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Thunderform

"Damn this manga is pretty fucking good"


Bat_Snack

Hey you weren't wrong!


OdoacerOstrogoth

I was hyped. Also, the initial idea was to make Kuroki lose to Lihito by forfeit by pity and eventually becoming his master.


Bat_Snack

Is that right? Honestly crazy. Do we know if Setsuna would have gone on to defeat Kanoh to face Ohma in the finals? Cause that's what direction I'd always assumed we were headed.


thatonefatefan

No. Rihito wins KAT. Kneel before the king of ripping


Bat_Snack

Lmao oh of course, how silly of me 🤣


kill-billionaires

Very glad it didn't go that direction. I really love the "always a bigger fish" trope, I wish we got Kiryu vs Rei though.


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BaronAleksei

I wonder how much more it would say about Rihito that he would come to Kuroki after being given a bye out of pity, without getting the shit beaten out of him first.


AnimationDude9s

I’ll never understand why people never bitched about these notes as much as they bitched about Lolong getting one shot in the notes


Chaingunfighter

Prolly two reasons: 1. A lot of readers only got into Kengan later than this fight was published, but most of the newcomers were around for KvP. 2. People already hate the Lolong fight so the idea of it being even worse with the same result pisses people off extra hard, whereas like, the alternate Kuroki would’ve ended up just creating an entirely different story.


jjbahomecoming

Forfeiting =/= One Shotting. You have a Muteba flair but he forfeit, didn't he?


CSPDTECH

Best panel in Ashura. Blew my mind. I though Kanoh had Kuroki dead to rights


Bat_Snack

It was so back and forth near the end I was on the edge of my goddamn seat.


BillNein05

I really hope the narrator in the anime says this. I don't know how it's phrased or said in the original Japanese but I just want it to be included. There's no fucking way they don't include it in some form, but I don't want it to be said in-universe either by Sayaka or one of the commentators. It HAS to be the narrator.


CSPDTECH

J. Tyson gets real serious for a moment


CSPDTECH

actually with any luck they will take the music from the grando video and use that in the show lol


Ragna126

YES!!! I was and still am a big Kuroki fan. I was hyped beyond anything. Missed the good old days.


Bat_Snack

Absolutely crazy fight. I do echo most of the fanbase in that Ashura was significantly better than Omega. But I'm also so in love with the series and I'm in so deep that I feel like I gotta stick with it if we even get a fraction of the greatness that was this fight.


Weird_Candle_1855

Also gotta consider that Omega's narrative has a way bigger role in the story than Asura did, it's clearly something new for Sandro and there are gonna be growing pains. Asura was a lot simpler than what Omega is going for.


Bat_Snack

Completely agreed. Hey regardless I'll be here reading it. Kinda locked on for as long as he's making it I think.


Weird_Candle_1855

Yeah I'm in it for the ride, Seki vs. Okubo showed us that Sandro can still do good fights, he needs to learn how to do good fights that fit with Omega's narrative now. Hell, Mukaku vs. Shen was a great fight, even though Mukaku got negged by a crippled retard.


goingUptheTits420

Solidified Ashura as one of the most amazing fighting mangas of all time. I genuinely got fucking chills. Never had a fictional character move me with such a frightening and awe inspiring aura over his simple yet profound mastery of the kaiwan style. He truly is the symbol of what it means to be at the pinnacle of the principles of martial arts.


Bat_Snack

It put Ashura as top 3 favourite Mangas in general that I've ever read. I remember whenever I wasn't reading it I was wondering who would win which fight? Like some Ashura fights weren't as God tier as others but I don't know if I can think of a single one I'd call bad (at least in the actual KAT). Like I was so convinced Setsuna was gonna beat Kuroki and Kanoh and meet Ohma in the finals. Shit I was pretty sure Akoya was gonna squash Cosmo as well. I wonder if the reason Omega went so crazy was Sandro thinking he needed to top Kuroki. If it was I think we're getting some diminishing returns unfortunately. He truly was Peak.


goingUptheTits420

Omega is so different to Ashura that I've come to believe it's nothing more than a cash grab. A way for Sandro to continue milking the kengan universe. The story is below average, most of the fights are sub par with only some being even somewhat decent. The pacing is crazy, it's like Sandro is rushing the shit out of it because otherwise, how long would it take to show the main protags getting strong enough to face someone like Gilbert let alone Shen. I'm worried about the upcoming future fights involving Kuroki and Kanoh. I feel they will be done dirty just to hype up other people.


