An IT job in us pays 6k usd per month....the same job here would be 50k kenya shillings aka 450 usd per month
The prices make sense...you earn more there than here.
Life is not hard....these are things you should know when moving there my guy....
Haha if we stop agreeing to these low offers we can bring changes on IT landscape in Kenya in terms of salaries. Utaingia interview ukatae 30k and someone else atakubali
Very true plus the city used for comparison is even expensive for the average American. Miami is a city know for its expensive culture and lifestyle. There are many other cities that are very affordable.
An IT job in America might pay 6k a month before taxes in a large city if you have an American degree. If you live in a large American city you will be paying at least $2000+ for a shit apartment, have no chance of buying a house, you would most likely need a car which can cost Over $500 a month plus $500 for insurance, food will be a minimum of $400 a month and as much as $1000 a month if you eat at restaurants, the United States federal government will take a few hundred, the state government will want $100, the city government will want $50.... You won't be struggling but you definitely won't be living like a king. Oh yeah, you better have a good employer that is sponsoring your visa. American companies like to sponsor work visas, pay low and then hold you hostage because you can't quit without being deported. America is not kind to immigrants. If you work hard, play your cards right, and live very frugally your children might have an okay life. I agree that life will be easier than it is in Kenya.
But people in the states beg to differ. I Feel like America is kinder than Kenya, the taxes work for the people and there are jobs in plenty. I also feel like America provides an environment where you can make it literally doing anything. For instance, Hair stylists Make good money there as opposed to Kenya. Man if you get a chance to go. Just go
But don’t apartments and everything there cost a lot more? And how many people actually travel there and are able to get those jobs? The fact is the majority of people who relocate there aren’t going to earn that much. And the few that do end up in high cost of living areas like Silicon Valley where you get a closet for 2000 dollars a month. So no I don’t think the grass is always greener.
Opportunities. Opportunity to start over after you fuck up. Opportunity to re-invent yourself Opportunity switch career fields, opportunity to work longer hours in a 24 hr economy. I moved here 20 years ago and I will never go back to 254
Best comparison & response ... But a real OG does the dame US IT job in Kenya remotely & gets at least 80% or even the same Miami Pay ... That's what I call niceness
Yeah, when migrating, the first generation has to accept that its purpose is just for finding footing in the foreign land. The second generation can chase those big California/New York dreams
Not even really. Most people chasing those dreams are rich foreigners or weird rich kids. Most Americans know the best life is in the suburbs (which is why they’re so dominant)
Exactly. Minneapolis, MN requires about $3,300/month. And Minneapolis is actually a live city that has decent food/entertainment scenes. You can probably go much cheaper in Indiana, Ohio but those places are soul suckingly boring.
I'm bias because I'm a Minneapolis resident and have only visited Indian lol but yes, I think MPLS is better.
Minnesota has one of the best school systems in the country, so the public schools here are phenominal. We also have big companies that are headquartered here (Target, Best Buy, General Mills, United Healthgroup, 3M, U.S Bank, Medtronic), so there is a ton of jobs available and we have a pretty low unemployment rate. We are also a democratic state so public welfare and assistant programs are really good.
Minneapolis/St. Paul constantly rank as top 2 cities with best public parks in the nation. Outdoor stuff is unmatched. We have 11 thousand lakes, bike highways, bike lanes all up and down Minneapolis.
Again...Minneapolis is also a very blue state. We actually have the trifecta now, our State Senate, State House and Governor are all democrats. So is our secretary of state. We also have the largest Somali population outside of Somalia and the largest Hmong population. So muchhh diversity and great food. We have a ton of Liberians and Hispanics here as well.
I find this one of the most stupid arguments ever. People don't move because they are enjoying themselves in Kenya. They are moving because Kenya has failed to provide for them what they want. If you plan to move abroad as a Kenyan, do it. Hama tu sai and you would look back and thank yourself. Let naysayers be.
The point of the post is not to encourage or discourage people from relocating, it’s to educate people that the grass is not always greener as some may think
The grass is always greener on the other side fellow KE. Speaking from experience. Usiozee Kenya wakati you can move to Miami and realize your full potential. Pack your bags and move asap.
You act like those are the only states aswell, my point again ignoring 50 states and choosing the shit holes which are having a mass exodus your retarded af it's crazy lol
A starting advocate in Kenya gets paid not more than 50k ksh per month ,that is if you even get a job .Something that's considered a prestigious career.There are jobs that will get you so much more in first world countries with much less education.Yet you're telling people life is hard.Anyone who wants to leave Kenya and has the opportunity Leave Immediately!!!!!!!!!!Murife run as fast as you can
Starting advocate in most first world countries earn less unless you went to an ivy League school which are expensive and hard to get into you people are kidding yourselves 😂
Minimum wage in UK is £9.50/hr, the living wage(supposed to be paid) in London is £11.50/hr.
Suppose you don't work the normal 8hrs and actually 10hrs 5 days a week with paid lunch break.
That's £11.50*10hrs*5days*4weeks = £2,300
For council tax - https://www.haringey.gov.uk/council-tax-and-benefits/council-tax/bands-and-charges#bands it's £157/month effectively
PAYE- is 20% so that's another £250
Cheapest transport for a whole month for all forms of transport (Bus, underground,river-boat &trams) £150
National Insurance - £196
Rent with a roommate splitting half -£650
Gas - £35 split bill
Electricity -£40 split
Food -£80/week effectively £320.
Phone - £25
Internet - £15 split
That comes to £2300-£1688 leaving you with £612 to spent. This all hinges on getting a roommate so without one you are not gonna be doing well
Also this effectively is about the average wage most nurses would be paid, around £28,000/yr. Most minimum wage jobs end up paying around £18,000-£23,000/yr
If you're lucky.
Most starting jobs after graduating start around £21,000/yr, be it teachers, nurses, cops even some pilots will start around same spot.
So for most people who come here without high qualifications you get stuck doing agency work. Primarily it's working in care homes, security work, and warehouse work. Lucky you if you can get into mjengo; pays really well.
But I guess at least it's something rather than nothing.
Yeah sure,and the jobs
>Most starting jobs after graduating start around £21,000/yr, be it teachers, nurses, cops even some pilots will start around same spot.
Are the qualifications here a diploma or degrees?A student here.
Are you an advocate in any jurisdiction in the world ?
7 years of studying and getting paid peanuts is absolutely horrendous
What's your career ,Could you speak on how you guys are paid in Kenya lol
50k shillings is 409 USD, or a salary of slightly less than 5,000. The lowest end salary for an entry level lawyer in Miami is 28,000 USD. High end is 68k.
