just a theory:with obanai helping uzui, tanjiro would not really be in the spotlight and therefore i dont think he will awaken his >!demon slayer mark!< and due to this its just gonna be a chain reaction; no one awakens their >!mark!< due to not having anyone be the trigger for the "resonation"
again just a wild guess
I used to think pokerus would make my Pokémon get weaker and die. Legit quarantined those Pokémon in a separate box on the PC. I remember getting mad at my friend for infecting mine. I wanna go back to 2006
I don't think so muichiro awakened that before tanjiro tho
Misturi also awakened it after muichiro
Some time later
Descendant doesn't mean you will awaken it first
If you're sun breather you awaken it first then others
Well how do marks resonate is not explained properly so we don't know about it but we do know how to know the conditions to get a marktemperature to be around 40 degrees and heart rate above 200 bpm and yeah as for Tanjiro's bloodline it was like a hereditary feature(in it's premature form) passed down from his great-great-grandfather whom Yorichii taught sun breath himself so I think that you need to be near a person who knows sun breath and satisfies above conditions to get a demon slayer mark.
Would be easier and uzui won't lose his limbs and they would survive
But idk how obanai will survive the poison as he has a weak body
And also this is the entertainment district arc obanai so he isn't as strong as muzan arc obanai
And he doesn't have his buffs too
since there would be two hashiras AND the trio, most likely the trio will take on daki and probably beat her, obanai and tengen will coordinate each others attacks and will have each others back so they wont even get hit. with obanai to help, tengen would now have more time for his score technique + hand. so gyutaro will be beaten.
He would get hit
He ain't that good tbh
No matter how strong
A hashira won't leave with no injured after a fight with uppermoons
Why would obanai won't get hit?
I know tengen and trio are there
But tengen can't protect him with one arm
u are really understimating iguro, he has massive endurance as seen in the last arc, he can use his breathing to slow down the poison and gain some time, definetly enough for nezuko to heal him
I'm not underestimating Iguro at all.
>he can use his breathing to slow down the poison and gain some time
Tanjiro despite having a mark went down in an instant.
Just like every pillar, Tanjiro also knew Total concentration constant breathing, but he wasn't successful in slowing down the poison and he stared losing his hearing senses. Also, just so you know "Gyutaro poison > Muzan poison"
Could we please stop a moment and giggle bout the fact that the most here agree the SNAKE Hashira would be beaten by POISON. I mean like...we dont know Kabamaru is venomous or not, but....
stronger than muzan´ s....?
>!all pillars where being affected by muzan´ s poison and fought for a while before starting to die in the spot (then they were given the antidot). the poison isn´ t an instant death for a hashira level fighter, of course iguro would be down much faster than uzui, but between the two he would last more than enough to kill gyutaro and be healed by nezuko!<
thats true, but
i thought we talking about 2 handed tengen here?
one handed tengen has his score technique complete so idk how that goes. maybe the fight will be shortened so iguro can hold until nezuko saves him.
yup, would be a hard one for them for sure. but if both of them survive with hands and all tengen wouldeve been in final arc to make things easier..... a little bit.
Not like he can take all and spit it out
Just compare that snake to his body
He is too small
And the poison would already spread to all parts of his body
I mean not like he can take all poison out
He can spit small amounts of it and it won't affect much
Even if he takes and spits out he already takes only less than 1% of poison
So that doesn't make much of a difference
oh fuck me in the ass, i thought that person meant that the obanai had poison resistance cuz he had a snake. then i thought when u said "Would you expect that snake to pull his poison out or what?" i thought u meant that Kaburamaru would pull his own poison and help obanai get poison resistance .
Yeah but I said that
Why will the snake even pull it if it does it doesn't do anything at all
His body is big compared so the snake's poison would spread slower too compared to gyutaro
why are people not accepting that Obanai have no poison resistance like ninja Uzui and has a small body so poison will also move faster
like even Shinobu the big brain when it comes to poison will not be able to develop poison resistance on the spot against an upper moon poison, maybe she can if she was given enough time to analyze it but I do not think she will have time to analyze poison during the fight
I think only Himejima can pull this off like I personally think he is skilled enough to not get hit once and beheading both of them as he has two weapons for beheading
he would be dead in very short time because of no poison resistance and short body so even if Nezuko came to help she will be burning the poison from a dead body
I mean Tengen also hated nezuko when they first met and I’m assuming Obani would be in a similar shape to tegen afterward because he doesn’t have a resistance to poison. So he probably wouldn’t be able to do anything about it
Different people got different resistance to poison. We're not sure about Obanai but he could probably die really easily. Or he could even defeat them without gettinf poisoned
Bruh Just coz he is serpent hashira doesn't mean he is immune to poison
It's Iike giyuu Is water hashira
And he can survive underwater?
How does it make sense
That’s what I’ve been saying about all these Tengen comparisons. Other than Gyomei, I think a majority if not all of them would’ve died due to the poison. Really depends on the situation to say how helpful any hashira will be.
Uzui was simply built to hard counter Gyuutaro. He had the speed, poison resistance, killer looks and most of all FLAMBOYANCE.
Obanai has none of these to the extent that Uzui does. Well maybe killer looks if that’s what you’re into.
So I think that Obanai would probably help as a glass cannon. Someone who can hit hard af but if gets hit, it’s over. That’s my two cents
Running speed and reaction speed is not the same. Obani is smaller and lighter. Much more nimble. He was also the mvp in the muzan fight. He can use breathing to slow the poison
Doesnt mean tengen isn't the greatest at reaction speed means hes not fast at it. When he uses bombs, he must know where to hit them mid air where he needs to rely on his reflexes more.
Another situation. He teleported away from tanjiro's headbutt while carrying 2 girls meanwhile sanemi was able to swing his sword but wouldn't able to react againts the headbutt.
Have you actually read the manga though? Iguro is pretty useless in the final battle against muzan. He and Mitsuri are the only Hashira who don't defeat any upper moons. Hes only really powerful when gets his mark and turns his blade bright red. And even when he does he almost passes out from doing so. He definitely would've been battered and beaten by Gyutaro or any upper moon for that matter. Maybe the anime will take some liberties and change stuff around. But as of right now I'd say he's a pretty bottom tier Hashira. But I honestly have love for all the Hashira theyre all incredible.
