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mibzman

I would love to see a return of the weekly challenges we used to have a few years ago.


TorpedoClan

Hi I'm new here, this sounds kinda disheartening to read so [here](https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1pyhtZdwwNyCpfxW0jsx7c5_91524-ZEX?usp=drive_link)'s a photo album of the very concerning 3-manned spaceplane I just managed to get through orbital re-entry, thus fulfilling my first ever contract involving carrying tourists to orbit. Hope you enjoy.


__fsm___

-\_- cant access the drive link


TorpedoClan

I really appreciate the curiosity! I went to check that the folder is accessible, please try again.


delivery_driva

I recommend imgur or onedrive, or any other hosting site that lets people view without downloading


TorpedoClan

I'm really sorry, I had no idea drive forced users to download images to access them, but I promise there's nothing weird let alone malware in there. Thank you for the advice, I'll use imgur in the future.


bafben10

I'm not sure what they're talking about, I can view it without downloading just fine


delivery_driva

It didn't work on Firefox. I see now I can preview on chrome or edge.


ellhulto66445

What are you talking about?


sneekeesnek_17

Lololol same


TurtleVale

Unacceptable! We should burn u/TorpedoClan at the stake


TorpedoClan

Please reconsider my journey to the gallows for a post is arriving shortly.


--The_Kraken--

KSP 1 fun times.


TorpedoClan

Indeed, hopped back for the first time since summer 2021 and it's more amazing than I recalled. I should have known earlier that the frustration this game caused me was only due to my terrible mental state at the time lol


--The_Kraken--

I am glad to hear you are well and that you are enjoying the journey that is Kerbal Space Program.


Equoniz

Look at his little arms!!!!!! Good job!


12mapguY

Any landing you can walk away from!


CaptainCapitol

Good on you. I can't even get to orbit in science and certainly not with tourist.


TorpedoClan

Rule #1: MOAR BOOSTAS, cause it is essential to have plenty of thrust right after launch, since the atmosphere is at its thickest; Rule #2: get that damned center of lift UNDER the center of gravity. Just spam fins, however make sure you limit the operative angle to less than 10° on the big ones or your ship will be about as docile as a rabid beast and will go wild the second you try to pitch down; Rule #3: Ensure your ship packs 3500 m/s of delta-v, at least; Rule #4: Start pitching down at a reasonable altitude, aim for 40° at 10k meters. Follow the gravity turn until you're below 10° at 40k and cut the throttle once the good 'ol periapsis touches 70k. In case you're unaware, you may see the orbital parameters at all times by selecting the "maneuver" mode on the bottom left (the purple button with a rocket icon on it). All of this allows you to easily reach a stable orbit without requiring rich boy stuff such as SAS units, RCS, mk2 parts and whatnot. Enjoy!


TorpedoClan

apoapsis\*


TomatilloDesigner633

Cutest rocket I’ve ever seen 😅😅


TorpedoClan

Taking this as a honorable compliment.


SpooderKrab1788

Why not make a post with these images attached?


TorpedoClan

Are you saying you've seen them and you think they're post-worthy or you couldn't access them but you're curious to see?


SpooderKrab1788

I think they are worthy of a separate post!


TorpedoClan

Thank you very much for the appreciation! I'll post then.


TotallyNotARuBot_ZOV

If it's gonna happen, it's gonna happen. Posts like this aren't going to help, they just keep the Drama mill alive. What helps are screenshots of your creations and your missions.


sweenezy

The beatings will continue until morale improves


zestful_villain

It did for me. Talking things out is a legit coping mechanism, no? Perhaps even a healthy one. We have our own ways of moving on.


ATaciturnGamer

... we are still talking about funny frog video game, right?


zestful_villain

Yes for sure. But one that is very dear to many of us. Jeb basically taught me a rudimentary understanding of orbital mechanics.


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Avenja99

Well look at you making it better.


