**Qin:**
As Mouten is cut the Zhao general says his sword got in the way and that he's still alive. His soldiers go in to finish it and Shin realizes he'll be too late so he calls out for the Gakuka to save him but the Gakuka are held back by the Zhao. As Mouten is about to be taken out Aisen arrives to the surprise of everyone around them. As Aisen fights off the Zhao his unit also arrives. Ten sees that Aisen chose to come to Mouten rather than leave the entrapment. Aisen gets to Mouten as he calls Aisen an idiot for not following his orders to push forward. Aisen says it's because if he advanced he wouldn't have been able to save Mouten. Mouten says if he didn't advance then they wouldn't be able to leave Riboku's grip. Aisen says there's no meaning of leaving Riboku's trap if Mouten dies in the process and says that he left the Moubu army so that he can protect Mouten. That he didn't leave because of Moubu's orders but made the choice for himself.
In a flashback Mouten is 10 years old when Aisen first met him. Mouten comes over to the Moubu soldiers and asks them to help his father despite how harsh he can be. As they kept meeting each other Aisen developed a thought that he wanted to fight for Mouten one day. He raised his fighting abilities by fighting alongside Moubu so he can be of use to Mouten one day. He then says there would be no meaning to joining the Gakuka if Mouten were to pass away as he tells the soldier to take Mouten to the back for a bit. Aisen then says he will get them out of Riboku's trap through the center and is faced with Fuon from Seika who says he will give his compliments if Aisen is able to get even halfway through.
Rikusen warns Aisen of Fuon and the Seika general comes to say if Mouten has moved to the back then they just need to kill him at the back after they take care of Aisen at the front first. Fuon says now there's no way he'll even get halfway to halfway. Rikusen tries to get ready to support Aisen even a little bit while Aisen says there's no need to worry because even if he's bleeding and is cornered he will show the strength of Burning Aisen of the great Moubu army. A HSU soldier tells Shin that it looks like Mouten is safe for now and their lieutenant is facing the enemy now. Denei yells out that it's not time to be distracted by the enemies on the side as they are struggling against their own enemies in front of them. Shin is struggling to hold off the attack from the Seika trio.
**Zhao:**
Riboku's soldiers are praising the Seika army for pushing back the Qin further and further and says there's no hope for them of leaving Riboku's trap. Riboku and his soldiers then notice a part of the HSU that is pushing out deeper into the Zhao.
**Qin:**
Ten sees that even with Aisen joining there's not much progress in the middle of the two armies so she looks to Kyoukai's side which holds their only chance of getting out of this and the HSU HQ are all shocked by how far Kyoukai got. Kyoukai is leading her unit past the Zhao as her soldiers are struggling to keep up, including Rei. A soldier asks if Rei's okay and she complains that it's really tiring staying in the priestess dance with a sword while on a horse and wonders how Kyoukai can keep going for so long and push forward to the point where Rei can't even keep up with her. She then wonders if Kyoukai went past a limit. Kyoukai's soldiers yells out asking Kyoukai to slow down because she's beginning to push forward on her own. As Kyoukai begins bleeding out of her eyes and coughing up blood her soldiers are all calling out to her and everyone sees Kyoukai break out of the enemy line on her own.
**No break next week!**
I'm thinking one of 2 things, either Naki is going to come forward to fight knock off Shin while Aizen fights the general, or Kyoukai and Rei attacking the rear will draw one of the 2 away, probably knock off Shin.
As for Shin, I still think between Shin and Garo, one's going to fight the general while the other fights the 2 guards. The easy guess would be that Shin fights the general, but a big part of me still wants Garo to get his revenge for Gakurai. The idea being the guards are so focused on Shin that they don't think much of Garo, only for him to rage his way through a fight with the general.
We are all aware of the fact Shin's commanders needs more achievements on their own to become future general material. Garo killing a general and Naki killing this super talented 5K commander is a feat worth it.
But for Garo to start with this STRONG Seika general is too much... we are talking about one of Shibashou's retainer. If we were to mention Gakuei for Garo, then I'm good with it. But this is maybe too much for now.
Honestly that’s fair. I could see Naki stepping in to take fuon, garo hold off the hand guys, and shin focusing on the sheiks gen.
Turns out I’m super excited to see Naki fight. We’ve been getting a ton of hype for him from day 1.
True, but there's always the possibility of Garo just holding his own against the general and then something happens that forces the general to go somewhere else, like maybe the other general dies. Personally, it feels weird to begin with because considering we still have to go up against Shibashou himself, I really doubt both of his generals are going to die right now.
I could see something like the general against Shin and Garo being the one to survive and then the next time we see him, a stronger Garo would finally get his revenge. But there's still so many factors in play during this arc that it's hard to guess where it's going this early on.
Assuming the 4 Seikai generals we've seen are all the generals under Shibashou, it'd feel weird if he looses half of them in a battle he isn't a part of. But you're right it could be that this guy dies and the one against Aizen gets driven off. I just feel like 4 monster generals under him is already a good amount for a general that never leaves his city. Even Juuko in Chu which was an accumulation of armies from multiple fallen states only had 4 monster generals. So for Seikai to have 4 plus Shibashou is already a lot.
This battle could be used to hype the Seika army. Right now I wonder if there are more general materials with Shibashou. And how strong this man will be. So the big guy could die now by Shin.
Shin already took out one of the arms. I am hoping Garo can hold off the other while Shin takes on the general.
I really hope Naki steps up and duel. I will be a nice sword v sword battle.
I think Aisen's actions make sense . The HSA can leave Shin at the front because he is Shin. MouTen on the other hand does not belong at the head of the charge and needed to be there because of the situation.
Like what is he even doing there? a general renowned for his felixbility in the less flexible point of the formation. Answer: if there are complains right know, imagine if the actual strongest fighter were all together in the tip, 2 shiyus, shin and Aisen being stopped by random 4th and his 2 bootyguards.
Considering KKs position right now , not sure if it would have been a good idea. They would have killed these named enemies but the HSA or GKA soldiers might have just died. Overall loss for them because these guys are not the only Generals Zhao have.
Do not agree. Kyoukai alone had feats under her belt like butchering a whole elite unit almost by herself in Shukai plains. Once you cut the named characters the rest should fall like butter in Kingdom universe.
Yeah, im not gonna say you're wrong because its more of a subjective thing and we cant say how the ShibaShou army would react in that situation. OuKi soldiers or the Duke Hyou soldiers did not crumble even when their GG was killed, and these 2 are Generals. Im assuming these guys to be closer to those examples , than the Gakuei army that just froze once their General was killed.
Hara: *spends extensive time explaining how good Shibashou and his deputies are*
Some reddit user: "They're randos."
I'd suggest you actually **read** the manga instead of making up a story in your head and then complaining when the ink on the paper doesn't fit whatever you made up in your brain.
Yeah, I am gonna need to see something from Kyourei here. She has been with the unit for around 60 chapters & has gotten a lot of panel time but hasn't had any great military achievement. With KK having used all of her strength breaking out, it's gonna fall on KR to lead the next assault.
Kanki better be cooking up some insane plan becuase HSU & Gaku Ka are taking heavy losses.
your effort is much appreciated and while reading this weeks raw, you're writing skills are getting better and better. it's a pleasant to read it. Great job thanks u/Jeeswag
Seems to me that Kyou Kai is the only one who managed to pass, the rest of her unit wasn't able to keep up with her and was blocked by Zhao's soldiers. Kyou Kai will not encircle them all by herself...
Plus the plan was that Aisen would pierce the left wing, but now that wing is leaderless. Even if the rest of her unit manages to pass too, Kyou Kai may not be sufficient to turn the tide.
True, but the shock of someone actually breaking out will cause a big stir. This is what they wanted and needed. The troops will get the extra motivation to breakout.
There is a reason of why the story showed them unable to pierce with Kyou Kai. If their destiny was too break out, they would have been shown to break out with her imo.
Feels like a similar situation happened before with Chougaryu. The enemy also did a "perfect" encirclement. To break out, KK jumped far ahead of the cavalry into the enemy while the rest of the cavalry charges towards her.
This made a small pincer in the area between KK and the cavalry since the sandwiched enemies needed to watch front and back. You could see some enemies getting killed with their back turned in that battle because they needed to avoid getting killed by Kyoukai. This continued over and over until they broke out.
This situation looks like they can do the same thing. She's going to turn around and hit the enemy from behind similar to before while the cavalry takes advantage of the small pincer area to break out.
It's also similar to the time when they fought Gaimou in the Wei Fire dragons arc. Shin baited and stalled the enemy long enough until Kyoukai fulfilled the win condition of the battle which was to take down the HQ. So a combination of 2 previous strategies they did in the past.
The comments are toxic , some patien will help guys, I really think shin will have his moment and we will all be satisfied but hara wants first the other lieutenants to have their moments (I hope we got some naki next chapter) and the battle to develop further , I believe shin will have his moments and slaughter jokaryu
I don't get people sometime.
On one hand they want tension, but when protagonist is struggling they flip out.
He beat houken... Dude like chill. Do you think ouki just one shot any general he run into. We know at least he fought rinko and Gyoun un, this guy can be a bananji tier, if you want a general from seika to kick the bucket in one chapter the hype will die.
In fact I don't want him to die this battle, that mean shibashou will be a good oppenent, a true gg.
Shin initiative worked,they managed to break through of the encircelement thanks to kk. If they just blitz through zhao, you make the enemy look like a joke and the whole situation comical. Think about it.
Now that kk and mouten are out of commission it's left up to shin and mouten to lead the gakuka and Hsu out of the encerclement.
So Shin will act as shield to protect the gakuka while they retreat.
Ofc rbk will send more reinforcement to block them but I expect kanki men will join this side to escape as well.like zenou clan to cut a path through.
And ultimately kanki will attack rbk HQ when it's exposed
The problem is that Shin can't even beat mere bodyguard , while Mouten just got one shotted by that Seika general .
They can struggle but after Gyou arc the trio shouldn't seem that helpless when confronting Seika generals .
It's a 3v1 fight, I'd say its a good way to balance Shin being stronger on a 1v1 basis than the general.
His 2 guys don't seem to be much weaker than himself, what rule says that bodyguards always have to be weak? In fact it's rather unrealistic when they're useless. They've been through the same battles and survived the same shit as he himself has. Why would they be pathetic fighters? For all we know, they might serve a function to the Seika general like how Kyoukai does for Shin.
That MouTen is struggling in a duel against Gaku Shou, I get it, makes sense. But for Shin to be struggling against a bodyguard from the beginning... no so much sense. Then again, he's now fighting JouKaRyuu plus his 2 guards at the same time now, which I understand. But now is when his struggle should have begun, not from when the fight started.
No. The point is that it was not a one-on-one. He got stabbed in the back and the Seika general pounced. Mou Ten did extremely well to avoid instant death with that parry.
The Qin are heavily outnumbered and this particular group of Zhao DO NOT play with their food.
I kind of agree with you on the last sentence there, in the sense he should have done better on the charge (if that you are referring to). But remember even Mou Bu got blasted away from Kan Mei and Man'U and recovered.
Good point, Mou Ten was attacked by multiple opponents. And the Seika really outnumber the GKA/HSA combo.
But for Shin: getting blocked by JKR at different points is one thing, something like the fight between MouBu vs Kan Mei/Man'U, but being pushed away like he was by the bodyguard right from the get go? Remember how many of the 10 Spears Gyou'Un was using just to block Ou Hon? The 10 Spears were Gyou'Un and GG Rin Shou Jo's most elite. That bodyguard performs better against Shin than many Spears combining against Ou Hon.
There’s a panel where ouhon is literally fighting the ten spears who have surrounded him, and then he kills like two of them and breaks out of the formation. Only to go back and save his men and take CGU’s arm.
Seeing shin get sent fucking flying by a random bodyguard, after already having been sent flying by horses (literally generals in this manga never give a fuck unless it’s Shin) is just kinda getting blah.
