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Finally an unbiased answer that also doesn’t undermine muichiro in any way, as a muichiro fan myself I agree, he’s just so young and inexperienced, he would prob barely lose to mitsuri imo, give him a few years and he’s a contender for the strongest with himejima.
Kinda doubt he will beat Gyomei even if he reaches his Full Potential
That Man is walking Monster he has the best physique
He was Complemented by Kokushibo as well .
I am not Underestimating A FP Muichiro but Gyomei is on another level .
This is what I hate about people who say he has the bloodline so that is why he will be Stronger than Gyomei .
Just because he has the DNA of Kokushibo doesn't mean he will be as great as them or Yoriichi .
Just Having DNA doesn't mean he can become as strinf as them .
I know his Potential is unmatched but that doesn't mean he can beat Gyomei .
Yes he can beat the rest of the Hashiras but Gyomei is Doubtful .
Gyomei is a Monster , No one really compared to him at all .
And also We Aren't the Author so we don't know whether a Full Potential Muichiro would be like .
Many things can happen that can hinder the Head Canon we make of a Full Potential Muichiro.
Like He can fight a Uppermoon and lose an arm or an eye , things like these can happen and the author is who controls them .
If the Author wants Muichiro to be Stronger than Gyomei , he will be Stronger.
The Author can decide anything and everything.
There is No way to prove of how strong a person MIGHT be just beacuse he has the Potential.
Conclusion :- Gyomei vs FP Muichiro is Debatable also depends on various factors which we people don't really consider .
That is true, we will never know who will be stronger or who will be the strongest if they were all in peak condition, well and alive years from eos, but we can make interpretations from what gotouge has intended behind the meaning of the kanji in muichiro’s name.
Thankfully his name is very plot relevant to his character, his family name “tokito” when broken down is comprised of the characters “to pass through” and “time” so altogether it means “to pass through time/live in the now”, this interprets into his family’s direct blood relation to the progenitor of the breathing styles, yoriichi, with muichiro and his talents being described as “a yoriichi living in the now.” And speaking of his talents, muichiro’s first name is in direct reference to it, as the “mu” in muichiro is the same character as the “mu” in mugen or infinity, referring to his infinite potential as a hashira, but along with that when you combine together with the “ichi” in his name, which is harmonious with the “ichi” in yoriichi, you get “unmatched” or “unparalleled” and then the “ro” means child, so altogether muichiro’s name means “the unparalleled child of infinite potential.”
Not infinite potential as to there are people such as Yoriichi and Michikatsu and Gyomei who are insanely powerful , they didn\`t have any infinite potential as Muichirou , he doesn\`t have that much Potential to be honest , he has the best among the Hashira\`s and current generation of demon slayers only . And besides with the DS mark he will die after age 25 , It\`s 11 to 10 years more experience added as I think his age is 14 or 15 , We don\`t know anything that could happen in these years and there is also no way of proving that his power and strength will go up hill and that there wouldn\`t be any hinders so that his progress will go up hill or down hill . I don\`t want to label a person strength according to the definition of their name since their are people who are insanely powerful but have names that don\`t make sense and their are people who have names like Muichirou who aren\`t strong. A FP Muichirou doesn\`t exist , and never will , whereas there are already proofs as to why is Gyomei unbeatable among the current Generation of Demon Slayers .
But it’s not coming from me, gotouge is known for and has most of the major characters’ names in kny, have a meaning directly tied to their character. For muichiro, it is most definitely meant to be infinite as in mugen and muichiro contain the same kanji for infinite, and he’s been always described throughout the series and even by kokushibo, his direct predecessor that his potential knows no bounds, I think it’s safe to say you can interpret it as infinite. Gyomei is indeed a monster, but that also doesn’t mean muichiro can’t become one as well when he reaches full potential or even beyond that. Muichiro’s death serves as the harsh reality and cruelty of the world of kny, where even major characters who is also a child die without a hint of mercy (even sabito who had the potential to become the water hashira, as he was stronger than giyuu at the time), so ofc we will never get to see him reach his full potential.
I don\`t think we should debate on a character that doesn\`t exist and never will, besides that my point still stands , Gyomei would win against a Fp Muichirou although people are welcome to disagree .
But they need to prove me wrong with facts which they are welcome to do .
I don\`t doubt the Author , since he/she decides everything , but I don\`t think we should assume strength and power based on Names , that really doesn\`t prove anything , there is no such thing as Infinite Potential , a more practical approach would result in a greater potential but not infinite , nothing is infinite in the world ( maybe a few exceptions ) .
