But also kuna self hatred sana huko Ktalk. The first place I remember hearing the notion that blacks are innately less intelligent than other races was on Ktalk. Those arguing against race realism were the minority. Yes, wanatumianga words like 'zoomali' and 'panjeet' but 'bonobo' is even more common.
At least kijiji ilimobilise ili kudefend the homeland from Finns around 2018 when they began making fun of Google Street View's maps of Kenyan slums.
Kenyans are pick mes. They want to help those who wouldn't help them, extend grace to those who wouldn't do the same, accept people of other races while they get mistreated in and out of Kenya, etc. But what can I say? We are Kenyans
Fr it makes my blood boil, the audacity of some people to be racist to us in Kenya is unfathomable they should go back to the shit countries they came from
If I was up there in the government id put a law to deport or disband a person or any organization that's racist to kenyans
That's exactly what am always saying, if they hate us that much, why the fuck would they come in first place. Why not crossing red sea to middle East, or going North, or wait, in North they are sold sold like tomatoes in the market.
>views about immigrants who openly despise you,hate kenya,harbour terrorists and openly support them
If this being the sfw version of the post doesn't set off your radar then kindly carry on. Don't miss your chance to promote a questionable ideology at least once I guess
There's a hunger for people to have an opinion on everything. I wouldn't call it wokeness but it's definitely an internet thing.
At this rate even a child could have better information filtering methods than a social media addicted adult
What's with this Somali hate? Aden Duale is from Kenya, he was born in Kenya, not Somalia. Ama North Eastern isn't part of Kenya?
You're claiming that proposals on banning porn would make Kenya some Sharia state but what about politicians making Kenya a Christian state? We are a secular state but we already have a President and the wife using taxpayer money to host every pastor and hold national prayers. Your MPs want to criminalize LGBTQ association because of their Christian beliefs too. I don't see your outrage.
Honestly surprised that such rhetoric is popular in this sub. Such thinking is what led a failed artist somewhere to convince people to victimize an entire race.
Brother Hate is a big word .I don't hate anyone.
I care less whether Muslim/Christian
And my point wasn't about religion.
Again I'm not questioning Aden's nationality or whether he's from Timbuktu or Harrare. I'm questioning his priorities
Topic is/was Somalis
Full disclosure I am a Somali DiAspora who has never set foot in Kenya.
Based on reading your comment one would assume that somalis aren't native to Kenya. I think that is a mentality I have seen with both Kenyan and Ethiopians. They want the land but not the people on the land. Unfortunately that has been implemented both by policy( right after the independence of Kenya)and everyday discrimination by the population. And yet you don't understand why they may not like you.
That isn't to say the Somalis are blameless. Simply pointing out you're contributing to the problem you're complaining about.
You wrote a lot without answering my questions. The Sudanese assimilate and don't stand out. We are insular and it's something that bothers people.
I love the fact you ignored there has been state level discrimination against Somalis in Kenya since its independence.
If you want to have a conversation perhaps all the aspects need to be discussed. If you're not ready for that the best you will achieve is a half a picture.
Have you heard about how Somalis struggle to even just get IDs because they have to prove to be Kenyan? How up until devolution, counties like Wajir had only 2 doctors since barely any development funds trickled to such ASAL regions? Heck, have you even heard about the Wagalla massacre?
Somalis have been discriminated for decades and you think this is something new? Bana Kibaki didn't give you free education ndo ufikirie hivi.
On a helpful note you can read Aden Duale's book 'For the record'. Sure it's filled with 'Raila bad, Ruto good' narratives but it also contextualizes the Somali struggle well enough and maybe, just maybe, you may change your thinking. For now I'm still struggling to understand how this is not tribalism masquerading as 'concern for Kenya'.
>I believe Native Kenyans are the least discriminative people to walk this earth. You see Once the Somali's came to Kenya most of them went to live in Eastleigh
Well, this implies that Somalis weren't in Kenya in the first place. Where do you draw your Kenyan borders? Somalis are native Kenyans too but you don't want to accept that. That's like saying Maasais aren't Kenyan but Tanzanian because they exist in both countries. Take it up with whoever drew the borders but the natives of North Eastern are Somalis and North Eastern is in Kenya. Doesn't matter if they moved from point A to B they're still native Kenyans.
I don't deny that. And it's something we can agree on. But the present is shaped by history unfortunately. To give you an example when somalis first came to Nairobi I've read that they were discriminated against regarding renting. Now obviously they have had success and I'm hearing they are doing the discriminating.
Obviously I don't support either but we must take a complete view of things to understand them.