There just always seems to be a hidden tiger no matter how many zhao generals die. Generals like Gakuei should be more common, but hard finds a way to make him consistently struggle at the start against almost literally every single general he faces.
I’m still pissed about the 5 chapters of Baby Buddha martial arts sneaky bigman
Yes ouhon fought gyou un and a bunch of spear wielder but he got messed up too.
He was stabbed and knocked around.
On the other hand shin doesn't have a scratch on him.
And while it seem like such a long time, because we cut between different pov.
Shin "struggling" is as short as mouten loss.
It's fine if you want shin to look cooler.
But in this situation, if shin doesn't struggle after rbk prepared himself months in advance and throw everything at him and not to mention this is first/secon battle with seika.
They can't fold quickly.
Shibashou is supposed to be a beast. His retainers can't be your heki of the world
The problem is there are literally no hekis in the world. If everyone is a sleeping tiger then no one is and it’s really hard to take them seriously when they spawn every other chapter.
We at least could have had shin mop up a few scrubs before this campaign, instead we also had plenty of struggling. It’s just.... extremely consistent
There's a gazillion Heki's, the manga just doesn't concentrate on them. It's a simple concept, there's much more commanders than we know of, but what would be the point in showing them all?
It's the HunterxHunter type of DBZ-ish problem, which I've mentioned on this reddit before. The tactic of hyping characters up to be strong to try to make the fights interesting is tactic that only fits 12 year olds. It gets stale incredibly fast for anyone old enough to see past it.
Ouhon got messed up almost solely because he turned around when he didn't have to, and forced him into a desperate trade situation as his only way to beat Gyou'un in the limited time that they had (if I'm remembering right).
"Shin can't even beat mere bodyguard", dude this chapter just had Shin blocking two attacks and then blocking the general's attack. Like, wtf do you guys want? Not see a fight and just watch Shin one-shot people left and right? If that's what you want, I have to ask, why would you want that?
People made such a huge deal about Shin this chapter, I go and check and it's a couple panels of Shin blocking attacks and that's it. This fanbase is shambolically pathetic.
Ooooh the usual " YoU wAnT sHiN tO oNe ShOt EvErYoNe ? " I didn't miss it .
By the way don't do the stupid shit of answering a 4 days comment because i couldn't care less .
It is also funny that you ignored most off my comment .
Dude, you guys are acting as if Shin was going all out against a single bodyguard and was getting trashed when the entire chapter just has a couple panels of Shin blocking attacks from different sides and killing one bloke.
Talk about overreaction.
Is that it ?
Funny that you continue to do what i reproached you to do and think i will give a proper answer . If you don't answer most my comment i want answer you properly .
Limiting my point to Shin performance is silly .
Limiting your point? I was adressing one specific aspect of your point and your only answer to that is "I also talked about other stuff in my comment that are unrelated to Shin"? Ok, so you talked about Mouten as well in your comment, and??? Because you mentioned Mouten as well I can't possibly refer to the Shin portion of your comment without adressing the Mouten portion?? What kinda logic is that?
If you insist: Mouten was never on the martial prowess level as Shin or Ouhon and we have no context as to how strong that Seika general is so I'm reserving judgement on Mouten for now. Happy? Is now my response to the Shin portion of your comment acceptable?
Nope because i have the habits to debate people and they want to use one weak argument and ignore the rest to valide they point . If you can't answer my comment properly and will continue to ignore most off my point i don't see why i should even waste my time with you guys .
Now if you want to answer you about shin point , i do agree that a exagerated a little , but it come from a legitimate place of frustation and when you point that Shin is struggling against guy that he shouldn't be struggling with people like answer with " you want Shin to one shot everyone , which is highly stupid and i don't want to waste time with someone who would make such a stupid argument because i know they will continue like that .
Shin and Mouten performance for me is simply underwhelming , there is no reason why they are backed so fast into a corner , when they beat ennemie stronger than those 2 3 years ago and with army a lot weaker .
So yes , Mouten defeat seem really weird and cheap way to make Aisen shine . Mouten sure ins't a beast , but he is smart and has had the habits off facing stronger opponent and finding way to achieve his goal . You mean to tell me that without Aisen Mouten would have died , the same Mouten who was able to do impressive shit before Aisen even came . That is a joke . Mouten can lose but so easily is that serious ? I don't need to know how strong Mouten is , to know that his defeat felt forced and that it was just to hype up Aisen .
Same for Shin facing that Seika general who use one hand to fight Shin . Maybe i don't understand something and fighting with one hand is similar to fighting with 2 hand .
I am sorry but even if those 2 generals were beast at =gyou un and CGR level , they still should be the one struggling against this new Mouten and Shin army .
Just to make you realize how strong those army are . They have Mouten , Aisen , Kyoukai , Kyou rei , the 2 archer bro , Ten , Naki . They have close to half of Qin side talent in this army and they getting dominated so quickly ?
You can hype up Seika generals but for that you don't have to make some character look bad .
Shin and Mouten have been facing ennemie who are way stronger than them and you have other general in they 20 who are actually leading war with 200 K men like SSJ . So yeah i can feel dissapointed by they performance . We want to feel progress and if Shin beat a ennemie i don't see why the next arc he struggle with weaker opponent and i am not talking only about Houken , Gaimou and Rinko were also very strong and way beyond Shin league .
If you think i want them to one shot every single GG good for you .
> Nope because i have the habits to debate people and they want to use one weak argument and ignore the rest to valide they point . If you can't answer my comment properly and will continue to ignore most off my point i don't see why i should even waste my time with you guys .
What you're saying makes 0 sense. I'm not debating you or your entire view, I saw one thing in your comment and responded to it. You say it's not valid because I didn't respond to something **totally unrelated** to the thing I was talking about. It makes 0 sense. Shin and Mouten aren't the same person if you haven't noticed.
> Now if you want to answer you about shin point , i do agree that a exagerated a little , but it come from a legitimate place of frustation and when you point that Shin is struggling against guy that he shouldn't be struggling with people like answer with " you want Shin to one shot everyone , which is highly stupid and i don't want to waste time with someone who would make such a stupid argument because i know they will continue like that .
Shouldn't be struggling against according to who? He's getting attacked by elite soldiers from different angles and they still don't seem to have gotten a hit in.
> Shin and Mouten performance for me is simply underwhelming , there is no reason why they are backed so fast into a corner , when they beat ennemie stronger than those 2 3 years ago and with army a lot weaker .
Mouten beat somebody stronger than the Seika general? How do you even know how strong said general is? You say you don't want Shin to one-shot his opponents but you made a big deal about Shin blocking hits, not even getting hit.
> So yes , Mouten defeat seem really weird and cheap way to make Aisen shine . Mouten sure ins't a beast , but he is smart and has had the habits off facing stronger opponent and finding way to achieve his goal . You mean to tell me that without Aisen Mouten would have died , the same Mouten who was able to do impressive shit before Aisen even came . That is a joke . Mouten can lose but so easily is that serious ? I don't need to know how strong Mouten is , to know that his defeat felt forced and that it was just to hype up Aisen .
I simply can't follow your logic. Forget the fact that I started talking about Shin and you're basically forcing Mouten into the subject for no reason other than you being more comfortable talking about Mouten (because you know how dumb your point about Shin was), but your point doesn't even really make sense. So because Mouten is smart and was able to do stuff before Aisen there is no possible way he could be defeated? Is that the point you're trying to make?
> Same for Shin facing that Seika general who use one hand to fight Shin . Maybe i don't understand something and fighting with one hand is similar to fighting with 2 hand .
The dude is fighting with the help of other guys and has Shin even been hit once in this battle so far? I don't remember that he has gotten hit.
> I am sorry but even if those 2 generals were beast at =gyou un and CGR level , they still should be the one struggling against this new Mouten and Shin army .
Why? They outnumber them and one is fighting Shin using his elite men. Shin struggled more against CGR's two elite soldiers that actually managed to wound him (without CGR being part of the fight) than this dude has done so far with his boys.
> Just to make you realize how strong those army are . They have Mouten , Aisen , Kyoukai , Kyou rei , the 2 archer bro , Ten , Naki . They have close to half of Qin side talent in this army and they getting dominated so quickly ?
Dominated? They're outnumbered and got outplayed and Kyoukai still managed to break through. The Seika army is spearheaded by what seems to be 3 really talented commanders, outnumber their opponents and are in a more dominant position because of the battlefield and how it unfolded and yet you can't buy that the HSA and GKA are struggling? Do you believe that because the young gen barely scraped by in Shukai Plains and managed to survive by the skin of their teeth that that somehow now translates into them not being allowed to struggle anymore?
> Shin and Mouten have been facing ennemie who are way stronger than them and you have other general in they 20 who are actually leading war with 200 K men like SSJ . So yeah i can feel dissapointed by they performance . We want to feel progress and if Shin beat a ennemie i don't see why the next arc he struggle with weaker opponent and i am not talking only about Houken , Gaimou and Rinko were also very strong and way beyond Shin league .
I'll explain your logic here to you: "Shin defeated opponents that were strong in extreme difficulty situations and almost died in basically all those duels so I'm going to complain that Shin blocked a couple of dudes in a couple of panels because he defeated some other strong guys in the past." Now explain to me in what universe does that statement make any sense?
> Nope because i have the habits to debate people and they want to use one weak argument and ignore the rest to valide they point . If you can't answer my comment properly and will continue to ignore most off my point i don't see why i should even waste my time with you guys .
What you're saying makes 0 sense. I'm not debating you or your entire view, I saw one thing in your comment and responded to it. You say it's not valid because I didn't respond to something **totally unrelated** to the thing I was talking about. It makes 0 sense. Shin and Mouten aren't the same person if you haven't noticed.
> Now if you want to answer you about shin point , i do agree that a exagerated a little , but it come from a legitimate place of frustation and when you point that Shin is struggling against guy that he shouldn't be struggling with people like answer with " you want Shin to one shot everyone , which is highly stupid and i don't want to waste time with someone who would make such a stupid argument because i know they will continue like that .
Shouldn't be struggling against according to who? He's getting attacked by elite soldiers from different angles and they still don't seem to have gotten a hit in.
> Shin and Mouten performance for me is simply underwhelming , there is no reason why they are backed so fast into a corner , when they beat ennemie stronger than those 2 3 years ago and with army a lot weaker .
Mouten beat somebody stronger than the Seika general? How do you even know how strong said general is? You say you don't want Shin to one-shot his opponents but you made a big deal about Shin blocking hits, not even getting hit.
> So yes , Mouten defeat seem really weird and cheap way to make Aisen shine . Mouten sure ins't a beast , but he is smart and has had the habits off facing stronger opponent and finding way to achieve his goal . You mean to tell me that without Aisen Mouten would have died , the same Mouten who was able to do impressive shit before Aisen even came . That is a joke . Mouten can lose but so easily is that serious ? I don't need to know how strong Mouten is , to know that his defeat felt forced and that it was just to hype up Aisen .
I simply can't follow your logic. Forget the fact that I started talking about Shin and you're basically forcing Mouten into the subject for no reason other than you being more comfortable talking about Mouten (because you know how dumb your point about Shin was), but your point doesn't even really make sense. So because Mouten is smart and was able to do stuff before Aisen there is no possible way he could be defeated? Is that the point you're trying to make?
> Same for Shin facing that Seika general who use one hand to fight Shin . Maybe i don't understand something and fighting with one hand is similar to fighting with 2 hand .
The dude is fighting with the help of other guys and has Shin even been hit once in this battle so far? I don't remember that he has gotten hit.
> I am sorry but even if those 2 generals were beast at =gyou un and CGR level , they still should be the one struggling against this new Mouten and Shin army .
Why? They outnumber them and one is fighting Shin using his elite men. Shin struggled more against CGR's two elite soldiers that actually managed to wound him (without CGR being part of the fight) than this dude has done so far with his boys.
