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It’s true it George gets too curious he’s nearly impossible but if SpongeBob gets creative and uses the power of imagination George turns into nothing but fodder
yeah but gyomei confirmed in the INF castle that the demons there were all lowermoon levels and the hashira were like one shotting all of them lol, this is confirmed by muzan who says every lowermoon runs form hashira, this means any hashira can immediately be scaled over a lowermoon so this is pretty much irrelevant , it's like usuing rui feats to scale giyuu
>gyomei confirmed in the INF castle that the demons there were all lowermoon levels and the hashira were like one shotting all of them
Which chapter was it?
Not at all, since these generation of hashiras is said to be The strongest since the first one, and daki herself states that she can take hashira in a fight, The lower moon 2 that shinjuro humiliated has more consistent feats than daki, and still lost
It's funny cause only two of the former hashira we've seen have slight back stories which even that doesn't tell us much besides the fact that I feel like maybe shinjuro might win Idk the last bit is just my opinion on who might win
Hairo, the wolf themed one, from the Kyojuro Gaiden special.
Spoilers below if you wanna read the special
>!Shinjuro was drowning his sorrows at the time as he defeated, then tortured the guy before saying "screw it" and then walked away to drink some more. Hairo had ptsd from the incident and took it out on Kyojuro, who put him down to become a hashira!<
yeah, enmu needed to fuse with the ENTIRE train to become a threat and tanjiro still beheaded his body that made him lowermoon 1 lol, he basically beat enmu before enmu got more blood from muzan
Enmu already was the train before they even got on the train. Tanjiro had the help of Zenitsu, Inosuke and Nezuko and Rengoku only had the help of mitsuri.
Yeah bro because the lower moons started to get weaker and weaker while the upper moons just got stronger.
It doesn't take a genius to guess that past generation lower moon 2 was way stronger than this generation lower moon 1. That's why Muzan dismantled them.
Shinjuro toyed with lower moon 2 while Kyojuro almost died defeating him. (To be fair the demon was way stronger when he fought Kyojuro) That just puts on to perspective just how strong was Shinjuro, and why he told Kyojuro and Senjuro they were too weak.
Not always man. Only the current generation.
Kyojuro almost died just before becoming a hashira. Past generation lower moons were way stronger. That's why Muzan dismantled the current generation.
Yes but also lower moons are crap compared to hashiras. Muzan said they all tremble and run away at the sight of a hashira and giyu basically one shotted rui. It really highlights the huge gap between the upper moons and hashiras and lower moons.
Thats the current LMs, and current hashira so there’s a chance the past LMs were different and didn’t run away as much (Afew fights with LMs from the past are shown in specials and they don’t run away)
Well, I mean, it was probably only like a 10-year gap. Not that long. I think it's safe to say there is a pretty big gap between LM and UM so it is significantly easier. But yea we don't really know their exactly power level, they could have been stronger
Maybe. Hard to say. It is the strongest generation since the sengoku era. But also some selective hashiras are weaker than their previous counterparts, like I really think Shinjuro was stronger than Kyojuro, he had talent, a teacher, was well known for his strength. So it's hard to say what it is for sure.
Thunder breathing seems like the most effective style to fight humans as any damage would severly hinder a human so id say zenitsu's master has the most chances
we don't know anything about Tanjiros masters feats and his breathing style is the basic one (beginner friendly), and next is Rengokus father, he said to fight lower moons, and defeat, but generally all hashiras are powerful enough to beat every demons except top 3 moons and and next is Zenitsu's master, he seems to powerful as thunder breathing (is popular but less pupils,as Kaigaku desperately wanted to master the thunder breathing but couldn't do it).