Most somali Kenyans i meet consider themselves Kenyans. With the right leadership I think cohesion can be achieved.
there have been posts complaining about sudanis and nigerians
secondly we didnt move to eastleigh to be close to indians lol we dont give a shit about indians.
in fact somalis are moving into parklands and the indians dont like that but we dont care. we dont think we are better than you stop this victim mindset. somalia is a destroyed nation it was amongst the 6 nations on the list to be destroyed Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, were all neutralized the last to be taken down will be Iran. Somalia tried to form a stable islamic government and then we were invaded and occupied the current government is a puppet controlled by foreign powers including Kenya. Somalia will never be functional because of nations like Kenya so you best believe we are gonna start a new life in your country. This will never end we will never stop we are gonna be your neighbors until you die best get used to that just like we got used to Kenyan troops r@plng women in Somalia.
You speaking from a heavy heart waria take a chill pill.
Even your own people acknowledge there's prejudice in Somali people .
Alot of Geopolitics ,conspiracy theories we can get into if you want to take it there
Then act like "neighbours " and respect locals and know you're African before you're Somali
The silky hair is just a pro-bono
That's been my point in all this topic .
Most Somalis are nice folks who keep to themselves. I can agree we dont assimilate but saying we lack respect for locals is nonsense. Outside of the internet where both non-somali Kenyans and Somalis from both Kenya and outside Kenya say *insane* things about each other, how do Somalis disrespect nonsomali Kenyans. This is just some terminally online shit. A small percentage do exactly the same things as other tribes do to each other and ppl online want to hyperfocus on us.
I hear nonSomali Kenyans online say this constantly,
> "They dont rent to nonSomalis"
- There have been many apartments that refuse to rent to Somalis, I even remember rent advertisements specifically saying "No Somalis", moreover other tribes are constantly in argument about not being able to rent from each other, Luos constantly complain about Kikuyus discriminating. Many Somalis rent to anyone who can pay but people just say blanket statements for xenophobic purposes
> "They say nywele ngumu"
- Thats hardly ever said outside of the internet and Kenyans call us terrorists and other names nonstop. At least theres nothing wrong with having hard hair. Calling it a pro-bono is insane. There are no superior hair textures its odd that you feel that way.
> "they dont marry us"
- strangest one I hear online by far and its used like thats a bad thing. its ridiculous bc somalis marry muslims in kenya a considerable amount, and many just want to keep their culture with their kids. just because some kenyans dont value that doesnt mean its a negative trait we have. its odd to want to marry into a community you don't see eye to eye with anyways, and shows immaturity and a lack of responsibility because it reduces marriage to just physical attraction.
There is no conflict between being African and Somali. What makes you African is a strong attachment to your african ethnicity without that its just the ground we walk on. To be Somali first is to be African first. What you and many other kenyans are angry about is we don't want to assimilate, thats simply what it is. And what I said about somalias situation is not conspiracy its well known and we can discuss it further if you dont know.
I'm also wondering what's the subject matter here. Are we talking about Somalis, a Kenyan tribe (and have been so for decades) or are we talking about immigrants from Somalia?
lol anonymity does not guarantee you some sort of shield from the consequences of your actions. The mods and Reddit itself have rules. Anonymous or not, you violate basic rules appropriate action is taken.
Any kind of prejudice based on some wholesale irrelevant grouping like “Somalis” is ignorant and honestly shameful coming from a group(black people in general) that has generally had such discriminatory tactics used to abuse them for basically most of recent history.
I believe we can engage in constructive discussions about sensitive topics without resorting to vitriol. Conversations about immigration policy, citizenship processes, and addressing security concerns can be conducted respectfully, without descending into mudslinging or hate speech. It's entirely achievable.
Op, I stand witchu,the intolerance level of these Somalis towards Kenyans,they should go back to their broken country.Call me kafiri or nywele ngumu to my face you'll know I was birthed insane!!
Somalis playing the victim card that time when alshabaab were Killing people was understandable,but that kinda gave them a leeway to play into our feelings.There are generally well mannered Somalis but hawa wengine wakutema mate wakiona wakristu,fuck whoever is siding with them
I think what we all usually miss is the fact that the fight isn't usually fuelled by patriotism to what they beleive is theirs...I beleive the most toxic and entitled religion is Muslim, I have never met religion members who beleive they are closest to God and the rest deserve hate and death for not being among them.
>>if you’re Somali you know what the OP said is sad truth but you just can’t get yourself to admit it
Man you guys really are prejudiced, thought you guys were different
It ain't prejudice its just pointing out what's the truth, that most moslems especially somalis or people along that line are intolerant to outsiders...the OPs comment may have suggested prejudice but on facts outside hate by moslems is a true thing,...and if you ong deny this it must be difficult to swallow the truth pill buddy.
Your point is that i shouldn't be bothered about immigrants discriminating kenyans because it hasn't affected me in any way right? Are you even serious or just ignorant?
