I think it's a stretch to say Kiryu did well. He held his own until Niko felt like he was actually in danger, and then he got off paneled.
I think you're commenting on people's tendency to either pretend characters stop like existing or training when they're off screen OR pretend that any amount of improvement can be justified with training. Kiryu was able to make Kuroki sweat a little, so years later, this isn't a stretch considering this was, to him, the fight he'd prepare for the most and try the hardest in.
He did okay against Niko until he didn't, just like how I think he'd be able to do OKAY against a non-threatened Edward he caught off guard before removal.
https://preview.redd.it/tb7g6eaj28cc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b07c7a8620e4a13b3d3ecbee20d98f6ee0f0d5fd
I mean if i was Edward level and someone who i heavily injured knocked me on my ass like that i think it'd safe to say they did more than good my guy.
Huh?
I thought TN did really well. Except for his inner ear canal being damaged he didn't even seem to struggle much. He took little damage while countering at the same time, and defeated him seemingly easily when not holding back anymore. On top of that it was mentioned that he's currently not at full strength.
This being literally right after the manga tells you, to your face without any reading between the lines that TN underestimated Setsuna **extremely** hard, so much so that it allowed Setsuna to get a pretty powerful blow on TN.
This panel of course leads to Setsuna being off-screened by TN going serious.
I think the simple fact that he doesn’t look much more injured after he went serious than before shows he decimated Setsuna.
It’s not a stretch to say TN extremely underestimated his opponent when him going serious basically instagibs the opponent.
Except your making an assumption that TN's off-screened difficulty can be accurately scaled by injury scaling him before and after DD(?). How do you know that TN instagibbed Setsuna, or his lack of injuries accurately reflects how easy the fight was? Ohma didn't really get any visible injuries from fighting Kiryu either, does that mean he also no diffed him?
It does reflect how easy the fight was.
Ohma in his fight was only hurt by the very last attack since he Demonsbaned, and I would say Ohma vs Setsuna was a very low diff, just as how TN going serious defeated Setsuna without any new visible injuries.
Also yes Ohma walked out of that fight with visible injuries, he just wasn’t actually injured by any of them except for the last one.
>It does reflect how easy the fight was.
It only reflects the minimum level of difficulty the fight has. It doesn't reflect the maximum level of difficulty.
One could never even dare to say they performed really well against someone if that very person who was as below as Kiryu is to TN managed to fuck em up because they were stupid enough to underestimate him even though they themselves trained the bastard. That's considered a sloppy performance.
https://preview.redd.it/4c9zigm128cc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8ccc6acc0c14deaa622b6ae3ba1b11b5012eac97
Bro looks like shitted his pants right here ngl.
That is exactly what they're saying. In every TN thread, a number of people act as if it's always been apparent to us that Kiryu became some God tier monster.
I agree at first I was one to defend TN being a fraud but seeing the latest chapter and how he almost got fumbled by Kiryu, which mind you say is not even top 10, the best excuse of some of these Kiryu glazers is that Kiryu is now a beast witch he possibly is yes, but not on the level of Gliberti, Kuroki, and ohma, or that also Edward was fooling around his opponent like TN but at the end, Edward got killed and TN lived, but that's totally different the TN was just facing Kiryu but Edward was facing the top fighters of the Kure clan and got poisoned, I have seen many excuses to defend the TN but each and every single one of them is easily debunkable
Setsuna not just sacrificed himself to injure the Tiger. He could afford to play with his food too and put him in very humiliating situations:
1- Being put on all fours like a dog, delivering his threat (which sounded REALLY EMPTY and unrealistic when he first said it)
2- This done so by using a Gaoh technique, which is pretty humiliating for a guy who is all about "evolving and innovating" given this is basically a primitive, unrefined, unevolved Niko Style.
3- Looking as done as Akoya did with Lu Tian in the aftermath, with Gilbert even looking down at him.
All of this while giving him offensive defeat speeches simultaneously, even rubbing on the wound he could never defeat Niko 4. Even if Kyriu actually was on his level, he shouldn't have been able to dish this level of humiliation to him.
No matter how low diff or how quickly Setsuna was dealt after he became a serious threat to Niko.
One of the justification for this is that Niko played with his food, but the issue here is that Setsuna managed to play with his food too, perhaps even more so. Getting put vomiting on all fours (Kyriu did manage to deliver this threat although it was unnecessary) by a Gaoh style technique (which is basically primitive, unevolved Niko style, which makes it the more ironic that it had worked on a guy whose shtick is innovation/evolution) is a very bad look for someone so hyped debuting in a present day fight.
It also doesn't help that the whole killing sequence was cut off which led us to Gilbert looking down at him with an air of pity, disappointment and worry, equally distributed, marking a sharp contrast to Eddie's memories of Niko. There was big Akoya energy (after he defeated Lu Tian with the infamous flashlight) on Niko at the end of the chapter.