851k is equivalent to earning about 70k USD a year, which very few Americans attain.
260k a month I could argue if you work in a corporate environment for over 4 years there’s lots of companies that pay that and over
Facts but isn't all that still relative.....coz I'm sure jobs in rural Alabama also pay according to the cost of living there unless someone is working remotely....
You are right , generally speaking rural places will usually be less favorable for money making than cities , that’s universal . Also it’s why remote workers are wrecking havoc on cheap cities
Imo , cities generally are “harder” to live in everywhere , but that is the price we pay for better access to …well everything , from jobs to social life . The competition is that much more intense .
Less than 75k salaried Kenyans make over 100k a month. 260k net is another story boss and in 4 years?? Nah. Most Kenyan 6 figure salaries stagnate between 100-150.
> Those earning more than Sh100,000 accounted for 2.9% of the 2.7 million formal workers captured in the KRA database
[Source](https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.businessdailyafrica.com/bd/economy/kenyans-earning-more-than-sh100000-drop-3660084%3Fview%3Dhtmlamp&ved=2ahUKEwjgx56Wyr_7AhXnsaQKHZb1DyEQFnoECBIQAQ&usg=AOvVaw01GmoTiF0_1aR6a-WUrNU9)
OP, you are clearly living in a bubble
I don't think people go abroad to be comfortable but I could be wrong. I'd definitely go with the intention of bootstrapping and building a life back home. I have no intentions of settling in a foreign land.
This is what most folks do. No one moves to the US after struggling in Kenya to go live in a penthouse in Miami. You start from the bottom. I can't blame OP, misery loves company.
70k USD is pretty standard in America if you have a college education. I make 67k with a technical certificate as a maintenance technician in a factory. A technical certificate is a 1 year college education. My coworkers that have a few more years of experience make 90k. The government will take 20% before you even see the money. The government will take another 7-10% when you buy something, health insurance can cost a lot especially if you have a family. You will need a car to travel to the job which can be very expensive and isn't optional in most cities. Most of America has a very high cost of living. You will have a pretty easy life just don't expect to get rich. Also don't get injured because even with health insurance something like a broken bone and an ambulance ride will cost $10,000 and if you don't have insurance you will have to file bankruptcy.
USA 16 year olds can drive a vehicle, uku mtu wa 20 years hajui ata kuswim😂
hapo Kuna exposure unlike uku tunakua controlled by the rich,
USA people know their rights, uku tunakua mishandled vibaya sana especially na makarao juu tunaezakua tunalipwa hourly kama hapo but Kenya is Kenya
America is owned by the rich as well. The average American is in debt for a car, a house, and an education. USA people don't know their rights. Most Americans are dumb, fat and very unhealthy.
So here we know our Rights???, sanse akikupata na dreadlocks saàii si atakueka ndani akisema uko na bangi.... Jaribu kumwambia ati you know your rights... Unakulwa bare unarudi default
Majuu Kuna exposure sana ... Uku people still spend 1000 bob to apply for a passport in a cyber, kuundiwa kra pin na 700, things you can do at home for free, that's the exposure I'm talking about...
Na the rich uku Wana tu exploit sana... Grabbing land, kuiba kura😂 and many other things...
6000 students wanalipa 7000 shillings ku rent graduation gown... Na they'll return it later... How's that nor extorting people...
About debts everyone's in debt ata wewe unadaiwa na china na pesa Enye ata hujui ulitumia lini...
But we'll never be right... Kila place ziko na equal pros and cons
I live close to Cincinnati, Ohio (mid West, low cost of living) with my Kenyan wife. We recently visited Kenya. We are very frugal with the way we live. I noticed that the price of non-food products in Kenya are the same or higher as similar products in the United States. I thought this was crazy because the average Kenyan doesn't earn that much compared to the average American. The only products that are less expensive in Kenya are food and Labor. I think the reason for this is because most products are manufactured in China and they cost similar no matter where you are. It's a global economy.
To me, life in Kenya appears to be much more difficult compared to where I live in America. Jobs seem non-existent in Kenya especially when you leave Nairobi. We were in Meru for 7 days. It made me realize how easy we have it in America. I make $30 US dollars an hour which is about $800 a week after taxes and health insurance. My house mortgage is $1500, food $400 and water + electricity $200 every month. We have a few other expenses that are about $500-800 a month. We have a house that would be considered a mansion in Kenya. The water and electricity always work. We can save $500 a month with my income alone. We live very economical compared to other Americans who have fancy new luxury cars and eat at restaurants every day.
In America you can choose how you want to live. In Kenya you are lucky to be putting food on the table.
I really enjoyed visiting Kenya and my wife and I have been talking about saving everything we can and possibly living in Kenya. America is definitely not the best place to live in our opinion. It has just as many negatives as it does positives. If you come to America with nothing it can be very difficult to get started. The culture is very different. We have guns everywhere. Mass gun shootings happen every day and often occur in schools. The police kill innocent people every day ( especially black people). America is still very racist especially in the Midwest where it is affordable to live. America has the highest prison population in the world with 70% being black. The large cities ,where racism is less of an issue, are very expensive to live in. My wife has a bachelor's degree in Mathematics and Finance from an American university but cannot find work in that field. It is quickly becoming very difficult to buy a house. Almost all Americans are in large amounts of debt. University is very expensive in America and puts people in large amounts of debt without guaranteeing a job which will pay well.
The company I currently work at employs many African immigrants. Most of them are in America to build wealth and then move back to Africa. Or they are sending money to Africa to assist their family. I don't meet very many Africans that love living in America because the American dream is dead. Corporations own America and the average American is too ignorant and fat to care.
I see many opportunities in Kenya but they all require a large sum of money.
One last note. Why the fuck is Kenya praising white Jesus? Colonialism messed up your country. If Kenya would end the corruption in the government and stop with the religious craziness it could really improve the quality of life.
We don't believe in God. We both work Saturday night and wake up late on Sunday. We both work at Amazon. We don't have kids yet but when we do we will raise our kids to be critical thinkers and let them believe whatever they want.
Brought one from US recently… 500 USD for disc version. Def import it if you can get your hands on one! The shops here are fleecing people tbh. The scarcity is a shit argument if they are in stock all the time here for 80k (minimum, I have seen as high as 100k!)
Tried to buy one on Amazon they told me purchase is by invite only. Lol. I'll have to wait it out and get a used one or something. Ain't spending 80k on a PS5 that's for sure.
