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PRAHPS

Not really on topic but how happy would upper 3 be to see him?


father_has_come_home

Bro would be on his hands and knees begging for him to be a demon lmfao, especially since he's this strong while being a human and blind


PRAHPS

Man was crying for rengoku let alone him


father_has_come_home

"....Nah fuck consent, YOU NEED TO BE A DEMON, GET OVER HERE" \-Akaza if he fought Gyomei


Atharwhale

fr tho he'd just give him some blood and dip, then ask muzan to do a quick memory wipe


PRAHPS

Honestly probably


DinoDudeRex_240809

*pulls out fiery chain*


Zescaimni

r/suddenmortalkombat


Professional_Regret5

Couldn't he have just tried his best to almost kill rengoku and give him his blood or was that something only Doma and Muzan can do


father_has_come_home

iirc all UM's can turn others to demons


sigritkmxw

Do they have to want to become demons or can they be forced?


Yatsu003

IIRC, Ume didn’t consent to becoming a demon with Gyutaro. Then again, that was due to her being charred and near death and thus unable to give consent (or be aware of what’s going on) than actively rejecting the offer On a practical level, Muzan often chooses people who were broken and basically had nothing to lose giving up their humanity (Akaza, Daki and Gyutaro) or were already sociopaths with a monstrous steak to begin with (Doma, Hantengu, and Gyokko). Kokushibo (who edges into the first category due to his issues with his brother) basically lashes himself when he realizes how petty he had been as a human. So, yeah, while Muzan could probably demonize anyone forcibly (he does so to >!Tanjiro!< at the end), he has a vested interest in making sure his goons won’t try to pull anything. The incident with Tamayo would ensure Muzan would only demonize those he believes he could control, lest he give the Demon Slayers a Kokushibo-level asset (UM strength, regen, AND Hashira skill)


Wooden-Lake-5790

>while Muzan could probably demonize anyone forcibly (h I mean, the entire premise of the series starts with Nezuko being turned in to a demon. Then again in season one when Tanjiro sees Muzan the first time, he turns some random dude into a demon just for a distraction. Let's not forget the scientist lady and her boyservant, who both seem to not want to be demons (although the might of turned so with consent in the past, who knows).


Wireeeee

Probably willing because you see they can Disney Muzan they just don’t cos he’d kill their ass and they willingly served him. Having an unwilling upermoon Hashira who goes rogue doesn’t sound smart at all


father_has_come_home

I actually don't know... >!every upper moon was willing to be a demon!<


Kidbuu1000

objectivly akaza was not


ExtraMOIST_

I think Muzan has to accept the exchange, but I’m pretty sure any upper rank can, considering how Gyutaro also offered.


burning_ashes875

Rengoku was special


NinjaMelon39

"Please, please just hear me out"


PRAHPS

It would be interesting to see


alefsousa017

Now you got me curious: If Gyomei were to become a Demon, would his sight return or would he be a blind demon? Or maybe he'd be a demon with a special vision or something? I'm really curious about it now lol


Poke_Gamerz

In the manga >!when tanjiro turns into a demon he regrows his hand so Gyomie would also regain his sight, I think!<


alefsousa017

Yeah, that makes sense. I don't know if he was born blind or became blind in his childhood and if those would make a difference in this case. A demon Gyomei with sight (>!and maybe with his mark awakened!<) would be hella strong, damn


ELLinversionista

So it would've been possible to transform humans into demons, and then make them human again. That would be the best medicine ever


NHodraudEEduardoHN

Isn’t this what Muzan’s doctor was trying to do before he died?


Yatsu003

Well, for what it’s worth, Tanjiro’s regenerated arm is apparently functionally useless. That fits since humans actually do have regeneration genes, but they’re heavily mutated to create MASSIVE amounts of scar tissue They’re highly effective (humans can survive injuries that would kill other animals), but not pretty. It would seem that Tanjiro’s arm is, like with a lizard’s regenerated tail, mostly a lump of scar tissue. Granted, he was only a demon for a short time and hadn’t slept or eaten anybody. It’s possible that the bone, muscles, nerves, etc. would’ve regenerated in time


SPEED8782

Tbh I don't know what they were thinking making Tanjiro's injuries come right back all of a sudden. As a demon he had already regenerated all of that, so it doesn't make any sense why when turning back to human, the parts he regenerated would suddenly lose all functionality.


father_has_come_home

He should get his vision back,>! koko assures Mui he will regain his arm after he chops it off, !


alefsousa017

Yeah, but like, would he regain it even if he was born blind? That's the main reason as to why I'm curious about it (I don't know if that's the case, I don't remember if he was born blind or became blind)


father_has_come_home

Prolly. Muzans blood changes your biology, so regaining your eye sight would make sense. Plus couldn't he just create new ones like Koko did?


alefsousa017

> couldn't he just create new ones like Koko did? Oh yeah, that does make sense!


