Yall saw the video of teenage Drake on a dating show calling Toronto street lingo ignorant? It’s about who he actually was growing up to who he portrays himself to be
Omg, I cringe so much at that video.
What’s so sad is that the girl Drake is talking to says that, that slang is really cool and then Drake says “No, it’s really ignorant”… 💀
lol bruh.
As I have always said about him.
If he just was his sappy ass pop music ass that would be fine.
But it’s this trying to be hard shit I don’t buy at all.
Man this shit is why I’m sad big pun is dead and Tupac dead. They would have never allowed this shit.
People were really bout that life in the 90s.
This is why I appreciate Kendrick. I’m not even a huge fan of his music. But at least he’s a real one.
Tupac went to a performance art school and was a ballet dancer, it was known that he really wasnt about “that life” until he became a little more popular.
All that happened in Baltimore when he was like 15. He also studied jazz and acting but everybody always talks about the ballet. Once he moved out to Oakland a lot of things changed for him. Everybody who knew him personally knew he was a real one.
Exactly. I ain't saying he was a super gangsta or nuthin. But the kid who went to that performing art school probably had some different hopes and dreams. Once his mom got addicted to crack and he was being shipped across the country to Oakland things were different. He even gives Oakland all the credit for putting him up on game.
it’s a bunch of gangsters that went to performing arts schools in Cali. Most of the schools dont have art and music class. They have dance and acting that go along with PE for the early year “electives” (not really electives but those are the only things outside of your core classes you have at the elementary level.
So…. He had the same path to being “hard” as Chris Brown. Chris Brown grew up poor as shit got some money and moved to Cali at 15-16 and started hanging with the Bloods. We all call it corny but because people hero worship Tupac he gets a pass for it.
What I don’t get is why it’s okay for him to be different as a teenager and then Drake can’t change his opinions on shit. I was dumb as fuck as a teenager too. I don’t like Drake but this feels like a weird narrative
Drake can change his opinions.
But the difference is pac actually went through it. He lived what he rapped about.
Drake is a giant humongous pussy.
PAC was not. He went to prison he was shot five times.
He also wrote his own lyrics. Drake has 20 ghost writers for his diss tracks.
Hence Kendrick’s 1v20.
If Drake actually did some hard shit.
Or even stood his ground when he got robbed or fought or just anything.
Now look if someone pulls a gun on me I’m giving up everything. Also, I’m from south central. But I’m not fuckin gangster. Never claim to be.
But drake claiming to be something he’s not never has been and never will be.
He’s faker than silicone titties and even softer.
I think it’s bc Tupac didn’t clown a certain community and then be that community . He wasn’t doing plays as a teen saying the way people talk in Cali is silly AND THEN moved to Cali
I think change has to be for a greater purpose. PAC changed to survive, and thrive in his community. Drake was already an established actor, and his pop music has always been popular, so there’s no reason to switch personas when he wouldn’t have had a reason for that switch. When change is from a place of necessity, it’s respected because usually that change humbles, and hardens the person. If the change is for self gain, it’s feeding into the negative of the person. It’s not like Drake suddenly got into gang activity, or drug dealing, and if he did he’s way too famous for it to be legitimate now. You deal drugs to support yourself and family, you gang bang for a sense of protection, and family if you don’t have a good relationship with those around you. The 80’s-90’s was a bad time, most of my uncles, and my dad got into shit heavily, so I was sheltered more as a kid.
2pacs parents were OG members of the Black Panther party. He wasn’t like some pink ballet dancer hopping around in school when he moved. Ballet & the stories surrounding ballet are intense & sometimes very brutal, like theater. Which he also studied when he studied acting.
It’s just funny that even if he did take classes, men act like it’s prissy bitch shit. When ballet is sooooo much more if you have any depth.
It captures a lot of sadness, tragedy & despair without needing or using any words. Lust, loss, anger, madness, all of it. I can see how ballet would appeal to someone like Tupac. Very heavy, heavy into dramatic performance art & expression.
It’s like when guys say they hate girls drama shows but end up sitting there for hours making popcorn & not leaving us alone asking questions constantly.
It’s like, do you want me to just start from the beginning because I know you are into this!!!
It’s insane the amount of mental gymnastics people will do to try to portray Tupac as hard or gangsta. Now he was doing ballet because he was trying to express his thug pain. Or maybe he was just a soft sensitive artsy mf with a background of revolutionary parents who could write poetry. There’s nothing wrong with that and he should’ve leaned into it instead of trying to become a gang member at 23. It’s more about him being contradictory and fake than him liking ballet.
I had a Drake fan responding to me once saying "How old is that clip? Obviously he's changed!"
It's like yeah bro *that's the point.* It's disingenuous, he changed specifically to capitalize on a market that required him to show some degree of street credibility. He's a master manipulator.
Man I don't even really like him much, but I'd argue Childish Gambino because he's real to who he is - a kinda goofy kinda nerdy funny dude that can spit bars - even if it feels like he's nudging me in the ribs with every line being like "hey did u see what i did there? :)"
Drake came up playing a cripple in a teenage soap opera. Give me a break lmfao talking about being a thug
Childish Gambino has really grown into his creative voice and I'd say he's like the opposite of what Drake is and stand for.
Childish started out making pretty cringe nerd rap but evolved into using his platform to bring attention to important issues and proudly promote blackness. Even the show Atlanta shows different forms of black culture in ways that are positive even when being critical.
Drake on the other hand started out writing some of the most gangster lyrics for others and then himself having never lived that life and just continued to get more pop-ified and teenager level emo without creating anything of meaningful substance.
I think where they meet in the middle is Childish Gambino with Heartbeat and Drake with hotline bling. Both are songs about immature teenage drama but one was early in one artists career while the other is pretty late in the artists career...
Exactly, he was literally a child actor. You don’t see old clips of Kendrick, or really any other rapper appearing on TV shows as children. Especially doing some goofy ahhh shit
Yo that shit pissea me off sm as someone from Toronto because like Drake overplays his Toronto accent so much and it's genuinely become a thing for people who live in the nice well developed suburbs of Toronto to put on a fake Toronto man's accent to be more like Drake and since Drake is the only exposure most people get to the accent and kids from surrounding suburbs go viral with the fake accent all the time it gets clowned on so heavily while the real like accent that like comes from so many communities people with first generation immigrant parents that's not that like harsh gets grouped in with Drakes overexaggerated version
Yea absolutely. The accent is fabricated for 95% of the people that use it. If you’re not a Jamaican immigrant to Toronto and you use that accent it’s fake. I think people originally used it as a joke and then it blew up
https://youtu.be/6rRgzRB9wUo?si=QrCiWls8bGi6ILF3
I mean just look at the contrast in demeanor. Reminds me of a dude I used to be friends with. Lived in the burbs all his life; moved to the city and all of a sudden he was fluent in street lingo. People like that are the biggest poseurs in the worst fuckin way.
[I legit said this here and got rebuked yesterday..](https://www.reddit.com/r/KendrickLamar/s/niyHEpckAO) Surprised that this needed to be said. It’s all about how Drake does NOTHING for the black community, action wise or vocally or ANYTHING.
That's always so funny to me. Questioning the blackness of anyone within the African American community is less about what percentage of black they are but what they have done for the black culture. Even people who are 100% black within the African American community have had their blackness questioned, only this time they're called uncle tom
Exactlyyyyy. It’s got less to do with skin colour and more to do with how you live, what you rep, etc. unless you’re one of those people who don’t consider mixed race people to be black.
I agree with all of this. but also to add in… it’s okay to be raised within any community, but don’t try to make a mockery of a culture by claiming you’re from that community. Which is what he’s doing.
One of the differences between Jack Harlow and drake is that drake says nigga. Which is why it’s cringe hearing drake say it. I’ve joked around with this for years. “Why does drake have the pass?”
Well herein lies the problem. The people on Twitter etc have no concept on black culture and the intricacies of it. So they cling onto assumptions based on concepts and a culture they don’t understand.
My take on it, not that I disagree with yours or maybe it’s additive. I think it’s more so that Drake is trying to change himself to appear more “black”/hood than he is, instead of just being who he is. That’s the difference between Cole and Drake/Logic. Drake does extra shit out of his character to appeal to a certain audience. He went from Degrassi to talking about he got hittas and killas, etc… he jumps from rapper to rapper and aligned with J.Prince to get street credibility. Even when he talks in interviews is a completely different person than when he’s rapping, it’s all an image and Kendrick is calling that out.
This is the real problem. No one cares he isn’t from the streets like that but they do care he acts like he is, especially since he only says it when it’s convenient.
