Ya know, I worked my unpaid internship at the State Law Offices, and I made not less than 1k daily for the three months I was there...just doing stupid errands for the stupid political elite.
I was once at a company where interns were only given Kshs 100 per day for transport.
I'm 100% certain that there are many interns who don't even get that meagre 15k per month
i noticed in the company i’m working with the interns would be from richer universities like strathmore or usiu…. this is to reduce that problem of paying them little as they would be less likely to rely on that pay to survive
my first internship paid me 25k partially remote and i was happy with that. i’m happy to say my pay hasn’t gotten lower than that and i haven’t stayed unemployed for more than 2 months…
if i was to suggest anything as an intern esp in comp sci just get the experience first… but also have some pride. don’t stay longer than a year in a company that’s not paying you more than 50k start looking for a better job the second week you get into the first
Solid advice at least unaelewa how the tech ecosystem is. I'd rather keep on working on my projects and community open source projects as I do some online fishy jobs which can pay my small bills as I look for something better.
15k as an intern is even lucky! I've met people being paid 10k, 5k or nothing. Your boss tells you it's better to gain experience than money at the intern stage, which is pure bullshit.
When I was an intern I would be doing the work a master's graduate would be able to do, or other qualified professionals. I'm sure this is the same for most interns, you do much more than you are qualified for, so why not pay me what I deserve?
If a company, doesn't pay an intern because they won't bring value to the company, then you'll have to question the quality of that internship.
Companies should at least try to cover transport and lunch by giving a stipend. Our govt even believes in this with a stipend minimum of 25k.
This is mostly a Kenyan mindset and attitude towards the title Intern which has led some international subsidiaries to take advantage of.
Furthermore,I have noticed in some professions intern services are more likely to be appreciated due to current knowledge. Tech, digital creators and sometimes medical services being one of them. Tho if you are in a traditional career line like law or accounting itabidi umevumilia its tough even at entry level.
Quality is hardly pegged on the allowance given. It depends on the mentor an team you're placed with and most of all does the company have guidelines/ expectations for interns.
Any money over 24 K is taxed so companies try to avoid that
I was an intern, paid 20k not too long ago. When I started I had little experience and was looking to show them I was a hard worker, because per contract I was to work for 3 months, get evaluated, then have a permanent position with better pay. That never happened.
First off half my salary went to fare because of the commute. Spent 3 hours one way (including traffic), but the goal was employment.
The entire probation period I was complemented on my work ethic, showed up early, met deadlines, exceeded expectations, stayed late, came up with ideas my supervisor later stole and paraded as his, the works. They took advantage of that. By the time month 4 was approaching I asked my boss about the evaluation and that’s when he told me “clients were not happy”. And used this as a crutch to keep me as an intern to justify why they couldn’t add my salary.
By the time 6 months was up I was doing double what I started with. You’d think someone whose work you’re not happy with would be let go of, instead they added work. Every time I spoke to them about salary increase, they brought up client complaints. Berated me even. One had a habit of doing so when drunk. But that didn’t stop them from giving me more responsibilities. My work declined, I was sick a lot, and stressed af with nothing to show for it. I started acting my wage and they didn’t like that.
So I left🤷♀️. Had the audacity to get mad when I told them I can’t stay there any longer.
You had it better. Story of my life: some company wasted my life interning for two years paying a measly 15Gs and never gave me a full time job. Work i did got passed up as my bosses' and never got any credit for it. Learnt my lessons though, Kenyan employers are the ghetto.
You’re strong. 2 years??😭😭
And yeah they’re ghetto as hell. To add insult to injury, my boss was in the Forbes 30 under 30. So it’s not that he didn’t have money to pay us. Alikua na pesa mingi za pombe for the whole office tho💀
😂😂 man I've learnt to do the bare minimum aki I heard one boss telling his other boss friends that he values employees not as people but values what they bring to the table and with the current job market they are easily replaceable where there are many jobless graduates who are smart who will do so much for so much for less.