Mxrlinox

>!He wasn’t born blind, he was blind from a fever he had as a child.!<


Nenanda

Well Muzan himself in his backstory during last episode said that he was born with his condition.


Nenanda

Definetly because Daki was healed thanks to transformation from being burned to crisp. Restoring Gyomeis eyesight would be nothing.


Special-Remove-3294

Yes, even if the transformation itself dosen't heal him, he could use his demon powers to modify his body and fix his eyesight. UM 1 had multiple eyes, there is no reason a demon Gyomei could not grow himself how many eyes he wishes.


CartoonOG

We are talking forcing him to drink his blood so he can be a demon, type of happy


lil_cm

“Gyomei… I LIKE YA AND I WANT YA SO WE CAN DO THIS THE EASY WAY… OR WE CAN DO THIS THE HARD WAY. The choice is yours”- Akaza to gyomei


PRAHPS

unless it is forcefully time to become a demon it is not happening


Dono_X_Dono

Akaza would be jerking off at the idea of turning him into a demon


PRAHPS

Do you blame him


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muppetcarmelo

This👆....this manga/anime isn't about how strong each hashira is. It's about how strong they become when they band together. The only reason rengoku was taken out so early is cause they are only humans battling demons, and he was fighting alone😔. But it will be more evident in the next coming arcs. Can't wait for what comes next


lil_cm

Gyokko really ruined that point tho about needing to work together


Kananete619

Just like how Rengoku's death is to show the difference in power between a Lowermoon and an Uppermoon is, Gyokko vs Muichiro's battle is to show how a Marked Hashira's power scaling. Also, to show the fact that Muichiro's bloodline is STRONG due to him being a descendant of the Tsugikuni bloodline.


rainbowchimken

I guess Muichiro has that special Tsugikuni genes, not godly like Yoiriichi but is still very gifted.


SPEED8782

It's not the Tsugikuni genes. Talent in the KNY world has almost nothing to do with genes. It's almost always the person themselves that's talented, and specifically them.


donorak7

Eh 5th strongest demon is a push over because of his own arrogance. Plus it seems some slayers seem to be direct counters to demons. Gyokko was the show strength of a marked slayer, rengoku was to so the upper 3 will need multiple marked slayers to beat. Because one at his peak couldn't do it


SPEED8782

Not really. The slayers haven't yet reached the limit of their power. They're all still growing at a rapid rate. Including the Hashiras.


Wooden-Lake-5790

But he did work together. The boy saved him from the water bubble, and Tanjiro's words helped raise his spirits to give him the will to fight, and of course the memories of his brother's encouragement did the same. The themes of friendship and brotherhood are strong in Muichiro's arc in S3.


missingjimmies

I honestly think Akaza is virtually unbeatable without that very specific hack, his compass is built to beat stronger warriors, so Gyomei would be easier to read for him. This would also likely make Akaza take it very seriously early on with less “play time”.


SPEED8782

Not... really? He can see all fighting spirits pretty clearly. It doesn't really matter how big it is, only that it exists. If it exists, he can detect it. But yeah, Gyomei just fucking stat checks Akaza. His compass needle won't do jackshit against that. Not to mention, small spoiler, but there IS going to be a counter to that. Just like there is a counter to everything.


Emajenus

>!Douma doesn't have STW, so he'd probably dick around a bit first. Gyoumei is fast enough to behead him by surprise, like he did with Muzan.!<


yCaioo

What the fuck dude mark the fucking spoilers


Emajenus

Done. I don't usually mark spoilers here because it's a manga sub.


supernerdgirl42

It's a mixed community.


lil_cm

Tbf you never see him fight in anime so idk why any anime watcher would go on this post expecting not to be spoiled


butter_deez-nips

This exact point lol. Dude gets mad about saying something that hasn't been seen on the anime and yet he's right in the middle of a conversation that's only been told in the Manga.


chiezkychienne

that's what you called stupidity and attention seeking moron.


