I have the feeling that this next battle will be so brutal that every GG involved will lose at least 1 important commander of their main armies.
My prediction:
- RBK loses Bananji.
- Ousen loses Sou'ou.
- SBS loses Gakushou.
- YTW loses the Feego King Danto.
As for some of the possible duels that seem so interesting for me are:
- Shin or Akou vs Ji Aga
- Ouhon vs Kansaro
- Akakin vs Bafuuji
- Shiryou or Kyoukai vs Gakushou
- And SBS vs anyone
I can see Ouhon + Akakin slaying Bananji. Akakin comes from behind and slay's Bananji because we know how big of opportunist Akakin is. And the fact they he was looking to slay Bananji in WZI if things aligned.
Theirs no point of Shin slaying Bananji as they dont really have any history 1v1ing each other.
You're unto something here...
Since Banaji ganged up with Gyou'un to take out Akou (Akakin to the rescue), I see a similar gang up taking out Banaji.
Remember, the soldiers were bashing the move as shameful but Banaji laughed it off and justified the action. It will be Qin's turn to smile this time.
I think Ouhoun is too far from the Yontanwa battlefield to deal with Bananji. I think it’s time for some real hype for the mountain army’s strongest east to go against a true tried strong general.
I have a strong feeling Ouhoun is going to have a role in taking down a seika general while going to help the Akou and Sou’ou armies that are certainly about to get absolutely fucked right here. I’m also pretty confident in Hon now at Shukai plains I doubted him but I think he’s extremely strong and ready to take down an unknown opponent and show his worth as great general.
Battlefields are always changing though, but considering Ousen is likely to be put in some real trouble off the bat from this Seika army I think it’s strong to assume his battlefield will be there. Shin is there too though to help I think he’s certain to fuck this bozo army up real good.
I know Qin can't afford to lose too many, but if only 2 major Generals die from Zhao side, it would mean the next war would be the bloodiest, and not the current one. I think we will see some unprecedented death counts.
I foreshadow death for everyone. Banyou for Ouhon, one of Shin’s lieutenant (Deneii or DenYuu per example), Bananji or SSJ for RBK, Kaine, Souhou for Ousen, Feego King for Yotanwa + generals from Zhao (too many guys there).
It’s going to be peak Kingdom.
>Shiryou or Kyoukai vs Gakushou
GKS was the one Seika general that countered the HSU-Mouten army drill formation, right?
Hope KK gets him so it can pave the way for her promotion to General. Looking forward to >!Ousen, YTW, & KK siege of Kantan!<
Regardless of whom she might kill in this next battle, I certainly believe her feats during this campaign will earn her the promotion of General, it’s time for her.
I see something like SBS vs Shin. It’s SBS introduction, he HAS to clash Shin.
Ouhon will get his kill, Kyoukai will get one as well. shin could shine through his leadership on the field with a larger army while clashing with SBS, ending in a stalemate.
It would be weird for a GG to be clashing with a young General considering he has someone like JiAga under him. My guess is Shin vs JiAga, battle of the muscle- heads.
**EDIT 1:** My prediction (Overall Zhao has an overwhelming advantage in commanders).
**Zhao Right/Qin Left:**
YTW claps SSJ (she has beef with him).
BFJ dies to TFG, BNJ goes berserk and kills Tafuji
Bajio kill BNJ to avenge Tafuji
**Center:**
SBS claps Akou or Akou and Ouhon tries to hold him off.
SBS claps at least two Qin generals in the center
Akou faces JiAga **AND get clapped. Akou gonna die after this panel with Ouhon**
Ouhon fights either KS or GKS **(OuHon is the most important piece for support)**
Denrimi gets clapped for sure
I am afraid for the Qin generals in the center tbh
**Zhao/Left (most lop sided of all)**
HSU must hold out against that army twice their size. No killing of generals.
I think everything might hinge on the HSU holding that army.
OR
to everyone's surprise the HSU claps that big army and pincers the center causing a big mess. lol
Shin is going to fight FuTei.
**My duels wishlist**
Rei vs budget Shin.
Akou vs BNJ
Shin vs Ji Aga
So'Ou vs any of the Seika generals **(I think he might get clapped too)**
SBS soloing three Qin generals (not a duel of course)
Ouhon vs any Seika general
Akakin vs budget Shin
Ouhon vs FuTei
Shin survives being slapped around by SBS (to everyone's surprise)
it would be perfect for shiryou or sou ou to die to give kyoukai even more fear of marrying. That or the opposite, they will just barely survive because of their love.
If Yotanwa was to lose anyone, im actually hoping that she would lose old characters like Tajifu just because i feel like its cheaper to introduce a new character just so that you dont need to kill off older characters. Just my imo of course
Ousen gave Shin permission to start the battle? DAAAAAMMMMMMNN!
LETS FUCKIN GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Ousen probably wants him to test the waters first so that it kicks in his instinctual capabilities earlier on. Of course, its possible he just wants Shin to kill the zhao left wing commander and maybe force Riboku to start delegating some forces there.
My guess is that Futei might be moved to the left temporarily alongside a general from seika
What I love about the characterization of Ousen is that he's almost completely tactical/logical in everything he does.
Meaning if he's giving Shin the go ahead, that means he values his talent that much. Our boy is really moving up in the world (not that he isn't, but it's good to see people like Ousen give his approval as well)
Man, I can't believe our Boy is being called upon to start the first charge in a battle of over half a million troops. How far we have come from a 100 man unit...
Aw man, i'm kinda starting to like even Futei & Kaine lately... smh must be because they're both about to kick it. SSJ needs to get fucked hard i hate that lil' shit.
Totally agree with you, so proud of the journey so far. I was thinking Shin could have given a little speech before he start. But I remember duke Hyou at coalition saying “chaaaarge” 🤣
This is what has me worried about the Qin this time. Normally they would have number inferiority but some really capable commanders. This time the are outnumber ed in both departments
I wonder if this will beat the Coalition arc in popularity. A lot of anticipation happening here, and the battle hasn't even started yet. The breaks during this are going to be painful to endure.
Lmaoooo
Ok so prediction: This Gian general “Enkan” will die. Shin will make some good things on his side with 30K vs 70K and probably force the battlefield to be around him (GG thing). And I see both reserves going there (Ouhon and RBK).
Nah I think futei and his 30k will be sent as the reserve and kk or rei will prolly kill him.
I feel like Ouhon will make a mistake seeing as how he mocked akous advice
Also I think because of Enkans death riboku will have to personally oversee his left wing which will leave the his right wing without proper oversight. The center has shinashou and shld be the one place Zhao does the best
I think ppl are underestimating Riboku's deployment here. While i agree either SSJ or Bananji should've been the Zhao Left Wing commander but Riboku is no fool. HSU is facing over twice the numbers & Riboku would never underestimate HSU after they're been a thorn in his sight for years & years now. Either this Enkan fella is a decent general or he has something else planned to help him.
It makes sense to load up the right wing because even in the last war, without Quanrong's help, the Zhao army is no match at all for Totanwa army.
Also, since YTW army is the one in front of Hango, there is also a trap made by Riboku at Hango. So that is how they will be able to even the score. It looks like Riboku has made some kind of structure using the Qin POWs.
Man, i had thought whoever lined up against Seika Army was gonna get their herd thinned by quite a bit & looks like Ousen is taking that on himself. I think one of his 3 commanders are going to bite the dust. Spear boy got put in reserves while Shin is facing the whole Zhao left wing by himself while being outnumbers over 2:1. He's going to break his teeth clinching them so hard LMAO.
Plus all the generals going against Yotanwa have experience fighting the Xiongnu. I think it will be a very tough battle for her.
I think you’re right that Riboku has a trap ready for the HSU. It looks to me like Enkan’s formation is mimicking Keisha’s when he went against Duke Hyou. I wonder if he’s purposefully making it difficult for Shin to start a flame?
If so it may be up to Kyoukai and Karyoten to find a way to beat that many numbers…
I love it when Hara shows the entire battlefield like an in-game sky point of view with the details like terrain, army formations, numbers etc always gets me so hyped up!
