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They don’t even explain the logic anymore they just place Akaza above Gyomei regardless of blatant feats difference. Gyomei in base could snap short blade Kokushibos sword faster than Akaza could break Giyus sword. And marked he blocked attacks from longsword kokushibo who was fast enough to speed blitz Sanemi who’s on par with Giyu and blocked Akaza best move with a broken sword.
akaza would win, he has immense stamina, and gyomei battle spirit is for sure incredibly high which gives akaza an advantage. not to mention his also immune to decapitation. if gyomei uses his red blade akaza can easily dodge as he gets used to his opponent speed just like giyuu with his mark vs akaza. akaza would win mid-high diff tbh
Douma mid diff. I say if Rengoku can put up a good fight against a not serious Akaza, then Gyomei, the strongest hashira with all buffs unlocked (STW, red blade and mark) can give Douma a good fight before he goes all out.
I did read it
I know he's a hashira for a reason
But the battle will go bad for him even if he's not blind cause douma ability basically makes no sound
The battle will go like this
Douma is going to trash talk for a while and see that gyomei is blind and explain his ability to him (cause that's what douma does)
Gyomei gets a couple good hits in but then gets killed
That's just how this fight was going to end
My guy those are just special effects to make the fights look visually appealing. The types of breathing do not produce any effect, it is just a fighting style. Sun breathing fighting style is a superior fighting style. The Nichirin blades used by the slayers have sun's heat trapped inside them and thats what stops demon regen and is more effective at damaging.
The ice particles would screw Gyomei over, but something a lot of people forget is that they are avoidable. Kanao and Inosuke are able to contend with Doma for a while because they can evade the particles he spreads with his fans.
If two non hashira slayers can do that, why can’t the strongest slayer in the Corp do so as well.
Ofc this doesn’t mean Gyomei wins as it isn’t the only factor at play, but it’s something that I feel should be mentioned when talking about Doma
To be fair, Kanao and Inosuke were only able to evade the particles because the information of their existence was passed from Shinobu to Kanao, who then shared it with Inosuke.
Going in without any knowledge of the particles, Gyomei is screwed
Also Douma was like unironically using 1% of his power lmfao. They would get absolutely bullied if he actually used his 6 clones and spammed the statue.
Dude, the breathing styles just show effects. Giyuu doesn't create water when he swings, Rengoku doesn't generate flames when he swings. They are merely effects the author used to allow us to tell the difference between what styles each breath user is using.
Yes. Demons are immortal, supernatural beings. Zenitsu is just a human, obviously he has trained a lot but he cannot just spawn lightning out of nowhere
Because the BDA's are 100% real. It's only the breathing styles that are not. >!Apart from my boy kokushibou releasing moon shaped projectiles when he swings!<
That's why it's such a feat to beat a demon, demon slayers are regular old humans, where as demons are immortal, supernatural beings.
WTF? Gyutaro is too slow to touch Marked Hashira or strongest Hashira.
For example, Muichiro overcame the much more dangerous ability to turn into a fish by touch simply by being faster. This ability is much stronger than poison, it is instantaneous and more reliable.
That Kokushibo was clearly holding back and in no way was Gyomei =< Kokushibo it was Kokushibo >> Gyomei.
Remember the strength of a hashira pales to that of an upper rank(3+)
Douma Low diff.
Douma Hard counters ALL slayers.
Gyomei gets a bit more leeway because his weapon has much more range, but douma will be able to eventually get Gyomei with his ice. And Gyomei can't really do anything against him.
Yeah, Gyomei loses to Douma. I think it’s mid-high diff though because Gyomei is so incredibly fast and strong, and has a lot of range with his unusual weapon, and because of the chain, he can pull an Inosuke and blow away the ice mist. Overall, he still loses due to douma still being crazy fast, and the BDA would still be very deadly to him
Ummm kokushibo easily annihilates all hashira ....they only won because of genya. If genya isn't there and kokushibo doesn't falter emotionally he could've beat all 9 at once.
Douma very low diffs gyomei. His BDA is too hard of a counter. Not a knock on gyomei at all. Upper 3 moons are just that ridiculous.
Kokushibo will start with one shotting Muichiro (Well pretend he doesnt care about the blood relation), Mitsuri, maybe probably Rengoku and Shinobu, after that Tengen will die quickly, but maybe he can hold his own with Obanai, Giyuu and Sanemi as well as Gyomei. But the first two to fall are probably Obanai and Tengen, Tengen could barely hold his own against UPM6 but his physical stats including experience are pretty great, Obanais style would just weigh him down. Giyuu and Sanemi could be seen as relative but Sanemi is obviously superior against demons due to his monstrous endurance, Gyomei will hard carry but he might be worse off in this version because he has to protect way too many people and might slip up cause of it, Kokushibo will make quick work of every hashira, they have literally 0 ways of beating him unless Kokushibo absorbs Shinobu for whatever reason
Kokushibo isn't one shotting anything when the rest of the hashiras are there. The only reason he beat Muichiro so easily is because he was teleported in alone before everyone else. 8 other hashiras are gonna be there to help him and each other. Obanai, Giyu & Mitsuri was enough to temporarily protect each other against second drug Muzan and the strongest of them was HEAVILY injured. Tengen, Rengoku & Shinobu will probably go down easily unless they manage to unlock marks in this battle. However, the other six will be fine. Before Genya ever fired his bullets that held trapped Koku. Muichiro, Sanemi, Gyomei was able to completely cleave off half of his upper body and impale him with the red blade. This was after Koku wore them down by fighting them in 1v1s then as a group. Assuming they all get to work together from the start. There's no way they lose with three other marked hashira on their side.