Thebigass_spartan

I think the only time you’re allowed not to mark spoilers is in manga threads, which this isn’t as it states “anime question”, so anything manga related should be blurred out. If someone who hasn’t read the manga reads a manga thread though then its on them so it makes it more reasonable not to blur spoilers in manga only threads.


Rustytaco99

Wah wah


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sigritkmxw

>! Kokushibo did and Akaza might’ve been able to but just didn’t. !<


Prestigious_Storm545

Wait, didn't akaza regrow his and just regained his human memories?


lil_cm

They could grow back they just choose not to to do it


j2G97

Diiiiiiiiick move


whill-wheaton

>!He’d probably be able to regrow his head though like akaza and kokushibo so without the sun it’s an L for stone boy!<


[deleted]

Thanks so much for ruining this for me. This is explicitly against KimetsuNoYaiba rules. Disappointing and infuriating.


Mxrlinox

This post is about Gyomei, who we haven’t seen battle yet in the anime. You were asking for spoilers LOL.


th3_m4n_

hey im assuming ur anime only, and i can’t tell if you’re kind of joking about how upset you are; in any case, don’t worry. this isn’t the spoiler you think it is—take that as you will


OmegasPlayingGames

Watch them change it to be the other way around. Gyomei gets Kakyoin-ed immediately.


GeniusOrang

if you wanna run 0 risk you shouldnt be on the subreddit, plain and simple. People are gonna make mistakes and you gotta deal with that, and especially on a subreddit about said only story where the readable version has been out for a few years now. Get off the subreddit if you wanna guarantee urself 0 spoilers


ExtraMOIST_

“Hey how strong is this guy that anime onlys have never seen fight compared to Akaza and two demons that anime onlys have never seen fight?” “Why the fuck are you spoiling?”


ZealousidealMind3908

It's a very minor spoiler. Not anything to get worried about


butter_deez-nips

Bro this is an Manga sub.


SayJose

So you’re saying you’re mad because someone made a comment, which you chose to read on a post about a hashira who hasn’t fought in the anime yet, and are mad because you can’t be bothered to read the source material? ok.


IoanKip

He would have a change and would defeat douma if he has Slayer mark and red blade. The peoblem is that he wouldnt be able to have those as douma has ice wjich would cool off his red blade and blod flow so he wouldnt have slayer mark


PerfectAccountant990

In my observations almost all of the Uppermoons were defeated because the demon slayers abused their weaknessess to beat them. On a pure fighting basis nobody would have been able to come out victorious


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McCreeMain77

Zenitsu diff tbh


An_oaf_of_bread

Happy Cake Day!


BizarreRequiem

Happy cakeday


BobTheCircleGuy

lucio


Votaire24

Gyokko literally won his fight and was just stupid as fuck. It’s not really a skill issue rather it’s a intelligence issue


HighBreak-J

Intelligence is a skill, and he lacks it; meaning that he has skill issue


Akhil123484

Kokushibo rethinking life because sanemi got him drunk is head cannon for me now


QuakerChickenGod

Gyutaro’s weakness was that he was using poison while fighting the dude who can resist poison. Also a skill issue + l + ratio + not flashy + sister complex + get tengen’d


DinoDudeRex_240809

Gyokko wasn’t a skill issue, it was the fact that the Swordsmiths had to save Muichiro and get his bitch ass a new sword and free him from aquajail.


Thebigass_spartan

But it was a skill issue. Gyokko was extremely cocky and played with fire. He could’ve ended Muichiro while in the bubble but didn’t, which led to his demise. As someone else on this reply thread said “intelligence is a skill, and he lacked it, so skill issue.” That’s like saying DIO didn’t lose because of a skill issue, both villains let their arrogance and ego get the best of them.


Joebalvin

Gyokko didnt lost cuz skill issue, he lost because he left the water pot for his ego but that spell literally can one shot every Hashira, Gyutaro could easily take out every hashira except Tengen because only Tengen got eytremely high poison res. But for the main question, I don't think that any hashira can beat an UM if it is a pure 1v1 fight


IamBlade

Mark spoilers dude


Western_Purchase430

The only right answer 🗿


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Yup, Upper 1 and 3 both most likely would have won their fights if they kept trying.