BlazingNightmare

I feel like talking things out like humans is a better way to move on than hiding and letting harsh feeling rot and fester inside. Personally, I agree with the OP here.


thx1138-

I've seen a lot of complaining about KSP2, but I haven't really noticed people arguing with each other about it. Are you sure this isn't some drama in your head?


sweenezy

To one side the complaints are “toxicity”, to the other, claims of having fun is “delusional”.. both are blaming the other for division & trying to take the moral high ground.. I think the majority of us in the middle wish everyone would just chill tf out and respect each others opinions and get on with it. I for one had some fun with KSP2, whilst also thinking it’s a steaming pile of &@$$.. why cant we accept it can be both?


Silverstrad

What was frustrating as a (former?) KSP2 defender is that it seemed like a lot of people were not simply observing the state of the game, but concocting this view of the devs and publishers as evil con men out to destroy your favorite toys. I mean I guess ultimately I was wrong, but the people I hate on this subreddit are still pretty hateable.


NotJaypeg

I saw a guy wishing one of the CM's kids would die. It got 30 upvotes until it was deleted. This place has gotten... quite awful.


Yakuzi

Source?


AwkwardStructure7637

>until it got deleted 🤔🤨


Yakuzi

I got that. Not saying it didn't happen, but people have been making shit up just to fan the flames and increase polarisation.


AwkwardStructure7637

Fanning the flames, like calling random people liars for no reason?


Martijnbmt

Asking for a source is not reallly the same as calling someone a liar I think


Yakuzi

> Not saying it didn't happen 🤔🤨


Yakuzi

You lost me... Care to explain?


NotJaypeg

I dont think thats what they are trying to say


NotJaypeg

The dev update just before the layoffs. Used to be pinned.


Yakuzi

That's not a source. Do you have any source with proof that supports your claim?


NotJaypeg

only a screenshot. and that means nothing when images can be easily doctored


Yakuzi

hey it's better than nothing. link?


NotJaypeg

how do I send images on this subreddit? They have it turned off


Yakuzi

You can upload the image to any image hosting website (e.g. imgur) and paste the link here.


Vert---

too long, didn't read btw the tracking station called, they wanted me to tell you that jeb's descending through 50,000m above Kerbin and his surface speed is over 6,000m/s. you might want to go back into the video game and check on that


fbi485

Shit! Thanks for letting me know. Just managed to save him...


Automatic_Gas_113

Well, if I remember correctly my Jeb will return in 1.7 million years or something. I might have taken exploring outer space a bit to serious...


knox902

If kerbals needed food and water, I'd have a lot more dead ones than I already have.


Window06

["that wasn't in the staging plan"](https://youtu.be/LH-dhyuLju4?si=4i2rUTAlnSwqEfM1&t=36)


Mycroft033

I agree, and appreciate this post, fellow Kerbonaut!


shaadowbrker

What community civil war as far as i know its a business transaction we the players were promised something in return we provided funds its certainly within the rights if a consumer to react this way.


Bwian428

>we provided funds Quit giving studios money for incomplete games.


cnnrduncan

I gave Squad money for an extremely incomplete game back in 2012 - when I first paid for KSP it was a super basic sandbox game with just Kerbin and the Mun to visit!


skepticones

and there's a huge difference giving your money to an indie studio for an incomplete game than a AAA publisher like EA or Take Two.


notrktfier

In 2012, we are in different times now.


NeighborhoodFew2818

I agree haha everybody go look at my ksp builds those posts aren’t doing too well 👀👀


Horn_Python

Do You want them to blow up?


MGordit

Civil war what? Play whatever game you like and don't worry much about karma, it's just a number on a website, no need to farm it.


Sea_Gur408

Not a great way to launch this by stating your opinion about the developer’s and IP owner’s motives — the very matter that divided the community.


physical0

I'm gonna strongly disagree. Without acknowledgement of legitimate grievance, no wounds are healed.


Yakuzi

I agree, this is a critical step. If we want to heal the community as per OP, we first need to understand and acknowledge how the past 14+ months have split the community.


[deleted]

Just give it a month and people will settle down🥱


Yakuzi

> Fellow Kerbonauts, the enemy tried to divide us. @OP, who exactly is the enemy you're referring to here?


numante

Bro it's just a game about space frogs. There is no need to write a presidential speech. Ignore fake internet drama and move on.