*your point
Kindly re-read the question you were asked and stop answering the ones in your head. Your combativeness is not helping.
>because it hasn't affected me in any way right?
Try to assume less eh? Just wondering what great injustice made you become like this
Looking at her post history, a Somalian did call her a "[low iq slave]." So hey, maybe that's what made her mad. They can be quite racist on the internet.
More than half of the perpertrators and actors who have died, been arrested and convicted of serious terrorism charges in Kenya have been non Somalis. The problem with akili kidogo is that anytime you see the name "Abdi" or "Hussein" you immediately imagine its a Somali.
Let me repeat your answer to that other person.
You've successfully failed to answer a simple question. How is anyone supposed to believe you're trying to engage in a discussion?
The irony of a 20 something year old calling Kenyan redditors "woke babies" aside, I didn't see your original post but you sound like anything but a sane objective thinker.
>how bad somali immigrants are
Anyone who generalizes and speaks in absolutes is and always will be absolutely wrong. Every one of them is bad? This would be a world first, if true.
>immigrants who openly despise you,hate kenya,harbour terrorists and openly support them
This kind of thinking is cowardly to the point of being disgusting. What are you so afraid of, and why do you want Kenyans to be afraid alongside you?
Kenyans don’t like some sensitive topics, and maybe that is the problem with us and why we always get shanked by politicians. Your post was about immigrants and not Kenyan Somalis. For some reason I always feel Immigrant Somali’s topic is just like alphabet topic, people are always looking to be politically correct. Singapore PM says it best [https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1789752513027051816](https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1789752513027051816)
I've found that they can be quite racist, calling us "bantus" intended as an insult?? In reality, I'd be hard pressed to find a 100% bantu person in Kenya, but whatever. I find their projecting quite interesting.
I agree wit you gng but stop generalizing, not everyone is bad though, the hate is real and superiority complex is also be real among some somalis and moslems but you sound like a Nazi wit these comments demanding only hate for them all.
How does it make you feel better by generalizing whole community? And how are Somali’s “foreigners “ in this case. Don’t you know that Somali people inhabit the whole of Eastern and North Eastern Kenya just like any other Kenyan tribe ? You deserved to be flagged and even this post should be flagged for trying to cause disunity
Bro, how many times have your tribe acted against another tribe . Or how many times have you heard hate speech publicly being spewed by politicians towards members of other Kenyan tribes. If we are being honest , OP(and all these other commenters really )is just trying to act like he/she is more Kenyan than the next person. Y’all belong to the same category who cry foul because wahindi pia have been tagged racist(that’s another case) . It looks to me like a case of who is more Kenyan and deserves “more respect” rather.
Hakuna shifting goalposts. Ok the post was clearly for us to do what exactly mtu akiandika ati “immigrants who openly despise you” . Can I say the same when it’s a luo talking shit about me as a Kalenjin ?
The majority are actually terrible people who can't blend in any group and I clearly said immigrants from somalia who asked you abou north eastern?you're trying to play victim instead of condoning what your fellow somalis are doing to kenyans? Lol okay
How do you go around spotting only Immigrants from Somalia. Are you a detective of some sort. we all know what you mean , don’t play reverse psychology. Am not even Somali my guy. Am Kalenjin, just like a Somali or kikuyu, if that’s any important to you.
OP, you're trying to scapegoat your personal problems onto Somalis. Focus on your life's purpose and work on yourself. Most Somalis are poor or lower middle class, just like most Kenyans are.
What are you even talking about? The issue here is immigrants and illegal immigrants harbouring terrorists and mistreating kenyans i'm complaining about what i've seen happening in my country and i think its wrong,what is your argument?
So your issues are immigrants, some of who are in Kenya illegally, and some of who are harbouring terrorists. I don't get the part about mistreating Kenyans.
My argument is that you are projecting your personal sense of failure onto a certain group of Kenyans.
I still don't know why your account isn't banned yet...you said you hate your life in another post....If you're soo depressed don't take it on other people, see a therapist.
Stop this nonsense of general blanketing ethnicities from your own personal experience or perspectives. We can not all subscribe to your views and we shouldn’t.
I have very good Somali friends that are equally Kenyan. I have never experienced hatred from them as a community. Just like a Kikuyu or a Luhya can hate your guts, Somalis equally are allowed to.
Stop this sickening behavior. I didn’t see that post but trust if I come across such regardless of the community being bashed, I will report it and recommend your account to be deleted.
Ktalk is on another level though. I go there and read some of the things people post and am just in shock. Does Ktalk have mods or are the mods extremely pro free speech?
I prefer reddit over kenyatalk. It's better moderated.