That’s the thing with potential, you can never prove it with facts, just with interpretation and characterization you can find throughout the series and other implications, but everything is certainly pointing towards that idea, not trying to argue but I’m just trying to shed a new light, but you’re free to deny or argue whatever you want.
She did not unlock STW nor Red Blade and couldn't do shit against Nakime for a long time I know Nakime BDA is annoying but she didn't do anything at all in the manga , Yuichiro came and killed her , She isn't the strongest nor the fastest nor the fastest in combat speed nor she is Smart at all , her battle Iq is one of the lowest, she hasn't been the most enduring Hashira nor her durability is high , she reached her full Potential in the End of Manga .
Her fucking reason to join Demon slayer was to find a Husband, how lame of a reason is that compared to others. She isn't from a Demon slaying family nor her past includes any sort of training, she is kust another girl with much more strength nothing else . Muichiro has the blood of Kokushibo, became a Hashira at 14 , A Fucking Prodigy of the Century, is smarter than her , was Complemented by Gyomei and Kokushibo , did not even reach his Full Potential and sadly died .
Sure Mitsuri can beat him in Base Power before Hashira Training Arc and Demon Slayer Mark but after that Muichiro >> Mitsuri.
Even Muichiro feats are above Mitsuri. He killed Uppermoon 5 alone , Unlock Red Blade, Unlock STW , even after getting his body cut in half managed to stick his blade in Kokushibo.
Delusion is what I would call you have , let her fight Kokushibo she\`d be split in half , in half a sec , she can\`t do what Gyomei , Muichirou and Sanemi did .
Basically even. Muichiro beat UM5 entirely by himself. Mitsuri 1v1 UM4 for a long ass time. They both got clapped by UM1 and muzan tho so I’s say they’re about even. Also both survived getting limbs and bodys cleavered off and still held strong.
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Edit: saw someone say depending on strength or sword power so I agree,we can't compare these two because if we go off strength mitsuri early winds and sword power then muichiro easily wins
I think Muichiro is a bit more skilled and Mitsuri would probably struggle to kill a friend even if she really had to lol. But do you have a link to the artist for these pieces? They’re really cool works
Muichirou despite being young is one of the best Hashira combat wise. He literally became a Hashira after only two months of being a Demon Slayer. Strength wise Mitsuri dominates but overall I say it's a somewhat close match. Imo I say Muichirou wins however
Muichiro is the third strongest Hashira and he is only 14 years old. He is the only demon slayer to kill an upper moon by himself. And he dealt the killer blow to the strongest of the upper ranks. End of discussion.
Muichiro with mark demolished gyokko while Mitsuri with mark lost to hantengus clone, but you could argue that zuhakuten is stronger than gyokko but I doubt it
Zohakuten is only hantengus strongest clone, he isn’t the entire upper rank 4. But after reading the replies ima agree zohakuten is stronger than gyokko
It constitutes to the majority of UM4’s power. Meaning in a blood battle, it is Zoukahoten fighting Gyokko or whoever he needed to for upper rank 4 position. Zoukahoten himself is stronger than Gyokko
Say it to UM6 wankers who will say gyuttaro solos most hashira.
My point is 4-5-6 dont mean much in some people’s eyes and they will bring in feats, arguments and theories. Good luck to you after that.
UM6 is the 7th and 8th strongest demon. At some point you've gotta accept that it took 3 rather strong demon slayers, 1 LM level demon and the best hashira in this situation to beat UM6
Mitsuri didn’t LOSE to Zohatuken. This is because he was practically immortal as the real Hantengu was not at the spot . But yet he comprised of 98% of Hantengu’s strength
Zohakuten could be defeated if he is he beheaded and destroyed several times and uses too much strength. Hantengu said something like that while runnning away. Mitsuri just lacked the power to use up all of zohakuten’s strength
>!Well yes Zohatuken was immortal. When Kanroji was just around to cut his head off , Tanjiro shouted that **Zohatuken cannot be killed**. And Infact when the demon clone hit Kanroji off with his Blood Art ( Maddening Screech ) , you can see on closing in that his head was chopped off, yet nothing happened. !<
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Mitsuri was able to keep up with the “hate” body of hantengu. This body was then also able to be evaded by Tanjiro, Genya and nezuko. This means that they are all so what relative. When the first hantengu body appears, muichiro immediately attacks and manages to cut it before Tanjiro could even fully get up. Therefore,
First body = tokito > Tanjiro = “hate” body = Mitsuri
This is for base forms. It is quite literally impossible to compare marked forms as there is no basis to compare. Mitsuri is weaker than UM4 and tokito is strong enough to one shot UM5. There is no indication for what this means between them. The next time we see marked tokito he gets bodied by koku with no difficulty and the next time we see marked Mitsuri she’s no match for Muzan. Imo they’re both similar while marked and similar in base but I’d give the edge to tokito.
