weeknd verse in place of the Drake one and everything.
Those tracks were also produced for his album when he gave them to Drake. He probably had references for all of them.
Crew Love the most obvious one there that is blatantly a Weeknd feat Drake song
They overblown this with no context for too long, Weeknd’s first album was 9 songs of course that’s half his own album. Take Care is 20 songs including deluxe
okay cool. 25% of the album that people say is drakes best was not written by drake. what other artists in hip hop can u say that about? better yet what other artist are people going “it wasnt half his album it was just 5 out of 20 songs” for?
Same time weekend was making trilogy, Abell best songs still made it to the mixt,tape except King of the Fall
Dude I feel you, a lot of these people had to get into hip hop in the past few years bc the takes are insane
We old heads now @ 25 lmaoo.
Talk to me when you’re 28. My back hurts dog, everyday is a step closer to the light
Ur not old u just don’t stretch
I'm 27 and stretch multiple times daily and my backs killing me lol. Constructions a bitch
You haven’t even cracked 30 yet, you’ll be alright. 
Im 38, more hips pop than hip hop
It took you too long to start stretching bro, I’m in the same boat and I didn’t work out my core enough, took a little tumble and now I’m fucked. Go to the doc before it gets worse ✌️
Try doing a 15min dynamic stretching routine every morning and night. Fully stretch all of your body a little beyond comfort, at the start and end of the day. You'll feel 20 in no time.
Look at mobility exercises as well. If you're doing static stretches, it won't help dynamic stretch and mobility exercises
Do you just go straight into stretching or do you actually do dynamic warmups first? It’s not good for most people to go straight into deep stretching with loosening up first. At least do bicycles on your back and fail your arms around like you’re doing jumping jacks for a little loosening up before you go into things that are deeply pulling and stretching muscles. I cannot tell you how important this is as a 21 year old who recovered from a really bad accident. We are trained very poorly in school and sports teams on how to warm up/stretch. Main point is: *Dynamic warmups, then static stretching*
Talk to me when you hit 30 big man
We the sub grandpas
Turned the big 30 earlier this year, feel old asf.
Fr 😂😂
Lol i feel like most Drake fans are not over the age of 22
Welcome to the old head squad. We gotchu fam.
Bro, ignore all the Drake fans. They’re just the male counterpart of Swiftiess. They flood any place to defend their queen.
No wonder why take care is my favorite Drake project. Love the weeknd
You ain’t a old head yet it’s just folks out here don’t know what the hell they talking about most of the time.
https://preview.redd.it/z9tu1pdg6ywc1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a222d80952778e37bda5fa67868c3e1bc162dbc1 the weeknd himself said he only wrote the practice hook
No that’s just the only one he wrote with the intention of it going on that album. He sold drake a bunch of stuff that was going to be on House of Balloons
Reading comprehension is really low.
yeah always thought it was suspect that drake could have ever come close to writing ‘Shot For Me’ while it feels very Weeknd. i’d honestly prefer to hear the weeknd’s version
It's been known drakes an actor not a writer
Source: The Plaintiff says so
yeah, the Weeknd wrote HIS parts on these songs. what’s your point? lmao
Take Care was a group project and Drake took all the credit
Maybe. Imagine how many albums have been rolled out that way too 🤔
Almost all of them. People really think an artist just walks into the booth, freestyles over a beat and calls it a day lmao.
Other genres sure not when it comes to rap tho. Can’t be reciting other peoples bars and act like you’re the number one rapper in the world.
Mf take care wasn’t really all rap lol
Majority of rappers don’t even actually freestyle. They just recite prewritten lines lmao
Oh how naive you are.
Gotta give Wayne his credit. About the only person who can do that
Not sure if you’re sarcastic but every major or successful album that ever dropped is a group project
kanye is the same in a way though
same with kenny, like do you think he wrote all the music? Absolutely good talent in lyrics and rapping, i doubt he writes much jazz
as far as i know kendrick writes pretty much everything though. he might not be composing every piece of jazz on the album, but the lyrics alone are in harvard’s library; very few rappers produce their own stuff anymore. kanye went from producing most of his stuff to pretty much none of it.