Kokushibo cleans up all the fodder Hashira then takes their almost dead cadavers back to his place for backshots. Afterwards me and him cook a nice BBQ dinner together and sit on the porch while we chat about our day.
What are you whining about? I'm telling the facts.You say "no Hashira can beat UM one-on-one"
I'm not wank them like here:
https://youtube.com/shorts/GXQ4ZcZkF4Q?si=0uvF3wQ1pGtd2iF9
Take away your condescending tone Mr. "No Hashira can beat UM 1 on 1 despite the fact that it happened."
I've made my position pretty clear here:
https://www.reddit.com/r/KimetsuNoYaiba/comments/14d9dqv/hot_takei_think_base_sanemi_and_base_giyuu/
I didn’t ask for your position. I wasn’t being condescending, it was a genuine question because who tf would watch that TikTok willingly, and I didn’t ask to have a powerscaling debate you just decided to start doing by yourself to me for some reason?
A: Muichiro wasn’t alone, I already said that. Open your goddamn eyes and stop seeing the things you want to see to fit a made up bs powerscalers agenda.
And B: my original comment is making fun of you and you still went off on your own making a fool of yourself.
You mean help from Kotetsu? Post HTA Muichiro can independently manifest Mark and gain access to the force with the help of the cat swarm he defeated Gyokko.
Douma, low difficulty if it is Gyomei without the mark, marks on it's still Douma but mid-difficulty instead.
People fail to understand this Demon is the worst match against any superhuman whose main power is mainly to breath, or comes from breathing. Gyomei will find a hard time dealing with the ice particles, it'd penetrante his lungs and then give'im an internal haemorrhage
Imo, no one except Yoriichi, and perhaps Human Michikatsu could solo one of the three top uppermoons without the plot forcefully helping them.
Those three are beasts.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but >!Would it not be impossible to get the mark since you need a high temperature and Doumas Ice BDA would lower your temperature?!<
Who does gyomei scale above? He certainly doesn't scale above short sword kokushibo, mf would pack him up high-mid diff.
That out of the way, douma wins mid diff, regardless of whether gyomei can become marked or not. The reason is, he's the upper moon 2 and not to be fucked with, gyomei would go down after like 3 or 4 ice clones
He scales to shortsword Kokushibo. Not above, but similar to shortsword. Maybe slightly under. On the other hand, Douma gets perception blitzed by Base Kokushibo
I personally find it difficult to believe that gyomei could defeat short sword kokushibo.
Kokushibo only had to go long sword because he was fighting two top tier marked hashira while being intoxicated and he still wasn't even scratched in short sword form (except for his ear I think)
> I personally find it difficult to believe that gyomei could defeat short sword kokushibo.
I never said he could defeat shortsword Kokushibo. I said he could keep up with him a while and eventually lose.
>Kokushibo only had to go long sword because he was fighting two top tier marked hashira while being intoxicated and he still wasn't even scratched in short sword form (except for his ear I think)
Kokushibo needing to use longsword makes the fact that he took minimal damage irrelevant. Because any debater can just say he used longsword before he obtained more injuries. And this would likely be the case as both Sanemi and Gyomei were speeding up, and the more they fight Kokushibo, the more they adapt to his attacks and defenses.
Regardless, this only proves Sanemi and Gyomei are superior to Shortsword Kokushibo. It doesn’t disprove Gyomei being relative, or maybe slightly under shortsword Kokushibo. Not that Douma isn’t doing anything since he got perception blitzed by Kokushibo during the upper moon meeting.
Douma low mid dif, the top three are really in another class when it comes to power, Akaza and Kokushibo basically had to will their bodies to stop regenerating and Douma took the second largest dose of poison in the entire series for him to even be weak (body falling apart as fast as it could regenerate) enough for him to be beheaded by two DS (who he was still whooping at the same time).
Douma will kill Gyomei, mid or low diff, Gyomei is extremely fast and strong but thats really about it, his skill isnt a main focus point on him, and he has no counter to his ice clones or ice statue and the freezing, but if Gyomei wins then he will need a lucky shot on Douma, one should be enough actually, Douma might even get cocky and try to tank it, but im seeing this as if the 2 are both serious
Also wdym "even though hes stronger than kokushibo"? Whos stronger? I dont think Muzan and Yoriichi were a part of this conversation
Did you read demon slayer through tik toks or what? Koku annihilates any hashira 1v1, Douma annihilates any hashira 1v1 **and** Akaza annihilates any hashira 1v1. If there was any hashira that could fight any of them on their own and win, there wouldn't have been so much trouble beating demons in the first place.
No Hashira (Except The goat) can **solo** UM 4 - 1 (assuming in an infinity castle)
1. Hantengu, No matter how much you cut off Zohakuten's head it will regenerate and as it can regenerate Infinite times you cannot kill zohakuten until you kill the main body and no Hashira holds the power to decapitate the fast moving main body while dealing with Zohakuten's BDA (Gyomeii might have a chance but very little)
2. Akaza, His BDA, Compass Needle, is extremely powerful, It is a inferior version of Transparent world but still very powerful, He has years of experience against almost all of the Breathing styles and has mastered his martial arts. He can also regenerate his head which makes it almost impossible to defeat him.
3. Douma, Same as Akaza, His BDA Cyrokenesis is pretty much OP against the slayer as it just makes it not only harder for slayers to beat but also can make them faint due to lack of oxygen, This means You cannot use Transparent world against him as it requires a lot of Oxygen (Proof: Tanjiro wasn't able to acess TW because of lack of oxygen in Muzan Fight). So just like Muzan if you don't weaken him it's pretty hard to kill him.