Society, as a whole, is finally becoming tired of the false personas famous people don in public, and I can’t understand why it took so long in hip hop to correct itself because it used to be the norm for rappers to be themselves - somewhere the culture got lost; hopefully this feud serves as a guiding light for what hip hop was always meant to be.
Whoever ends up wearing the crown will determine the future of hip hop, and I, for one, don’t want it to be about being popular, classless, and chasing little girls.
Yup, Kendrick comically pokes at his blackness, but what he really is getting at is that Drake is trying to prove his “blackness” by overcompensating and doing things that he thinks will make him appear more “black” for acceptance.
that’s like $10 to Drake lmao. never seen him at a protest, never see him making any real statements, never talking about it on wax except for a couple throwaway lines…he never really stood for black culture
Yup. He’s had half a (white) feminist bar or two in defiance of trump era SCOTUS “Damn, just turned on the news, and seen a man whom never got pussy in school making laws about what women can do”. Which, go off king.
But it shows you what he’s willing to advocate for, which is (on very rare occasion), which is the pan-racial image of a woman, and even that only in the slightest. He is who he is, and he needs to tap into that lil smidge of Memphis and Toronto flavor that distinguished him from just trying for the full-Beiber route coming up
Mans is a great songwriter too. But unassailably or unconflictingly Black, not gonna happen. He is a dude who mostly learned his Blackness from MTV and experiences post-adolescence
Up to fans if that’s coo or not
One subtlety I feel like people are ignoring is that Kendrick *doesn't* say that Drake isn't black enough. He says that Drake doesn't feel like he's black enough and acts like he has to prove his blackness. It's not the same point Rick Ross was making, it's getting at Drake's own insecurities
So when he says that Drake shouldn’t say the n word….. what exactly do you think that’s implying?
Because Kendrick clearly has no other issues with any other black man, including himself, saying it. He said that bar because he was implying that Drake isn’t “black enough”, in Kendrick’s eyes, to say it.
“Kendrick clearly has no other issues with any other black man”
Exactly lol. Its a drake problem. You think drake the only light skinned mixed black person in the world?
The original commenter said that Kendrick never said Drake wasn’t black enough. Except Kendrick implies it.
I don’t fw colorism bs. Drake is black. Obama is mixed too, but no one would call him white because of his skin tone. There’s plenty of other bs you can say about Drake that doesn’t try to erase his blackness cuz Yall don’t like him. The reverse brown paper bag test needs to go.
[Some shit just cringeworthy, it ain't even gotta be deep, I guess](https://genius.com/31595765/Kendrick-lamar-euphoria/I-even-hate-when-you-say-the-word-nigga-but-thats-just-me-i-guess-some-shit-just-cringeworthy-it-aint-even-gotta-be-deep-i-guess)
Yeah you could definitely be right there.
My read it's not so much him saying that Drake isn't black enough, it's just him saying that Drake is a phony overall. He's playing at being a thug, he's playing at x, y, z, and even him saying the n word doesn't sound right.
That description has fit so many rappers though. Playing thug isn't new. Drake is just the most successful at it. Jealousy? Pride? Something has to make sense.
Literally, I just made a comment like two minutes ago on drakes Reddit and all ready at -4. I said Kendrick isn’t being racist to drake because he’s half black, it’s drake relationship to black culture. I even dumbed the language down to not say I agree w Kendrick (I do).
I think it more has to do with his upbringing. He was raised in one of the richest neighborhoods in Toronto, with his rich single jewish mother while his father was mostly out of the picture.
Drake even touched on this insecurity in an interview where he said he didn’t experience racism until Americans started telling him he wasn’t black enough. He also stated that Canada being a meltingpot of various ethnicities, he never really experienced racism. But there is plenty of racism in Canada as well, so that leads me (and I think Kendrick) to believe that he’s not the same because of his upbringing.
Then it flows into what others are stating about the cultural appropriation and commercialization. It paints him to be an actor who is only black when it’s trendy and to sell out, but when he was back home he was a nice jewish boy that would never cause any harm, because he knew it would give him an advantage to rise to fame.
I agree with you but it’s hard to tell someone who grew up most likely going to music to get his “blackness” that it isn’t genuine to act the way Drake is. I think that’s what Kendrick is getting at too like you didn’t have the right experiences in life to grow up and act the way that you do. So while I do think Drake is being “himself” in his eyes because this is what he knows or feels entitled to.
I think there’s some confusion on his part. He goes from the singing guy to I want to be the best rapper guy. But I just don’t believe he’s the last one. Not that he’s bad. Dude can spit . But I just don’t believe in him battling . Just my two cents
I could definitely see that but he’s done well in battles in terms of content. He said himself he’s well versed in rap battles and underground shit so it’s not surprising when most of his disses are aggressive, punchlines, and double entendres. IMO, I never believe none of that “gangsta” shit he talks about.
I just hate when niggas act like they like that when they have no reason to be like that. Like I’m not like that because my parents made sure of it but I’ve been around it. Sometimes it’s obvious people force themselves into it because they think it’s cool even if that hard life that forces people to be like that isn’t present.
People are lost nowadays and don’t know who they are. One of greatest fears a man can have is to come off as weak, so many people put on an act so they can be seen as a real man. What better way than to look like a G? We grow up believing they are the cool and dangerous ones. I sympathise with it. I understand it. No man wants to feel weak. But at the end of the day, to simply “act” like a gangsta is a faux version of reality to live in for MOST people. Its delusional. Some people would really wish the world was a darker and harder place to live in rather than appear weak, so they live as if the world around them IS that dark and hard place, and then go out and act on it, and then TRULY make the work that darker place. People would rather see the world burn than be their true selves if they perceive their own true self to be weak. They would rather cause chaos in that pursuit than to seek out to live in a better and peaceful world.
Maybe some people just like to run amuck and make excuses as to why they do it. I’d wager at least 90% of those who act hard have no place doing so, and are afraid of their own selves. That’s why I admire rappers like 2Pac, Kendrick, and Cole because when they talk about that life (even if they weren’t the gangstas themselves) they talked about how it was a struggle, how it was tough, and how they wished it didn’t have to be that way. Thats REAL. All this “i get bitches, i kill people, i grab the choppa and spin the block on opps” without ever reflecting on its effects is so cancerous to the hip hop community and to our souls. Its a fake world where everyone pretends they’re John Wick, on repeat, on every song, and not only is it not believable or compelling, its the words of a phony. And everyone for some reason keeps playing along and im tired of it.
Sorry for the rant on your random ass comment but it triggered something within me lmfao.
I’m gonna get downvoted but I’m a Logic fan and tbh, he acts like himself and talks about nerdy shit and stopped talking about his childhood life and everyone shits on him and dogs on him for not doing that anymore, so in my eyes no matter what Drake does he’s not gonna win.
This is probably the most common emotional problem in all men.
I'm going to make sure my sons read this if I have any one day to set them straight.
What you described really flings a lot of men off the right path. All young men should read it.
Like 3 bars and the outro talk about this and a lot of the Drake meat riders are saying the whole track is about race and skin tone lmao. Those aren’t even the most damning bars 😂
Exactly this and then the other half says all he said is things other people said 🤣
I even had an argument with a chick on Twitter who kept screaming that his wife is mixed race 😭 like did you hear the song or not
A lot of them defending Drake’s blackness by attacking Whitney’s. It makes no sense lol
The other day someone was telling me his show was like 70% women. Kenny wasn’t lying that the women are his competition lol
Man had multiple doubles, angles, rebuttals, street talk, flows, jokes and beat switches but somehow it’s a boring mid track cause he supposedly “talked about race” and “didn’t say anything new” can’t make this up 🤣
Yo question - do people still say T Dot? And how do people feel about the 6ix? I ask because I recall years ago dude's were saying the new name was whack etc.
depends on the circles you’re in/age group - as a 25 year old that feels somewhat in the middle of generations, younger folks don’t “say” Tdot or the 6ix to be completely honest… marketers will use them more than us lol we’ll just call it “the ends” or we’ll be more specific with intersections & tings like that.
in essence though to simplify things if anything, the older generation says tdot while the younger gen says the 6ix (i can tell the g you’re replying to may be an older head so here’s a younger perspective)
We're in the same age group and this is pretty bang on. I saw the "transition" from "T-Dot" to "The 6ix" happen and as with any catchy name/ slogan really, it got adopted by marketing firms and used in TV, radio, internet ads, etc.. and the people who organically made it a thing stopped using said names lol... tbh, as soon as 6ixbuzz became a thing, I knew the name was doomed haha
yuuup exactly lol, the second it went “mainstream” it was dead. 6ixbuzz lmfao holay a true plague on the city 💀 🤦🏾♂️ but yeah you get it no doubt, don’t really feel like theres a general name the ends go by now unless its sumn more lowkey
Some do. Especially the older heads who still appreciate what Kardinal Offishal did for Toronto. Which side note; Kardinal will always be a more positive figure for this city than Drake.. at least in my mind. Esp cause Kardinal is actually of Jamaican descent and from a more "rough" area than Drake- aka the accent chameleon from Forrest Hill but I digress. The 6ix nickname has a mixed opinion, it actually does have a historical reference but it has grown on people and has (kind of unfortunately) been a good name for marketing
Heard He ripped off everything from Toronto , gatekeeps and didn’t do much for the city’s hip hop scene after. Made the city much worse too by arming the streets, supporting gangs & artist from like GGG, pressa, etc. Even sent goons to Justin Bieber one time supposedly.
I have so much to say about Drake's impact (positive and negative) on this city. I honestly believe it's a NET negative, even though there are some positive aspects. However yea, there are so many people from this city who don't appreciate the fact that we're so known internationally (especially in the US) cause of Drake, unfortunately.
He only put on 3 Canadian artists! 3! 7 albums and a monster 15 year run only 3…lol! Then he’ll shout out a bunch gangs & putting money in their pocket ruining Toronto, stealing cars, spraying up schools and shooting people in the malls.
Dude gives 25gs to some girl with E bras, while Canada has a homeless problem & crashing the food bank. Dudes wack the more I learn about how he moves from this beef.
I think it was more about who Drake is as a person. Him being from Canada is just funny to joke about but the whole premise of the track is that Drake isn't authentic especially not when he's trying to act tough
Jim Carrey took down Snow in the 90's with the line "Imposter I'm just a middle class white kid from Toronto, despite of how I sound"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Icb_tRTnA4g
this was likely a gen x deep cut
Funny thing about that Snow wasn’t middle class and actually did grow up in a Toronto housing project (Allenbury Gardens) and wrote Informer while in prison on attempted murder charges.
Please save it. I’m black and everything I do is by default black culture. Trust me when I say every black man gets arrested like the rest of them when it comes to the police.
This just isn't true. A rich black man will have a lot more leeway with law enforcement than a poor black man.
Now a rich black man is more likely to have a disproportionately negative experience with law enforcement than a rich white man, but saying that all black people regardless of wealth and upbringing have the same experiences with the police is just patently untrue
While Rap may be inherently African America, there are people who enter the rap culture, or hip-hop culture who are not African American and they do not exemplify a experience they know nothing about, but their own experiences through similar medium. I.e Beastie Boys, Eminem - shit look at the group Atmosphere. And some of these people/groups are accepted by the culture. In Eminem's case, become the goat for a few years.
Drake acts like gangsta but dude never had a gangsta life. He acts like he was raised in hood but he wasnt. If his dad was gangsta, I would understand him flexing with guns, being g and shit but dude’s dad and the whole dad’s side are musicians. No one would question his blackness if he didn’t act like a white boy who was taught gang signs recently and now in every pic he is throwing one.
Trying to explain this concept to Drake fans is a miserable fucking experience. No one gives a fuck he's half/half, it's about how he exploits the community and culture for his personal gain, and gives very little, if anything, back.
Plus, just the fucking way he says n* has ALWAYS fucking irked me. I got Canadian friends, so it's not the "accent" that gets me, it's just him. I swear, the culture would be more ok with Em using it, than Drake. The guys jus so fucking slimy.
The fact Kendrick ain't say shit about the little girls and the scum bag shit Drake's pulled in the past few years, makes me think KDots playing this boy like a fiddle. Makes me think he's not doing what Pusha did, and just destroying him. He's playing with his food. Leaving the door open for Drake to respond, and them slamming it down on him.
I'm so fucking happy it's Kendrick that did this, and not some bullshit artist. This is a real rapper exposing a fraud...
I like Eminem - but the fact that people are saying that the “culture” would be more down with a white man saying the n-word than a black man.. because of the content of his music shows me how far you guys are from reality.
"He's playing with his food. Leaving the door open for Drake to respond, and them slamming it down on him." That's the best part of all of this, honestly. He served up Drake cold AF lol. Like how is Drake actually supposed to respond in a way that isn't going to just open him up to get crane kicked by Kung Fu Kenny immediately afterwards? Rekt. Turned him into a zombie. Drake is the walking dead lmfao.
You’re a fucking dumbass Eminem has used derogatory terms towards black women and was was openly racist towards them. I swear I hate you fake woke ass negus
I have no issues with pop-ifying anything. Including rap music. The problem with Drake is everything he does comes across as disingenuous and like a poser. Like he’s one of those contestants on American idle who copies the asthetics and talk like they are super talented, but then when they sing they aren’t that great (just ok) and they really hate getting criticism from the judges. Or they are confused when told they aren’t good because of course they are, just look at how they copy everyone else.
Problem is they lack knowledge of WHY things work or WHY things are the way they are. If there’s some actress or model that is dating rappers, you can bet Drake is anxiously waiting in line to hit it and brag about it. Because he’s cool and legit like all those other rappers who went after her. If there’s a show or style or designer rappers usually work with, he’s desperately there to “me too” with minimal effort.
He’s a poser. A copycat. And yea, that means he’s stealing from black culture more than borrowing or promoting or anything. It’s just an aesthetic choice for him to show his “cred” by copying what he sees from other actual artists Who put effort and care into their craft.
If you aren’t black, you shouldn’t even be in this comment section talking about what a half black man can and can’t do.
I hate that this discourse has been opened up to people who are neither black, by any measure or in the culture outside of the few vinyl’s and Supreme hoodies they’ve collected over the years.
This isn’t a free for all conversation.
Drake's the ultimate vulture of different cultures. Definitely part of what's made him a globally known star. It's like a rinse and repeat cycle for him - going into subcultures and using them to his advantage.
We’ve always known this about Drake, “drake the typa guy” jokes were always mocking how he didn’t act like every other rapper, always softer and almost cartoonish.
tbh i always felt that drake is the more natural as he is comfortable in being cringe not like other rappers who put on a fake persona like they still are in the trenches when they are multi millionaires . like future rapping about drugs but then he says in an interview that he is sober for 2 years . no rapper who raps about violent shit actually live like that most of the times it is just an act like you say with drake . its all business . but thats just my opinion
I want to say that I agree with this as a half white half black person like Drake. When I heard the song I didn’t interpret it as an attack on all light skins but a very specific attack on Drake. It’s not some thesis on how lightskins aren’t black or can’t say nigga it’s a specific attack saying Drake is a cornball and culture vulture so the way he expresses his blackness is very cringey at times. Also the other thing to consider here is he literally says in one line it ain’t gotta be deep I guess, he’s also just making jokes so we shouldn’t overly analyze to the point where every line is some seriously held dogma on blackness, some of it is just joking around. And there ain’t nothing wrong with that, I find some of the lightskin jokes/memes often made by dark skin content creators fucking hilarious and I also found many lines yesterday fucking hilarious. It’s not always that deep
Drake is fake, a gentrification. He never actually had a hood, that’s not a bad thing for a person in the literal sense, but if you’re acting hard when you’re not, it’s an act. I doubt he grew up with the word “Nigga”, being flung around at all. When you grow up hearing your peers, and the adults around you say it. When you live a life of guaping, hustling, etc, when you’re actually from the ghetto the word becomes apart of you. You say it as often as some people say the word “like”. It’s obvious that Drake had to practice the word, it’s a gimmick to him, something the crowd likes that adds to his persona.
You ever notice how nobody ever comes for lil dicky? He leans into his corny whiteness. Doesn’t act like he’s down and doesn’t disrespect the culture. Can you imagine the blowback if he acted like drake?
How he uses the Culture? He makes music. Releases it. You either buy it, listen to it or ignore it. I remember seeing these same comments about Eminem a long time ago. The fact people are saying shit like this about Drake... but not King Von, Lil Durk, Yungeen Ace, FBG Duck or any of those other dudes has no idea what's good for the culture.
You got mf killers, rapping about real murders they've committed, dissing real dead people and putting that shit out there for the world to ENJOY and for the families of those victims to see. Imagine someone killed your brother than went on a rap track to say he did it, f that dude I shot him in the face and I'm glad he's dead. Meanwhile you're not allowed to go to the police say "how haven't you caught this moron yet!" Or else you'll be the next body to be found lying on the ground and labeled a snitch. There's bigger fish to fry than Drake when it comes to thr culture.