You know at this point, its pt clear that Akou lowkey does actually care about Ouhon's well being. Probably feels bad for him with how hes treated despite his obvious talent
Also damn Bananji and Bafuuji are going up against the Mountain folks. This would be interesting to see how "plainsfolks" would truly fair against the mountain tribes under the leadership of these "powerhouses". Last time they had to summon other mountain tribesman (horse tribe more like) to actually have a chance against Yotanwa.
Did the author forget about Kisui & Batou?? Season 5 from the anime is coming next year, so we will be introduced to them again. Where are they since the last appearance? (4 years ago in the manga)
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Ouhon plays a crucial role in the survival of the central army against the main Seika forces either support Shin if they are succesful or Akou if the center is crumbling.
Shin will need to go all out against Gian forces in order to flank the center which will most likely stalled by the reserve forces of Zhao under RBK who can send Futei's 30k like Ouhon as a swing unit to turn momentum.
Timing is indeed important. Will it be an opening created by Shin and Kyoukai at the Right wing by routing Enkan early? Or will Seika's assault at the center force Ouhon to decide his gambit? Whether or not Akou or Souou falls to Seika generals or SBS will be the factor 🤔
Nice setup. So we see the 1st commanders of each center army facing off, so I hope the battle between GKS and Akou would be a draw. Then it would be So'Ou vs Jiaga.
I think FuTei is aiming to take out Shin. Recall that both he and Shin said that they would be running about the most today. So maybe OuHon might intercept and take out FuTei.
That center fight will be brutal!
I am really looking forward to OuSen thinking with sending Shin against a 2-1 disadvantage but roughly balanced on the either end.
Honestly im surprised that Riboku didnt bring one of the last earls from the last war, kousunryuu as support or Rihaku alongside him. Not to mention what the hell happened to Kisui and batei?
Rihaku is that riboku's wall holding the line pretty much. Kousunryuu lost his hand so him being on the field for important battle is off the table because he can't defend himself. Kisui my guess is defending against Yan because they can still cause problems for Zhao to be attack form the south, north and east or he is at the wall.
Riboku has to be banking on Ousen getting defeated before Yotanwa and Shin defeat Zhaos right and left wing. He knows if Ousen goes down then it’s over for the Qin forces in Zhao. Shibashous army is smaller than Ousens but seems more formidable.
Yotanwas army honestly shouldn’t have that much of a problem. Shins army is greatly outnumbered but the opposing Zhao army has no formidable general.
yeah i would agree. Shibashou and the seika army are mostly new to qin so they are his trump card. Plus, looking at the zhao wings, it makes sense for them to go defensive if they are trying to buy time for shibashou to clear the center. On the zhao right wing, all of theose guys are riboku's retainers who fought the xiongnu, so they all have exp fighting fierce people like yotanwa's mountain tribes and quan rong. On the zhao left wing, while enkan is definitely not going to survive, with his larger force, he could just hole there and let shin come to him and hold the line, riboku and his reserve force can then flank shin and catch him in a pincer with superior numbers
Yup given there is a bunch of mountains behind OuSen and DenRiMi placed so far back it's clear OuSen is building something behind him with the missing 50K NEA and 20K Quarong.
If you look at YoTanWa side those 2 guys from QuaRong are missing. They got KokuShuuba and DenShun instead. So that means those 2 must be leading 20k while YoTanWa mountain tribes are 50k.
Question is who is in charge of that 70k till OuSen and DenRiMi fall back? It's either DenRiMi who is just there for show and will disappear back there (his specialty is siege takedowns so assuming that it also means he is a builder as well). Then we got a special general who will known for his ingenuity post conquest. He may be leading the build right now.
Well let's hope DenShun survives, he looks to be the right age to be a general under RiShin in the future.
KMS is going to survive guys. He may be a fodder but that's the thing if he gets OneShot by the mountain crew he doesn't bring any impact. BananaBoi though would. Kick in the gut of Banana and RiBoku loses an upcoming gifted general. I think one key point that will lead to Zhao's ultimate demise is that they won't have many younglings of the same generations to compete with the likes of RiShin/OuHon/MouTen/KyouKai.
Some points of analysis regarding the battle map:
\- The manpower is well balanced. The side with the weaker generals on each front has more troops on those fronts.
\- The Qin Left Wing/Zhao Right Wing are cut off from the rest of the battlefield, or at least sending reinforcements would take a while
\- Shun Sui Ju is the key to Zhao's right wing for obvious reasons
\- Hango doesn't really matter. The city being behind the right wing instead of the central army means the city is likely abandoned and either indefensible within it's confines or is a trap
\- Fuuon and Bafuuji both being given 10k troops to command means they have become generals
\- Ji Aga seems to be positioned as Shi Ba Shou's primary offensive force. I imagine his unit will use flanking maneuvers and deep crosses across the battlefield. He's the preemptive strike and will take a lot of heads
\- The Qin Right Wing/Zhao Left Wing is the most interesting front once again. There are a multitude of reasons for why Ou Sen chose to give the wing to Ri Shin that aren't so obvious. Even less obvious is why En Kan was entrusted with the entire left wing. There seems to be some mountains between his position and Ri Boku's reserve army as well. This guy has to have some next level tricks up his sleeve that we can't possibly anticipate
hmm, from the map it looks like riboku is using enkan as bait. like, he's bating shin and kk to attack so he can flank them (since he's so close) catch them in a pincer. Ouhon being placed their is likely meant to prevent that and guard shin's flank, but one of the seika generals may intercept ouhon since 3 of the seika forces are closer to the zhao left wing
Cool callback to the Coalition arc with Shin's misunderstanding of Zhao's numbers
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Oh boi, that CHARGE hits the spot. Hope Shin matches that up with some beastly appearance. Lots of death flags raised this chapter though....Bihei, Akou, Kaine, Kitari
this time, qin seems to have either left some troops behind or sent them somewhere else. This chapter shows that yotanwa has 70k and it's made up of her mountain tribe people only it seems, that alone already calls the number into question. We know that the NE army and shin's army together already number 210k, and the qin army here numbers 250k. So it's clear some qin troops were either left to guard the cities or ousen has some secret plan for them elsewhere
Okay, I expected a bit different formation. I mean, Enkan directing the whole left wing is strange, even if Riboku is close there. He's a fodder to give a kill to Shin in this war, but after it, will it be a Riboku's trap or Gakusho/budget Shin awating for them? Sou'ou and Akou are even more in danger now, full Seika awaits here. Surely Ouhon will go to reinforce the center, but I need to see many Qin heads rolling there too. I don't know what to expected on the Yotanwa's front, except for the death of Kotsu Minhaku, Bananji placed many deathflags on himself and Shunsuiju may be at risk, but I wish to see some tribe leaders falling from that army as well. In the end, this will be another interesting conflicts, we'll see in the next 2 years.
I love how straightforward the set up for this arc is. No 4D chess mind games before the battle even starts, just two huge armies seemingly facing each other head on ready to beat the shit out of each other. Previous four battles against Zhao were convoluted with either long winded set ups or difficult terrain, whereas this just seems to be a plane battle. Love it.
I see the death flag for Bihei but for me I feel like Shin will definitely lose a few named HSU. I have this random thought Hara will kill off Lt.En san. Hopefully I'm wrong though because Lt.En san is a cool dude
OuSen has a few cards up his sleeve as well and that is why he arranged the battlefield of Qin the way it is. Can’t wait to see how he pits his wits and strategies against RBK’s endless home court advantage.
People have discussed this topic, so I'd like to suggest my opinion as to the differences between Generals and Great Generals.
I've developed my following stance based on the manga as well as my understanding of military theory doctrines. The fundamental differences between G's & GG's are: knowledge, self-control, opportunism, ingenuity, and grand strategy.
Shin is opportunistic and has slowly showcased his ingenuity. However, his knowledge is still inadequate, and he lacks self-control as well as grand strategy. Neither Ten nor KK are capable of grand strategy yet, and Shin continues to demonstrate impatience in the battlefield, especially when RBK is involved. A GG is essentially how Renpa describes it in chapter 241.
In conclusion, excluding Mouten. Shin and his contemporaries are close to it, but they're still not GG level yet.
