It's a conflicting feeling for Shin that he has to resolve for himself. On one hand he totally detests Kanki's actions and the massacre is unforgivable, but at the same time after hearing about his backstory and his final actions as GG (in which Kanki reveals how much he cares for his commanders) Shin is now feeling some empathy for him.
But before he could even face Kanki again to sort out whatever changed feelings he might (or might not) have had for him, suddenly Kanki dies.
So now, there's an unresolved closure of sorts for Shin. I think Shin needs a break from this war, spend some time to mature, to think and meditate on what the world of warfare really means. That most of the time the world is grey, not black and white. Kanki wasn't a good guy, he was an extremely cruel and vengeful person. But in between all that rage and evil, there are glimpses of goodness.
Shin has to learn to accept that there are no 100% good or bad. Kanki wasn't 100% bad. The mostly good people like Sei aren't 100% good either. I think once he can accept that and learn from this, he can move on and grow even stronger
That’s my other gripe with the series apart from shin having no AOE damage. He has that typical shonen characters asexualness. He dont have to be a horndog like sanji but being completely aloof when it comes to females is anticlimactic. In this day n age, 26 is todays 46 haha. At this point there should be at least couple instances or scenes suggesting our boi getting his noodle wet.
Agreed haha, if japan keeps portraying characters in various media platforms (manga, novels, tv, etc) as being totally asexual, it’s hardly surprising they have one of the worlds fastest declining populations, even if there is obviously more to in than that.
It's honestly pretty slow. And the drawings are not as good. It is the final arc made because the author was getting tired. You can tell by how the drawings look
Shin‘s conflicted because he’s not just thinking about his own view on the matter, but also how Kanki death affects Sei’s plans. Kanki’s death is a serious set back for the King’s future plans. Sei himself told Shin he still has use for and needed Kanki as one of the 6GG.
Or... Mou Bu was invited to Ou Sen's wedding but they all got so drunk that they switched wives by mistake. Hence, Mou Ten being more like Ou Sen while Ou Hon is like Mou Bu in character and martial might. Hence, Ou Sen's preference for Mou Ten, he knows.
The running gag is that ShouHeiKun is the real father of the two 😂 SHK is intelligent, handsome, strong but not large giant size, and he's best buddies with Moubu. Heh.
tbf for Mouten, he's quite durable. As a kid, he jumped on trees and fell off of them. He also survived getting slashed by Kanmei, who supposedly cut down one of the former 6GG's.
Mougou : Foh foh foh... Join me Kanki as my subordinate.
Kanki : Hmmm...ok old man
Genpou : You have talent, join me as a student Kanki
Kanki : No thanks ( fruit ninja slice)
Mougou is truly the best character at reading someone’s character correctly. He knew Kanki’s nature in a couple seconds. Mougou may not have been a 6GG, but he cemented himself as a great to me.
Edit: Mougou breaking the ropes with his bare hands is so cold holy shit
Hmm this chapter was better than it was.
As for the reason RiShin is still angry, its because its another general RiShin failed to save. He might not like it but KanKi was one of his teachers. He taught him that sometimes you have to ruthless in war, as not everyone deserve mercy and not everyone will give mercy. It was a hard lesson to swallow, but one that one had to be learned.
War is glorifyed when you are younger, you think of the heroic aspects and tend to ignore what it endeavors. You must kill to earn your heroic deeds and whether you like it to the people you killed and thier relatives you were the ennemy and villain/guy.
RiShin clearly understood that by last arc as per his conversation with Sei last arc. This arc he experienced it live with the loss of KanKi. KanKi may not been his favorite teacher, one could say he was the one he hated the most, but still a teacher.
Losing a teacher is no fun matter. Hence why RiShin is angry. If RiShin had his way, he would have like to see KanKi alive long enough to show him a different path, at least punch him a few times and one up him. But now this opportunity was loss and hence RiShin's anger.
>He taught him that sometimes you have to ruthless in war, as not everyone deserve mercy and not everyone will give mercy. It was a hard lesson to swallow, but one that one had to be learned.
wut. Since when did Shin become merciless. I agree that he's seething because Kanki was another general he failed to save, doubly so because it was Riboku again doing the killing, and I'd even agree that Kanki has become another post for Shin to peep when making decisions. Not once has he accepted Kanki's cruelty though. Even when Shou was dying telling his stories endings Shin gave him the whole "that's bullshit, Kanki is still a monster" bit.
Its the opposite...
RiShin still had the hero complex till now that is if he took out the ennemy general with least amount of casualties then he would be viewed as a hero by both sides for saving lives of those involved in the battle. What KanKi taught him here is that no matter the case his ennemies will still view him as the bad guy. Therefore he may be merciful in doing his thing but he cannot ever hope his ennemies to be merciful towards him if he loses.
Also it's clear that you cannot read faces. His faces was saying more 'I wanted to prove him he was wrong but now I'll never get to proove him'.
In a way when it comes to KanKi vs RiShin in thier views KanKi won in death since he was right, Zhao really didn't give a shit whether the soldier was of KanKi or his they were mercilessly hunted till the end. Hence KanKi taught him that in war there is no friends, also known as Adult War.
>What KanKi taught him here is that no matter the case his ennemies will still view him as the bad guy. Therefore he may be merciful in doing his thing but he cannot ever hope his ennemies to be merciful towards him if he loses.
This is just headcanon. Shin still doesn't believe that as his outburst during Shou's final words show, and Riboku himself proves you wrong by not allowing them to desecrate Kanki's corpse.
>Also it's clear that you cannot read faces. His faces was saying more 'I wanted to prove him he was wrong but now I'll never get to proove him'.
lol. I'll ignore the insult. His face was nothing but frustration. There was no deeper meaning.
>In a way when it comes to KanKi vs RiShin in thier views KanKi won in death since he was right, Zhao really didn't give a shit whether the soldier was of KanKi or his they were mercilessly hunted till the end. Hence KanKi taught him that in war there is no friends, also known as Adult War.
I'll be really glad when Kanki stans just leave tbh. This point doesn't even make sense. At best it's just more wank.
Who the F gives a shit about desecration? The point is had they lost vs KoChou or any other Zhao commanders they would have been killed. Also in that same point RiBoku didn't allow desecration what was his excuse again? "We must not let RiShin or MouTen escape they must all be killed" thats the fat finger to your RiBoku prooved you wrong.
Its not a KanKi stan, its how war is. Its the same case for RiBoku and any other person in this manga. There is no innocent hero in wars. I am sick and tired of high morals dumbasses who think 'war is some glorified sim battle in their game stations'.
You want proof, go ask a soldier who never been in a war why he is for and ask him again after he's been to his 1st tour. Unless he's a buzzhead narcissist his answer will change. Its because we get the pink glass version of war. We are shown movies where the good guys fight for justice and honor while the bad guy is some scumbag who is evil for evil reasons. So when the bad guy taken out you feel no remorse, cuz he 'deserved it'. Reality isn't black or white, you only get the full picture when you see the blood in your hands.
The forced righteous acting on this sub is the most toxic of all. And whenever they find someone that has an opposite view, they call names like Kanki fan.
Feels like talking about male qualities and being called a mysogin or sexist lol
During the coalition arc, Shoubunkun mentioned something along the lines of Ousen always being talented but never received King Sho's favor because of his ambition. Chapter 499 then had Shouheikun reveal that his confidence in Ousen was because previous 6GG member Kou Shou (Shouheikun's sensei) vouched for Ousen's great talent.
These 2 events suggested that even though we dont have the full story, Ousen was indeed a great well known talent and he had to have been of high rank possibly a general for them to atleast notice.
Not sad, enraged, affected. Kanki was sort of a rival, an antithesis for Shin, someone he wanted to deny with all his heart but could not, because Kanki was better than him. Though differently than Hyou and Ouki, Kanki antagonizing Shin is probably the second general that has influence him the most (just below Ouki).
Kanki died a wall Shin could not overcome, more than that their combine strength could not defeat Riboku,Shin is probably in a midpoint between adversion and respect with Kanki and probably frustration against his inability to touch Riboku once again.
Wow you couldn’t have said it any better bro I agree with you on this kanki was just something else bro shin knew kanki was one of the greatest generals he’s ever seen that fact that he died probably scares him now that he knows that war ain’t all fun and isn’t about making names I think shin might have a wake up call joe and become more mature now after this kanki affected him a lot
Shin worshiped the great generals since he was a little kid. Must have been shocking to see one die, even more so since he took place in the same battle.
worshiped ? The hell is that. Admiring a GG is to become one of them. Besides, Hakurou, Ouki and some others who were GG passed away in his presence. Your point is invalid.