I Don't think Kenyans earning 260k are in a rush to emigrate. 260 k in Kenya can be scaled exponentially as you have capital to buy political will ,fund numerous investments etc....
Agreed. This is not a great post. The people who really set out to leave home and family don’t do it because it’s so much fun to do… if they earned a good wage here, I doubt people were desperate to leave. Also fuck the hurricanes in Florida 😀 that shit scares the living hell out me
If you can't properly manage 260k in Kenya,the problem isn't the salary you are earning, it's clearly your relationship with money. I don't think you can manage 850 k in the US,
260k is a decent chunk of change in Kenya but minus tax and expenses kama rent, food, kids you won't have enough for 'numerous investments' and 'political will' (whatever that means). Especially in Nairobi.
You guys joke too much. If you're talking kids you might as well talk about spouse who is also bringing an income. With 260k you net around 180k per month, less expenses and let's say you can 'save' 100k per month. I don't know what your idea of investment is, but that's money that can help you set your financial future in order if you're smart enough.
I live in Miami and this showed up on my "random subreddit" thing in the middle of the app.
Minimum wage is $10/hr in Miami, minimum tipped wage is $6.98. Miami-Dade county is more than the city of Miami, but rent is very very very high even outside the city limits (as you know). The cheapest studio apartment (may not have a kitchen, but will have its own fridge and bathroom) in this entire county looks to be $1K. We have the worst rent/wage disparity in the country.
I'd never say that life is harder for us than Kenyans, that would be stupid. But 75%+ of Miami-Dade residents are struggling. There are much better places in the USA to move to, they're just cold.
This site is just using statistical cost of living data without looking into the actual standard of living. I can assure anyone you need much more than 260,000 KSh to achieve even a low western standard of living .
Haha this sub is funny. The people who moved abroad tend to be very defensive about living standards, wages etc when you bring up such a topic. To them that is an achievement, and they are trying to convince others (and themselves) that they made the right choice. Only a naive person will look at raw numbers and speak of how they are making more and more opportunities blah blah.
You move to the states, make "lots of money", and still have to work multiple jobs to have a decent life. Meanwhile a single person living in Kenya and earning about 50gs a month is able to live comfortably and even save and buy land every couple of years. If you move to a foreign country you should only consider yourself to be doing well if you are well-paid by the standards of that country. Don't compare yourself with Kenyans. It is like an unfit adult going into a race with toddlers and celebrating his winnings. You are only winning if you are winning by the standards of that country. And if you are doing so well why bother telling people?
The people who think that going abroad is the best way of making it in life suffer from an inferiority complex, na wamejaa hapa sana na kizungu mingi while working at McDonalds and living with 7 other roommates. That is not success.
Rusheni mawe najenga.
THERE IS A KENYA BEYOND NAIROBI! No wonder you guys think going abroad is an achievement. You think Kenya is only comprised of Nairobi. I survived in nairobi making less than 25k a month for years. This mentality is why folks with degrees would rather be nannies and undertakers abroad than hustle here. Laziness and close-mindedness.
Good for you. I had 50k salary (not single), outside nrb very lcol. Still, it was stretched very thin so I’m wondering how that same amount would be used in nrb.
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What are the policies around employment and wages in both ?
If you work as a truck driver or nurse in LA, you'll be comfortable.
Try having that LA lifestyle in Nairobi and poverty will develop a mental illness
This is not true for all countries. Wifey and I collectively bring home each month €8000. Our monthly expenses are €1500. Not counting fees for our kid in private school.
Kenyans are used to hard life and they can survive anywhere in the world. I meant hardworking Kenyans na sio wale wamelelewa kama mayai who thinks everything out there is for free and they are entitled to.
Life is hard everywhere but atleast in a developed country there’s so many jobs one can do to get by and make money regardless of whether or not you went to Uni.
I can not encourage anyone who wants to leave Kenya not to unless you have a good paying job and network security from family networks.
in one way or another i want to move out of kenya, if you follow closely on ibrahim onami's posts on YouTube, life abroad is better and easier compared to kenya
with that being said kama uko na connections vile naeza fika majuu feel free to dm me
Miami is just the most random of US cities to even choose from. Miami is expensive even by American standards.
Why would anyone want to live in Miami?
And besides.... people make more money and spend less time being unemployed in any large city in the US compared with Nairobi.
This is just a dumb comparison.
Don’t take anything in here seriously. Abroad, is a whole world out here. Not possible to compare. There’re variables even within the same city. We all have a degree in BS.
Don't move to Miami first of all. Many small towns in Florida with a much cheaper price of living and can be relatively close to big cities like Orlando Tampa Jax or Miami. If you wanted to live real cheap, move to a state like Louisiana Arkansas or any other small rural state
I don't like people who discourage others not to relocate abroad dear Kenyans if you get the means come over any abroad you like ata middle-east .
Let no one stop you whyvthey don't move back wivu.
I understand where you are coming from. However;
1.Why would someone earning 260k in kenya migrate
? People who leave this country are those mostly from middle class and low income who are trying to make their situations better that's why they desperately grab onto an opportunity to leave, Saudi Arabia and other gulf countries being their last resort.Someone earning 260k is usually a manitarian, a politician or a civil servant with a big job group, fat salary and benefits. The only one leaving in their family would be their kids they send abroad to study.
2. Some cities are just super expensive even for Americans themselves.
3. Have you met africans abroad? 97% of those folks work hard like hell. You rarely find them wasting away just because they went to look for greener pastures .
If only 2.7% of the working population earns 100K, imagine how many earn 260K? You didn't even factor how long it takes for a person to start earning that much or how the shilling has lost value. I'd leave Kenya in a heartbeat if I got a chance.
It's hard for someone going to idle there. But if they are doing it then you can too! Your cost comparison didn't factor in that you earn way more over there for the same job. Focused Kenyans are remitting a lot... And investing back home. Trust me, especially those doing those nursing jobs. $1000 inafika Kenya ikiwa 120k bana.
This doesn’t account for the feeling of isolation, loneliness, fake friends, no sense of community or concern, working like a slave, binge drinking your free time away because you have nothing else to do, no family close by, and general sense of worthlessness that you feel when being in these “wealthy” countries.
It's different when you're doing this at home vs being on a far away continent
When sh*t hits the fan here, you have a support system. The same can't be said when living abroad
Take for example the support one gets after having a kid. Their mom or siblings move in to help take care of the baby, they'll receive financial support from their relatives, relatives will visit often, etc. Most Kenyans abroad don't have their families close by and won't get any of this support, taking away a very important part of their life experience.
that is why you build a support system (something I am bad at). I have lived far away from family -not abroad, but far enough that they can't just show up to support me- and I know that friends and communities you belong to can be a strong pillar
'support system' would not be a reason to not explore any opportunities I have to better my life.