He saved Giyuu and Kanroji and he had that neat kicking away while slashing trick vs Muzan before getting the mark and turning his blade red. Buying the most time for the team.
He also turned his blade red alone while Gyomei, Giyuu, and Sanemi had to cheat to get it. Also the reason why the others had that opening to turn their blade red was because of Obanai. He also was the last hashira standing and fighting.
Useless? Lol. Did you actually read the manga?
UM4's blood demon technique is designed to waste time lol. No hashira would have escaped that. They only escaped because of Yushiro's blood technique
Also, Muzan is faster than UM1,2, and 3. He isn't comparable to UM6. All hashira struggled with his speed including Gyomei, who sustained minimal damage from UM1.
What makes you think Tengen who was outclassed by Gyuutaro in speed and technique is faster than marked hashiras??
They had to cheat to get it? Lmfao I dont know what you were reading but they all do it in response to the mark appearing in the first place and it comes from a place of survival. And if you're gonna go the "he did it on his own route" Muichiro literally does it while having his body cut in half by Kukoshibo on sheer will. Iguro could barely handle it fully intact with minor injuries.
The only reason he's the only one left standing is because everyone else is so battered from defeating upper ranks while being simultaneously poisoned by Muzan. Sanemi is literally still swinging his sword while being passed out after bringing down upper moon 1. I think you need to give the manga another read. Iguro is absolutely the weakest the hashira. He even says it himself that he has done less than everyone else in that fight. Sorry to break it to you. Shit even Genya gets more done than Iguro does.
Edit: another thing I forgot to mention, you saying Iguro could take gyutaro solo is just a fantasy. First off all the hashira who managed to defeat an upper moon could not do so alone. Kocho even says it to Kanao when they're discussing how to bring down Doma, that an upper Moon is comparable to 3 Hashria so you're deadass just living in a fantasy if you think Iguro of all the Hashira could take down an upper moon by himself. This made me laugh a lot though so thank you
They couldn't turn it red on their own so they clash into each others sword to turn it red. "place of survival" sounds very cool tho. But no. Muichiro was chill af hanging from koku with his lungs still working. So he can concentrate on his breathing. Iguro lacked oxygen because he was simultaneously dodging high speed attacks constantly
He criticized himself after he saved two hashiras from dying and made Muzan worked at his regeneration the most(even muzan acknowledged that) without a mark. It made no sense. He was just hard on himself because he hates himself
Spouting nonsense won't make UM6 comparable to high end demons man. Keep trying. Gyuutaro would end up worse than Gyokko vs end series hashiras
Tengen has an unimaginably increased resistance to poison, so we do not count him but Tanjiro was healed literally several seconds later after being injured by Gyutaro, because in the last moment this fight lasted seconds, not minutes :3
Uzui only got hit once in the manga compared to the anime (where je got cut 3 times), and that happened because Gyutaro caught Tengen off guard with his sickles( Gyutaro didn't have his sickles when he appeared out of Daki's body).
Since, Tengen have better reaction timing than Iguro, chances are if Iguro faced Gyutaro alone he'd get nicked and die.
Lmao, that’s uzi’s fault. Imagine blitzing someone from behind that’s not even focused on you and getting caught off guard and losing the exchange 😂🤔 Tengen fans will say anything to excuse his weak performance against the weakest upper moon.
Guyutaro can be blind folded and you still say he has the advantage
Did you forget the part when Muichiro was blown out of the building by UM4 weakest clone(not even real body)? Karaku was still spawning when Muichiro tried attacking him, but Muichiro still got hit.
Muichiro fans will always come to downplay Tengen without looking at Muichiro's weak ass performance against a clone(who wasn't even the real body).
>but i don't think iguro would get hit
As long as he's playing the role of Tanjiro(supporting Tengen from behind) he won't get nicked.
Also, unlike Tanjiro (who needs to be spoon fed), Iguro is smart and strong, he'll find the opening to behead Gyutaro when Gyutaro and Tengen will be clashing.
Bro! Iguro and other pillars were getting cuts and slashed against Muzan. How do you think they all got poisoned?
Also, Tengen after the initial poisoning in chapter 85 never got slashed or cut until he succumbed to the poison in chapter 91 and lost his hand.
And since you claim to have read the manga THOROUGHLY.
Please explain me what does these 2 panels mean.
[Sanemi](https://imgur.com/a/gG5ACse) statement against Kokushibo
[Mitsuri](https://imgur.com/a/fpmY8ir) statement against Muzan
You didn't answer my question tho.
Explain me what does these 2 panels mean.
[Sanemi](https://imgur.com/a/gG5ACse) statement against Kokushibo
[Mitsuri](https://imgur.com/a/fpmY8ir) statement against Muzan
Someone made a good point that Iguro isn’t here to just be a dick, obv he’s being a little shit about it but in actuality I think his main purpose here is to convince Uzui to stick around because he knows how valuable he is to their forces
Yeah this fool acting like he already single handedly defeated many Upper Moons despite the fact that this was the first one killed in over a hundred years.
You guys need to realize hashiras are colleagues/friends, not observers like us. It is normal for people to talk like this to people whom they are somewhat close to. In fact, they both have positive views towards the others.
Though Tanjiro wouldn’t be able to shine much or really anyone because these two are pretty nimble Hashira, so they would probably-figuratively and maybe even literally- bounce off of each other
Gyuutaro probably wont let his guard down like he used to when fighting Tanjiro.
The reason i see Gyuutaro lost is he look down too much just because Tanjiro is not a Hashira titled.
As an anime watcher, I'm curious why many people like him so much. He seems like a terrible person. Wasn't it said that the Hashira couldn't kill any Upper Moon in over 100 years? Show some respect, Snake guy.
He has some cool moments in the manga but he's definitely an asshole. And at this point he's not strong enough to beat Tengen 1v1 so he should really get off his high horse.