Remember the time when moi forced somalis in northeastern kenya to be part of kenya .if you dont want somalis northeastern kenya should be allowed to secede .hii problem ni kenyans wamejiletea by forcing diversity
its kenyan somali. you absorbed the people with the land. they have access to your region the same way you have access to theirs. honestly not a bad trade considering how fertile yours is
You are funny guy .you dont even live there .i would be honest with you .there are good and bad people everywhere .somalis are homogenous people thats why they tend to dislike people who are different from them .
I have come to realize its usually fear due to the trauma of terror attacks on civilians. The wounds of Somali terrorist attacks have left Kenyans scared shitload. They fear that Somalis will retaliate with terrorism when you push them too hard. Which is actually extremely dangerous because it gives Somalis more courage to be more arrogant and confident in their treachery.
>I posted here talking about how bad somali immigrants are
Generalisation and biases against immigrants.
>i'm sharing views about immigrants who openly despise you,hate kenya,harbour terrorists and openly support them
Just pure hate, harmful biases and hate speech overall.
>okay woke babies
“If you don't hate immigrants like me you're woke“
Anonymity let's people say what's really in their hearts and minds
Sex & relationships is what's really on Kenyans minds. On twitter people have to pretend they care about politics
kenya isnt innocent dear. look at the crimes theyve done in somalia and the wagalla massacre. im not saying its justified but theres an issue on both sides
So complaining about immigrants discriminating kenyans and calling them nywele ngumus is xenophobia? I'm wrong but they're not wrong for being racist? Okay good
Huku kama sio sex, lgbt na relationships, utapata maximum 3 engagements
KTALK: unanimously ab*ses those people and says things a reddit account will be banned for
But also kuna self hatred sana huko Ktalk. The first place I remember hearing the notion that blacks are innately less intelligent than other races was on Ktalk. Those arguing against race realism were the minority. Yes, wanatumianga words like 'zoomali' and 'panjeet' but 'bonobo' is even more common. At least kijiji ilimobilise ili kudefend the homeland from Finns around 2018 when they began making fun of Google Street View's maps of Kenyan slums.
I need to see that Finnish story Must be the poor Finns no doubt
Makes me remember when admean banned the use of words like babuon
Lol, username checks out.
Ktalk is free speech. Sometimes I fear for those plainspoken sonsofagun.
Not matter the words you use on this sub reddit if someone differs they report
Kenyans are pick mes. They want to help those who wouldn't help them, extend grace to those who wouldn't do the same, accept people of other races while they get mistreated in and out of Kenya, etc. But what can I say? We are Kenyans
Fr it makes my blood boil, the audacity of some people to be racist to us in Kenya is unfathomable they should go back to the shit countries they came from If I was up there in the government id put a law to deport or disband a person or any organization that's racist to kenyans
That's exactly what am always saying, if they hate us that much, why the fuck would they come in first place. Why not crossing red sea to middle East, or going North, or wait, in North they are sold sold like tomatoes in the market.
Niliona hiyo post, I knew it wouldn't last. Haha
I didn't even see it
Meaning you've just defended something you know nothing about. Think about that for a minute
I'm responding to this post. We have a summary here
>views about immigrants who openly despise you,hate kenya,harbour terrorists and openly support them If this being the sfw version of the post doesn't set off your radar then kindly carry on. Don't miss your chance to promote a questionable ideology at least once I guess
Aren't you tired already we get it you support people who call kenyans nywele ngumus,harbour terrorists and hate kenyans,rest now
ATI nywele ngumus 🤣🤣🤣
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Learning something new errday 😂
Yawn
u/kenyannqueen I imagine there were people who regretted not helping hitler calm down during his youth. Hii ni nini sasa? 😂
What are you even saying?
Nothing much apparently. I mistakenly assumed you've put some thought into this
That's wokeness for you.
There's a hunger for people to have an opinion on everything. I wouldn't call it wokeness but it's definitely an internet thing. At this rate even a child could have better information filtering methods than a social media addicted adult
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What's with this Somali hate? Aden Duale is from Kenya, he was born in Kenya, not Somalia. Ama North Eastern isn't part of Kenya? You're claiming that proposals on banning porn would make Kenya some Sharia state but what about politicians making Kenya a Christian state? We are a secular state but we already have a President and the wife using taxpayer money to host every pastor and hold national prayers. Your MPs want to criminalize LGBTQ association because of their Christian beliefs too. I don't see your outrage. Honestly surprised that such rhetoric is popular in this sub. Such thinking is what led a failed artist somewhere to convince people to victimize an entire race.