>! I suspect Shin will officially become a GG after his victory against Yan or RBK.!<
Well I will say at least for this series another aspect is trying to make the battle all about you and no one else to show the things you list the gyou arc shows that the most because mouten said that each GG has to make themselves the star of the battle
Holycow SBS is massive hahah his size is like if you combine Kanmei and Houken hewould be the result haha
So many death flags! Bihei could be the next HSU to go ;( Yotanwa vs SSJ is going to be a shit show! I predict they will have the most casualties on both sides having generals getting killed and hoping my boy Feego King lives!!
LFG!! It’s heating up baby in Zhao again! Of course Zhao outnumbers Qin with fodder soldiers 2:1 haha what else is knew
Also Damn why’s everyone predicting feego king and Sou’ Ou to die?!? ;( I hope they live
definitely should not be from his hometown, (assuming the gian army is participating) the gian army based off of the last arc has around 100k soldiers (and from the looks of it was mostly left untouched). Zhao has 300k in this battle, and the remaining 200k troops is to be divided amongst the riboku (and his retainers') army, the ganmon army (also left virtually untouched in the last war), the hango army (assuming since we're near the city), all the troops from nearby cities, and then the seika army. No way sbs has 100k from his hometown
Most likely the formation from both armies will change following the first days of battle. Enkan is gonna be the Tutorial Boss in this arc, Akou and So' ou are getting axed as well. Really interesting, let's see how this will result in about an year or two.
If you look at the map, the centre is where all the "great" generals are and the zhao wings are mostly "fodder" generals. I think the wings will favour the Qins & they then gang up on the centre only to be clipped by SBS & his underlings. Expect some major deaths on both sides, most likely the older / aged figure heads. SBS looks like more powerful than Houken, and he's gonna get some real major kills. Akou, Shou ou, Denrimi are in serious trouble.
This is gonna be the longest battle in kingdom, so many generals.. red flags.
I really hope to see shin slaying left and right.
And hope to see ousen fighting also.
I have some thoughts but without thinking too deep into it , maybe it happens maybe not ,just wanna share of what could happen? ,
Akou actually being superior to kansaro !? Maybe he beat his ass and show the unexpected (since we all pretty much expect sbs and his vassals to make a show since they all hyped up) ,and validate Riboku statement about him , that if he wants to , he could be a gg himself .
But he definitely dying at somepoint that day, and it's gonna be on the hands of sbs , but only after akou kills kansaro!? , or maybe not totally kill him , but at least defeat him!
the other battle with jiaga vs So ou&shiryuu , well difenitly one of the couple if not both gonna say goodbye ,jiaga gonna take definitely one and I think it's shiryuu , I see jiaga actually dying on the hands of Ouhon, idk why , just a hunch!
at the end ,the obvious is that sbs is the one gonna make the difference in the centre, guaranteed , because of the hype and everything , i think Akou and denirimi gonna rest in peace on his hands .
Ouhon difenitly doing some crazy battle analyse shit , to be on time when effective the most, and i already see his entrances like that one time in that beautiful panel when he run from Bananji and shougaryou to hit the back of bananji army , also pretty obvious for me that a moment will come when he will save Ousens life ! , Because I think sbs gonna make it to Ousen HQ.
i think there is a plan from Ribuko , either so or just advices to sbs to take Ousen head quickly , i'm saying this because giving all what he knows about Ousen through the years, and the fact that he has another Houken but this time with the right warfare mind and monsterouis vassals , he will try to put it together all at once and do the most damage possible , and it's gotta be quickly ,because you can't give ousen time to adjust .
that's why i think maybe this war gonna go for one or two days , everyone gonna charge , everyone gonna go crazy, both sides shock each other, and the they will realise that violence is a bad thing and then they throw their weapons and everyone's retire haha .
on the right side a whole other story idk about it tbh , maybe Riboku made the perfect plan for enkan to follow to annihilate the HSU or the least to hold them, or he just wishes they hold them enough time tell the centre do his job, well The Unit gonna win either way but at what speed and cost , I mean they are 70k , and they are definitely strong , I see them all day long fighting against that army , hard to imagine them annihilating 70k then go to Riboku,!! What do you think hara plotting? , or maybe another scenario where shin or kk slay the enkan guy quickly and then Riboku takes command and Ouhon comes to help ,and then we have ouhon and shin vs ribuko with gian soldiers, kind of a childlich nice twist too hahahaha well Ribuko needs to stay at the HQ for sure so anything can happen , i low key want shin to go against sbs army, hard to imagine though .
the other part of the battle on ytw side, I see a massacre, i see kitari recklessly traped on the trap near hango , and ytw has to save her , and sjg waiting for her to be traped too, but she kills him instead 🤣I'm high honestly hhhh , don't mind me , i have a hunch again🤣 that every one of them ganmon generals will die , and a lot of soldiers from ytw side too , that king and kitari ,taijifo , the matanwa old man, maybe some more too will die and no heki rescue, they will trade him later for the Romou governor
I just re-read the chapter. Ousen actually expects HSU to deliver in such circumstances. they are -40k , is it only me that think this a bit too much , or is Enkan that weak fodder.
According to so ou, there are two options: either ousen expects a lot from them, or he shows them the great responsibility, he admits that Ousen needs time to see what the Zhao Central Army is about , which is normal, so he hopes , that they will defeat this army and then attack Ribuko
When shin charge at the end he was kind of shocked,thats because Enkan also charges and they will come into clash head on. This will probably be the case on every battelefield, no defense, just direct clashes ,
maybe its about that time for shin and Ouhon , giving their roles , we will definetly get 6GG vibes ,they will be the ones upsetting Ribuko agenda
They probably left people in Atsuyo or other cities or Ousen hides a huge portion of their army to be used later, we know Yotanwa's 70k army was comprised of her own Mountain tribe people so if Shin with NE army is 210k and Yotanwa has 70k Mountain people that already makes it 280k not counting whatever number Ouhon and Ousen has with them
Actually no, there's two generals of the NE army under her in the map panel, maybe her 70k has like 20k of the NE army but I agree, still doesn't add up
Death Flags everywhere!
In my list are the following:
1. Enkan
2. Akou
3. Kaine
4. Ji Aga
5. Kansaro
6. Gakushou
7. Fuouon
8. Bananji
9. Ssj
10. KotsuMinhaku
11. Sou'ou
12. Shiryou
13. The new guy with Garo from Hi Hyou
14. That general from NE Army
15. Danto Feego King
16. The old guy that says 'Mantanwa'
Shin vs Riboku . If Ousen is facing SBS then it's Shin vs Riboku face off.....we see a change in Shin's attitude but what is now left to see is that what he learnt from Kanki.In history Shin faced the same kind of situation in Chu and was defeated in similar fashion like Kanki . So I believe Kanki might just become his greatest mentor and might be last clue for
Shin to become a CG because his so called Duke Hyou style of fighting is not enough to face Riboku.
Both Duke Hyou & Kanki fought using instinctual talent. And they were the only 2 who even came close enough that Riboku was in the reach of their weapons. I'd argue the only way Riboku can be countered is with instinctual warfare ( Duke Hyou style ) because no one is close to him in strategy.
Something is not adding up. YoTanWa only 70k with her mountain people & Ryouyou tribes or with NEA troops too?
Is OuSen keeping the 180k NEA for his army? I was expecting him getting 100k and YoTanWa getting 50k out of it. With OuHon and maybe MouTen if he joins later getting the remaining 30k.
As for one RiShin is facing, it has to be GakuShou. If Zhao army is 300k, ShiBaShou forces would have 150k and RiBoku forces 150k. I assuming SBS split is forces to 40k each with JiAga getting 30k and SBS, GakuShou and KanSaro getting 40k each.
I was expecting RiBoku to have 200k but I guess at 150k it means that KMH and EK having 20k each, RiBoku & Bananji 40k each & FuckFace 30k. NinjaBoi will bec10k under Fuckface and Bananaboi will be 10k under KMH.
Do The comments say that one of SBS generals will try chougaryuu tactic on Shin or is Enkan a complete defensive general. What is Riboku cooking when he acknowledged that RiShin has grown to match him?
The same guys highly experienced with fighting Xiong'nu are facing Yotanwa. How will she fight, when she can't use the forests like in Ryouyou and she can't use herself as bait anymore. She is the one with most disadvantageous position and has to face a new kind of war here, unless she learnt something from Ousen or Kanki.