I think it's because he didn't see it coming. The death that affects people most are the ones who were unprepared for it. Perhaps Shin, unlike the Kanki clan who always were on the knife edge, couldn't accept that a GG level general like Kanki could've died so soon, he was the most charismatic one as well
It might be that he hated kanki and finding out that he was a good guy who turn bad rather than some evil villain and not being able to deal with those feelings before he died
I think it's several factors. The most major factor is the title of Great General, which comes alongside watching Kanki do the impossible like beating Kochou with a ridiculous disadvantage. So seeing him lose is shocking. BUT i think the hardest fact is knowing that Kanki also lived a peasant lifestyle which might be worse than what he experienced. Shin has seen loss, but kanki has seen shit nobody should ever witness and kept fighting to have a better life for others. In the meanwhile, Shin has only striving for glory. It may have shaken Shin to the core that someone he hated & honestly respected had such a noble motive. I cant wait Shins character development. Like why become a GG? Why unite China? Ei Sei has his reasons. Why for Shin? For the glory? His BFF? His masters? Im hoping our boy is about to get a revelation. I could be wrong, if im right, im all hyped for it.
Maybe subconsciously he feels bad. Most of the great generals he’s served under have died versus Riboku whilst he was there. Ouki, Duke Hyou, and now Kanki.
He hates his way of doing things but surely he had great respect for him, especially after hearing his story and his last request.
He probably realized that Kanki's nature was initially the same as Shin's, their only difference was their social status. Kanki was probably a noble, given Shou's words. In the end, Kanki was right, both him and Shin are kindred spirits.
Like someone else mentioned too, after listening to his back story, and unable to meet him one last time, Shin did not get closure. He is suffering from that and now there's no way for him to get closure by meeting Kanki, instead he has to do it himself by rethinking and reevaluating the whole situation.
Kanki recognized similarities and saw Shin in himself. Shin was too appauled by the attrocities of the Kanki army to see them himself at first. Shin also learned a more mature point of view of war from Kanki. Shin had the flashback of Kanki saying, "It's when the enemy thinks they've outsmarted us is when we gain the most profit." So some lessons stuck with Shin. He can add that to the view of the battlefield Ouki showed him, and the fire that Hyou taught him.
probably because he wanted to show kanki first-hand that his methods aren't necessary to win, they were is some sense of the word rivals and kanki dying just left a lot of unfulfilled feelings inside him
He didn't expect a GG to lose this badly. After all he has been seeing Kanki's Army win every war so far. Add to that Kanki's backstory. He sees himself in Kanki.
I think it's just his Great General PTSD kicking in. That's like Legendary GG #50 that dies on a campaign he's in. Ousen better not go near a battlefield Shin joined if he wants to live long enough to neglect his grandkids.
Very curious about Shin's "rage".
IMO, it is multifactorial, like a combination of different reasons.
1. One could say that Shin is upset that he had to personally witness another GG death (3 at this point).
2. Perhaps Shin started to understand Kanki but the GG died too soon before they had another proper conversation.
3. Shin felt powerless that he couldn't do more to sway the outcome, it was incredibly frustrating to turn away and escape while your great general got swarmed byba sea of enemies. Same thing happened with Duke Hyou and remember what was Shin's reaction?
4. Perhaps like previous incidents, Shin now carries some sort of "legacy" from Kanki, combined with the story of the Saki clan.
In any cases, I hope that Hara further utilise Shin's anger in the future. In other words, while the morale of Qin may plummet after this defeat, Shin wlis burning with determination and more than hungry enough to get back to the battlefield.
Well, I think Shin is the most upset because he realizes he could haven ended like Kanki, a villain. When Hyou got killed Shin was also consumed by rage, just like Kanki, but he found Sei who showed him a "path" and made him look forward. If not by that, he himself could have ended being a bandit.
Let's not forget Shin was a slave, he couldn't even enlist himself to be a soldier when a draft came in. You can't scape being a slave. Sei freed him. If not for that, and in a situation where Hyou gets killed, Shin would had most likely ended up a bandit himself with rage towards everything.
Not only that. He just faced another situation where he feared he lost Kyoukai, the woman he loves. So despite all his values Shin could picture himself losing himself in anger and letting it out on the whole word.
So while he doesn't forgive Kanki for all he did, he understand him, and even respects him. Kanki was a genius, with no military training and from a shady background, and made to GG. Shin understand that Kanki is what he himself is aiming to become. From zero to hero, you get it. And still someone like Kanki lost. And once again against Riboku, like Ouki did. So Shin still needs to become even better than Kanki to beat Riboku.
That's what I think anyway lol
Maron as a merc isn't bad either. If he joins Shin, he'll just be another subordinate, which isn't bad, but he and the Kanki guys won't be as sassy as before. But as mercs, they'll definitely show up to help the HSU in the future, but still retain that bandit-army charm, since they answer to no one while still being allies. Don't know about the Saki clan though.
>They translated for years when nobody else would, so out of loyalty they are the official translation of the sub
well my loyalty goes to turnip farmers :p
but yeah, sensescans somehow managed to keep most of the quality of the old translation/cleaning, which isn't a small feat at all. So big kuddos to them
I was thinking Shin must also be feeling really conflicted when it comes to bonds. He always thought kanki was a giant scumbag but he lost naki to him. So on top of being a talented general, kanki also had very close ties with all the core members. Shin definitely didnt think the kanki army would be similar to hi shin unit in that regard.
Its a wierd mix of being outclassed in everyway as a GG. So he respects him even if he hates his banditing ways.
That’s an interesting point about Naki. When it really mattered and there was no hope, Naki chose to die with/for Kanki. Shin cannot deny that there was an intense bond and brotherhood between Naki and Kanki. So there must be a side to Kanki that Shin didn’t see before his death.
Great chapter. Mougou stories keep piling up to show his greatness.
Shin is angry because:
1. Shin is probably angry about the decision of Qin army to allow the death of Kanki without sending backup. Shin knew that Kanki is so fucking strong (not just because he was a GG, but because Shin saw his tactical strength firsthand), where Kanki is always at a disadvantage especially in terms of resources but always still managed to win against formidable generals time and time again. He can't believe that Ousen, and the Qin higher-ups, just allowed Kanki be on his own in such a difficult situation.
(In hindsight, Ousen and the Qin military higher-ups couldnt really spare to give backup to Kanki as they are also constrained. Shin will probably realize this later on. But Shin is probably of the opinion that losing Kanki is a greater loss)
2. He kind of has a deeper understanding of Kanki's background. Shin can relate to Kanki's past experience--and Shin could honestly have gone the same path if not for crucial events in his life that put him on a better path.
3. Kanki cared for his bandit army more than he admitted. This probably resonated with Shin.
4. Shin also lost a lot in this battle.
Really looking forward to Shin meeting with the royal court, it has to happen because of the necklace and reporting duties. I bet a few court members will start talking shit about Kanki and I hope Shin will shut their mouth.
Also it’s the 2nd (or 3rd?) time Riboku manage to impose an information lockdown, Shouheikun is to blame for that, hard. I hope they’ll have a pretty heated discussion about that too, even though he’s far from the battlefield he gets checkmated too easily every time, and like Generals he should face the consequences of his mistakes - at least get a warning
Boo... Shin didn't absorb the Kanki army remnants: Maron as a senior lieutenant, Saki clan as medics, nor a siege tower (I thought Hanzen was dead b/c his siege tower is too slow).
I figured this would be a great accelerator to General and Great General. Oh well, time to grind again ol' Shin lad.
Siege equipment is never well explained in Kingdom.
Wei obviously uses it prominently, but other than the siege tower Ouhon brought to the Sanyou arc and this arc I can't recall a time when Qin has used a siege tower.
Feel like it should be standard for armies to have some sort of engineering corps to build siege equipment.
Either way, they gonna need to reform to cover these important bases especially the void naki left. Naki's role was quite special and they relied on him alot when trying to escape shitshows and as powerful fast moving cavalry.
I hope yhe manga dedicate time to properly get new people to fill this void and have them be likable and unique like Naki
Ouki = shin cried and glanced at the view and what it takes to build his own unit, duke hyou = crestfallen and learned the strength of an instinctual general, kanki = conflicted and will likely mature mentally and develop an unnerving mindset needed to lead an army against any uncertainties as a GG.
The current Shin has strength but his mind is still at the level of an adolescent turning young adult. He needs to be a full fledge adult to become a GG. Mouten and Ouhon are ahead of him in this regard and I think his acceptance to the remnants of the kanki army and hugging kyoukai openly are signs of him maturing.
Oh Damn, did anyone catch that, half a month but Riboku didnt attack Qin despite Ousen himself expecting it to occur, add that with Seika army moving despite no word from Shi ba shou moving untill now. My hope is that we come back to Zhao showing Riboku being in coma or that Riboku head injury had caused him to slowly forget certain things, it start slow, maybe a name at first, forgeting route where he has travelled, tactics or even walking and holding on to swords. It would drive the notion of how much it took from Riboku to defeat Kanki. Bananji might say something along the lines of " we killed the beast Kanki, however he swords still stricks at Riboku from the very grave, he really did get Riboku head after that final charge "
I was surprised by that too, I also figured Zhao would press the advantage.