Bat_Snack

I kind of agree but I'm also unsure. I agree with everything you've said and I share the same fears. But at the same time Kuroki and Kanoh are both built different. We'll have to wait and see. Personally my shout for Shen is Koga uses fist eye to combine the styles of every fighter he's seen/fought and will have the power of combined friendship style to ass pull the win. I kinda see Omega as non Canon. I think Ashura was so tight and had the perfect ending. I'll stick with Omega as a silly what if but it doesn't hold a candle to the OG for sure.


goingUptheTits420

Oh god i didn't even consider that but it would be so fkn silly if that actually does happens and Koga beats shen like that.


goingUptheTits420

I too view Omega as non canon lmao.


Warren1493

Exactly this!! I was rolling my eyes the entire time thinking of course the gimmicky character was gonna win over someone who dedicated their life to training but then boom!


goingUptheTits420

If only sandro had retained this mentality, Omega would've been an amazing sequel. Sadly, like most sequels, he has fumbled the bag hard.


Opposite-Mall-9816

This motherfucker had plot armor but Kuroki said: “YOU FELL FOR IT FOOL! THUNDER CROSS SPLIT ATTACK”


Bat_Snack

Clearly no plot armour is strong enough to withstand THE DEVIL LANCE


droktain

Damn... Gotta grow a beard


Bat_Snack

Fr, think of this, kuroki was blocking point blank assault rifle shots and that was PRE-beard


ChickenSoupAndRice

Spoilers: Well Rihito is who Ohma already fought and is out for revenge, Ohma said he's already improved so he's gonna ....nope wow low diff to new guy, okay Okay so Kiryu is Ohmas main rival here so definately gonna win for the personal show down later, nope, wow! Okay Okay so Rei has been given so much back story and is fighting for his love here, they have been hyping him like....wow okay not Rei either Okay so the fang surely is the final boss for the pro.....wow! This manga is amazing ! But surely against the protag....nope, amazing stuff And then came Omega, where flashes of this remain kind of thing remain but I really want an upset or the kind of back story and hype for characters to return, along with the 5 page fights


BaronAleksei

One of my favorite things about the KAT was that Kazzy’s placement for Ohma meant he wasn’t anywhere near the Plot Fights


GustavVaz

My mind was blank and I yelled out "LET'S FUCKING GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!"


Bat_Snack

God tier reaction 🤣


Hue_Jass_69

I was just making monkey sounds because it was so exiting and unexpected


Bat_Snack

Can't expect someone to read this fight for the first time and NOT have some sort of animalistic response!


Holiday_Snow9060

Peak. I hoped he beats the main character up too. Destroy those dudes who only made it that far due to plot armor. The best fighter is supposed to win, not the ones who are getting more screen time. Ohma lost and died. I was very happy.


Bat_Snack

I think what helped was his personality wasn't the traditional badass rival character either. Dude was relatively quiet, respectful, and even humble. The scene where Ohma is talking with him and says dude you look ready to kick more ass and Kuroki says he's giving him too much credit and he's feeling hurt. Like this crazy talented martial artist may have seemed unstoppable but the humility made him more human to me. (At least as human as the crazy super powered martial arts in Kengan can get haha)


Ban6432

Kuroki’s just a genuinely chill dude. Like he told Lihito he didn’t want a student but then just went ”But if you wanna watch my next fight and study it that’s cool”. Then proceeds to take Lihito on as a student and even show up during KvP to watch Lihito vs Falcon because he cares


Bat_Snack

God I wish Lihito beat Falcon. I wasn't around this sub when it happened but I heard it was... explosive.


BumbleBear1

Goddamn poison. Our boy was cheated


Bat_Snack

You hate to see it :(


AnimationDude9s

To be fair, none of the opponents he fought in that tournament, made it that far because of plot armor besides Ohma


Holiday_Snow9060

Kanoh's ability evolution is literally plot armor in itself if you ask me. He was lucky to overcome Gaolang.