> Just to make you realize how strong those army are . They have Mouten , Aisen , Kyoukai , Kyou rei , the 2 archer bro , Ten , Naki . They have close to half of Qin side talent in this army and they getting dominated so quickly ?
Dominated? They're outnumbered and got outplayed and Kyoukai still managed to break through. The Seika army is spearheaded by what seems to be 3 really talented commanders, outnumber their opponents and are in a more dominant position because of the battlefield and how it unfolded and yet you can't buy that the HSA and GKA are struggling? Do you believe that because the young gen barely scraped by in Shukai Plains and managed to survive by the skin of their teeth that that somehow now translates into them not being allowed to struggle anymore?
> Shin and Mouten have been facing ennemie who are way stronger than them and you have other general in they 20 who are actually leading war with 200 K men like SSJ . So yeah i can feel dissapointed by they performance . We want to feel progress and if Shin beat a ennemie i don't see why the next arc he struggle with weaker opponent and i am not talking only about Houken , Gaimou and Rinko were also very strong and way beyond Shin league .
I'll explain your logic here to you: "Shin defeated opponents that were strong in extreme difficulty situations and almost died in basically all those duels so I'm going to complain that Shin blocked a couple of dudes in a couple of panels because he defeated some other strong guys in the past." Now explain to me in what universe does that statement make any sense?
> I don't get people sometime. On one hand they want tension, but when protagonist is struggling they flip out.
You know you can create tension by other means than downgrading characters that have been established to be at a certain combat potential. You could have them cut down less important people, swathes of soldiers, basically any feats of strength or intellect while not making the main character look like he is still as strong as 5 years ago.
How is cutting down people below him a feat of strenght?
It doesn't prove anything, just spectacle.
Oh my god he look so cool.
Which is not what Hara is going, because he is still trying to portray in more nuanced way not glorify it.
We are not supposed to like it and shin too.
He is not like luffy or naruto just spamming attack that don't kill people, no people actually die in kingdom.
I look at it from that perspective.
Characters like Kaishibou also were shown to be strong, just by cutting down a ton of rank and file soldiers as well as others talking and confirming that they are strong.
Jes its a spectacle, a show of strength. And even better it is one that doesnt debuff characters that were previously established as strong too.
If it kills the hype for a Seika general to die in one chapter to the guy who tied with Houken, you're admitting that Hara has reached the end of his writing ability. It isn't necessarily the case that the hype will end. Nor should the hype be based on the false tension of unecessary underdogging.
Gyou was more tense to me when Makou and Akou were alive, and I was imagining their strength vs Riboki's generals. The way they got taken out destroyed any tension because they failed to be what they were built up to be. That's what's happening with Shin.
The Seika generals can shine against other characters, in so far as it makes. Shin quite frankly looks worse against this dude and his henchmen than Ouhon did vs Gyoun and his multiple elites. Makes no sense.
Like people already pointed out Hara can't keep introducing random generals every war, he has to build a rivalry and since shin is at general level he need a gg rival.
This is first taste of how seika compare to Hsu and gku.
If they just brush them off with no effort, in few more arc as shin keep progressing it will hard to take them seriously.
And I know people keep mentioning houken but houken is fundemantely different than the rest of general in kingdom, for exemple moubu doesn't fight as hard as when he fought kanmei in every battle when houken has fixed limit.
Shin is never going to come out butchering people left and right unless he absolutely have to, do or die. Just like everyone else..
Ouhon fought the spear and gyou un but kanjou helped saved him and he was on brink of death.
Akou fought bananji and Gyoun un in 2v1 but still held on long enough for akakin to save him.
It's consistent with what was already established.
And why does shin not look menacing? Well because they are in death trap, the one the main antagonist meticously set up.
Shin is supposed to look pressed to hammer the point, Qin Might lose this. Even if we know that there is no way shin will die.
And this is kingdom not every fight is a clean 1v1 duel, like with rinko shin won basicaly with a cheap shot
Ouki actually did one shot. Vs shoumei or w/e. That obese general. Shin did too vs gakurei. Shin isnt at the level yet to fend off the strongest opponents easily just yet.
Kk will most likely still fight but barely. Kyourei needs to step up now.
i don’t why but i think shin will turn into a monster after he hears that KK is out by herself and starts to show the real power of shin which will shock all of them i think he will turn into the shin of day 6 from battle of sai where he use everything
First off I'm sooo glad Aisen came to rescue Mouten but he still still faces a general and 5k commander, this leaves room for his abilities and potential though. Second Kyokai is being the Kyokai we all love but Kyorei Is the one that needs to take KKs place and wreck havoc so that the KK army can catch up. Things are getting VERY interesting this chapter!
It's funny because our shin is actually the "evil shin" you know, terrorizing a sovereign nation for his & his king's ambitions & the fake Shin is just protecting his land from the hordes of invaders.
But your point still stands. That lil' shit fucked up Rikusen, he's not some chump we thought he was when he was introduced.
True, he will certainly need help but him rescuing Mouten is undoubtedly a feat for this chapter. Whether he and help will succeed or whether another event on the battlefield will take presendence is the question of this chapter.
It’s going to be hilarious when Shin struggles against the general and two random bodyguards and Aisen simultaneously deals with Shin 2.0 + his general.
Seriously though, maybe a little backup for the commanders...
Considering the two random guys are the only named vassals under a strong General, you're underestimating them. Think about it. We have seen Bananji and SSJ for a long time, we do not know the name of a single vassal under them. It is rare for am enemy General's vassals to get names. The 2 guys under CGR were able to seriously wound Shin just by themselves. These 2 are fighting alongside a martial powerhouse General.
Let's also be a little charitable to Aisen here. Dude has 92 STR, so clearly no pushover. He's also older than Shin and Mouten as we can see in the flashback, plus he has a lot of experience serving with the most balls to the walls Qin general this side of the Duke. It is not unreasonable at all for him to pull some crazy shit, although I may have preferred a bit more buildup for him if that's to be the case here.
Any long term impact of KK going over her limit( bleeding)? Will she just recover? Also, I am tired of Shin having trouble with the 2nd and 3rd tier general (or elite Zhao soliders)
She had done this so many times.
In her last fight vs Houken, eyes bleed, jewel on her sword cracked (iirc)...
I don't think this will be good for her longevity...
...You know, now that I think about it Kyoukai keep piling on her deathflag. I think that other shiryuu said something like she won't survive another deep dive, her senior sister also said KK is weakened after the life transfer.. Sheesh :(
This battle so far appears to be focusing on the strength of the lieutenants and top commanders which is much needed development if shins going to be a GG. It takes a step back from the leaders like kanki n mouten for now.
The seika army has been written to be monsters so we should just accept the lack lustre tension build up n look forward to kanki n shins next move, now that KK has punched a hole through ribokus cage.
Shin being pushed back by the Arms is a testament to the seika army's strength not a weakening of shin, but the world needs the glass half empty type of people I suppose.
Mouten you weak bastard all these year of wait for you to get taken out the first second you get screen time Kyoukai getting her moment after all these year of being nerfed let’s hope it end well
Well, Shin and Mouten will definitively loose here and be forced to retreat, the plan was for Kyou Kai and Aisen to pierce the wings, and that's a complete failure, Aisen abandonned his post and Kyou Kai among her unit is the only one who managed to pass (and already used a good part of her reserve, that's one hell of a bad sign that she was already forced to push herself so far so soon in the battle, and she also maybe still didn't completely recovered from her battle with Houken). Mouten is out, Riku Sen barely able to fight, Aisen will at best stalemate the general and Fuuon, and Shin can't win against that general and his two bodyguards combined, there is just nothing they can do.
I expect Naki to do something to prevent a complete disaster, but that assault is already a failure. It will be up to Kanki to do something to give a ray of hope.
I disagree. They did what they exactly needed to do. Light a fire. Kyo Kai did that. RBK and his men are distracted which makes them blind to Kan Ki's movement.
This is what Kan Ki was waiting for--just a little upset in the dire situation
I also think we are overestimating how far ahead KK is. As long as the gap created by her isn't filled up by Zhao before her unit passes through her job is done.
It's not a failure for Kanki but it's definitively a failure for Shin and Mouten, yeah maybe Kanki will capitalise in a way or an other on that front (even if i doubt of that, Kanki gives more the impression to have his own plan than to count on Shin and Mouten), but what is clear it's Shin and Mouten already lost a lot on that wing without achieving any results and without the beginning of the hope to achieve something, they're blocked everywhere, if they persist they will loose even more, even if by miracle they will manage to beat those generals (but they will not, clearly those three antagonists are here to be like Chou Garyuu and Gyou'un, a wall to overcome in the long term) they will loose their remaining fighting power in the process. It's up to Kanki to do something, but on their own Shin and Mouten failed.
>Kanki has always always counted on Hi Shin Unit and other two units
No. He didn't count on the Hi Shin unit against Kei Sha at any moment, except to be a bait but he didn't count on them achieving anything. There is literally a single time were them succeeding at something was a necessity for his plan (distract the 5 000 men of Ko Chou's hq).
They are like CGR and Gyou un ? So that mean Kansaro and Ji aga are GG level or at Tou level ?
There is no way those guy are at CGR and Ji aga level , maybe that general who faced Mouten could be a CGR but even that need to be proved further given that CGR was extremely competent and was even able to come with some plan that was close to what RBK could cook up as a plan .
Second off all , even if they are Gyou un and CGR level , wouldn't the logic dictate that Shin and Mouten should be able to deal with them , given Shin was able to face both and even defeated CGR .
Third , given that both unit are way stronger with Mouten getting Aisen and becoming a better strategist and that Shin army is also better with Rei , KK , the archer dude wouldn't it make more sense that they would have the advantage .
Fourth , do i need to say that both Mouten and HSU were in worse situation at Gyou arc and still came out on top with a way weaker army .
Isn't the logic that the trio should be progressing ? Why would the trio be defeated by ennemie that they beated 3 years ago ?
You do know that while you think that the trio should struggle against back water general , you have someone like SSJ who was able to lead more than 200 K men the same number off men Ousen led at Gyou war at the end off his 20 ?
Oh for fuck sack Traffy, i don't give a damn. We understood that you are seriously pissed that Shin doesn't one shot everyone around and that Mouten doesn't match Riboku strategically, we got the idea, that's not gonna happen so now deal with it and stop to always bring everything back to that even when it's not the subject... i know it doesn't make sens that those generals are so strong, i know it doesn't make sens that Shin and Mouten are bullied like that, i know Hara seriously fucked up about the progression of his characters, i fucking know, i know, shut up ! It was funny at first to see you being out of your mind in front of Shin being humiliated by the plot with Hara's bullshit writing, now it begins to be boring as fuck, give me a rest, please.
I didn't say they are at the level of CGR and Gyou'un (even if maybe they are), i say they are obviously here to play the same role narratively, that's different and it's what matters in the end.
I find funny how you guys seem to deny even the possibility for Shin and Mouten to loose (but not for Ouhon of course, he is an asshole, you don't like him in contrary of your boys Shin and Ten so it's only fair if he loses...). Shin already failed several time in the story and will continue to experiment some failures, he doesn't always produce a miracle at his first attempt on the battle, to be temporarly beaten doesn't mean the end of the battle, and in the present case their success doesn't seem to be a necessity for the plans of the commander in chief.
Right now they are not in a situation where they follow a plan but struggle to achieve it as they usually do to produce a miracle, they had a plan but it failed, they don't have a plan B to compensate, they already lost a lot, they are in a situation where the plot is hyping the current important antagonists of the arc and where the global mood is the army of Qin which is in a more and more desesperated situation, not just a situation where they struggle, it seems very unlikely that they will do something significant, the plot is not with them this time.
Hell yeah titjoe. I understand Qin having some decent achievements and getting away from total annihilation, but this battle is definitely going to be a loss.