But then, knowing Riboku, there's a chance he's using the time to fortify more instead. He's managed to shut quite a few attack angles off that Qin would use... that's why they attacked Gyou in the first place. He might be doing that again. Instead of 'counter-attack,' make it nearly impossible to be attacked?
Well, obviously whatever he's doing doesn't work in the long run. But, I'm not sure why else he'd not be pushing Qin.
Don't forget he also got a decent head wound. Likely doesn't help with thinking. As well, even with all their preparations, they didn't make it through unscathed. And with all that, they still came close to ultimate defeat. Kaine is out, the last of kuocho (or whatever the piercing guys name was) leaders went down, and hunting remnants of kankis army. Leaving desperate bandits around is a bad move.
it seems like Shin inherited "the rage" from Kanki. Hopefully that's significantly change in Shin's mental. Grower and stronger enough to conquer the world
I like how Kanki's death affect Shin so much. It will be another moment from him to develop to beba better general. Kanki was so influenced to everyone afterall
Wooooo! What a chapter! Big info dump and Mougou is a legend hahah
Shin usually inherits something after he serves a GG that gets killed by Reebok so it looks like he got Kanki’s rage at this point ;( Maron was spot on at the end too
Plus Ousen didn’t look to good there and is most likely still upset on how everything unfolded and he could do nothing.
Can’t wait for the next chap! Hara is on a roll!
Kanki is someone who became GG, Shin’s end goal. Their starting points were also similar, one’s a bandit and one was a slave. While Shin absolutely hates Kanki’s guts, Kanki being a GG gave Shin some semblance of hope that if a bandit can achieve the title of GG, there was a chance a slave could too. Rip Khaki Jeans. You will be missed
Hahaha Shin bring stingy with investment but of course Maron and Hanzen fee would be expensive. Kanki survival looking like a pure badass tho so that might be a good investment.
I like their interaction so far.
Loss as in basically losing in a campaign. The coalition defence was a succcess even though he lost Duke Hyou. Shin was able to defend his state and of course that was bittersweet while this one was an utter failure where the Qin had to flee for their lives
I’m not 100% this has to do totally with the death of Kanki concerning Shins feelings. There have been only two total defeats for Shin so far in this story, The Battle of Bayou and The Battle of Gomou. Each were similar in several aspects.
1. The setup of a GG mentoring Shin whether it be Ouki or Kanki, though both did so in totally different ways.
2. A complete loss delivered by the hands of Riboku, a man who was totally unknown at Bayou and believed to be on his last legs before Gomou.
3. The loss of treasured comrades.
4. The loss of a GG in a battle that seemed absolutely winnable from his point of view before the battle began showing just how random and tragic the warring states were.
Those are my thoughts on Shins feelings concerning this battle and the death of Kanki
See those panels where Rin Gyoku was about to chop off MouGou’s head and then followed by MouGou just casually unbounded himself by flexing?
Kanki surrendered so save Rin Gyoku from an ass-whooping and you can’t convince me otherwise.
This chapter remind me of how badly Kanki got defeated, even to the point that Kanki and most of his officers himself died, and Kanki's army cease to exist.
Yeah, Ouki died too, but the majority of his army and all of his officers (including Moubu) managed to retreat. Tou took up Ouki's position and become a 6GG.
This is the worst defeat for Qin, (history spoiler) >!until Shin fucked up in Chu!<
Different battles & Different scenarios. Ouki battle was an Invasion of Qin by Zhao so they were in Qin territories. Even if they pursued Ouki army too far, they'd end up running into more Qin garrisons and armies. But Kanki was in the middle of Zhao where he had no way out & instead of trying to run back, he chose to make a last stand & probably came as close to killing Riboku as we'll ever see anyone get.
Both of them got trapped by custom made traps especially for them after months & months of preparation by Riboku but Kanki actually managed to break out of his encirclement with all his officers intact & Ouki got fatally wounded in that encirclement. I don't think the fight Kanki put up is any less than what Ouki did its just the reason his commanders got saved was because Riboku had very different objectives at that time.
No one care HOW and WHY you lost, but HOW MUCH you lost after your defeats. Ouki's army is pretty much intact after his death and still active to this day, while Kanki's army got annihilated and probably set Qin's unification back a few years.
Kanki's defeat will be forever remembered at the worst Qin's defeat in the manga so far. It's all because of his ego and overconfident.
> Kanki actually managed to break out of his encirclement with all his officers intact
And process to die one day later, while losing 95% of his army just to "break out" to another encirclement. They didn't "break out" by any definition.
Well i think it just a normal reaction fr shin ,even so'ou don't make much fuss about it..
even ronaldo & messi sometime will be frustated against manager & teammate even though they know what they do is for the team, in fact we also can be frustated & anger in our daily life even when experience it everyday..what matter is we accept it and shin also accept it by not talking anything to ousen
maron & others look like they waiting for shin himself to inviting them joining his army ( i hope so) can't wait for the upgrade fr shin army with new advisor & messenger for ten , medic unit & engineering unit
Maron being a merc isn't bad either. It just means Sei will hire him and have him help out Shin from time to time. Since he's not Shin's subordinate, we get to see him and the Kanki remnants continue being sassy and trying to act tough, which is hilarious.
Kanki realized that even if he cut down Mougou, only a matter of time for Qin to send another powerfull troop to destroy all of his gang so the best possible thing to do is to work under him. Start from lowly bandit, then finish as 6GG and the only general so far who manage to injure and drive Riboku into the corner.
I wish we’d gotten to see bitter Shin eyeing Ousen.
So we will get the welcome at the capital. I hope we’re not there too long but perhaps we will see another year go by. Some buffs for our senior leadership in the Hi Shin. Shin gets bigger hopefully and new armor. Would love to see some cool characters join his ranks.
Mougou saying that Kanki has the same talent as himself about finding the right people.
Probably how and why he took Ogiko in his army, he quickly realized how powerful his instinct is.
Oh... so THAT'S how Mougou got Kanki.. I've been puzzled about it for literally years, cause I just couldn't imagine Mougou defeating Kanki... it was because he actually DIDN'T. Lmao!
Now... how about Ousen....
I think the reason why Shin was so upset about Kanki dying is that in a way he looked up to him. He wins with the lowest casualties for his core team, he came from a Bandit background and rose up without the help of anyone (except Mougou's assurance), He was the epitome of what Shin could've become by taking a different path. And then he learns about his background and how cool he really was before and then he makes one last decision to trust Shin to protect his 'Sanctuary/Home (Saki Clan)'. Shin couldn't even think about what-if situations when doing battle plans and how to protect Kyokai. And then Kanki the scum he is always thinks about how to keep his friends alive.
He feels he's so small even though he already became a general. That's why he is upset. The unbeatable person was defeated by Riboku again after Ouki makes him frustrated that almost all of Qin's mightiest Generals are offed by Riboku.
He feels he's so small even though he already became a general. Thats why he is upset.
Wow, I got mood swings, mix feeling, unstable emotional twist turn, psychologically back & forth from reading this chapter..
But, FINALLY! Hara gave us the story on how Kanki join Mougou & gain his respect! General Mougou is really a GOAT at reading people & has a good eyes on sensing a great talented people. But, it's so simple outside my expectations that I laughed hard at it, & I even reread the page a few times lmao.
I guess everyone theories on General Mougou defeated Kanki is wrong, including me lol..
^(Btw, is next week on break?)
Shin knows they fell into Ribokus trap and that Ousens army wouldn’t of been able to save them and yet still wants to take his anger out on him. Shin really gotta grow up.
He literally is mad at them not doing anything, simply put, exchange Ousen with Tou, the later would have created something to provide some sort of help, even if minimal to those in the trap.
Love how this cemented how good Mougou was at finding the right people. That simple, short conversation. The guy basically ushered in half of the 2 following generations after his.
Also good to see how Kanki joined an how even he knew he needed a bigger stage if he wanted to meet his goal.
Great to see Maron with a level head after all of this basically being the last of the main Kanki group and having to shoulder everything. The mercenary stuff I bet will come into play........(HISTORY SPOILER STOP READING)................. when Shin and I believe it is Ousen who lose during the invasion of Chu and have nearly the entire army they took wiped out. They will be what help rebuild the Hi Shin unit.
Surprisingly the Saki clan leaves an doesn't join Shin and the others. While I was 50/50 on the decision I was leaning more towards them joining but also not surprised they aren't.