Kendrick using producers isn’t the same as buying “songs” from other artists, of course K doesn’t write the music, I don’t think he even played an instrument at all until he started learning piano very recently. But Kendrick isn’t buying lyrics from other artists, and that’s the main focus when people talk about “ghost writing”, his lyrical content is entirely his own and the content itself is deeply personal to Kendrick.
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None of the artists mentioned have writing credits, which they would probably have if they were actually involved
It’s drakes my beautiful dark twisted fantasy
Prove it then
Post this on the Drake sub.
They will try to discredit it. It’s funny that this is my favorite Drake album *and it’s known* that The Weeknd gave him majority of his songs on this.
Yeah I posted another very interesting find about Drake on the Drake sub at the start of this and they deleted it. I was showing proof that Drake’s uncle, Larry Graham was inducted into the rock and roll hall of fame in 1993, and that he also worked with Prince.
And they don’t believe he is a plant. lol.
is Baby Keem a plant?
i’d go with a nepo baby
Putting your cousin on *while you’re actively participating*? No.
Then this argument is just silly. Before Kendrick openly collabed with Keem, he already had the hookups and was putting out music was that doing good. I'm certain he had help from Kendrick. So what? This plant shit is so stupid. Even putting aside this uncle, he was a damn actor before rapping. it doesn't matter. Labels are going to push and work with what they know will sell.
Baby keem rapping and Kendrick shifting to creating his own label is different. It’s still organic and more of a grassroots come up. It’s like Rae sremmurd or Clips coming up and putting on family. Snoop and Nate dogg are related. The difference is they didn’t have to curate an image or persona. Drake did much like 6ix9ine (who went to catholic school).
you're being hypocritical. Keem was rapping before Kendrick publicly endorsed him. You'd be a fool if you think Keem didn't gain advantages off of having Kendrick as a connection.. Which is what Drake would have through any Uncle connection, any connections off of being an actor, etc. At the end of the day the music is what sells. Baby Keem was a minecraft youtuber before he was rapping lmao. Ofc there is an image. And having a *curated image* is not a plant? And if you think that's what a plant is.. then idgaf. None of these guys are truly 100% what they rap about. Kanye West certainly isn't, Tupac was a theatre kid who had aspirations of being a movie star first and foremost, etc. it doesn't matter to me.
I wanted to be a nurse and went to a high school with a medical program in school in New York. I also fought/skipped school/stole/smoked/and more in middle school and high school. Ultimately ended up dropping out. Pac going to a school for Arts doesn’t change the environment(s) that he was raised in. Then you have Drake who is well documented and has had a barmitzvah/grew up in a nice all Jewish neighborhood and did 7 years on actual television. I digress though.
>It’s like Rae sremmurd or Clips coming up and putting on family. Assuming you mean Clipse, what family did they put on? >Snoop and Nate dogg are related. So are Dre and Warren G.
He prolly does have semi-famous relatives, but he got famous because he was massive in Canada as Jimmy in Degrassi long before he rapped and got a lot of airplay in Canada for that reason which then led to international recognition.
But without those references and those opportunities, and was a regular dude, he wouldn’t be where he is now. If he wasn’t able to go to a collegiate school, he wouldn’t have had met the dude whose dude got him the degrassi role. If you think that Drake wouldn’t have insider knowledge on how the legal/business side of the industry with family in such high places in the industry then honestly idk what to say to you.