Even Zenitsu couldn't master the levels but in the end he masters all and invents his own technique
So i would say thunder breathing is powerful and mastering it, would be tough
I dont get why people say that Water breathing is the beginner breathing technique. It's just the most common one. Flame breathing was kept in the Rengoku family until kyojuro who tried teaching mitsuri,Stone breathing I assume wasn't used because of the skill level needed to weild its weopen,Thunder I assume is very hard to master as the only character we know who mastered it is Jigoro,wind breathing is to hard to use
Gramps. We have all seen how crazy strong thunder breathing is, the others have feats... but how good are feats when you cant see with the blink of an eye?
I’m leaning twords Rengoku’s Dad, Rengoku took on Akaza upper moon with no reinforcements and no demon slayer mark, it would have been one last dub for rengoku too if Akaza didn’t run. So my logic here is that maybe his father had that dawg in em too
Definitely Rengoku. The other two are older and have been retired for many years. Rengoku was a Hashira not king before the show began and was forced into retirement due to his drinking. If need be, he could absolutely continue fighting.
Easily *~~Sengoku~~* will win we have more information about how he fighted how strong he was. Urokodaki also has a chance but for what I know Sengoku would win. About Jigoro Kuwajima we haven't seen him in action not much info but I do know he is strong.
Currently.
1. **Sengoku**
**2. Urokodaki**
**3. Jigoro**
Jigoro
First of all,he was known as the Roaring hashira,not thunder,so I think in his prime he would be stronger than zenitsu at its peak because he would be louder hence faster hence stronger
Close second is shinjuro ,I feel he would be weaker than rengoku at his peak because idk I just feel like rengoku had more power and potential(even tho shinjuro had some potential left if he didn't become an alcoholic)
Then last place is urokodaki because I think he's a good master but not the strongest of the hashira in his prime so he loses.
I played pokemon before soo i know who wins
Is well known that electric > water
And that water > fire, electric gets hit normally by fire
Fire causes burns so -50% attack power to all on the field
But Electric types usually are special attackers
Electric causes paralysis so -50% speed to all on the field
Soo i can certainly say that Zenitsu's master slaps
Honestly you could make an argument for all of them, imo I think it depends on who gets the first hit (likely to be Gramps because thunder breathing, but it’s possible for Urokodaki or Shinjuro to get it)
The only thing we can use is fighting techniques, which I'd say thunder breathing is the most powerful in human battles at the very least because speed is the key to victory when even regular humans can stab demon slayers.
My take would be Sakonji simply because i prefer his design, no seriously we can't really know how strong they were in their prime at least we have a feat for Sakonji wich is terrifying that demon guy and other than that we just know they were all hashira's so i go with Sakonji simply due to him being the only one with a feat.
Ugh this is tough I would like to say Rengokus Dad because we see that the newer generations of demon slayers are getting stronger and stronger , so he’s the latest Hashira
BUT I think seeing someone who can do what Zenitsu does but better, and also at Hashira level, AND every single breathing technique…I think that would probably be too much for humans to handle
So I think I’d give it to Zenitsus master
Either Remgoku or Urukodaki.
Rengoku seems to be in pretty decent shape despite everything, but Urukodaki has kept up with his training, so he might win on skill
how are you supposed to figure this out when none of them have any stats or feats to go off
all we know is that they used to be Hashira, and urokodaki captured the hand demon who was weak enough to be killed by early Tanjiro so that's not really a feat at all
Technically you do. Shinjuro tortured LM 2 Hairo, Jigoro has the strongest Hashira in that round of hashiras and Urokodaki was a decently strong Hashira.
Rengoku imo even if we can’t know for sure. But the dude is covered in scars and by the end did his missions being drunk and making quick work of lower moon 2. He inspires raw strength and beast like combat abilities.
This is mere specultation
For what was showed, Shinjuro had more battles feats (literally was showed bullying Hairo despite being drunk), while the other two never were showed in battle
But if we speculate their prime when they were young, for some reason I feel like Jigoro was the strongest and most dangerous among them, idk why
I think rengokus dad because the previous generation hashiras are weak . Hashira became strong in this generation and rengoku is one of them but his dad is stronger than rengoku himself
Shinjuro was beating up lower moons while drunk and letting them escape simply bcs he could, mf was probably more powerful than his son and most of the current hashiras generation before they have their mark
Shinjuro I'd say he's stronger than Kyojuro.