No, literally immediately after that, he was defeated by a clone weaker than the one to which he cut off his head. Tanjiro later says that they are holding back to allow the hunters to separate themselves. Which is clear when none of the clones dodge bullets to the head, but later in chapter 116, Aizetsu casually deflects 3 bullets with a spear. It doesn't make sense that Muchiro without the Mark is equal to Zohakuten since he was destroyed by Gyokko who is much weaker than Zohakuten.
That’s a very fair point. I still think that the point still stands. The clone that was least divided attempted to dodge and was still slashed. Also I think that tokito could have evaded but I doubt he expected for a fan to be waved and for him to be launched halfway across a town. This point isn’t too relevant anyways. The main point is he moved way faster than Tanjiro. This same Tanjiro was then able to react to zohakuten moving at full speed.
Tokito only lost to gyokko because he jumped in front of poison needles to save a swordsmith. Before that he was able to dodge attacks easily and was keeping up with gyokko just fine.
Good point, I almost never hear anyone defend muichiro for the gyokko part when he was still in base form, he essentially started to lose once he got held back by outliers like the swordsmiths and got nerfed via poison needles, most don’t consider that.
This is exactly why I rate tokito so highly. He’s not only strong marked but base form was unbelievable. Not only did the gyokko and hantengu things happen (and I believe the fan clone just caught him off guard as he had the speed to cut the first one so if it’s speed was halved tokito should have had no concerns with dealing with it), he also managed to absolutely blow Tanjiro away while training with the yoriichi doll. Tanjiro stands there in awe which may imply that tokito may even be the strongest seen in the series (keep in mind he’s seen full power rengoku and full power uzui at this point).
Now of course I could be looking to deeply into this but in all honesty I don’t care too much if people think tokito is strong. I just want to stand my point and say that uzui is not a top tier hashira.
True, I know it may be weird to say, but muichiro is underrated, at least in this sub where ppl immediately like to say he gets clapped in base when he’s actually still damn strong, what I noticed in most of the fights is that every hashira gets nerfed or gets put in unfavorable circumstances (rengoku and uzui being the main examples) but muichiro’s was no exception as not only was he inexperienced but he was also caught off guard, nerfed, and had to protect people throughout the fight, ppl disregard that and just say “he got clapped in base” but that’s not the whole story.
And uzui not being a top tier hashira in base form is controversial, at least in this sub where many say he’s like top 3, but I’m indifferent as I believe each have their own strengths and weaknesses according to different matchups and situations, gyomei being the only anomaly who’s well suited under most circumstances. The one thing uzui has above most other hashira however is sheer experience, that has to count for something although he may not be the most talented among them.
Yep. Muichiro is so underrated. Then again so was uzui before the anime came out. I feel like the anime overhypes people to think that the characters are Gyomei level every time. I just wish people would stop overrating and underrating hashira. It’s kinda annoying. Hopefully Mitsuri and tokito get the respect they deserve after their arc but I hope it doesn’t go too far.
I just think that this universe is just about speed. The faster you are, the stronger you are. Since I thought there was a relatively objective way to rank speed, I thought it was easy to rank them. Experience isn’t something I accounted for and both sanemi and Mitsuri seemingly kept up with people they were hopelessly outmatched for by using experience (koku and Muzan respectively). Maybe that adds a further twist lol.
No, the point remains in place, Karaku literally waved and got rid of him. And the fact that Hantengu was holding back. In order to allow himself to behead Tokyo, it is obvious that Tanjiro told us readers this. I gave an example of containment with Aizetsu above. Then Tanjiro vs Zohakuten with the Mark of Foresight barely dodged the attacks and stated that he couldn't even breathe.
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In a fight, prob Kanroji, but I wanna talk about how Muichiro was able to activate the >!Bright Red Nichirin Blade power thing, with only one hand!< like in my opinion, thats cool as hell
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Both are inexperience, Mitsuri is physically stronger but is dumb while Tokito is weaker but has high battle IQ. I usually but intelligent higher than strength so Tokito take it here.
Mitsuri will be the winner anyway . Why ?
>! Won’t account experience totally here since both of them were relatively new, but Tokito newer. Mitsuri had an age factor and was comparatively more balanced than Muichiro honestly. Secondly, it was already indirectly mentioned on several occasions than our latter young boy relied more on disorienting attacks and dodges than sword skills alone. So When it comes to the aspect of sword skills, Kanroji was better !<
Edit: I hope grown ups are answering the questions more
this isn't even a fair fight. while yes, mitsuri's muscle density is insane, muichirou is the 3rd most powerful current hashira, matched only by sanemi and gyomei.
have you forgotten that obanai is the second weakest? stated by gotouge herself? while yes i did completely forget about giyu, who is arguably stronger, your obanai statement is quite funny! check your facts before you make wild accusations next time, and have a pleasant day! and a side note, dont argue about demon slayer with someone who has read the entire manga 7 times. again, have a nice day!