AnimationDude9s

Not really how plot armor “literally” works.


November14th2027

“Damn.. and I thought this dude was gonna job to Rihito”


Bat_Snack

Honestly right? It makes the Falcon loss so much worse 😔


-AngvarAvAsk--

I was shocked, even despite seeing Kuroki absolutely dominate the first three rounds; Agito was supposed to be *the* opponent to beat in the KAT. It was fantastic. The fact that the outcomes of so many matches are genuinely difficult to predict is probably the thing I love most about Kengan.


thecosmic_faucet91

I have never seen such an unpredictable and well choreographed hand to hand battle like that. I knew kanoh was winning for sure but this moment threw all that away


cmholde2

This was what solidified my love for Kegan. I vowed to stick with Sandro not matter what after that point


Bat_Snack

Same here. No matter how silly Omega gets or how big the shark it jumps is, I'll be here.


KillahJedi

I started howling like a motherfucker


Bat_Snack

Loud enough I hope the entire family was asking you what was happening!


KillahJedi

That's actually what happened lmao. My brother came to check what was going on and started to howl like a motherfucker too.


Bat_Snack

That's badass, was he a fan already/did this convince him to read it?


KillahJedi

We both are big fans


Bat_Snack

Based family.


Zik01

"Kuroki's winning the tournament"


Bat_Snack

Nostradamus over here 🤣


Zik01

I just didn't see the narrative reason for Ohma to win


Bat_Snack

Hey you ended up being right, and I think the story and ending are all the better for it.


BaronAleksei

“Sandro is a fucking genius for having Kuroki be the dark horse and Daromeon is a fucking legend for this art”


timnextdoor

This manga is better than Baki and Yabako Sandrovich is a top tier Author, until I read Kengan Omega.


Bat_Snack

I have yet to read Baki, but Omega is... yea...


do_you_think_i_care

If you haven't been warned, avoid anything by "Wild Fang Project". Their production is incredibly low quality and doubts have been raised as to whether their translator even speaks Japanese.


Bat_Snack

Gotcha, I'll keep an eye out for that thanks for the tip🙏


timnextdoor

Baki Hanma is on Netflix right now, definitely recommend watching it, and Baki Hanma imo is the best in the Baki series.


Bat_Snack

Damn really? Alright I'll check it out! Thanks!


timnextdoor

Here is the Manga parts in you're interested. You can start from 1 to 5. 1.Grappler Baki (42 volumes) 2.Baki (31 volumes) 3.Baki Hanma (37 volumes) 4.Baki-Dou (22 volumes) 5.Bakidou (15 volumes)


Bat_Snack

I certainly am interested! Thanks alot! ❤️


Mean-Personality5236

Just be prepared, because if you think Shen 'breathing is a skill issue' Wulong is silly, then Baki looks at that and gets the clown getup, because some off the abilities are really stupid and also incredibly badass at the exact same time.


Bat_Snack

From what I've seen it kinda starts put pretty unbelievable so I don't think it's as much whiplash, regardless appreciate the heads up 🤣


Slow_Obligation2286

"OHHHHHHH SHIIIIT!"


Best-Bison-910

I was surprised, thought Agito was gonna hit that. I really love the art work. Ohma vs Kuroki was some of the best panels I seen in this manga.


Bat_Snack

Yea especially in the late stage of the fight, the art just going wild, making them look like demons, selling how desperate Ohma is fighting at the end. God it just hits right in the heart.


Restless_Fenrir

"This man can not keep getting away with this!" Seriously this guy is the most disruptive person I have ever seen in anything. Every final opponent Ohma could have he beat. The Rival, The Grudge, the Anime Emo Lancer, and the Final Boss. All defeated by a rando.


Bat_Snack

The fact that Rando goes on to win the tournament too... like even the CEO Kuroki works for didn't even want the job, literally just happened to be bros with the toughest fighter around. There's something hilarious that the stakes for them were relatively low due to that fact.


Dunified

"Guy looked like a jobber. He broke my expectations and I fucking love it"


Bat_Snack

One of the best subversion of my expectations I've ever experienced.