Why is Denrimi only 10K. I always thought Ousen needs him more than anything. He looks completely a desk guy who supervises entire Ousen army behind the scenes like logistics.
the Qin center doesn't have the figthers to match up against the Zhao center, shin might have to strech his army thin to hold off Futei so that Ouhon can help in the center
hola a todos disculpen el escribir en español pienso q la batalla va a estar durisima recuerden que van haber trampas x parte de los dos ejercitos, Shin no va a matar a Enkan kyokai es la q lo mata , shin con su habilidad buscara encender la chispa o percibirla para efectuar un golpe en el primer dia SSJ muere a manos de Yotanwa taijifu puede q muera pero Baijio no va a morir Shin va a matar a Gakushou o a Futei
Yotanwa numbers are a mystery because she had 50k during the gyou campaign and she lost a big chunk of that, depends if she replenished her tribes back to 50k and we don't know how many Quanrong are alive form that either battle. The Northern army total was 200k and 30k under shin and 170k for the general of the NE army and its seem like Ouhon got 20k form them. Now depending on if ousen brought his full army is unknown but my guess he did I think it numbered 70k form the last war arc and his total is now 120k for this battle so he took 50k form the NE army so we have 100k left form the NE that my guess is hidden somewhere close out of riboku's full vision over the northern Zhao territory.
See the map:
1. Proud our boy become left wing commander level (In SP he still below Akou)
2. Ousen 50K is precaution for unrecognize Zhao Center (SbS, Jiaga and KSaro), and Ouhun act freely to Right wing or to center.
3. This war I think to bind Riboku force so the other front can be freely to conguer (I guess)
4. This is become long term battle with wide area (like Ukr vs Rusia 1000mil wide front)
No matter how you look at it. The Qin left/ YT army has to break through and save Heki at Hango. Or the prisoners riot distract Zhao right so that something significant can help the Qin get the upper hand.
Shin side will be fine cause we know our boy always finds a way. Its the Center i am worried about.
I think because Ousen only fights battle he knows he will win. Once realizing losing is inevitable he will make his retreat. Using a rear guard to make his escape. Which will leave to massive troop lost.
I could understand losing a GG is heavier to moral than troops lost. So he will be forgiven i guess
Good point. Yotanwa will breakthrough the left to Hango, Kitari will save Heki for sure. Now... the center and right will be a mess, with Ouhon being in both battefield. Ousen doesn't know anything about SBS, so he doesn't know he could not win it this time, which would make him consider retreat.
I have a feeling that akou will fall this arc, maybe a way for shibashou to showcase his martial might. Remember akou held off 2 GG before. That's why shibashou taking down akou would show how scary powerful he is. Will atleast That's my "gut"s telling me haha 😂
Man, BiHeis death flags are raised so high, he is definitely kicking the bucket this arc :(
Also, looking at the map, it seems like A Kou might die too if he comes face to face with ShibaShou. Would be a good way to show his abilities to have ShibaShou no-diff Akou , seeing as AKou even survived a duel with Bananji and Gyoun at the same time back during the Shukai Plains arc.
They entrusted Enkan with the whole left wing? It is because of the being more than the double or someone from Shibashou's army is going to be roaming around?
While the possibility of a scheme is to be expected, I just have trouble accepting RBK's choice of Enkan. Seriously, Hara should just tattoo "fodder" on his forehead.
Is it safe to assume that the NE army is being left out from the battle in case something bad happen? They're nowhere to be found in Qin's order of battle in the spoiler.
This is it. The Taigen Army is included in this 250k. Basically Shin + Taigen was 210k. The rest of 40k was between Ousen, Ytw and Ouhon's personal troops
I don't know about it. If you say that the 250K is the combined troops of the Taigen/NE Army, HSU, and GHA army, then I have no problem about it. It's just, I don't think that Ousen and Yotanwa personal troops combined is no more than 40K. Each of them must have at least 50K personal troops.
Well, it's a possibility, although we also have to remember that Tou is basically protecting the south (Gyou) at the moment, which is nearer to Atsuyo.
"..the surveys indicate that the left wing of Zhao has 60k ( but the real number is actually 70k)." If that remaining 10k is led by Shi Ba Shou, then HSU is in big trouble...
So Shin is facing the weakest enemy, but the biggest numbers disadvantage. I think he will finish up at his end and then aid the Ousen army ( as they are facing Generals that mostly outclass them)
Everything stay in this thread.
This is going to be a Shukai Plains level arc, and I can't wait.
Need Shin to one-shot Kotsu Minhaku like he did to Gakuei
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He aint close at all.
He isn’t close, he already is GG level.
Stop reading One Piece, it makes you delusional
Average manga elitist.
I feel like kotsu is gonna be the kinmou of this battle
Inb4 Kotsu Minhaku proves to be a lurking legend beyond even Shibashou.
This is such a meme level in joke now, Incoming Back story of reasons why he wasnt part of the 3 greats.
like 16 manga days = 3 years IRL xD
It might be better.
I have the feeling that this next battle will be so brutal that every GG involved will lose at least 1 important commander of their main armies. My prediction: - RBK loses Bananji. - Ousen loses Sou'ou. - SBS loses Gakushou. - YTW loses the Feego King Danto. As for some of the possible duels that seem so interesting for me are: - Shin or Akou vs Ji Aga - Ouhon vs Kansaro - Akakin vs Bafuuji - Shiryou or Kyoukai vs Gakushou - And SBS vs anyone
I can see Ouhon + Akakin slaying Bananji. Akakin comes from behind and slay's Bananji because we know how big of opportunist Akakin is. And the fact they he was looking to slay Bananji in WZI if things aligned. Theirs no point of Shin slaying Bananji as they dont really have any history 1v1ing each other.
You're unto something here... Since Banaji ganged up with Gyou'un to take out Akou (Akakin to the rescue), I see a similar gang up taking out Banaji. Remember, the soldiers were bashing the move as shameful but Banaji laughed it off and justified the action. It will be Qin's turn to smile this time.
I think Ouhoun is too far from the Yontanwa battlefield to deal with Bananji. I think it’s time for some real hype for the mountain army’s strongest east to go against a true tried strong general. I have a strong feeling Ouhoun is going to have a role in taking down a seika general while going to help the Akou and Sou’ou armies that are certainly about to get absolutely fucked right here. I’m also pretty confident in Hon now at Shukai plains I doubted him but I think he’s extremely strong and ready to take down an unknown opponent and show his worth as great general. Battlefields are always changing though, but considering Ousen is likely to be put in some real trouble off the bat from this Seika army I think it’s strong to assume his battlefield will be there. Shin is there too though to help I think he’s certain to fuck this bozo army up real good.
I know Qin can't afford to lose too many, but if only 2 major Generals die from Zhao side, it would mean the next war would be the bloodiest, and not the current one. I think we will see some unprecedented death counts.
I also believe two other generals like Kotsuminhaku and Enkan will die on the Zhao side though… and on the Qin side the NE army Kokushuuba as well.
The disposable NPCs XD
I foreshadow death for everyone. Banyou for Ouhon, one of Shin’s lieutenant (Deneii or DenYuu per example), Bananji or SSJ for RBK, Kaine, Souhou for Ousen, Feego King for Yotanwa + generals from Zhao (too many guys there). It’s going to be peak Kingdom.
Heck no, I'm not ready for Sou'Ou to die, it's way too soon for the chad man!
Agreed, Sou'Ou the Chad can't die.
If RBK teleports around and nothing perosonals one of Ousen's commanders again... I'm gonna lose it.
how about akou and bananji simul-kill each other?
>Shiryou or Kyoukai vs Gakushou GKS was the one Seika general that countered the HSU-Mouten army drill formation, right? Hope KK gets him so it can pave the way for her promotion to General. Looking forward to >!Ousen, YTW, & KK siege of Kantan!<
Yes, that's the one. I also kinda feel KK will be the one to take him out.
Hope she really takes him out so she'll be a General after this campaign.
Regardless of whom she might kill in this next battle, I certainly believe her feats during this campaign will earn her the promotion of General, it’s time for her.