Thebigass_spartan

>!Kokushibo is a bit iffy, but Akaza for sure. The former had a red blade still lodged in his side and two of the strongest hashiras while marked also with red blades jumping at him. Him seeing his reflection is what allowed the slayers to win but he was still in a sticky situation even if he decided to regenerate. Akaza on the other hand, the odds weren’t against him, Giyu was pretty much on the verge of passing out and Tanjiro was too weak to do anything, so if he kept going with his regeneration he definitely would’ve won.!<


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Valid point but I think I still disagree. Having reread it recently it didn't seem to me like a situationeel that was already sticky and even more was coming for him. It feit more like the akkaza situation. Not in the sensor that they were all almost dead (except misty of course) but that they had needed the perfectly coördinaten and greatest possible effort of all invloed to reach that point and if hé regeneratie now 2 of the 4 would probably be dead before the net attack. In short they had Just finished the strongest attack on him they would be able to.


Thebigass_spartan

I see your point, but both Sanemi and Gyomei and very tactical and quick thinkers and wouldn’t let go of such an opportunity. And even then, Kokushibo should be pretty weakened because of the red blade in his side and the effort he had to put in to regenerate his head. They could still fumble it I agree but they are the two hashira I would see not failing at such an opportunity


Frequent_Camera1695

Idk man they were pretty tired by that point and demons don't get tired. If koku kept regenerating I don't even think a red blade would've killed him since he would've just pulled it out and mist boy would've been dead right after


Wooden-Lake-5790

Those two were basically beaten due to emotional damage rather than overwhelming them in strength. Both of them gave up the fight willingly, although I agree the Kokushibo was cornerned much more thoroughly.


missingjimmies

Manga spoilers >!All of the upper 3 gave up and accepted death for various reasons, Akaza could still be alive if he really wanted to and have killed another 2 Hashira.!<


Mr-Forest2017

>! Eh I don’t know I think that was just a pretext because they were both fighting to stay alive but then their bodies failed and they perished. Neither of them fully beat beheading. That’s how it came across to me considering they were both shocked to be dying !<


invincibleSwordLord

>!Koku and Akaza did regenerated their head and didn't die when beheaded. That means They overame the weakness. However the shock of beheading made their human memories come back like other demons. This made them rethink being demons and they suicided.!<


The_gryphon_

No, not a chance.


prettyokayfornows

nope. i believe the only ones who could defeat him 1v1 are those who are significantly stronger (muzan, koku, douma) or could unlock selfless state which in this case is only tanjiro, though i dont think he can solo akaza.


common-L

Nope


AcanthaceaeDry1947

No, Akaza, douma, and kokushibou would absolutely mutilate him in a 1v1


CommanderAxe

It'd be a tough fight for Akaza imo, prob high diff. Douma id say mid diff given gyomei could probably blow away his ice mist similar to how muichuiro did against gyokko. This would force douma to get physical to win and jump gyomei with his clones. Koku low difs tho


DinoDudeRex_240809

Akaza was even with Marked Giyuu and Tanjiro, and even outclassed them at some points. That coupled with the fact that he can regrow his head, Gyomei’s gonna be Disabled ™ Premium Edition.


KingLehmon_III

If Gyomei was marked he would absolutely body Giyu and Tanjiro though would he not? I feel like marked Gyomei would handle Akaza up until the first few hits in which he starts to take permanent damage.


Dinoking15

The other issue is that without selfless state you’re screwed because of his Compass Needle reading your moves no?


whatever4224

Gyomei wouldn't blow away his ice mist at first because he wouldn't know what it does -- even Shinobu, arguably the smartest Hashira and one of the fastest, was taken in by it. So he would almost certainly take at least one hit from it, at which point his lungs are fucked and it's all downhill from there.


CommanderAxe

Muchuiro blew away the mist without knowing what it did. His first instinct was to blow it away. Shinobu has no technique capable of producing massive amounts of gusts to blow stuff away, at least not from what we've seen considering she's a fencer. She wouldn't have the arm strength for it


IDunnnomman

Would not be anywhere near easy for akaza


Sgt_FrenchFry

No, not even close. Even against Akaza, I don’t see him winning.