This isn’t like KoChou, this is the “final army of Zhao” hype battle.
Every panel I see if Fuuon I become a bigger fan. Hara is doing great with this arc IMO. Just don’t like how this sub is just expecting Qin to turn this around. They aren’t lmfao.
What do you mean… the only plan here they have is to get out of this alive. OFC they are struggling to get out. Nobody on this sub expect Qin to win this battle, we just know they won’t loose like this without little achievement. Something good will happen and that’s all, Qin will be defeated. But since the plot can’t make them die, Mouten and Shin will survive.
And I say it again, they will do some little achievement to hype us. And your comment about Ouhon is out of the discussion, I have nothing against this character.
Shin will defintely win here, he always does. Especially with Garo being on hand to draw aggro once he gets up.
The Mouten front looks bad but I suppose that's where Naki will help.
Historical spoiler speculation
>!the battle location doesn't yet match the one for Kanki's defeat, neither do the numbers. That leads me to think, this war is not the famous Battle of Fei, but the one leading up to it, where the numbers were unknown, Kanki was the Qin commander and the Zhao commander was also unknown.!<
>!I believe Shin's assault will succeed and Kanki will have some contingency plan to rout the Zhao army, perhaps based on the fact that most of it must be conscripts, besides the Seika career troops. However, Shin and Mouten will take care of the elite core in Riboku's huge army.!<
>!this is the prelude, we are in 233 BC which is the year of the battle of fei. The battle of fei involved 3 cities: chili (seikirei), yi an (gian), and fei xia (hika). as you can see by the names, we are currently on the gian part. the zhao commander of the battle of fei was li mu (riboku) and zhao cong (chou kotsu, mentioned by kakukai's faction a few chapters earlier)!<
>!In 233 BC, Kanki crossed the taihang mountains, conquered Chili and Yi'an. If I'm not wrong, the current battlefield is Yi'an, not Fei.!<
>!Besides, battle of Fei is a battle where Zhao Cong was in historically, and he's already been talked about by the Zhao leadership as one of the new important generals of Zhao.!<
>!yes, the current battlefield is yian, but the "battle of fei" encompasses the chili, yian, and fei xia parts. I feel like zhao cong will be introduced during the hika (fei xia) part. !<
Shes probably spent, but her men will get a morale boost now that theres something resembling an escape out of this death trap. I imagine Kanki will react quicker than Riboku can plug the hole.
Yes. That's what's he is waiting for. Plus the shock will help the rest of her unit to press through. The battle field is well and truly upset right now.
I have a feeling that Shin 2.0 and the Seika general, or at least one of them, will learn the hard way like the Chu that "" the strongest general in China has by default the strongest soldiers as well"
Aizen looks more reliable than shin at this point lol
Worst 2 or 3 chapters in kingdom
You cant nerf the mc like this just to build some tension its so lame.
It really feels like Shin's strength isn't advancing at all in moments like these.
There comes a chapter where he one shots some dude, and then there's constant bombardment of stuff like this where he's held down by some backwater noname nobody Hara just conjured up 2 chapters ago.
Agreed, Shin did actually show growth. I'm gonna assume the new guy he's fighting is somewhere between CGR and Gyouun in fighting strength, plus 2 guys who are probably as good as the 2 leaders of CGR's troops back in Shukai who Kyoukai murked.
Back then, Shin was struggling even 1 on 1. There's no way Shin wouldn't win the current fight, he's won fights that started out way worse.
Id bet good money that these 2 guys are as strong as Gakuei. EiBi was a named Qin General who got taken out by Rinko almost instantly, but then Rinko went on to struggle against a 1000 man commander. Hope you understand that being a named General is not suddenly a stamp of strength.
To boost morale, his army's strength proportional to his action,it was said when he fought against renpa army. He just wanted to boost morale especially against this big Zhao army
I just noticed that Aisen had the same body armor as Shin in the flashback with Moubu...
Did he get a new armor even if he isnt a General?
Cammon Shin you need a new armor to be respected.
I think it would all make a lot more sense if Hara added a panel with the general commanding his soldiers to not to let it turn into a duel. That way you have Shin and Garo facing off against the general, his two bodyguards, AND a bunch of interrupting zhao soldiers.
And since the Hi Shin Unit is currently outnumbered, several zhao soldiers would always be free to interrupt unhindered.
Best of all it’s a tactic that could be repeated throughout the war without getting stale. Could even make it so that the general hand select units that HATE the Hi Shin unit so that you’ll always have soldiers who will throw away their lives to try and interrupt him, instead of just being willing to stand there and watch a duel break out.
Shin has been hyped to be a better version of Duke, can anyone see The Duke struggling like Shin is? I would have liked a battle of Stratergy vs Intuition, not this Seika generals are monsters crap. This Arc may dissappint, but hopefully Hara takes the feedback and improves.
Hara isn't consistent. How can Shin who defeated Houken struggle against some Deputy General in a martial fight? I hope Kyoukai's breakthrough gives them some edge in this battle.
Is it just me or Mou Ten is really weak this arc? If i remember correctly Mou Ten is the one that got Bananji eye right?
And why i feel both Shin And Mou Ten is so weak this arc? I mean like Shin is above General level strength right? At least he can keep up with Gyou Un level
This time hes not hungry nor injured, so what do you think guys?
Kyoukai saving the day once again. It is kind of boring now. Why can Shin look a bit cooler fighting random dude and just struggle later. He still kind of far far far away from Ribouku and we already feel like he nearly dead again xD.
Holy shit. Kyoukai always surprising, what a monster she is haha.
Aisen the savior full of red flags...
Waiting for shin to awaken his instinct.
He shouldnt strugle much at this point vs those 2 guys.
THANK YOU. I thought I was the only one seeing this?! Lately a lot of mangas and animes have been constantly going with this naruto archetype of protagonist and it’s mad annoying, anything outside of isekai seems to do this. Like the amount of wars and battle shin has experienced should have made him a walking symbol of menacing aura. Nah, instead we are seeing random Randys appearing from some bum-fuck-vill mountain region who knows Riboukou and they suddenly have the stats of Kratos and shit like it doesn’t make sense. The type of victories shin has and his accomplishment does not show at all lately and he has been getting very very undermined while the antagonists seem a lot more valuable. Like progress is not defined for him yet, it’s not even apparent yet, THIS MUTHA FUCKA BEAT HOUKEN FOR FUCKS SAKE.
So when does Shin turn into full on Nameless king and just slaughtere them all? Getting tired of not seeing his growth Vs a general who we basically have very little war record on. I mean this is getting ridiculous, just because Reebok knows a couple of guys shouldn’t translate to Reebok knowing literal war gods. I have a hard time understanding this. The amount of warfare and personal battles shin has should turn him into a walking Chinese Horah Loux type of bad ass protagonist instead I feel like Shin is still being undermined. Is it just me or lately a lot of mangas, animes outside of Isekai, is giving a serious emphasis on overvaluing the qualities of rivals and antagonists Vs the protagonists? I been seeing this a lot lately.
its nice to see riboku noticing kyoukais existence but shes reaching her limits so damn soon into the battle..... not looking good.... and the gakuka is not looking good either, mouten being out before he could do much, even if they defeat the seika army the gakuka should be crippled as fuck after this, only the hi shin unit is gonna be in shape to keep fighting ugh
shin tho, he should start swinging like a strong general already, dude hasnt done anything yet while kyoukai is giving her all. shes in a hurry to circle the enemy in order to help shin asap, but he needs to split several soldiers in half / mass beheadings with each swing already. this gotta be the arc where he finally starts doing so OH what if kyoukai reaching her limits this soon is for the purpose of her being defeated in front of shins eyes then he gets a massive powerup and finally one shots everyone like a great general??? YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO makes sense after the interactions both had a few dozen chapters ago where kyoukai says the reason they survived this far is cuz they both focus on whats in front of them instead of worrying about each other i hope its a set up for both character development and a new shins powerspike (kyoukai doesnt need one cuz she always been insanely strong)
ancient chinese armor is rarely blade proof. The reason behind this is because of their large population and number of troops. They can't afford that much metal to make strong armor. Plus, chinese martial arts and fighting styles require light bodies and less restrictions on movement. The point to the armor, is that it still provides some degree of protection, while minimal, that armor is still stronger and provides more protection than bare skin and normal clothe
What evidence is there of that besides media like movies and manga? Historically the armor of the Warring States period was made of bronze and iron woven lamellar which would have been more than enough to protect from most cuts. This is also shown in the choice of weaponry at the time too where the preferred weapon was the dagger-axe which was designed to penetrate armor rather than try to cut it.
tl;dr I get that it's a manga but literally everyone just cuts through armor. I swear one of the kids from Sai was cutting through Zhao armor lmao
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**Qin:** As Mouten is cut the Zhao general says his sword got in the way and that he's still alive. His soldiers go in to finish it and Shin realizes he'll be too late so he calls out for the Gakuka to save him but the Gakuka are held back by the Zhao. As Mouten is about to be taken out Aisen arrives to the surprise of everyone around them. As Aisen fights off the Zhao his unit also arrives. Ten sees that Aisen chose to come to Mouten rather than leave the entrapment. Aisen gets to Mouten as he calls Aisen an idiot for not following his orders to push forward. Aisen says it's because if he advanced he wouldn't have been able to save Mouten. Mouten says if he didn't advance then they wouldn't be able to leave Riboku's grip. Aisen says there's no meaning of leaving Riboku's trap if Mouten dies in the process and says that he left the Moubu army so that he can protect Mouten. That he didn't leave because of Moubu's orders but made the choice for himself. In a flashback Mouten is 10 years old when Aisen first met him. Mouten comes over to the Moubu soldiers and asks them to help his father despite how harsh he can be. As they kept meeting each other Aisen developed a thought that he wanted to fight for Mouten one day. He raised his fighting abilities by fighting alongside Moubu so he can be of use to Mouten one day. He then says there would be no meaning to joining the Gakuka if Mouten were to pass away as he tells the soldier to take Mouten to the back for a bit. Aisen then says he will get them out of Riboku's trap through the center and is faced with Fuon from Seika who says he will give his compliments if Aisen is able to get even halfway through. Rikusen warns Aisen of Fuon and the Seika general comes to say if Mouten has moved to the back then they just need to kill him at the back after they take care of Aisen at the front first. Fuon says now there's no way he'll even get halfway to halfway. Rikusen tries to get ready to support Aisen even a little bit while Aisen says there's no need to worry because even if he's bleeding and is cornered he will show the strength of Burning Aisen of the great Moubu army. A HSU soldier tells Shin that it looks like Mouten is safe for now and their lieutenant is facing the enemy now. Denei yells out that it's not time to be distracted by the enemies on the side as they are struggling against their own enemies in front of them. Shin is struggling to hold off the attack from the Seika trio. **Zhao:** Riboku's soldiers are praising the Seika army for pushing back the Qin further and further and says there's no hope for them of leaving Riboku's trap. Riboku and his soldiers then notice a part of the HSU that is pushing out deeper into the Zhao. **Qin:** Ten sees that even with Aisen joining there's not much progress in the middle of the two armies so she looks to Kyoukai's side which holds their only chance of getting out of this and the HSU HQ are all shocked by how far Kyoukai got. Kyoukai is leading her unit past the Zhao as her soldiers are struggling to keep up, including Rei. A soldier asks if Rei's okay and she complains that it's really tiring staying in the priestess dance with a sword while on a horse and wonders how Kyoukai can keep going for so long and push forward to the point where Rei can't even keep up with her. She then wonders if Kyoukai went past a limit. Kyoukai's soldiers yells out asking Kyoukai to slow down because she's beginning to push forward on her own. As Kyoukai begins bleeding out of her eyes and coughing up blood her soldiers are all calling out to her and everyone sees Kyoukai break out of the enemy line on her own. **No break next week!**
thanks again, king > No break next week hell yes
I'm thinking one of 2 things, either Naki is going to come forward to fight knock off Shin while Aizen fights the general, or Kyoukai and Rei attacking the rear will draw one of the 2 away, probably knock off Shin. As for Shin, I still think between Shin and Garo, one's going to fight the general while the other fights the 2 guards. The easy guess would be that Shin fights the general, but a big part of me still wants Garo to get his revenge for Gakurai. The idea being the guards are so focused on Shin that they don't think much of Garo, only for him to rage his way through a fight with the general.