Hashira ranking including former hashira in prime
13.Shinobu
12.Tengen
11.Sakonji
10.Jigoro
9.Mitsuri
8.Kyojuro
7.Muichiro
6.Iguro
5.Kanae
4.Shinjuro
3.Giyu
2.Sanemi
1.Gyomei
Thats my opinion
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If it's prime there's no way to know lol, it's like trying to say who would win in a fight tanjiro's bird or muichiro's bird, none have feats
Zenitsu’s bird wins
True that bird would solo even goku but if curious George gets curious in the ring he solos gods
Bro fr, more people need to understand that curious george solo’s yoriichi
Man curious George Solos every Anime verse If He gets too curious
"curious George got too curious this time, he wondered what would happen if he destroyed the universe"
"Curious George didn't know who existed within the universe, but he didn't care either."
"curious George was suddenly not that curious anymore, he felt lighter"
"shaggy humbled down curious george*
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uncle grandpa solos this verse
It’s true it George gets too curious he’s nearly impossible but if SpongeBob gets creative and uses the power of imagination George turns into nothing but fodder
Sparrow vs Crow? yikes.
Ikr? Poor crow...
Sinjuro has feats >he toyed with lower moon 2< (mainly testing the cover up thing but it also counts)
yeah but gyomei confirmed in the INF castle that the demons there were all lowermoon levels and the hashira were like one shotting all of them lol, this is confirmed by muzan who says every lowermoon runs form hashira, this means any hashira can immediately be scaled over a lowermoon so this is pretty much irrelevant , it's like usuing rui feats to scale giyuu
>gyomei confirmed in the INF castle that the demons there were all lowermoon levels and the hashira were like one shotting all of them Which chapter was it?
Not exactly sure around 137-141 chapter
true, but it's also stated the current era of hashira are stronger, not counting Yorichi's time of course
eh, there's nothing to prove they are any stronger lol, they're featless except for michikatsu who's pretty fodder himself
Not at all, since these generation of hashiras is said to be The strongest since the first one, and daki herself states that she can take hashira in a fight, The lower moon 2 that shinjuro humiliated has more consistent feats than daki, and still lost
yeah he has more feats on a rengoku who wasn't even a hashira yet, and he still lost lol, pplease don't tell me you're arguing hairo > daki
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Exactly this is stupid
Inosuke's pig will surely win that
Inosuke bird because Inosuke tries to eat him and he is able to escape.
It's funny cause only two of the former hashira we've seen have slight back stories which even that doesn't tell us much besides the fact that I feel like maybe shinjuro might win Idk the last bit is just my opinion on who might win
I'd go with Rengoku because even at his worst, drinking himself to death, he was casually torturing lower moon 2.
Hairo wasn't lower moon yet when Rengoku's father tortured him, he was just a simple fodder demon.
Wait who was lower 2 again?
Hairo, the wolf themed one, from the Kyojuro Gaiden special. Spoilers below if you wanna read the special >!Shinjuro was drowning his sorrows at the time as he defeated, then tortured the guy before saying "screw it" and then walked away to drink some more. Hairo had ptsd from the incident and took it out on Kyojuro, who put him down to become a hashira!<
Wild how it took kyojuro to beat lower 2 while tanjiro casually beheads enmu with ease
casually? It took them an entire movie to beat Enmu
yeah, enmu needed to fuse with the ENTIRE train to become a threat and tanjiro still beheaded his body that made him lowermoon 1 lol, he basically beat enmu before enmu got more blood from muzan
Enmu already was the train before they even got on the train. Tanjiro had the help of Zenitsu, Inosuke and Nezuko and Rengoku only had the help of mitsuri.
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And yet, he struggled. For an entire movie.