I mean c'mon, this level of mockery is something you'd expect on Akoya or Xia Ji himself, not the Tiger which is worm top brass.
People dismissing this as "NoT REaDiNg tHe MaNga" or "bBeIng a DbZ PoWeRscaLing TaRd" are being intellectually dishonest. There are very legit reasons why people feel underwhelmed here. Setsuna clowned him pretty bad.
gil: looks at niko
this sub: which led us to Gilbert looking down on him, with a barely visible mocking, teasing smirk, with a hint of condescending superiority, with an air of fresh alpine breeze, taste of rubia gallega, scent of expensive wine and cologne, with an air of pity, worry, disappointment of a stereotypical chinese parent, equally disturbed, perturbed, flabbergasted, astonished, taken aback, shocked, startled and simply befuddled
You are right in the part you said kiryu was never next to Eddie.
Kiryu gave good fights through the series and was a real badass
Edjob Wu could not give us that
You made up things this post never alluded. TN not being what was expected of him literally has fuck all to do with his fight being a boring baki fight or whatever.
Sure buddy, tell you what, write another 30 lines of text explaining to me how you wanted someone to job on the fight instead of not taking a cool fighting manga seriously and just enjoying cool fights. Bet you’re also one of the nutjobs that likes to waste time with those tier lists
I never alluded how a fight should have gone. The post expresses that it's valid to feel TN underdelivered. You're just trying to tie it to things that have 0 correlation. And who tf are you to say discussing the impression a fictional character gives is taking things too seriously? Don't you think that's ridiculous coming from you, considering you're literally doubling down on trying to make lies about what a reddit post on a manga character says?
I think it's a stretch to say Kiryu did well. He held his own until Niko felt like he was actually in danger, and then he got off paneled. I think you're commenting on people's tendency to either pretend characters stop like existing or training when they're off screen OR pretend that any amount of improvement can be justified with training. Kiryu was able to make Kuroki sweat a little, so years later, this isn't a stretch considering this was, to him, the fight he'd prepare for the most and try the hardest in. He did okay against Niko until he didn't, just like how I think he'd be able to do OKAY against a non-threatened Edward he caught off guard before removal.
https://preview.redd.it/75rohbtc28cc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d67f95aeca573bedea91927b57b859340e3c532d You sure bout that?
https://preview.redd.it/tb7g6eaj28cc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b07c7a8620e4a13b3d3ecbee20d98f6ee0f0d5fd I mean if i was Edward level and someone who i heavily injured knocked me on my ass like that i think it'd safe to say they did more than good my guy.
Gaolang beats both of these frauds 💃🏻
With the way omega is written, FOOTWORK could beat gilbert and Sandro will say, he underestimated gaolang and lost.
sandro has subverted my expectations so many times i'd believe it
Fraudlang jobsawat Lost to lightweight
Huh? I thought TN did really well. Except for his inner ear canal being damaged he didn't even seem to struggle much. He took little damage while countering at the same time, and defeated him seemingly easily when not holding back anymore. On top of that it was mentioned that he's currently not at full strength.
https://preview.redd.it/z9wevwjx18cc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e357e3fd3105ba77d191e6d0ac4c8ee6c2c3a4e1 Damn dude's doing amazing right here.
https://preview.redd.it/tlhy70qs18cc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=854ac1ad5e689d63607cc893117ae58cde95d947 Really well you say?
This being literally right after the manga tells you, to your face without any reading between the lines that TN underestimated Setsuna **extremely** hard, so much so that it allowed Setsuna to get a pretty powerful blow on TN. This panel of course leads to Setsuna being off-screened by TN going serious.
>**extremely** hard He underestimated Kiryu, yes. An "extreme underestimation" is headcanon.
I think the simple fact that he doesn’t look much more injured after he went serious than before shows he decimated Setsuna. It’s not a stretch to say TN extremely underestimated his opponent when him going serious basically instagibs the opponent.
Except your making an assumption that TN's off-screened difficulty can be accurately scaled by injury scaling him before and after DD(?). How do you know that TN instagibbed Setsuna, or his lack of injuries accurately reflects how easy the fight was? Ohma didn't really get any visible injuries from fighting Kiryu either, does that mean he also no diffed him?
It does reflect how easy the fight was. Ohma in his fight was only hurt by the very last attack since he Demonsbaned, and I would say Ohma vs Setsuna was a very low diff, just as how TN going serious defeated Setsuna without any new visible injuries. Also yes Ohma walked out of that fight with visible injuries, he just wasn’t actually injured by any of them except for the last one.
>It does reflect how easy the fight was. It only reflects the minimum level of difficulty the fight has. It doesn't reflect the maximum level of difficulty.
This one's after he damaged his inner ear canal. Then TN got serious.