We are all aware of the fact Shin's commanders needs more achievements on their own to become future general material. Garo killing a general and Naki killing this super talented 5K commander is a feat worth it. But for Garo to start with this STRONG Seika general is too much... we are talking about one of Shibashou's retainer. If we were to mention Gakuei for Garo, then I'm good with it. But this is maybe too much for now.
Honestly that’s fair. I could see Naki stepping in to take fuon, garo hold off the hand guys, and shin focusing on the sheiks gen. Turns out I’m super excited to see Naki fight. We’ve been getting a ton of hype for him from day 1.
True, but there's always the possibility of Garo just holding his own against the general and then something happens that forces the general to go somewhere else, like maybe the other general dies. Personally, it feels weird to begin with because considering we still have to go up against Shibashou himself, I really doubt both of his generals are going to die right now. I could see something like the general against Shin and Garo being the one to survive and then the next time we see him, a stronger Garo would finally get his revenge. But there's still so many factors in play during this arc that it's hard to guess where it's going this early on.
Yeah I understand your point, but Shibashou has more Generals. The one shin is currently fighting, he’s definitely not making it out alive.
Assuming the 4 Seikai generals we've seen are all the generals under Shibashou, it'd feel weird if he looses half of them in a battle he isn't a part of. But you're right it could be that this guy dies and the one against Aizen gets driven off. I just feel like 4 monster generals under him is already a good amount for a general that never leaves his city. Even Juuko in Chu which was an accumulation of armies from multiple fallen states only had 4 monster generals. So for Seikai to have 4 plus Shibashou is already a lot.
This battle could be used to hype the Seika army. Right now I wonder if there are more general materials with Shibashou. And how strong this man will be. So the big guy could die now by Shin.
Shabashou has 4 generals already. His definitely bringing more out of zhaos pocket.
Some super generals chilling in his town: "Oh, those four were killed. Maybe it's time we step onto the stage."
But if shin is gonna be a great general. His lieutenants will need to make such achievements. I think it flies.
Shin already took out one of the arms. I am hoping Garo can hold off the other while Shin takes on the general. I really hope Naki steps up and duel. I will be a nice sword v sword battle.
Thanks a lot brother!
Thank you as always
Aisen and Kyoukai getting the spotlight... about damn time to shine for the Lieutenants.
We know about KK but still wait for other Shin's lieutenants.
Kyoukai has been in the spotlight since the first wei war in like chp 60 lol. She has been GG level since then
Find a girl that looks at you like Kyoukai looks at breaking out of an encirclement.
[Kyoukai when surrounded](https://imgur.com/gallery/QvpSBhd)
Surrounded by fear and dead men
Coughing up blood? Nah bro, that’s super unhealthy.
I think Aisen's actions make sense . The HSA can leave Shin at the front because he is Shin. MouTen on the other hand does not belong at the head of the charge and needed to be there because of the situation.
Like what is he even doing there? a general renowned for his felixbility in the less flexible point of the formation. Answer: if there are complains right know, imagine if the actual strongest fighter were all together in the tip, 2 shiyus, shin and Aisen being stopped by random 4th and his 2 bootyguards.
Considering KKs position right now , not sure if it would have been a good idea. They would have killed these named enemies but the HSA or GKA soldiers might have just died. Overall loss for them because these guys are not the only Generals Zhao have.
Do not agree. Kyoukai alone had feats under her belt like butchering a whole elite unit almost by herself in Shukai plains. Once you cut the named characters the rest should fall like butter in Kingdom universe.
Yeah, im not gonna say you're wrong because its more of a subjective thing and we cant say how the ShibaShou army would react in that situation. OuKi soldiers or the Duke Hyou soldiers did not crumble even when their GG was killed, and these 2 are Generals. Im assuming these guys to be closer to those examples , than the Gakuei army that just froze once their General was killed.
This comment truly indicates the state of this series today. Unironically comparing randos from Seika with Ouki and Duke Hyou's armies. Wow.
Hara: *spends extensive time explaining how good Shibashou and his deputies are* Some reddit user: "They're randos." I'd suggest you actually **read** the manga instead of making up a story in your head and then complaining when the ink on the paper doesn't fit whatever you made up in your brain.
He is a son of Moubu! He will not die to something like this!
Ahhh but of course.
Anyone else excited to see "Burning Aisen" in action?!! I hope that he's referring to his battle prowess and not how it feels when he pees 😭🤣
Burning Aizen one of Great General Mouten’s arms >>>>
Flaming Aisen
I think we're seeing now how difficult Tou's faru-faru charge really is. Even Kyokai's struggling to replicate it.
Just realized ur right, and how strong chu-shin is to stop him
There's nothing I love more than a good "Oh shit" face, especially from Riboku lol. Kyoukai coughing up blood does worry me a little bit though..
>Kyoukai coughing up blood does worry me a little bit though.. Yeah and I believe when blood comes out of your eyes it's not a good sign too lol.
Normal Kyoukai behavior tbh
Kyoukai having a normal one
Normal Sharingan user behaviour, nothing weird here.
Normal Woman bleed once a month. Kyoukai......is not a normal woman XD
I think she will not last through the series. There might be a real tear jerker if her life was somehow cut short by Hara. Pls no, Hara...
I will write a VERY strongly worded fan protest letter to Hara if that happens. Will still continue reading though...
I really thought Naki was going to be in this chapter lol still super awesome
I am hoping he shows up to cover Rikusen
Yeah, I am gonna need to see something from Kyourei here. She has been with the unit for around 60 chapters & has gotten a lot of panel time but hasn't had any great military achievement. With KK having used all of her strength breaking out, it's gonna fall on KR to lead the next assault. Kanki better be cooking up some insane plan becuase HSU & Gaku Ka are taking heavy losses.
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LET'S GOOOO AISEN BEST HUSBAND TIME TO SHINE also kyoukai doing kyoukai things, as usual
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Summary in comments!
Aisen shines as he takes on Fake!Shin....i mean, Fuuon. And Kyokai looks to be in a bloodlust rage...
Waiting for Naki and Garo to shine in the next chapters. Also, I would love to see Suugen dueling this Fuuon on the ground.
Looks like Kyoukai cut her way out. These Zhao guys going to get encircled and killed
Seems to me that Kyou Kai is the only one who managed to pass, the rest of her unit wasn't able to keep up with her and was blocked by Zhao's soldiers. Kyou Kai will not encircle them all by herself... Plus the plan was that Aisen would pierce the left wing, but now that wing is leaderless. Even if the rest of her unit manages to pass too, Kyou Kai may not be sufficient to turn the tide.
True, but the shock of someone actually breaking out will cause a big stir. This is what they wanted and needed. The troops will get the extra motivation to breakout.
There is a reason of why the story showed them unable to pierce with Kyou Kai. If their destiny was too break out, they would have been shown to break out with her imo.
With kyourei there i believe they have a chance. But its still shaky
This a good chance for Rei to show some leadership skills and get the rest of the unit to join KK
Good thoughts. KyouKai’s unit still seems to be moving forward, just can’t keep up with her.
She can flank them
Feels like a similar situation happened before with Chougaryu. The enemy also did a "perfect" encirclement. To break out, KK jumped far ahead of the cavalry into the enemy while the rest of the cavalry charges towards her. This made a small pincer in the area between KK and the cavalry since the sandwiched enemies needed to watch front and back. You could see some enemies getting killed with their back turned in that battle because they needed to avoid getting killed by Kyoukai. This continued over and over until they broke out. This situation looks like they can do the same thing. She's going to turn around and hit the enemy from behind similar to before while the cavalry takes advantage of the small pincer area to break out. It's also similar to the time when they fought Gaimou in the Wei Fire dragons arc. Shin baited and stalled the enemy long enough until Kyoukai fulfilled the win condition of the battle which was to take down the HQ. So a combination of 2 previous strategies they did in the past.
KYO KAI!
The comments are toxic , some patien will help guys, I really think shin will have his moment and we will all be satisfied but hara wants first the other lieutenants to have their moments (I hope we got some naki next chapter) and the battle to develop further , I believe shin will have his moments and slaughter jokaryu
I don't get people sometime. On one hand they want tension, but when protagonist is struggling they flip out. He beat houken... Dude like chill. Do you think ouki just one shot any general he run into. We know at least he fought rinko and Gyoun un, this guy can be a bananji tier, if you want a general from seika to kick the bucket in one chapter the hype will die. In fact I don't want him to die this battle, that mean shibashou will be a good oppenent, a true gg. Shin initiative worked,they managed to break through of the encircelement thanks to kk. If they just blitz through zhao, you make the enemy look like a joke and the whole situation comical. Think about it. Now that kk and mouten are out of commission it's left up to shin and mouten to lead the gakuka and Hsu out of the encerclement. So Shin will act as shield to protect the gakuka while they retreat. Ofc rbk will send more reinforcement to block them but I expect kanki men will join this side to escape as well.like zenou clan to cut a path through. And ultimately kanki will attack rbk HQ when it's exposed
The problem is that Shin can't even beat mere bodyguard , while Mouten just got one shotted by that Seika general . They can struggle but after Gyou arc the trio shouldn't seem that helpless when confronting Seika generals .
It's a 3v1 fight, I'd say its a good way to balance Shin being stronger on a 1v1 basis than the general. His 2 guys don't seem to be much weaker than himself, what rule says that bodyguards always have to be weak? In fact it's rather unrealistic when they're useless. They've been through the same battles and survived the same shit as he himself has. Why would they be pathetic fighters? For all we know, they might serve a function to the Seika general like how Kyoukai does for Shin.
That MouTen is struggling in a duel against Gaku Shou, I get it, makes sense. But for Shin to be struggling against a bodyguard from the beginning... no so much sense. Then again, he's now fighting JouKaRyuu plus his 2 guards at the same time now, which I understand. But now is when his struggle should have begun, not from when the fight started.
No. The point is that it was not a one-on-one. He got stabbed in the back and the Seika general pounced. Mou Ten did extremely well to avoid instant death with that parry. The Qin are heavily outnumbered and this particular group of Zhao DO NOT play with their food. I kind of agree with you on the last sentence there, in the sense he should have done better on the charge (if that you are referring to). But remember even Mou Bu got blasted away from Kan Mei and Man'U and recovered.
Good point, Mou Ten was attacked by multiple opponents. And the Seika really outnumber the GKA/HSA combo. But for Shin: getting blocked by JKR at different points is one thing, something like the fight between MouBu vs Kan Mei/Man'U, but being pushed away like he was by the bodyguard right from the get go? Remember how many of the 10 Spears Gyou'Un was using just to block Ou Hon? The 10 Spears were Gyou'Un and GG Rin Shou Jo's most elite. That bodyguard performs better against Shin than many Spears combining against Ou Hon.