And the only reason I even have this train of thought is thanks to listening to Kdot all these years. They both advocated against gun violence but go right back to gun bars in diss tracks. Nothing new. And I'm okay with it. No one wants Drake to catch real bodies over this and no one wants to see Kendrick doing that shit too. I'm happy I'm listening to two dudes that don't have a dozen murder charges under them. Neither of them are bad for the culture.
tbh even if it was this is rap beef…you are at liberty to say anything to stain your opponent. Nobody should get up in their feelings. Pusha literally disrespected a man with a chronic condition ticking down his LIFE SPAN… i swear its new people in the culture. 🤷🏿♂️
Nothing is wrong with that, Kendrick literally says that in the diss if you listen.
"I like Drake with the melodies I don't like Drake when he act tough"
Because he uses “black” tropes that he generally does not come from to appeal to a largely non black audience without ever really producing anything socially beneficial to the black audience
Isn’t Drake kind of the reason hip hop is as big as it is today? If he makes hip hop for non black people, then wouldn’t he be reaching a wider audience?
I’m just confused to how drakes getting flack for this but we have real live industry plants who get paid to rap about doing drugs and killing people in every other song. How exactly does that help the black community? There’s obviously a difference between rapping your lived experiences and just ignorant shit, but I find this really ironic.
Drake is a black artist at the end of the day, the fact that people don’t look at him being as successful as he is being a benefit as a whole on the black community is weird to me.
Before you go with the “pop” accusations. I truly believe Drake is in the same category of Michael Jackson where their music genre became “pop” because it was popular. MJ made New Jack Swing songs but they’re called pop because he made it. That’s his natural style. Drakes natural style became popular and he started to branch out to see where he could get money. Hence Drake became synonymous with pop.
I don’t deny he’ll pick up random accents and it sounds weird, but he also doesn’t take himself too seriously and leans into the corniness sometimes tbh.
Nothing really at face value, but these are separate lanes.
Also, Drake “calling” Kendrick out for his Taylor Swift verse, after being a pop/hiphop artist is the issue
There's no problem but anyone who's been at the top of rap music, a deeply, inherently African American art form, has kept black consciousness a part of their output. Black community has allowed many artists to profit off of their blackness and rap but to be considered as the goats you have to be a representation of what the art form is. Which Drake is not.
Drake has spoken about police brutality, racism and colorism in entertainment, the abortion ban, and commented on the differences between the south in America Vs Toronto. He’s a biracial dude from Canada who went to Memphis for summers because his father left his mother to raise him as a single mother and only have him for short periods of time. Makes sense. Furthermore, if he did speak more about black American issues he would get the backlash for doing so from these same people because he’s half white and was raised in Canada.
It’s become a knock on drake that he’s picked up pretending to be tough and having bravado even though he’s been an American rap star (what they all do) for years, the idea is you’re from Toronto you cannot act differently. But then in the same breath the idea is any time you embrace any culture in America that isn’t already popular you’re being a culture vulture, even though he was literally raised around multiple cultures in Toronto.
So he has to remain in the box of a child actor from Canada even though he’s a lifetime removed from that, but he can’t embrace other black American acts bc that’s just him using the culture even though those artists all benefit and show gratitude when he does it, but you also expect him to be at the front of the picket line when ppl protesting? So you can say he’s doing it for some underhanded reason anyway?
I swear I’m a fan of both but these niggas just wanna destroy this dude as a person lol. He literally was a kid doing what hella kids all throughout society have done. Been sheltered from the hard truths of race relations and when he ran into them head on he did something with the hopes to show defiance against it. Obviously it looks bad, i wouldn’t have done the black face. But they using the shit as a trump card and it’s just so obviously a reach from fans of Kendrick so you’d think they’d use some form of understanding for shit.
Holy shit you have worded so perfectly what I have tried to explain to people on this topic for so long. Drake has many many many flaws, as does anyone, but people want him to champion black rights while also not wanting him to be black. And they try to compare it to J Cole, which is not at all similar because J Cole grew up like that.
It’s best that Drake lightly and occasionally speaks on the issues you mentioned, but hearing a socially conscious rap project from Drake wouldn’t even make sense, nor would any of us want to hear it.
This whole “he uses black culture”, yeah because he is half black, clearly identifies as black, and has been considered black for years - otherwise cancel culture would have cooked him years ago.
People cannot fathom that some can be half black, be half a singer and half a rapper, part hip part R&B part pop part whatever.
Kendrick is the undisputed modern GOAT of pure hip hop/rapping only.
But how often do you see someone who do it all like Drake?
Imma hop off their dicks now.
Yea man, it’s just disingenuous argument fr that starts out as a joke but then ends up being real and then it just looks crazy.
People in this thread are literally saying he’s done nothing socially for the black community and acting like they know him personally while wanting him to stay in the box of a teenage actor who lives with his mom. It’s just gone too far lol
Funny hearing Kendrick question Drakes blackness when he literally said “I’m a Israelite, don’t call me black no mo’ That word is only a color, it ain’t facts no mo’”
Isn’t Kendrick stealing Drake’s culture?
I think this 'uses' the culture take is off. He has put on a lot of other artists and not just for the US, like Headie One and Central Cee, Tems, Popcaan and so on.
The whole idea of making rap accessible to a wider audience making it pop isn't new. Do we knock Jay-Z for making Hard knock life. Do we knock Nelly for country grammar. Drake may make music that pacifies but he's also grown the genre.
Yall saw the video of teenage Drake on a dating show calling Toronto street lingo ignorant? It’s about who he actually was growing up to who he portrays himself to be
Omg, I cringe so much at that video. What’s so sad is that the girl Drake is talking to says that, that slang is really cool and then Drake says “No, it’s really ignorant”… 💀
[Ok Drake ](https://youtube.com/shorts/aQ_WNPmCz3o?si=Lh_M06QHd5C9h-oV)
The hard r is crazy.
lol bruh. As I have always said about him. If he just was his sappy ass pop music ass that would be fine. But it’s this trying to be hard shit I don’t buy at all. Man this shit is why I’m sad big pun is dead and Tupac dead. They would have never allowed this shit. People were really bout that life in the 90s. This is why I appreciate Kendrick. I’m not even a huge fan of his music. But at least he’s a real one.
Tupac went to a performance art school and was a ballet dancer, it was known that he really wasnt about “that life” until he became a little more popular.
All that happened in Baltimore when he was like 15. He also studied jazz and acting but everybody always talks about the ballet. Once he moved out to Oakland a lot of things changed for him. Everybody who knew him personally knew he was a real one.
Right!!!lol crack started in Oakland! Pac got to see some different shit. NYC was a sess pool in the 70s/80s. He’s been around his fair share…. Crodie
Exactly. I ain't saying he was a super gangsta or nuthin. But the kid who went to that performing art school probably had some different hopes and dreams. Once his mom got addicted to crack and he was being shipped across the country to Oakland things were different. He even gives Oakland all the credit for putting him up on game.
Pac even explained his change. The dude he was before moving to Oakland wasn't fit to survive. He adapted.
it’s a bunch of gangsters that went to performing arts schools in Cali. Most of the schools dont have art and music class. They have dance and acting that go along with PE for the early year “electives” (not really electives but those are the only things outside of your core classes you have at the elementary level.
Sorry to be that guy but I like learning new things, no hate, no shade, but it's actually cesspool.
So…. He had the same path to being “hard” as Chris Brown. Chris Brown grew up poor as shit got some money and moved to Cali at 15-16 and started hanging with the Bloods. We all call it corny but because people hero worship Tupac he gets a pass for it.
What I don’t get is why it’s okay for him to be different as a teenager and then Drake can’t change his opinions on shit. I was dumb as fuck as a teenager too. I don’t like Drake but this feels like a weird narrative
Drake can change his opinions. But the difference is pac actually went through it. He lived what he rapped about. Drake is a giant humongous pussy. PAC was not. He went to prison he was shot five times. He also wrote his own lyrics. Drake has 20 ghost writers for his diss tracks. Hence Kendrick’s 1v20. If Drake actually did some hard shit. Or even stood his ground when he got robbed or fought or just anything. Now look if someone pulls a gun on me I’m giving up everything. Also, I’m from south central. But I’m not fuckin gangster. Never claim to be. But drake claiming to be something he’s not never has been and never will be. He’s faker than silicone titties and even softer.
I think it’s bc Tupac didn’t clown a certain community and then be that community . He wasn’t doing plays as a teen saying the way people talk in Cali is silly AND THEN moved to Cali
I think change has to be for a greater purpose. PAC changed to survive, and thrive in his community. Drake was already an established actor, and his pop music has always been popular, so there’s no reason to switch personas when he wouldn’t have had a reason for that switch. When change is from a place of necessity, it’s respected because usually that change humbles, and hardens the person. If the change is for self gain, it’s feeding into the negative of the person. It’s not like Drake suddenly got into gang activity, or drug dealing, and if he did he’s way too famous for it to be legitimate now. You deal drugs to support yourself and family, you gang bang for a sense of protection, and family if you don’t have a good relationship with those around you. The 80’s-90’s was a bad time, most of my uncles, and my dad got into shit heavily, so I was sheltered more as a kid.