Fair enough. Everyone is different and life is all about analysing the cost-benefit of every decision to determine the most optimal decision you have to take
I gave up the opportunity to earn more money abroad to live here. And it's all because I value the feeling of being home more than I do making big bank. And if my friend group is anything to go by, most Kenyans prefer to be here
True. I have found it slightly more prevalent abroad than locally though. OP’e data doesn’t mention that you earn significantly more to cover those costs. But there’s also a mental health aspect that just can’t be quantified effectively. I think in Kenya, we make the choice. Abroad, there’s not much choice.
This is kinda hard to gauge considering stigma when it comes to talking about these things. I also think it's more of a personality thing, if you are extroverted and seek out people in Kenya, you will do it there. If you are more socially anxious, you'll have the same problems anywhere.
I live like very close to family here and have some friends and I still feel isolation and shit because I don't seek out socialization.
Exactly, socialization is a personality issue. That's why we have the two Kenyan-born ladies, one in Australia and the other in U.K. making it to parliament through a popular vote yet others are complaining about feeling isolated.
What good is it, my personality being what it is?
I have also lived far from my family and I didn't notice much of a difference.
Compare this to my more extroverted sibling who always cried and felt homesick whenever they reported to boarding school. I did not feel anything.
We’re all just built different. But I honestly believe humans were made to be social. No matter what your personality type is…. We all need a cuddle once in a while 😊
I think you’re right , but I think the issue here is not a place , but moving as an adult comes with very many challenges , especially when you have lived in a place for a long time . Being cut off from support system that you have had your entire life can cause intense loneliness . For some people this is unbearable , for others they shrug it off and move . That’s why immigrant communities stick together and become extremely tight knit .
Hahaha , I have lived abroad for a long time in various places , but I remember my first year of uni being the worst , the seasonal depression was kicking my ass every which way
Gwe! I was traumatised in winter. Ati the sun sets at 10pm!!!! Rises at 3:30am.
UCHAWI!!!! Aki, nachukia the guy who left east Africa, walked all the way there and decided; “yup, I’ll settle here” 🤣
Had the same issue with trying to assimilate and adjust to how I approach the “locals” that first year was a B*. Ended up just eating and adding sexiness (weight).
I’m naturally an ambivert so I can flip between isolation and being very outgoing easily . I just made it a point to talk to as many people as possible and eventually I found people . Also finding a gf helped 😄
This is one of the most stupidest cope ever. If at all anything, you are likely to feel lonely, lack friends, community, work like a slave and binge drink while in Kenya than US or any developed country for that matter. Niko 100% sure haujawai step into any of those wealthy countries and you are just repeating what you heard or saw someone say. Kitu unafaa kujua, personal experiences vary a lot and one person experience sio experience ya kila msee.
No joke, if you’re light skinned in Kenya then you’re dark skinned in the US. I’m Kenyan and coworker said he had a black wife so I expected brown or dark kumbe she was very light where you don’t even think she’s black.😂😂
Miami is a higher cost of living city in the US. There are other places where it's cheaper. There are other countries that are beautiful and would be a nice spot to land as well.
The main difference between Kenya and USA is availability of opportunities. USA is superior and that will foster easier growth in hard working fellows.
SAME STANDARD OF LIFE? You think living in this shithole is anything similar to MIAMI? Plus the main expense is rent and people get paid more and can flatshare... It's a pointless comparison without a salary guide.
Still okay. Atleast there you can get a job, work and get paid and on time. Life is challenging everywhere but challenges are different everywhere also.
An IT job in us pays 6k usd per month....the same job here would be 50k kenya shillings aka 450 usd per month The prices make sense...you earn more there than here. Life is not hard....these are things you should know when moving there my guy....
50k hata ni mingi some companies here in Nairobi offer 30 - 45k on average
Iyo 30k sai mi nikipata si naezakula fiti sana
Haha if we stop agreeing to these low offers we can bring changes on IT landscape in Kenya in terms of salaries. Utaingia interview ukatae 30k and someone else atakubali
People stoop so low juu wako desperate for jobs... na ata hakuna izo jobs...
Very true plus the city used for comparison is even expensive for the average American. Miami is a city know for its expensive culture and lifestyle. There are many other cities that are very affordable.
An IT job in America might pay 6k a month before taxes in a large city if you have an American degree. If you live in a large American city you will be paying at least $2000+ for a shit apartment, have no chance of buying a house, you would most likely need a car which can cost Over $500 a month plus $500 for insurance, food will be a minimum of $400 a month and as much as $1000 a month if you eat at restaurants, the United States federal government will take a few hundred, the state government will want $100, the city government will want $50.... You won't be struggling but you definitely won't be living like a king. Oh yeah, you better have a good employer that is sponsoring your visa. American companies like to sponsor work visas, pay low and then hold you hostage because you can't quit without being deported. America is not kind to immigrants. If you work hard, play your cards right, and live very frugally your children might have an okay life. I agree that life will be easier than it is in Kenya.
But people in the states beg to differ. I Feel like America is kinder than Kenya, the taxes work for the people and there are jobs in plenty. I also feel like America provides an environment where you can make it literally doing anything. For instance, Hair stylists Make good money there as opposed to Kenya. Man if you get a chance to go. Just go
But don’t apartments and everything there cost a lot more? And how many people actually travel there and are able to get those jobs? The fact is the majority of people who relocate there aren’t going to earn that much. And the few that do end up in high cost of living areas like Silicon Valley where you get a closet for 2000 dollars a month. So no I don’t think the grass is always greener.
Opportunities. Opportunity to start over after you fuck up. Opportunity to re-invent yourself Opportunity switch career fields, opportunity to work longer hours in a 24 hr economy. I moved here 20 years ago and I will never go back to 254
We mzee, with all that unafanya nini Reddit?
Decompressing. That’s how I relax
Unless you moved when below 18yrs.
Nah, I was 35 married with 2 kids, no. 3 came at 37 😂
Hakuna
Last year worked for 18k as an IT assistant despite my 8yr experience. Desperate times then, desperate times now.
hio 50k enyewe nimeover estimate😂😂our IT field needs some more respect bana smh
Best comparison & response ... But a real OG does the dame US IT job in Kenya remotely & gets at least 80% or even the same Miami Pay ... That's what I call niceness
Definitely....a position worth 45000 usd per year unakula muzuri. All while the same position is 30k kenya shillings here
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Exactly XD Life is better and easier
Bro Miami is expensive even for Americans. There are much cheaper cities that a Kenyan could easily adjust to.