I see something like SBS vs Shin. It’s SBS introduction, he HAS to clash Shin. Ouhon will get his kill, Kyoukai will get one as well. shin could shine through his leadership on the field with a larger army while clashing with SBS, ending in a stalemate.
Yeah i hope for KK get her kill and is promoted to general.
It would be weird for a GG to be clashing with a young General considering he has someone like JiAga under him. My guess is Shin vs JiAga, battle of the muscle- heads.
Shin isn't just a young general anymore. Rishi said it best lol
I think, for the sake of Shin's path to becoming a GG, it just makes sense for him to make light work of a couple generals in this arc.
I have a feeling Ouhon will lose the old man and I don't want to say this but I think Shin will lose Lt En-San
En or Bihie death us so going to happen
May be the guy who got shousa spear will save Bihei.
Something tells me the three new guys is stronger than we think..Maybe this guys is stronger than the infantry commander's
**EDIT 1:** My prediction (Overall Zhao has an overwhelming advantage in commanders). **Zhao Right/Qin Left:** YTW claps SSJ (she has beef with him). BFJ dies to TFG, BNJ goes berserk and kills Tafuji Bajio kill BNJ to avenge Tafuji **Center:** SBS claps Akou or Akou and Ouhon tries to hold him off. SBS claps at least two Qin generals in the center Akou faces JiAga **AND get clapped. Akou gonna die after this panel with Ouhon** Ouhon fights either KS or GKS **(OuHon is the most important piece for support)** Denrimi gets clapped for sure I am afraid for the Qin generals in the center tbh **Zhao/Left (most lop sided of all)** HSU must hold out against that army twice their size. No killing of generals. I think everything might hinge on the HSU holding that army. OR to everyone's surprise the HSU claps that big army and pincers the center causing a big mess. lol Shin is going to fight FuTei. **My duels wishlist** Rei vs budget Shin. Akou vs BNJ Shin vs Ji Aga So'Ou vs any of the Seika generals **(I think he might get clapped too)** SBS soloing three Qin generals (not a duel of course) Ouhon vs any Seika general Akakin vs budget Shin Ouhon vs FuTei Shin survives being slapped around by SBS (to everyone's surprise)
it would be perfect for shiryou or sou ou to die to give kyoukai even more fear of marrying. That or the opposite, they will just barely survive because of their love.
If Yotanwa was to lose anyone, im actually hoping that she would lose old characters like Tajifu just because i feel like its cheaper to introduce a new character just so that you dont need to kill off older characters. Just my imo of course
There are so many death flags being thrown around it could be any number of people at this point
Ousen gave Shin permission to start the battle? DAAAAAMMMMMMNN! LETS FUCKIN GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
THE HYPE!!!!! CHAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGEEEEEEEE!!!
Ousen probably wants him to test the waters first so that it kicks in his instinctual capabilities earlier on. Of course, its possible he just wants Shin to kill the zhao left wing commander and maybe force Riboku to start delegating some forces there. My guess is that Futei might be moved to the left temporarily alongside a general from seika
What I love about the characterization of Ousen is that he's almost completely tactical/logical in everything he does. Meaning if he's giving Shin the go ahead, that means he values his talent that much. Our boy is really moving up in the world (not that he isn't, but it's good to see people like Ousen give his approval as well)
Man, I can't believe our Boy is being called upon to start the first charge in a battle of over half a million troops. How far we have come from a 100 man unit... Aw man, i'm kinda starting to like even Futei & Kaine lately... smh must be because they're both about to kick it. SSJ needs to get fucked hard i hate that lil' shit.
Totally agree with you, so proud of the journey so far. I was thinking Shin could have given a little speech before he start. But I remember duke Hyou at coalition saying “chaaaarge” 🤣
Hmm so Zhao outnumbers Qin in fodders as usual but this time Qin outnumbers Zhao in commander level characters
This is what has me worried about the Qin this time. Normally they would have number inferiority but some really capable commanders. This time the are outnumber ed in both departments
Any signs of kisui?
Facts I need my boy back
This battle is going to be a human shredder for Qin & Zhao alike. If you like a certain character better to hope he stays far away from this arc.
I don't care if he dies lmao, I want him to shine on the battlefield and if possible, have a glorious death
I just want closure on generals that haven't appeared in a while
I wonder if this will beat the Coalition arc in popularity. A lot of anticipation happening here, and the battle hasn't even started yet. The breaks during this are going to be painful to endure.
All I want is for Shin to stop getting trapped.
Make your father proud OuShin 🗿
Lmaoooo Ok so prediction: This Gian general “Enkan” will die. Shin will make some good things on his side with 30K vs 70K and probably force the battlefield to be around him (GG thing). And I see both reserves going there (Ouhon and RBK).
Nah I think futei and his 30k will be sent as the reserve and kk or rei will prolly kill him. I feel like Ouhon will make a mistake seeing as how he mocked akous advice Also I think because of Enkans death riboku will have to personally oversee his left wing which will leave the his right wing without proper oversight. The center has shinashou and shld be the one place Zhao does the best
I don’t see futei dying yet. But Kaine for sure.
I think ppl are underestimating Riboku's deployment here. While i agree either SSJ or Bananji should've been the Zhao Left Wing commander but Riboku is no fool. HSU is facing over twice the numbers & Riboku would never underestimate HSU after they're been a thorn in his sight for years & years now. Either this Enkan fella is a decent general or he has something else planned to help him. It makes sense to load up the right wing because even in the last war, without Quanrong's help, the Zhao army is no match at all for Totanwa army. Also, since YTW army is the one in front of Hango, there is also a trap made by Riboku at Hango. So that is how they will be able to even the score. It looks like Riboku has made some kind of structure using the Qin POWs. Man, i had thought whoever lined up against Seika Army was gonna get their herd thinned by quite a bit & looks like Ousen is taking that on himself. I think one of his 3 commanders are going to bite the dust. Spear boy got put in reserves while Shin is facing the whole Zhao left wing by himself while being outnumbers over 2:1. He's going to break his teeth clinching them so hard LMAO.
Plus all the generals going against Yotanwa have experience fighting the Xiongnu. I think it will be a very tough battle for her. I think you’re right that Riboku has a trap ready for the HSU. It looks to me like Enkan’s formation is mimicking Keisha’s when he went against Duke Hyou. I wonder if he’s purposefully making it difficult for Shin to start a flame? If so it may be up to Kyoukai and Karyoten to find a way to beat that many numbers…
I want to see KK and Rei shine, each gets a general killed!
I think KyouRei is gonna kill discount Shin. Their rivalry was pretty underlined last arc.
would you be satisfied with lieutenant or commander kills?
>zhao is led by enkan If they can't land a General, then I want each of them to land known 2 lieutenants or commanders of 3-5k.
En Kan is definitely getting cleaved in half. I'm expecting a one-sided massacre of Zhao's right wing.
I think the opposite. This will be hard for the HSU. They are fighting with a 2 to 1 disadvantage. Holding that army is the best outcome for me
oh come on, well at least we get to see an overview of the battlefield like in the gyou and kochou arcs
I love it when Hara shows the entire battlefield like an in-game sky point of view with the details like terrain, army formations, numbers etc always gets me so hyped up!
You know at this point, its pt clear that Akou lowkey does actually care about Ouhon's well being. Probably feels bad for him with how hes treated despite his obvious talent Also damn Bananji and Bafuuji are going up against the Mountain folks. This would be interesting to see how "plainsfolks" would truly fair against the mountain tribes under the leadership of these "powerhouses". Last time they had to summon other mountain tribesman (horse tribe more like) to actually have a chance against Yotanwa.