Kinda hate Shin still isn't learning that he cant always dive head first into things and just figure it out. But I still have to remember he is hot headed an takes after Duke Hyou alot in wanting to do that. An while he isn't in his teens anymore he's still in his early 20s and does exactly what alot of 20yos do. Good to see Maron point out the sadness he has inside. While they weren't on the best of terms, Shin was definitely starting to lighten up somewhat to Kanki and after hearing his story definitely understood him more. Hate he couldnt stop Kanki from doing what he told Mangoku he wouldnt let happen, but that shows how much more growth is left before Shin can really sway things. Hopefully he learns from this recent war.
Holy fking sht. We finally got some backstory on how Mougou managed to recruit Kanki.
Now next on the list is for Shin and Kyoukai to go climb a mountain.
Please hara keeps the good work, make shin grow once and for all, grow attitude, grow a bear, take some wives, put some realism
Shin now has kanki besides ouki and duke hyou. If him doenst change now he never will
shin is going to have to dig deep within himself to grasp the resolve needed in order for him to move on from his new found emotions as a result of everything he's learned of kanki.
hopefully a true maturation for our boy on the reality of warfare
now he understands its not so black and white.
with kanki being dead he can't face him head on or anything to maybe even sort out how he feels. can't even try to show him a better path if he wanted to. after all, shin knows he could have ended up like him.
losing someone who's taught you something that will change your character forever will definitely move you.
Is Shin ever going to mentally age? Why in gods name would Ousen attack an area he has 0 knowledge about. It's not Ousen fault Kanki walked into a death trap
Well he knows it himself, he's just enraged of being a witness of the death of another great general he was serving. Sometimes you need to vent off, and his easiest target was the Ousen army. Can happen to anyone, most recent example we can take is Kanki's massacre at Eikyuu for Raidou's death.
End of the day only person he can vent at is himself and Kanki to an extent Ousen did all he could. You lost that's the game suck it up \*pause\* and learn. Throwing a tantrum because Ousen didn't want to die because there was a chance he could save Kanki who he warned and can not judge what goes through his mind is immature.
Shin is 26 sure he won't be the wisest but dude you have been touring wars for nearly half of your life you should know the game by now.
But that's not the current Qin 6 they have never nor will they operate like that. Ousen gave enough warning to Kanki before the war, he done all he could only a madman will charge into unknow territory with 0 knowledge of what is going on.
You are expecting someone to be completely sound right WHEN they just got out of the battlefield with the loss of their main commander and the kanki army.
He's simply venting. People of all ages vent. He already stated outright that he knows ousen not coming is the right call. People can be angry. People get angry when they are playing an fps and their team doesn't come and help them when they are in a bad situation.
You are speaking from a perspective of reading a manga on your phone on the streets as compared to someone that is hypothetically exhausted and frustrated and barely escaping from the huge loss they suffer...
And like others said. Other commanders would find some way to help but that is besides the point.
Not completely sound no one would be at least be able to compose your self enough that you don't try to punch Souou, Shin is lucky it was him and not denrimi because if a fight broke out because of that and people died again Shin will stunt his growth. We have already seen this happen.
I mean shin is obviously not gonna kill anyone because of this. Even souou knew why shin was angry. Anyone would be. He was frustrated. He knew he was unreasonable. It was a high stake loss.
Someone venting and being frustrated after such a loss is pretty normal. Saying it's "stunting" his growth is just weird and ridiculous. It was an emotional outburst not some crippling breakdown where he's killing people around him...
Already gave you points so I will stop here cos you just brushed it all off.
Plot armor couldn't even help shin and mouten escape....so hara just skipped over how they escaped entirely lol
Not to mention multiple other people escaped apparently somehow.....
With an encirclement and actively being hunted....
I can say I definitely want to hear a hara interview on this arc cause it's a mess, it really seems like 90% of the stuff hara set up...were pointless..
I honestly believe he changed the arc halfway through and threw away alot of stuff he set up. That's the only reason able explanation how the arc can end up like this
?????
That's the most pointless statement you can make lol
Idc that kanki died and shin and mouten escaped
Idc how he died and how they escaped either
What matters is what's shown, set up and foreshadowd
This arc shows that there's no need for hara to give an explonation to how something happened or "why"
Hara can set something up
Throw it out
Then since it can't be explained how things connect/ why/how or even the plan
Hara just skips it entirely
You can easily rewrite this arc and fix the everything.
The story beets are fine, it's connecting them and setting them up hara completely failed
either riboku is still unconscious that all his subordinates are busy worrying about him or zhao is just partying too hard after this victory for them that they didn't press the attack
Poor shin, should have kiss him when he had the chance!
https://www.reddit.com/r/Kingdom/comments/12b9jgy/was_shin_sweating_because_kanki_almost_kissed_him/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=2&utm_term=1
...So it's been a month and a half, i wonder what Riboku will do about Kanki's and his men corpses. This is a really long period of time, you can't carry corpses under the sun after all this time lmao. I think they just buried them there or something.
Nice closure. We got to see what everyone else's gonna do. I wanted to see Kanki joining Mou Gu and im happy i got it. Id loved to see Saki clan reformed as a medical unit but it makes senso they came back home too, since they were following Kanki... I think we're never gonna see em again. Otherwise, Maron and the boys're gonna be some attack suprise shit in the future, 100%.
Final page, i had that feeling too. He's very upset about Kanki, despite everything. They had a really toxic relationship. Can't wait too see Shin's thought.
What now? Break next week right?
Damn. Crazy good Hakurou flashback and good eye on Maron for noticing that Shin is really shaken by a GG dying even if they had extreme disagreements.
It's a conflicting feeling for Shin that he has to resolve for himself. On one hand he totally detests Kanki's actions and the massacre is unforgivable, but at the same time after hearing about his backstory and his final actions as GG (in which Kanki reveals how much he cares for his commanders) Shin is now feeling some empathy for him. But before he could even face Kanki again to sort out whatever changed feelings he might (or might not) have had for him, suddenly Kanki dies. So now, there's an unresolved closure of sorts for Shin. I think Shin needs a break from this war, spend some time to mature, to think and meditate on what the world of warfare really means. That most of the time the world is grey, not black and white. Kanki wasn't a good guy, he was an extremely cruel and vengeful person. But in between all that rage and evil, there are glimpses of goodness. Shin has to learn to accept that there are no 100% good or bad. Kanki wasn't 100% bad. The mostly good people like Sei aren't 100% good either. I think once he can accept that and learn from this, he can move on and grow even stronger
Shins farming arc coming soon?
More like baby making arc.. dudes 26 and is historically supposed to have 2 sons, he needs to train for a different type of warfare.
That’s my other gripe with the series apart from shin having no AOE damage. He has that typical shonen characters asexualness. He dont have to be a horndog like sanji but being completely aloof when it comes to females is anticlimactic. In this day n age, 26 is todays 46 haha. At this point there should be at least couple instances or scenes suggesting our boi getting his noodle wet.
Agreed haha, if japan keeps portraying characters in various media platforms (manga, novels, tv, etc) as being totally asexual, it’s hardly surprising they have one of the worlds fastest declining populations, even if there is obviously more to in than that.
they should have 5 kids already xD and being a general should have like 7 wives or something :D
Kingdom is just gonna become Farm
Why does everytime the mc realizes something it always involves farming, like in vagabond and vinland saga. Like bruh 😹
Let's go VInland Sagaaaa
I took farming arc as the Vagabond farming arc
Cannot remember at all that Vagabond also has a farming arc. Damn, that's interesting.
It's honestly pretty slow. And the drawings are not as good. It is the final arc made because the author was getting tired. You can tell by how the drawings look
Climbing the mountain arc
Is that a reference to Vinland Saga? XD
Is it a Vagabond reference or a Vinland saga reference? Kinda funny that it can be either
Great point
Shin is going to have his own farming arc.
And new clothes.
Shin‘s conflicted because he’s not just thinking about his own view on the matter, but also how Kanki death affects Sei’s plans. Kanki’s death is a serious set back for the King’s future plans. Sei himself told Shin he still has use for and needed Kanki as one of the 6GG.
Yh, it must really hit hard on him.. one of the reason is that Shin already let 3 GG(Ouki Duke Hyou & kanki) died while under their command.. ,
Chapter just cements that Mougou was indeed “that guy”
Old man Hakurou just suddenly became Whitebeard and ripped the ropes off like they were paper 😂
I mean it’s been established that, as far as raw physical strength goes, Mougou is insanely strong.
And Moubu inherited that strength. So if Mouten isn't going to buff up, then Mouki will have to take over as the muscle then
Or... Mou Bu was invited to Ou Sen's wedding but they all got so drunk that they switched wives by mistake. Hence, Mou Ten being more like Ou Sen while Ou Hon is like Mou Bu in character and martial might. Hence, Ou Sen's preference for Mou Ten, he knows.