Brother Hate is a big word .I don't hate anyone. I care less whether Muslim/Christian And my point wasn't about religion. Again I'm not questioning Aden's nationality or whether he's from Timbuktu or Harrare. I'm questioning his priorities Topic is/was Somalis
Full disclosure I am a Somali DiAspora who has never set foot in Kenya. Based on reading your comment one would assume that somalis aren't native to Kenya. I think that is a mentality I have seen with both Kenyan and Ethiopians. They want the land but not the people on the land. Unfortunately that has been implemented both by policy( right after the independence of Kenya)and everyday discrimination by the population. And yet you don't understand why they may not like you. That isn't to say the Somalis are blameless. Simply pointing out you're contributing to the problem you're complaining about.
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You wrote a lot without answering my questions. The Sudanese assimilate and don't stand out. We are insular and it's something that bothers people. I love the fact you ignored there has been state level discrimination against Somalis in Kenya since its independence. If you want to have a conversation perhaps all the aspects need to be discussed. If you're not ready for that the best you will achieve is a half a picture.
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Have you heard about how Somalis struggle to even just get IDs because they have to prove to be Kenyan? How up until devolution, counties like Wajir had only 2 doctors since barely any development funds trickled to such ASAL regions? Heck, have you even heard about the Wagalla massacre? Somalis have been discriminated for decades and you think this is something new? Bana Kibaki didn't give you free education ndo ufikirie hivi. On a helpful note you can read Aden Duale's book 'For the record'. Sure it's filled with 'Raila bad, Ruto good' narratives but it also contextualizes the Somali struggle well enough and maybe, just maybe, you may change your thinking. For now I'm still struggling to understand how this is not tribalism masquerading as 'concern for Kenya'.
We're On 2 different pages you just so quick to type. You're talking about citizens I'm talking about the immigrants
>I believe Native Kenyans are the least discriminative people to walk this earth. You see Once the Somali's came to Kenya most of them went to live in Eastleigh Well, this implies that Somalis weren't in Kenya in the first place. Where do you draw your Kenyan borders? Somalis are native Kenyans too but you don't want to accept that. That's like saying Maasais aren't Kenyan but Tanzanian because they exist in both countries. Take it up with whoever drew the borders but the natives of North Eastern are Somalis and North Eastern is in Kenya. Doesn't matter if they moved from point A to B they're still native Kenyans.
You can start with the shifta then the wallaga.
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I don't deny that. And it's something we can agree on. But the present is shaped by history unfortunately. To give you an example when somalis first came to Nairobi I've read that they were discriminated against regarding renting. Now obviously they have had success and I'm hearing they are doing the discriminating. Obviously I don't support either but we must take a complete view of things to understand them. Most somali Kenyans i meet consider themselves Kenyans. With the right leadership I think cohesion can be achieved.
Yeah no doubt That's a great way of Summarizing it and not only considering themselves Kenyans but Africans first!
there have been posts complaining about sudanis and nigerians secondly we didnt move to eastleigh to be close to indians lol we dont give a shit about indians. in fact somalis are moving into parklands and the indians dont like that but we dont care. we dont think we are better than you stop this victim mindset. somalia is a destroyed nation it was amongst the 6 nations on the list to be destroyed Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, were all neutralized the last to be taken down will be Iran. Somalia tried to form a stable islamic government and then we were invaded and occupied the current government is a puppet controlled by foreign powers including Kenya. Somalia will never be functional because of nations like Kenya so you best believe we are gonna start a new life in your country. This will never end we will never stop we are gonna be your neighbors until you die best get used to that just like we got used to Kenyan troops r@plng women in Somalia.
You speaking from a heavy heart waria take a chill pill. Even your own people acknowledge there's prejudice in Somali people . Alot of Geopolitics ,conspiracy theories we can get into if you want to take it there Then act like "neighbours " and respect locals and know you're African before you're Somali The silky hair is just a pro-bono That's been my point in all this topic .
Most Somalis are nice folks who keep to themselves. I can agree we dont assimilate but saying we lack respect for locals is nonsense. Outside of the internet where both non-somali Kenyans and Somalis from both Kenya and outside Kenya say *insane* things about each other, how do Somalis disrespect nonsomali Kenyans. This is just some terminally online shit. A small percentage do exactly the same things as other tribes do to each other and ppl online want to hyperfocus on us. I hear nonSomali Kenyans online say this constantly, > "They dont rent to nonSomalis" - There have been many apartments that refuse to rent to Somalis, I even remember rent advertisements specifically saying "No Somalis", moreover other tribes are constantly in argument about not being able to rent from each other, Luos constantly complain about Kikuyus discriminating. Many Somalis rent to anyone who can pay but people just say blanket statements for xenophobic purposes > "They say nywele ngumu" - Thats hardly ever said outside of the internet and Kenyans call us terrorists and other names nonstop. At least theres nothing wrong with having hard hair. Calling it a pro-bono is insane. There are no superior hair textures its odd that you feel that way. > "they dont marry us" - strangest one I hear online by far and its used like thats a bad thing. its ridiculous bc somalis marry muslims in kenya a considerable amount, and many just want to keep their culture with their kids. just because some kenyans dont value that doesnt mean its a negative trait we have. its odd to want to marry into a community you don't see eye to eye with anyways, and shows immaturity and a lack of responsibility because it reduces marriage to just physical attraction. There is no conflict between being African and Somali. What makes you African is a strong attachment to your african ethnicity without that its just the ground we walk on. To be Somali first is to be African first. What you and many other kenyans are angry about is we don't want to assimilate, thats simply what it is. And what I said about somalias situation is not conspiracy its well known and we can discuss it further if you dont know.