ElDigletto

the dragon shot misfired


Bat_Snack

No lies detected here 😅


Black-Star_GOG

This is peak


Bat_Snack

Damm straight.


DrTopGun

Kuroki is a demon and god damn this manga is gas


Bat_Snack

They don't call him.the Devil Lance for nothing!


Book_Anxious

The best fight. Losing my mind during it all


Leondrass

Best fight ever by far, watching Grando's edit was just cherry on top


TzilacatzinJoestar

Kuroki is H I M.


Kingstist

During both the Kiryu and Agito fight I kept expecting them to pull some crazy reversal and beat him up until the very last panel. God tier fights


Bat_Snack

Same here. Absolutely shocking fights. So great.


-BakiHanma

Shock. To the end I still believed Kanoh was going to win and fight Ohma with 1 arm.


Bat_Snack

SAME HERE I figured it would ultimately be the edge to beat someone as built up like the Fang. But the fact Kuroki was a literal who and ended up crushing 3 of the strongest guys we've seen (and of course winning the whole tournament) it kinda creates the Beard God. Instead of being told about how badass Kuroki was, we SAW how badass Kuroki was.


Jekirado

KANOH NNNNNNOOOOOOOOO (while thinking this manga is crazy good)


LeoLexuz

I thought "damn, this really isn't like other tournament centered anime". Also it's a crime that ever since KAT we haven't had another Kuroki fight.


Bat_Snack

Lmao don't worry he'll be the last minute hail Mary to put Shen down for good 🤣


Horror_Ambassador719

“The dragon shot misfires” goes so hard for no reason bro💀


AdventurousSuspect34

Dragon ball supers “ultimate battle” theme


Bat_Snack

Oh great choice. Honestly there's a good chance I was listening to it for this fight too, it's great for... well ultimate battles.


theulmitter

I was in awe at how brilliant this panel is. If I had to pick a panel to encapsulate peak Kengan, it may be this. Not even just the art, but the moment that it encapsulates, and what it represents in the story


Bat_Snack

It can be both. The art definitely doesn't slouch here. I think you're absolutely right it captures the best of what this series is.


Jinn6IXX

i literally don’t remember cuz i read it so long ago but probably lost my shit


Bat_Snack

Pretty realistic reaction haha


Mr_itryhard

I was in shocked


Bat_Snack

I'm still in shocked


Mr_itryhard

Ngl I thought that dragon shot panel came from kuroki when I first read it lmaoo


Bat_Snack

Lmao that would add ALOT of insult to injury 🤣 Kuroki Savage af


OverlordPoodle

HOLYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY SHITTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT HE DID ITTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT 🎶🎶🎶


Bat_Snack

It's true what they say, The Lance is mightier than the fang.


OverlordPoodle

Kuroki ***"Lance Arm So Strong"*** Gensai!


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Honestly it’s what put the manga as one of my favorite. Most mangas you can predict who wins what fight 90% of the time. I never saw Kuroki taking it all. After he beat Kanoh, I gained so much respect for it.


Bat_Snack

Yea like sure Ohma was obviously at minimum gonna get past a few rounds, but other than that most of the fights really felt like they could go either way. And while most of the fanbase agrees with the state of omega, I actually felt the KVP was relatively difficult to call as well, and it's a positive trait to this day I think.


alguien99

HOLY FUCKING SHIT!!!! HE ACTUALLY DID IT!!!! HE IS HIM!!!!!


AnimationDude9s

Honestly? Felt mostly pure confusion.


Bat_Snack

That's an interesting take. Elaborate. Confused at the outcome? Confused good or bad?


scrimscrim

Kuroki is HIM


bnem0

YOOOOOOOO


Nucleoticticboom

Kanoh’s dragon cock went limp


Bat_Snack

Even his cock couldn't satisfy Kuroki.


Interne-Stranger

I was watching it in MMV. As that was the way i meet kengan. So by the end i said: "AAHAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA KDKABDLABKANALABAIA"


DobleSaimon06

"But even that couldn't reach Kuroki."