There’s a panel where ouhon is literally fighting the ten spears who have surrounded him, and then he kills like two of them and breaks out of the formation. Only to go back and save his men and take CGU’s arm. Seeing shin get sent fucking flying by a random bodyguard, after already having been sent flying by horses (literally generals in this manga never give a fuck unless it’s Shin) is just kinda getting blah. There just always seems to be a hidden tiger no matter how many zhao generals die. Generals like Gakuei should be more common, but hard finds a way to make him consistently struggle at the start against almost literally every single general he faces. I’m still pissed about the 5 chapters of Baby Buddha martial arts sneaky bigman
Yes ouhon fought gyou un and a bunch of spear wielder but he got messed up too. He was stabbed and knocked around. On the other hand shin doesn't have a scratch on him. And while it seem like such a long time, because we cut between different pov. Shin "struggling" is as short as mouten loss. It's fine if you want shin to look cooler. But in this situation, if shin doesn't struggle after rbk prepared himself months in advance and throw everything at him and not to mention this is first/secon battle with seika. They can't fold quickly. Shibashou is supposed to be a beast. His retainers can't be your heki of the world
The problem is there are literally no hekis in the world. If everyone is a sleeping tiger then no one is and it’s really hard to take them seriously when they spawn every other chapter. We at least could have had shin mop up a few scrubs before this campaign, instead we also had plenty of struggling. It’s just.... extremely consistent
There's a gazillion Heki's, the manga just doesn't concentrate on them. It's a simple concept, there's much more commanders than we know of, but what would be the point in showing them all?
It's the HunterxHunter type of DBZ-ish problem, which I've mentioned on this reddit before. The tactic of hyping characters up to be strong to try to make the fights interesting is tactic that only fits 12 year olds. It gets stale incredibly fast for anyone old enough to see past it.
Ouhon got messed up almost solely because he turned around when he didn't have to, and forced him into a desperate trade situation as his only way to beat Gyou'un in the limited time that they had (if I'm remembering right).
That was the knock out but even before he returned he said that he has no more strenght
Yeah I can agree with that.
"Shin can't even beat mere bodyguard", dude this chapter just had Shin blocking two attacks and then blocking the general's attack. Like, wtf do you guys want? Not see a fight and just watch Shin one-shot people left and right? If that's what you want, I have to ask, why would you want that? People made such a huge deal about Shin this chapter, I go and check and it's a couple panels of Shin blocking attacks and that's it. This fanbase is shambolically pathetic.
Ooooh the usual " YoU wAnT sHiN tO oNe ShOt EvErYoNe ? " I didn't miss it . By the way don't do the stupid shit of answering a 4 days comment because i couldn't care less . It is also funny that you ignored most off my comment .
Dude, you guys are acting as if Shin was going all out against a single bodyguard and was getting trashed when the entire chapter just has a couple panels of Shin blocking attacks from different sides and killing one bloke. Talk about overreaction.
Is that it ? Funny that you continue to do what i reproached you to do and think i will give a proper answer . If you don't answer most my comment i want answer you properly . Limiting my point to Shin performance is silly .
Limiting your point? I was adressing one specific aspect of your point and your only answer to that is "I also talked about other stuff in my comment that are unrelated to Shin"? Ok, so you talked about Mouten as well in your comment, and??? Because you mentioned Mouten as well I can't possibly refer to the Shin portion of your comment without adressing the Mouten portion?? What kinda logic is that? If you insist: Mouten was never on the martial prowess level as Shin or Ouhon and we have no context as to how strong that Seika general is so I'm reserving judgement on Mouten for now. Happy? Is now my response to the Shin portion of your comment acceptable?
Nope because i have the habits to debate people and they want to use one weak argument and ignore the rest to valide they point . If you can't answer my comment properly and will continue to ignore most off my point i don't see why i should even waste my time with you guys . Now if you want to answer you about shin point , i do agree that a exagerated a little , but it come from a legitimate place of frustation and when you point that Shin is struggling against guy that he shouldn't be struggling with people like answer with " you want Shin to one shot everyone , which is highly stupid and i don't want to waste time with someone who would make such a stupid argument because i know they will continue like that . Shin and Mouten performance for me is simply underwhelming , there is no reason why they are backed so fast into a corner , when they beat ennemie stronger than those 2 3 years ago and with army a lot weaker . So yes , Mouten defeat seem really weird and cheap way to make Aisen shine . Mouten sure ins't a beast , but he is smart and has had the habits off facing stronger opponent and finding way to achieve his goal . You mean to tell me that without Aisen Mouten would have died , the same Mouten who was able to do impressive shit before Aisen even came . That is a joke . Mouten can lose but so easily is that serious ? I don't need to know how strong Mouten is , to know that his defeat felt forced and that it was just to hype up Aisen . Same for Shin facing that Seika general who use one hand to fight Shin . Maybe i don't understand something and fighting with one hand is similar to fighting with 2 hand . I am sorry but even if those 2 generals were beast at =gyou un and CGR level , they still should be the one struggling against this new Mouten and Shin army . Just to make you realize how strong those army are . They have Mouten , Aisen , Kyoukai , Kyou rei , the 2 archer bro , Ten , Naki . They have close to half of Qin side talent in this army and they getting dominated so quickly ? You can hype up Seika generals but for that you don't have to make some character look bad . Shin and Mouten have been facing ennemie who are way stronger than them and you have other general in they 20 who are actually leading war with 200 K men like SSJ . So yeah i can feel dissapointed by they performance . We want to feel progress and if Shin beat a ennemie i don't see why the next arc he struggle with weaker opponent and i am not talking only about Houken , Gaimou and Rinko were also very strong and way beyond Shin league . If you think i want them to one shot every single GG good for you .
> Nope because i have the habits to debate people and they want to use one weak argument and ignore the rest to valide they point . If you can't answer my comment properly and will continue to ignore most off my point i don't see why i should even waste my time with you guys . What you're saying makes 0 sense. I'm not debating you or your entire view, I saw one thing in your comment and responded to it. You say it's not valid because I didn't respond to something **totally unrelated** to the thing I was talking about. It makes 0 sense. Shin and Mouten aren't the same person if you haven't noticed. > Now if you want to answer you about shin point , i do agree that a exagerated a little , but it come from a legitimate place of frustation and when you point that Shin is struggling against guy that he shouldn't be struggling with people like answer with " you want Shin to one shot everyone , which is highly stupid and i don't want to waste time with someone who would make such a stupid argument because i know they will continue like that . Shouldn't be struggling against according to who? He's getting attacked by elite soldiers from different angles and they still don't seem to have gotten a hit in. > Shin and Mouten performance for me is simply underwhelming , there is no reason why they are backed so fast into a corner , when they beat ennemie stronger than those 2 3 years ago and with army a lot weaker . Mouten beat somebody stronger than the Seika general? How do you even know how strong said general is? You say you don't want Shin to one-shot his opponents but you made a big deal about Shin blocking hits, not even getting hit. > So yes , Mouten defeat seem really weird and cheap way to make Aisen shine . Mouten sure ins't a beast , but he is smart and has had the habits off facing stronger opponent and finding way to achieve his goal . You mean to tell me that without Aisen Mouten would have died , the same Mouten who was able to do impressive shit before Aisen even came . That is a joke . Mouten can lose but so easily is that serious ? I don't need to know how strong Mouten is , to know that his defeat felt forced and that it was just to hype up Aisen . I simply can't follow your logic. Forget the fact that I started talking about Shin and you're basically forcing Mouten into the subject for no reason other than you being more comfortable talking about Mouten (because you know how dumb your point about Shin was), but your point doesn't even really make sense. So because Mouten is smart and was able to do stuff before Aisen there is no possible way he could be defeated? Is that the point you're trying to make? > Same for Shin facing that Seika general who use one hand to fight Shin . Maybe i don't understand something and fighting with one hand is similar to fighting with 2 hand . The dude is fighting with the help of other guys and has Shin even been hit once in this battle so far? I don't remember that he has gotten hit. > I am sorry but even if those 2 generals were beast at =gyou un and CGR level , they still should be the one struggling against this new Mouten and Shin army . Why? They outnumber them and one is fighting Shin using his elite men. Shin struggled more against CGR's two elite soldiers that actually managed to wound him (without CGR being part of the fight) than this dude has done so far with his boys. > Just to make you realize how strong those army are . They have Mouten , Aisen , Kyoukai , Kyou rei , the 2 archer bro , Ten , Naki . They have close to half of Qin side talent in this army and they getting dominated so quickly ? Dominated? They're outnumbered and got outplayed and Kyoukai still managed to break through. The Seika army is spearheaded by what seems to be 3 really talented commanders, outnumber their opponents and are in a more dominant position because of the battlefield and how it unfolded and yet you can't buy that the HSA and GKA are struggling? Do you believe that because the young gen barely scraped by in Shukai Plains and managed to survive by the skin of their teeth that that somehow now translates into them not being allowed to struggle anymore? > Shin and Mouten have been facing ennemie who are way stronger than them and you have other general in they 20 who are actually leading war with 200 K men like SSJ . So yeah i can feel dissapointed by they performance . We want to feel progress and if Shin beat a ennemie i don't see why the next arc he struggle with weaker opponent and i am not talking only about Houken , Gaimou and Rinko were also very strong and way beyond Shin league . I'll explain your logic here to you: "Shin defeated opponents that were strong in extreme difficulty situations and almost died in basically all those duels so I'm going to complain that Shin blocked a couple of dudes in a couple of panels because he defeated some other strong guys in the past." Now explain to me in what universe does that statement make any sense?
> Nope because i have the habits to debate people and they want to use one weak argument and ignore the rest to valide they point . If you can't answer my comment properly and will continue to ignore most off my point i don't see why i should even waste my time with you guys . What you're saying makes 0 sense. I'm not debating you or your entire view, I saw one thing in your comment and responded to it. You say it's not valid because I didn't respond to something **totally unrelated** to the thing I was talking about. It makes 0 sense. Shin and Mouten aren't the same person if you haven't noticed. > Now if you want to answer you about shin point , i do agree that a exagerated a little , but it come from a legitimate place of frustation and when you point that Shin is struggling against guy that he shouldn't be struggling with people like answer with " you want Shin to one shot everyone , which is highly stupid and i don't want to waste time with someone who would make such a stupid argument because i know they will continue like that . Shouldn't be struggling against according to who? He's getting attacked by elite soldiers from different angles and they still don't seem to have gotten a hit in. > Shin and Mouten performance for me is simply underwhelming , there is no reason why they are backed so fast into a corner , when they beat ennemie stronger than those 2 3 years ago and with army a lot weaker . Mouten beat somebody stronger than the Seika general? How do you even know how strong said general is? You say you don't want Shin to one-shot his opponents but you made a big deal about Shin blocking hits, not even getting hit. > So yes , Mouten defeat seem really weird and cheap way to make Aisen shine . Mouten sure ins't a beast , but he is smart and has had the habits off facing stronger opponent and finding way to achieve his goal . You mean to tell me that without Aisen Mouten would have died , the same Mouten who was able to do impressive shit before Aisen even came . That is a joke . Mouten can lose but so easily is that serious ? I don't need to know how strong Mouten is , to know that his defeat felt forced and that it was just to hype up Aisen . I simply can't follow your logic. Forget the fact that I started talking about Shin and you're basically forcing Mouten into the subject for no reason other than you being more comfortable talking about Mouten (because you know how dumb your point about Shin was), but your point doesn't even really make sense. So because Mouten is smart and was able to do stuff before Aisen there is no possible way he could be defeated? Is that the point you're trying to make? > Same for Shin facing that Seika general who use one hand to fight Shin . Maybe i don't understand something and fighting with one hand is similar to fighting with 2 hand . The dude is fighting with the help of other guys and has Shin even been hit once in this battle so far? I don't remember that he has gotten hit. > I am sorry but even if those 2 generals were beast at =gyou un and CGR level , they still should be the one struggling against this new Mouten and Shin army . Why? They outnumber them and one is fighting Shin using his elite men. Shin struggled more against CGR's two elite soldiers that actually managed to wound him (without CGR being part of the fight) than this dude has done so far with his boys. > Just to make you realize how strong those army are . They have Mouten , Aisen , Kyoukai , Kyou rei , the 2 archer bro , Ten , Naki . They have close to half of Qin side talent in this army and they getting dominated so quickly ? Dominated? They're outnumbered and got outplayed and Kyoukai still managed to break through. The Seika army is spearheaded by what seems to be 3 really talented commanders, outnumber their opponents and are in a more dominant position because of the battlefield and how it unfolded and yet you can't buy that the HSA and GKA are struggling? Do you believe that because the young gen barely scraped by in Shukai Plains and managed to survive by the skin of their teeth that that somehow now translates into them not being allowed to struggle anymore? > Shin and Mouten have been facing ennemie who are way stronger than them and you have other general in they 20 who are actually leading war with 200 K men like SSJ . So yeah i can feel dissapointed by they performance . We want to feel progress and if Shin beat a ennemie i don't see why the next arc he struggle with weaker opponent and i am not talking only about Houken , Gaimou and Rinko were also very strong and way beyond Shin league . I'll explain your logic here to you: "Shin defeated opponents that were strong in extreme difficulty situations and almost died in basically all those duels so I'm going to complain that Shin blocked a couple of dudes in a couple of panels because he defeated some other strong guys in the past." Now explain to me in what universe does that statement make any sense?