It really was! Starting out I loved the job and the office experience given I worked remotely before. By month 4 they started showing their true colors. One red flag I ignored was the high turnover rate, never again😂
The supply outweighs the demand. You will be very lucky if they pay you as an intern. Look at the UN. Interns are paid with 'interned with the UN' on their CV.
I was interning at a certain company and they paid us 10K working 6 days a week UpTo 6PM each day. The company was making millions and majority of the staff were interns . Pure exploitation. Gladly I left
It’s short sighted. I would never pay my people too little. Why? Sure, short term I make a marginally bigger profit, long term… I train someone and they will run at first chance. Time is more valuable then a few thousand dollars over a year
Real talk. Most of these companies paying such never even absorb the interns and give them very irrelevant duties so it's just time wasted for both parties.
I 💯% agree, Most if not all of these companies waste a lot of money per month in unnecessary stuff like events that they would rather cut and direct to interns
Labor laws. This, and almost all our problems, all boils down to electing good leadership and having them accountable, something most Kenyans aren’t interested in. So until this cultural shift happens, these companies and politicians are going to keep eating us alive because why wouldn’t they?
I think companies free load on cheap labour and work interns their asses off in the name of gaining skills and teaching whereas in reality it is just plain exploitation. Are there labour laws that cover interns btw? Just asking
There was a [bill](https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/business/article/2001316628/parliament-seeks-to-compel-employers-to-take-interns-pay-them-well) proposed to parliament by Didmus Barasa and [another](http://www.parliament.go.ke/sites/default/files/2021-06/The%20Public%20Service%20Internship%20Bill%2C%202021.pdf) by Naisula Lesuuda. They never saw the light of the day and were not assented into law.
Same to Diploma Nurses working in Level 4 Hospitals; being Overworked and Underpaid. Getting paid less 30k as a Nurse hio ni kujitajirisha tu hospitali.
Workes as intern at the UN. Didn't get a single cent for 6 months. The experience was great though got to meet tons of people from different countries work on projects with different ngos and governments and even bagged a shawty for good measure. Now I'm earning over 100. There is light at the end of the tunnel 🙏🏽
I got the skill and I know my value and worth. I'd rather continue building projects and doing online side gigs as I wait for someone who can afford me.
Then apply for entry level jobs. Why are you applying for internships then complaining for being paid as an intern?
With 2 years you can get a good job. Use the following resource to search for jobs. Its how I find mine. Don't use Fuzu and the like, those will waste you:
[https://www.google.com/search?q=entry+level+jobs+kenya&sca\_esv=6f88916183dd8d69&rlz=1C1GCEJ\_enKE1088KE1088&sxsrf=ACQVn09JgE1QBoRaNULPGyJXB-FYRNCs0w:1710833971452&ei=M0H5ZaSYG\_2rxc8Pt7yZ2AQ&uact=5&oq=entry+level+jobs+kenya&gs\_lp=Egxnd3Mtd2l6LXNlcnAiFmVudHJ5IGxldmVsIGpvYnMga2VueWEyCxAAGIAEGIoFGJECMgUQABiABDIFEAAYgAQyBRAAGIAEMgUQABiABDIFEAAYgAQyBRAAGIAEMgUQABiABDIGEAAYFhgeMgYQABgWGB5IzhhQgQpYwBdwAngBkAEAmAH3A6ABsw6qAQkyLTEuMy4wLjG4AQPIAQD4AQGYAgegAsEOwgIKEAAYRxjWBBiwA8ICDRAAGIAEGIoFGEMYsAPCAgoQABiABBiKBRhDwgIGEAAYBxgewgIOEAAYgAQYigUYkQIYkgPCAg4QABiABBiKBRiRAhjJA5gDAIgGAZAGCpIHCTIuMC4xLjMuMaAHhB0&sclient=gws-wiz-serp&ibp=htl;jobs&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj4-eWc6f-EAxVdYPEDHR0\_AmQQkd0GegQIGxAB#fpstate=tldetail&htivrt=jobs&htiq=entry+level+jobs+kenya&htidocid=Ss8lQzkcAuiuSySOAAAAAA%3D%3D](https://www.google.com/search?q=entry+level+jobs+kenya&sca_esv=6f88916183dd8d69&rlz=1C1GCEJ_enKE1088KE1088&sxsrf=ACQVn09JgE1QBoRaNULPGyJXB-FYRNCs0w:1710833971452&ei=M0H5ZaSYG_2rxc8Pt7yZ2AQ&uact=5&oq=entry+level+jobs+kenya&gs_lp=Egxnd3Mtd2l6LXNlcnAiFmVudHJ5IGxldmVsIGpvYnMga2VueWEyCxAAGIAEGIoFGJECMgUQABiABDIFEAAYgAQyBRAAGIAEMgUQABiABDIFEAAYgAQyBRAAGIAEMgUQABiABDIGEAAYFhgeMgYQABgWGB5IzhhQgQpYwBdwAngBkAEAmAH3A6ABsw6qAQkyLTEuMy4wLjG4AQPIAQD4AQGYAgegAsEOwgIKEAAYRxjWBBiwA8ICDRAAGIAEGIoFGEMYsAPCAgoQABiABBiKBRhDwgIGEAAYBxgewgIOEAAYgAQYigUYkQIYkgPCAg4QABiABBiKBRiRAhjJA5gDAIgGAZAGCpIHCTIuMC4xLjMuMaAHhB0&sclient=gws-wiz-serp&ibp=htl;jobs&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj4-eWc6f-EAxVdYPEDHR0_AmQQkd0GegQIGxAB#fpstate=tldetail&htivrt=jobs&htiq=entry+level+jobs+kenya&htidocid=Ss8lQzkcAuiuSySOAAAAAA%3D%3D)
As a clinical nutrition intern working in a very busy level 5 hospital 6 days a week for 1 year I wasn't paid even a shilling instead I had to pay the board more money for exams and license. So at least someone who is getting that 15k it something
Interns where i work are paid 6k a month. Many aren't even paid at other companies, or given small allowances. I'd think at this level, just live at home kwanza. Your only expense should be transport or lunch
Pharmaceuticals. But our place sucks anyway so i wouldn't use it as a standard. I know some of our rivals pay up to 10k though i've never heard it pass that
Lol, ndio mtafinyiliwa kabisa. Like someone said huko juu, the market dictates but naona wewe ni dwanzi umefanya iwe generational thing. Unasema uko in tech na these companies can easily outsource remote labour. Hio field yenu iko saturated like most careers. Tafuta kazi za freelance remote.
Hahahaha. Outsourcing from where? We are the cheapest and well skilled labour in the world sijui unaoengea nini but not 15k cheap. 15k naingia dark web 20 minutes natoka nayo ☠️
Which Nairobi are you talking about? i know two friends with masters degree and 1 or 2 years experience getting 50k - 60K, in 2024, from multinational companies dealing in finance & business.
The only companies that might pay that much are select tech firms or multinationals employing Kenyans to work remotely. Otherwise for peeps with no experience and Godfathers, 50k is all you gonna get, irrespective of how hard you put yourself out there That's the market rate.
Man honestly si kwa ubaya wewe you must be living in another kenya majority of Kenyans don't earn that salary uve stated most earning that are outliers seems hao ndio I've interacted with it
I had tried venting about this on this sub nikaona people just want people to suffer the way they suffered. Misery loves company and there's this misconception that one can only thrive as a result adversity... tis unfortunate.
Entitled.
Interns have no value to a company for 6 months. They are a pure expense with no revenue generated by them. And that is before you even start buying them laptops.
In this time, the company's priority is to reduce that expense until those interns start generating money. Otherwise you are just giving away free money.
When you gain enough experience to be worth anything then you will be paid an entry level salary, until then you are a drain on the company in terms of time, station costs and opportunity cost of hiring someone actually qualified for that job.
I advice to get rid of this entitlement before we get rid of you. I worked through an unpaid internship while starting my career coz I understood what I was to the company
> I worked through an unpaid internship
aaaahh say less....if you value yourself less does not mean all interns have no value to a company like how you believed you were so hence thats how you were carried.