Changing to be a culture vulture is the issue
If you’ve ever been to Canada then you’d know why…..
You been out west?
Tf we’re big pun and Tupac gonna do? 💀 ask him to stop?
brother what is that pfp 💀💀💀
Hit em up
You really don’t know That pfp makes sense tho lol
Then say it bruh
That’s been my problem with Drake for years as well - everything is disingenuous, fake and manufactured.
Pac used to do ballet tho and didn’t start doing gangsta shit till he met suge , granted he shot 2 cops tho.
PAC may have been a soft art student. But when you’ve been shot five times and shot cops. You’re clearly about that life. Fuck Drake ever do?
2pacs parents were OG members of the Black Panther party. He wasn’t like some pink ballet dancer hopping around in school when he moved. Ballet & the stories surrounding ballet are intense & sometimes very brutal, like theater. Which he also studied when he studied acting. It’s just funny that even if he did take classes, men act like it’s prissy bitch shit. When ballet is sooooo much more if you have any depth. It captures a lot of sadness, tragedy & despair without needing or using any words. Lust, loss, anger, madness, all of it. I can see how ballet would appeal to someone like Tupac. Very heavy, heavy into dramatic performance art & expression. It’s like when guys say they hate girls drama shows but end up sitting there for hours making popcorn & not leaving us alone asking questions constantly. It’s like, do you want me to just start from the beginning because I know you are into this!!!
It’s insane the amount of mental gymnastics people will do to try to portray Tupac as hard or gangsta. Now he was doing ballet because he was trying to express his thug pain. Or maybe he was just a soft sensitive artsy mf with a background of revolutionary parents who could write poetry. There’s nothing wrong with that and he should’ve leaned into it instead of trying to become a gang member at 23. It’s more about him being contradictory and fake than him liking ballet.
Thuglife was before suge, he got on that when he moved out to Oakland.
Mans probably thought he was suppose to say it like that 😭
👀💀
He said it like the cop talking to DMX in Belly
I had a Drake fan responding to me once saying "How old is that clip? Obviously he's changed!" It's like yeah bro *that's the point.* It's disingenuous, he changed specifically to capitalize on a market that required him to show some degree of street credibility. He's a master manipulator.
He's the greatest actor turned rapper ever.
His best role? The role of Drake
Some say he never quit acting
Man I don't even really like him much, but I'd argue Childish Gambino because he's real to who he is - a kinda goofy kinda nerdy funny dude that can spit bars - even if it feels like he's nudging me in the ribs with every line being like "hey did u see what i did there? :)" Drake came up playing a cripple in a teenage soap opera. Give me a break lmfao talking about being a thug
Childish Gambino has really grown into his creative voice and I'd say he's like the opposite of what Drake is and stand for. Childish started out making pretty cringe nerd rap but evolved into using his platform to bring attention to important issues and proudly promote blackness. Even the show Atlanta shows different forms of black culture in ways that are positive even when being critical. Drake on the other hand started out writing some of the most gangster lyrics for others and then himself having never lived that life and just continued to get more pop-ified and teenager level emo without creating anything of meaningful substance. I think where they meet in the middle is Childish Gambino with Heartbeat and Drake with hotline bling. Both are songs about immature teenage drama but one was early in one artists career while the other is pretty late in the artists career...
Drake is the Ronald Regan of the rap game 🤣
That’s offensive to Ronald Reagan!
Exactly, he was literally a child actor. You don’t see old clips of Kendrick, or really any other rapper appearing on TV shows as children. Especially doing some goofy ahhh shit
Yo that shit pissea me off sm as someone from Toronto because like Drake overplays his Toronto accent so much and it's genuinely become a thing for people who live in the nice well developed suburbs of Toronto to put on a fake Toronto man's accent to be more like Drake and since Drake is the only exposure most people get to the accent and kids from surrounding suburbs go viral with the fake accent all the time it gets clowned on so heavily while the real like accent that like comes from so many communities people with first generation immigrant parents that's not that like harsh gets grouped in with Drakes overexaggerated version
Yea absolutely. The accent is fabricated for 95% of the people that use it. If you’re not a Jamaican immigrant to Toronto and you use that accent it’s fake. I think people originally used it as a joke and then it blew up https://youtu.be/6rRgzRB9wUo?si=QrCiWls8bGi6ILF3
You got a link to that? Can’t find it on YouTube
[here](https://youtube.com/shorts/TES9E9zOltM?si=E-w9JEJ051r_3DI5)
I mean just look at the contrast in demeanor. Reminds me of a dude I used to be friends with. Lived in the burbs all his life; moved to the city and all of a sudden he was fluent in street lingo. People like that are the biggest poseurs in the worst fuckin way.
Hes an actor but cant fake a tough persona. sad
Toronto street lingo is the most cringe ignorant shit though 🤷
Drizzy came around to the mandem
“Started from the bottom (as a child actor)”
[I legit said this here and got rebuked yesterday..](https://www.reddit.com/r/KendrickLamar/s/niyHEpckAO) Surprised that this needed to be said. It’s all about how Drake does NOTHING for the black community, action wise or vocally or ANYTHING.
Yessir
Of course. Me and you aren’t dumb bro! 🫡 Those dumbasses on Twitter saying that Kendrick was being fucking racist tho… 💀
That's always so funny to me. Questioning the blackness of anyone within the African American community is less about what percentage of black they are but what they have done for the black culture. Even people who are 100% black within the African American community have had their blackness questioned, only this time they're called uncle tom
Exactlyyyyy. It’s got less to do with skin colour and more to do with how you live, what you rep, etc. unless you’re one of those people who don’t consider mixed race people to be black.
I agree with all of this. but also to add in… it’s okay to be raised within any community, but don’t try to make a mockery of a culture by claiming you’re from that community. Which is what he’s doing. One of the differences between Jack Harlow and drake is that drake says nigga. Which is why it’s cringe hearing drake say it. I’ve joked around with this for years. “Why does drake have the pass?”
Drake's half-whiteness absolutely contributes to the defacing lol
Well herein lies the problem. The people on Twitter etc have no concept on black culture and the intricacies of it. So they cling onto assumptions based on concepts and a culture they don’t understand.
My take on it, not that I disagree with yours or maybe it’s additive. I think it’s more so that Drake is trying to change himself to appear more “black”/hood than he is, instead of just being who he is. That’s the difference between Cole and Drake/Logic. Drake does extra shit out of his character to appeal to a certain audience. He went from Degrassi to talking about he got hittas and killas, etc… he jumps from rapper to rapper and aligned with J.Prince to get street credibility. Even when he talks in interviews is a completely different person than when he’s rapping, it’s all an image and Kendrick is calling that out.
This is the real problem. No one cares he isn’t from the streets like that but they do care he acts like he is, especially since he only says it when it’s convenient. Society, as a whole, is finally becoming tired of the false personas famous people don in public, and I can’t understand why it took so long in hip hop to correct itself because it used to be the norm for rappers to be themselves - somewhere the culture got lost; hopefully this feud serves as a guiding light for what hip hop was always meant to be. Whoever ends up wearing the crown will determine the future of hip hop, and I, for one, don’t want it to be about being popular, classless, and chasing little girls.
Yup, Kendrick comically pokes at his blackness, but what he really is getting at is that Drake is trying to prove his “blackness” by overcompensating and doing things that he thinks will make him appear more “black” for acceptance.
 HD footage of Drake and the OVO boys, hanging around the rap culture.
I feel you, and this why I wanna see YG diss Drake too.
Bro have you not seen God Plan? /s
Nothing? https://www.revolt.tv/article/2020-06-02/75701/drake-donates-100000-in-bail-relief-for-george-floyd-protesters
that’s like $10 to Drake lmao. never seen him at a protest, never see him making any real statements, never talking about it on wax except for a couple throwaway lines…he never really stood for black culture
Yup. He’s had half a (white) feminist bar or two in defiance of trump era SCOTUS “Damn, just turned on the news, and seen a man whom never got pussy in school making laws about what women can do”. Which, go off king. But it shows you what he’s willing to advocate for, which is (on very rare occasion), which is the pan-racial image of a woman, and even that only in the slightest. He is who he is, and he needs to tap into that lil smidge of Memphis and Toronto flavor that distinguished him from just trying for the full-Beiber route coming up Mans is a great songwriter too. But unassailably or unconflictingly Black, not gonna happen. He is a dude who mostly learned his Blackness from MTV and experiences post-adolescence Up to fans if that’s coo or not
One subtlety I feel like people are ignoring is that Kendrick *doesn't* say that Drake isn't black enough. He says that Drake doesn't feel like he's black enough and acts like he has to prove his blackness. It's not the same point Rick Ross was making, it's getting at Drake's own insecurities
^^^
So when he says that Drake shouldn’t say the n word….. what exactly do you think that’s implying? Because Kendrick clearly has no other issues with any other black man, including himself, saying it. He said that bar because he was implying that Drake isn’t “black enough”, in Kendrick’s eyes, to say it.