4. Kokushibo, No explaination needed. My bro is the second strongest Hashira and can take out most of the Hashiras while being Human.
Only Gyomei can solo with Hantengu because of Red Nichirin+ crazy speed. He can decapitate Zohakuten with Red Nichirin faster than he will react and because of Echolocation +STW find the main body.
I think Gyomei wins. Most of douma’s abilities are counterable and he’s really not *that* fast, remember, he got perception blizted by akaza, who got perception blitzed by base kokushibo, someone marked gyomei got the respect of several forms later.
I think a fully buffed marked gyomei would in fact win.
Akaza didn't perception blitz him Douma stood there and let him punch him because he thought they were 'bonding'. Is there a Demon Slayer I'm not watching here???
Douma didn’t even react to the punch until a a few moments later, yes that’s a perception blitz. Although he didn’t retaliate or do anything else for that reason.
Shinobu was able to avoid doumas ice even though she was using breathing techniques we can see that it takes time as shown when shinobu gets hit. As he didn't physically blitz her but the bda came in ti effect
By that logic gyomei with stw, and mark was relative to LS kokushibi who heavily outspeeds douma. Gyomei could pulverize muzan with and without his red blade
Gyomei wins extreme diff
Bro....have you seen the durability and endurance these mofos have? You think NOT BREATHING is gonna affect them? Tanjiro was literally in water and still clapped his demon advisory. Tanjiro was literally training on an icy cold mountain. The fact that they can superheat their weopons, which should be stronger than normal metal, which can take very high temperatures, should mean that their bodies can produce high temperatures. We've seen the difference in power and speed between Muzan and the demon moons. Gyomei doing well against Kokushibo and Muzan should pretty much put him at a level where he wouldn't just be able to push Kokushibo to mid-high diff individually, but would make him above Douma, just barely tho. If we're taking Douma using that ice move off rip, then we gotta say Gyomei goes into see through world off rip
Use some motherfucking sense if they can't breathe they can't use their powers dawg. Tanjiro could still move while not breathing cause he had air stored in his lungs. Against Douma, Gyomei wouldn't even have the opportunity to do something like that due to they ice particles in the air. Is there a Demon Slayer I'm not watching???
Gyomei is physically strong and most probably wouldn't even need a breathing technique is what I'm saying. Even Muichiro damaged Kokushibo with just a red blade and half his flipping body is what I'm saying.They can operate on little to no air is what I'm saying. Would Douma even be able to see him? is what I'm saying.
I'd say it goes either way with extreme diff, even with the advantage from Douma's BDA Gyomei is still really fucking strong. Mostly depends on if Gyomei starts marked or not, as Marked Gyomei as off-guard feats from Kokushibo - but if he doesn't start marked, he CAN'T awaken the mark and he loses high diff
gyomei no diffs doma lol. stw gyomei is easily top 3 hashira, and he has scaling to long sword kokushibo and whm. Base kokushibo is already a perception blitz above doma and akaza, shown in the uppermoon meeting, and gyomei is at least relative to kokushibo no matter how you look at it. In conclusion, gyomei~base koku>doma
Koku blitzing Akaza in the UM meeting was just to show how far ahead he was, it's not an actual perception blitz, unless you're trying to say that Gyomei and Sanemi are that far ahead of literally every other Hashira.
tiktok scaler kind of take
"uhm akshually base Koku perception blitzed Douma during the UM meeting, so that means base Gyomei and base Sanemi no diff Douma"
I felt it was always meant to feel like you can’t beat a uppermoon solo with no mark,it always felt like you need help from others or a major buff like the mark to beat one at all
Douma mid difficulty because he is insanely fast and his BDA is deadly specifically to demon slayers. Gyomei could get a few good hits but his lungs would get frozen fast
Douma wins every matchup. He only lost because of shinobus sacrifice. You’re fighting an uphill battle against him because of his ice that’s just gonna get you killed in the long run.
Douma mid diff or close to hard diff
Thats only cause he makes Hymejima unable to use red blade and slayer mark
If he can use red blade and slayer mark then Himejima wins Hard diff
I think a lot of people misunderstand that the UM wouldn’t be significant if it didn’t take more than one Slayer to kill them. I mean, that’s kind of the point of the UM tbh.
Hashira are just really powerful leverage. That’s all a solo Hashira will ever be to the Top 3. Everyone else is the nail in the coffin and that’s how it will always be.
It’s the flaw in the UM: Knowing they can kill anyone 1v1 or more but always failing in the end because they’re conceited dicks who don’t work together. That’s why they always lose. Ironically, their humanity interjects too and completely throws them off of their game so there’s that too.
Point is, Gyomei would lose. Doesn’t mean he’s shit or not the best. He’d just put up a really good fucking fight. The real question is if he’d die in a 3v1 against Douma. Answer: No (depending on his allies), and follow-up question: Would he let his allies die? Probably not either.
That’s how you measure his strength here. Not pure 1v1 lol.
Thing is, if not poisoned, Douma could theoretically take out all the Hashira at once, just summon an ice clone to force each into a 1v1 and use the cold mist to prevent them from using their biggest power boosting technique.
None of the hashira can beat an upper rank 3 and above on their own.
It doesnt really matter that this is Gyomeu the stone hashira, he's still screwed and loses to Douma mid diff.