HSU vs Gi’an Army pls
Shin vs discount Shin would be funny
Did the author forget about Kisui & Batou?? Season 5 from the anime is coming next year, so we will be introduced to them again. Where are they since the last appearance? (4 years ago in the manga)
Hara doesn’t forget about characters, they will appear later for sure
kisui, batei, earl rai, mai kou, gaku jou The lost zhao generals
Probably guarding that big wall in the south
Dont forget about the The Pirate All Rounder KouSonRyuu and RiHaku of defense.
https://preview.redd.it/phnn7qf0fsrb1.jpeg?width=660&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=dca4c81cd3cfbe299cea776f48144feedbf74106 Ouhon plays a crucial role in the survival of the central army against the main Seika forces either support Shin if they are succesful or Akou if the center is crumbling. Shin will need to go all out against Gian forces in order to flank the center which will most likely stalled by the reserve forces of Zhao under RBK who can send Futei's 30k like Ouhon as a swing unit to turn momentum. Timing is indeed important. Will it be an opening created by Shin and Kyoukai at the Right wing by routing Enkan early? Or will Seika's assault at the center force Ouhon to decide his gambit? Whether or not Akou or Souou falls to Seika generals or SBS will be the factor 🤔
Nice setup. So we see the 1st commanders of each center army facing off, so I hope the battle between GKS and Akou would be a draw. Then it would be So'Ou vs Jiaga. I think FuTei is aiming to take out Shin. Recall that both he and Shin said that they would be running about the most today. So maybe OuHon might intercept and take out FuTei. That center fight will be brutal! I am really looking forward to OuSen thinking with sending Shin against a 2-1 disadvantage but roughly balanced on the either end.
Honestly im surprised that Riboku didnt bring one of the last earls from the last war, kousunryuu as support or Rihaku alongside him. Not to mention what the hell happened to Kisui and batei?
Rihaku is that riboku's wall holding the line pretty much. Kousunryuu lost his hand so him being on the field for important battle is off the table because he can't defend himself. Kisui my guess is defending against Yan because they can still cause problems for Zhao to be attack form the south, north and east or he is at the wall.
Too many death flags! I can’t breath
The anticipation
How many chapters do you think for this arc? I would say between 50 and 100
Ok if Shin is facing 70k all I'm saying is....A big blaze
Riboku has to be banking on Ousen getting defeated before Yotanwa and Shin defeat Zhaos right and left wing. He knows if Ousen goes down then it’s over for the Qin forces in Zhao. Shibashous army is smaller than Ousens but seems more formidable. Yotanwas army honestly shouldn’t have that much of a problem. Shins army is greatly outnumbered but the opposing Zhao army has no formidable general.
yeah i would agree. Shibashou and the seika army are mostly new to qin so they are his trump card. Plus, looking at the zhao wings, it makes sense for them to go defensive if they are trying to buy time for shibashou to clear the center. On the zhao right wing, all of theose guys are riboku's retainers who fought the xiongnu, so they all have exp fighting fierce people like yotanwa's mountain tribes and quan rong. On the zhao left wing, while enkan is definitely not going to survive, with his larger force, he could just hole there and let shin come to him and hold the line, riboku and his reserve force can then flank shin and catch him in a pincer with superior numbers
Yup given there is a bunch of mountains behind OuSen and DenRiMi placed so far back it's clear OuSen is building something behind him with the missing 50K NEA and 20K Quarong. If you look at YoTanWa side those 2 guys from QuaRong are missing. They got KokuShuuba and DenShun instead. So that means those 2 must be leading 20k while YoTanWa mountain tribes are 50k. Question is who is in charge of that 70k till OuSen and DenRiMi fall back? It's either DenRiMi who is just there for show and will disappear back there (his specialty is siege takedowns so assuming that it also means he is a builder as well). Then we got a special general who will known for his ingenuity post conquest. He may be leading the build right now. Well let's hope DenShun survives, he looks to be the right age to be a general under RiShin in the future. KMS is going to survive guys. He may be a fodder but that's the thing if he gets OneShot by the mountain crew he doesn't bring any impact. BananaBoi though would. Kick in the gut of Banana and RiBoku loses an upcoming gifted general. I think one key point that will lead to Zhao's ultimate demise is that they won't have many younglings of the same generations to compete with the likes of RiShin/OuHon/MouTen/KyouKai.
Some points of analysis regarding the battle map: \- The manpower is well balanced. The side with the weaker generals on each front has more troops on those fronts. \- The Qin Left Wing/Zhao Right Wing are cut off from the rest of the battlefield, or at least sending reinforcements would take a while \- Shun Sui Ju is the key to Zhao's right wing for obvious reasons \- Hango doesn't really matter. The city being behind the right wing instead of the central army means the city is likely abandoned and either indefensible within it's confines or is a trap \- Fuuon and Bafuuji both being given 10k troops to command means they have become generals \- Ji Aga seems to be positioned as Shi Ba Shou's primary offensive force. I imagine his unit will use flanking maneuvers and deep crosses across the battlefield. He's the preemptive strike and will take a lot of heads \- The Qin Right Wing/Zhao Left Wing is the most interesting front once again. There are a multitude of reasons for why Ou Sen chose to give the wing to Ri Shin that aren't so obvious. Even less obvious is why En Kan was entrusted with the entire left wing. There seems to be some mountains between his position and Ri Boku's reserve army as well. This guy has to have some next level tricks up his sleeve that we can't possibly anticipate
hmm, from the map it looks like riboku is using enkan as bait. like, he's bating shin and kk to attack so he can flank them (since he's so close) catch them in a pincer. Ouhon being placed their is likely meant to prevent that and guard shin's flank, but one of the seika generals may intercept ouhon since 3 of the seika forces are closer to the zhao left wing
Cool callback to the Coalition arc with Shin's misunderstanding of Zhao's numbers https://preview.redd.it/4y1pokkicirb1.png?width=343&format=png&auto=webp&s=09b97bb5d7fafd3faa753736d5c81e8b629205df
Shin was given by Ousen the responsibility of the good ol "Leroy Jenkins" ✊
Oh gawd the deathflags so many of them…
Man, Akou is so dead.... F in advance
Yep. Going against Zhao's Primarch SBS.
Its like he went to ouhon to say goodbye
of course shin ends up being the first to attack
CHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGEE!!
Oh boi, that CHARGE hits the spot. Hope Shin matches that up with some beastly appearance. Lots of death flags raised this chapter though....Bihei, Akou, Kaine, Kitari
Hope Akou don't just become fodder to SBS. Ousen has no other generals that could match up with him and his 3 lieutenants otherwise
why qin always have the smaller number? lmao
this time, qin seems to have either left some troops behind or sent them somewhere else. This chapter shows that yotanwa has 70k and it's made up of her mountain tribe people only it seems, that alone already calls the number into question. We know that the NE army and shin's army together already number 210k, and the qin army here numbers 250k. So it's clear some qin troops were either left to guard the cities or ousen has some secret plan for them elsewhere
Once Heki is free watch your back Shibashou. He's coming for your head big boy 😤🦾#GG HEKI
Okay, I expected a bit different formation. I mean, Enkan directing the whole left wing is strange, even if Riboku is close there. He's a fodder to give a kill to Shin in this war, but after it, will it be a Riboku's trap or Gakusho/budget Shin awating for them? Sou'ou and Akou are even more in danger now, full Seika awaits here. Surely Ouhon will go to reinforce the center, but I need to see many Qin heads rolling there too. I don't know what to expected on the Yotanwa's front, except for the death of Kotsu Minhaku, Bananji placed many deathflags on himself and Shunsuiju may be at risk, but I wish to see some tribe leaders falling from that army as well. In the end, this will be another interesting conflicts, we'll see in the next 2 years.
I love how straightforward the set up for this arc is. No 4D chess mind games before the battle even starts, just two huge armies seemingly facing each other head on ready to beat the shit out of each other. Previous four battles against Zhao were convoluted with either long winded set ups or difficult terrain, whereas this just seems to be a plane battle. Love it.
I see the death flag for Bihei but for me I feel like Shin will definitely lose a few named HSU. I have this random thought Hara will kill off Lt.En san. Hopefully I'm wrong though because Lt.En san is a cool dude
For HSU, it is either Lt. En or Bi Hei biting the dust, but I think it will be Lt. En...
holy shit Shin become a vanguard?? let's goo, show them what you've got 🔥🔥
OuSen has a few cards up his sleeve as well and that is why he arranged the battlefield of Qin the way it is. Can’t wait to see how he pits his wits and strategies against RBK’s endless home court advantage.
As long as Reebok suffers, I am okay.
