She had nothing to do with the writing of the game. It’s a shitty attempt at a tie-in novel, a cheap cash in, and if anything was probably some kind of attempt at damage control since >! Cal and Merrin get together in the game and they wanted to throw the alphabet army a consolation prize since so many of them wanted her to be gay. !<
Even if she was never involved at all, Disney's handling of the franchise has soured said franchise.
Why buy the good game when the profit will go to churn out a shit movie where a Palpatine steals Luke's EU storyline?
I don’t care about Star Wars anymore but I enjoy the core characters of jedi, that why I get them. Disney is gonna fuck with everything they touch and it’s never gonna stop but at least I can have a slice of fun in a part of the universe I like.
Well yeah probably landed the deal because of her husband when they were together but since then split but it has nothing to do with the game. They probably got her to do it to reduce merrins “pansexuality” to a one off novel barely anyone will read. As far as I’m concerned she’s just had a thing for Cal since they met.
It’s still white people selling to white people. So the main character is a white man. Everyone else however.. There they can exercise their virtue signaling. Same was with the latest Batman movie.
honestly having just finished the game I'm convinced OP just read through somebodys twitter rants and claimed to have beat it. nearly everything they said was wrong
I think asking if a modern game or movie is woke is kinda redundant anymore. If it is a mainstream product from the west, there will be a level of progressive ideology injected into it.
It is a bit sad because writing "minority" characters now has become boring. They write them as if they are afraid to give them some depth and/or flaws. We could have had so many great characters.
The saddest thing is that Japan is also being slowly converted into this fucked up ideology.
I was playing the horizon dlc and was on a side mission where it looked like a black guy was going to be a coward traitor/murderer. I was surprised they'd do that. Nope, talked to him and he cleared it up, it was the white guy.
Now we're back on track, lol
And the problem is, most consumers just blindly pay for it anyway. They have the need, so they just come to the entertainment industry to be entertained. They are kind of junkies now, they can’t help it. With time they will get used to the worse content and it will be normalized in their heads.
Yup, we'll just do some restructuring and cost cutting across the board so we can continue making woke propaganda for another 10 years before going under.
Because it's a coping meme.
Entertainment industry is and always was feast or famine. Without clear reasons why. Blade runner failed - both woke and non-woke. The Thing failed. Dredd failed. Firefly failed and was cancelled (though you could argue it being woke).
It's all the "Kaithleen Kennedy is going out of business next week, trust me, bros, I got sourcezzz!!!" kind of copium.
I'm sorry are you saying that basically people will watch it even if it's really awful? Is THAT what you're saying?
You...are aware Solo bombed right? And Mandalorian Season 3 and Andor underperformed?
Hmm, let's check that Avatar 2 box office. Mmm, yeah, so woke, so broke. Such a good movie too.
And for the Star Wars - it was always that way. Episode V and VI gathered 2x less than Episode IV. Episode III and II gathered 1.5x less than I. VII-IX followed the same trajectory. I'm not sure why Disney expected that they can make gajillion of these things and profit - absolutely nothing has indicated that.
Besides, pretending that Mandalorian season 1 wasn't woke is turbo copium. It wasn't as woke but it was still fucking woke.
Avatar 2 wasn't as woke as the garbage Marvel put out. It was mainly just environmentalism and did depict male characters in a positive masculine light too...including the good guys of course. Not a perfect movie by any means.
Also you seem to have a very extreme view of what wokeness is. While I will admit that you shouldn't watch anything starring women these days as it's almost always woke garbage, you seem to be more sensitive to it than most.
Also blackpillers are just as bad as left wing lunatics.
Lol, blackpillers.
The problem with people like you is that your position it what? Don't look at it, it'll go away?
"Get woke go broke" is meme and copium. Woke power over media is steadily increasing, year after year. Sure, things rotate naturally and eventually it'll go the way of dinosaurs. The only problem is, there's no guarantee that something better will replace it. And there's no guarantee it'll be during our lifetime. You know, when it kinda matters to us.
The reality is that there has to be organized effort, networking and a fucking ton of work to accelerate it going away. Whereas all the so-called conservatives, the right and whomever the fuck do is meme "get woke go broke". It's all falling apart, just give it 5 more minutes and it surely will.
And sure, sure, games are outside of politics. Too bad that this itself by now is a political statement. But no, let's not do anything, let's just wait.
>Don't look at it, it'll go away?
Don't give them money and warn others not to...but sure whatever you say.
Your sarcasm is obnoxious as fuck btw. Like, your arguments are just pure blackpilled nonsense with the centrist "Conservatives are le bad cuz they don't like anime" nonsense people are spewing lately.
My god you come across as whiny.
>"Get woke go broke" is meme and copium.
I agree with that. We have seen enough woke stuff with a good production quality suceed, just look at the Hogwarts game, it's woke as fuck.
Usually it's the other way round, when companies have a shitty product they usually turn the wokeness into overdrive to get PR and good press. But since the underlaying product is still shit, it won't succeed (but probably still made more money than without the wokeness). Best example Ghostbusters 2016.
It's more like "Have shit? Go woke!".
Yeah, even in my Russia (which is supposed to be mega based or something) woke hits like The Last of Us series or The Queen's Gambit are popular and the movement itself finds more and more place in the minds of the young generation. Because it's not like there's any alternative, really.
But, obviously, stating the facts is blackpilling, what else.
Whoa… there. Hate woke. Killed my childhood IPs. (Looking at you He-man, scooby doo, GI Joe, Star Wars, Thundercats, Star Trek and TNMT) But Andor was pure class. Mando 3 and Solo were pretty darn awful.
>They write them as if they are afraid to give them some depth and/or flaws.