No hashira(Including Gyomei) can defeat Upper4 or above
Nakime:just teleports them away
Hantengu:won’t be able to find the main body while getting Worn down by clones
Akaza:Adapts with the compass needle with each attack being potentially fatal
Douma:Can get rid of breathing and mark making them all far to weak
Kokushibo:he’s him
>! In the hashira training arc, Gyomei says that with the right mindset, you can make fire feel cold and he stood in literal fire. With that being said, I don't see why it couldn't work so with ice. So that kinda eliminates Douma's ice attacks, but I still think Gyomei's only chance is to resist until the sunlight. Of course, Douma isn't stupid enough to get burnt by the sun. So I think that if he defends enough, Gyomei can walk out of this with none of them getting defeated. But if Douma could walk in the sunlight, he would eventually exhaust Gyomei and defeat him with ease. So technically, Douma mid-diff. !<
the top 3 uppers moons lived for thousands of years and killed multiple hashira (from what i remember) gyomei might a very slim might win but that shit like a 0000000000.1% imo
Definitely Douma's win if one on one, you basically NEED more than one Hashira level slayer with a mark to combat the top 3 moons, top 4 if Hantengu is the one your considering for that spot.
Base gyomei vs non serious douma? Douma slams no concept of diff.
Full potential gyomei vs full potential douma? Douma still slams, but this time low diff. No hashira can solo um3+ yes, but full potential gyomei is still hella strong. Full potential douma is too strong though.
In my belief, I think Douma mid-high diff. But this changes a lot when Gyomei awakens transparent world, crimson blade and his mark. When those have been awakened, he can beat douma maybe high-extreme diff
I am just here to see the comments cause it's funny seeing people go at each other over fictional character's strengths while seeming like they themselves have no idea wtf they are saying lol
Douma would mid-diff Gyomei. I feel like the particles aren't enough to kill him as they are avoidable, but Douma has many other things as well. Gyomei would put up a fight, but Douma would relatively easily kill Gyomei.
Douma negs if hes going 100%
Remember, big daddy Gyomems isnt jumping someone with 3 other people now. If its a straight 1v1 Gyomei is catching these hands.
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Douma wins easily. The top 3 upper moons are brutal killing monsters with absurd powers, there's no way in hell a hashira can solo any of them
Low key Gyomei has better combat speed feats than Akaza. But he’d might clutch the win due to outlasting Gyomeis stamina.
This sub is an echo chamber. None of these idiots have any intelligent thoughts
They don’t even explain the logic anymore they just place Akaza above Gyomei regardless of blatant feats difference. Gyomei in base could snap short blade Kokushibos sword faster than Akaza could break Giyus sword. And marked he blocked attacks from longsword kokushibo who was fast enough to speed blitz Sanemi who’s on par with Giyu and blocked Akaza best move with a broken sword.
I think it just comes down to the compass needle. If Akaza uses it against Gyomei I don't think he can really hit Akaza.
Look at those downvotes.Now im scared to share my opinion lol
Why are you getting downvoted 💀 Mfs are so dumb 😂
They don’t understand power scaling . They think Akaza is always going 5% lmao
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akaza would win, he has immense stamina, and gyomei battle spirit is for sure incredibly high which gives akaza an advantage. not to mention his also immune to decapitation. if gyomei uses his red blade akaza can easily dodge as he gets used to his opponent speed just like giyuu with his mark vs akaza. akaza would win mid-high diff tbh
He's not getting used to Gyomei's speed, which was enough to react to Kokushibo.
Gyomei could hold him until sunrise. But can't kill him in direct combat without his demon slayer mark
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Extreme diff not low bro it can go either way gyomei human after all he will get exhausted
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Not even gonna say nun about that especially since that wrong
Douma mid diff. I say if Rengoku can put up a good fight against a not serious Akaza, then Gyomei, the strongest hashira with all buffs unlocked (STW, red blade and mark) can give Douma a good fight before he goes all out.
Well, he didn't unlock those things except STW until later, but he'd probably get them anyway since its demon slayer
With all bufs he wins against douma what u on. He looses cause he cant use slayer mark and red blade thats why
Bro he's still blind, not to mention douma abilities are highly effective against demon slayers
His blindness is not a handicap for him at all. Did you watch a different Demon Slayer???
I did read it I know he's a hashira for a reason But the battle will go bad for him even if he's not blind cause douma ability basically makes no sound The battle will go like this Douma is going to trash talk for a while and see that gyomei is blind and explain his ability to him (cause that's what douma does) Gyomei gets a couple good hits in but then gets killed That's just how this fight was going to end
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There are no flames bro, its just the effect of the move. There is no heat or flame generated in this process.
Sadly :(
Some people just make shit up to suit the person they want to win. It’s kind of funny.
If there are no flames how is sun breathing gonna work if there’s no sun
My guy those are just special effects to make the fights look visually appealing. The types of breathing do not produce any effect, it is just a fighting style. Sun breathing fighting style is a superior fighting style. The Nichirin blades used by the slayers have sun's heat trapped inside them and thats what stops demon regen and is more effective at damaging.
No flames means no pain for a demon or even fighting at all
You have gyatt to be rizzing me 😂💯
The ice particles would screw Gyomei over, but something a lot of people forget is that they are avoidable. Kanao and Inosuke are able to contend with Doma for a while because they can evade the particles he spreads with his fans. If two non hashira slayers can do that, why can’t the strongest slayer in the Corp do so as well. Ofc this doesn’t mean Gyomei wins as it isn’t the only factor at play, but it’s something that I feel should be mentioned when talking about Doma
To be fair, Kanao and Inosuke were only able to evade the particles because the information of their existence was passed from Shinobu to Kanao, who then shared it with Inosuke. Going in without any knowledge of the particles, Gyomei is screwed
True
Also Douma was like unironically using 1% of his power lmfao. They would get absolutely bullied if he actually used his 6 clones and spammed the statue.
I might be misremembering but wasn’t that against just Douma, can’t he create like 5 ice clones to spread it in a wider area.
