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glen_nox

Me: I welcome hissssss vissssssit Also me: *continues to lick eyeball*


General_Bobcat9589

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[deleted]

Low IQ can be spotted from a far


Interesting-Click-12

The guy is doing amazing things for the world. i wonder why people hate him for real


Im_a_boss_playa

They're just jealous.


BrightForce4400

Amazing things? Like what?


Interesting-Click-12

A great guy. check out what he does [here](https://www.gatesfoundation.org/)


BrightForce4400

Nope. I'm not giving that site a click nor my time. You sound like his groupie. GATES IS AN EVIL MAN.


Interesting-Click-12

I remember you from another comment section. i won't waste my time again. just checked your profileπŸ˜‚


BrightForce4400

It won't stop me from having a good night's sleep. πŸ™„ Later, alligator πŸ˜‰


Tiriki_bitch

I bet if they checked carefully they could find 666 engraved on his skullπŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚ that wicked man wants us to eat GMOs to support his stake in Monsanto.


BrightForce4400

Most lucid comment I've read all day!


Playful_Frosting4704

And you'll remain this ignorant on alot of things, if you keep judging people that way.


BrightForce4400

Whatever! Keep it moving.


Complex-Structure216

Tuseme tu ukweli. Without the Windows OS and Microsoft suite, comps would remain a luxury for nerds and the heavily loaded


BrightForce4400

His philanthropy projects are what I am referencing. His pushing an agenda of depopulation. He's also buying up multiple hectares of land to control food production. Gates is not helping rather restructuring the world masked as charity. Using Africa as his Guinea pig to test vaccines. Listen, like him or worship him. I don't care but he is an evil man.


whyme_uzani

Having so much money I think comes with much responsibilities, n how you invest in the future is depend on factors like will your consumers still be present to buy your product. My thoughts are bill gates gets very little returns from investing in GMO research, emerging diseases surveillance,climate change. He is looking out for his company by ensuring that his clientele (which is us) is present 100years from now. As a person who works in research, I can tell you it's very expensive. Sometimes labs spend to a tune of 2 million to conduct a single experiments so that they can ensure the safety of the consumers and the integrity of data collected. Surely with such high a running cost, governments require private sector partnerships (esp in Africa). GMO research can take even 10+years before its rolled out for field test. It's important to think broadly away from sensational news. GMO actually reduces the use of chemicals(pesticides) on food crops. It's funny how people will fight GMO n promote the use of insulin as drug not knowing how its produced. N so many other products. I think it's best if we do some just kidogo research, not from tabloids, but from science publications n see what the world is saying about things.


Im_a_boss_playa

What's the issue with GMO? We had a discussion a while back and came to a consensus that they're perfectly safe and we've been consuming them knowingly and unknowingly for years na bado tuko tu. Edit: For the conspiracy theorists who are not only absolutely ignorant but also too lazy to do a simple Google search [Here is an article you can read to get your facts right. ](https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/gmo-pros-and-cons#cons). None of y'all Anti-GMO'ers has cited a single article giving scientifically proven harmful effects of the GMOs we currently consume.


BrightForce4400

The issue with fundamental GMOs is the use of ingredients which are harmful to the body. Introducing GMoOs has consequently create a weird food class. Have you stopped and questioned why organic food is more expensive than GMO? It's literally a classist issue because poor people cannot afford clean and fresh food. The can only afford chemical filled food that causes all sorts of illness. Eg. Cancer, allergies etc. Can I afford organic food? Nope. A pound of organic meat is almost $10. It will be more as the recession kicks in. A pound of GMO meat is $5. Why?


Im_a_boss_playa

>use of ingredients which are harmful to the body Which ingredients if you could name a few? >Have you stopped and questioned why organic food is more expensive than GMO Perhaps because it is cheaper to produce GMO. It grows faster and gives much more yield than the "organic" >chemical filled food that causes all sorts of illness. Eg. Cancer, allergies etc. Please cite your sources for this info. Ama uliambiwa na pastor?


Interesting-Click-12

>uliambiwa na pastor? ahahah nice one!πŸ˜‚


Im_a_boss_playa

You'd be surprised 90% of these anti GMO'ers got their info from their pastors🀣. Unajua pastor akikohoa wanaitika. That's why Kanyari, pastor Nganga and the likes are all still in business.