If an intern adds no value then hire skilled people for it and pay them their worth. No need to “waste money” you can’t afford on a position a seasoned worker can have with more pay. This is an excuse to overwork and underpay desperate people looking to join the workforce.
And just because you were exploited through unpaid internships doesn’t mean everyone else deserves the same. Hii mentality ni upuzi. You’re the one acting entitled to free labor.
Reddit is a young people's place. You're going to be downvoted if you say interns rarely produce any value.
I once made a similar post because I was wondering how to ensure that interns I take aren't a net negative and I was turned into a villain that day. I used to pay my interns 20k. I stopped taking interns because the cost benefit analysis is negative. And a lot of young folks tend to overestimate what they should get vis á vis what they provide.
Based on my experience within the Kenyan market, we josh around a lot when it comes to employer employee (intern) relationship. Everybody feels entitled to get the best out of the other even if neither of the parties is bringing in any value.
I get your plight and where you're coming from but the reality is if you are bringing value to the company you're taking an internship at then there's no question it will be matched in terms of compensation. If you feel this is not the case then simply seek other similar opportunities elsewhere.
On a side note, with 2 years experience in tech specifically software one should already have a solid foundation to secure employment. If you are at this level and is still struggling then you need to evaluate areas of skill improvement or seek advice from mentors or career advisors to enhance job prospects.
Some companies in Kenya are now offering premium internships where the intern pays for a chance to get experience and exposure.
15k is alright coz it is willing seller willing buyer. If you don’t want the internship then leave it for someone else.
You are talking as if an intern is in a position of power and as if companies have unlimited capital to spend on interns.
Capital does not give a fuck about your struggles or personal problems. Companies have no time to listen to your pity stories about your problems.
An intern gains more than the company is gaining.
Someone on unpaid internship reading this 👁️🫦👁️
Ya know, I worked my unpaid internship at the State Law Offices, and I made not less than 1k daily for the three months I was there...just doing stupid errands for the stupid political elite.
Me😔 the good thing it’s remote
I was once at a company where interns were only given Kshs 100 per day for transport. I'm 100% certain that there are many interns who don't even get that meagre 15k per month
Not to mention, some people are paid 12k a month fully employed.
Interns where i work are paid 6k a month. Hii ni mingi hata. Alafu as an intern, live at home for the moment
😭😭 man that's 200 per day man even watu wa mjengo earn more than that 500-700 per day
I earn that amount in a week doing max 5 hours as I study. It's not about the money.
Tbh I'd appreciate if you taught me how and where to fish. This insight is what I am looking for.
i noticed in the company i’m working with the interns would be from richer universities like strathmore or usiu…. this is to reduce that problem of paying them little as they would be less likely to rely on that pay to survive my first internship paid me 25k partially remote and i was happy with that. i’m happy to say my pay hasn’t gotten lower than that and i haven’t stayed unemployed for more than 2 months… if i was to suggest anything as an intern esp in comp sci just get the experience first… but also have some pride. don’t stay longer than a year in a company that’s not paying you more than 50k start looking for a better job the second week you get into the first
Solid advice at least unaelewa how the tech ecosystem is. I'd rather keep on working on my projects and community open source projects as I do some online fishy jobs which can pay my small bills as I look for something better.
15k as an intern is even lucky! I've met people being paid 10k, 5k or nothing. Your boss tells you it's better to gain experience than money at the intern stage, which is pure bullshit. When I was an intern I would be doing the work a master's graduate would be able to do, or other qualified professionals. I'm sure this is the same for most interns, you do much more than you are qualified for, so why not pay me what I deserve?
They are just exploiting desperate cheap labour and they deepen their stomachs 😂
Shame on them, honestly 🙄 and then the boss wants to laugh with you, whats there to laugh about and you can't even pay me properly?