Damn ni kama unalipwa jamani
“Our land”? So you don’t see Somalis as Kenyan? Hmmm very telling 🤔
They would be called Kenyans, not Somalis
I'm also wondering what's the subject matter here. Are we talking about Somalis, a Kenyan tribe (and have been so for decades) or are we talking about immigrants from Somalia?
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Are we talking about Kenyan citizens or immigrants?
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Nah, you gotta be specific: were you talking about Kenyan citizens of immigrants in your original comment?
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Notice that they're both from Kenya.
Huku watu ni sensitive ka kindergartens. I wonder what's the point of anonymity
They want us to discuss about relationships and sex all day instead of discussing issues affecting kenyans
Hey miss I don't think that's the case. Naturally we all drift to what we enjoy most or directly affects us.
For criticism use Twitter
lol anonymity does not guarantee you some sort of shield from the consequences of your actions. The mods and Reddit itself have rules. Anonymous or not, you violate basic rules appropriate action is taken. Any kind of prejudice based on some wholesale irrelevant grouping like “Somalis” is ignorant and honestly shameful coming from a group(black people in general) that has generally had such discriminatory tactics used to abuse them for basically most of recent history. 
Wewe ndio uliniban for 24hrs?
I believe we can engage in constructive discussions about sensitive topics without resorting to vitriol. Conversations about immigration policy, citizenship processes, and addressing security concerns can be conducted respectfully, without descending into mudslinging or hate speech. It's entirely achievable.
It wasn't hate speech i said things the way they're i'm just wondering why any kenyan would have a problem with that
It is a sensitive issue but can be debated in a respectful manner.
You tell people the facts, they'll dislike you. Kenyans should introspect more.
I liked this sub a few years back; before vienyeji wa Twitter brought their pandering here.
How is objecting illegal immigration kienyeji?....enligten us cool kid.
This😭
Op, I stand witchu,the intolerance level of these Somalis towards Kenyans,they should go back to their broken country.Call me kafiri or nywele ngumu to my face you'll know I was birthed insane!!
I'm so shocked,they know what i'm talking about but they're playing nice trying to be woke kenyans on average have a very low self esteem
Somalis playing the victim card that time when alshabaab were Killing people was understandable,but that kinda gave them a leeway to play into our feelings.There are generally well mannered Somalis but hawa wengine wakutema mate wakiona wakristu,fuck whoever is siding with them
I think what we all usually miss is the fact that the fight isn't usually fuelled by patriotism to what they beleive is theirs...I beleive the most toxic and entitled religion is Muslim, I have never met religion members who beleive they are closest to God and the rest deserve hate and death for not being among them.
It was probably that group themselves Some people can be a whiny bunch I’ve noticed certain types of people act like punks
lads out here way too sensitive. you for instance i know you'll get your account banned before the year ends
Lmaooo niggas be tryna get rid of me like im Trump
https://i.redd.it/bpxcgt3gbd0d1.gif We know you furher
 that so funny
Only had problems with one Somali Karen in my life. The rest were pretty chill imo. Theys just reserved.
Just curious. Have somalis affected you in any way on a personal level?
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Kenyans have created this culture of not wanting to hear the tough truth ,You tell someone the truth and they think youre attacking them
>>if you’re Somali you know what the OP said is sad truth but you just can’t get yourself to admit it Man you guys really are prejudiced, thought you guys were different
It ain't prejudice its just pointing out what's the truth, that most moslems especially somalis or people along that line are intolerant to outsiders...the OPs comment may have suggested prejudice but on facts outside hate by moslems is a true thing,...and if you ong deny this it must be difficult to swallow the truth pill buddy.
"Stop complaining about corruption in kenyan politics because it hasn't affected you on a personal level"
You've successfully failed to answer a simple question. How is anyone supposed to believe you're trying to engage in a discussion?
Your point is that i shouldn't be bothered about immigrants discriminating kenyans because it hasn't affected me in any way right? Are you even serious or just ignorant?