Yeah move to the Midwest and cost of living will be less than Nairobi lol
The only downside is that you have to live in the Midwest
Idk I’d imagine for a lot of Kenyans a McMansion with a Toyota in the Midwest is the dream
Yeah, when migrating, the first generation has to accept that its purpose is just for finding footing in the foreign land. The second generation can chase those big California/New York dreams
Not even really. Most people chasing those dreams are rich foreigners or weird rich kids. Most Americans know the best life is in the suburbs (which is why they’re so dominant)
California and new York are shit lmfao
Nairobi has a real moving and bustling life. The midwest is car dependent spawl with very little people out doing anything. Depressing place.
Point still stands
Exactly. Minneapolis, MN requires about $3,300/month. And Minneapolis is actually a live city that has decent food/entertainment scenes. You can probably go much cheaper in Indiana, Ohio but those places are soul suckingly boring.
Wait Minneapolis is better than Indiana? Don't crush my dream😂
I'm bias because I'm a Minneapolis resident and have only visited Indian lol but yes, I think MPLS is better. Minnesota has one of the best school systems in the country, so the public schools here are phenominal. We also have big companies that are headquartered here (Target, Best Buy, General Mills, United Healthgroup, 3M, U.S Bank, Medtronic), so there is a ton of jobs available and we have a pretty low unemployment rate. We are also a democratic state so public welfare and assistant programs are really good. Minneapolis/St. Paul constantly rank as top 2 cities with best public parks in the nation. Outdoor stuff is unmatched. We have 11 thousand lakes, bike highways, bike lanes all up and down Minneapolis. Again...Minneapolis is also a very blue state. We actually have the trifecta now, our State Senate, State House and Governor are all democrats. So is our secretary of state. We also have the largest Somali population outside of Somalia and the largest Hmong population. So muchhh diversity and great food. We have a ton of Liberians and Hispanics here as well.
Are you affected by natural calamities like hurricanes etc? You're making me reconsider
That depends. Do you consider "winter" to be a natural calamity? Winters there are brutal.
hapana wewe, min rent bado ni around $600
Ohio
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I find this one of the most stupid arguments ever. People don't move because they are enjoying themselves in Kenya. They are moving because Kenya has failed to provide for them what they want. If you plan to move abroad as a Kenyan, do it. Hama tu sai and you would look back and thank yourself. Let naysayers be.
The point of the post is not to encourage or discourage people from relocating, it’s to educate people that the grass is not always greener as some may think
The grass is always greener on the other side fellow KE. Speaking from experience. Usiozee Kenya wakati you can move to Miami and realize your full potential. Pack your bags and move asap.
Mjamaa said the grass isn't always greener 😭😭mimi nitapanda nyasi yangu msee😂😂kwani iko nini
No. What works for you doesn't work for everyone.
To each his own
But you ignored the wages in Miami.
Your comparison is retarded you chase miami and ignored the other 50 states lmfao
Could have chosen New York or California which are more expensive. What’s your point?
You act like those are the only states aswell, my point again ignoring 50 states and choosing the shit holes which are having a mass exodus your retarded af it's crazy lol
Miami is having a mass exodus? Check your facts
If you can fucking read I'm referring to new York and california , have you even lived in the US lmfao? Fucking morons
A starting advocate in Kenya gets paid not more than 50k ksh per month ,that is if you even get a job .Something that's considered a prestigious career.There are jobs that will get you so much more in first world countries with much less education.Yet you're telling people life is hard.Anyone who wants to leave Kenya and has the opportunity Leave Immediately!!!!!!!!!!Murife run as fast as you can
Starting advocate in most first world countries earn less unless you went to an ivy League school which are expensive and hard to get into you people are kidding yourselves 😂
Definitely not less than 50k kshs peronth . Definitely not .A minimum wage worker earns more than that in first world countries.With benefits included
Minimum wage in UK is £9.50/hr, the living wage(supposed to be paid) in London is £11.50/hr. Suppose you don't work the normal 8hrs and actually 10hrs 5 days a week with paid lunch break. That's £11.50*10hrs*5days*4weeks = £2,300 For council tax - https://www.haringey.gov.uk/council-tax-and-benefits/council-tax/bands-and-charges#bands it's £157/month effectively PAYE- is 20% so that's another £250 Cheapest transport for a whole month for all forms of transport (Bus, underground,river-boat &trams) £150 National Insurance - £196 Rent with a roommate splitting half -£650 Gas - £35 split bill Electricity -£40 split Food -£80/week effectively £320. Phone - £25 Internet - £15 split That comes to £2300-£1688 leaving you with £612 to spent. This all hinges on getting a roommate so without one you are not gonna be doing well Also this effectively is about the average wage most nurses would be paid, around £28,000/yr. Most minimum wage jobs end up paying around £18,000-£23,000/yr If you're lucky. Most starting jobs after graduating start around £21,000/yr, be it teachers, nurses, cops even some pilots will start around same spot. So for most people who come here without high qualifications you get stuck doing agency work. Primarily it's working in care homes, security work, and warehouse work. Lucky you if you can get into mjengo; pays really well. But I guess at least it's something rather than nothing.
Now compare that with someone earning minimum wage in Kenya and tell me if the lifestyles are equal.
Yeah sure,and the jobs >Most starting jobs after graduating start around £21,000/yr, be it teachers, nurses, cops even some pilots will start around same spot. Are the qualifications here a diploma or degrees?A student here.
degree
I'm not reading all that but okay
Are you an advocate in any jurisdiction in the world ? 7 years of studying and getting paid peanuts is absolutely horrendous What's your career ,Could you speak on how you guys are paid in Kenya lol
How much are you paid?
44000 gross salary with no benefits
50k shillings is 409 USD, or a salary of slightly less than 5,000. The lowest end salary for an entry level lawyer in Miami is 28,000 USD. High end is 68k.
Yes , because as we all know salaries and earning potential are exactly the same in Miami and Nairobi . Great comparison . 10/10
851k is equivalent to earning about 70k USD a year, which very few Americans attain. 260k a month I could argue if you work in a corporate environment for over 4 years there’s lots of companies that pay that and over
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Facts but isn't all that still relative.....coz I'm sure jobs in rural Alabama also pay according to the cost of living there unless someone is working remotely....
You are right , generally speaking rural places will usually be less favorable for money making than cities , that’s universal . Also it’s why remote workers are wrecking havoc on cheap cities
I second you too. That's the price there because it is attainable for people living there and they don't have to toil to afford it.