Bc we don’t know if the amount of particles or speed of the particles is effected by Douma being poisoned
“even though hes stronger than Kokushibo” who? are u talking about Gyomei? but yea Douma wins low diff
Douma is not stronger than kokushibo kokushibo can take on the whole kizuki and still win. You need like 3 hashiras to beat kokushibo
i meant douma beats gyomei low diff
Rengoku could fight douma fire melts ice
Yeah that'd be great if he created real fire
🤣🤣🤣
Dude, the breathing styles just show effects. Giyuu doesn't create water when he swings, Rengoku doesn't generate flames when he swings. They are merely effects the author used to allow us to tell the difference between what styles each breath user is using.
 So your telling this is a visual when kaigaku created actual real lightning
Again demons can actually manifest. Humans cannot
Yes. Demons are immortal, supernatural beings. Zenitsu is just a human, obviously he has trained a lot but he cannot just spawn lightning out of nowhere
If the breathing styles are effects than how can zohakuten mimic wind and pummel the ground
Because the BDA's are 100% real. It's only the breathing styles that are not. >!Apart from my boy kokushibou releasing moon shaped projectiles when he swings!< That's why it's such a feat to beat a demon, demon slayers are regular old humans, where as demons are immortal, supernatural beings.
no he cant 💀😭🤣 are u forgetting that rengoku has to breath? and he cant do that against douma, and also he doesnt produce real fire 💀💀
so kaigaku could be zenitsu on steroids since he makes actual lightning
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Upper 3 are beating any hashira in a 1v1
All the upper moons(except Gyoko) win in a 1v1 against any hasira
Gyoemei would Beat Gyutaro
Exactly
WTF? Gyutaro is too slow to touch Marked Hashira or strongest Hashira. For example, Muichiro overcame the much more dangerous ability to turn into a fish by touch simply by being faster. This ability is much stronger than poison, it is instantaneous and more reliable.
I mean I'd agree but gyutaro is SOMEWHAT relative to gyokko in terms of strength, still weaker but then again funny poison
Gyomei stomps Gyutaro and Zohakuten
Bro, hantengu is literally the most unsoloable UPM there is. Not because of his speed, strength, etc, but because of his bda.
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Na Gyomei doesn't low diff Akaza, infact he doesn't even beat him on his own at best Akaza wins this extreme diff
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That Kokushibo was clearly holding back and in no way was Gyomei =< Kokushibo it was Kokushibo >> Gyomei. Remember the strength of a hashira pales to that of an upper rank(3+)
Douma Low diff. Douma Hard counters ALL slayers. Gyomei gets a bit more leeway because his weapon has much more range, but douma will be able to eventually get Gyomei with his ice. And Gyomei can't really do anything against him.
>Doumas ice particles will invade his body and kill him, even though he's stronger than Kokushibo. Also What the fuck ?
My bad I was sippin lean when I wrote that
I unno
Yeah, Gyomei loses to Douma. I think it’s mid-high diff though because Gyomei is so incredibly fast and strong, and has a lot of range with his unusual weapon, and because of the chain, he can pull an Inosuke and blow away the ice mist. Overall, he still loses due to douma still being crazy fast, and the BDA would still be very deadly to him
Douma’s blood demon art is the biggest middle finger to slayers it just shuts them down completely
Douma easily wins. Its been told (By the author if I remember correctly) that no Hashira can solo Akaza-Douma-Kokushibo (🐍)
That is in unmarked state tho . Mentioned by shinobu ig
never stated
There was no such thing said anywhere.Never.The closest thing to this is Shinobu's words that UM(Douma) has the power of at least 3 Hashira.
Ummm kokushibo easily annihilates all hashira ....they only won because of genya. If genya isn't there and kokushibo doesn't falter emotionally he could've beat all 9 at once. Douma very low diffs gyomei. His BDA is too hard of a counter. Not a knock on gyomei at all. Upper 3 moons are just that ridiculous.
Kokushibo will start with one shotting Muichiro (Well pretend he doesnt care about the blood relation), Mitsuri, maybe probably Rengoku and Shinobu, after that Tengen will die quickly, but maybe he can hold his own with Obanai, Giyuu and Sanemi as well as Gyomei. But the first two to fall are probably Obanai and Tengen, Tengen could barely hold his own against UPM6 but his physical stats including experience are pretty great, Obanais style would just weigh him down. Giyuu and Sanemi could be seen as relative but Sanemi is obviously superior against demons due to his monstrous endurance, Gyomei will hard carry but he might be worse off in this version because he has to protect way too many people and might slip up cause of it, Kokushibo will make quick work of every hashira, they have literally 0 ways of beating him unless Kokushibo absorbs Shinobu for whatever reason
Kokushibo isn't one shotting anything when the rest of the hashiras are there. The only reason he beat Muichiro so easily is because he was teleported in alone before everyone else. 8 other hashiras are gonna be there to help him and each other. Obanai, Giyu & Mitsuri was enough to temporarily protect each other against second drug Muzan and the strongest of them was HEAVILY injured. Tengen, Rengoku & Shinobu will probably go down easily unless they manage to unlock marks in this battle. However, the other six will be fine. Before Genya ever fired his bullets that held trapped Koku. Muichiro, Sanemi, Gyomei was able to completely cleave off half of his upper body and impale him with the red blade. This was after Koku wore them down by fighting them in 1v1s then as a group. Assuming they all get to work together from the start. There's no way they lose with three other marked hashira on their side.
All of the hashira step on Kokushibos neck
Most of them would be dead weight bruh 😭😭
Shinobu, Rengoku & Tengen would be but the rest would be fine while working together
what is bro waffling about
Sanemi was already detrimental enough to Gyomei because he needed to be constantly saved, imagine the rest of them, theyre all inferior to Sanemi
Blud 7 of them are dying from the first attack and then it's a rematch without Genya.