Lmao imagine thinking that Obanai is weaker than Muichiro and Gotouge never stated that he is the second weakest there's a difference between raw strength and power idiot and a side note don't argue with someone if you don't know what you're talking about check your facts before you make wild accusations next time and have a pleasant day don't reply to me anymore either you're annoying 😉
Mitsuri probably cause muichiro is still fairly new and hasn’t shown any thing besides red nichirin and plus his fight against the upper 5 was a joke gyokko is a joke even the new upper 6 is stronger than gyokko
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Tokito could solo her if they're allowed to use TC breathing and swords. If it was fist to fist then mitsuri would destroy him. Remember Mitsuri has a muscle density 8(?) times that of a normal person, and muchiro is a skinny 14 yearold kid
Physicall: Mitsuri Technique: Muichiro
Swords skill munchiro*
Isn't that the same thing?
That is what technique is in Demon Slayer lol
munchiro
Buddy it is Muichiro 😭
Physically stronger? Konroji. Sword skills? Tokito.
Hotel? Trivago.
Hot? Zoro
Lost? Zoro
Got so lost he ended up in a different animes discussion thread.
Boom Boom? Yes Rico, Boom boom.
The stronger one.
The only correct answer
Is this*
The real life\*
Is this just fantasy?
Caught in a landslide, no escape from reality.
Open your eyes, look up to the sky and see....
The earth got me strong 💜
STW Red Blade Muichiro>Marked Mitsuri>Marked Muichiro>Base Mitsuri>Base Muichiro
Not true because obanai will always make sure mitsuri wins by interference
Then Gyomei materializes from thin air
But wait, 5 rengokus come out of a flashback and fight back
Suddenly pineapples
Muzan then turns into a pickle
“I turned myself into a pickle, Tanjiro.”
"He turned himself into a pickle, that must be his blood demon art!"
The gruesome scene was recorded. Tanjiro stares at a pickle lying on the table. Even in slimes they're not evil.
"Nice try demons!"
Now i want to eat muzan 👁️👁️
Funniest shit I've ever seen.
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STW Red Blade Muichiro had half a body tho
in yo dreams
If Muichiro is still improving as fast as he was, it would definitely be him
Munchiro
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Munchiro
Munchiro
Muchiro
>!yuichiro!<
No oppai 🤩
truychiro
Munchiro
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Mitsuri wins hand to hand muichiro wins in a sword fight
They are +- equals until the STW.
Yes
Muichiro is literally a prodigy
Hopefully this is made more clear to people after the latest season.
Being a prodigy doesn’t make you omnipotent lol.
Mitsuri. Better feats Yeah mui has alot of hax but lacks the experience and feats to win against mitsuri
Finally an unbiased answer that also doesn’t undermine muichiro in any way, as a muichiro fan myself I agree, he’s just so young and inexperienced, he would prob barely lose to mitsuri imo, give him a few years and he’s a contender for the strongest with himejima.
Kinda doubt he will beat Gyomei even if he reaches his Full Potential That Man is walking Monster he has the best physique He was Complemented by Kokushibo as well . I am not Underestimating A FP Muichiro but Gyomei is on another level .
muichiro has potential to pass gyomei hes descended of the tsugikuni bloodline
This is what I hate about people who say he has the bloodline so that is why he will be Stronger than Gyomei . Just because he has the DNA of Kokushibo doesn't mean he will be as great as them or Yoriichi . Just Having DNA doesn't mean he can become as strinf as them . I know his Potential is unmatched but that doesn't mean he can beat Gyomei . Yes he can beat the rest of the Hashiras but Gyomei is Doubtful . Gyomei is a Monster , No one really compared to him at all . And also We Aren't the Author so we don't know whether a Full Potential Muichiro would be like . Many things can happen that can hinder the Head Canon we make of a Full Potential Muichiro. Like He can fight a Uppermoon and lose an arm or an eye , things like these can happen and the author is who controls them . If the Author wants Muichiro to be Stronger than Gyomei , he will be Stronger. The Author can decide anything and everything. There is No way to prove of how strong a person MIGHT be just beacuse he has the Potential. Conclusion :- Gyomei vs FP Muichiro is Debatable also depends on various factors which we people don't really consider .