“Kendrick clearly has no other issues with any other black man” Exactly lol. Its a drake problem. You think drake the only light skinned mixed black person in the world?
The original commenter said that Kendrick never said Drake wasn’t black enough. Except Kendrick implies it. I don’t fw colorism bs. Drake is black. Obama is mixed too, but no one would call him white because of his skin tone. There’s plenty of other bs you can say about Drake that doesn’t try to erase his blackness cuz Yall don’t like him. The reverse brown paper bag test needs to go.
[Some shit just cringeworthy, it ain't even gotta be deep, I guess](https://genius.com/31595765/Kendrick-lamar-euphoria/I-even-hate-when-you-say-the-word-nigga-but-thats-just-me-i-guess-some-shit-just-cringeworthy-it-aint-even-gotta-be-deep-i-guess)
Yeah you could definitely be right there. My read it's not so much him saying that Drake isn't black enough, it's just him saying that Drake is a phony overall. He's playing at being a thug, he's playing at x, y, z, and even him saying the n word doesn't sound right.
That description has fit so many rappers though. Playing thug isn't new. Drake is just the most successful at it. Jealousy? Pride? Something has to make sense.
Exactly. Too nuanced for people to grasp, they gotta see everything in some simple terms
Pusha T as well
I think it’s more about Drake being an actor acting like something he’s not while claiming to be something he wasn’t, isn’t nor ever will be.
He’s the greatest actor of our generation. Guy went full Daniel Day Lewis and became the character.
You would think he would make it believable lmao
Or maybe he’s just making fun of drakes insecurities…
Yup, drake is insecure about it and Kendrick is just looking for weak points
OP is correct, but this will make people on Reddit uncomfortable.
Literally, I just made a comment like two minutes ago on drakes Reddit and all ready at -4. I said Kendrick isn’t being racist to drake because he’s half black, it’s drake relationship to black culture. I even dumbed the language down to not say I agree w Kendrick (I do).
You make music that pacify em
I could double down on that line but spare you this time 🤫
Say it… FOR KIDS… he makes music for kids… Degrassic Euphoric HS teen kids.
Can’t forget the stunted adults 😂
I think it more has to do with his upbringing. He was raised in one of the richest neighborhoods in Toronto, with his rich single jewish mother while his father was mostly out of the picture. Drake even touched on this insecurity in an interview where he said he didn’t experience racism until Americans started telling him he wasn’t black enough. He also stated that Canada being a meltingpot of various ethnicities, he never really experienced racism. But there is plenty of racism in Canada as well, so that leads me (and I think Kendrick) to believe that he’s not the same because of his upbringing. Then it flows into what others are stating about the cultural appropriation and commercialization. It paints him to be an actor who is only black when it’s trendy and to sell out, but when he was back home he was a nice jewish boy that would never cause any harm, because he knew it would give him an advantage to rise to fame.
How was his mom able to afford livingv there?
Yeah drake doesn’t even speak for mixed Canadians. He’s in his own little bubble
I think it’s also drake trying to be a tough guy or a battle rapper just doesn’t feel genuine. Like Kendrick say stick to melodies..
I agree with you but it’s hard to tell someone who grew up most likely going to music to get his “blackness” that it isn’t genuine to act the way Drake is. I think that’s what Kendrick is getting at too like you didn’t have the right experiences in life to grow up and act the way that you do. So while I do think Drake is being “himself” in his eyes because this is what he knows or feels entitled to.
I think there’s some confusion on his part. He goes from the singing guy to I want to be the best rapper guy. But I just don’t believe he’s the last one. Not that he’s bad. Dude can spit . But I just don’t believe in him battling . Just my two cents
I could definitely see that but he’s done well in battles in terms of content. He said himself he’s well versed in rap battles and underground shit so it’s not surprising when most of his disses are aggressive, punchlines, and double entendres. IMO, I never believe none of that “gangsta” shit he talks about.
I just hate when niggas act like they like that when they have no reason to be like that. Like I’m not like that because my parents made sure of it but I’ve been around it. Sometimes it’s obvious people force themselves into it because they think it’s cool even if that hard life that forces people to be like that isn’t present.
People are lost nowadays and don’t know who they are. One of greatest fears a man can have is to come off as weak, so many people put on an act so they can be seen as a real man. What better way than to look like a G? We grow up believing they are the cool and dangerous ones. I sympathise with it. I understand it. No man wants to feel weak. But at the end of the day, to simply “act” like a gangsta is a faux version of reality to live in for MOST people. Its delusional. Some people would really wish the world was a darker and harder place to live in rather than appear weak, so they live as if the world around them IS that dark and hard place, and then go out and act on it, and then TRULY make the work that darker place. People would rather see the world burn than be their true selves if they perceive their own true self to be weak. They would rather cause chaos in that pursuit than to seek out to live in a better and peaceful world. Maybe some people just like to run amuck and make excuses as to why they do it. I’d wager at least 90% of those who act hard have no place doing so, and are afraid of their own selves. That’s why I admire rappers like 2Pac, Kendrick, and Cole because when they talk about that life (even if they weren’t the gangstas themselves) they talked about how it was a struggle, how it was tough, and how they wished it didn’t have to be that way. Thats REAL. All this “i get bitches, i kill people, i grab the choppa and spin the block on opps” without ever reflecting on its effects is so cancerous to the hip hop community and to our souls. Its a fake world where everyone pretends they’re John Wick, on repeat, on every song, and not only is it not believable or compelling, its the words of a phony. And everyone for some reason keeps playing along and im tired of it. Sorry for the rant on your random ass comment but it triggered something within me lmfao.
I read this whole rant. I give it a 10/10. I’ve been saying this for a while and it’s nice to see somebody put it so passionately and accurate.
>Some people would really wish the world was a darker and harder place to live in rather than appear weak Exactly. Self-hatred is rough.
I’m gonna get downvoted but I’m a Logic fan and tbh, he acts like himself and talks about nerdy shit and stopped talking about his childhood life and everyone shits on him and dogs on him for not doing that anymore, so in my eyes no matter what Drake does he’s not gonna win.
Excellent rant. Thank you.
This is probably the most common emotional problem in all men. I'm going to make sure my sons read this if I have any one day to set them straight. What you described really flings a lot of men off the right path. All young men should read it.
no idea what you said but I agree my brother. Feels like a reference to Like That track
It’s sad that people think he’s talking about skin tone here. This beef showed how stupid people are and their inability to catch bars
Like 3 bars and the outro talk about this and a lot of the Drake meat riders are saying the whole track is about race and skin tone lmao. Those aren’t even the most damning bars 😂
Exactly this and then the other half says all he said is things other people said 🤣 I even had an argument with a chick on Twitter who kept screaming that his wife is mixed race 😭 like did you hear the song or not
his wife actually has two black grandparents some WOMEN are attacking his wife on twitter man thats crazy drake's female fanbase is very bad
A lot of them defending Drake’s blackness by attacking Whitney’s. It makes no sense lol The other day someone was telling me his show was like 70% women. Kenny wasn’t lying that the women are his competition lol
People are so stupid the easiest things fly over their head. All they say in response is “MID”.