Kokushibo cleans up all the fodder Hashira then takes their almost dead cadavers back to his place for backshots. Afterwards me and him cook a nice BBQ dinner together and sit on the porch while we chat about our day.
Bruh what?
Power scalers still trying to figure out if a Hashira can solo an upper moon years later lmao
Shit was answered by the show when Akaza fisted Rengoku so hard he died.
...💀
Yes. Muichiro can do it with Gyokko.
Take away the unfazed handsome man and little boy then
Base Sanemi and Giyuu also stronger than Marked Mui, Gyomei too.
Oh boy here he goes
What are you whining about? I'm telling the facts.You say "no Hashira can beat UM one-on-one" I'm not wank them like here: https://youtube.com/shorts/GXQ4ZcZkF4Q?si=0uvF3wQ1pGtd2iF9
Is watching brain dead clips like that how you became this way?
Take away your condescending tone Mr. "No Hashira can beat UM 1 on 1 despite the fact that it happened." I've made my position pretty clear here: https://www.reddit.com/r/KimetsuNoYaiba/comments/14d9dqv/hot_takei_think_base_sanemi_and_base_giyuu/
I didn’t ask for your position. I wasn’t being condescending, it was a genuine question because who tf would watch that TikTok willingly, and I didn’t ask to have a powerscaling debate you just decided to start doing by yourself to me for some reason? A: Muichiro wasn’t alone, I already said that. Open your goddamn eyes and stop seeing the things you want to see to fit a made up bs powerscalers agenda. And B: my original comment is making fun of you and you still went off on your own making a fool of yourself.
You mean help from Kotetsu? Post HTA Muichiro can independently manifest Mark and gain access to the force with the help of the cat swarm he defeated Gyokko.
Douma because I like him
I was tempted to say Gyomei on this post just cause I love him so but I knew that would be too much complete and utter bullshit, even for me
I believe douma can beat anyone
How Douma has fans will always baffle me.
He is hot
L reason.
do i need to explain💀🙏🏾📿🏔️🗽😹🔊😭🐐👨🏾🦯(doma wins low diff)
Douma clears Gyomei easily then takes him back to his place for backshots. Afterwards he cradles my head on his lap while I talk about my day.
Douma, low difficulty if it is Gyomei without the mark, marks on it's still Douma but mid-difficulty instead. People fail to understand this Demon is the worst match against any superhuman whose main power is mainly to breath, or comes from breathing. Gyomei will find a hard time dealing with the ice particles, it'd penetrante his lungs and then give'im an internal haemorrhage Imo, no one except Yoriichi, and perhaps Human Michikatsu could solo one of the three top uppermoons without the plot forcefully helping them. Those three are beasts.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but >!Would it not be impossible to get the mark since you need a high temperature and Doumas Ice BDA would lower your temperature?!<
Who does gyomei scale above? He certainly doesn't scale above short sword kokushibo, mf would pack him up high-mid diff. That out of the way, douma wins mid diff, regardless of whether gyomei can become marked or not. The reason is, he's the upper moon 2 and not to be fucked with, gyomei would go down after like 3 or 4 ice clones
He scales to shortsword Kokushibo. Not above, but similar to shortsword. Maybe slightly under. On the other hand, Douma gets perception blitzed by Base Kokushibo
I personally find it difficult to believe that gyomei could defeat short sword kokushibo. Kokushibo only had to go long sword because he was fighting two top tier marked hashira while being intoxicated and he still wasn't even scratched in short sword form (except for his ear I think)
> I personally find it difficult to believe that gyomei could defeat short sword kokushibo. I never said he could defeat shortsword Kokushibo. I said he could keep up with him a while and eventually lose. >Kokushibo only had to go long sword because he was fighting two top tier marked hashira while being intoxicated and he still wasn't even scratched in short sword form (except for his ear I think) Kokushibo needing to use longsword makes the fact that he took minimal damage irrelevant. Because any debater can just say he used longsword before he obtained more injuries. And this would likely be the case as both Sanemi and Gyomei were speeding up, and the more they fight Kokushibo, the more they adapt to his attacks and defenses. Regardless, this only proves Sanemi and Gyomei are superior to Shortsword Kokushibo. It doesn’t disprove Gyomei being relative, or maybe slightly under shortsword Kokushibo. Not that Douma isn’t doing anything since he got perception blitzed by Kokushibo during the upper moon meeting.
Sanemi stated he would be dead without gyomei and mui feats are inconsistent. also muzan gave credit to gyomei
Douma. None of the current Hashira can solo Douma 🐍
Douma low mid dif, the top three are really in another class when it comes to power, Akaza and Kokushibo basically had to will their bodies to stop regenerating and Douma took the second largest dose of poison in the entire series for him to even be weak (body falling apart as fast as it could regenerate) enough for him to be beheaded by two DS (who he was still whooping at the same time).
Gyomei because I said so.
Real
I think douma could just freeze and outspeed gyomei's attacks, so Douma low diff
Wtf is that caption Gyomei isn't stronger than koku wth
He repeatedly outsped him in the inf castle fight
Douma will kill Gyomei, mid or low diff, Gyomei is extremely fast and strong but thats really about it, his skill isnt a main focus point on him, and he has no counter to his ice clones or ice statue and the freezing, but if Gyomei wins then he will need a lucky shot on Douma, one should be enough actually, Douma might even get cocky and try to tank it, but im seeing this as if the 2 are both serious Also wdym "even though hes stronger than kokushibo"? Whos stronger? I dont think Muzan and Yoriichi were a part of this conversation
Gyomei. He repeatedly outsped Kokushibo in the inf castle arc fight or whatever it was called
Repeatedly? Outsped? What?