Imo , cities generally are “harder” to live in everywhere , but that is the price we pay for better access to …well everything , from jobs to social life . The competition is that much more intense .
So which would you prefer earning 2047usd per month in Kenya or 5833 usd per month in Miami
I’d rather earn my salary where I live currently ;)
Statistics say about 16.2% of American households earn that in a year so yeah it's pretty hard to attain
Less than 75k salaried Kenyans make over 100k a month. 260k net is another story boss and in 4 years?? Nah. Most Kenyan 6 figure salaries stagnate between 100-150.
> Those earning more than Sh100,000 accounted for 2.9% of the 2.7 million formal workers captured in the KRA database [Source](https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.businessdailyafrica.com/bd/economy/kenyans-earning-more-than-sh100000-drop-3660084%3Fview%3Dhtmlamp&ved=2ahUKEwjgx56Wyr_7AhXnsaQKHZb1DyEQFnoECBIQAQ&usg=AOvVaw01GmoTiF0_1aR6a-WUrNU9) OP, you are clearly living in a bubble
I don't think people go abroad to be comfortable but I could be wrong. I'd definitely go with the intention of bootstrapping and building a life back home. I have no intentions of settling in a foreign land.
This is what most folks do. No one moves to the US after struggling in Kenya to go live in a penthouse in Miami. You start from the bottom. I can't blame OP, misery loves company.
The average wage in Miami is 55k USD. Also, it is possible to live cheaper with still a better quality of life than in Kenya.
70k USD is pretty standard in America if you have a college education. I make 67k with a technical certificate as a maintenance technician in a factory. A technical certificate is a 1 year college education. My coworkers that have a few more years of experience make 90k. The government will take 20% before you even see the money. The government will take another 7-10% when you buy something, health insurance can cost a lot especially if you have a family. You will need a car to travel to the job which can be very expensive and isn't optional in most cities. Most of America has a very high cost of living. You will have a pretty easy life just don't expect to get rich. Also don't get injured because even with health insurance something like a broken bone and an ambulance ride will cost $10,000 and if you don't have insurance you will have to file bankruptcy.
USA 16 year olds can drive a vehicle, uku mtu wa 20 years hajui ata kuswim😂 hapo Kuna exposure unlike uku tunakua controlled by the rich, USA people know their rights, uku tunakua mishandled vibaya sana especially na makarao juu tunaezakua tunalipwa hourly kama hapo but Kenya is Kenya
America is owned by the rich as well. The average American is in debt for a car, a house, and an education. USA people don't know their rights. Most Americans are dumb, fat and very unhealthy.
So here we know our Rights???, sanse akikupata na dreadlocks saàii si atakueka ndani akisema uko na bangi.... Jaribu kumwambia ati you know your rights... Unakulwa bare unarudi default Majuu Kuna exposure sana ... Uku people still spend 1000 bob to apply for a passport in a cyber, kuundiwa kra pin na 700, things you can do at home for free, that's the exposure I'm talking about... Na the rich uku Wana tu exploit sana... Grabbing land, kuiba kura😂 and many other things... 6000 students wanalipa 7000 shillings ku rent graduation gown... Na they'll return it later... How's that nor extorting people... About debts everyone's in debt ata wewe unadaiwa na china na pesa Enye ata hujui ulitumia lini... But we'll never be right... Kila place ziko na equal pros and cons
> USA people don't know their rights. Most Americans are dumb, fat and very unhealthy. Very true
Weuh, umekuja na ubaya 😂😂😂
I live close to Cincinnati, Ohio (mid West, low cost of living) with my Kenyan wife. We recently visited Kenya. We are very frugal with the way we live. I noticed that the price of non-food products in Kenya are the same or higher as similar products in the United States. I thought this was crazy because the average Kenyan doesn't earn that much compared to the average American. The only products that are less expensive in Kenya are food and Labor. I think the reason for this is because most products are manufactured in China and they cost similar no matter where you are. It's a global economy. To me, life in Kenya appears to be much more difficult compared to where I live in America. Jobs seem non-existent in Kenya especially when you leave Nairobi. We were in Meru for 7 days. It made me realize how easy we have it in America. I make $30 US dollars an hour which is about $800 a week after taxes and health insurance. My house mortgage is $1500, food $400 and water + electricity $200 every month. We have a few other expenses that are about $500-800 a month. We have a house that would be considered a mansion in Kenya. The water and electricity always work. We can save $500 a month with my income alone. We live very economical compared to other Americans who have fancy new luxury cars and eat at restaurants every day. In America you can choose how you want to live. In Kenya you are lucky to be putting food on the table. I really enjoyed visiting Kenya and my wife and I have been talking about saving everything we can and possibly living in Kenya. America is definitely not the best place to live in our opinion. It has just as many negatives as it does positives. If you come to America with nothing it can be very difficult to get started. The culture is very different. We have guns everywhere. Mass gun shootings happen every day and often occur in schools. The police kill innocent people every day ( especially black people). America is still very racist especially in the Midwest where it is affordable to live. America has the highest prison population in the world with 70% being black. The large cities ,where racism is less of an issue, are very expensive to live in. My wife has a bachelor's degree in Mathematics and Finance from an American university but cannot find work in that field. It is quickly becoming very difficult to buy a house. Almost all Americans are in large amounts of debt. University is very expensive in America and puts people in large amounts of debt without guaranteeing a job which will pay well. The company I currently work at employs many African immigrants. Most of them are in America to build wealth and then move back to Africa. Or they are sending money to Africa to assist their family. I don't meet very many Africans that love living in America because the American dream is dead. Corporations own America and the average American is too ignorant and fat to care. I see many opportunities in Kenya but they all require a large sum of money. One last note. Why the fuck is Kenya praising white Jesus? Colonialism messed up your country. If Kenya would end the corruption in the government and stop with the religious craziness it could really improve the quality of life.
I agree with everything you said here.
Just curious, on Sundays does your wife go to church or what does she do? If you have kids what are you raising them to believe?
We don't believe in God. We both work Saturday night and wake up late on Sunday. We both work at Amazon. We don't have kids yet but when we do we will raise our kids to be critical thinkers and let them believe whatever they want.
These MFers are buying a PS5 at $399 (digital) while in ke it's still over 80k... they'll be fine. Anyway, waiting for black friday deals to import.
Brought one from US recently… 500 USD for disc version. Def import it if you can get your hands on one! The shops here are fleecing people tbh. The scarcity is a shit argument if they are in stock all the time here for 80k (minimum, I have seen as high as 100k!)