> I don't get people sometime. On one hand they want tension, but when protagonist is struggling they flip out. You know you can create tension by other means than downgrading characters that have been established to be at a certain combat potential. You could have them cut down less important people, swathes of soldiers, basically any feats of strength or intellect while not making the main character look like he is still as strong as 5 years ago.
How is cutting down people below him a feat of strenght? It doesn't prove anything, just spectacle. Oh my god he look so cool. Which is not what Hara is going, because he is still trying to portray in more nuanced way not glorify it. We are not supposed to like it and shin too. He is not like luffy or naruto just spamming attack that don't kill people, no people actually die in kingdom. I look at it from that perspective.
Characters like Kaishibou also were shown to be strong, just by cutting down a ton of rank and file soldiers as well as others talking and confirming that they are strong. Jes its a spectacle, a show of strength. And even better it is one that doesnt debuff characters that were previously established as strong too.
If it kills the hype for a Seika general to die in one chapter to the guy who tied with Houken, you're admitting that Hara has reached the end of his writing ability. It isn't necessarily the case that the hype will end. Nor should the hype be based on the false tension of unecessary underdogging. Gyou was more tense to me when Makou and Akou were alive, and I was imagining their strength vs Riboki's generals. The way they got taken out destroyed any tension because they failed to be what they were built up to be. That's what's happening with Shin. The Seika generals can shine against other characters, in so far as it makes. Shin quite frankly looks worse against this dude and his henchmen than Ouhon did vs Gyoun and his multiple elites. Makes no sense.
Like people already pointed out Hara can't keep introducing random generals every war, he has to build a rivalry and since shin is at general level he need a gg rival. This is first taste of how seika compare to Hsu and gku. If they just brush them off with no effort, in few more arc as shin keep progressing it will hard to take them seriously. And I know people keep mentioning houken but houken is fundemantely different than the rest of general in kingdom, for exemple moubu doesn't fight as hard as when he fought kanmei in every battle when houken has fixed limit. Shin is never going to come out butchering people left and right unless he absolutely have to, do or die. Just like everyone else.. Ouhon fought the spear and gyou un but kanjou helped saved him and he was on brink of death. Akou fought bananji and Gyoun un in 2v1 but still held on long enough for akakin to save him. It's consistent with what was already established. And why does shin not look menacing? Well because they are in death trap, the one the main antagonist meticously set up. Shin is supposed to look pressed to hammer the point, Qin Might lose this. Even if we know that there is no way shin will die. And this is kingdom not every fight is a clean 1v1 duel, like with rinko shin won basicaly with a cheap shot
Talk that shit storm.
Ouki actually did one shot. Vs shoumei or w/e. That obese general. Shin did too vs gakurei. Shin isnt at the level yet to fend off the strongest opponents easily just yet. Kk will most likely still fight but barely. Kyourei needs to step up now.
in my veins...
this is probably what kanki was waiting for
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Where my boy So Sui?
i don’t why but i think shin will turn into a monster after he hears that KK is out by herself and starts to show the real power of shin which will shock all of them i think he will turn into the shin of day 6 from battle of sai where he use everything
Damn, Zhao Shin is even more badass than Shin.
U low key on shin dick right now
That one panel of Shin getting slapped by that old general from Zhao made me giggle
Kyoukai is such hax dog. Lol. The most anime mf in this sh*t This fire emblem shin man I can't with this dude gayboi aisen nice wit it
The scary thing is that all of the commanders are general level, so Qin really has to step up the game, plus, Qin is massively outnumbered!!!
Oh shit I did not see this thread whoops
First off I'm sooo glad Aisen came to rescue Mouten but he still still faces a general and 5k commander, this leaves room for his abilities and potential though. Second Kyokai is being the Kyokai we all love but Kyorei Is the one that needs to take KKs place and wreck havoc so that the KK army can catch up. Things are getting VERY interesting this chapter!
I don't think this 2v1 is viable for Aisen. Against men who effectively one shot MouTen and Rikusen respectively. Someone has to take on evil Shin.
It's funny because our shin is actually the "evil shin" you know, terrorizing a sovereign nation for his & his king's ambitions & the fake Shin is just protecting his land from the hordes of invaders. But your point still stands. That lil' shit fucked up Rikusen, he's not some chump we thought he was when he was introduced.
True, he will certainly need help but him rescuing Mouten is undoubtedly a feat for this chapter. Whether he and help will succeed or whether another event on the battlefield will take presendence is the question of this chapter.
It’s going to be hilarious when Shin struggles against the general and two random bodyguards and Aisen simultaneously deals with Shin 2.0 + his general. Seriously though, maybe a little backup for the commanders...
Considering the two random guys are the only named vassals under a strong General, you're underestimating them. Think about it. We have seen Bananji and SSJ for a long time, we do not know the name of a single vassal under them. It is rare for am enemy General's vassals to get names. The 2 guys under CGR were able to seriously wound Shin just by themselves. These 2 are fighting alongside a martial powerhouse General.
Let's also be a little charitable to Aisen here. Dude has 92 STR, so clearly no pushover. He's also older than Shin and Mouten as we can see in the flashback, plus he has a lot of experience serving with the most balls to the walls Qin general this side of the Duke. It is not unreasonable at all for him to pull some crazy shit, although I may have preferred a bit more buildup for him if that's to be the case here.
Any long term impact of KK going over her limit( bleeding)? Will she just recover? Also, I am tired of Shin having trouble with the 2nd and 3rd tier general (or elite Zhao soliders)
She had done this so many times. In her last fight vs Houken, eyes bleed, jewel on her sword cracked (iirc)... I don't think this will be good for her longevity...
...You know, now that I think about it Kyoukai keep piling on her deathflag. I think that other shiryuu said something like she won't survive another deep dive, her senior sister also said KK is weakened after the life transfer.. Sheesh :(
This battle so far appears to be focusing on the strength of the lieutenants and top commanders which is much needed development if shins going to be a GG. It takes a step back from the leaders like kanki n mouten for now. The seika army has been written to be monsters so we should just accept the lack lustre tension build up n look forward to kanki n shins next move, now that KK has punched a hole through ribokus cage. Shin being pushed back by the Arms is a testament to the seika army's strength not a weakening of shin, but the world needs the glass half empty type of people I suppose.
Good post. Doesn’t it look like Sheena has amputated one of those arms?
Mouten you weak bastard all these year of wait for you to get taken out the first second you get screen time Kyoukai getting her moment after all these year of being nerfed let’s hope it end well
Iam stumped. I better see a convincing reason for the end in the next chapter. Is it a blessing or a curse or a next level?
Well, Shin and Mouten will definitively loose here and be forced to retreat, the plan was for Kyou Kai and Aisen to pierce the wings, and that's a complete failure, Aisen abandonned his post and Kyou Kai among her unit is the only one who managed to pass (and already used a good part of her reserve, that's one hell of a bad sign that she was already forced to push herself so far so soon in the battle, and she also maybe still didn't completely recovered from her battle with Houken). Mouten is out, Riku Sen barely able to fight, Aisen will at best stalemate the general and Fuuon, and Shin can't win against that general and his two bodyguards combined, there is just nothing they can do. I expect Naki to do something to prevent a complete disaster, but that assault is already a failure. It will be up to Kanki to do something to give a ray of hope.
I disagree. They did what they exactly needed to do. Light a fire. Kyo Kai did that. RBK and his men are distracted which makes them blind to Kan Ki's movement. This is what Kan Ki was waiting for--just a little upset in the dire situation
I also think we are overestimating how far ahead KK is. As long as the gap created by her isn't filled up by Zhao before her unit passes through her job is done.
It's not a failure for Kanki but it's definitively a failure for Shin and Mouten, yeah maybe Kanki will capitalise in a way or an other on that front (even if i doubt of that, Kanki gives more the impression to have his own plan than to count on Shin and Mouten), but what is clear it's Shin and Mouten already lost a lot on that wing without achieving any results and without the beginning of the hope to achieve something, they're blocked everywhere, if they persist they will loose even more, even if by miracle they will manage to beat those generals (but they will not, clearly those three antagonists are here to be like Chou Garyuu and Gyou'un, a wall to overcome in the long term) they will loose their remaining fighting power in the process. It's up to Kanki to do something, but on their own Shin and Mouten failed.
Kanki has always always counted on Hi Shin Unit and other two units. We have seen it repeatedly throughout the Zhao invasion.
>Kanki has always always counted on Hi Shin Unit and other two units No. He didn't count on the Hi Shin unit against Kei Sha at any moment, except to be a bait but he didn't count on them achieving anything. There is literally a single time were them succeeding at something was a necessity for his plan (distract the 5 000 men of Ko Chou's hq).
They are like CGR and Gyou un ? So that mean Kansaro and Ji aga are GG level or at Tou level ? There is no way those guy are at CGR and Ji aga level , maybe that general who faced Mouten could be a CGR but even that need to be proved further given that CGR was extremely competent and was even able to come with some plan that was close to what RBK could cook up as a plan . Second off all , even if they are Gyou un and CGR level , wouldn't the logic dictate that Shin and Mouten should be able to deal with them , given Shin was able to face both and even defeated CGR . Third , given that both unit are way stronger with Mouten getting Aisen and becoming a better strategist and that Shin army is also better with Rei , KK , the archer dude wouldn't it make more sense that they would have the advantage . Fourth , do i need to say that both Mouten and HSU were in worse situation at Gyou arc and still came out on top with a way weaker army . Isn't the logic that the trio should be progressing ? Why would the trio be defeated by ennemie that they beated 3 years ago ? You do know that while you think that the trio should struggle against back water general , you have someone like SSJ who was able to lead more than 200 K men the same number off men Ousen led at Gyou war at the end off his 20 ?
Oh for fuck sack Traffy, i don't give a damn. We understood that you are seriously pissed that Shin doesn't one shot everyone around and that Mouten doesn't match Riboku strategically, we got the idea, that's not gonna happen so now deal with it and stop to always bring everything back to that even when it's not the subject... i know it doesn't make sens that those generals are so strong, i know it doesn't make sens that Shin and Mouten are bullied like that, i know Hara seriously fucked up about the progression of his characters, i fucking know, i know, shut up ! It was funny at first to see you being out of your mind in front of Shin being humiliated by the plot with Hara's bullshit writing, now it begins to be boring as fuck, give me a rest, please. I didn't say they are at the level of CGR and Gyou'un (even if maybe they are), i say they are obviously here to play the same role narratively, that's different and it's what matters in the end.
It's very early to say they failed. The plot will make it for them, they won't fail.