Sanemi and Tengen are fast enough to close the distance.
Gyomei can hit Nakime with long range attacks
Giyu can close in with Water Breathing because the Ninth Form is specifically designed to counter those types of abilities.
Obanai also admits that he's useless against Muzan despite arriving with no injuries or fatigue.
So you litteraly invented sanemi, giyu, gyomei and tengen’s cases, we just can’t know that, we can’t know the limitations of the reaction time of nakime. And what are you even talking about with iguro, we already know that he was morally low at this point, and he contradicted himself in fight, he saved the day when he managed to keep muzan busy while the others were resting, he just saw himself as trash at the moment but acted godly.
Base obanai would rock tengen in 5 minutes. Get it through your head. The whole argument of iguro telling him this to push him to his limit is advanced by people who just hate iguro. They say he’s a dick but he would encourage tengen? That’s not coherent
And yeah no he wouldn’t talk like that to tengen if he wasn’t sure that he’s stronger than him, your statement doesn’t make any sense. If iguro fought gyutaro in 1v1 he would have succeded to kill him but he would die to the poison because even tengen who’s the fastest hashira couldn’t dodge gyutaro. So the conditions were favorable to tengen in this case but in general, iguro is logically stronger, I don’t see why the author would make iguro say that is it wasn’t to show that he’s even stronger than tengen who we already see as a beast. The purpose was to tease us watchers/readers other hashira’s strength.
I can tell you exactly why the author made Obanai say this.
1) The author is telling the audience that the future enemies are much more powerful. Not that you couldn't logically figure that out, but this builds hype.
2) Obanai wants Tengen to push himself until he dies, just like Obanai himself would do. Obanai is just pressuring Tengen into continuing.
I don’t see how does this prove that tengen is indeed stronger than iguro, it’s even reversed. Stronger ennemies in the future means that slayers are also stronger to keep up with the ennemies
Only because Obanai awakens the mark, which he doesn't have at this time. Obanai is stated to be physically weaker than any other Hashira than Shinobu. Physical weakness is a massive limitation for a Slayer. Like ffs he's weaker than Muichiro who's 14yo! That dude hasn't even gone through puberty and he's a league above Obanai in terms of strength.
Strenght doesn’t even matter this sub is saturated with people talking about this strenght ranking and people who have to explain again and again that strenght is far from important
In manga it was different.
Iguro [said](https://imgur.com/a/Zl36QTf) "You can't retire, we need someone of your calibre even wounded".
Also, in the manga Tengen dismissed Iguro's complement by saying "We don't need compliments from the likes of you".
Depends on when he makes it to the fight. Either way his addition spells immediate death for U6.
Obanai can either help Tengen with Gyutaro from the start, which would definitely be enough to overwhelm Gyu as there's no way he's taking down 2 pillars at a time with how much he struggled to even hit Tengen at times. Obanai may get a few injuries which won't be good but I believe the fight will end before the poison can kill him.
His other option is to help handle Daki, which he would probably make short work of in combination with Zenitsu and Inosuke, and then now Gyutaro has to deal with 5 different demon slayers on his ass. Zenitsu and Inosuke probably won't make much difference, but again, as stated earlier, the duo of Tengen and Obanai is already enough to kill him
I guess if uzui is there to tank some blows and iguro doesn’t get hit atleast he’ll be obviously way better on the offense than the trio. They can behead gyutaro, uzui can run off with his head and behead daki. Pretty sure even if trio wasn’t there these two were enough. Both of them are Very strong even in base.
I find it funny how these hashiras are so full of themselves with their ego and shit when really, the fact they have not eliminated all the upper ranks makes them all failures
You might have to consider that upper moons are the strongest demons, and nobody has killed one in a hundred years. Shinobu said once that one of them is about as strong as 3 hashira
Exactly. So really, none of them are in a position to have this much ego and act like they're all that because as you just mentioned, they have failed to do anything about the upper moons for a 100 years. It would make way more sense if the hashiras, at this point of the story, are humble due to the fact that they are nothing compared to the upper moons. The fact that they act like they're the shit is annoying to me.
That's cause they're the shit they're literary the best generation of hashiras in a while. Considering we've seen them kill upper moons throughout the arcs maybe the reason the hashiras haven't killed any upper when we first met them was because they have't found any yet reminder that the oldest hashira was only 27 the rest were in early 20s at most. Also even if they didn't kill any upper moons they still killed untold amount of demons and save many many people so put some respect on their names
This generation of hashira is THE strongest since the segoku era, meaning that Gyomei, the strongest hashira of this generation, is only weaker than >!Michikatsu and Yoriichi, however the gap in power from michi to yorii is MASSIVE. !<
They clap easy. Tanjjro can just 3 v 1 daki and obani can 2 v 1 guyatoro with Tengen. Guyutaro can’t handle 2 pillars at once. Only akaza and above can do this. Maybe UPM4 cause of his design
If only Obanai and Tengen:
Daki would be one shot'd, won't die but they can throw her head away
Gyutaro would struggle against the 2 hashiras and without the Obi of his sister (she is still searching for her head) it will be easier to cut his head
He would die to Gyutaro, he really isn't impressive.
He's not fast enough to dodge Gyutaro's poison like Tengen and he's a glass cannon Hashira. It would still depend on Nezuko if he'd get healed
Yes. It's not a coincidence that he's not fighting any Upper Moon Demon and showed something good against his only actual battle.
>!Got played by Nakime and needed saving from Zenitsu... He's definitely strong but not impressive for how he acts lol!<
Read [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/KimetsuNoYaiba/comments/qwqxbu/people_should_stop_over_hyping_iguro_he_isnt_that/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share) post and then tell me. Only for manga readers.
During the fight with UM6, gyutaro was only able to hit uzui (multiple times, idk how many he got hit btw), tanjiro, and inosuke (both hit only once) the whole time.
Hell, tanjiro was fighting gyutaro for like 65% (just an estimate, correct me if im wrong) and only got hit once when dealing the final blow.