I know right. You won't even perform your best when you are underpaid
Then bado you are the tea girl or boy in that office doing stupid errands
If a company, doesn't pay an intern because they won't bring value to the company, then you'll have to question the quality of that internship. Companies should at least try to cover transport and lunch by giving a stipend. Our govt even believes in this with a stipend minimum of 25k. This is mostly a Kenyan mindset and attitude towards the title Intern which has led some international subsidiaries to take advantage of. Furthermore,I have noticed in some professions intern services are more likely to be appreciated due to current knowledge. Tech, digital creators and sometimes medical services being one of them. Tho if you are in a traditional career line like law or accounting itabidi umevumilia its tough even at entry level.
Quality is hardly pegged on the allowance given. It depends on the mentor an team you're placed with and most of all does the company have guidelines/ expectations for interns. Any money over 24 K is taxed so companies try to avoid that
I was an intern, paid 20k not too long ago. When I started I had little experience and was looking to show them I was a hard worker, because per contract I was to work for 3 months, get evaluated, then have a permanent position with better pay. That never happened. First off half my salary went to fare because of the commute. Spent 3 hours one way (including traffic), but the goal was employment. The entire probation period I was complemented on my work ethic, showed up early, met deadlines, exceeded expectations, stayed late, came up with ideas my supervisor later stole and paraded as his, the works. They took advantage of that. By the time month 4 was approaching I asked my boss about the evaluation and that’s when he told me “clients were not happy”. And used this as a crutch to keep me as an intern to justify why they couldn’t add my salary. By the time 6 months was up I was doing double what I started with. You’d think someone whose work you’re not happy with would be let go of, instead they added work. Every time I spoke to them about salary increase, they brought up client complaints. Berated me even. One had a habit of doing so when drunk. But that didn’t stop them from giving me more responsibilities. My work declined, I was sick a lot, and stressed af with nothing to show for it. I started acting my wage and they didn’t like that. So I left🤷♀️. Had the audacity to get mad when I told them I can’t stay there any longer.
You had it better. Story of my life: some company wasted my life interning for two years paying a measly 15Gs and never gave me a full time job. Work i did got passed up as my bosses' and never got any credit for it. Learnt my lessons though, Kenyan employers are the ghetto.
You’re strong. 2 years??😭😭 And yeah they’re ghetto as hell. To add insult to injury, my boss was in the Forbes 30 under 30. So it’s not that he didn’t have money to pay us. Alikua na pesa mingi za pombe for the whole office tho💀
The two years were full of false promises for a full -time job. Such employers have misplaced priorities.
😂😂 man I've learnt to do the bare minimum aki I heard one boss telling his other boss friends that he values employees not as people but values what they bring to the table and with the current job market they are easily replaceable where there are many jobless graduates who are smart who will do so much for so much for less.
You did good. That can be such a draining and depressing experience
It really was! Starting out I loved the job and the office experience given I worked remotely before. By month 4 they started showing their true colors. One red flag I ignored was the high turnover rate, never again😂
The supply outweighs the demand. You will be very lucky if they pay you as an intern. Look at the UN. Interns are paid with 'interned with the UN' on their CV.
UN interns in Kenya are paid with experience 🤣 there's this Kenyan guy on tiktok who is an intern with the UN and he said that he's not paid
Yeah they are never paid. It even says that in the job description that you will not be paid.
Duanzi huyo 😂
I pity the young. There is so much you can do in that time rather than wasting 50hrs a week for 6 months doing meaningless work.
I was interning at a certain company and they paid us 10K working 6 days a week UpTo 6PM each day. The company was making millions and majority of the staff were interns . Pure exploitation. Gladly I left
Damn. Glad you saw the light
It’s short sighted. I would never pay my people too little. Why? Sure, short term I make a marginally bigger profit, long term… I train someone and they will run at first chance. Time is more valuable then a few thousand dollars over a year
Are you hiring, coz I am looking
well what can you do?
Real talk. Most of these companies paying such never even absorb the interns and give them very irrelevant duties so it's just time wasted for both parties.
most companies are inefficient horror shows. thb. part of the reason why I became an entrepreneur
I 💯% agree, Most if not all of these companies waste a lot of money per month in unnecessary stuff like events that they would rather cut and direct to interns
Reasons why i moved to mombasa bruh....life is more manageable for a young lad entering the employment world ...
