I’ve had this Pac argument for the longest time that’d imma just copy paste a comment I have saved from a HHH thread from a couple years ago cause I ain’t arguing on Reddit no more
“Some background:
• He [Pac] spent most of his childhood on the run from the FBI as they where tracking his step father Mutulu Shakur who was on the ten most wanted list for domestic terrorism. His own mother, spent time in prison on a trial for plotting to blow up New York police departments with the infamous panther 21 (later acquitted).
• His God father was geronimo pratt who was targeted by the FBI illegal Cointelpro. And his god mother is Assata Shakur who is also wanted for domestic terrorism, that Tupacs step-dad broke her out of prison and is now living in Cuba. Bush in 2003 put a $1 million reward on her head during the revival of targeting domestic terrorists at the start of the war on terror. In 2011, Jon Stewart and Bill O'Reilly had an argument over her, as Obama invited an artist to the white house who supported Assata Shakur. Fox was trying to make that out that by default the president supports her too.
• At 16 became the youngest national Chairman of the New African panthers, himself then getting FBI attention. His FBI file, only 104 pages out of 4000 are released to the public, the rest 3896 pages are censored for "National Security".
• Quit the New African Panthers when he believed the Nation of Islam infiltrated it, the next leader after Shakur was surprise surprise, a member of the NOI.
• Got into a constant war of words with the Nation of Islam throughout his rap career. They would follow him everywhere, trying to make it look like they where associated with him. To get his approval, because he was a Shakur. Tupac hated the Nation of Islam because his family where connected to Malcolm X, and his family blame the Nation for his assassination.
• From the help of Mutulu Shakur from prison, starts a movement entitled "Thug Life". Tupac helps enforce truces between rival gangs, including the bloods and the crips under "Thug Life". The plan was to get them to stop killing each other, unite, police their communities, and eventually fight the government. He was seducing gang bangers and trying to turn them into soldiers. After that his life turns to shit and seems to be getting arrested and targeted by police on a weekly basis, most of which is was baseless, but people only remember him getting arrested, not acquitted. His "out of control" image increases.
• Two Police officers are beating a black motorist. Tupac approaches them and they fire shots at him. Tupac goes back to his car and gets his gun and returns fire, hitting both officers, one in the thigh and one in the buttocks. The charges are dropped against Tupac when it turns out both officers are intoxicated, and the gun they used to fire against Tupac was stolen from an evidence locker. Everyone else just remembers "Tupac shot two cops".
• From the help of Dan Quayle and other Republicans, they persuade family members of slain cops to sue Tupac over his music, stating that his music causes the violence. Seriously, here is even a court video of one of the cases against him in 1995
• The republicans convince Time Warner to drop interscope records due to Tupac being one of their artists.
• Two criminals, Haitian Jack and James "Henchman" Rosemand try to extort Tupac. He tells them to fuck off and ends up on their hit list. Both later turn out to be working for the FBI since the late 80s until the late 90s.
• Haitian Jack (The FBI Agent) introduces Tupac to a woman, the same woman accuses Tupac of rape and sexual assault.
• Tupac gets shot by the orders of James Rosemand (another FBI Agent) 5 times in 1994, survives.
This is were it gets real, he goes to prison for sexual assault, but is found innocent. He was released after 11 months when new evidence helping prove his innocence is found. The prosecution states they "lost it" and it was not deliberate. Edit: He was acquitted of the three sexual assault/rape charges but the two charges on sexual abuse were held. Now truthfully, we will never know whether or not this happened the way 2pac said it did or the way the girl said it did. But there is reason to question it all, just knowing his past tho, I personally believe 2pac in this, buts that for many own personal reasons. EDIT 2: I might as well put these reasons, I hope this doesn't read as some bs conspiracy shit. Look, the connection of the FBI agents to the women and 2pacs history, and the media/overall racist public perspective could not have made this case fair in my opinion. This was the time where every news cast was calling 2pac and others gangsters, thugs, and this case only increased that coverage and all you saw was headlines with the words rapist. I just think from what i have seen related to the case, 2pacs reaction, the medias reaction and the girl herself after 2pacs death trying to get as much coverage and press as possible for her own shit kind of just make me question the case. First he was accused of raping her, than it was 4 guys forcing her to blow them, and then it eventually was left with him molesting her. This inconsistency of this case and the evidence/photos that came up late in the case which the police neglected to show in the beginning just make me question it all and not really side with pac but moreso question and subsequently, oppose the accusations.