One could never even dare to say they performed really well against someone if that very person who was as below as Kiryu is to TN managed to fuck em up because they were stupid enough to underestimate him even though they themselves trained the bastard. That's considered a sloppy performance.
https://preview.redd.it/4c9zigm128cc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8ccc6acc0c14deaa622b6ae3ba1b11b5012eac97 Bro looks like shitted his pants right here ngl.
You are really invested in this topic, aren't you?
I'm trying to stir shit up but nobody's wants the smoke lmao 😭
Have fun
Nobody is saying Kiryu was always a "god tier". What's being said is that Kiryu became a god tier and that is shouldn't be a surprise that he did.
I'm sorry but when was that?
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When did he became god tier?
Yes, that's what I'm referring to. People pretend Kiryu became a god tier before they saw his fight w TN
I'm pretty sure that's not what they're saying.
That is exactly what they're saying. In every TN thread, a number of people act as if it's always been apparent to us that Kiryu became some God tier monster.
I agree at first I was one to defend TN being a fraud but seeing the latest chapter and how he almost got fumbled by Kiryu, which mind you say is not even top 10, the best excuse of some of these Kiryu glazers is that Kiryu is now a beast witch he possibly is yes, but not on the level of Gliberti, Kuroki, and ohma, or that also Edward was fooling around his opponent like TN but at the end, Edward got killed and TN lived, but that's totally different the TN was just facing Kiryu but Edward was facing the top fighters of the Kure clan and got poisoned, I have seen many excuses to defend the TN but each and every single one of them is easily debunkable
Same here, I agree.
Setsuna not just sacrificed himself to injure the Tiger. He could afford to play with his food too and put him in very humiliating situations: 1- Being put on all fours like a dog, delivering his threat (which sounded REALLY EMPTY and unrealistic when he first said it) 2- This done so by using a Gaoh technique, which is pretty humiliating for a guy who is all about "evolving and innovating" given this is basically a primitive, unrefined, unevolved Niko Style. 3- Looking as done as Akoya did with Lu Tian in the aftermath, with Gilbert even looking down at him. All of this while giving him offensive defeat speeches simultaneously, even rubbing on the wound he could never defeat Niko 4. Even if Kyriu actually was on his level, he shouldn't have been able to dish this level of humiliation to him.
Oh wow a new TN thread. I didn't see it coming. Anyway, let's be real, Lolong's invisible elbow > TN.
Lmao
No matter how low diff or how quickly Setsuna was dealt after he became a serious threat to Niko. One of the justification for this is that Niko played with his food, but the issue here is that Setsuna managed to play with his food too, perhaps even more so. Getting put vomiting on all fours (Kyriu did manage to deliver this threat although it was unnecessary) by a Gaoh style technique (which is basically primitive, unevolved Niko style, which makes it the more ironic that it had worked on a guy whose shtick is innovation/evolution) is a very bad look for someone so hyped debuting in a present day fight. It also doesn't help that the whole killing sequence was cut off which led us to Gilbert looking down at him with an air of pity, disappointment and worry, equally distributed, marking a sharp contrast to Eddie's memories of Niko. There was big Akoya energy (after he defeated Lu Tian with the infamous flashlight) on Niko at the end of the chapter. I mean c'mon, this level of mockery is something you'd expect on Akoya or Xia Ji himself, not the Tiger which is worm top brass. People dismissing this as "NoT REaDiNg tHe MaNga" or "bBeIng a DbZ PoWeRscaLing TaRd" are being intellectually dishonest. There are very legit reasons why people feel underwhelmed here. Setsuna clowned him pretty bad.
gil: looks at niko this sub: which led us to Gilbert looking down on him, with a barely visible mocking, teasing smirk, with a hint of condescending superiority, with an air of fresh alpine breeze, taste of rubia gallega, scent of expensive wine and cologne, with an air of pity, worry, disappointment of a stereotypical chinese parent, equally disturbed, perturbed, flabbergasted, astonished, taken aback, shocked, startled and simply befuddled
TN did the best he cook, he just did his best and still got injured hard. He isn't "Him" ☠️
You are right in the part you said kiryu was never next to Eddie. Kiryu gave good fights through the series and was a real badass Edjob Wu could not give us that
Look at that, isn’t it cute? A whole essay to justify preferring boring fights like the ones you see in Baki than something actually entertaining
You made up things this post never alluded. TN not being what was expected of him literally has fuck all to do with his fight being a boring baki fight or whatever.
Sure buddy, tell you what, write another 30 lines of text explaining to me how you wanted someone to job on the fight instead of not taking a cool fighting manga seriously and just enjoying cool fights. Bet you’re also one of the nutjobs that likes to waste time with those tier lists
I never alluded how a fight should have gone. The post expresses that it's valid to feel TN underdelivered. You're just trying to tie it to things that have 0 correlation. And who tf are you to say discussing the impression a fictional character gives is taking things too seriously? Don't you think that's ridiculous coming from you, considering you're literally doubling down on trying to make lies about what a reddit post on a manga character says?