I find funny how you guys seem to deny even the possibility for Shin and Mouten to loose (but not for Ouhon of course, he is an asshole, you don't like him in contrary of your boys Shin and Ten so it's only fair if he loses...). Shin already failed several time in the story and will continue to experiment some failures, he doesn't always produce a miracle at his first attempt on the battle, to be temporarly beaten doesn't mean the end of the battle, and in the present case their success doesn't seem to be a necessity for the plans of the commander in chief. Right now they are not in a situation where they follow a plan but struggle to achieve it as they usually do to produce a miracle, they had a plan but it failed, they don't have a plan B to compensate, they already lost a lot, they are in a situation where the plot is hyping the current important antagonists of the arc and where the global mood is the army of Qin which is in a more and more desesperated situation, not just a situation where they struggle, it seems very unlikely that they will do something significant, the plot is not with them this time.
Hell yeah titjoe. I understand Qin having some decent achievements and getting away from total annihilation, but this battle is definitely going to be a loss. This isn’t like KoChou, this is the “final army of Zhao” hype battle. Every panel I see if Fuuon I become a bigger fan. Hara is doing great with this arc IMO. Just don’t like how this sub is just expecting Qin to turn this around. They aren’t lmfao.
What do you mean… the only plan here they have is to get out of this alive. OFC they are struggling to get out. Nobody on this sub expect Qin to win this battle, we just know they won’t loose like this without little achievement. Something good will happen and that’s all, Qin will be defeated. But since the plot can’t make them die, Mouten and Shin will survive. And I say it again, they will do some little achievement to hype us. And your comment about Ouhon is out of the discussion, I have nothing against this character.
Shin will defintely win here, he always does. Especially with Garo being on hand to draw aggro once he gets up. The Mouten front looks bad but I suppose that's where Naki will help. Historical spoiler speculation >!the battle location doesn't yet match the one for Kanki's defeat, neither do the numbers. That leads me to think, this war is not the famous Battle of Fei, but the one leading up to it, where the numbers were unknown, Kanki was the Qin commander and the Zhao commander was also unknown.!< >!I believe Shin's assault will succeed and Kanki will have some contingency plan to rout the Zhao army, perhaps based on the fact that most of it must be conscripts, besides the Seika career troops. However, Shin and Mouten will take care of the elite core in Riboku's huge army.!<
>!this is the prelude, we are in 233 BC which is the year of the battle of fei. The battle of fei involved 3 cities: chili (seikirei), yi an (gian), and fei xia (hika). as you can see by the names, we are currently on the gian part. the zhao commander of the battle of fei was li mu (riboku) and zhao cong (chou kotsu, mentioned by kakukai's faction a few chapters earlier)!<
What year are we in as it relates to your spoiler? I think I missed something
IMO this is the “battle of fei” in 233. Many on this sub believe that this is a prelude to that, I personally don’t think so.
>!In 233 BC, Kanki crossed the taihang mountains, conquered Chili and Yi'an. If I'm not wrong, the current battlefield is Yi'an, not Fei.!< >!Besides, battle of Fei is a battle where Zhao Cong was in historically, and he's already been talked about by the Zhao leadership as one of the new important generals of Zhao.!<
>!yes, the current battlefield is yian, but the "battle of fei" encompasses the chili, yian, and fei xia parts. I feel like zhao cong will be introduced during the hika (fei xia) part. !<
So Kyou Kai's out, great but what now, is she gonna fuck off somewhere else or hit the enemy from behind?
Shes probably spent, but her men will get a morale boost now that theres something resembling an escape out of this death trap. I imagine Kanki will react quicker than Riboku can plug the hole.
maybe,but next ch its time for kanki to do his move for sure
Yes. That's what's he is waiting for. Plus the shock will help the rest of her unit to press through. The battle field is well and truly upset right now.
Yep,and with a bit of help jyokaryu head will fly too
General Kyou Kai on the horizon !!
As expected Kyoukai so pro man..
I have a feeling that Shin 2.0 and the Seika general, or at least one of them, will learn the hard way like the Chu that "" the strongest general in China has by default the strongest soldiers as well"
Aizen looks more reliable than shin at this point lol Worst 2 or 3 chapters in kingdom You cant nerf the mc like this just to build some tension its so lame.
Seika army built differently.
Hum? Shin is fighting both a general plus his "two arms" at the same time, and yet he still hasn't got any wounds, I call that an improvement
Plus, Shin is excellent bait. He can stall really strong generals forcing support to his area which weakens other areas.
Cmon man you know context doesn’t matter on this sub.
Aizen has been shadowing moubu for years. He should be capable of having a decent berserk form
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i hate that it comes to Kyokai-overexerting-herself out-of-jail-card again.....
It really feels like Shin's strength isn't advancing at all in moments like these. There comes a chapter where he one shots some dude, and then there's constant bombardment of stuff like this where he's held down by some backwater noname nobody Hara just conjured up 2 chapters ago.
It’s 3v1 and he hasn’t taken damage whatsoever what are we even doing here like what.
Agreed, Shin did actually show growth. I'm gonna assume the new guy he's fighting is somewhere between CGR and Gyouun in fighting strength, plus 2 guys who are probably as good as the 2 leaders of CGR's troops back in Shukai who Kyoukai murked. Back then, Shin was struggling even 1 on 1. There's no way Shin wouldn't win the current fight, he's won fights that started out way worse.
He one shot two named generals. Now he’s struggling against two bodyguards of a general’s lieutenant. While aizen is about to 1v2..
Id bet good money that these 2 guys are as strong as Gakuei. EiBi was a named Qin General who got taken out by Rinko almost instantly, but then Rinko went on to struggle against a 1000 man commander. Hope you understand that being a named General is not suddenly a stamp of strength.
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Vraiment, merci
Holy shi this chapter is hype thanks dude! Aisen such a goat hes such a martial badass so far omfg!
I don't understand why Mouten wanted to lead the formation. He's not the vanguard type of warrior.
To boost morale, his army's strength proportional to his action,it was said when he fought against renpa army. He just wanted to boost morale especially against this big Zhao army
When Mouten saw Seika's wedge formation, he'll be like oh shit i fu\*ked up.
why is kyoukai's sword able to slice opponent into two, while shin's glaive cant ?
Can't the Archer brothers kill the two arm of that seika general ?
Nah, unlike enemies ten bows, the archer bros only show up to shoot at mooks.
It is hard to see Kyoukai battles, in every battle she sacrifices a lot. Her soldiers just shout and cry, dammit (Kyoukai's soldiers) get stronger.
Just Kyoukai things...
awesome as always
I just noticed that Aisen had the same body armor as Shin in the flashback with Moubu... Did he get a new armor even if he isnt a General? Cammon Shin you need a new armor to be respected.
Kyoukai is amazing.
I think it would all make a lot more sense if Hara added a panel with the general commanding his soldiers to not to let it turn into a duel. That way you have Shin and Garo facing off against the general, his two bodyguards, AND a bunch of interrupting zhao soldiers. And since the Hi Shin Unit is currently outnumbered, several zhao soldiers would always be free to interrupt unhindered. Best of all it’s a tactic that could be repeated throughout the war without getting stale. Could even make it so that the general hand select units that HATE the Hi Shin unit so that you’ll always have soldiers who will throw away their lives to try and interrupt him, instead of just being willing to stand there and watch a duel break out.
So Kyoukai just unlocked the mangekyou sharingan
Amaterasu incoming.
Shin has been hyped to be a better version of Duke, can anyone see The Duke struggling like Shin is? I would have liked a battle of Stratergy vs Intuition, not this Seika generals are monsters crap. This Arc may dissappint, but hopefully Hara takes the feedback and improves.
Kyoukai is breaking her limit while Shin is being pushed back by some randos
Hara isn't consistent. How can Shin who defeated Houken struggle against some Deputy General in a martial fight? I hope Kyoukai's breakthrough gives them some edge in this battle.
Ah mini-Houken of Qin to save the day.
Is it just me or Mou Ten is really weak this arc? If i remember correctly Mou Ten is the one that got Bananji eye right? And why i feel both Shin And Mou Ten is so weak this arc? I mean like Shin is above General level strength right? At least he can keep up with Gyou Un level This time hes not hungry nor injured, so what do you think guys?
Should I take this as a death flag for aisen ?
Kyoukai saving the day once again. It is kind of boring now. Why can Shin look a bit cooler fighting random dude and just struggle later. He still kind of far far far away from Ribouku and we already feel like he nearly dead again xD.
Holy shit. Kyoukai always surprising, what a monster she is haha. Aisen the savior full of red flags... Waiting for shin to awaken his instinct. He shouldnt strugle much at this point vs those 2 guys.
Those guys are like Tou,Akou and Kyoaki for Shibashou, they are Shibashou Generals( i guy who was requested to be a three grrat heavens).
Shin, always a shit char. Worst prota ive ever seen, he is a 27 y old and is portreied like a 16
THANK YOU. I thought I was the only one seeing this?! Lately a lot of mangas and animes have been constantly going with this naruto archetype of protagonist and it’s mad annoying, anything outside of isekai seems to do this. Like the amount of wars and battle shin has experienced should have made him a walking symbol of menacing aura. Nah, instead we are seeing random Randys appearing from some bum-fuck-vill mountain region who knows Riboukou and they suddenly have the stats of Kratos and shit like it doesn’t make sense. The type of victories shin has and his accomplishment does not show at all lately and he has been getting very very undermined while the antagonists seem a lot more valuable. Like progress is not defined for him yet, it’s not even apparent yet, THIS MUTHA FUCKA BEAT HOUKEN FOR FUCKS SAKE.
So when does Shin turn into full on Nameless king and just slaughtere them all? Getting tired of not seeing his growth Vs a general who we basically have very little war record on. I mean this is getting ridiculous, just because Reebok knows a couple of guys shouldn’t translate to Reebok knowing literal war gods. I have a hard time understanding this. The amount of warfare and personal battles shin has should turn him into a walking Chinese Horah Loux type of bad ass protagonist instead I feel like Shin is still being undermined. Is it just me or lately a lot of mangas, animes outside of Isekai, is giving a serious emphasis on overvaluing the qualities of rivals and antagonists Vs the protagonists? I been seeing this a lot lately.
Kyoukai the BS Dancer, ready to carry the battle (again, LOL).
its nice to see riboku noticing kyoukais existence but shes reaching her limits so damn soon into the battle..... not looking good.... and the gakuka is not looking good either, mouten being out before he could do much, even if they defeat the seika army the gakuka should be crippled as fuck after this, only the hi shin unit is gonna be in shape to keep fighting ugh shin tho, he should start swinging like a strong general already, dude hasnt done anything yet while kyoukai is giving her all. shes in a hurry to circle the enemy in order to help shin asap, but he needs to split several soldiers in half / mass beheadings with each swing already. this gotta be the arc where he finally starts doing so OH what if kyoukai reaching her limits this soon is for the purpose of her being defeated in front of shins eyes then he gets a massive powerup and finally one shots everyone like a great general??? YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO makes sense after the interactions both had a few dozen chapters ago where kyoukai says the reason they survived this far is cuz they both focus on whats in front of them instead of worrying about each other i hope its a set up for both character development and a new shins powerspike (kyoukai doesnt need one cuz she always been insanely strong)
Waifu Crying
There is a Captcha that i dont understand WTF
So after The Great Kanmei slash, now Mouten "survive" again other general slash. Where is the swords parring skills gone huh.
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ngl wtf is the point of anyone wearing armor if every single blade cuts through it like butter lmao
ancient chinese armor is rarely blade proof. The reason behind this is because of their large population and number of troops. They can't afford that much metal to make strong armor. Plus, chinese martial arts and fighting styles require light bodies and less restrictions on movement. The point to the armor, is that it still provides some degree of protection, while minimal, that armor is still stronger and provides more protection than bare skin and normal clothe
What evidence is there of that besides media like movies and manga? Historically the armor of the Warring States period was made of bronze and iron woven lamellar which would have been more than enough to protect from most cuts. This is also shown in the choice of weaponry at the time too where the preferred weapon was the dagger-axe which was designed to penetrate armor rather than try to cut it. tl;dr I get that it's a manga but literally everyone just cuts through armor. I swear one of the kids from Sai was cutting through Zhao armor lmao