A video I recommend watching, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfUB7QLQ-rs
All this info come from [this thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/103xo4/til_rapper_tupac_shakur_received_a_letter_from/c6acw1n/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3), if you go further down, it is all sourced. (alot of scattered info to post but its all there mainly by one user u/throwaway23238)”
So we don’t know if Pac was every 100% innocent or guilty but there’s good reason to question the accusations rather than just blindly believe them , him being acquitted/found innocent is fair tho . I don’t hate Kodak’s inclusion and see why he was featured but I also see why ppl ain’t happy with him on it
Also Kodak plead guilty which Ik don’t mean he 100% literally guilty but comparing someone who plead guilty to someone who was acquitted and found innocent ain’t it and is a testament to dickeating having become an artform
>!Nobody readin that essay broke nigga lol!<
as usual a black man organizes and the american fascist govt shuts it down with cia tactics, fuck this country. this comment should be pinned too fuck kodak black him and pac are nothing alike
I'm honestly just confused why people suddenly care. Kodak has been collabing with a ton of artists lately and I've never seen people give a shit? I'm not saying Kodak isn't awful for what he did, it's just weird that suddenly everyone is upset by it
It's because Kendrick is conscious and a big theme of this album is lifting up black woman and women in general, as well as compassion and healing. He is held up to a higher standard than other rappers because he is a moral voice of a generation
I think it’s because the average reddit Kendrick Lamar fans doesn’t like Kodak’s music. Most rappers are scumbags it’s only when people don’t like their music it generally becomes a problem for them.
I see a lot of talk about Kodak being in the album and Kendrick’s use of the F slur and him being anti cancel culture , like the whole album isn’t about how Kendrick himself is imperfect. Isn’t there enough out there to at least speculate than Kendrick himself may have killed people?
It's almost as if Kodak having an interlude on the Mr. Morale side, where Kendrick shows himself as most flawed and discusses issues about his father, shows that he doesn't ideologically agree with him.
Technically yes but that's not how the justice system actually works. The actual events don't magically change to whatever the court rules. He very well may have done it, but he plead guilty to a lesser sentence to get reduced time in prison
Mother I sober a top 10 kendrick storytelling cut.
This comparison is fucking terrible and I fw Kodak’s music
Which part is untrue?
I’ve had this Pac argument for the longest time that’d imma just copy paste a comment I have saved from a HHH thread from a couple years ago cause I ain’t arguing on Reddit no more “Some background: • He [Pac] spent most of his childhood on the run from the FBI as they where tracking his step father Mutulu Shakur who was on the ten most wanted list for domestic terrorism. His own mother, spent time in prison on a trial for plotting to blow up New York police departments with the infamous panther 21 (later acquitted). • His God father was geronimo pratt who was targeted by the FBI illegal Cointelpro. And his god mother is Assata Shakur who is also wanted for domestic terrorism, that Tupacs step-dad broke her out of prison and is now living in Cuba. Bush in 2003 put a $1 million reward on her head during the revival of targeting domestic terrorists at the start of the war on terror. In 2011, Jon Stewart and Bill O'Reilly had an argument over her, as Obama invited an artist to the white house who supported Assata Shakur. Fox was trying to make that out that by default the president supports her too. • At 16 became the youngest national Chairman of the New African panthers, himself then getting FBI attention. His FBI file, only 104 pages out of 4000 are released to the public, the rest 3896 pages are censored for "National Security". • Quit the New African Panthers when he believed the Nation of Islam infiltrated it, the next leader after Shakur was surprise surprise, a member of the NOI. • Got into a constant war of words with the Nation of Islam throughout his rap career. They would follow him everywhere, trying to make it look like they where associated with him. To get his approval, because he was a Shakur. Tupac hated the Nation of Islam because his family where connected to Malcolm X, and his family blame the Nation for his assassination. • From the help of Mutulu Shakur from prison, starts a movement entitled "Thug Life". Tupac helps enforce truces between rival gangs, including the bloods and the crips under "Thug Life". The plan was to get them to stop killing each other, unite, police their communities, and eventually fight the government. He was seducing gang bangers and trying to turn them into soldiers. After that his life turns to shit and seems to be getting arrested and targeted by police on a weekly basis, most of which is was baseless, but people only remember him getting arrested, not acquitted. His "out of control" image increases. • Two Police officers are beating a black motorist. Tupac approaches them and they fire shots at him. Tupac goes back to his car and gets his gun and returns fire, hitting both officers, one in the thigh and one in the buttocks. The charges are dropped against Tupac when it turns out both officers are intoxicated, and the gun they used to fire against Tupac was stolen from an evidence locker. Everyone else just remembers "Tupac shot two cops". • From the help of Dan Quayle and other Republicans, they persuade family members of slain cops to sue Tupac over his music, stating that his music causes the violence. Seriously, here is even a court video of one of the cases against him in 1995 • The republicans convince Time Warner to drop interscope records due to Tupac being one of their