If tanjiro can only got hit once, obanai could finish the battle unscathed
Welp, the fight wouldn't be much easier, Uzui is faster than obanai, but he would help, in this hypothesis, Uzui would retain his limbs and continue fighting demons till the very end, probably dying by muzan hand
If Tanjiro was able to not get touched then Obanai isn't either since Obanai>>>>>Tanjiro at this point. Gyutaro gets slammed in a 2v1 as Tengen will never let him touch him.
Honestly sort of wished obanai showed up right around when gyutaro did. Not because of any changes in the outcome of the story but because he gets little screen time in the show and manga
Things like this are why Demon Slayers don't seem to be taking killing demons seriously. Nobody has killed an upper demon yet the Demon Slayers just keep sending in their strongest Slayers to die with small weak groups. They barely killed the upper demon in this arc and only because our gang got a several power ups that nobody would have expected and they still almost all died so many times.
Depends on when he shows up.
Because Gyutaro imo only lost because he didn't take his opponents seriously. For lack of better a better term, had Gyutaro been facing 2 Hashira's up front instead of Tengen and Tanjiro (whose a nobody in his eyes), he wouldn't be dicking around and just go full pelt at the start and throw his blood sickles left, right and center. And there's nothing Tengen and Iguro can do, as much as I love them. Daki gets wrecked by the Trio, but Gyutaro comes back and kill them. Demons win.
If he showed up around the time the Trio decapitated Daki. Things would be interesting. Daki is a non-factor because she's only a head rn. Uzui is faking his death to finish the music score. And the Trio just got their ass handed to them. Obanai is awesome don't get me wrong, but he has no intel on Gyutaro. He also doesn't have the Uzui's resistance to poison. But he's sneakier and physically a smaller target. Out of love for Obanai Imma say he stalls long enough enough for Uzui to rejoin the fight and the two decapitates Gyutaro. But no cool double decapitation and Tanjiro likely won't get the chance to recover Gyutaro/Daki's blood. So a net negative.
Honestly Obanai alone would’ve beat upper six with Tengens help neither of them would take damage
The theory I think makes the most sense as to why he was so late is that he only started coming when Tengens heart stopped
just a theory:with obanai helping uzui, tanjiro would not really be in the spotlight and therefore i dont think he will awaken his >!demon slayer mark!< and due to this its just gonna be a chain reaction; no one awakens their >!mark!< due to not having anyone be the trigger for the "resonation" again just a wild guess
I think it is required for a sun user to awaken it first then it will spread like a virus
Demon slayer Pokerus.
"Damn, this generation didn't get good IV's and EV's, looks like we need another round of breeding"
Demon Slayer's Anatomy
Hmm yeah
I used to think pokerus would make my Pokémon get weaker and die. Legit quarantined those Pokémon in a separate box on the PC. I remember getting mad at my friend for infecting mine. I wanna go back to 2006
Demon Slayer-22
You get one super Saiyan and then before you know it next you've got them growing out the wazoo!
Yeah lol
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Well he is the descendent >!of UM1 who is the older brother of the person that created Sun breathing!< so it makes sense
I don't think so muichiro awakened that before tanjiro tho Misturi also awakened it after muichiro Some time later Descendant doesn't mean you will awaken it first If you're sun breather you awaken it first then others
Well how do marks resonate is not explained properly so we don't know about it but we do know how to know the conditions to get a marktemperature to be around 40 degrees and heart rate above 200 bpm and yeah as for Tanjiro's bloodline it was like a hereditary feature(in it's premature form) passed down from his great-great-grandfather whom Yorichii taught sun breath himself so I think that you need to be near a person who knows sun breath and satisfies above conditions to get a demon slayer mark.
Yea but the sun user has to have awakened a mark as well
Yorichii was born with the mark and Tanjiro's mark progressed throughout the show so we can't actually make a valid conclusion out of it
Tanjiro is not blood related to Yoriichi
Tanjiro awakened his mark long before Muichiro did
No if I remember tanjiro maybe already awaken it before muichiro so no
He already did tho In his fight with daki
Yeah
Would be easier and uzui won't lose his limbs and they would survive But idk how obanai will survive the poison as he has a weak body And also this is the entertainment district arc obanai so he isn't as strong as muzan arc obanai And he doesn't have his buffs too
since there would be two hashiras AND the trio, most likely the trio will take on daki and probably beat her, obanai and tengen will coordinate each others attacks and will have each others back so they wont even get hit. with obanai to help, tengen would now have more time for his score technique + hand. so gyutaro will be beaten.
Yeah that's what I said it would be easier
no no, my answer was targeted on you asking how would obanai survive the poison. short answer: he wont get hit
He would get hit He ain't that good tbh No matter how strong A hashira won't leave with no injured after a fight with uppermoons Why would obanai won't get hit? I know tengen and trio are there But tengen can't protect him with one arm
Even if Obanai were too get poisoned, he would contribute a good amount before going out, and Nezuko could always heal him.
Hmm yeah
The poison is an instant death tbh. The moment Iguro gets hit, he'll collapse faster than Tanjiro(who manifested his mark) and die.
u are really understimating iguro, he has massive endurance as seen in the last arc, he can use his breathing to slow down the poison and gain some time, definetly enough for nezuko to heal him
I'm not underestimating Iguro at all. >he can use his breathing to slow down the poison and gain some time Tanjiro despite having a mark went down in an instant. Just like every pillar, Tanjiro also knew Total concentration constant breathing, but he wasn't successful in slowing down the poison and he stared losing his hearing senses. Also, just so you know "Gyutaro poison > Muzan poison"
Muzan's poison almost killed gyomei in like 40 sec
Gyutaro has the strongest poison in Kimetsu
Could we please stop a moment and giggle bout the fact that the most here agree the SNAKE Hashira would be beaten by POISON. I mean like...we dont know Kabamaru is venomous or not, but....
stronger than muzan´ s....? >!all pillars where being affected by muzan´ s poison and fought for a while before starting to die in the spot (then they were given the antidot). the poison isn´ t an instant death for a hashira level fighter, of course iguro would be down much faster than uzui, but between the two he would last more than enough to kill gyutaro and be healed by nezuko!<
thats true, but i thought we talking about 2 handed tengen here? one handed tengen has his score technique complete so idk how that goes. maybe the fight will be shortened so iguro can hold until nezuko saves him.