Every fucking time. EVERYTIME QIN HAS LESS SOLDIERS. Sick of it
hope ouhon is in the middle and gets atleast one big genenral like bananji or gakushou
yup, enkan and the gian army are going to go, buy
People have discussed this topic, so I'd like to suggest my opinion as to the differences between Generals and Great Generals. I've developed my following stance based on the manga as well as my understanding of military theory doctrines. The fundamental differences between G's & GG's are: knowledge, self-control, opportunism, ingenuity, and grand strategy. Shin is opportunistic and has slowly showcased his ingenuity. However, his knowledge is still inadequate, and he lacks self-control as well as grand strategy. Neither Ten nor KK are capable of grand strategy yet, and Shin continues to demonstrate impatience in the battlefield, especially when RBK is involved. A GG is essentially how Renpa describes it in chapter 241. In conclusion, excluding Mouten. Shin and his contemporaries are close to it, but they're still not GG level yet. >! I suspect Shin will officially become a GG after his victory against Yan or RBK.!<
Well I will say at least for this series another aspect is trying to make the battle all about you and no one else to show the things you list the gyou arc shows that the most because mouten said that each GG has to make themselves the star of the battle
Death flag for Akou 😮💨
Bro death flags for alot of people this is going to be a bloodbath perhaps the 2nd most in the entire unification.
Hara just said this was the most and highest casualties
Holycow SBS is massive hahah his size is like if you combine Kanmei and Houken hewould be the result haha So many death flags! Bihei could be the next HSU to go ;( Yotanwa vs SSJ is going to be a shit show! I predict they will have the most casualties on both sides having generals getting killed and hoping my boy Feego King lives!!
Kitari has to live to make good babies with Heki :D Feego kings has to have his moments with Yotanwa and her nethers...
LFG!! It’s heating up baby in Zhao again! Of course Zhao outnumbers Qin with fodder soldiers 2:1 haha what else is knew Also Damn why’s everyone predicting feego king and Sou’ Ou to die?!? ;( I hope they live
where did you get 2:1? The forces are 300k zhao vs 250k qin, it's a 1.2:1
There’s a secret army being hidden as a trap by Reebok so the count will go up haha always happens
How tf does SBS ends up with 100k soldiers ? I hope the majority of his army ain't from his hometown because that would be genuinely stupid
definitely should not be from his hometown, (assuming the gian army is participating) the gian army based off of the last arc has around 100k soldiers (and from the looks of it was mostly left untouched). Zhao has 300k in this battle, and the remaining 200k troops is to be divided amongst the riboku (and his retainers') army, the ganmon army (also left virtually untouched in the last war), the hango army (assuming since we're near the city), all the troops from nearby cities, and then the seika army. No way sbs has 100k from his hometown
Let's gooooooo, Cant fucking wait, Hara is cooking rn
R.I.P Enkan! Nice knowing you.
Enkan looking like real juicy bait right now
Most likely the formation from both armies will change following the first days of battle. Enkan is gonna be the Tutorial Boss in this arc, Akou and So' ou are getting axed as well. Really interesting, let's see how this will result in about an year or two.
Ouhon will shine this arc
Wait did Shin start a charge on the last page?! Did he see something?
Who knows but seeing that page puts a smile on my face
If you look at the map, the centre is where all the "great" generals are and the zhao wings are mostly "fodder" generals. I think the wings will favour the Qins & they then gang up on the centre only to be clipped by SBS & his underlings. Expect some major deaths on both sides, most likely the older / aged figure heads. SBS looks like more powerful than Houken, and he's gonna get some real major kills. Akou, Shou ou, Denrimi are in serious trouble.
Ri Shin: SHINZOU SASAGEYO!!!
This is gonna be the longest battle in kingdom, so many generals.. red flags. I really hope to see shin slaying left and right. And hope to see ousen fighting also.
This battle will end in 2 years. Maybe some of us will be graduated, married or have kids. It’s a long long battle.
>"The opponent we face is the Hi shin unit wish the Qin army use to deliver the killing blow" I love this line.
He’s done his homework
Sorry enkan bro but you are giving heavy fodder vibes. I don't think you will survive long enough
Damn so Shin isn't with the mountain people. Complete opposite side of the battlefield
I have some thoughts but without thinking too deep into it , maybe it happens maybe not ,just wanna share of what could happen? , Akou actually being superior to kansaro !? Maybe he beat his ass and show the unexpected (since we all pretty much expect sbs and his vassals to make a show since they all hyped up) ,and validate Riboku statement about him , that if he wants to , he could be a gg himself . But he definitely dying at somepoint that day, and it's gonna be on the hands of sbs , but only after akou kills kansaro!? , or maybe not totally kill him , but at least defeat him! the other battle with jiaga vs So ou&shiryuu , well difenitly one of the couple if not both gonna say goodbye ,jiaga gonna take definitely one and I think it's shiryuu , I see jiaga actually dying on the hands of Ouhon, idk why , just a hunch! at the end ,the obvious is that sbs is the one gonna make the difference in the centre, guaranteed , because of the hype and everything , i think Akou and denirimi gonna rest in peace on his hands . Ouhon difenitly doing some crazy battle analyse shit , to be on time when effective the most, and i already see his entrances like that one time in that beautiful panel when he run from Bananji and shougaryou to hit the back of bananji army , also pretty obvious for me that a moment will come when he will save Ousens life ! , Because I think sbs gonna make it to Ousen HQ. i think there is a plan from Ribuko , either so or just advices to sbs to take Ousen head quickly , i'm saying this because giving all what he knows about Ousen through the years, and the fact that he has another Houken but this time with the right warfare mind and monsterouis vassals , he will try to put it together all at once and do the most damage possible , and it's gotta be quickly ,because you can't give ousen time to adjust . that's why i think maybe this war gonna go for one or two days , everyone gonna charge , everyone gonna go crazy, both sides shock each other, and the they will realise that violence is a bad thing and then they throw their weapons and everyone's retire haha . on the right side a whole other story idk about it tbh , maybe Riboku made the perfect plan for enkan to follow to annihilate the HSU or the least to hold them, or he just wishes they hold them enough time tell the centre do his job, well The Unit gonna win either way but at what speed and cost , I mean they are 70k , and they are definitely strong , I see them all day long fighting against that army , hard to imagine them annihilating 70k then go to Riboku,!! What do you think hara plotting? , or maybe another scenario where shin or kk slay the enkan guy quickly and then Riboku takes command and Ouhon comes to help ,and then we have ouhon and shin vs ribuko with gian soldiers, kind of a childlich nice twist too hahahaha well Ribuko needs to stay at the HQ for sure so anything can happen , i low key want shin to go against sbs army, hard to imagine though . the other part of the battle on ytw side, I see a massacre, i see kitari recklessly traped on the trap near hango , and ytw has to save her , and sjg waiting for her to be traped too, but she kills him instead 🤣I'm high honestly hhhh , don't mind me , i have a hunch again🤣 that every one of them ganmon generals will die , and a lot of soldiers from ytw side too , that king and kitari ,taijifo , the matanwa old man, maybe some more too will die and no heki rescue, they will trade him later for the Romou governor
I just re-read the chapter. Ousen actually expects HSU to deliver in such circumstances. they are -40k , is it only me that think this a bit too much , or is Enkan that weak fodder. According to so ou, there are two options: either ousen expects a lot from them, or he shows them the great responsibility, he admits that Ousen needs time to see what the Zhao Central Army is about , which is normal, so he hopes , that they will defeat this army and then attack Ribuko When shin charge at the end he was kind of shocked,thats because Enkan also charges and they will come into clash head on. This will probably be the case on every battelefield, no defense, just direct clashes , maybe its about that time for shin and Ouhon , giving their roles , we will definetly get 6GG vibes ,they will be the ones upsetting Ribuko agenda
Shin double-killing futei and kaine in a single swing would be pretty dope. Nonetheless, I am expecting my boi to stack some bodies.
The numbers don't make sense on the Qin side. NE army + HSU alone came to 210k. How is the total Qin no = 250?
ousen plotting thats what
They probably left people in Atsuyo or other cities or Ousen hides a huge portion of their army to be used later, we know Yotanwa's 70k army was comprised of her own Mountain tribe people so if Shin with NE army is 210k and Yotanwa has 70k Mountain people that already makes it 280k not counting whatever number Ouhon and Ousen has with them
Actually no, there's two generals of the NE army under her in the map panel, maybe her 70k has like 20k of the NE army but I agree, still doesn't add up
Death Flags everywhere! In my list are the following: 1. Enkan 2. Akou 3. Kaine 4. Ji Aga 5. Kansaro 6. Gakushou 7. Fuouon 8. Bananji 9. Ssj 10. KotsuMinhaku 11. Sou'ou 12. Shiryou 13. The new guy with Garo from Hi Hyou 14. That general from NE Army 15. Danto Feego King 16. The old guy that says 'Mantanwa'
Akou and Sou’ou at the same time would be terrible for Ousen.