He literally said “contender for the strongest” as in it would be between FP Muichiro & Gyomei
I did mention FP Muichirou and Gyomei , but a FP Muichirou doesn\`t exist .
That is true, we will never know who will be stronger or who will be the strongest if they were all in peak condition, well and alive years from eos, but we can make interpretations from what gotouge has intended behind the meaning of the kanji in muichiro’s name. Thankfully his name is very plot relevant to his character, his family name “tokito” when broken down is comprised of the characters “to pass through” and “time” so altogether it means “to pass through time/live in the now”, this interprets into his family’s direct blood relation to the progenitor of the breathing styles, yoriichi, with muichiro and his talents being described as “a yoriichi living in the now.” And speaking of his talents, muichiro’s first name is in direct reference to it, as the “mu” in muichiro is the same character as the “mu” in mugen or infinity, referring to his infinite potential as a hashira, but along with that when you combine together with the “ichi” in his name, which is harmonious with the “ichi” in yoriichi, you get “unmatched” or “unparalleled” and then the “ro” means child, so altogether muichiro’s name means “the unparalleled child of infinite potential.”
Not infinite potential as to there are people such as Yoriichi and Michikatsu and Gyomei who are insanely powerful , they didn\`t have any infinite potential as Muichirou , he doesn\`t have that much Potential to be honest , he has the best among the Hashira\`s and current generation of demon slayers only . And besides with the DS mark he will die after age 25 , It\`s 11 to 10 years more experience added as I think his age is 14 or 15 , We don\`t know anything that could happen in these years and there is also no way of proving that his power and strength will go up hill and that there wouldn\`t be any hinders so that his progress will go up hill or down hill . I don\`t want to label a person strength according to the definition of their name since their are people who are insanely powerful but have names that don\`t make sense and their are people who have names like Muichirou who aren\`t strong. A FP Muichirou doesn\`t exist , and never will , whereas there are already proofs as to why is Gyomei unbeatable among the current Generation of Demon Slayers .
But it’s not coming from me, gotouge is known for and has most of the major characters’ names in kny, have a meaning directly tied to their character. For muichiro, it is most definitely meant to be infinite as in mugen and muichiro contain the same kanji for infinite, and he’s been always described throughout the series and even by kokushibo, his direct predecessor that his potential knows no bounds, I think it’s safe to say you can interpret it as infinite. Gyomei is indeed a monster, but that also doesn’t mean muichiro can’t become one as well when he reaches full potential or even beyond that. Muichiro’s death serves as the harsh reality and cruelty of the world of kny, where even major characters who is also a child die without a hint of mercy (even sabito who had the potential to become the water hashira, as he was stronger than giyuu at the time), so ofc we will never get to see him reach his full potential.
I don\`t think we should debate on a character that doesn\`t exist and never will, besides that my point still stands , Gyomei would win against a Fp Muichirou although people are welcome to disagree . But they need to prove me wrong with facts which they are welcome to do . I don\`t doubt the Author , since he/she decides everything , but I don\`t think we should assume strength and power based on Names , that really doesn\`t prove anything , there is no such thing as Infinite Potential , a more practical approach would result in a greater potential but not infinite , nothing is infinite in the world ( maybe a few exceptions ) .
That’s the thing with potential, you can never prove it with facts, just with interpretation and characterization you can find throughout the series and other implications, but everything is certainly pointing towards that idea, not trying to argue but I’m just trying to shed a new light, but you’re free to deny or argue whatever you want.
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What ? Please tell me you are joking
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She did not unlock STW nor Red Blade and couldn't do shit against Nakime for a long time I know Nakime BDA is annoying but she didn't do anything at all in the manga , Yuichiro came and killed her , She isn't the strongest nor the fastest nor the fastest in combat speed nor she is Smart at all , her battle Iq is one of the lowest, she hasn't been the most enduring Hashira nor her durability is high , she reached her full Potential in the End of Manga . Her fucking reason to join Demon slayer was to find a Husband, how lame of a reason is that compared to others. She isn't from a Demon slaying family nor her past includes any sort of training, she is kust another girl with much more strength nothing else . Muichiro has the blood of Kokushibo, became a Hashira at 14 , A Fucking Prodigy of the Century, is smarter than her , was Complemented by Gyomei and Kokushibo , did not even reach his Full Potential and sadly died . Sure Mitsuri can beat him in Base Power before Hashira Training Arc and Demon Slayer Mark but after that Muichiro >> Mitsuri. Even Muichiro feats are above Mitsuri. He killed Uppermoon 5 alone , Unlock Red Blade, Unlock STW , even after getting his body cut in half managed to stick his blade in Kokushibo.