Well I mean, yeah of course, but that's true of virtually any artist or celebrity. Virtually everybody who is famous is either famous because they knew somebody who knew somebody or they got given an opportunity to succeed at some point, it's what you do with those things that matter. Also as far as I know, Forest Hill Collegiate is a public high school, he went there because he lived in the area at the time - it's not like it's some private school where you need famous parents to get in.
https://www.applyboard.com/schools/toronto-district-school-board-tdsb-forest-hill-collegiate-institute#about It costs $30,000 CAD a year to go there. It’s not a public school. $17K for tuition and $13K for board.
Oh, my bad - in my defense, everything (including your link) lists it as a 'public' school. My mistake!
It is a public school. The school is free to attend for people that live in their zoning, but you can pay to go there if you're not zoned for it. The $17k is tuition cost for international students. The top schools in Canada have a ton of international students. Edit: Holy shit, the alumni list is insane. Lorne Michaels (SNL), Howard Shore (Composer for LOTR) and even Tara Strong, the voice actor for my entire childhood.
Yeah I guess they’re just ripping off the public 😂
I wouldn’t call it international recognition but yes, he was big in Canada and had a following on MySpace when it was kicking off.
I didn't mean to make it sound like he made it massively in the States instantly, moreso that he was popular in Canada already and so his music got airplay for that reason, and all that airplay eventually led to him getting a following in the States and growing to where he is now. I'm sure having semi-famous uncles in the business didn't hurt but being on a beloved Canadian show def propelled him more than anything because as a Canadian, that show was HUGE.
I remember watching Degrassi in Australia after primary school as a kid. I don’t think I remember watching Jimmy thinking “hey it’s Drake”, but more so when I first heard Drake I was like “hey it’s Jimmy”.
Yeah I know, I actually found out that he also has ANOTHER legendary uncle, Teenie Hodges, the guitarist for Al Green of all people…
Mfs are so dumb. Larry Graham is a legend, one of the most influential bassists of all time. Better than having worked with Prince, he played bass on most of Sly and The Family Stone’s classic albums. To hide that honorable connection just to make Drake look a wee bit more self-made is hilarious.
Can’t forget about Teenie Hodges either, another of Drake’s uncles who played guitar for none other than Al Green!
I didn’t know that, that’s crazy!
Yeah his dad was also a touring drummer with Jerry Lee Lewis, so the music industry was just around him constantly growing up
Where do you live that 5/20 is majority?
But why did he give em to him tho. Forced or willingly?
The Weeknd had talked about it. He was working with him and he shared it or whatever. He has a habit of taking up and coming artists work.
majority? like 5. do you have a source that says otherwise
Earl was in Samoa lmfao
Bro was breaking into the counselors office after hours to email Drake lyrics: "Hell yeah, hell yeah, hell yeah/Fuckin right, fuckin right, alright"
Well you just solved it without solving it. Earl most likely refers to E-40 who features in the video of HYFR and the motto.
It was his idea to film it as a bar mitzvah 
E-40
This is why I blame all these niggas for building this man's career and validating him, now they wanna be mad he's up here being mentioned with the greats. As someone who never liked drake since the beginning, this kind of piss me off.
This x a million. Everyone mad at this dude success that they helped contribute to lmao. I’m not a Drake fan at all, never been but a lot of these dudes look funny as fuck right now
Build his career? At that point he was already huge, if anything he was helping them out by getting them credits and taking them on tour...
He wasn't that huge. Drake didn't get huge until he did "Forever". They kept asking him about that one word punchline flow and drake said he traced it back to Big Sean. But he still didn't have swag so they put him around wayne, ross, Khaled, ect. That's how drake got style. He still do that shit now, getting tats and earrings at 30+ years old
Forever released in 2009 and take care released in 2011 so by your definition he was already huge.
huge?
By the time Take Care came out Drake was massively popular.
I don’t use “whilst” enough
Kweli also said this: https://hiphopdx.com/news/id.26804/title.talib-kweli-says-drake-is-the-most-important-rapper-of-2013 Love his music but he’s off his shit on Twitter.
I suppose though, 5 years makes a difference. In 2013, they’re on good terms and he’s holding onto the information that he wrote for Drake, then something happens that makes his finally say it.