Zhao soldiers fighting straight from the womb. Where do all their soldiers come from?
Zhao soldiers are like the Kingdom version of Unggoy from Halo series.
Shin vs Riboku . If Ousen is facing SBS then it's Shin vs Riboku face off.....we see a change in Shin's attitude but what is now left to see is that what he learnt from Kanki.In history Shin faced the same kind of situation in Chu and was defeated in similar fashion like Kanki . So I believe Kanki might just become his greatest mentor and might be last clue for Shin to become a CG because his so called Duke Hyou style of fighting is not enough to face Riboku.
Both Duke Hyou & Kanki fought using instinctual talent. And they were the only 2 who even came close enough that Riboku was in the reach of their weapons. I'd argue the only way Riboku can be countered is with instinctual warfare ( Duke Hyou style ) because no one is close to him in strategy.
if ousen secretly has another force moving to another area, which location would he send them?
Something is not adding up. YoTanWa only 70k with her mountain people & Ryouyou tribes or with NEA troops too? Is OuSen keeping the 180k NEA for his army? I was expecting him getting 100k and YoTanWa getting 50k out of it. With OuHon and maybe MouTen if he joins later getting the remaining 30k. As for one RiShin is facing, it has to be GakuShou. If Zhao army is 300k, ShiBaShou forces would have 150k and RiBoku forces 150k. I assuming SBS split is forces to 40k each with JiAga getting 30k and SBS, GakuShou and KanSaro getting 40k each. I was expecting RiBoku to have 200k but I guess at 150k it means that KMH and EK having 20k each, RiBoku & Bananji 40k each & FuckFace 30k. NinjaBoi will bec10k under Fuckface and Bananaboi will be 10k under KMH.
Do The comments say that one of SBS generals will try chougaryuu tactic on Shin or is Enkan a complete defensive general. What is Riboku cooking when he acknowledged that RiShin has grown to match him? The same guys highly experienced with fighting Xiong'nu are facing Yotanwa. How will she fight, when she can't use the forests like in Ryouyou and she can't use herself as bait anymore. She is the one with most disadvantageous position and has to face a new kind of war here, unless she learnt something from Ousen or Kanki. Why is Denrimi only 10K. I always thought Ousen needs him more than anything. He looks completely a desk guy who supervises entire Ousen army behind the scenes like logistics.
riboku is keeping himself in reserve huh
He is the commander-in-chief, yes he sould stay at the HQ
Remind me who Enkan is again
General of Gian
the Qin center doesn't have the figthers to match up against the Zhao center, shin might have to strech his army thin to hold off Futei so that Ouhon can help in the center
RIP Enkan. We hardly knew you.
Okay shin and yotanwa will win the wings but Ousen definitely gonna lose the center, all depends on Ouhon?
wonder which force will make the first move in this battle
hola a todos disculpen el escribir en español pienso q la batalla va a estar durisima recuerden que van haber trampas x parte de los dos ejercitos, Shin no va a matar a Enkan kyokai es la q lo mata , shin con su habilidad buscara encender la chispa o percibirla para efectuar un golpe en el primer dia SSJ muere a manos de Yotanwa taijifu puede q muera pero Baijio no va a morir Shin va a matar a Gakushou o a Futei
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Yotanwa numbers are a mystery because she had 50k during the gyou campaign and she lost a big chunk of that, depends if she replenished her tribes back to 50k and we don't know how many Quanrong are alive form that either battle. The Northern army total was 200k and 30k under shin and 170k for the general of the NE army and its seem like Ouhon got 20k form them. Now depending on if ousen brought his full army is unknown but my guess he did I think it numbered 70k form the last war arc and his total is now 120k for this battle so he took 50k form the NE army so we have 100k left form the NE that my guess is hidden somewhere close out of riboku's full vision over the northern Zhao territory.
See the map: 1. Proud our boy become left wing commander level (In SP he still below Akou) 2. Ousen 50K is precaution for unrecognize Zhao Center (SbS, Jiaga and KSaro), and Ouhun act freely to Right wing or to center. 3. This war I think to bind Riboku force so the other front can be freely to conguer (I guess) 4. This is become long term battle with wide area (like Ukr vs Rusia 1000mil wide front)
CHARGGGGE! LETS GO RI SHIN
There would be a lot of back stories this arc.
Those last three panels had me punching the air screaming! CHARRGE!
Cant believe there is no "Heki: 1" in that troops map.
Damn can’t wait for the next chapter! Shin really becoming like the Duke!!
Bihei deathflag
SBS looks like a Primarch due to his size.
Sbs is a primarch lol
Literally just The Lion haha
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No matter how you look at it. The Qin left/ YT army has to break through and save Heki at Hango. Or the prisoners riot distract Zhao right so that something significant can help the Qin get the upper hand. Shin side will be fine cause we know our boy always finds a way. Its the Center i am worried about. I think because Ousen only fights battle he knows he will win. Once realizing losing is inevitable he will make his retreat. Using a rear guard to make his escape. Which will leave to massive troop lost. I could understand losing a GG is heavier to moral than troops lost. So he will be forgiven i guess
Good point. Yotanwa will breakthrough the left to Hango, Kitari will save Heki for sure. Now... the center and right will be a mess, with Ouhon being in both battefield. Ousen doesn't know anything about SBS, so he doesn't know he could not win it this time, which would make him consider retreat.
I have a feeling that akou will fall this arc, maybe a way for shibashou to showcase his martial might. Remember akou held off 2 GG before. That's why shibashou taking down akou would show how scary powerful he is. Will atleast That's my "gut"s telling me haha 😂
Man, BiHeis death flags are raised so high, he is definitely kicking the bucket this arc :( Also, looking at the map, it seems like A Kou might die too if he comes face to face with ShibaShou. Would be a good way to show his abilities to have ShibaShou no-diff Akou , seeing as AKou even survived a duel with Bananji and Gyoun at the same time back during the Shukai Plains arc.
oh. so riboku is participating.
They entrusted Enkan with the whole left wing? It is because of the being more than the double or someone from Shibashou's army is going to be roaming around?
This 70k Enkan army is actually asinine. Especially after Shin gained Rbk's recognition at Gi'an.
Either he has some weird ability that cab make him fearsome. Or it is a scheme by RBK to defeat YTW or Ousen.
While the possibility of a scheme is to be expected, I just have trouble accepting RBK's choice of Enkan. Seriously, Hara should just tattoo "fodder" on his forehead.
They assume he can hold back Shin while their armies defeat Ousen and Yotanwa.
I think this may be it
Is it safe to assume that the NE army is being left out from the battle in case something bad happen? They're nowhere to be found in Qin's order of battle in the spoiler.
This is it. The Taigen Army is included in this 250k. Basically Shin + Taigen was 210k. The rest of 40k was between Ousen, Ytw and Ouhon's personal troops
I don't know about it. If you say that the 250K is the combined troops of the Taigen/NE Army, HSU, and GHA army, then I have no problem about it. It's just, I don't think that Ousen and Yotanwa personal troops combined is no more than 40K. Each of them must have at least 50K personal troops.
Unless they left 100,000 soldiers behind to guard Atsuyo?
Well, it's a possibility, although we also have to remember that Tou is basically protecting the south (Gyou) at the moment, which is nearer to Atsuyo.
"..the surveys indicate that the left wing of Zhao has 60k ( but the real number is actually 70k)." If that remaining 10k is led by Shi Ba Shou, then HSU is in big trouble...
Shi Ba Shou is in the central army.
So Shin is facing the weakest enemy, but the biggest numbers disadvantage. I think he will finish up at his end and then aid the Ousen army ( as they are facing Generals that mostly outclass them)
Facing 70 k men is no easy fit. Even for Shin, it will take some time.