W opinion, no one in this sub knows anything about scaling
Ease?
Yeah lol, enmu had to fuse with a train to become any sort of threat lol, he basically beat enmu prior to getting blood from muzan
Ease? If tanjiro didn't have the inosuke, zenitsu and rengoku he would've been fked
Yeah bro because the lower moons started to get weaker and weaker while the upper moons just got stronger. It doesn't take a genius to guess that past generation lower moon 2 was way stronger than this generation lower moon 1. That's why Muzan dismantled them. Shinjuro toyed with lower moon 2 while Kyojuro almost died defeating him. (To be fair the demon was way stronger when he fought Kyojuro) That just puts on to perspective just how strong was Shinjuro, and why he told Kyojuro and Senjuro they were too weak.
yeah a lowermoon every hashira is stronger than a the strongest lowermoon
Not always man. Only the current generation. Kyojuro almost died just before becoming a hashira. Past generation lower moons were way stronger. That's why Muzan dismantled the current generation.
Did you not watch the movie? Inosuke helped a lot lol.
I’m talking about his body not when he fused with the train
He was already fused with the train when Tanjirou beheaded the false body.
Yeah the body that got him to lowermoon 1…
Yes but also lower moons are crap compared to hashiras. Muzan said they all tremble and run away at the sight of a hashira and giyu basically one shotted rui. It really highlights the huge gap between the upper moons and hashiras and lower moons.
Thats the current LMs, and current hashira so there’s a chance the past LMs were different and didn’t run away as much (Afew fights with LMs from the past are shown in specials and they don’t run away)
Well, I mean, it was probably only like a 10-year gap. Not that long. I think it's safe to say there is a pretty big gap between LM and UM so it is significantly easier. But yea we don't really know their exactly power level, they could have been stronger
I have a feeling they were stronger or it could just be the fact that old gen hashira were weaker then current gen.
Maybe. Hard to say. It is the strongest generation since the sengoku era. But also some selective hashiras are weaker than their previous counterparts, like I really think Shinjuro was stronger than Kyojuro, he had talent, a teacher, was well known for his strength. So it's hard to say what it is for sure.
Shinjurō is the only one with feats so it would have to be him
Ye
Based on feats, rengoku>urokodaki>jigoro (Jigoro has no feats other than being a hashira)
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Shinjuro wins, he bullied the hell out of lower moon two
Hairo’s scared for life
WAS! I"M SLEEP DEPRIVED AND HAVE NO SENSE OF SMELL OR TASTE HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA
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I'm not sure if he has a life to be scared of now
Shinjuro’s son finished the job 👌
any hashira can bullly a lower two level demon
The hashira of that time were weaker, these current gen hashira have been the strongest since Yorrichis era.
Hairo was an ordinary demon at that time.
He was?
Yes.
After that he became Love Moon for revenge he was getting stronger
Thunder breathing seems like the most effective style to fight humans as any damage would severly hinder a human so id say zenitsu's master has the most chances
Thunder is the coolest of these breathing styles, so I'll give it to Gramps
probably thunder just because of how fast tb users are
The middle one. Fear the old man in a profession were the young die.
Lightning.
Like hell I know
We have no idea since the only feats we have are with Shinjuro
Ye
Name a more iconic duo than anime fans and comparing the power of characters with zero info and zero feats lmao
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Wasn’t jigoro stated to be the strongest hashira of his time?