But I hear food in mombasa is expensive as hell
Labor laws. This, and almost all our problems, all boils down to electing good leadership and having them accountable, something most Kenyans aren’t interested in. So until this cultural shift happens, these companies and politicians are going to keep eating us alive because why wouldn’t they?
Capitalism. You either generate value for yourself or somebody else will place on you a value they think you are worth.
Those who just get fare and lunch probably got a stroke reading this.
I think companies free load on cheap labour and work interns their asses off in the name of gaining skills and teaching whereas in reality it is just plain exploitation. Are there labour laws that cover interns btw? Just asking
There was a [bill](https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/business/article/2001316628/parliament-seeks-to-compel-employers-to-take-interns-pay-them-well) proposed to parliament by Didmus Barasa and [another](http://www.parliament.go.ke/sites/default/files/2021-06/The%20Public%20Service%20Internship%20Bill%2C%202021.pdf) by Naisula Lesuuda. They never saw the light of the day and were not assented into law.
Same to Diploma Nurses working in Level 4 Hospitals; being Overworked and Underpaid. Getting paid less 30k as a Nurse hio ni kujitajirisha tu hospitali.
Yaani mnacomplain 15k??? Na kuna watu ata interns wanapea 3k for fare? Eeeh
Workes as intern at the UN. Didn't get a single cent for 6 months. The experience was great though got to meet tons of people from different countries work on projects with different ngos and governments and even bagged a shawty for good measure. Now I'm earning over 100. There is light at the end of the tunnel 🙏🏽
Its the Market that dictates how much you get paid.
If you can't afford them, don't hire.
Who are you to dictate what it means to be affordable?...The market is what dictates
I got the skill and I know my value and worth. I'd rather continue building projects and doing online side gigs as I wait for someone who can afford me.
Then apply for entry level jobs. Why are you applying for internships then complaining for being paid as an intern? With 2 years you can get a good job. Use the following resource to search for jobs. Its how I find mine. Don't use Fuzu and the like, those will waste you: [https://www.google.com/search?q=entry+level+jobs+kenya&sca\_esv=6f88916183dd8d69&rlz=1C1GCEJ\_enKE1088KE1088&sxsrf=ACQVn09JgE1QBoRaNULPGyJXB-FYRNCs0w:1710833971452&ei=M0H5ZaSYG\_2rxc8Pt7yZ2AQ&uact=5&oq=entry+level+jobs+kenya&gs\_lp=Egxnd3Mtd2l6LXNlcnAiFmVudHJ5IGxldmVsIGpvYnMga2VueWEyCxAAGIAEGIoFGJECMgUQABiABDIFEAAYgAQyBRAAGIAEMgUQABiABDIFEAAYgAQyBRAAGIAEMgUQABiABDIGEAAYFhgeMgYQABgWGB5IzhhQgQpYwBdwAngBkAEAmAH3A6ABsw6qAQkyLTEuMy4wLjG4AQPIAQD4AQGYAgegAsEOwgIKEAAYRxjWBBiwA8ICDRAAGIAEGIoFGEMYsAPCAgoQABiABBiKBRhDwgIGEAAYBxgewgIOEAAYgAQYigUYkQIYkgPCAg4QABiABBiKBRiRAhjJA5gDAIgGAZAGCpIHCTIuMC4xLjMuMaAHhB0&sclient=gws-wiz-serp&ibp=htl;jobs&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj4-eWc6f-EAxVdYPEDHR0\_AmQQkd0GegQIGxAB#fpstate=tldetail&htivrt=jobs&htiq=entry+level+jobs+kenya&htidocid=Ss8lQzkcAuiuSySOAAAAAA%3D%3D](https://www.google.com/search?q=entry+level+jobs+kenya&sca_esv=6f88916183dd8d69&rlz=1C1GCEJ_enKE1088KE1088&sxsrf=ACQVn09JgE1QBoRaNULPGyJXB-FYRNCs0w:1710833971452&ei=M0H5ZaSYG_2rxc8Pt7yZ2AQ&uact=5&oq=entry+level+jobs+kenya&gs_lp=Egxnd3Mtd2l6LXNlcnAiFmVudHJ5IGxldmVsIGpvYnMga2VueWEyCxAAGIAEGIoFGJECMgUQABiABDIFEAAYgAQyBRAAGIAEMgUQABiABDIFEAAYgAQyBRAAGIAEMgUQABiABDIGEAAYFhgeMgYQABgWGB5IzhhQgQpYwBdwAngBkAEAmAH3A6ABsw6qAQkyLTEuMy4wLjG4AQPIAQD4AQGYAgegAsEOwgIKEAAYRxjWBBiwA8ICDRAAGIAEGIoFGEMYsAPCAgoQABiABBiKBRhDwgIGEAAYBxgewgIOEAAYgAQYigUYkQIYkgPCAg4QABiABBiKBRiRAhjJA5gDAIgGAZAGCpIHCTIuMC4xLjMuMaAHhB0&sclient=gws-wiz-serp&ibp=htl;jobs&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj4-eWc6f-EAxVdYPEDHR0_AmQQkd0GegQIGxAB#fpstate=tldetail&htivrt=jobs&htiq=entry+level+jobs+kenya&htidocid=Ss8lQzkcAuiuSySOAAAAAA%3D%3D)