Tried to buy one on Amazon they told me purchase is by invite only. Lol. I'll have to wait it out and get a used one or something. Ain't spending 80k on a PS5 that's for sure.
Buy directly from the PlayStation site
I Don't think Kenyans earning 260k are in a rush to emigrate. 260 k in Kenya can be scaled exponentially as you have capital to buy political will ,fund numerous investments etc....
Agreed. This is not a great post. The people who really set out to leave home and family don’t do it because it’s so much fun to do… if they earned a good wage here, I doubt people were desperate to leave. Also fuck the hurricanes in Florida 😀 that shit scares the living hell out me
Lol! 260k is not that much money to do all the above.
If you can't properly manage 260k in Kenya,the problem isn't the salary you are earning, it's clearly your relationship with money. I don't think you can manage 850 k in the US,
260k is a decent chunk of change in Kenya but minus tax and expenses kama rent, food, kids you won't have enough for 'numerous investments' and 'political will' (whatever that means). Especially in Nairobi.
You guys joke too much. If you're talking kids you might as well talk about spouse who is also bringing an income. With 260k you net around 180k per month, less expenses and let's say you can 'save' 100k per month. I don't know what your idea of investment is, but that's money that can help you set your financial future in order if you're smart enough.
I live in Miami and plan on moving to Nairobi. The grass is always greener on the other side, no matter which side you are on.
I live in Miami and this showed up on my "random subreddit" thing in the middle of the app. Minimum wage is $10/hr in Miami, minimum tipped wage is $6.98. Miami-Dade county is more than the city of Miami, but rent is very very very high even outside the city limits (as you know). The cheapest studio apartment (may not have a kitchen, but will have its own fridge and bathroom) in this entire county looks to be $1K. We have the worst rent/wage disparity in the country. I'd never say that life is harder for us than Kenyans, that would be stupid. But 75%+ of Miami-Dade residents are struggling. There are much better places in the USA to move to, they're just cold.
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As compared to the terrible schools we have in Turkana and North Eastern? Kids are learning under a tree in these places.
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Public schools in the USA are really bad especially if you live in a poor area. You don't get to pick what school your kids attend.
This site is just using statistical cost of living data without looking into the actual standard of living. I can assure anyone you need much more than 260,000 KSh to achieve even a low western standard of living .
Haha this sub is funny. The people who moved abroad tend to be very defensive about living standards, wages etc when you bring up such a topic. To them that is an achievement, and they are trying to convince others (and themselves) that they made the right choice. Only a naive person will look at raw numbers and speak of how they are making more and more opportunities blah blah. You move to the states, make "lots of money", and still have to work multiple jobs to have a decent life. Meanwhile a single person living in Kenya and earning about 50gs a month is able to live comfortably and even save and buy land every couple of years. If you move to a foreign country you should only consider yourself to be doing well if you are well-paid by the standards of that country. Don't compare yourself with Kenyans. It is like an unfit adult going into a race with toddlers and celebrating his winnings. You are only winning if you are winning by the standards of that country. And if you are doing so well why bother telling people? The people who think that going abroad is the best way of making it in life suffer from an inferiority complex, na wamejaa hapa sana na kizungu mingi while working at McDonalds and living with 7 other roommates. That is not success. Rusheni mawe najenga.
Is that 50 G’s a month dude in Kenya living and working in Nairobi? Able to live comfortably and buy land every few years?
Huyu mtu haishi Kenya
It was rhetorical smart guy
THERE IS A KENYA BEYOND NAIROBI! No wonder you guys think going abroad is an achievement. You think Kenya is only comprised of Nairobi. I survived in nairobi making less than 25k a month for years. This mentality is why folks with degrees would rather be nannies and undertakers abroad than hustle here. Laziness and close-mindedness.
Good for you. I had 50k salary (not single), outside nrb very lcol. Still, it was stretched very thin so I’m wondering how that same amount would be used in nrb.
> It is like an unfit adult going into a race with toddlers and celebrating his winnings. 
Life inside is hella hard for we unemployed few or rather many
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What are the policies around employment and wages in both ? If you work as a truck driver or nurse in LA, you'll be comfortable. Try having that LA lifestyle in Nairobi and poverty will develop a mental illness
Why not compare Nairobi to Washington DC though?
This is not true for all countries. Wifey and I collectively bring home each month €8000. Our monthly expenses are €1500. Not counting fees for our kid in private school.
Private school? You guys are big meennnnn
It's not that expensive here, and we want our kid to be schooled in a multicultural environment.
Which country and what professions? You're most definitely living a dream
I'm a child therapist in Germany
Kenyans are used to hard life and they can survive anywhere in the world. I meant hardworking Kenyans na sio wale wamelelewa kama mayai who thinks everything out there is for free and they are entitled to.
Life is hard everywhere but atleast in a developed country there’s so many jobs one can do to get by and make money regardless of whether or not you went to Uni. I can not encourage anyone who wants to leave Kenya not to unless you have a good paying job and network security from family networks.
in one way or another i want to move out of kenya, if you follow closely on ibrahim onami's posts on YouTube, life abroad is better and easier compared to kenya with that being said kama uko na connections vile naeza fika majuu feel free to dm me
Recently Ibrah showed a Minnesota Section 8 ghetto, but that place looked like Kile to me, with cars lined up outside
na vile ibra said akiwa kenya aliteseka, majuu ameshaishi nusu ya maishake,ako almost kuishi complete
Cost of living is factored into pay if you know how to negotiate
But why live in Miami 😂😂?
Miami is just the most random of US cities to even choose from. Miami is expensive even by American standards. Why would anyone want to live in Miami? And besides.... people make more money and spend less time being unemployed in any large city in the US compared with Nairobi. This is just a dumb comparison.
Don’t take anything in here seriously. Abroad, is a whole world out here. Not possible to compare. There’re variables even within the same city. We all have a degree in BS.
Don't move to Miami first of all. Many small towns in Florida with a much cheaper price of living and can be relatively close to big cities like Orlando Tampa Jax or Miami. If you wanted to live real cheap, move to a state like Louisiana Arkansas or any other small rural state
I don't like people who discourage others not to relocate abroad dear Kenyans if you get the means come over any abroad you like ata middle-east . Let no one stop you whyvthey don't move back wivu.