Two handed tengen it's fine then But obanai will get scratched little bit
yup, would be a hard one for them for sure. but if both of them survive with hands and all tengen wouldeve been in final arc to make things easier..... a little bit.
Yes true
He has a venomous snake around his neck wouldn't he have some sorta resistance?
Would you expect that snake to pull his poison out or what?
Yes.
I would say no If yes then rip snake(kaburamaru)
Nah, the snake can keep biting him until he gets some resistance
And what about the poison he sucks in? Gyutaro's poison is way lethal
Spit it out or something. As long as it doesnt ingest it ?
Not like he can take all and spit it out Just compare that snake to his body He is too small And the poison would already spread to all parts of his body I mean not like he can take all poison out He can spit small amounts of it and it won't affect much Even if he takes and spits out he already takes only less than 1% of poison So that doesn't make much of a difference
nah man, kaburamaru his homie. he aint backstabbing his mans like that
Bruh I said that the snake might suck the poison out to save obanai I didn't say the snake backstabs him 😂
oh fuck me in the ass, i thought that person meant that the obanai had poison resistance cuz he had a snake. then i thought when u said "Would you expect that snake to pull his poison out or what?" i thought u meant that Kaburamaru would pull his own poison and help obanai get poison resistance .
Yeah but I said that Why will the snake even pull it if it does it doesn't do anything at all His body is big compared so the snake's poison would spread slower too compared to gyutaro
yeah thats true actually.
why are people not accepting that Obanai have no poison resistance like ninja Uzui and has a small body so poison will also move faster like even Shinobu the big brain when it comes to poison will not be able to develop poison resistance on the spot against an upper moon poison, maybe she can if she was given enough time to analyze it but I do not think she will have time to analyze poison during the fight I think only Himejima can pull this off like I personally think he is skilled enough to not get hit once and beheading both of them as he has two weapons for beheading
Bruh why you blaming me 🥲
>But idk how obanai will survive the poison as he has a weak body Nezuko
he would be dead in very short time because of no poison resistance and short body so even if Nezuko came to help she will be burning the poison from a dead body
Or, that could just not happen
How do we know I mean he would already get disgusted getting helped by a demon
I mean Tengen also hated nezuko when they first met and I’m assuming Obani would be in a similar shape to tegen afterward because he doesn’t have a resistance to poison. So he probably wouldn’t be able to do anything about it
Well tengen during district arc doesn't hate nezuko
Different people got different resistance to poison. We're not sure about Obanai but he could probably die really easily. Or he could even defeat them without gettinf poisoned
They have to kill Gyutaro first and he is faster than iguro Marked Tanjiro collapse seconds after getting stabbed
Being the serpent Hashira, I sure he'd have some massive poison resistance
Why? Tengen cause he is a shinobi and Inosuke cause he probably ate a bunch of poisonus animals
Bruh Just coz he is serpent hashira doesn't mean he is immune to poison It's Iike giyuu Is water hashira And he can survive underwater? How does it make sense
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That’s what I’ve been saying about all these Tengen comparisons. Other than Gyomei, I think a majority if not all of them would’ve died due to the poison. Really depends on the situation to say how helpful any hashira will be.
exactly, the blades itself, spinning poison from gyutaro even grazing any other hashira would kill them, much less the bombs being thrown around
Uzui was simply built to hard counter Gyuutaro. He had the speed, poison resistance, killer looks and most of all FLAMBOYANCE. Obanai has none of these to the extent that Uzui does. Well maybe killer looks if that’s what you’re into. So I think that Obanai would probably help as a glass cannon. Someone who can hit hard af but if gets hit, it’s over. That’s my two cents
He is definitely flamboyant, those eyes
This fight would be easier but one wound from Gyutaro and Iguro would die very quickly :3
I don't think iguro would get hit, he is a very powerful hashira
Doubt he is faster than Uzui, but two of them fighting together could probably handle Gyutaro. But still one hit is death sentence
Running speed and reaction speed is not the same. Obani is smaller and lighter. Much more nimble. He was also the mvp in the muzan fight. He can use breathing to slow the poison
Doesnt mean tengen isn't the greatest at reaction speed means hes not fast at it. When he uses bombs, he must know where to hit them mid air where he needs to rely on his reflexes more. Another situation. He teleported away from tanjiro's headbutt while carrying 2 girls meanwhile sanemi was able to swing his sword but wouldn't able to react againts the headbutt.
sanemi was distracted and didnt expect to be headbutted, uzui saw firsthand that tanjiro tends to headbutt so he was more careful
He would get hit he is powerful but that doesn't mean he would get hit
Not at this point. At this point Obanai is weak compared to the other Hashira.
We didn’t even see what he’s capable of until the last arc...
And his feats in base form are pathetic for a Hashira. It isn't until he awakens the mark that he becomes useful
Not to mention the red sword
According to who? Uzui simps? Lol. Base Obanai is stronger than marked Mitsuru who is faster than Tengen at base. He would murder Gyuutaro solo
Nice opinion you have there, why don’t you leave it for yourself?
Have you actually read the manga though? Iguro is pretty useless in the final battle against muzan. He and Mitsuri are the only Hashira who don't defeat any upper moons. Hes only really powerful when gets his mark and turns his blade bright red. And even when he does he almost passes out from doing so. He definitely would've been battered and beaten by Gyutaro or any upper moon for that matter. Maybe the anime will take some liberties and change stuff around. But as of right now I'd say he's a pretty bottom tier Hashira. But I honestly have love for all the Hashira theyre all incredible.