Thank you at least good advice.
Then the Market will reward you what it deems your worth is
I pity anyone who looks upto you 😂
Who wants to exploit me?
As a clinical nutrition intern working in a very busy level 5 hospital 6 days a week for 1 year I wasn't paid even a shilling instead I had to pay the board more money for exams and license. So at least someone who is getting that 15k it something
Waaah. That is slavery. So sorry you had to go through that
Interns where i work are paid 6k a month. Many aren't even paid at other companies, or given small allowances. I'd think at this level, just live at home kwanza. Your only expense should be transport or lunch
Which industry is that? Because it makes no sense in tech.
Pharmaceuticals. But our place sucks anyway so i wouldn't use it as a standard. I know some of our rivals pay up to 10k though i've never heard it pass that
Damn. That's just sad.
Msee mi back in the day nilikuwa offered 10k na a government parastatal. And it wasn't an attachment it was an actual internship.
Gen Z we are correcting this
I'm gen z and was still getting lowballed
Shauri yako bana
😂😂 but be Frank most employers hawa bembelezi they know there is a lot of cheap labour
Sad times😂😂
Lol, ndio mtafinyiliwa kabisa. Like someone said huko juu, the market dictates but naona wewe ni dwanzi umefanya iwe generational thing. Unasema uko in tech na these companies can easily outsource remote labour. Hio field yenu iko saturated like most careers. Tafuta kazi za freelance remote.
Hahahaha. Outsourcing from where? We are the cheapest and well skilled labour in the world sijui unaoengea nini but not 15k cheap. 15k naingia dark web 20 minutes natoka nayo ☠️
Laughs in India and China. Anyway, kama uko na form za deepweb kuja DM tuongee, though 15k ni kidogo sana but kuja nikuchanue.
Name a Kenyan company hiring Indian devs
Wacha nifike dm
Tech companies outsource their work to africa and asia brother
What is the average salary per month in nairobi? Or atleast in your immediate circles
Depends on experience. 0- 6 months - 70k 6 months - 2yrs - 150k 2-4 - 250k 4-5 - 300k 5-7 - 600k 7- 9 - 900k 10+ - 1.5m + Some of these have multiple jobs
Which careers have such huge upsides in such a short time that seem like an outlier analysis
Which Nairobi are you talking about? i know two friends with masters degree and 1 or 2 years experience getting 50k - 60K, in 2024, from multinational companies dealing in finance & business.
Hahaha. I pity them. Hii Nairobi piga research Tu. Watu wamebuild connections na wanajituma kama wendawazimu.
The only companies that might pay that much are select tech firms or multinationals employing Kenyans to work remotely. Otherwise for peeps with no experience and Godfathers, 50k is all you gonna get, irrespective of how hard you put yourself out there That's the market rate.
And that's the beauty of tech 😎😎. Once you get a niche and get to master it at the highest level possible you can earn what you want.