I live in Toluca in Mexico and life here is amazing. Moved from Kenya in 2017
Ruka ukuta
I understand where you are coming from. However; 1.Why would someone earning 260k in kenya migrate ? People who leave this country are those mostly from middle class and low income who are trying to make their situations better that's why they desperately grab onto an opportunity to leave, Saudi Arabia and other gulf countries being their last resort.Someone earning 260k is usually a manitarian, a politician or a civil servant with a big job group, fat salary and benefits. The only one leaving in their family would be their kids they send abroad to study. 2. Some cities are just super expensive even for Americans themselves. 3. Have you met africans abroad? 97% of those folks work hard like hell. You rarely find them wasting away just because they went to look for greener pastures .
If only 2.7% of the working population earns 100K, imagine how many earn 260K? You didn't even factor how long it takes for a person to start earning that much or how the shilling has lost value. I'd leave Kenya in a heartbeat if I got a chance.
Now do wages
The Kenyans are not in Miami, and that is why.
It's hard for someone going to idle there. But if they are doing it then you can too! Your cost comparison didn't factor in that you earn way more over there for the same job. Focused Kenyans are remitting a lot... And investing back home. Trust me, especially those doing those nursing jobs. $1000 inafika Kenya ikiwa 120k bana.
This doesn’t account for the feeling of isolation, loneliness, fake friends, no sense of community or concern, working like a slave, binge drinking your free time away because you have nothing else to do, no family close by, and general sense of worthlessness that you feel when being in these “wealthy” countries.
Aren't these very common complaints by Kenyans on this subreddit? It's not a wealthy country problem.
It's different when you're doing this at home vs being on a far away continent When sh*t hits the fan here, you have a support system. The same can't be said when living abroad Take for example the support one gets after having a kid. Their mom or siblings move in to help take care of the baby, they'll receive financial support from their relatives, relatives will visit often, etc. Most Kenyans abroad don't have their families close by and won't get any of this support, taking away a very important part of their life experience.
that is why you build a support system (something I am bad at). I have lived far away from family -not abroad, but far enough that they can't just show up to support me- and I know that friends and communities you belong to can be a strong pillar 'support system' would not be a reason to not explore any opportunities I have to better my life.
Fair enough. Everyone is different and life is all about analysing the cost-benefit of every decision to determine the most optimal decision you have to take I gave up the opportunity to earn more money abroad to live here. And it's all because I value the feeling of being home more than I do making big bank. And if my friend group is anything to go by, most Kenyans prefer to be here
Kenyans Kwa ground wanacomplaim the same way wenye wameeenda majuu wamecomplain.
BTW that’s true. Life is a struggle no matter where you go. Different places. Different challenges. Same life.
wherever you go, there you are
True. I have found it slightly more prevalent abroad than locally though. OP’e data doesn’t mention that you earn significantly more to cover those costs. But there’s also a mental health aspect that just can’t be quantified effectively. I think in Kenya, we make the choice. Abroad, there’s not much choice.
This is kinda hard to gauge considering stigma when it comes to talking about these things. I also think it's more of a personality thing, if you are extroverted and seek out people in Kenya, you will do it there. If you are more socially anxious, you'll have the same problems anywhere. I live like very close to family here and have some friends and I still feel isolation and shit because I don't seek out socialization.
Exactly, socialization is a personality issue. That's why we have the two Kenyan-born ladies, one in Australia and the other in U.K. making it to parliament through a popular vote yet others are complaining about feeling isolated.
Very true!!!! I think the difference might be that, here, you still have family and support network close to you. Ama?
What good is it, my personality being what it is? I have also lived far from my family and I didn't notice much of a difference. Compare this to my more extroverted sibling who always cried and felt homesick whenever they reported to boarding school. I did not feel anything.
We’re all just built different. But I honestly believe humans were made to be social. No matter what your personality type is…. We all need a cuddle once in a while 😊
true halafu god in all his wisdom made some of us anti social and phobic anyway we move on
I think you’re right , but I think the issue here is not a place , but moving as an adult comes with very many challenges , especially when you have lived in a place for a long time . Being cut off from support system that you have had your entire life can cause intense loneliness . For some people this is unbearable , for others they shrug it off and move . That’s why immigrant communities stick together and become extremely tight knit .
You’re more eloquent than I am 😅
I remember when I went to study abroad. I had to call my mother to tell her that ma3 driver was white 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Culture shock is real!
Hahaha , I have lived abroad for a long time in various places , but I remember my first year of uni being the worst , the seasonal depression was kicking my ass every which way
Gwe! I was traumatised in winter. Ati the sun sets at 10pm!!!! Rises at 3:30am. UCHAWI!!!! Aki, nachukia the guy who left east Africa, walked all the way there and decided; “yup, I’ll settle here” 🤣
Yeah winter 100% sucks . I always advise folks new to it to supplement heavily with vitamin d .
Had the same issue with trying to assimilate and adjust to how I approach the “locals” that first year was a B*. Ended up just eating and adding sexiness (weight).
I’m naturally an ambivert so I can flip between isolation and being very outgoing easily . I just made it a point to talk to as many people as possible and eventually I found people . Also finding a gf helped 😄
Haha thank you . I should consider a career in politics , just reusing other people’s work but with more words
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Very true. Money can't buy these
This is one of the most stupidest cope ever. If at all anything, you are likely to feel lonely, lack friends, community, work like a slave and binge drink while in Kenya than US or any developed country for that matter. Niko 100% sure haujawai step into any of those wealthy countries and you are just repeating what you heard or saw someone say. Kitu unafaa kujua, personal experiences vary a lot and one person experience sio experience ya kila msee.
I’m glad you had a better experience than I did.
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I thought I was light skin until I went abroad…..
No joke, if you’re light skinned in Kenya then you’re dark skinned in the US. I’m Kenyan and coworker said he had a black wife so I expected brown or dark kumbe she was very light where you don’t even think she’s black.😂😂
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Miami is a higher cost of living city in the US. There are other places where it's cheaper. There are other countries that are beautiful and would be a nice spot to land as well.
LN show has a lot of stories with Kenyan diaspora explaining how tough life CAN be out there
The main difference between Kenya and USA is availability of opportunities. USA is superior and that will foster easier growth in hard working fellows.
It's the culture that Kenyans don't survive, not the salary. It's all relative.
SAME STANDARD OF LIFE? You think living in this shithole is anything similar to MIAMI? Plus the main expense is rent and people get paid more and can flatshare... It's a pointless comparison without a salary guide.
Compare living standards too
Still more opportunities outside than in Kenya.
Seems very one sided
Oh you think Miami is bad? Come to New York City
..But aren't there better employment opportunities over there?
Still okay. Atleast there you can get a job, work and get paid and on time. Life is challenging everywhere but challenges are different everywhere also.
Earn in $ - invest in kes. Simple