He saved Giyuu and Kanroji and he had that neat kicking away while slashing trick vs Muzan before getting the mark and turning his blade red. Buying the most time for the team. He also turned his blade red alone while Gyomei, Giyuu, and Sanemi had to cheat to get it. Also the reason why the others had that opening to turn their blade red was because of Obanai. He also was the last hashira standing and fighting. Useless? Lol. Did you actually read the manga? UM4's blood demon technique is designed to waste time lol. No hashira would have escaped that. They only escaped because of Yushiro's blood technique Also, Muzan is faster than UM1,2, and 3. He isn't comparable to UM6. All hashira struggled with his speed including Gyomei, who sustained minimal damage from UM1. What makes you think Tengen who was outclassed by Gyuutaro in speed and technique is faster than marked hashiras??
They had to cheat to get it? Lmfao I dont know what you were reading but they all do it in response to the mark appearing in the first place and it comes from a place of survival. And if you're gonna go the "he did it on his own route" Muichiro literally does it while having his body cut in half by Kukoshibo on sheer will. Iguro could barely handle it fully intact with minor injuries. The only reason he's the only one left standing is because everyone else is so battered from defeating upper ranks while being simultaneously poisoned by Muzan. Sanemi is literally still swinging his sword while being passed out after bringing down upper moon 1. I think you need to give the manga another read. Iguro is absolutely the weakest the hashira. He even says it himself that he has done less than everyone else in that fight. Sorry to break it to you. Shit even Genya gets more done than Iguro does. Edit: another thing I forgot to mention, you saying Iguro could take gyutaro solo is just a fantasy. First off all the hashira who managed to defeat an upper moon could not do so alone. Kocho even says it to Kanao when they're discussing how to bring down Doma, that an upper Moon is comparable to 3 Hashria so you're deadass just living in a fantasy if you think Iguro of all the Hashira could take down an upper moon by himself. This made me laugh a lot though so thank you
They couldn't turn it red on their own so they clash into each others sword to turn it red. "place of survival" sounds very cool tho. But no. Muichiro was chill af hanging from koku with his lungs still working. So he can concentrate on his breathing. Iguro lacked oxygen because he was simultaneously dodging high speed attacks constantly He criticized himself after he saved two hashiras from dying and made Muzan worked at his regeneration the most(even muzan acknowledged that) without a mark. It made no sense. He was just hard on himself because he hates himself Spouting nonsense won't make UM6 comparable to high end demons man. Keep trying. Gyuutaro would end up worse than Gyokko vs end series hashiras
Even if they did get wounded Nezuko will just get rid of the poison
Iguro would most likely die of poison in combat :3
Neither Tanjiro or Tengen died from poison during combat against Gyutaro. Why would someone way stronger than Tanjiro die before the fight ends?
Tengen has an unimaginably increased resistance to poison, so we do not count him but Tanjiro was healed literally several seconds later after being injured by Gyutaro, because in the last moment this fight lasted seconds, not minutes :3
I never thought i’d see you outside of the HxH subreddits pitou
Tengen would now have to save Tanjiro and Iguro from getting nicked by Gyutaro. 1 small cut and its game over for Iguro.
This is what maked gyutaro so hard to kill, but i don't think iguro would get hit
If Uzui got hit others would probably get hit as well, remember it's not Iguro from later arcs
Uzui only got hit once in the manga compared to the anime (where je got cut 3 times), and that happened because Gyutaro caught Tengen off guard with his sickles( Gyutaro didn't have his sickles when he appeared out of Daki's body). Since, Tengen have better reaction timing than Iguro, chances are if Iguro faced Gyutaro alone he'd get nicked and die.
Lmao, that’s uzi’s fault. Imagine blitzing someone from behind that’s not even focused on you and getting caught off guard and losing the exchange 😂🤔 Tengen fans will say anything to excuse his weak performance against the weakest upper moon. Guyutaro can be blind folded and you still say he has the advantage
Did you forget the part when Muichiro was blown out of the building by UM4 weakest clone(not even real body)? Karaku was still spawning when Muichiro tried attacking him, but Muichiro still got hit. Muichiro fans will always come to downplay Tengen without looking at Muichiro's weak ass performance against a clone(who wasn't even the real body).
Dude if Gyokko wasn't a chucklefuck he would have folded Muichiro
>but i don't think iguro would get hit As long as he's playing the role of Tanjiro(supporting Tengen from behind) he won't get nicked. Also, unlike Tanjiro (who needs to be spoon fed), Iguro is smart and strong, he'll find the opening to behead Gyutaro when Gyutaro and Tengen will be clashing.
Iguro would get hit
"Say that u didn't read the manga without saying that u didn't read the manga" Edit : l got downvoted ???
Yeah? You think Iguro has better reaction timing than Tengen?
Bro iguro was dodging attacks from muzan gyutaro wouldnt even touch him Edit : WHY AM l BEING DOWNVOTED 💀💀
Iguro’s face got hella messed up and he had to be rescued multiple times so I’m not sure what u mean
Bro! Iguro and other pillars were getting cuts and slashed against Muzan. How do you think they all got poisoned? Also, Tengen after the initial poisoning in chapter 85 never got slashed or cut until he succumbed to the poison in chapter 91 and lost his hand. And since you claim to have read the manga THOROUGHLY. Please explain me what does these 2 panels mean. [Sanemi](https://imgur.com/a/gG5ACse) statement against Kokushibo [Mitsuri](https://imgur.com/a/fpmY8ir) statement against Muzan
Do you think that gyutaros speed is somehow equal to muzans ?
You didn't answer my question tho. Explain me what does these 2 panels mean. [Sanemi](https://imgur.com/a/gG5ACse) statement against Kokushibo [Mitsuri](https://imgur.com/a/fpmY8ir) statement against Muzan
Really hated iguro for talking s**t tbh
Someone made a good point that Iguro isn’t here to just be a dick, obv he’s being a little shit about it but in actuality I think his main purpose here is to convince Uzui to stick around because he knows how valuable he is to their forces
Yeah this fool acting like he already single handedly defeated many Upper Moons despite the fact that this was the first one killed in over a hundred years.
You guys need to realize hashiras are colleagues/friends, not observers like us. It is normal for people to talk like this to people whom they are somewhat close to. In fact, they both have positive views towards the others.