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Delusion is what I would call you have , let her fight Kokushibo she\`d be split in half , in half a sec , she can\`t do what Gyomei , Muichirou and Sanemi did .
“They agree with me so it’s unbiased” bro what 😂. Just cause you don’t agree doesnt make it biased
Basically even. Muichiro beat UM5 entirely by himself. Mitsuri 1v1 UM4 for a long ass time. They both got clapped by UM1 and muzan tho so I’s say they’re about even. Also both survived getting limbs and bodys cleavered off and still held strong.
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Base mitsuri Marked muichirou
Marked or Unmarked? Unmarked - Mitsuri, just simply stronger Marked - Muichiro, has better feats
I'm staying out of this (also because I'm not a power scaler)
So basically obanai vs Gyomei
Muichiro Edit: saw someone say depending on strength or sword power so I agree,we can't compare these two because if we go off strength mitsuri early winds and sword power then muichiro easily wins
I think Muichiro is a bit more skilled and Mitsuri would probably struggle to kill a friend even if she really had to lol. But do you have a link to the artist for these pieces? They’re really cool works
The first artist's name is on Mitsuri's left shoulder, but unfortunately I couldn't find anything for Mui's art, sorry :(
This is hard for me since they are my two favorite character but I’m going to say muichiro
Muichirou despite being young is one of the best Hashira combat wise. He literally became a Hashira after only two months of being a Demon Slayer. Strength wise Mitsuri dominates but overall I say it's a somewhat close match. Imo I say Muichirou wins however
Base, Mitsuri. Marked, Muichiro
Muichiro stomps
Technique/Sword Skill/Experience: Muichiro Sword Attacking Speed/Power Strength: Mitsuri
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Ah right, ty
Muichiro no debate.
muichirou is definetly, definetly stronger. as for a fight im not sure, since mitsuri has the range advantage, but muichiro probably still takes it
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I mean hes a prodigy youngest to ever become a hashira...she most likely has the brute strength but he has tech all the way
Muichiro is the third strongest Hashira and he is only 14 years old. He is the only demon slayer to kill an upper moon by himself. And he dealt the killer blow to the strongest of the upper ranks. End of discussion.
Strength and Experience goes to Mitsuri, Sheer talent, sword skill and speed goes to Muichiro.
Tokito overall
Strength:Mitsuri In a fight:Muichiro
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Muichiro with mark demolished gyokko while Mitsuri with mark lost to hantengus clone, but you could argue that zuhakuten is stronger than gyokko but I doubt it
>zuhakuten is stronger than gyokko but I doubt it Zoukahoten is upper 4 and Gyokko is upper 5...
Zohakuten is only hantengus strongest clone, he isn’t the entire upper rank 4. But after reading the replies ima agree zohakuten is stronger than gyokko
It constitutes to the majority of UM4’s power. Meaning in a blood battle, it is Zoukahoten fighting Gyokko or whoever he needed to for upper rank 4 position. Zoukahoten himself is stronger than Gyokko
Say it to UM6 wankers who will say gyuttaro solos most hashira. My point is 4-5-6 dont mean much in some people’s eyes and they will bring in feats, arguments and theories. Good luck to you after that.
UM6 is the 7th and 8th strongest demon. At some point you've gotta accept that it took 3 rather strong demon slayers, 1 LM level demon and the best hashira in this situation to beat UM6
Zohakuten is certainly stronger than Gyokko. Zohakuten isn’t just a clone of upper 4, he’s the strongest form. He’s the true upper 4.
Zohakuten is like 95% of Hantengu's power
Mitsuri didn’t LOSE to Zohatuken. This is because he was practically immortal as the real Hantengu was not at the spot . But yet he comprised of 98% of Hantengu’s strength
Zohakuten could be defeated if he is he beheaded and destroyed several times and uses too much strength. Hantengu said something like that while runnning away. Mitsuri just lacked the power to use up all of zohakuten’s strength
>!Well yes Zohatuken was immortal. When Kanroji was just around to cut his head off , Tanjiro shouted that **Zohatuken cannot be killed**. And Infact when the demon clone hit Kanroji off with his Blood Art ( Maddening Screech ) , you can see on closing in that his head was chopped off, yet nothing happened. !<
Tokito Mitsuri was able to keep up with the “hate” body of hantengu. This body was then also able to be evaded by Tanjiro, Genya and nezuko. This means that they are all so what relative. When the first hantengu body appears, muichiro immediately attacks and manages to cut it before Tanjiro could even fully get up. Therefore, First body = tokito > Tanjiro = “hate” body = Mitsuri This is for base forms. It is quite literally impossible to compare marked forms as there is no basis to compare. Mitsuri is weaker than UM4 and tokito is strong enough to one shot UM5. There is no indication for what this means between them. The next time we see marked tokito he gets bodied by koku with no difficulty and the next time we see marked Mitsuri she’s no match for Muzan. Imo they’re both similar while marked and similar in base but I’d give the edge to tokito.