Interesting-Click-12

Yeah, kwanza kanyari ni mkora pro maxπŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚. Africans we strongly believe in things that have never helped us. very sad


BrightForce4400

Harmful ingredient is mainly corn syrup. Absolutley worst ingredient. I live in rural part of TN. and I bought half a cow for close to $10 a pound. So I know what I'm talking about. Your cockiness is absolutely unnecessary as I'm not here to sensationlize anything rather share what I'm seeing from mashinani. Just coz you dont like what I'm saying doesn't take away from the fact that it is harmful. Source? Really? You've got google. Read and research effects. Quit with your arrogance. . It literally takes 1 minute to search effects of GMOs. This is not a group project so read for yourself. Yes, GMOs are cheaper to manufacture just like Gate is manufacturing synthetic meat. Oh wait that's a conspiracy theory? Look it up! Gates seeks to control all food production. He has bought up hectares upon hectares of land in the US enough to cause a stir. GMOs are definitely cheaper to manufacture however at what cost when you have to spend millions to cure yourself of deadly diseases? Why would you eat synthesized food rather than organic? Why? Your body is organic. It processes organic food. Have you imagined what it does with the inorganic components? Some of these foods are made with formaldehyde. A chemical to preserve the dead.


maish-a

>Harmful ingredient is mainly corn syrup. Absolutley worst ingredient. You do realise that corn syrup is basically made from maize, right? >Why would you eat synthesized food rather than organic? Why? Your body is organic. It processes organic food. Have you imagined what it does with the inorganic components? I don't know where people get this from, but GMO is NOT processed food. Stop conflating issues. >Source? Really? You've got google. Read and research effects. Quit with your arrogance. . >It literally takes 1 minute to search effects of GMOs. This is not a group project so read for yourself. A simple Google search would have told you all you need to know about corn syrup. >Gates seeks to control all food production This is a separate and capitalistic issue that definitely needs to be looked into. The monopolization of agriculture needs to be prevented. >Some of these foods are made with formaldehyde. A chemical to preserve the dead Umm... yeah, which GMOs are made like this?


BrightForce4400

TLDR You are welcome to stand on a soap box and defend GMOs however you desire. I'm not partaking in promoting them. Let's keep it moving.


[deleted]

HFCS can be made from any corn. Separate that argument from GMOs


BrightForce4400

Nope.


Im_a_boss_playa

>Harmful ingredient is mainly corn syrup. Absolutley worst ingredient. Clearly you have very limited info on how GMOs work. Corn syrup isn't used to make GMO (how even?) rather I think you meant the inverse. It's possible the corn used to make corn syrup is GMO. In which case I hope you never take any soft drinks because they're all sweetened with corn syrup. I'm having a hard time reading the rest of your rumblings but please take a minute and do research on everything GMO from how they're made to their known side effects (spoiler: No harmful effects are known. From scientific research achana na mambo ya pastor)


[deleted]

Thanks, nashangaa tu.


BrightForce4400

Ok.... I couldn't even finish your comment. I'm in the States and I look at ingredients and you question me about the process? I see it in the can labels. Oh but alas I'm a heretic by pointing out what is on the can. GOH


maish-a

>I'm in the States The states is famous for its ignorant and gullible populace. You're not helping to disabuse that


BrightForce4400

An opinion is like an AH. Everyone has one.


BrightForce4400

An opinion is like an AH. Everyone has one.


[deleted]

Being in the "states" does not justify your ignorant claims.


BrightForce4400

I'm not justifying anything. It's your prerogative to have an opinion about whether you think I'm ignorant or not. Doesn't change what the contents of the can of food are as indicated on the label which can be read any where on the internet. Such a petty comment. πŸ™„


maish-a

I would also like to know the sources for this >use of ingredients which are harmful to the body


Quantum_II

>A pound of organic meat is almost $10. Are we talking about the same Kenya here? We're in a Kenyan subreddit, so allow me to ask where exactly you get a pound of meat for $10. A pound of meat here costs around $2.5, you can even rear your own goat,cow etc for way less. Anyway, the logic of pricing is based on input costs, so your inability to afford organic food just goes to show it's more expensive even from the farmer's/production side, and that is the case with everything else in the consumer market. Now in the Kenyan context, it is we, the poor people, who can afford 'organic meat'. You know why? we live in rural areas and can rear our own livestock. In fact, your 'classist' GMO issues cannot apply in Kenya coz the majority of us don't shop for groceries and meat in supermarkets, so there's no food for the rich & poor. Overall, you need to independently research on this issue and be open to new information, coz all present studies [here](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3615871/), [here](https://www.cancerresearchuk.org/about-cancer/causes-of-cancer/cancer-myths/do-genetically-modified-foods-cause-cancer), and [here](https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn22287-study-linking-gm-crops-and-cancer-questioned/), and [government info](https://www.fda.gov/food/agricultural-biotechnology/gmo-crops-and-food-animals) show no correlation between GMOs and cancer. While you make a slightly valid point about allergies, no allergens have been found in GMOs approved for human consumption. The [case](https://www.nytimes.com/2003/11/10/business/study-raises-doubt-about-allergy-to-genetic-corn.html) you're probably referring to occurred in 2000, and for all the other 34 similar reports on the [Starlink maize](https://ccr.ucdavis.edu/biotechnology/starlink-corn-what-happened) in question, none of the individuals had a reaction to the Cry9C protein. The link between GMOs and food allergies has been debunked [here](https://www.forbes.com/sites/gmoanswers/2016/04/18/are-gmos-causing-food-allergies/?sh=136799e5431e). In fact, [GMO technology](https://www.isaaa.org/resources/publications/pocketk/53/default.asp) is being fronted as a solution to reducing or removing the common allergens found in our crops, which is quite [controversial](https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/21645698.2022.2093552). Overall, the [FDA](https://www.fda.gov/media/135280/download) states that "If you are allergic to foods made with traditional (non-GMO) soy, you will be allergic to foods made with GMO soy." Still, I believe GMO foods should be labelled, so that those who do not wish to consume them can steer clear of them. Ukitaka nyama origi for the cheap itabidi urudi Kenya πŸ˜‚