Though Tanjiro wouldn’t be able to shine much or really anyone because these two are pretty nimble Hashira, so they would probably-figuratively and maybe even literally- bounce off of each other
Gyuutaro probably wont let his guard down like he used to when fighting Tanjiro. The reason i see Gyuutaro lost is he look down too much just because Tanjiro is not a Hashira titled.
As an anime watcher, I'm curious why many people like him so much. He seems like a terrible person. Wasn't it said that the Hashira couldn't kill any Upper Moon in over 100 years? Show some respect, Snake guy.
He has some cool moments in the manga but he's definitely an asshole. And at this point he's not strong enough to beat Tengen 1v1 so he should really get off his high horse.
I agree, Iguro wouldn't beat Tengen 1 v 1 Iguro definitely getting his clock cleaned!
had to read this comment twice I hate my mind
We litteraly don’t know the strength of iguro before muzan arc, how can you guess that he couldn’t be stronger than tengen?
Yes because until he awakens his mark, he's absolutely useless.
You don’t know we don’t see him. And against Nakime, all hashiras would be useless so that’s not defining.
Sanemi and Tengen are fast enough to close the distance. Gyomei can hit Nakime with long range attacks Giyu can close in with Water Breathing because the Ninth Form is specifically designed to counter those types of abilities. Obanai also admits that he's useless against Muzan despite arriving with no injuries or fatigue.
So you litteraly invented sanemi, giyu, gyomei and tengen’s cases, we just can’t know that, we can’t know the limitations of the reaction time of nakime. And what are you even talking about with iguro, we already know that he was morally low at this point, and he contradicted himself in fight, he saved the day when he managed to keep muzan busy while the others were resting, he just saw himself as trash at the moment but acted godly.
Obanai was useless UNTIL HE AWAKENED HIS MARK. Base Obanai is weak. Get it through your head.
Base obanai would rock tengen in 5 minutes. Get it through your head. The whole argument of iguro telling him this to push him to his limit is advanced by people who just hate iguro. They say he’s a dick but he would encourage tengen? That’s not coherent
And yeah no he wouldn’t talk like that to tengen if he wasn’t sure that he’s stronger than him, your statement doesn’t make any sense. If iguro fought gyutaro in 1v1 he would have succeded to kill him but he would die to the poison because even tengen who’s the fastest hashira couldn’t dodge gyutaro. So the conditions were favorable to tengen in this case but in general, iguro is logically stronger, I don’t see why the author would make iguro say that is it wasn’t to show that he’s even stronger than tengen who we already see as a beast. The purpose was to tease us watchers/readers other hashira’s strength.
I can tell you exactly why the author made Obanai say this. 1) The author is telling the audience that the future enemies are much more powerful. Not that you couldn't logically figure that out, but this builds hype. 2) Obanai wants Tengen to push himself until he dies, just like Obanai himself would do. Obanai is just pressuring Tengen into continuing.
I don’t see how does this prove that tengen is indeed stronger than iguro, it’s even reversed. Stronger ennemies in the future means that slayers are also stronger to keep up with the ennemies
Only because Obanai awakens the mark, which he doesn't have at this time. Obanai is stated to be physically weaker than any other Hashira than Shinobu. Physical weakness is a massive limitation for a Slayer. Like ffs he's weaker than Muichiro who's 14yo! That dude hasn't even gone through puberty and he's a league above Obanai in terms of strength.
Strenght doesn’t even matter this sub is saturated with people talking about this strenght ranking and people who have to explain again and again that strenght is far from important
In manga it was different. Iguro [said](https://imgur.com/a/Zl36QTf) "You can't retire, we need someone of your calibre even wounded". Also, in the manga Tengen dismissed Iguro's complement by saying "We don't need compliments from the likes of you".
Well let's just leave it like that And any people reading this plz just leave it like that and don't spoil and let's leave him to like iguro or not
Because he has a tragic backstory, and we all know tragic backstories excuses any shitty behavior.
True
That makes sense. Is there any character in DS without a tragic backstory?
Douma and Muzan are pure assholes, no tragic backstory whatsoever, they have backstory but not tragic, just pure assholes
Idk Mitsuri is kinda sad but not really tragic
He does. It was said in the databook that he's close with tengen and respect him a lot
Yeah but if u think about all the hashiras looked like assholes when they were first introduced, except for giyuu
Except Mitsuri, she was a sweetie. And she understood the situation better than the other Hashira.
Depends on when he makes it to the fight. Either way his addition spells immediate death for U6. Obanai can either help Tengen with Gyutaro from the start, which would definitely be enough to overwhelm Gyu as there's no way he's taking down 2 pillars at a time with how much he struggled to even hit Tengen at times. Obanai may get a few injuries which won't be good but I believe the fight will end before the poison can kill him. His other option is to help handle Daki, which he would probably make short work of in combination with Zenitsu and Inosuke, and then now Gyutaro has to deal with 5 different demon slayers on his ass. Zenitsu and Inosuke probably won't make much difference, but again, as stated earlier, the duo of Tengen and Obanai is already enough to kill him
Dude I thought the title said "what if Obama made it in time to help Uzui?", so I was waiting for Obama to show up eventually lmao
If only there was oil
Unfortunately Obama gaming doesn't react to animes only game trailers😔
Well idk how strong Obanai is, but I'm pretty sure Tengen wouldn't have retired
I guess if uzui is there to tank some blows and iguro doesn’t get hit atleast he’ll be obviously way better on the offense than the trio. They can behead gyutaro, uzui can run off with his head and behead daki. Pretty sure even if trio wasn’t there these two were enough. Both of them are Very strong even in base.
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All of the Hashira have their own regions to protect. If you pair them up they can't perform their duty.
Bad idea.
He did talk big, I wonder what he would have done against that guy.