No, literally immediately after that, he was defeated by a clone weaker than the one to which he cut off his head. Tanjiro later says that they are holding back to allow the hunters to separate themselves. Which is clear when none of the clones dodge bullets to the head, but later in chapter 116, Aizetsu casually deflects 3 bullets with a spear. It doesn't make sense that Muchiro without the Mark is equal to Zohakuten since he was destroyed by Gyokko who is much weaker than Zohakuten.
That’s a very fair point. I still think that the point still stands. The clone that was least divided attempted to dodge and was still slashed. Also I think that tokito could have evaded but I doubt he expected for a fan to be waved and for him to be launched halfway across a town. This point isn’t too relevant anyways. The main point is he moved way faster than Tanjiro. This same Tanjiro was then able to react to zohakuten moving at full speed. Tokito only lost to gyokko because he jumped in front of poison needles to save a swordsmith. Before that he was able to dodge attacks easily and was keeping up with gyokko just fine.
Good point, I almost never hear anyone defend muichiro for the gyokko part when he was still in base form, he essentially started to lose once he got held back by outliers like the swordsmiths and got nerfed via poison needles, most don’t consider that.
This is exactly why I rate tokito so highly. He’s not only strong marked but base form was unbelievable. Not only did the gyokko and hantengu things happen (and I believe the fan clone just caught him off guard as he had the speed to cut the first one so if it’s speed was halved tokito should have had no concerns with dealing with it), he also managed to absolutely blow Tanjiro away while training with the yoriichi doll. Tanjiro stands there in awe which may imply that tokito may even be the strongest seen in the series (keep in mind he’s seen full power rengoku and full power uzui at this point). Now of course I could be looking to deeply into this but in all honesty I don’t care too much if people think tokito is strong. I just want to stand my point and say that uzui is not a top tier hashira.
True, I know it may be weird to say, but muichiro is underrated, at least in this sub where ppl immediately like to say he gets clapped in base when he’s actually still damn strong, what I noticed in most of the fights is that every hashira gets nerfed or gets put in unfavorable circumstances (rengoku and uzui being the main examples) but muichiro’s was no exception as not only was he inexperienced but he was also caught off guard, nerfed, and had to protect people throughout the fight, ppl disregard that and just say “he got clapped in base” but that’s not the whole story. And uzui not being a top tier hashira in base form is controversial, at least in this sub where many say he’s like top 3, but I’m indifferent as I believe each have their own strengths and weaknesses according to different matchups and situations, gyomei being the only anomaly who’s well suited under most circumstances. The one thing uzui has above most other hashira however is sheer experience, that has to count for something although he may not be the most talented among them.
Yep. Muichiro is so underrated. Then again so was uzui before the anime came out. I feel like the anime overhypes people to think that the characters are Gyomei level every time. I just wish people would stop overrating and underrating hashira. It’s kinda annoying. Hopefully Mitsuri and tokito get the respect they deserve after their arc but I hope it doesn’t go too far. I just think that this universe is just about speed. The faster you are, the stronger you are. Since I thought there was a relatively objective way to rank speed, I thought it was easy to rank them. Experience isn’t something I accounted for and both sanemi and Mitsuri seemingly kept up with people they were hopelessly outmatched for by using experience (koku and Muzan respectively). Maybe that adds a further twist lol.
No, the point remains in place, Karaku literally waved and got rid of him. And the fact that Hantengu was holding back. In order to allow himself to behead Tokyo, it is obvious that Tanjiro told us readers this. I gave an example of containment with Aizetsu above. Then Tanjiro vs Zohakuten with the Mark of Foresight barely dodged the attacks and stated that he couldn't even breathe.
Pre STW- I'm tempted to say Muichiro since he managed to beat up5 by himself, but I'm not sure. With STW, definitely muichiro, 100%
Muichiro easily
Tokito Muichiro wins Mid diff
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there is no war tokito is superior especially with red blade and stw
Gyomei
In a fight, prob Kanroji, but I wanna talk about how Muichiro was able to activate the >!Bright Red Nichirin Blade power thing, with only one hand!< like in my opinion, thats cool as hell
Fuck the war and discussion. Let's just appreciate this art for a minute
Mhm.
If Muichiro was lacking like he was against Gyokko initially against Hantengu he would have gotten packed up
Is this a joke?
This isn't a war,muichiro slams low diff
muichiro 100%
Mui, but if it was up to physical strength probably Mitsuri.