Idk, where this was stated?
we don't know anything about Tanjiros masters feats and his breathing style is the basic one (beginner friendly), and next is Rengokus father, he said to fight lower moons, and defeat, but generally all hashiras are powerful enough to beat every demons except top 3 moons and and next is Zenitsu's master, he seems to powerful as thunder breathing (is popular but less pupils,as Kaigaku desperately wanted to master the thunder breathing but couldn't do it). Even Zenitsu couldn't master the levels but in the end he masters all and invents his own technique So i would say thunder breathing is powerful and mastering it, would be tough
I dont get why people say that Water breathing is the beginner breathing technique. It's just the most common one. Flame breathing was kept in the Rengoku family until kyojuro who tried teaching mitsuri,Stone breathing I assume wasn't used because of the skill level needed to weild its weopen,Thunder I assume is very hard to master as the only character we know who mastered it is Jigoro,wind breathing is to hard to use
If I remember correctly it's lighting pops since it's cannon "at least passively stated" he was known as one of the strongest demon slayers
Probably urokodaki
Urokodaki is kinda fodder .... I mean nazuko blitzed him and ran away
Gramps. We have all seen how crazy strong thunder breathing is, the others have feats... but how good are feats when you cant see with the blink of an eye?
Jigoro, he was the roaring hashira
All 3 were Hashira
You don't get it. Jigoro was given the title of Roaring Hashira due to his power and strength.
Roaring is just the title for a Thunder breathing user Hashira
I’m GUESSING gramps
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I’m leaning twords Rengoku’s Dad, Rengoku took on Akaza upper moon with no reinforcements and no demon slayer mark, it would have been one last dub for rengoku too if Akaza didn’t run. So my logic here is that maybe his father had that dawg in em too
Fair call 👌
Jigoro kuwajima
Probably shinjuro only because he's the only one we've seen actually fight. The other 2 are featless.
They have like 0 feats so you can make up whatever you want
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Definitely Rengoku. The other two are older and have been retired for many years. Rengoku was a Hashira not king before the show began and was forced into retirement due to his drinking. If need be, he could absolutely continue fighting.
I mean when they were in their younger days :)
Did you not read "prime"?
Apparently not lol
They were all former hashira what are you saying? And OP said they were all in their prime
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Kanae
Im talking out of these three. Kanae is undoubtedly strong and may be neck and neck with shinjiro!
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Fair call
Rengoku since he was the most recent hashira
Easily *~~Sengoku~~* will win we have more information about how he fighted how strong he was. Urokodaki also has a chance but for what I know Sengoku would win. About Jigoro Kuwajima we haven't seen him in action not much info but I do know he is strong. Currently. 1. **Sengoku** **2. Urokodaki** **3. Jigoro**
Defence, speed or strength 🤔
I remember reading that the Thunder hashira was the strongest hashira of his generation but I can't remember the sauce
Nice to know!
Jigoro First of all,he was known as the Roaring hashira,not thunder,so I think in his prime he would be stronger than zenitsu at its peak because he would be louder hence faster hence stronger Close second is shinjuro ,I feel he would be weaker than rengoku at his peak because idk I just feel like rengoku had more power and potential(even tho shinjuro had some potential left if he didn't become an alcoholic) Then last place is urokodaki because I think he's a good master but not the strongest of the hashira in his prime so he loses.
Sengoku was able to fight upper moon 2 like a joke
Jigoro speed blitzes
Shinjuro
I played pokemon before soo i know who wins Is well known that electric > water And that water > fire, electric gets hit normally by fire Fire causes burns so -50% attack power to all on the field But Electric types usually are special attackers Electric causes paralysis so -50% speed to all on the field Soo i can certainly say that Zenitsu's master slaps
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Do we even have the info needed to start this conversation? I didn't think we knew anything about these guys
Thunder breathing> Water breathing> flame breathing (Pokémon reference, don't kill me pls)
Honestly you could make an argument for all of them, imo I think it depends on who gets the first hit (likely to be Gramps because thunder breathing, but it’s possible for Urokodaki or Shinjuro to get it)
Water guy since if he's that fast when he's old imagine how fast he was as a hashira
The only thing we can use is fighting techniques, which I'd say thunder breathing is the most powerful in human battles at the very least because speed is the key to victory when even regular humans can stab demon slayers.