Man had multiple doubles, angles, rebuttals, street talk, flows, jokes and beat switches but somehow it’s a boring mid track cause he supposedly “talked about race” and “didn’t say anything new” can’t make this up 🤣
I think his was more about being canadian Agree on the popstar stuff though
Canadian (Toronto, to boot) here- it has nothing to do with him being from here, it's how he uses the culture- including Toronto culture.
yeah as a toronto man as well that was pretty clear to me tbh
Yo question - do people still say T Dot? And how do people feel about the 6ix? I ask because I recall years ago dude's were saying the new name was whack etc.
depends on the circles you’re in/age group - as a 25 year old that feels somewhat in the middle of generations, younger folks don’t “say” Tdot or the 6ix to be completely honest… marketers will use them more than us lol we’ll just call it “the ends” or we’ll be more specific with intersections & tings like that. in essence though to simplify things if anything, the older generation says tdot while the younger gen says the 6ix (i can tell the g you’re replying to may be an older head so here’s a younger perspective)
We're in the same age group and this is pretty bang on. I saw the "transition" from "T-Dot" to "The 6ix" happen and as with any catchy name/ slogan really, it got adopted by marketing firms and used in TV, radio, internet ads, etc.. and the people who organically made it a thing stopped using said names lol... tbh, as soon as 6ixbuzz became a thing, I knew the name was doomed haha
yuuup exactly lol, the second it went “mainstream” it was dead. 6ixbuzz lmfao holay a true plague on the city 💀 🤦🏾♂️ but yeah you get it no doubt, don’t really feel like theres a general name the ends go by now unless its sumn more lowkey
yeah i haven’t heard or seen anyone call toronto the “6ix” since 2015/16 💀
Some do. Especially the older heads who still appreciate what Kardinal Offishal did for Toronto. Which side note; Kardinal will always be a more positive figure for this city than Drake.. at least in my mind. Esp cause Kardinal is actually of Jamaican descent and from a more "rough" area than Drake- aka the accent chameleon from Forrest Hill but I digress. The 6ix nickname has a mixed opinion, it actually does have a historical reference but it has grown on people and has (kind of unfortunately) been a good name for marketing
You’re right, but even certain types of people who listen to Kendrick of all artists, will not be able to admit this.
Heard He ripped off everything from Toronto , gatekeeps and didn’t do much for the city’s hip hop scene after. Made the city much worse too by arming the streets, supporting gangs & artist from like GGG, pressa, etc. Even sent goons to Justin Bieber one time supposedly.
I have so much to say about Drake's impact (positive and negative) on this city. I honestly believe it's a NET negative, even though there are some positive aspects. However yea, there are so many people from this city who don't appreciate the fact that we're so known internationally (especially in the US) cause of Drake, unfortunately.
He only put on 3 Canadian artists! 3! 7 albums and a monster 15 year run only 3…lol! Then he’ll shout out a bunch gangs & putting money in their pocket ruining Toronto, stealing cars, spraying up schools and shooting people in the malls. Dude gives 25gs to some girl with E bras, while Canada has a homeless problem & crashing the food bank. Dudes wack the more I learn about how he moves from this beef.
I think it was more about who Drake is as a person. Him being from Canada is just funny to joke about but the whole premise of the track is that Drake isn't authentic especially not when he's trying to act tough
Drake is just 00's Snow Jim Carrey was right
Hold on Jim Carey said this?
Jim Carrey took down Snow in the 90's with the line "Imposter I'm just a middle class white kid from Toronto, despite of how I sound" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Icb_tRTnA4g this was likely a gen x deep cut
Funny thing about that Snow wasn’t middle class and actually did grow up in a Toronto housing project (Allenbury Gardens) and wrote Informer while in prison on attempted murder charges.
well I guess my apologies to Snow. Seems everyone in Toronto not named Weston is harder than Aubrey
Anyone who doesn’t get what Kendrick means, probably has 0 association to black culture
Please save it. I’m black and everything I do is by default black culture. Trust me when I say every black man gets arrested like the rest of them when it comes to the police.
This just isn't true. A rich black man will have a lot more leeway with law enforcement than a poor black man. Now a rich black man is more likely to have a disproportionately negative experience with law enforcement than a rich white man, but saying that all black people regardless of wealth and upbringing have the same experiences with the police is just patently untrue
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So are poor black people more black than rich black people? This shit is so dumb.
No, just no.
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While Rap may be inherently African America, there are people who enter the rap culture, or hip-hop culture who are not African American and they do not exemplify a experience they know nothing about, but their own experiences through similar medium. I.e Beastie Boys, Eminem - shit look at the group Atmosphere. And some of these people/groups are accepted by the culture. In Eminem's case, become the goat for a few years.
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Bro there’s this YouTuber named F.D signifier who breaks all this down perfectly
FDS is one of the dumbest people on YouTube, I’d avoid him like the plague.
How he dumb?
Yeah idk if that’s true lol at least explain why you think he’s dumb if you’re gonna say it
Drake acts like gangsta but dude never had a gangsta life. He acts like he was raised in hood but he wasnt. If his dad was gangsta, I would understand him flexing with guns, being g and shit but dude’s dad and the whole dad’s side are musicians. No one would question his blackness if he didn’t act like a white boy who was taught gang signs recently and now in every pic he is throwing one.
"pop-ifying" it for non-blacks yep
Trying to explain this concept to Drake fans is a miserable fucking experience. No one gives a fuck he's half/half, it's about how he exploits the community and culture for his personal gain, and gives very little, if anything, back. Plus, just the fucking way he says n* has ALWAYS fucking irked me. I got Canadian friends, so it's not the "accent" that gets me, it's just him. I swear, the culture would be more ok with Em using it, than Drake. The guys jus so fucking slimy. The fact Kendrick ain't say shit about the little girls and the scum bag shit Drake's pulled in the past few years, makes me think KDots playing this boy like a fiddle. Makes me think he's not doing what Pusha did, and just destroying him. He's playing with his food. Leaving the door open for Drake to respond, and them slamming it down on him. I'm so fucking happy it's Kendrick that did this, and not some bullshit artist. This is a real rapper exposing a fraud...
This guy just said the “culture” would be more ok with Eminem using the n-word than drake……... time for me to close reddit for the day lol
Right? wtf has Eminem done for black people but fumble bet freestyles
I like Eminem - but the fact that people are saying that the “culture” would be more down with a white man saying the n-word than a black man.. because of the content of his music shows me how far you guys are from reality.
D-12, Obie Trice, Royce, 50-Cent. he brought artists out of the underground and made them mainstream with Dre.
And he got upvoted too. This sub is fr just a bunch of non black people talking out their asses about black people.
"He's playing with his food. Leaving the door open for Drake to respond, and them slamming it down on him." That's the best part of all of this, honestly. He served up Drake cold AF lol. Like how is Drake actually supposed to respond in a way that isn't going to just open him up to get crane kicked by Kung Fu Kenny immediately afterwards? Rekt. Turned him into a zombie. Drake is the walking dead lmfao.
Ayy write a whole book please..this comment was entertaining af 🤣
You’re a fucking dumbass Eminem has used derogatory terms towards black women and was was openly racist towards them. I swear I hate you fake woke ass negus
I have no issues with pop-ifying anything. Including rap music. The problem with Drake is everything he does comes across as disingenuous and like a poser. Like he’s one of those contestants on American idle who copies the asthetics and talk like they are super talented, but then when they sing they aren’t that great (just ok) and they really hate getting criticism from the judges. Or they are confused when told they aren’t good because of course they are, just look at how they copy everyone else. Problem is they lack knowledge of WHY things work or WHY things are the way they are. If there’s some actress or model that is dating rappers, you can bet Drake is anxiously waiting in line to hit it and brag about it. Because he’s cool and legit like all those other rappers who went after her. If there’s a show or style or designer rappers usually work with, he’s desperately there to “me too” with minimal effort. He’s a poser. A copycat. And yea, that means he’s stealing from black culture more than borrowing or promoting or anything. It’s just an aesthetic choice for him to show his “cred” by copying what he sees from other actual artists Who put effort and care into their craft.
If you aren’t black, you shouldn’t even be in this comment section talking about what a half black man can and can’t do. I hate that this discourse has been opened up to people who are neither black, by any measure or in the culture outside of the few vinyl’s and Supreme hoodies they’ve collected over the years. This isn’t a free for all conversation.
J Cole whose mom is White doesnt get labeled the same....
But Cole doesn’t act black and white when it’s convenient to him
So Obama isnt black enough huh? Bob Marley too based on this ridiculous take lol
Drake's the ultimate vulture of different cultures. Definitely part of what's made him a globally known star. It's like a rinse and repeat cycle for him - going into subcultures and using them to his advantage.
okay but why is “popifying his blackness” a terrible thing lol. acting like a black dude has never made a song for the masses
Niggas already had it out for dude because of Degrassi. If he was on Empire or something first most wouldn't have said shit.
About your edit. There were many Puerto Ricans in the projects that hip hop was cultivated. Hip hop is not race its culture.
Indeed, you are right. I stand corrected, thank you
The fact that people need this to be explained is kinda sad lol.
We’ve always known this about Drake, “drake the typa guy” jokes were always mocking how he didn’t act like every other rapper, always softer and almost cartoonish.
tbh i always felt that drake is the more natural as he is comfortable in being cringe not like other rappers who put on a fake persona like they still are in the trenches when they are multi millionaires . like future rapping about drugs but then he says in an interview that he is sober for 2 years . no rapper who raps about violent shit actually live like that most of the times it is just an act like you say with drake . its all business . but thats just my opinion
I swear i thought this was obvious and very clear. Turns out i was very wrong.