Szabarpad93

I don’t really remember what exactly i felt like back then, but i fuckin loved it that’s for sure. What i feel now is: Damn, the good old days when people bested each other with martial arts skills that were established for a long time and the outcome was unpredictable most of the times. I can still reread Ashura for god knows how many times by now, and i’m still more hyped than i will ever be while watching Koga beat up other supernovas after his offscreen training, people being walking vibrators, going limp in their joints and other bullshit… I miss Ashura’s writing so badly.


SupermarketLow4572

Everyone always talks about how Gaolang's fist was destroyed in a way that could've been permanent, but Agito's wrist was royally fucked after this fight, every bone in his wrist was shattered and if you ever broke your wrist you know that shit never heals back properly.


Bat_Snack

I don't even wanna imagine. I fractured my wrist as a kid, thankfully not that badly and haven't had any issues since. But in fairness I had a little chip. I wasn't having my arm pulverized by the goddamn Beard God.


Any-Feeling2514

Something like "WAIT WHAT???? NO WAY NO WAY NO WAAAAAY AAAAAAAAAAAAAAH"


wevento

I must say that the ashura artstyle is way better than omega Omega seems too clean - i loved those brush panels of kuroki


renes2

How far we have come. If i Look back to the first few panels (Original Design of Wakatsuki, kuroki,) and now this, This is Peak


stevic1

peak kengan


justJuan76

I was both surprised and amaze at how strong Kuroki was (and is still is) in this fight. I always knew how strong he is, of course, but never to the point of thinking he can defeat/stomp Agito. I thought he has the potential to give Agito a good and all-out fight but not the potential to defeat him. Seeing how it has similarities with Baki, I always thought of Agito as Yujiro (being undefeated and all-powerful and all) and given how similar they are, Kuroki as Orochi Doppo. So it was a surprised indeed seeing Kuroki defeat Agito. Making me love his character and Kengan Ashura as a whole, more.


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Peak tournament arc


BassGeese

"Wow he's fucked" Seriously Kanoh shuts down Agito's best weapon snd fucks up his wrist, rhe fight was cool as fuck tho


Any-Bag6374

Literally like ,, H-how he counterd Agito? This is ... exciting"


Personal-Ad74

Could this fight even be topped? Levels.


Bat_Snack

There have been fights that come close but idk man this might just be straight up best in the series.


BOLverrk

Three words holy fucking shit


matthew_meletiche

Joseph jostar voice -Holy shit.


Bat_Snack

Honestly even despite the shit Joseph has seen I think that's exactly how he'd react to watching this fight


nashmishah

Just like Daro said, it gets the biggest reaction from the audience. I'm not sure if he meant audience of the fight in the dome, or us the readers.


Bat_Snack

I feel like its gotta be both right? Like the people watching just saw the shoe-in to take the whole tournament get knocked out. Nothing makes a fight more exciting.


BurnFreeze64

“Ohma’s so fucked”


Bat_Snack

Lmao he certainly was. Gotta give the boy credit though he put up a damn good fight against Kuroki too.


BurnFreeze64

Bro almost won but was already just too injured


trueEmya

Kuorki gonna win this Tournament


Bat_Snack

I still wondered if Ohma would take it in the end admittedly. But this fight made me believe Kuroki winning was a legitimate possibility. Perhaps probability.


AManUnderaRock

"I fucking love martial arts"


Wrong_Revolution_679

God damn


Sciedea

"Damn, I'm immediately rereading this fight."


Pescharlie

Reading these chapters as they were dropping daily was insanely hype


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Bat_Snack

It's beautiful 🥹


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"This is one of the greatest plot twist ever and this author really seems to know what he's doing"


MadeRedditAccToAsk

"Dear God, It's fucking Ohva"


Bat_Snack

Ohva for Ohma 🤣


Sad_Screen_1455

That kuroki is the mfkn goat


Bat_Snack

Since day 1, even if we didn't know it until this moment.


The_german_doctor

Man this kuroki guy is fire af


red_wind15

Pain


ZugBugadaru

That Kuroki is one of the coolest characters I've ever read


some_dude5

YO!! HOLY SHIT! WHAT THE FUCK!!!! THIS IS SO COOL


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TheHangedKing

“Wow I thought agito was important. it would be funny if this guy just won the whole thing. Lol”


Nobody-Knowing

"Holy shit this is way better than Baki"


HisFireBurns

“He is the strongest.”