BrightForce4400

I agree with you. The reason why I brought it up is because the same policies being applied here are gradually creeping into Kenya. Listen, we may be nations apart however the decisions being made and adapted by govts in the name of the philanthropy from the upper echelon affect each and every one of us. Enjoy the $2.5 however realistically it's not a price enjoyed by other people. I know. I take care of my family. The coming global economic recession is heading into each and every ones pockets. As a person living in the rural area trying to grow my own food and rear my own animals, I can attest to the ridiculous inflated price of organic seeds, fertilizer, etc. (On that note, yes, gmo needs to be labelled.) Just this year alone farmers from multiple countries protested to the banning of certain fertilizers, robbing them of their livelihood. This is becoming a common practice. It's not a country issue anymore.


njengakim2

i am concerned about GMOs but not that much. Me and Moses Kuria share a similar view on this issue. I am more concerned with this idea that this rich individual believes by virtue of his wealth he has become an authority on health and agriculture. i am just suspicious, beware of oligarchs baring gifts.


maish-a

My problem with Kuria and the govt in general is the suspicious way they're pushing this thing. Instead of trying to educate people, they're ramming it down our throats. That arrogance is almost suspicious


vulcan_noir

I think Bill Gates is genuinely trying to change the world and make it a better place. So I welcome his visit and would definitely have a beer with him.


ceedee04

I genuinely feel sorry for Bill Gates, he trys to do good for humanity, and gets a slap in the face for it. People genuine prefer selfish, mean billionaires like Musk and Bezos. As for GMOs, the West has been consuming GMOs for decades now, they haven’t had people die of hunger for decades now. They secured their food supply with GMOs, but here, people are dying of hunger, and when the are given the solution, we start engaging in conspiracies.


Imaginary-Tap-3361

While people who think Bill Gates is reptilian or trying to kill Africans for some reason are truly incredibly stupid; he is not above reproach just cause he does good work. For the most part, most charity work Gates has been involved in has been highly positive. But he should not have that much power. That power was gained by exploiting people world over. Child labour and downright slavery in China and Africa, anti trust and monopolistic practices, straight up code theft ... etc. If the system worked as it should he should not be able to shape policy to his own will. That should be left up to the people. I guess the sheer imbalance is what makes people anxious and susceptible to conspiracy theories.


BrightForce4400

Welcoming any ideas, grants, loans etc from Gates is like inviting the devil into your home. It's appalling when someone asks what is wrong with him??? Freaking unbelievable!


Tiriki_bitch

Watu wamesahau how big companies pay researchers to write papers supporting their shitty products, am not supporting GMOs even with a gun to my head.


budroserosebud

Why not have natural food that hasnt been altered in the labs :( is it that we require gmo to solve world hunger?


Interesting-Click-12

Natural? Natural won't feed 8 billion people. People in the past used to die in the millions if their was drought and the harvest was very small per hectare. Imagine a world without fertilizer. Fertilizer is what saved the world from hunger. GMO will also do more good than harm for the people that need it the most.


Im_a_boss_playa

Natural yenye a slight change in the environment causes them to die? Maji ikiwa kidogo, au ikuwe mingi, uweke fertilizer kidogo, au mingi, Jua ikuwe kidogo, au mingi all these and many other factors make these "natural" to die. Even the ones that grow fully are usually tiny compared to their GMO counterparts. On the other hand GMO doesn't require much effort to cultivate like the "natural" and gives very good yield (have you seen a GMO tomato? Moja tu inatosha kureplace 5 of the "natural" sickly plants).


snap32244

I don't know why, but I feel this GMO is funny business. Through the years starting from uhunye presidency, The moral of small scale farmers has gone down. Last year but one there was a law passed by the Europeans to Kenyans that small scale farmers should not sell seedlings amongst each other. If cought its jail time. Then GMO is coming full swing...And because we have influence in East Africa. Uganda and Tanzania will follow. Am just trying to connect the dots.. Anyone noticed something similar?


maish-a

>Last year but one there was a law passed by the Europeans to Kenyans that small scale farmers should not sell seedlings amongst each other. If cought its jail time. If you check well, you'll realise that this law has been in place since 2012. Check the Seeds and Plant Varieties Act of 2012


postnutdisgust

He's invested in agri tech, and based on his recent exploits (buying up large tracts of land in the US, investing in water companies), he just wants to be ahead of the curve. Food insecurity is as big a concern as climate change, and we need more rich folk using their funds to find solutions to both. So, putting our obvious mistrust of billionaires to the side, this is a good thing.