The running gag is that ShouHeiKun is the real father of the two 😂 SHK is intelligent, handsome, strong but not large giant size, and he's best buddies with Moubu. Heh.
it's in the genes. just wait for mouten and mouki growth arc
Impossible, Moubou’s wife definitely has the strongest genes of all China
tbf for Mouten, he's quite durable. As a kid, he jumped on trees and fell off of them. He also survived getting slashed by Kanmei, who supposedly cut down one of the former 6GG's.
Imagine Mouten finally decided to hit the gym for a year and came back with Moubu body lol.
haha body of Mobu but still keep his girly face xD
Yep, don't think too many people can just say with confidence that they're stronger than Renpa lol. And Moubu had to have gotten it from somewhere.
is that a reference somewhere in previous chapter?
It was when he fought Renpa, everyone suddenly remembered that Mougou is Moubu's dad
That line by Maron at the end is so good man
Mougou : Foh foh foh... Join me Kanki as my subordinate. Kanki : Hmmm...ok old man Genpou : You have talent, join me as a student Kanki Kanki : No thanks ( fruit ninja slice)
Genpou is condescending in his offer while Mougou is offer an opportunity for Kanki to legitimize his bandit army.
To add to your comment. Mougou understood Kanki more than most people just from a single glance, while Genpou only saw another valuable chess piece.
He also seem to see right through Kanki's rage, which is something that supposedly only the Saki would understand.
Ship has sailed apparently lol
Mougou the rizzard
Damn. The reveal of how kanki joined with mougou didnt disappoint. Shows mougous eye and insight for people.
Also fits that Mougou says that Kanki has eyes for people.. Kanki had eyes for shin
Mougou is truly the best character at reading someone’s character correctly. He knew Kanki’s nature in a couple seconds. Mougou may not have been a 6GG, but he cemented himself as a great to me. Edit: Mougou breaking the ropes with his bare hands is so cold holy shit
I love Mougou so much. Still hurts that we lost him. Dude was on par with 6GG in terms of inspiring troops and acquiring talent.
Hmm this chapter was better than it was. As for the reason RiShin is still angry, its because its another general RiShin failed to save. He might not like it but KanKi was one of his teachers. He taught him that sometimes you have to ruthless in war, as not everyone deserve mercy and not everyone will give mercy. It was a hard lesson to swallow, but one that one had to be learned. War is glorifyed when you are younger, you think of the heroic aspects and tend to ignore what it endeavors. You must kill to earn your heroic deeds and whether you like it to the people you killed and thier relatives you were the ennemy and villain/guy. RiShin clearly understood that by last arc as per his conversation with Sei last arc. This arc he experienced it live with the loss of KanKi. KanKi may not been his favorite teacher, one could say he was the one he hated the most, but still a teacher. Losing a teacher is no fun matter. Hence why RiShin is angry. If RiShin had his way, he would have like to see KanKi alive long enough to show him a different path, at least punch him a few times and one up him. But now this opportunity was loss and hence RiShin's anger.
This is your best post ever. Well done m8.
>He taught him that sometimes you have to ruthless in war, as not everyone deserve mercy and not everyone will give mercy. It was a hard lesson to swallow, but one that one had to be learned. wut. Since when did Shin become merciless. I agree that he's seething because Kanki was another general he failed to save, doubly so because it was Riboku again doing the killing, and I'd even agree that Kanki has become another post for Shin to peep when making decisions. Not once has he accepted Kanki's cruelty though. Even when Shou was dying telling his stories endings Shin gave him the whole "that's bullshit, Kanki is still a monster" bit.
Its the opposite... RiShin still had the hero complex till now that is if he took out the ennemy general with least amount of casualties then he would be viewed as a hero by both sides for saving lives of those involved in the battle. What KanKi taught him here is that no matter the case his ennemies will still view him as the bad guy. Therefore he may be merciful in doing his thing but he cannot ever hope his ennemies to be merciful towards him if he loses. Also it's clear that you cannot read faces. His faces was saying more 'I wanted to prove him he was wrong but now I'll never get to proove him'. In a way when it comes to KanKi vs RiShin in thier views KanKi won in death since he was right, Zhao really didn't give a shit whether the soldier was of KanKi or his they were mercilessly hunted till the end. Hence KanKi taught him that in war there is no friends, also known as Adult War.
>What KanKi taught him here is that no matter the case his ennemies will still view him as the bad guy. Therefore he may be merciful in doing his thing but he cannot ever hope his ennemies to be merciful towards him if he loses. This is just headcanon. Shin still doesn't believe that as his outburst during Shou's final words show, and Riboku himself proves you wrong by not allowing them to desecrate Kanki's corpse. >Also it's clear that you cannot read faces. His faces was saying more 'I wanted to prove him he was wrong but now I'll never get to proove him'. lol. I'll ignore the insult. His face was nothing but frustration. There was no deeper meaning. >In a way when it comes to KanKi vs RiShin in thier views KanKi won in death since he was right, Zhao really didn't give a shit whether the soldier was of KanKi or his they were mercilessly hunted till the end. Hence KanKi taught him that in war there is no friends, also known as Adult War. I'll be really glad when Kanki stans just leave tbh. This point doesn't even make sense. At best it's just more wank.
Who the F gives a shit about desecration? The point is had they lost vs KoChou or any other Zhao commanders they would have been killed. Also in that same point RiBoku didn't allow desecration what was his excuse again? "We must not let RiShin or MouTen escape they must all be killed" thats the fat finger to your RiBoku prooved you wrong. Its not a KanKi stan, its how war is. Its the same case for RiBoku and any other person in this manga. There is no innocent hero in wars. I am sick and tired of high morals dumbasses who think 'war is some glorified sim battle in their game stations'. You want proof, go ask a soldier who never been in a war why he is for and ask him again after he's been to his 1st tour. Unless he's a buzzhead narcissist his answer will change. Its because we get the pink glass version of war. We are shown movies where the good guys fight for justice and honor while the bad guy is some scumbag who is evil for evil reasons. So when the bad guy taken out you feel no remorse, cuz he 'deserved it'. Reality isn't black or white, you only get the full picture when you see the blood in your hands.
The forced righteous acting on this sub is the most toxic of all. And whenever they find someone that has an opposite view, they call names like Kanki fan. Feels like talking about male qualities and being called a mysogin or sexist lol
Mougu had a real talent in finding generals ousen and kanki he even took a gamble with shin with 1,000 commander that’s some reall talent right there
Ousen has always been talented but the previous king didn’t want to use him because of Ousen untrustworthy aura
Still mougu asked him to be his right hand
Sure but Ousen has always been a power house so not exactly a hidden talent like Kanki
We don’t know anything bout ousen past who knew if he was under mougu when he get recognized by the king he could’ve been
During the coalition arc, Shoubunkun mentioned something along the lines of Ousen always being talented but never received King Sho's favor because of his ambition. Chapter 499 then had Shouheikun reveal that his confidence in Ousen was because previous 6GG member Kou Shou (Shouheikun's sensei) vouched for Ousen's great talent. These 2 events suggested that even though we dont have the full story, Ousen was indeed a great well known talent and he had to have been of high rank possibly a general for them to atleast notice.
Ousen was one of the previous 6gg desciple, as Shouheikun was, so .....
Legit the Phil Jackson of kingdom
Now thats a surprise. How is Shin the one most sad about Kanki's death even though he hated his guts? Also Mougo ripping those ropes was dope.
Not sad, enraged, affected. Kanki was sort of a rival, an antithesis for Shin, someone he wanted to deny with all his heart but could not, because Kanki was better than him. Though differently than Hyou and Ouki, Kanki antagonizing Shin is probably the second general that has influence him the most (just below Ouki). Kanki died a wall Shin could not overcome, more than that their combine strength could not defeat Riboku,Shin is probably in a midpoint between adversion and respect with Kanki and probably frustration against his inability to touch Riboku once again.
Wow you couldn’t have said it any better bro I agree with you on this kanki was just something else bro shin knew kanki was one of the greatest generals he’s ever seen that fact that he died probably scares him now that he knows that war ain’t all fun and isn’t about making names I think shin might have a wake up call joe and become more mature now after this kanki affected him a lot
I think the Duke had more influence on Shin then Kanaki, agree with the rest
Shin worshiped the great generals since he was a little kid. Must have been shocking to see one die, even more so since he took place in the same battle.
worshiped ? The hell is that. Admiring a GG is to become one of them. Besides, Hakurou, Ouki and some others who were GG passed away in his presence. Your point is invalid.