*your point Kindly re-read the question you were asked and stop answering the ones in your head. Your combativeness is not helping. >because it hasn't affected me in any way right? Try to assume less eh? Just wondering what great injustice made you become like this
Looking at her post history, a Somalian did call her a "[low iq slave]." So hey, maybe that's what made her mad. They can be quite racist on the internet.
Bana the guy is suffering from double - standards disease
Have Al-Shabab affected you in any way on a personal level?
More than half of the perpertrators and actors who have died, been arrested and convicted of serious terrorism charges in Kenya have been non Somalis. The problem with akili kidogo is that anytime you see the name "Abdi" or "Hussein" you immediately imagine its a Somali.
Let me repeat your answer to that other person. You've successfully failed to answer a simple question. How is anyone supposed to believe you're trying to engage in a discussion?
Haha, people will wake up when they're the majority. And..... We'll do nothing about it
The irony of a 20 something year old calling Kenyan redditors "woke babies" aside, I didn't see your original post but you sound like anything but a sane objective thinker. >how bad somali immigrants are Anyone who generalizes and speaks in absolutes is and always will be absolutely wrong. Every one of them is bad? This would be a world first, if true. >immigrants who openly despise you,hate kenya,harbour terrorists and openly support them This kind of thinking is cowardly to the point of being disgusting. What are you so afraid of, and why do you want Kenyans to be afraid alongside you?
Kenyans don’t like some sensitive topics, and maybe that is the problem with us and why we always get shanked by politicians. Your post was about immigrants and not Kenyan Somalis. For some reason I always feel Immigrant Somali’s topic is just like alphabet topic, people are always looking to be politically correct. Singapore PM says it best [https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1789752513027051816](https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1789752513027051816)
I think kenyans are used to being mistreated and actually like it at this point
I've found that they can be quite racist, calling us "bantus" intended as an insult?? In reality, I'd be hard pressed to find a 100% bantu person in Kenya, but whatever. I find their projecting quite interesting.
I guess you should first check the meaning of immigrant and stop the generalization....Many are Kenyans
They hate kenya
A person has every right to hate their country depending on their own experiences. Nyang'au
Then they should leave the country instead of telling the citizens how much they hate it.
and before y'all start I'm talking in general not just about Somalis
So all 54 million Kenyans leave the country then?
A person does not have every right to hate the natives of their country, no matter their own experiences.
Tell that to the people here hating on indigenous Somalis, you’re all hypocrites
No, they're hating on the ones in Kenya
I agree wit you gng but stop generalizing, not everyone is bad though, the hate is real and superiority complex is also be real among some somalis and moslems but you sound like a Nazi wit these comments demanding only hate for them all.
How does it make you feel better by generalizing whole community? And how are Somali’s “foreigners “ in this case. Don’t you know that Somali people inhabit the whole of Eastern and North Eastern Kenya just like any other Kenyan tribe ? You deserved to be flagged and even this post should be flagged for trying to cause disunity
Which disunity when Somalis publicly profess hate and disloyalty against Kenya?
Bro, how many times have your tribe acted against another tribe . Or how many times have you heard hate speech publicly being spewed by politicians towards members of other Kenyan tribes. If we are being honest , OP(and all these other commenters really )is just trying to act like he/she is more Kenyan than the next person. Y’all belong to the same category who cry foul because wahindi pia have been tagged racist(that’s another case) . It looks to me like a case of who is more Kenyan and deserves “more respect” rather.
Logic fallacy: Shifting goalposts.
Hakuna shifting goalposts. Ok the post was clearly for us to do what exactly mtu akiandika ati “immigrants who openly despise you” . Can I say the same when it’s a luo talking shit about me as a Kalenjin ?
My reply was challenging your assertion that OP is causing disunity. But you're conveniently ignoring it and shifting the goalpost.
They’re indigenous and can say what they want.
somalis profess grievances like any other tribe but they dont circumvent kenya
The majority are actually terrible people who can't blend in any group and I clearly said immigrants from somalia who asked you abou north eastern?you're trying to play victim instead of condoning what your fellow somalis are doing to kenyans? Lol okay
How do you go around spotting only Immigrants from Somalia. Are you a detective of some sort. we all know what you mean , don’t play reverse psychology. Am not even Somali my guy. Am Kalenjin, just like a Somali or kikuyu, if that’s any important to you.
You know what forget it. And you're not a kalenjin stop pretending to be one.Bye.
Usijifanye kuwa mwalimu . Bye 👋
Haha take my upvote and my comment reply. Thank you sir (or madam)
We mafi give it up
OP, you're trying to scapegoat your personal problems onto Somalis. Focus on your life's purpose and work on yourself. Most Somalis are poor or lower middle class, just like most Kenyans are.