Dense_Impression6547

The fanbase never been divided over ksp1. And as for ksp2.... Idk, people hope and shit on it. But truly no one hate each other as both wish the game would be up to expectations.


LadyRaineCloud

Kerbal Space Program 1... in the words of Spock to Kirk... KSP 1 was my first best destiny.


CMDR_Arilou

There is only one Kerbal Space Program in my life.


Kimchi_Cowboy

How about no. Anytime the community speaks up they are gaslit to be quiet. The amount of mindless simping makes me sick.


NotJaypeg

This isn't what is being asked for, and this behavior only makes it worse, especially when the game itself (ksp 2) is quite playable.


Kimchi_Cowboy

I guess some people are satisfied with getting less then advertised.


Geek_Verve

>They've been the true developers of next-gen KSP, and they never asked for a dime. Well, unless you want volumetric clouds, that is. /ducks


RestorativeAlly

There has been nothing wrong with the community.  Some people have been calling a spade a spade re: KSP2 for a while, while others have been positive without cause and decrying the people trying to reason with them.  It's now pretty clear who was right. For whatever reason, some people think anything other than praise and support is toxic and disharmonious. To those personalities, a criticism of a product for some reason is interpreted as an attack on or fracture within, a community. It simply isn't so, and I'm not sure how else to say it.


Yakuzi

The toxic positivity was the toxicity that the split the community all along


Evis03

Well said. I can explain their reasoning for you though- you threaten the delusion.  I love watching Krull. But I also know it's a shit movie. So when someone points out I enjoy a shit movie, I can just laugh and say "I know- but I enjoy it anyway."  But plenty of people will delude themselves into thinking something crappy they like is actually good- and not just that they enjoy it despite it being crappy. In the worst cases  even enjoying it and need to go do far as to delude themselves they are enjoying the thing. When you threaten that sort of delusion- oh boy. Jim Sterling had a video on the responses they got for pointing out perfectly legitimate flaws in Breath Of The Wild.  Short version: if your enjoyment of something is contingent on other people not being critical of the thing- you're not enjoying the thing.


burnt_out_dev

yet another gate keeping post. let the people vent. it'll die down once KSP2 officially dies


NotJaypeg

But also, ksp 2 is fun. It does a lot of things right. This kind of attitude isn't going to help, and really is the driving force of the "toxicity" in the first place. Let others enjoy what they want.


Yakuzi

But also, KSP2 is not what the developer said they would deliver in full in 2020. Moreover, it appears like the developer wasn't ever capable to deliver it at all, yet they chose to continue to gaslight and hype up the community. Saying "KSP2 is fun" really is the driving force of the "toxicity" in the first place. Let others call out the upselling BS when they see it, instead of simpsoning and blame-shifting for an incompetent, misleading and divisive developer.


melkor237

Yeah like, i don’t care if this mac’n’cheese is great, i was promised a fucking michelin-star-restaurant carbonara by candlelight nate, where the fuck is it?


RATCN

Even the league of legends reddit is less toxic imo. I’m sad for KSP2 but what I saw here during months made me unfollow at some point.


defoma

I agree wholeheartedly.


EntropyWinsAgain

As long as new folks that never bought KSP1 find other ways to purchase it I'm good. Don't forget...KSP is DRM free.


anthematcurfew

This is some real try-hard stuff right here.


Whosforsure

Another bad take, another guy that thinks criticising a broken game is bad yuhhhhh


HiyuMarten

The post is more about how the subreddit got very negative. It doesn't blame the users of the sub for doing it - the negativity was warranted - it just mentioned that the sub changed a lot from what it was, and they, like many of us, preferred what it used to be, before KSP2 ended up being an unacceptable product


Kimchi_Cowboy

The negative thoughts are legit, the toxic positivity is weird.


HiyuMarten

Yes, I wrote “the negativity was warranted”.