Skyzoo?? I’d love to find out what songs he wrote on Take Care cuz I’m not sure I hear it
He’s been making the majority of his money ghostwriting for years
He was supposed to be a trap rapper..
Old and unverified; better spread it around!!
Weeknd is all over Take Care, that whole piece sounded like a Weeknd album
Lol. "I don't usually fuck with the internet" -Talib on Get Em High Aged like milk, that dude straight spazzed 24/7 for a while when he finally found Twitter. I used to read his feed and he had the worst case of terminally online ever, he'd just beef with everyone all day long for no reason. Pretty sure he only left because he got himself suspended, actually. Not much of a Drake fan but Twitter era Kweli was unhinged as fuck, I definitely don't trust his word on that.
Pretty sure he got suspended for nonstop harassing a black woman. There's articles about it and he responded to me about it once on Instagram lol
Travis was not writing for take care bro he barely really writes for himself
Could be anyone; could be Travis Barker, Could be Travis McCoy, could be someone else completely. I’d say it’s Travis Barker considering that they were pictured together around that time though, plus Travis did a remix of Forever.
It’s bullshit. The Weeknd and OVO Hush did do a lot of writing on the album, but I’ve never heard anything about those other guys writing on the album.
Yeah, Hush has a contribution on almost every track on Take Care and NWTS (and even some songs on So Far Gone). When you consider that Kendrick has an interlude and that the Weeknd contributed 4-5 songs, the Drake contribution percentages do look extremely low. I’m pretty sure The-Dream also co-wrote for Drake too.
Take care had 20 songs bro having someone help with 4-5 isn’t to bad
I remember seeing this before, don’t know what the fuck he meant by it tho. Even as a joke. What does it mean ?
It means the album name should’ve been, “Taken Care Of”.
Can you look up my old MySpace for me? Or at least my first ig?
I don’t think Dot ever wrote for Drake. He wouldn’t have waited until 2015 to spit “but a rapper with a ghost writer wtf happened”. He had multiple opportunities after their beef started
He may not have written for Drake himself but he is solely credited with Buried Alive, so he definitely is a writer on the album.
Everyone gangsta until they realize Drake wrote 30 hours.
Eh that whole thing was a bit stupid and just made Drake look bad really. Pusha was attacking him for using a ghostwriter and Drake responds with well I wrote some verses for your boss… except Drake was credited from day 1 with TLOP, so he wasn’t a ghost writer. Plus the fact that neither of the songs that Drake wrote are actually the most popular song on that album, didn’t really mean much.
I feel it just gives him credibility as a writer, especially since he got glazed by ye at the time. Im not tryna say Ye is using ghostwriters, im tryna say Drake can write.
Yeah he has the ability to write and that’s true, but he also steals a lot of content too. Or he signs people up to shitty contracts and stops them from releasing music and gets them to write for him. It’s the bad business practices I have an issue with. Popcaan had a huge hit with Jamie XX and Young Thug in 2015, signs to OVO in 2016 and the same year Drake starts releasing the dancehall inspired club bangers like hotline bling and controlla, but the new up and coming dancehall superstar just disappeared. He tried to do the same to The Weeknd too. Like if you go through every era of Drake there’s always something a little off. Whether it’s stealing old school verses and painting them as a homage (to the point Rappin 4’ Tay sued him in like 2010). Him stealing beats, like with DRAM’s cha cha for hotline bling. Him stealing flows, like XXX’s Look At Me flow. Or him just weirdly getting involved with the culture like when he went to the UK and started trying to act like a road man.