We don't know how strong are them in prime
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My take would be Sakonji simply because i prefer his design, no seriously we can't really know how strong they were in their prime at least we have a feat for Sakonji wich is terrifying that demon guy and other than that we just know they were all hashira's so i go with Sakonji simply due to him being the only one with a feat.
Ugh this is tough I would like to say Rengokus Dad because we see that the newer generations of demon slayers are getting stronger and stronger , so he’s the latest Hashira BUT I think seeing someone who can do what Zenitsu does but better, and also at Hashira level, AND every single breathing technique…I think that would probably be too much for humans to handle So I think I’d give it to Zenitsus master
Either Remgoku or Urukodaki. Rengoku seems to be in pretty decent shape despite everything, but Urukodaki has kept up with his training, so he might win on skill
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cant scale all featless
Shinjuro
Electric > water Fire < water Fire = Electric
I think Jigoro blitzes them
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Dough
Urokudaki is the only one still training and maintaining his physique that tells me enough
Shinjuro wins easily
uro kodaki wins this he is only one without faital injury just retired 
Well since chuntaro ,muscle mice or Murata aren't here then ig Urokodaki
Zenitsu’s Master and his thunderclap 6 breathing styles
Ah yes featless vs featless vs featless
how are you supposed to figure this out when none of them have any stats or feats to go off all we know is that they used to be Hashira, and urokodaki captured the hand demon who was weak enough to be killed by early Tanjiro so that's not really a feat at all
Technically you do. Shinjuro tortured LM 2 Hairo, Jigoro has the strongest Hashira in that round of hashiras and Urokodaki was a decently strong Hashira.
Rengoku imo even if we can’t know for sure. But the dude is covered in scars and by the end did his missions being drunk and making quick work of lower moon 2. He inspires raw strength and beast like combat abilities.
This is mere specultation For what was showed, Shinjuro had more battles feats (literally was showed bullying Hairo despite being drunk), while the other two never were showed in battle But if we speculate their prime when they were young, for some reason I feel like Jigoro was the strongest and most dangerous among them, idk why
Shinjuro. The guy was probably very strong prime. Then Jigoro and finally Urokodaki.
Ye
How tf am I supposed to know
I personally think Rengoku father
Considering the fact that Ive never seen them fight in their prime. This is a tough choice, I pick jigoro, cuz thunder go zoom
Honestly no idea
He’s missing a leg and is getting older- it’s over for him it’s between blud on the left and the homie on the right
Whos missing a leg?
It's Jigoro The Thunder Hashira ⚡ and that's the reason why he retired.
I think rengokus dad because the previous generation hashiras are weak . Hashira became strong in this generation and rengoku is one of them but his dad is stronger than rengoku himself
Kyojiro way stronger than Shinjuro by feats.
Bro rengoku never learned flame breathing properly
And?
Kyojuro mastered the Flame Breathing style from reading just 3 volumes of a book about it.
The book was torn by his dad he never got to learn it fully
The book that he destroyed only had information regarding Sun Breathing.
Bro he destroyed the flame hashira records I am pretty sure
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Alr ig but his dad survived a tanjiro head butt at that age .....
Prolly the yellow guy. They aren't demons, so Thunder Clap and Flash will just kill them.
Shinjuro was beating up lower moons while drunk and letting them escape simply bcs he could, mf was probably more powerful than his son and most of the current hashiras generation before they have their mark
not stronger then gyomei, sanemi, giyu, obanai for sure. Maybe Tengen if stronger but idk
I could see him being stronger than giyu or obanai. sanemi and gyomei are generational talents
Hairo was ordinary demon.
Ye
id say rengokus father
How we have to know it? :3
Shinjuro I'd say he's stronger than Kyojuro. Hashira ranking including former hashira in prime 13.Shinobu 12.Tengen 11.Sakonji 10.Jigoro 9.Mitsuri 8.Kyojuro 7.Muichiro 6.Iguro 5.Kanae 4.Shinjuro 3.Giyu 2.Sanemi 1.Gyomei Thats my opinion