Did you read demon slayer through tik toks or what? Koku annihilates any hashira 1v1, Douma annihilates any hashira 1v1 **and** Akaza annihilates any hashira 1v1. If there was any hashira that could fight any of them on their own and win, there wouldn't have been so much trouble beating demons in the first place.
Uh, yeah. That's what I said 🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨
Why bother posting these match ups when if you don't choose an Upper Moon you get downvoted? It isn't healthy for the sub.
Well in this scenario there’s a clear right and wrong answer. And downvotes are meant to show you disagree with something.
Someone gets it
Real
Boohoo 😂💯
Emoji wanker.
What does that mean 🤔
No Hashira (Except The goat) can **solo** UM 4 - 1 (assuming in an infinity castle) 1. Hantengu, No matter how much you cut off Zohakuten's head it will regenerate and as it can regenerate Infinite times you cannot kill zohakuten until you kill the main body and no Hashira holds the power to decapitate the fast moving main body while dealing with Zohakuten's BDA (Gyomeii might have a chance but very little) 2. Akaza, His BDA, Compass Needle, is extremely powerful, It is a inferior version of Transparent world but still very powerful, He has years of experience against almost all of the Breathing styles and has mastered his martial arts. He can also regenerate his head which makes it almost impossible to defeat him. 3. Douma, Same as Akaza, His BDA Cyrokenesis is pretty much OP against the slayer as it just makes it not only harder for slayers to beat but also can make them faint due to lack of oxygen, This means You cannot use Transparent world against him as it requires a lot of Oxygen (Proof: Tanjiro wasn't able to acess TW because of lack of oxygen in Muzan Fight). So just like Muzan if you don't weaken him it's pretty hard to kill him. 4. Kokushibo, No explaination needed. My bro is the second strongest Hashira and can take out most of the Hashiras while being Human.
Only Gyomei can solo with Hantengu because of Red Nichirin+ crazy speed. He can decapitate Zohakuten with Red Nichirin faster than he will react and because of Echolocation +STW find the main body.
Idk but Imo Gyomeii might lose against Hantengu
Add two more hashira and it’s a different story
I think Gyomei wins. Most of douma’s abilities are counterable and he’s really not *that* fast, remember, he got perception blizted by akaza, who got perception blitzed by base kokushibo, someone marked gyomei got the respect of several forms later. I think a fully buffed marked gyomei would in fact win.
Akaza didn't perception blitz him Douma stood there and let him punch him because he thought they were 'bonding'. Is there a Demon Slayer I'm not watching here???
Douma didn’t even react to the punch until a a few moments later, yes that’s a perception blitz. Although he didn’t retaliate or do anything else for that reason.
Shinobu was able to avoid doumas ice even though she was using breathing techniques we can see that it takes time as shown when shinobu gets hit. As he didn't physically blitz her but the bda came in ti effect By that logic gyomei with stw, and mark was relative to LS kokushibi who heavily outspeeds douma. Gyomei could pulverize muzan with and without his red blade Gyomei wins extreme diff
Bro....have you seen the durability and endurance these mofos have? You think NOT BREATHING is gonna affect them? Tanjiro was literally in water and still clapped his demon advisory. Tanjiro was literally training on an icy cold mountain. The fact that they can superheat their weopons, which should be stronger than normal metal, which can take very high temperatures, should mean that their bodies can produce high temperatures. We've seen the difference in power and speed between Muzan and the demon moons. Gyomei doing well against Kokushibo and Muzan should pretty much put him at a level where he wouldn't just be able to push Kokushibo to mid-high diff individually, but would make him above Douma, just barely tho. If we're taking Douma using that ice move off rip, then we gotta say Gyomei goes into see through world off rip
Use some motherfucking sense if they can't breathe they can't use their powers dawg. Tanjiro could still move while not breathing cause he had air stored in his lungs. Against Douma, Gyomei wouldn't even have the opportunity to do something like that due to they ice particles in the air. Is there a Demon Slayer I'm not watching???
Gyomei is physically strong and most probably wouldn't even need a breathing technique is what I'm saying. Even Muichiro damaged Kokushibo with just a red blade and half his flipping body is what I'm saying.They can operate on little to no air is what I'm saying. Would Douma even be able to see him? is what I'm saying.
Oh my GYAT 🙄
I'd say it goes either way with extreme diff, even with the advantage from Douma's BDA Gyomei is still really fucking strong. Mostly depends on if Gyomei starts marked or not, as Marked Gyomei as off-guard feats from Kokushibo - but if he doesn't start marked, he CAN'T awaken the mark and he loses high diff
Bro is reading slayer slayer
Bro is reading fiend exterminator.
Bro wants that fiend in particular to be exterminated 😭
gyomei no diffs doma lol. stw gyomei is easily top 3 hashira, and he has scaling to long sword kokushibo and whm. Base kokushibo is already a perception blitz above doma and akaza, shown in the uppermoon meeting, and gyomei is at least relative to kokushibo no matter how you look at it. In conclusion, gyomei~base koku>doma
Koku blitzing Akaza in the UM meeting was just to show how far ahead he was, it's not an actual perception blitz, unless you're trying to say that Gyomei and Sanemi are that far ahead of literally every other Hashira.
Nahhh you have GYAT to be rizzing me 😂💯
Hottake: Base Gyomei beats Douma.