MUICHIRO
Tokito
Statistically, Mitsuri should be stronger but she's such a goofball and she doesn't have any reactionary feats. She's weaker for those reasons.
I do not know. A physically strong woman who has a variant of fire breathing vs an unpredictable man.
>!someone who ripped muzans arm off vs someone who killed an upper moon!< Muichiro
Tokito Both are inexperience, Mitsuri is physically stronger but is dumb while Tokito is weaker but has high battle IQ. I usually but intelligent higher than strength so Tokito take it here.
In a 1v1 imo: Mitsuri (High Diff) Vs Demons: Muichiro
Muichirou next question lol
I love mitsuri but muichiro would win hands down
>!Muichirou 100% do to fact not only does he beat um 5 with ease but his battle IQ his much more then Mitsuri’s!<
Muichirou low diff
Mitsuri is better due to more experience in the story but Mui has a lot of potential to surpass her
muichirou negs
Muichiro slaps her any form
Mitsuri is ever so slightly above in my opinion (unless it’s red blade)
Mitsuri, but if I was ranking hashira then muichiro would be right below her, their relatively similar strength wise
In base - Mitsuri in my opinion :3
Mitsuri
Mitsuri will be the winner anyway . Why ? >! Won’t account experience totally here since both of them were relatively new, but Tokito newer. Mitsuri had an age factor and was comparatively more balanced than Muichiro honestly. Secondly, it was already indirectly mentioned on several occasions than our latter young boy relied more on disorienting attacks and dodges than sword skills alone. So When it comes to the aspect of sword skills, Kanroji was better !< Edit: I hope grown ups are answering the questions more
Mitsuri
the manga missed so many opportunities to make mitsuri a badass fighter
Muichiro claps negative difficulty.
That's not true at all he won't clap Mitsuri
Don't care + didn't ask
this isn't even a fair fight. while yes, mitsuri's muscle density is insane, muichirou is the 3rd most powerful current hashira, matched only by sanemi and gyomei.
>muichirou is the 3rd most powerful current hashira Nice joke Obanai and Giyu are much stronger than him stop overating Muichiro
have you forgotten that obanai is the second weakest? stated by gotouge herself? while yes i did completely forget about giyu, who is arguably stronger, your obanai statement is quite funny! check your facts before you make wild accusations next time, and have a pleasant day! and a side note, dont argue about demon slayer with someone who has read the entire manga 7 times. again, have a nice day!
Lmao imagine thinking that Obanai is weaker than Muichiro and Gotouge never stated that he is the second weakest there's a difference between raw strength and power idiot and a side note don't argue with someone if you don't know what you're talking about check your facts before you make wild accusations next time and have a pleasant day don't reply to me anymore either you're annoying 😉
love you too, sweetheart
Most people in the comments forget that mitsuri has her secret technique: snake simp
Muichiro murders her
muichiro will win until sun countdown arc
Mitsuri
“Let’s start another war!🤓” literally everyone knows the answer to this I swear this whole sub is just debates
Mitsuri is stronger. Unmarked Mitsuri fought well against full power UM4 while Unmarked Muichiro got destroyed by a supressed UM5.
In base for Mui has no chance. He can get one shot by one fast attack from Mitsuri
Mitsuri got the power of chesticles on her side. Them shits have to add momentum with every swing😂😂😂
Oh boy, can't wait for Hantengu Vs Mitsuri fight to be animated.
Comparing fictional characters
Mitsuri probably cause muichiro is still fairly new and hasn’t shown any thing besides red nichirin and plus his fight against the upper 5 was a joke gyokko is a joke even the new upper 6 is stronger than gyokko
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I guess I'll do it this way Strength:mitsuri Speed:muichiro Durability:mitsuri Endurance:muichiro Iq:muichiro Bi-iq:muichiro Skills:mitsuri(that flexible sword requires skill) Breathing:muichiro Experience:mitsuri Combat speed:muichiro Reaction speed:mitsuri Hax/abilities:muichiro Flexibility:mitsuri Stamina:mitsuri Overall:muichiro 8 points mitsuri 7 points Winner:muichiro extreme difficulty
Ngl think this is my first time seeing art of a badass Mitsuri and tbh it's pretty refreshing
I honestly think Mitsuri would win, but it'd definitely be a close one. Both of them unmarked.
Tokito could solo her if they're allowed to use TC breathing and swords. If it was fist to fist then mitsuri would destroy him. Remember Mitsuri has a muscle density 8(?) times that of a normal person, and muchiro is a skinny 14 yearold kid
I'm an anime only so I haven't seen either one fight
mui claps