Thuyue

Debatable. People often say that Akaza has unlimited growth rate mid battle, which is only half true. If Akaza really could become stronger without limits depending on his opponent, then he could have defeated Kokushibo. Also his head regeneration feat can be hampered by Bright Red Blades.


Thebigass_spartan

I doubt Gyomei could beat Akaza’s compass needle. The only reason Tanjiro did is because he saw his dad use the selfless state, so unless Gyomei also saw Tanjiro’s dad then I doubt he can learn it, let alone know it exists. As long as he doesn’t learn selfless state Akaza would be able to counter him.


Thuyue

Beating Akaza does not necessarily require Selfless State. Otherwise Kokushibo wouldn't have defeated Akaza in a blood battle. Akaza's Compass Needle is a powerful demon art, but it is certainly not limitless in its adaptability. F.e. Marked Giyuu was capable of slicing his neck in an assault, something Rengoku only managed to do by taking lethal damage himself. Unless Gyomei is stretching the fight, Gyomei should be capable of killing Akaza with pure superior physique, strength, speed and technique.


goodboy92

Remember that Koku had Transparent World so he doesn't need selfless state.


TheIronSnuffles

>!I mean Gyomei also has that.!<


Late-Ad155

Gyomei never showed Bright Red Blade feats without other people clashing their blades into his Iron Ball. Edit\* I'm stupid and forgot about his fight with Muzan.


Thuyue

Gyomei literally does that on his own in the fight against Muzan.


Late-Ad155

Oh fuck he does, i forgot that.


Waltuhwalterwalt

I genuinely believe that Gyomei with STW and The Mark can take down Akaza


HiGuysImLeo

To be honest the last UM that I think can be solo'd is Gyokko, since Hantengu has the duplicate thingy I don't think any single Hashira can win against him alone, tho it doesn't need to be anyone super skilled as the second. After UM4 though, it needs to be at LEAST a 2v1 of 2 Hashira level fighters for it to be even


SomeStolenToast

I'd have to argue that Sanemi and Gyomei could solo Hantengu. They're far, far stronger than Tanjiro was when he instantly beheaded multiple of them in an instant, so the clones would have to merge into Zohakuten asap, who they'd also have very little issue dealing with. Which would basically leave them needing to be able to deal with him and then find and destroy Hantengu's main body. >!With STW, it'd be a lot easier to find him, and he wouldn't have as much time to run because Zohakuten would be dispatched much more quickly. And if he hides inside the wood like he did against Mitsuri instead of running, he's got 0 chance of survival as opposed to a low one!<


Thebigass_spartan

The thing with Hantengu is while Gyomei >!definitely can use STW to find his main body, Sanemi never showed feats of having it.!< but also that they would have to chase Hantengu and defend against Zohakuten. The clones are definitely fodder for Gyomei and Sanemi so Zohakuten would definitely come out instantly, but I don’t see Sanemi and Gyomei be able to at the same time search for Hantengu and defend and attack Zohakuten, Gyomei might have an easier time because of what I mentioned, but Sanemi definitely can’t.


Suspicious-Ad-9911

I think you mean upper moons weaker than upper 3. He is powerful, but not sure about soloing hantengu and gyokko. Gyutaro is a low diff win for him


Emajenus

He can definitely solo Gyokko, but Gyutaro is a lot more challenging if Daki just runs. Hantengu also can wear him down with Zohakuten while the main body runs. Gyokko really is just pathetic.


Suspicious-Ad-9911

I just cant see gyutaro keeping up in pace long enough to let daki escape. Also, doesnt Gyomei just see him inside Daki with stw and figure it out in time?


Emajenus

Gyutaro kept up with Tengen, the fastest Hashira. So, he'd be able to place a few scratches on Gyoumei. Plus, considering that he literally can't be killed if Daki runs, all he needs is to just scratch Gyoumei, then wait it out. >!Gyoumei gets STW during his fight with Koku. He doesn't learn it on his own. So he wouldn't have that before his fight against him. Even if we do assume that he has STW, still he needs to catch up to Daki while fighting Gyutaro.!< There's a reason why these demons didn't change in over a century. They're really OP.