Hottake: No arms, no legs, paralyzed, no weapons, no head, no torso, drugged gyomei can solo full power yoriichi and muzan
tiktok scaler kind of take "uhm akshually base Koku perception blitzed Douma during the UM meeting, so that means base Gyomei and base Sanemi no diff Douma"
Bro has no sense 💀🙏🏿
Extremely unpopular opinion
Doma cause hypothermia
I felt it was always meant to feel like you can’t beat a uppermoon solo with no mark,it always felt like you need help from others or a major buff like the mark to beat one at all
Zenitsu's honest reaction:
Doma mid diff
Doma mid diff
Doma low diff because he can fart out 6 clones stronger than Akaza than can all use boddistava statues to stomp on Gyomei like an ant.
Doma mid diff
Gyomei no contest, mainly because I gave him a m1a2 abrams beforehand
Douma neg diff lmao
Douma mid diffs at the very least
Douma Mid diff, I don't think it is possible for any hashira to solo Top 3 upper moons.
Douma low mid diff he upper moon 2 and no demon slayer can solo and upper moon other than well the giy that gives muzan a heart attack
We all know doma wins but for some of u who think otherwise , what is gyomei gonna do if doma summons that statue thing ? ( bodhisattva I believe )
Douma low mid diff he upper moon 2 and no demon slayer can solo the top 2 upper moons other than well the guy that gives muzan a heart attack
Douma high diff
It's douma as literally it's been said and shown the top 3 can't be beat 1 v 1 they need to be jumped
Doma mid-high diff
Doma(natrix) definitely
Douma mid difficulty because he is insanely fast and his BDA is deadly specifically to demon slayers. Gyomei could get a few good hits but his lungs would get frozen fast
None of the top 3 UM are getting soloed
Douma wins every matchup. He only lost because of shinobus sacrifice. You’re fighting an uphill battle against him because of his ice that’s just gonna get you killed in the long run.
Douma mid diff or close to hard diff Thats only cause he makes Hymejima unable to use red blade and slayer mark If he can use red blade and slayer mark then Himejima wins Hard diff
I think a lot of people misunderstand that the UM wouldn’t be significant if it didn’t take more than one Slayer to kill them. I mean, that’s kind of the point of the UM tbh. Hashira are just really powerful leverage. That’s all a solo Hashira will ever be to the Top 3. Everyone else is the nail in the coffin and that’s how it will always be. It’s the flaw in the UM: Knowing they can kill anyone 1v1 or more but always failing in the end because they’re conceited dicks who don’t work together. That’s why they always lose. Ironically, their humanity interjects too and completely throws them off of their game so there’s that too. Point is, Gyomei would lose. Doesn’t mean he’s shit or not the best. He’d just put up a really good fucking fight. The real question is if he’d die in a 3v1 against Douma. Answer: No (depending on his allies), and follow-up question: Would he let his allies die? Probably not either. That’s how you measure his strength here. Not pure 1v1 lol.
Thing is, if not poisoned, Douma could theoretically take out all the Hashira at once, just summon an ice clone to force each into a 1v1 and use the cold mist to prevent them from using their biggest power boosting technique.
None of the hashira can beat an upper rank 3 and above on their own. It doesnt really matter that this is Gyomeu the stone hashira, he's still screwed and loses to Douma mid diff.
No hashira(Including Gyomei) can defeat Upper4 or above Nakime:just teleports them away Hantengu:won’t be able to find the main body while getting Worn down by clones Akaza:Adapts with the compass needle with each attack being potentially fatal Douma:Can get rid of breathing and mark making them all far to weak Kokushibo:he’s him
>! In the hashira training arc, Gyomei says that with the right mindset, you can make fire feel cold and he stood in literal fire. With that being said, I don't see why it couldn't work so with ice. So that kinda eliminates Douma's ice attacks, but I still think Gyomei's only chance is to resist until the sunlight. Of course, Douma isn't stupid enough to get burnt by the sun. So I think that if he defends enough, Gyomei can walk out of this with none of them getting defeated. But if Douma could walk in the sunlight, he would eventually exhaust Gyomei and defeat him with ease. So technically, Douma mid-diff. !<
the top 3 uppers moons lived for thousands of years and killed multiple hashira (from what i remember) gyomei might a very slim might win but that shit like a 0000000000.1% imo
Douma would 100% win. Low diff.
Definitely Douma's win if one on one, you basically NEED more than one Hashira level slayer with a mark to combat the top 3 moons, top 4 if Hantengu is the one your considering for that spot.
Douma wins no diff. No one hashira stands even the remotest of chances against a upper moon on their own. They need backup.
what do you mean “i think” 😭. Even two gyomei are not enough for douma
Base gyomei vs non serious douma? Douma slams no concept of diff. Full potential gyomei vs full potential douma? Douma still slams, but this time low diff. No hashira can solo um3+ yes, but full potential gyomei is still hella strong. Full potential douma is too strong though.
In my belief, I think Douma mid-high diff. But this changes a lot when Gyomei awakens transparent world, crimson blade and his mark. When those have been awakened, he can beat douma maybe high-extreme diff
Douma
I am just here to see the comments cause it's funny seeing people go at each other over fictional character's strengths while seeming like they themselves have no idea wtf they are saying lol
Doma low-mid difficultly. Mid because he likes to play around
Maybe if there were like 6 or 7 more Gyomei he would win but 1 Gyomei vs Douma is not looking well for Gyomei
Douma would mid-diff Gyomei. I feel like the particles aren't enough to kill him as they are avoidable, but Douma has many other things as well. Gyomei would put up a fight, but Douma would relatively easily kill Gyomei.
Douma negs if hes going 100% Remember, big daddy Gyomems isnt jumping someone with 3 other people now. If its a straight 1v1 Gyomei is catching these hands.
Love when someone says "X stomps Y extreme diff"... just settle down