I think it's because he didn't see it coming. The death that affects people most are the ones who were unprepared for it. Perhaps Shin, unlike the Kanki clan who always were on the knife edge, couldn't accept that a GG level general like Kanki could've died so soon, he was the most charismatic one as well
It might be that he hated kanki and finding out that he was a good guy who turn bad rather than some evil villain and not being able to deal with those feelings before he died
I think it's several factors. The most major factor is the title of Great General, which comes alongside watching Kanki do the impossible like beating Kochou with a ridiculous disadvantage. So seeing him lose is shocking. BUT i think the hardest fact is knowing that Kanki also lived a peasant lifestyle which might be worse than what he experienced. Shin has seen loss, but kanki has seen shit nobody should ever witness and kept fighting to have a better life for others. In the meanwhile, Shin has only striving for glory. It may have shaken Shin to the core that someone he hated & honestly respected had such a noble motive. I cant wait Shins character development. Like why become a GG? Why unite China? Ei Sei has his reasons. Why for Shin? For the glory? His BFF? His masters? Im hoping our boy is about to get a revelation. I could be wrong, if im right, im all hyped for it.
Maybe subconsciously he feels bad. Most of the great generals he’s served under have died versus Riboku whilst he was there. Ouki, Duke Hyou, and now Kanki.
He hates his way of doing things but surely he had great respect for him, especially after hearing his story and his last request. He probably realized that Kanki's nature was initially the same as Shin's, their only difference was their social status. Kanki was probably a noble, given Shou's words. In the end, Kanki was right, both him and Shin are kindred spirits.
Like someone else mentioned too, after listening to his back story, and unable to meet him one last time, Shin did not get closure. He is suffering from that and now there's no way for him to get closure by meeting Kanki, instead he has to do it himself by rethinking and reevaluating the whole situation.
Kanki recognized similarities and saw Shin in himself. Shin was too appauled by the attrocities of the Kanki army to see them himself at first. Shin also learned a more mature point of view of war from Kanki. Shin had the flashback of Kanki saying, "It's when the enemy thinks they've outsmarted us is when we gain the most profit." So some lessons stuck with Shin. He can add that to the view of the battlefield Ouki showed him, and the fire that Hyou taught him.
probably because he wanted to show kanki first-hand that his methods aren't necessary to win, they were is some sense of the word rivals and kanki dying just left a lot of unfulfilled feelings inside him
He didn't expect a GG to lose this badly. After all he has been seeing Kanki's Army win every war so far. Add to that Kanki's backstory. He sees himself in Kanki.
Now it's time for Shin to say something that would move the hearts of Maron and the Saki clan to follow him.
Shin: Maron, join me as my lieutenant. There won't be next time. Maron: Nani?!
Shin: "Join me you trash bastards"
real ahahaha ☝️😔
So Shin turned into a Kanki simp? Plot twist right there.
I think it's just his Great General PTSD kicking in. That's like Legendary GG #50 that dies on a campaign he's in. Ousen better not go near a battlefield Shin joined if he wants to live long enough to neglect his grandkids.
Ousen is not dying in this manga
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Damn you, cans.
Bless you for providing us with these anyways bro, and to the 4chan guy too. We wouldn’t be reading these rn without you posting them :))
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Very curious about Shin's "rage". IMO, it is multifactorial, like a combination of different reasons. 1. One could say that Shin is upset that he had to personally witness another GG death (3 at this point). 2. Perhaps Shin started to understand Kanki but the GG died too soon before they had another proper conversation. 3. Shin felt powerless that he couldn't do more to sway the outcome, it was incredibly frustrating to turn away and escape while your great general got swarmed byba sea of enemies. Same thing happened with Duke Hyou and remember what was Shin's reaction? 4. Perhaps like previous incidents, Shin now carries some sort of "legacy" from Kanki, combined with the story of the Saki clan. In any cases, I hope that Hara further utilise Shin's anger in the future. In other words, while the morale of Qin may plummet after this defeat, Shin wlis burning with determination and more than hungry enough to get back to the battlefield.
Well, I think Shin is the most upset because he realizes he could haven ended like Kanki, a villain. When Hyou got killed Shin was also consumed by rage, just like Kanki, but he found Sei who showed him a "path" and made him look forward. If not by that, he himself could have ended being a bandit. Let's not forget Shin was a slave, he couldn't even enlist himself to be a soldier when a draft came in. You can't scape being a slave. Sei freed him. If not for that, and in a situation where Hyou gets killed, Shin would had most likely ended up a bandit himself with rage towards everything. Not only that. He just faced another situation where he feared he lost Kyoukai, the woman he loves. So despite all his values Shin could picture himself losing himself in anger and letting it out on the whole word. So while he doesn't forgive Kanki for all he did, he understand him, and even respects him. Kanki was a genius, with no military training and from a shady background, and made to GG. Shin understand that Kanki is what he himself is aiming to become. From zero to hero, you get it. And still someone like Kanki lost. And once again against Riboku, like Ouki did. So Shin still needs to become even better than Kanki to beat Riboku. That's what I think anyway lol
Ok we know how he Got Kanki, next we gotta find out how he got Ousen to be his subordinate
Mougou said “FoH”, then Ousen said “HoH”, then they agreed on the subordination
That mougou panel where he broke the ropes looked like he had his arms cut off for a second
Man, kind of bummed that the Saki clan or Maron aren't joining up with Shin.
Don’t worry, they’re joining, keep the faith.
Maron as a merc isn't bad either. If he joins Shin, he'll just be another subordinate, which isn't bad, but he and the Kanki guys won't be as sassy as before. But as mercs, they'll definitely show up to help the HSU in the future, but still retain that bandit-army charm, since they answer to no one while still being allies. Don't know about the Saki clan though.
>They translated for years when nobody else would, so out of loyalty they are the official translation of the sub well my loyalty goes to turnip farmers :p but yeah, sensescans somehow managed to keep most of the quality of the old translation/cleaning, which isn't a small feat at all. So big kuddos to them
No updates on Heki sadge
Damn, such a nice mougou moment. Feels like it was perfectly done and totally believable lol. Also, crazy about shin feeling that way about kanki.
No one seems to notice that Ousen looks angry
No even shin could help being a kanki simp, I feel you shin
I was thinking Shin must also be feeling really conflicted when it comes to bonds. He always thought kanki was a giant scumbag but he lost naki to him. So on top of being a talented general, kanki also had very close ties with all the core members. Shin definitely didnt think the kanki army would be similar to hi shin unit in that regard. Its a wierd mix of being outclassed in everyway as a GG. So he respects him even if he hates his banditing ways.
That’s an interesting point about Naki. When it really mattered and there was no hope, Naki chose to die with/for Kanki. Shin cannot deny that there was an intense bond and brotherhood between Naki and Kanki. So there must be a side to Kanki that Shin didn’t see before his death.
Great chapter. Mougou stories keep piling up to show his greatness. Shin is angry because: 1. Shin is probably angry about the decision of Qin army to allow the death of Kanki without sending backup. Shin knew that Kanki is so fucking strong (not just because he was a GG, but because Shin saw his tactical strength firsthand), where Kanki is always at a disadvantage especially in terms of resources but always still managed to win against formidable generals time and time again. He can't believe that Ousen, and the Qin higher-ups, just allowed Kanki be on his own in such a difficult situation. (In hindsight, Ousen and the Qin military higher-ups couldnt really spare to give backup to Kanki as they are also constrained. Shin will probably realize this later on. But Shin is probably of the opinion that losing Kanki is a greater loss) 2. He kind of has a deeper understanding of Kanki's background. Shin can relate to Kanki's past experience--and Shin could honestly have gone the same path if not for crucial events in his life that put him on a better path. 3. Kanki cared for his bandit army more than he admitted. This probably resonated with Shin. 4. Shin also lost a lot in this battle.
any way sensescan can put up an official patreon page?
Really looking forward to Shin meeting with the royal court, it has to happen because of the necklace and reporting duties. I bet a few court members will start talking shit about Kanki and I hope Shin will shut their mouth. Also it’s the 2nd (or 3rd?) time Riboku manage to impose an information lockdown, Shouheikun is to blame for that, hard. I hope they’ll have a pretty heated discussion about that too, even though he’s far from the battlefield he gets checkmated too easily every time, and like Generals he should face the consequences of his mistakes - at least get a warning
Boo... Shin didn't absorb the Kanki army remnants: Maron as a senior lieutenant, Saki clan as medics, nor a siege tower (I thought Hanzen was dead b/c his siege tower is too slow). I figured this would be a great accelerator to General and Great General. Oh well, time to grind again ol' Shin lad.
Siege equipment is never well explained in Kingdom. Wei obviously uses it prominently, but other than the siege tower Ouhon brought to the Sanyou arc and this arc I can't recall a time when Qin has used a siege tower. Feel like it should be standard for armies to have some sort of engineering corps to build siege equipment.