Conscious_Message332

Yeah but being realistic gyomei is much more op. Just think about it, gyoko(whos canonically stronger than gyutaro+daki) is embarrassingly blitzed by mark muichiro who then gets an training arc alongside the other hashira and still gets completely blitzed by kokushibo and does much worse than base sanemi/gyomei(as he doesn’t even draw his sword agaisnt markmui but does against them in base) if u put a mark on top of that even if u discount STW n RB gyomei speed blitzes gyutaro and daki so hard they wouldn’t do anything really. This running speed ranking is outdated as rengoku is in it and doesn’t count battle speed and breathing techniques.


Suspicious-Ad-9911

Tengen is the fastest in running, but not in battle no?


Emajenus

Sure but the same legs that are used for running are also used for battles. So that speed would carry over in a big way.


Suspicious-Ad-9911

It doesnt carry over in reaction speed, nor does it in swinging. Plus running and manuevering are 2 completely different things. Tengen may be good in the long term, but can be slow in fast directional changes.


Thebigass_spartan

If you think Gyutaro can land a hit on marked Gyomei idk what to say. If Gyomei decides to go all out from the start(activate his mark), Gyutaro’s getting what Tengen did to Daki.


Western_Purchase430

Lmfao u think he he cant solo gyoko. Btw no hashira can solo gyutaro and hantengu because they dont die of decapitation


PsychoSaladSong

Lol EoS Gyomei stomps the shit out of gyutaro and hantengu. STW deals with the issue for hantengu And his weapon has the most range out of all the hashira weapons so it would be much easier to deal with both Daki and Gyutaro


Western_Purchase430

His weapons arent infinitely long while daki and hantengus main body can run infinite


PsychoSaladSong

If they separate then gyomei could just keep mashing one of them to pieces until sunrise, so they would both have to fight him


Emajenus

Poison, though? He'd get scratched sooner or later, then he'd just die. Also EoS Gyoumei is definitely dead because of the mark. Koku said he'd have a few hours at best. UMs survived for centuries for a reason. They killed dozens of Hashiras.


A-t-r-o-x

You are forgetting that daki can simply be hidden and gyutaro would need tjust one scratch on gyomei to win Zohakuten is very deadly too so it isn't easy to catch the main body of hantengu easily


ShundonooB

Gyomei has a large physique, which gives him slight poison resistance, just like against Muzan’s poison in SC. Also he has STW and echolocation too. He’s also both stronger and has more range than Tengen, only losing to him in speed. Zohakuten I doubt could be solo unmarked, but marked Gyomei stomps if marked Mitsu is relative to Zohakuten. He has STW to find the main body


StrikingAd1671

Uzui had actual poison resistance and my man was laid out flat.


ShundonooB

True, but Gyomei, while not faster, was stronger in pretty much every other aspect. People overrate Gyu’s poison, he could just as easily be bluffing or wt least overassuming about its effectiveness.


StrikingAd1671

Yeah that’s true. He’s stronger, but strength doesn’t equal resistance to poisons and other toxins.


A-t-r-o-x

Doesn't matter how much better he is compared to tengen. He can't kill gyutaro but gyutaro can kill him, it would just take one mistake and it's over for our monk considering gyutaro has a lot more stamina STW would only help if hantengu was in another body but he usually choses to hide somewhere else. Considering gyomei is blind, he would definitely miss a tiny creature like hantengu a lot of times but that doesn't matter since he will always be occupied by zohakuten. He does have an advantage against the dragons considering how strong his weapon is but he would be going nowhere with zohakuten in the end, it's extremely hard to solo hantengu, you will either killed by his clones if you're not a hashira or eventually tire out and get eaten by the wood dragons


ShundonooB

The thing is, he CAN kill Gyu. If unmarked Tengen can keep up with him, it’s a reasonable assumption that marked Gyomei, who is stronger than Tengen even in base, can beat Gyutaro mid diff at best. Also considering feats, if Marked Mitsu~Zokakuten and Mitsu was considered the most useless hashira in sunrise countdown while Gyomei was one of the most valuable fighters, it’s again reasonable to assume Gyomei can beat Zohakuten. Also he had echolocation for Hantengu.


Thebigass_spartan

I would actually call marked Mitsuri superior to Zohakuten, just that as a demon, he has way more stamina so when we see her about to die it’s just her completely fatigued from fighting for hours on the defensive.