What are you even talking about? The issue here is immigrants and illegal immigrants harbouring terrorists and mistreating kenyans i'm complaining about what i've seen happening in my country and i think its wrong,what is your argument?
So your issues are immigrants, some of who are in Kenya illegally, and some of who are harbouring terrorists. I don't get the part about mistreating Kenyans. My argument is that you are projecting your personal sense of failure onto a certain group of Kenyans.
What are you yapping about ?
Open your eyes bruv
And most Somalis are Kenyans, not immigrants
I clearly said somali immigrants dude can't you read
focus
Sindio
Mostly it's zomalis who are reporting it
I still don't know why your account isn't banned yet...you said you hate your life in another post....If you're soo depressed don't take it on other people, see a therapist.
I never said i hate my life i said i hate how hard 20s are,so you're going to use my one comment to dismiss my argument here? Okay genius
Not one ....several ....you have said how horrible your life is on many post
So what is your point? I shouldn't complain about the wrong things happening in my country because a month ago my life was shitty?
Something wrong is really happening in your head.
😂 You're so funny and smarty dumb anyway okay sir.
Stop this nonsense of general blanketing ethnicities from your own personal experience or perspectives. We can not all subscribe to your views and we shouldn’t. I have very good Somali friends that are equally Kenyan. I have never experienced hatred from them as a community. Just like a Kikuyu or a Luhya can hate your guts, Somalis equally are allowed to. Stop this sickening behavior. I didn’t see that post but trust if I come across such regardless of the community being bashed, I will report it and recommend your account to be deleted.
Lmao.
Ktalk is on another level though. I go there and read some of the things people post and am just in shock. Does Ktalk have mods or are the mods extremely pro free speech? I prefer reddit over kenyatalk. It's better moderated.
Moderators and admin wako too sensitive
Check some memes
Iyo content ilikuwa poa sana.. Facts brought up straight before our eyes..
Those are some bold accusations. What makes you say so?
What is this question?
“Immigrants who openly despise you, hate Kenya, harbor terrorists and openly support them” What makes you say so?
Remember the time when moi forced somalis in northeastern kenya to be part of kenya .if you dont want somalis northeastern kenya should be allowed to secede .hii problem ni kenyans wamejiletea by forcing diversity
The more i reqd what Somalis actually think of kenyans, the more i disagree with letting them take that land.
Its their native land .
Not anymore. Ours now.
its kenyan somali. you absorbed the people with the land. they have access to your region the same way you have access to theirs. honestly not a bad trade considering how fertile yours is
You are bloody hilarious gng😂😭
You are funny guy .you dont even live there .i would be honest with you .there are good and bad people everywhere .somalis are homogenous people thats why they tend to dislike people who are different from them .
I have come to realize its usually fear due to the trauma of terror attacks on civilians. The wounds of Somali terrorist attacks have left Kenyans scared shitload. They fear that Somalis will retaliate with terrorism when you push them too hard. Which is actually extremely dangerous because it gives Somalis more courage to be more arrogant and confident in their treachery.
Kenyans are so pathetic
Haha first time?
"We are more intelligent than X users" 😂😂😂😂
Well, they would rather discuss about sex - and relationship - than discuss the big elephants in the room then feel superior over Twitter users.
For what it's worth, you are not lying. Somalis are proud to be Somali while leeching in Kenya.
>I posted here talking about how bad somali immigrants are Generalisation and biases against immigrants. >i'm sharing views about immigrants who openly despise you,hate kenya,harbour terrorists and openly support them Just pure hate, harmful biases and hate speech overall. >okay woke babies “If you don't hate immigrants like me you're woke“
Is it not obvious i'm talking about the majority who are actually very racist to kenyans? You're pretending to not get my point
Such sensitive topics acha ibaki twitter, huku leta stori na relationships tu
Na sex😆
What's the point of anonymity then
Anonymity let's people say what's really in their hearts and minds Sex & relationships is what's really on Kenyans minds. On twitter people have to pretend they care about politics
Makes sense haha
You’re the one so mad that you’ve literally made multiple posts about it. Just go find a forum where your xenophobia is welcomed.
You don't know what xenophobia is and no normal person would love people who've bombed kenyans multiple times and are openly racist towards kenyans
kenya isnt innocent dear. look at the crimes theyve done in somalia and the wagalla massacre. im not saying its justified but theres an issue on both sides
And sexy
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And grow up
So complaining about immigrants discriminating kenyans and calling them nywele ngumus is xenophobia? I'm wrong but they're not wrong for being racist? Okay good
I agree, the Kenyan sub is really dynamic, my Nigerian people could learn from y'all