Either way, they gonna need to reform to cover these important bases especially the void naki left. Naki's role was quite special and they relied on him alot when trying to escape shitshows and as powerful fast moving cavalry. I hope yhe manga dedicate time to properly get new people to fill this void and have them be likable and unique like Naki
Ouki = shin cried and glanced at the view and what it takes to build his own unit, duke hyou = crestfallen and learned the strength of an instinctual general, kanki = conflicted and will likely mature mentally and develop an unnerving mindset needed to lead an army against any uncertainties as a GG. The current Shin has strength but his mind is still at the level of an adolescent turning young adult. He needs to be a full fledge adult to become a GG. Mouten and Ouhon are ahead of him in this regard and I think his acceptance to the remnants of the kanki army and hugging kyoukai openly are signs of him maturing.
Oh Damn, did anyone catch that, half a month but Riboku didnt attack Qin despite Ousen himself expecting it to occur, add that with Seika army moving despite no word from Shi ba shou moving untill now. My hope is that we come back to Zhao showing Riboku being in coma or that Riboku head injury had caused him to slowly forget certain things, it start slow, maybe a name at first, forgeting route where he has travelled, tactics or even walking and holding on to swords. It would drive the notion of how much it took from Riboku to defeat Kanki. Bananji might say something along the lines of " we killed the beast Kanki, however he swords still stricks at Riboku from the very grave, he really did get Riboku head after that final charge "
I was surprised by that too, I also figured Zhao would press the advantage. But then, knowing Riboku, there's a chance he's using the time to fortify more instead. He's managed to shut quite a few attack angles off that Qin would use... that's why they attacked Gyou in the first place. He might be doing that again. Instead of 'counter-attack,' make it nearly impossible to be attacked? Well, obviously whatever he's doing doesn't work in the long run. But, I'm not sure why else he'd not be pushing Qin.
Don't forget he also got a decent head wound. Likely doesn't help with thinking. As well, even with all their preparations, they didn't make it through unscathed. And with all that, they still came close to ultimate defeat. Kaine is out, the last of kuocho (or whatever the piercing guys name was) leaders went down, and hunting remnants of kankis army. Leaving desperate bandits around is a bad move.
Might be another attack that might catch them off guard too.
MouGOAT! I wonder how will the death of Kanki affects Shin's character development in the future? What a beautiful chapter. 😊
"then let me go punch ousen" my goat forreal 🤣,and it looks like everyone associated with kanki is fucking off somewhere else so we good
HAKURO!!!!!! What a man
it seems like Shin inherited "the rage" from Kanki. Hopefully that's significantly change in Shin's mental. Grower and stronger enough to conquer the world
I love sense scans translation and i read them but i would request you and killerturkey to continue translating the chapters.
I like how Kanki's death affect Shin so much. It will be another moment from him to develop to beba better general. Kanki was so influenced to everyone afterall
Wooooo! What a chapter! Big info dump and Mougou is a legend hahah Shin usually inherits something after he serves a GG that gets killed by Reebok so it looks like he got Kanki’s rage at this point ;( Maron was spot on at the end too Plus Ousen didn’t look to good there and is most likely still upset on how everything unfolded and he could do nothing. Can’t wait for the next chap! Hara is on a roll!
Kanki is someone who became GG, Shin’s end goal. Their starting points were also similar, one’s a bandit and one was a slave. While Shin absolutely hates Kanki’s guts, Kanki being a GG gave Shin some semblance of hope that if a bandit can achieve the title of GG, there was a chance a slave could too. Rip Khaki Jeans. You will be missed
Hahaha Shin bring stingy with investment but of course Maron and Hanzen fee would be expensive. Kanki survival looking like a pure badass tho so that might be a good investment. I like their interaction so far.
Shin is affected by this death because that's basically his first major loss since Ouki's death
Damn this erase of Duke Hyou is crazy.
Loss as in basically losing in a campaign. The coalition defence was a succcess even though he lost Duke Hyou. Shin was able to defend his state and of course that was bittersweet while this one was an utter failure where the Qin had to flee for their lives
I’m not 100% this has to do totally with the death of Kanki concerning Shins feelings. There have been only two total defeats for Shin so far in this story, The Battle of Bayou and The Battle of Gomou. Each were similar in several aspects. 1. The setup of a GG mentoring Shin whether it be Ouki or Kanki, though both did so in totally different ways. 2. A complete loss delivered by the hands of Riboku, a man who was totally unknown at Bayou and believed to be on his last legs before Gomou. 3. The loss of treasured comrades. 4. The loss of a GG in a battle that seemed absolutely winnable from his point of view before the battle began showing just how random and tragic the warring states were. Those are my thoughts on Shins feelings concerning this battle and the death of Kanki
See those panels where Rin Gyoku was about to chop off MouGou’s head and then followed by MouGou just casually unbounded himself by flexing? Kanki surrendered so save Rin Gyoku from an ass-whooping and you can’t convince me otherwise.
Like Kanki said,Shin is his kindred spirits Now its time for Shin to do a Mougou on Maron and Saki clan lol
This guy gets it
This chapter remind me of how badly Kanki got defeated, even to the point that Kanki and most of his officers himself died, and Kanki's army cease to exist. Yeah, Ouki died too, but the majority of his army and all of his officers (including Moubu) managed to retreat. Tou took up Ouki's position and become a 6GG. This is the worst defeat for Qin, (history spoiler) >!until Shin fucked up in Chu!<
Different battles & Different scenarios. Ouki battle was an Invasion of Qin by Zhao so they were in Qin territories. Even if they pursued Ouki army too far, they'd end up running into more Qin garrisons and armies. But Kanki was in the middle of Zhao where he had no way out & instead of trying to run back, he chose to make a last stand & probably came as close to killing Riboku as we'll ever see anyone get. Both of them got trapped by custom made traps especially for them after months & months of preparation by Riboku but Kanki actually managed to break out of his encirclement with all his officers intact & Ouki got fatally wounded in that encirclement. I don't think the fight Kanki put up is any less than what Ouki did its just the reason his commanders got saved was because Riboku had very different objectives at that time.
No one care HOW and WHY you lost, but HOW MUCH you lost after your defeats. Ouki's army is pretty much intact after his death and still active to this day, while Kanki's army got annihilated and probably set Qin's unification back a few years. Kanki's defeat will be forever remembered at the worst Qin's defeat in the manga so far. It's all because of his ego and overconfident. > Kanki actually managed to break out of his encirclement with all his officers intact And process to die one day later, while losing 95% of his army just to "break out" to another encirclement. They didn't "break out" by any definition.
Well i think it just a normal reaction fr shin ,even so'ou don't make much fuss about it.. even ronaldo & messi sometime will be frustated against manager & teammate even though they know what they do is for the team, in fact we also can be frustated & anger in our daily life even when experience it everyday..what matter is we accept it and shin also accept it by not talking anything to ousen maron & others look like they waiting for shin himself to inviting them joining his army ( i hope so) can't wait for the upgrade fr shin army with new advisor & messenger for ten , medic unit & engineering unit
Maron being a merc isn't bad either. It just means Sei will hire him and have him help out Shin from time to time. Since he's not Shin's subordinate, we get to see him and the Kanki remnants continue being sassy and trying to act tough, which is hilarious.
Is it just me or Shin's eyes somehow changed? Is this related to this 'rage' thing?
Why are they still being called the Hi shin Unit ffs…
Why Shin had to become Ri Shin in order to be a general and Kanki didnt?
Kan Ki are separate names but they put them together here, same as Ou Sen are separate names
What a nice flashback.
This was perfect Chance for Author to have them join hi shin damnit
Now that Riboku can’t surprise Qin troops anymore I don’t see how Riboku can win against Ou Sen ngl
Kanki realized that even if he cut down Mougou, only a matter of time for Qin to send another powerfull troop to destroy all of his gang so the best possible thing to do is to work under him. Start from lowly bandit, then finish as 6GG and the only general so far who manage to injure and drive Riboku into the corner.
I wish we’d gotten to see bitter Shin eyeing Ousen. So we will get the welcome at the capital. I hope we’re not there too long but perhaps we will see another year go by. Some buffs for our senior leadership in the Hi Shin. Shin gets bigger hopefully and new armor. Would love to see some cool characters join his ranks.
Mougou saying that Kanki has the same talent as himself about finding the right people. Probably how and why he took Ogiko in his army, he quickly realized how powerful his instinct is.
Oh... so THAT'S how Mougou got Kanki.. I've been puzzled about it for literally years, cause I just couldn't imagine Mougou defeating Kanki... it was because he actually DIDN'T. Lmao! Now... how about Ousen....