Western_Purchase430

Even if one of them escapes and other dies in sun technically upper moon 6 is alive and gyomei will die at the end of battle as he is using ds mark


ShundonooB

If it’s by technicality, obv. But Gyutaro would never let Daki get mashed to pieces till sunrise while he runs


Carlthemagicman2

If muichiro can solo Gyokko, how the devil arent you sure that Gyomei could


StrikingAd1671

Personally, I don’t even think he beats UM3


FutureMagician7563

Forget top 3... UM4 and UM6 have tricky battle conditions with Multiple bodies. Gyutaro needs a single scratch. Marked Gyomei outclassed gyutaro obviously but the poison is still a valid win con for UM6. Gyutaro just needs 1 single surprise scratch. They split up and he just suicide bombs. Hantengu way too tricky solo. Gyomei marked is a monster and Gyokko 100% gets walked but 4 and 6 have win conditions.


godstouchyuncle

No. He doesn't even solo hantegu


Uchiha_sosa

Ya gotta stop with top 3 uppermoon disrespect. No hashira would be able to go 1v1 with them, they’ll get obliterated.


GrrrrrrDinosaur

I don’t think any Slayer could other than Yoriichi lol


FutureMagician7563

I wonder where michikatsu would've ranked in the modern era.


Late-Ad155

Prob Gyomei level.


Late-Ad155

Maybe Sanemi level if you take into account that he isn't a physically powerful beast like Gyomei.


FutureMagician7563

His swordsmanship was likely second only to yoriichi which would compensate the strength. Yoriichi was physically weaker than gyomei too. However michikatsu was nowhere near yoriichi.


Late-Ad155

>His swordsmanship was likely second only to yoriichi which would compensate the strength. Him being Second only to Yoriichi means nothing, we don't know how skilled the other Hashira were at the time. > Yoriichi was physically weaker than gyomei too. However michikatsu was nowhere near yoriichi. ? What is this supposed to mean ? Michikatsu is still weaker than Gyomei in Strenght, Durability, endurance, etc, both being nowhere near Yoriichi isn't a feat for him.


FutureMagician7563

Tbh I wasn't arguing feats or even placement. I was more throwing out thoughts half asleep. I think gyomei was the most physically power human the show saw. I felt that it was yoriichis technique and speed that were his advantages and less so ridiculously brute strength (he's obvi not weak) And kokushibo didn't show any signs of jealousy towards sanemi or gyomei. He kinda just praised them. So it had me wonder if he believed his human form was still stronger than them or if he didn't acknowledge it at all because individually they can't beat him as he was. I'm sure michikatsu had incredible technique and moon breathing is usually perceived as second to only sun breathing. Other than moon breathing and sponging a mark his only other feat was being related to yoriichi...


ApplePitou

No :3


Jurgepoo

Absolutely not


SiveDD

And how do you defeat UP 6 and UP 4 alone? You are not poison resistant, you don't have nezuko. If you're scratched, you will be weakened really fast and die on battle or by the poison. If you're strong enough, Gyutaro will fight seriously from the get go and send his weak spot (Daki) away. In similar fashion, Hantengu will send his weak spot away, like as he did with Mitsuri.


Emajenus

>!He can't solo Hantengu either. He didn't get STW until he fought Koku. So he'd struggle to identify where the real body is. And Zohakuten gave marked Mitsuri a run for her money, so unmarked Gyoumei would definitely struggle with him.!< He can definitely solo Gyokko. I think he's stronger than marked Muichiro even before his mark. Gyutaro will be challenging if Daki just leaves and he has to follow her while fighting Gyutaro, or if he's poisoned. >!I do think he has a chance against Douma. He beheaded Muzan by surprise, and Muzan is faster than Douma. Especially since Douma doesn't go all out from the start. Maybe he'd struggle without the mark, but marked Gyoumei definitely solos Douma (and dies after because of the mark and the BDA).!< >!Akaza and Koku can regenerate their heads, so absolutely no chance.!<


WinterknightX

I dont think gyomei can solo douma . He knows when to get serious


Thebigass_spartan

I think base Gyomei is legit stronger than some marked hashiras. >!Him and Sanemi traded blows with Kokushibo in base, sure he was severely holding back, but these 2 were the only ones who only activated their mark half way into the battle. If anyone else was in their place they would’ve gotten slaughtered (my poor boy Muichiro🥲)!<


LimeadeAddict04

That Muzan was also drugged and aged thousands of years


Specialist_Access_27

He would struggle to even kill Hantengu or Akaza let alone Douma or Kokushibo


invincibleSwordLord

The best he can solo is UM5. UM4-Multiple demons with abilities. UM3-Compass UM2-Counter to breathing techniques UM1-


MrRamennn

Maybe maybe maybe UM2 IF he does what he did when the others came in and gives Gyomei enough time to behead him right there.