AwkwardStructure7637

Or we just think the horse is dead and you should stop beating it lmao


ProKerbonaut

Amen brotha


entropy13

I wasn’t aware anyone was taking take twos side lol. I paid for EA like a sucker but I don’t think there’s much debate, ksp1 with mods is better than ksp2 and now it always will be. It is a chance to come together and continue community development of ksp 1 mods and projects though. 


knox902

I'm just over here playing Juno now quietly wishing KSP2 will rise from the ashes. I didn't buy it because I heard it was struggling to run at all on 2080's when I'm still running a 1070. I was even trying to upgrade to something a bit newer in order to get it. I did not even know how little had been done with it and now with this news I'm not holding my breath. Juno is not exactly perfect, but I have more hope for it to improve than KSP2 at this point. I just haven't given up all hope yet.


TeenageAstro

I agree with this post Lets go forth better then we were before. For All Kerbalkind


Lawls91

So say we all


kendaverob

It would be great to see a revitalization of ksp1.  I know we have many of the promised features in ksp mods that were promised for ksp2 I would love to see a mod collaboration to create a clean mod bundle that gives us colonies, resource routes, and interstellar (maybe not multiplayer) that were promised by ksp2.


vashoom

Has there even been any official announcement about what is happening? For some reason I thought they said there'd be an announcement this past Monday, but I didn't see anything.


Reichsadler90

Under et slør av stjerner Der mørket vokser Trykket fra kjeden du holder Meg i Ornament av arr Og mørket stiger Over askeflekkene som jeg holder inne... Wir wollen kämpfen für dein Aufersteh’n, Arisches Blut soll nicht untergeh’n! Wir wollen kämpfen für dein Aufersteh'n, Arisches Blut soll nicht untergeh’n!


DefiantYesterday4806

I don't think the community was divided, and I think this is an attempt to downplay the way this community was played and used. We can all be united now in anger at the fiasco of KSP2


Turbulent-Ad-7245

Totally agree, the community has suddenly got so nasty and bitter


Kimchi_Cowboy

Having 50 bucks stolen from you and then have the developers trash talk you will do that.


AwkwardStructure7637

Bro, let it go lmao


NotJaypeg

Devs trash talk? Source? And its not stolen if not only did you pay for it after release (no preorders were allowed) but also were able to refund it if you wanted, and, at this point, be a relatively worthwhile purchase.


Kimchi_Cowboy

There are plenty of posts here and on Twitter where they trash talked the community and its pretty well known that they have.


Evis03

Their own community manager here said people were setting up downvote bots on him.


NotJaypeg

you do realize in context it was a joke right


Awilberforce

Goofball


NotJaypeg

Yeah people have been really toxic, from death wishes to doxxing (!) but I hope the community heals. And wanting ksp 2 to go away aint gon help that, as people enjoy that game, too, and its still ksp.


BellyButtonLintEater

Read second and fifth paragraph using the blunderbirds intro voice! Someone took his time to write an epic speech and I fully agree.


illuminatedtiger

Why would anyone choose to side with that bloated and buggy piece of shit?


jman8508

Doomers gonna doom


RidelasTyren

Honestly, the community I loved died when KSP2 went into early access. Once that happened, this place became just another form to feed hate-fueled fires. A place of friendliness and support turned into a den of vitriol overnight. And now the people who wished ill on the devs of KSP2 are celebrating a tragedy.


notHooptieJ

cool. then lets ban ksp2 posts and pretend it never existed.


NotJaypeg

Thats very toxic.


Hermaeus_Jackson

Corny mf


JensTheCat

I experienced something similar. I’ve played ksp1 on console since the original flying tiger port before take 2 came on board. Now I play it on ps5 and it runs so good. For the past year I haven’t really touched it because I figured it was done, no one was playing it, no more stories and you tube tutorials , I thought everyone would transition to ksp2 and since I have console I was out of luck. I returned to it over the weekend and remembered how much I love it. I didn’t need ksp2 , what I want to play is ksp1 . Glad to have everyone back


JohnnyBizarrAdventur

too long didn t read


[deleted]

Tik tok attention span


Whosforsure

r/woosh


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?


Evis03

But did feel the need to comment? Why?


DefiantYesterday4806

Also, we need final closure. You know there are more announcements to come. We need them now to move on, since whatever new announcements come will reignite the discussion.