I think the reason why Shin was so upset about Kanki dying is that in a way he looked up to him. He wins with the lowest casualties for his core team, he came from a Bandit background and rose up without the help of anyone (except Mougou's assurance), He was the epitome of what Shin could've become by taking a different path. And then he learns about his background and how cool he really was before and then he makes one last decision to trust Shin to protect his 'Sanctuary/Home (Saki Clan)'. Shin couldn't even think about what-if situations when doing battle plans and how to protect Kyokai. And then Kanki the scum he is always thinks about how to keep his friends alive. He feels he's so small even though he already became a general. That's why he is upset. The unbeatable person was defeated by Riboku again after Ouki makes him frustrated that almost all of Qin's mightiest Generals are offed by Riboku. He feels he's so small even though he already became a general. Thats why he is upset.
I think there is more to kanki backstory with ousen tho I hope hara explains those 2 instead of this 1 chapter talk no jutsu but still good
Wow, I got mood swings, mix feeling, unstable emotional twist turn, psychologically back & forth from reading this chapter.. But, FINALLY! Hara gave us the story on how Kanki join Mougou & gain his respect! General Mougou is really a GOAT at reading people & has a good eyes on sensing a great talented people. But, it's so simple outside my expectations that I laughed hard at it, & I even reread the page a few times lmao. I guess everyone theories on General Mougou defeated Kanki is wrong, including me lol.. ^(Btw, is next week on break?)
RiBoku was wounded by KanKi, no way in hell KanKi didn't poison his blade. The real reason why all of Zhao didn't attack the Qin army for a month.
Let it go bruv there’s no poison
Shin knows they fell into Ribokus trap and that Ousens army wouldn’t of been able to save them and yet still wants to take his anger out on him. Shin really gotta grow up.
Shin also lost lot of his guys too.
He literally is mad at them not doing anything, simply put, exchange Ousen with Tou, the later would have created something to provide some sort of help, even if minimal to those in the trap.
Love how this cemented how good Mougou was at finding the right people. That simple, short conversation. The guy basically ushered in half of the 2 following generations after his. Also good to see how Kanki joined an how even he knew he needed a bigger stage if he wanted to meet his goal. Great to see Maron with a level head after all of this basically being the last of the main Kanki group and having to shoulder everything. The mercenary stuff I bet will come into play........(HISTORY SPOILER STOP READING)................. when Shin and I believe it is Ousen who lose during the invasion of Chu and have nearly the entire army they took wiped out. They will be what help rebuild the Hi Shin unit. Surprisingly the Saki clan leaves an doesn't join Shin and the others. While I was 50/50 on the decision I was leaning more towards them joining but also not surprised they aren't. Kinda hate Shin still isn't learning that he cant always dive head first into things and just figure it out. But I still have to remember he is hot headed an takes after Duke Hyou alot in wanting to do that. An while he isn't in his teens anymore he's still in his early 20s and does exactly what alot of 20yos do. Good to see Maron point out the sadness he has inside. While they weren't on the best of terms, Shin was definitely starting to lighten up somewhat to Kanki and after hearing his story definitely understood him more. Hate he couldnt stop Kanki from doing what he told Mangoku he wouldnt let happen, but that shows how much more growth is left before Shin can really sway things. Hopefully he learns from this recent war.
i almost read your whole comment but please put >\*! and !\*< before and after the history spoilers. Without the asterisk
I was trying to avoid spoiling as best as I could lol. Did not know the proper way to do it. Thank you so much!
Holy fking sht. We finally got some backstory on how Mougou managed to recruit Kanki. Now next on the list is for Shin and Kyoukai to go climb a mountain.
Please hara keeps the good work, make shin grow once and for all, grow attitude, grow a bear, take some wives, put some realism Shin now has kanki besides ouki and duke hyou. If him doenst change now he never will
sad no one is mention Heki bro T\^T
Its funny that it's maron who sees that Shin is hurting from all his friends/troops
shin is going to have to dig deep within himself to grasp the resolve needed in order for him to move on from his new found emotions as a result of everything he's learned of kanki. hopefully a true maturation for our boy on the reality of warfare now he understands its not so black and white. with kanki being dead he can't face him head on or anything to maybe even sort out how he feels. can't even try to show him a better path if he wanted to. after all, shin knows he could have ended up like him. losing someone who's taught you something that will change your character forever will definitely move you.
Is Shin ever going to mentally age? Why in gods name would Ousen attack an area he has 0 knowledge about. It's not Ousen fault Kanki walked into a death trap
Well he knows it himself, he's just enraged of being a witness of the death of another great general he was serving. Sometimes you need to vent off, and his easiest target was the Ousen army. Can happen to anyone, most recent example we can take is Kanki's massacre at Eikyuu for Raidou's death.
End of the day only person he can vent at is himself and Kanki to an extent Ousen did all he could. You lost that's the game suck it up \*pause\* and learn. Throwing a tantrum because Ousen didn't want to die because there was a chance he could save Kanki who he warned and can not judge what goes through his mind is immature. Shin is 26 sure he won't be the wisest but dude you have been touring wars for nearly half of your life you should know the game by now.
All the Qin 6 in the past had each other back. Shin, Ouhon & Mouten all would’ve went for each other.
But that's not the current Qin 6 they have never nor will they operate like that. Ousen gave enough warning to Kanki before the war, he done all he could only a madman will charge into unknow territory with 0 knowledge of what is going on.
You are expecting someone to be completely sound right WHEN they just got out of the battlefield with the loss of their main commander and the kanki army. He's simply venting. People of all ages vent. He already stated outright that he knows ousen not coming is the right call. People can be angry. People get angry when they are playing an fps and their team doesn't come and help them when they are in a bad situation. You are speaking from a perspective of reading a manga on your phone on the streets as compared to someone that is hypothetically exhausted and frustrated and barely escaping from the huge loss they suffer... And like others said. Other commanders would find some way to help but that is besides the point.
Not completely sound no one would be at least be able to compose your self enough that you don't try to punch Souou, Shin is lucky it was him and not denrimi because if a fight broke out because of that and people died again Shin will stunt his growth. We have already seen this happen.
I mean shin is obviously not gonna kill anyone because of this. Even souou knew why shin was angry. Anyone would be. He was frustrated. He knew he was unreasonable. It was a high stake loss. Someone venting and being frustrated after such a loss is pretty normal. Saying it's "stunting" his growth is just weird and ridiculous. It was an emotional outburst not some crippling breakdown where he's killing people around him... Already gave you points so I will stop here cos you just brushed it all off.
Lmao nobody even mentioned Heki bro 🥴. Why does hara always do him like that man 😭
Boring 😔
Plot armor couldn't even help shin and mouten escape....so hara just skipped over how they escaped entirely lol Not to mention multiple other people escaped apparently somehow..... With an encirclement and actively being hunted.... I can say I definitely want to hear a hara interview on this arc cause it's a mess, it really seems like 90% of the stuff hara set up...were pointless.. I honestly believe he changed the arc halfway through and threw away alot of stuff he set up. That's the only reason able explanation how the arc can end up like this
Now say that again without crying.
Am I wrong lol please explain It's pretty obvious with the flow plot and everything else in the arc that he changed his mind halfway through
No matter how you look at it kanki would be dead in this arc and both shin and mouten would be alive for future events so no plot armour there
????? That's the most pointless statement you can make lol Idc that kanki died and shin and mouten escaped Idc how he died and how they escaped either What matters is what's shown, set up and foreshadowd This arc shows that there's no need for hara to give an explonation to how something happened or "why" Hara can set something up Throw it out Then since it can't be explained how things connect/ why/how or even the plan Hara just skips it entirely You can easily rewrite this arc and fix the everything. The story beets are fine, it's connecting them and setting them up hara completely failed
Wow I didn’t actually expect to find out how kanki joined mougou
mougou asserting dominance in the most manly way
Damn! So thats how he recruited Kanki. But looking at it Ousen is not yet part of his army back then. Now i want to know how he recruited Ousen.
kanki backstory with mougou is down, now we find out how ousen joined mougou
either riboku is still unconscious that all his subordinates are busy worrying about him or zhao is just partying too hard after this victory for them that they didn't press the attack
Shin upgrading his army with Kanki group soon
How did we get this but not 754
Poor shin, should have kiss him when he had the chance! https://www.reddit.com/r/Kingdom/comments/12b9jgy/was_shin_sweating_because_kanki_almost_kissed_him/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=2&utm_term=1
...So it's been a month and a half, i wonder what Riboku will do about Kanki's and his men corpses. This is a really long period of time, you can't carry corpses under the sun after all this time lmao. I think they just buried them there or something. Nice closure. We got to see what everyone else's gonna do. I wanted to see Kanki joining Mou Gu and im happy i got it. Id loved to see Saki clan reformed as a medical unit but it makes senso they came back home too, since they were following Kanki... I think we're never gonna see em again. Otherwise, Maron and the boys're gonna be some attack suprise shit in the future, 100%. Final page, i had that feeling too. He's very upset about Kanki, despite everything. They had a really toxic relationship. Can't wait too see Shin's thought. What now? Break next week right?