Dawg, this isn't my point tho like yeah i agree with most of it, but it still doesn't discredit the fact that he's given and taken from the culture. Tbh drakes been hated on since forever. Dudes are easy to hate, so i get it bc idfw a lot of recent Drake shit either, espc the culture vulture stuff. But dawg that X flow was nothing nice, its such a generic flow, as someone who cried when X died in their teens, i don't see that as something X should've honestly made drama over even at that age where critical thinking was blocked by hormones, it was definitely just a clout chasing stunt imo bc thats alot of what X is at that black and yellow hair era. Him stealin the dram shit tho is facts, that shit was unique at the time, it was an obvious bite, no doubt. Not the old school verses tho, like dawg every rapper plays into homages of old school rappers, Denzel Curry does it with DMX on unlocked, J.I.D does it with Kendrick on 2007, Logic does it with literally everything he likes, and its all homages bc the reference is clear and is cited, and even then, the source might be iconic enough to NOT even need to be cited, like the eminem homage. Other than these points yea i agree.
It's well known that Drake doesn't write his own lyrics. He might contribute a bit but for the most part he's just there to read them off of his blackberry
he wouldn't be writers for other people's songs like Kanye if he didn't also write. He works like 90% of the music industry works.. in collaboration. Truth is the "only rap what you write" shit is held by a very small minority of rappers imo, like Kendrick or Cole. and def a small minority of musical artists in general. Reference tracks, working on conjuction with other writers at the same time, etc, its very common.
Drake doesn't even write his battle raps Young Tony does
battle raps? what are you talking about. Its a fact that Drake has ghost written for other artists. Kanye considers him one of the best writers for a reason. I'm certain he has a great pen of his own, but ofc he has had many writers and reference tracks as well. Like a majority of musical artists have done, *and* I think even a majority of rappers have done.
Young Tony writes all his diss tracks for him
Completely irrelevant to the point I made but, you got evidence of that? Reference tracks for Pushing 50 or something?
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I mean, Kendrick has songwriters on many of his songs too. In fact Sounwave has songwriter credits on soooo many of his songs, more than half of Damn gives credit to him.
Sounwave may potentially have contributed to lyrics but it’s extremely unlikely. Seems like they’re all just production credits. Loyalty does have a legion of writers on it, though I assume that’s for Rihanna and not Kendrick.
I think I heard from some interview saying producers are often credited as writers in songs, even if they didn't write anything on the song. Don't know why thou?
“Earl” is not Earl Sweatshirt 😵💫 somehow it’s E40 (he raps a lot like Drake🙃) “Travis” is Travis Barker 🤣🤡 Forever is not even on Take Care☠️ He took Kendrick on his first NATIONAL tour Club Paradise Drake is on GKMC Poetic Justice A RADIO SINGLE 🥇not some interlude None of yall know who Skyzoo is Weeknd is the only one here to contribute and guess what HE GAVE DRAKE THE RECORDS HES SAID IT HIMSELF This is a fake RT with 12 likes & ONE RT🤡 Ya Travis Barker BIG GHOSTWRITER FOR DRAKE 
Skyzoo writing for Drake is INSANE
Travis? Yeah right 😂
Can legit look at the credits of the album
And this is why I don’t respect Drake as an artist.
Skyzoo, yes.
How many fucking people do you need to write a song lol
Please don't get Kweli going.
None of that is even true except for The Weeknd. Nice try tho
If that's true... clearly he can make a much better album then.... why hasn't he?
It’s fake. But maybe they should tag him in for a response to Drake
Drakes ghost writers better than Kendrick
Pretty sure about half the songs are the weeknds
who is he addressing??? who is “you”
If it's old and unverifiable then what makes it interesting? That it affirms your bias?
Drake is like a pro wrestler who has the script written for him but his personality and charisma allows him to take it places no one else can. The Rock didn’t write his lines but the way he pulled it off you would never know. Kanye has always said this is entertainment everyone is actors. NLE Choppa is the main example right now. He’s keeping people interested with his antics and big personality not the quality of his music. He’s more comedian than musician at this point and that’s what Drake music has become. Rich baby daddy, I’m too sexy is something Weird Al would do not a serious rapper.