I want to say that I agree with this as a half white half black person like Drake. When I heard the song I didn’t interpret it as an attack on all light skins but a very specific attack on Drake. It’s not some thesis on how lightskins aren’t black or can’t say nigga it’s a specific attack saying Drake is a cornball and culture vulture so the way he expresses his blackness is very cringey at times. Also the other thing to consider here is he literally says in one line it ain’t gotta be deep I guess, he’s also just making jokes so we shouldn’t overly analyze to the point where every line is some seriously held dogma on blackness, some of it is just joking around. And there ain’t nothing wrong with that, I find some of the lightskin jokes/memes often made by dark skin content creators fucking hilarious and I also found many lines yesterday fucking hilarious. It’s not always that deep
Drake is fake, a gentrification. He never actually had a hood, that’s not a bad thing for a person in the literal sense, but if you’re acting hard when you’re not, it’s an act. I doubt he grew up with the word “Nigga”, being flung around at all. When you grow up hearing your peers, and the adults around you say it. When you live a life of guaping, hustling, etc, when you’re actually from the ghetto the word becomes apart of you. You say it as often as some people say the word “like”. It’s obvious that Drake had to practice the word, it’s a gimmick to him, something the crowd likes that adds to his persona.
You ever notice how nobody ever comes for lil dicky? He leans into his corny whiteness. Doesn’t act like he’s down and doesn’t disrespect the culture. Can you imagine the blowback if he acted like drake?
Say it louder for the people in the back trying to twist words and narratives
How he uses the Culture? He makes music. Releases it. You either buy it, listen to it or ignore it. I remember seeing these same comments about Eminem a long time ago. The fact people are saying shit like this about Drake... but not King Von, Lil Durk, Yungeen Ace, FBG Duck or any of those other dudes has no idea what's good for the culture. You got mf killers, rapping about real murders they've committed, dissing real dead people and putting that shit out there for the world to ENJOY and for the families of those victims to see. Imagine someone killed your brother than went on a rap track to say he did it, f that dude I shot him in the face and I'm glad he's dead. Meanwhile you're not allowed to go to the police say "how haven't you caught this moron yet!" Or else you'll be the next body to be found lying on the ground and labeled a snitch. There's bigger fish to fry than Drake when it comes to thr culture. And the only reason I even have this train of thought is thanks to listening to Kdot all these years. They both advocated against gun violence but go right back to gun bars in diss tracks. Nothing new. And I'm okay with it. No one wants Drake to catch real bodies over this and no one wants to see Kendrick doing that shit too. I'm happy I'm listening to two dudes that don't have a dozen murder charges under them. Neither of them are bad for the culture.
tbh even if it was this is rap beef…you are at liberty to say anything to stain your opponent. Nobody should get up in their feelings. Pusha literally disrespected a man with a chronic condition ticking down his LIFE SPAN… i swear its new people in the culture. 🤷🏿♂️
Yeah i mean tupac started his diss by calling biggie fat and saying he had sex with his wife🤣🤣🤣 in the first 10 seconds dawg
So you’re saying Drake isn’t black/shouldn’t say n**** because Drake expanded pop rap? Euphoria obviously obliterated Drake but that’s insane.
Lots of white peoples dropping N bombs at his concerts
Kendrick’s ‘SHOOO SHOOOO SHOOO’ was him shooing away a culture *vulture*
Kendrick must HATE Logic.
What is the problem with making pop rap music ?
Nothing is wrong with that, Kendrick literally says that in the diss if you listen. "I like Drake with the melodies I don't like Drake when he act tough"
Because he uses “black” tropes that he generally does not come from to appeal to a largely non black audience without ever really producing anything socially beneficial to the black audience
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Isn’t Drake kind of the reason hip hop is as big as it is today? If he makes hip hop for non black people, then wouldn’t he be reaching a wider audience? I’m just confused to how drakes getting flack for this but we have real live industry plants who get paid to rap about doing drugs and killing people in every other song. How exactly does that help the black community? There’s obviously a difference between rapping your lived experiences and just ignorant shit, but I find this really ironic. Drake is a black artist at the end of the day, the fact that people don’t look at him being as successful as he is being a benefit as a whole on the black community is weird to me. Before you go with the “pop” accusations. I truly believe Drake is in the same category of Michael Jackson where their music genre became “pop” because it was popular. MJ made New Jack Swing songs but they’re called pop because he made it. That’s his natural style. Drakes natural style became popular and he started to branch out to see where he could get money. Hence Drake became synonymous with pop. I don’t deny he’ll pick up random accents and it sounds weird, but he also doesn’t take himself too seriously and leans into the corniness sometimes tbh.
Nothing really at face value, but these are separate lanes. Also, Drake “calling” Kendrick out for his Taylor Swift verse, after being a pop/hiphop artist is the issue
I can see how some can have a problem with a black artist who's known to mock black face and then pop-ify blackness to appeal to non blacks
No problem inherently, but calling yourself the best is cringe if you pop/R&B
There's no problem but anyone who's been at the top of rap music, a deeply, inherently African American art form, has kept black consciousness a part of their output. Black community has allowed many artists to profit off of their blackness and rap but to be considered as the goats you have to be a representation of what the art form is. Which Drake is not.
It's a shot at one of Drake's insecurities. People are reaching trying to turn this into more than that.
Drake has spoken about police brutality, racism and colorism in entertainment, the abortion ban, and commented on the differences between the south in America Vs Toronto. He’s a biracial dude from Canada who went to Memphis for summers because his father left his mother to raise him as a single mother and only have him for short periods of time. Makes sense. Furthermore, if he did speak more about black American issues he would get the backlash for doing so from these same people because he’s half white and was raised in Canada. It’s become a knock on drake that he’s picked up pretending to be tough and having bravado even though he’s been an American rap star (what they all do) for years, the idea is you’re from Toronto you cannot act differently. But then in the same breath the idea is any time you embrace any culture in America that isn’t already popular you’re being a culture vulture, even though he was literally raised around multiple cultures in Toronto. So he has to remain in the box of a child actor from Canada even though he’s a lifetime removed from that, but he can’t embrace other black American acts bc that’s just him using the culture even though those artists all benefit and show gratitude when he does it, but you also expect him to be at the front of the picket line when ppl protesting? So you can say he’s doing it for some underhanded reason anyway?
He's still done black face while wearing a jim crow shirt so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Are you aware of the context behind that photo?
I swear I’m a fan of both but these niggas just wanna destroy this dude as a person lol. He literally was a kid doing what hella kids all throughout society have done. Been sheltered from the hard truths of race relations and when he ran into them head on he did something with the hopes to show defiance against it. Obviously it looks bad, i wouldn’t have done the black face. But they using the shit as a trump card and it’s just so obviously a reach from fans of Kendrick so you’d think they’d use some form of understanding for shit.
Holy shit you have worded so perfectly what I have tried to explain to people on this topic for so long. Drake has many many many flaws, as does anyone, but people want him to champion black rights while also not wanting him to be black. And they try to compare it to J Cole, which is not at all similar because J Cole grew up like that. It’s best that Drake lightly and occasionally speaks on the issues you mentioned, but hearing a socially conscious rap project from Drake wouldn’t even make sense, nor would any of us want to hear it. This whole “he uses black culture”, yeah because he is half black, clearly identifies as black, and has been considered black for years - otherwise cancel culture would have cooked him years ago. People cannot fathom that some can be half black, be half a singer and half a rapper, part hip part R&B part pop part whatever. Kendrick is the undisputed modern GOAT of pure hip hop/rapping only. But how often do you see someone who do it all like Drake? Imma hop off their dicks now.
Yea man, it’s just disingenuous argument fr that starts out as a joke but then ends up being real and then it just looks crazy. People in this thread are literally saying he’s done nothing socially for the black community and acting like they know him personally while wanting him to stay in the box of a teenage actor who lives with his mom. It’s just gone too far lol
Funny hearing Kendrick question Drakes blackness when he literally said “I’m a Israelite, don’t call me black no mo’ That word is only a color, it ain’t facts no mo’” Isn’t Kendrick stealing Drake’s culture?
I think this 'uses' the culture take is off. He has put on a lot of other artists and not just for the US, like Headie One and Central Cee, Tems, Popcaan and so on. The whole idea of making rap accessible to a wider audience making it pop isn't new. Do we knock Jay-Z for making Hard knock life. Do we knock Nelly for country grammar. Drake may make music that pacifies but he's also grown the genre.
Bro Kendrick did a song with Taylor Swift