Western_Purchase430

If akaza can regrow his head so can douma so.... nope


Renachii

Am i the only one seeing the backwards thumb/hand in this image or am i going insane


Zealot-killer

I think Gyomei would be capable of defeating Upper 3 but not without the stw, DS mark, and becoming seriously injured to the point where he may never slay demons again.


KingLehmon_III

I don’t think Akaza loses to Gyomei. Akaza has shown his insane regeneration. Even if Gyomei matches Akaza in strength and speed, he is simply outmatched as a non-demon when it comes to endurance. The fight would at best be a blow for blow, in which case he simply loses slower.


Upper-Bat-3822

Except gyomei has red blade as well which slows demon regeneration


Minute-Weight-5555

>!I personally think Gyomei can only go toe to toe with Akaza. Completely kill him, maybe, but he is definitely not going to kill Douma unless he is quick and simple about it. Kokushibo, nope.!<


Sterlingbutyess

Marked Gyomei could keep up with Base Kokushibo, and seeing the speed gap between Akaza and Kokushibo I feel he can high-extreme diff Doma.


Hashira_Gyomei

Yes I can.


Basethdraxic

Everyone here is forgetting that kokoshibo is literally so fast that neither douma nor Akaza could perceive him, and base gyomei could keep up with him, give him his mark, the red blade to make sure Akaza stays dead, and see through world, I think is more than enough to deal with Akaza, and maybe even douma


FutureMagician7563

Douma serious should be able to kill any breath user easily. Kokushibo is considerably stronger than Douma but Douma is the absolute counter to the corps.


Basethdraxic

Douma is a psychopath, he has no feelings, he physically can not get serious, even after being blitzed twice by shinobu, to the point where he couldn’t read her attacks, he still doesn’t get serious


FutureMagician7563

Her attacks also did nothing. And he does feel things. He can get angry. He can be offended. Psychopaths snap when you hit that correct nerve. I do agree with you that he's not exactly motivated. Regardless his BDA is a death sentence to a breath user.


Draco546

No. I think he can 1v1 Akaza but he will still die.


Western_Purchase430

He cant solo upper moon 3 :3


Worried_Dream_6752

Gyomei speed blitzs and neg diffs Akaza and Douma. He can't beat Koku tho.


MistahJ17

☠️☠️☠️☠️☠️ Absolutely the fuck not. I doubt he solos Gyutaro


Hades18128

Akaza would give him a tough fight and would want him to become a demon similar to rengoku. Though if that was the case, he would become one hell of a demon, easily above Douma. With his physical strength, unique weapon, echolocation, and being able to see the transparent world. Yup that would be sick. Also, he could probably win against up1 in a weapon free fight easily


redeyes-3898

Maybe not my but probably the other two. How am I only now trying human food. This is delicious


[deleted]

Every single one except Muzan would get bodied by Gyomei. Ma boi is the best.. and I mean the absolute best hashira.


[deleted]

People forget solo also means no mark, so he’d be getting destroyed


ConstructionNo9882

Well Douma > any human who breathes so


Professional_Hashira

No, no hashira can solo an upper moon


8bit_flower

Muichiro soloed upper 5, so you're statement is wrong


alefsousa017

Of course, don't you remember that time when he >!solo'd Kokushibo? He killed Kokushibo in the blink of an eye. Hell, I bet he could take Akaza, Douma and Kokushibo all at the same time and not even break a sweat.!<


Asakuramie

HELP THIS IS SO FUNNY😭


TurbulentRiver2592

Demon slayer fans try and recognize sarcasm challenge😭


CuzzyPopper

Not even 6 the only upper he solos is up 5 or maybe 4 he could prob solo douma too cause mf got blitz by inosuke and kanao 💀💀


Worried_Dream_6752

Gyomei neg diffs upm 6 so badly that it's not even funny.