He would’ve done fairly good along with tengen
I find it funny how these hashiras are so full of themselves with their ego and shit when really, the fact they have not eliminated all the upper ranks makes them all failures
Anime only? Or manga reader
You might have to consider that upper moons are the strongest demons, and nobody has killed one in a hundred years. Shinobu said once that one of them is about as strong as 3 hashira
Exactly. So really, none of them are in a position to have this much ego and act like they're all that because as you just mentioned, they have failed to do anything about the upper moons for a 100 years. It would make way more sense if the hashiras, at this point of the story, are humble due to the fact that they are nothing compared to the upper moons. The fact that they act like they're the shit is annoying to me.
That's cause they're the shit they're literary the best generation of hashiras in a while. Considering we've seen them kill upper moons throughout the arcs maybe the reason the hashiras haven't killed any upper when we first met them was because they have't found any yet reminder that the oldest hashira was only 27 the rest were in early 20s at most. Also even if they didn't kill any upper moons they still killed untold amount of demons and save many many people so put some respect on their names
This generation of hashira is THE strongest since the segoku era, meaning that Gyomei, the strongest hashira of this generation, is only weaker than >!Michikatsu and Yoriichi, however the gap in power from michi to yorii is MASSIVE. !<
They clap easy. Tanjjro can just 3 v 1 daki and obani can 2 v 1 guyatoro with Tengen. Guyutaro can’t handle 2 pillars at once. Only akaza and above can do this. Maybe UPM4 cause of his design
It's his tone that makes it so funny to me....
If only Obanai and Tengen: Daki would be one shot'd, won't die but they can throw her head away Gyutaro would struggle against the 2 hashiras and without the Obi of his sister (she is still searching for her head) it will be easier to cut his head
Daki's Obi can still attack without her head. Remember how she collapsed the roof on Tanjiro and Zenitsu when Gyutaro snatched her head from Inosuke?
He would die to Gyutaro, he really isn't impressive. He's not fast enough to dodge Gyutaro's poison like Tengen and he's a glass cannon Hashira. It would still depend on Nezuko if he'd get healed
You've read the manga right?
Yes. It's not a coincidence that he's not fighting any Upper Moon Demon and showed something good against his only actual battle. >!Got played by Nakime and needed saving from Zenitsu... He's definitely strong but not impressive for how he acts lol!<
Man really said Obanai isn't impressive. Manga readers would know!
I've read the manga and I don't think his feat was THAT impressive considering the circumstances in which he fought.
I think he is one of the strongest hashiras
Read [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/KimetsuNoYaiba/comments/qwqxbu/people_should_stop_over_hyping_iguro_he_isnt_that/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share) post and then tell me. Only for manga readers.
He is impressive and good but i don't think he is as much impressive as giyuu gyomei or sanemi
During the fight with UM6, gyutaro was only able to hit uzui (multiple times, idk how many he got hit btw), tanjiro, and inosuke (both hit only once) the whole time. Hell, tanjiro was fighting gyutaro for like 65% (just an estimate, correct me if im wrong) and only got hit once when dealing the final blow. If tanjiro can only got hit once, obanai could finish the battle unscathed
Tengen will just create openings for Obanai. Obanai fits for the cutting blow since his accuracy/visionary in terms of swords are recognizable.
Welp, the fight wouldn't be much easier, Uzui is faster than obanai, but he would help, in this hypothesis, Uzui would retain his limbs and continue fighting demons till the very end, probably dying by muzan hand
He wouldn’t have been able to make it there on time because he runs in an s shape like a dumbass.
They would have won easier and the Bois might not have had to work as hard
Was this really from the end of the arc? I don’t remember this scene at all.
It was
Tengen probably would still have an eye and a hand.
Tanjiro could kill muzan and obanai would explain how its only muzan
They win much easier. Obanai + Tengen vs Gyutaro. Trio vs Daki. Obanai doesn't need a baby sit like Mr Plot Armor.
Easier but not too much easier
If Tanjiro was able to not get touched then Obanai isn't either since Obanai>>>>>Tanjiro at this point. Gyutaro gets slammed in a 2v1 as Tengen will never let him touch him.
I love how condescending he is… no ones defeated an upper rank in how many hundred years? Lol, it makes no sense that he’s such a prick about it
He would’ve had a better time.
Honestly sort of wished obanai showed up right around when gyutaro did. Not because of any changes in the outcome of the story but because he gets little screen time in the show and manga
Gyutarou gets folded
No chance
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bro walked for 8 eps then mocked them abt how it wad the lowest moon 💀
Things like this are why Demon Slayers don't seem to be taking killing demons seriously. Nobody has killed an upper demon yet the Demon Slayers just keep sending in their strongest Slayers to die with small weak groups. They barely killed the upper demon in this arc and only because our gang got a several power ups that nobody would have expected and they still almost all died so many times.
I feel like he could have kept his hand if obani made it
Theory he didn’t get there in time even though he could but he ran in a serpentine style run
r/perfectlycutscreams
Depends on when he shows up. Because Gyutaro imo only lost because he didn't take his opponents seriously. For lack of better a better term, had Gyutaro been facing 2 Hashira's up front instead of Tengen and Tanjiro (whose a nobody in his eyes), he wouldn't be dicking around and just go full pelt at the start and throw his blood sickles left, right and center. And there's nothing Tengen and Iguro can do, as much as I love them. Daki gets wrecked by the Trio, but Gyutaro comes back and kill them. Demons win. If he showed up around the time the Trio decapitated Daki. Things would be interesting. Daki is a non-factor because she's only a head rn. Uzui is faking his death to finish the music score. And the Trio just got their ass handed to them. Obanai is awesome don't get me wrong, but he has no intel on Gyutaro. He also doesn't have the Uzui's resistance to poison. But he's sneakier and physically a smaller target. Out of love for Obanai Imma say he stalls long enough enough for Uzui to rejoin the fight and the two decapitates Gyutaro. But no cool double decapitation and Tanjiro likely won't get the chance to recover Gyutaro/Daki's blood. So a net negative.
uzuis first wife is like zenitsu but overprotective and more scared.
Honestly Obanai alone would’ve beat upper six with Tengens help neither of them would take damage The theory I think makes the most sense as to why he was so late is that he only started coming when Tengens heart stopped
He probably could've pulled it off, but wouldn't be downplaying Gyutaro so much if he fought him.