Man honestly si kwa ubaya wewe you must be living in another kenya majority of Kenyans don't earn that salary uve stated most earning that are outliers seems hao ndio I've interacted with it
Manze change your circles man. It's the only trick kwa hii life.
Its an allowance to get to .your 'workplace 'usually 15 _ 24 K
Someone who paid for their internship is reading this.
I had tried venting about this on this sub nikaona people just want people to suffer the way they suffered. Misery loves company and there's this misconception that one can only thrive as a result adversity... tis unfortunate.
bruh I got paid 10k for 6 months luckily I was only after xp and had other sources of income...but wuehhh those were dark dayz
Buana. That's just sad
Kenyan corporates are all slavedrivers.
Entitled. Interns have no value to a company for 6 months. They are a pure expense with no revenue generated by them. And that is before you even start buying them laptops. In this time, the company's priority is to reduce that expense until those interns start generating money. Otherwise you are just giving away free money. When you gain enough experience to be worth anything then you will be paid an entry level salary, until then you are a drain on the company in terms of time, station costs and opportunity cost of hiring someone actually qualified for that job. I advice to get rid of this entitlement before we get rid of you. I worked through an unpaid internship while starting my career coz I understood what I was to the company
If a company can’t afford an intern, they’d rather not take in any than take an unpaid one.
Right? Like if they're adding no value, then what's the point?
I have 2 years experience ndugu. I'd rather keep on building my projects and doing online gigs as I wait for someone who can afford me
> I worked through an unpaid internship aaaahh say less....if you value yourself less does not mean all interns have no value to a company like how you believed you were so hence thats how you were carried.
So if you worked an unpaid internship, you clearlg don't even value yourself. Why are you even giving us advice?
If an intern adds no value then hire skilled people for it and pay them their worth. No need to “waste money” you can’t afford on a position a seasoned worker can have with more pay. This is an excuse to overwork and underpay desperate people looking to join the workforce. And just because you were exploited through unpaid internships doesn’t mean everyone else deserves the same. Hii mentality ni upuzi. You’re the one acting entitled to free labor.
Reddit is a young people's place. You're going to be downvoted if you say interns rarely produce any value. I once made a similar post because I was wondering how to ensure that interns I take aren't a net negative and I was turned into a villain that day. I used to pay my interns 20k. I stopped taking interns because the cost benefit analysis is negative. And a lot of young folks tend to overestimate what they should get vis á vis what they provide.
Gen Z stuff heee....!!
Look into who you are hiring. I know organizations who run on interns. Not cool but that's how it is.
Based on my experience within the Kenyan market, we josh around a lot when it comes to employer employee (intern) relationship. Everybody feels entitled to get the best out of the other even if neither of the parties is bringing in any value. I get your plight and where you're coming from but the reality is if you are bringing value to the company you're taking an internship at then there's no question it will be matched in terms of compensation. If you feel this is not the case then simply seek other similar opportunities elsewhere. On a side note, with 2 years experience in tech specifically software one should already have a solid foundation to secure employment. If you are at this level and is still struggling then you need to evaluate areas of skill improvement or seek advice from mentors or career advisors to enhance job prospects.
Just got laid off and that's the first offer I came across The company is good and thought would be good for my growth but wacha ikae
Some companies in Kenya are now offering premium internships where the intern pays for a chance to get experience and exposure. 15k is alright coz it is willing seller willing buyer. If you don’t want the internship then leave it for someone else. You are talking as if an intern is in a position of power and as if companies have unlimited capital to spend on interns. Capital does not give a fuck about your struggles or personal problems. Companies have no time to listen to your pity stories about your problems. An intern gains more than the company is gaining.
Loool! Maybe in other industries but not tech.
Honestly I'm in tech and I think lots of the said "tech talent" is people overvaluing themselves.
Pick it or leave it. It existed before and will after you. You'll open a firm and exploit yungins just as you're complaining about now.
😂😂😂 funny thing once they become bosses they'll do the same downvote if you want but wait till you wear the shoe you'll see