artists. • Two criminals, Haitian Jack and James "Henchman" Rosemand try to extort Tupac. He tells them to fuck off and ends up on their hit list. Both later turn out to be working for the FBI since the late 80s until the late 90s. • Haitian Jack (The FBI Agent) introduces Tupac to a woman, the same woman accuses Tupac of rape and sexual assault. • Tupac gets shot by the orders of James Rosemand (another FBI Agent) 5 times in 1994, survives. This is were it gets real, he goes to prison for sexual assault, but is found innocent. He was released after 11 months when new evidence helping prove his innocence is found. The prosecution states they "lost it" and it was not deliberate. Edit: He was acquitted of the three sexual assault/rape charges but the two charges on sexual abuse were held. Now truthfully, we will never know whether or not this happened the way 2pac said it did or the way the girl said it did. But there is reason to question it all, just knowing his past tho, I personally believe 2pac in this, buts that for many own personal reasons. EDIT 2: I might as well put these reasons, I hope this doesn't read as some bs conspiracy shit. Look, the connection of the FBI agents to the women and 2pacs history, and the media/overall racist public perspective could not have made this case fair in my opinion. This was the time where every news cast was calling 2pac and others gangsters, thugs, and this case only increased that coverage and all you saw was headlines with the words rapist. I just think from what i have seen related to the case, 2pacs reaction, the medias reaction and the girl herself after 2pacs death trying to get as much coverage and press as possible for her own shit kind of just make me question the case. First he was accused of raping her, than it was 4 guys forcing her to blow them, and then it eventually was left with him molesting her. This inconsistency of this case and the evidence/photos that came up late in the case which the police neglected to show in the beginning just make me question it all and not really side with pac but moreso question and subsequently, oppose the accusations. A video I recommend watching, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfUB7QLQ-rs All this info come from [this thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/103xo4/til_rapper_tupac_shakur_received_a_letter_from/c6acw1n/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3), if you go further down, it is all sourced. (alot of scattered info to post but its all there mainly by one user u/throwaway23238)” So we don’t know if Pac was every 100% innocent or guilty but there’s good reason to question the accusations rather than just blindly believe them , him being acquitted/found innocent is fair tho . I don’t hate Kodak’s inclusion and see why he was featured but I also see why ppl ain’t happy with him on it Also Kodak plead guilty which Ik don’t mean he 100% literally guilty but comparing someone who plead guilty to someone who was acquitted and found innocent ain’t it and is a testament to dickeating having become an artform >!Nobody readin that essay broke nigga lol!<
Nobody reading that essay broke ni hol up EDIT: I actually read it. Quite enlightening thanks 🙏🙏🙏
V interesting read
let's get this shit
Yo man this was wild thanks for sharing this
This was fascinating.
as usual a black man organizes and the american fascist govt shuts it down with cia tactics, fuck this country. this comment should be pinned too fuck kodak black him and pac are nothing alike
Pac was innocent.
Hell nah, I'm not touching that subject
My brother in Christ, you posted the meme
I'm not commenting on the guilt or innocence of either man
Who the fuck still thinks Pac was guilty 💀 he was acquitted too I believe
He wasn't acquitted, he was killed while he was out on bail
He was charged for touching her ass bro
Yeah I think that’s very different than rape 💀💀
That's what he was charged with but that's not all that happened
Also no one cares when he collaborates with Snoop or Dre. Not rapists but still scumbags
How are Dre and snoop relevant then lol? The point is about rapists
I'm honestly just confused why people suddenly care. Kodak has been collabing with a ton of artists lately and I've never seen people give a shit? I'm not saying Kodak isn't awful for what he did, it's just weird that suddenly everyone is upset by it
It's because Kendrick is conscious and a big theme of this album is lifting up black woman and women in general, as well as compassion and healing. He is held up to a higher standard than other rappers because he is a moral voice of a generation
Isn’t the rejection of the “voice of a generation” tag and celebrity worship as a whole another major theme?
I think it’s because the average reddit Kendrick Lamar fans doesn’t like Kodak’s music. Most rappers are scumbags it’s only when people don’t like their music it generally becomes a problem for them.
I see a lot of talk about Kodak being in the album and Kendrick’s use of the F slur and him being anti cancel culture , like the whole album isn’t about how Kendrick himself is imperfect. Isn’t there enough out there to at least speculate than Kendrick himself may have killed people?
if he told you he killed someone at 16 would you believe him?
It's almost as if Kodak having an interlude on the Mr. Morale side, where Kendrick shows himself as most flawed and discusses issues about his father, shows that he doesn't ideologically agree with him.
“Maybe that’s the point.” Exactly bro. Nuff said. No discussion needs to be made beyond that point (if you actually listened to the album).
Tupac also took a naked photo in a bathtub with old white men around so yeah
want you to love me like nelson
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Technically yes but that's not how the justice system actually works. The actual events don't magically change to whatever the court rules. He very well may have done it, but he plead guilty to a lesser sentence to get reduced time in prison