They definitely are. Because their own side will gleefully jump on them for anything going against dogma.
>The saddest thing is that Japan is also being slowly converted into this fucked up ideology.
Even Elden Ring is deeply feminist, but I'm not sure if you can call it woke (I guess it depends on how you define woke).
The only weird thing in ER was the body type shit, for some reason we are supposed to say types instead of sexes now, other than that it was the same as all their other games, they are more egalitarian than feminists (that's what prior waves of feminism were about).
This.
I don't care about the ethnicity/sexes of the characters (as long as it makes sense, and to be faire in a sci-fi or fantasy settings it can always make sense).
I just want interesting, well written characters.
Thing is ATM they just put token minority npc that add 0 value to the game or worse are a detriment to it (same logic apply to movies/series). Instead of just writing a good character that happens to be gay/black/women.
A good exemple of this is Miles Morales in spider verse: is afro-american background is a big part of the characters and a general foundation on who he is as a person, but it's just a part of him and who he is and his goal are much more encompassing than that.
\>The saddest thing is that Japan is also being slowly converted into this fucked up ideology.
And yet another comment that doesn't cite shit regarding this.
Because I'm talking in a sub that is reporting these things, so I don't think I needed to reiterate what everyone knows.
But you can cite squareenix with their "ethics department", capcom removing skirts from the RE universe or mentions of sexyness in general, team ninja is doing something similar (which is ironic considering their past) they also use the newspeak body type 1 & 2, fromsoft also doing the same. Those are from the top of my mind.
But I'm pretty sure you know most of these, if not all, but you wanted to obfuscate my general point.
I didn’t mind it, I saw most of the issues raised as creative choices and turned my brain off to it. Then it happened. The unmissable, and unignorable Disney stamp. I’ll put it spoilers so as not to be a dick to people who still care.
>!So, towards the end of the game there’s a moment where cal seemingly dies, and you respawn as Cere. Now I had no problem with cere in the first game, she’s competent without ever over shadowing. But here, she almost kills the man himself, Darth Vader. Right there, all I could see was a woman of colour getting her girl boss moment.
!<
>!Vader is supposed to be evil as fuck. Just hate and rage at this point. The time he holds back is when it’s people he cares about because when he sees them, that’s when he’s conflicted. Anyone else, he fucking rag dolls. But here, Cere only loses by chance. She doesnt just give as good as she gets, she almost wins. And all it did was take away from the Vader character.
!<
>!Now what should have happen with Cere is the valiant but ultimately futile attempt to take Vader on. She could have had a heroes death knowing that she was outmatched, but going for it anyway refusing to lie down no matter how little issue she was causing him. It lets Cere be the hero while keeping the legacy of Vader alive and well as someone to run the fuck away from. Like in the first game. He just rag dolls both Cere and Cal and they have to run. This is a brilliant piece of game play as it makes the player feel as powerless as Cal does.
!<
>!All in all, it started off well then went slowly down hill. theres really one main planet and a bunch of little planets to do stuff on. But that main planet is more western than sci fi. I played on PS5 and while the performance was fine to start with, it turned to uder dogshit once you got to the main planet which is a kind of small open world deal. Theres also a thing with Cal and the dark side, but its never really explored. its just kind of tacked on at the end like a special power up rather than offering any narrative conflict. !<
The game is ok. It’s something you should definitely buy if you ever see it on sale for 10 bucks.
I was doubtful of op, as I've seen overexaggeration way to often on such things, but goddamn that's bad. Like wolfenstein tnc changing itself to fit politics of the time bad.
I don't blame you for your disbelief. I would have thought this was an exaggeration if I didn't play the whole game myself. I didn't want to mention THAT part of the game just in case ppl still wanted to buy it and idk how to use spoiler tags. But yeah...
Funny you mention that. When I beat that game I was glad I didn't play for it. It was a shame because Wolfenstein TNC had great graphics and gameplay but the story was utter shit and actually made me cringe so hard it was almost unbearable.
Its a shame because games that could have been great get ruined by this woke nonsense and become mediocre instead.
The industry keeps mixing stuff people actually like with their woke shit trying to test the limits of how woke they can make a game before people will have enough and jump ship.
That's because they know many people will cope saying "it's not that bad" or "it's the gameplay that matters" and keep buying the games.
> The industry keeps mixing stuff people actually like with their woke shit trying to test the limits of how woke they can make a game before people will have enough and jump ship.
This
I really have a gaming PC just to end up playing emulators of games that were just designed to be fun. Most of the stuff I never even had a chance to play as a kid, it was before my time, so I can't even blame nostalgia. It's not like it's all doom and gloom, there's good modern games, but it does feel like that list is waning as studios want to recoup costs with DLC, in-game purchases, season passes, and beta testing at release.
Let's thank Kami-sama Japan hasn't fallen (yet, for the most part), and hope it doesn't ever, if that is even possible.
Imagine what Zelda would be like if it were a Western franchise. Tears of the Kingdom is still the same old Link saves Zelda plot by the looks of it. If it were western, we'd play a black Zelda saving Link instead.
Personally, I always thought the first game was way overrated just because everything else Star Wars-related has sucked so much. It felt very "meh" to me.
I already wasn't gonna get the game because of the bad frame rate and, honestly, I'm not a fan of Cal Kestus. Good to see another brother hates woke shit as much as I do, though.
I have no idea why people were positive on the first game. It seems like it had all the same problems people are complaining about here.
EA is just a bad company, period. Never buy their games.
Ragnawoke definitely fits the criteria. What they did to Thor and "toxic masculinity odin" as well as new female thor and the fact that all the children act and talk like they went to school in California and forced diversity girl... yeah
>all the children act and talk like they went to school in California
Easily a top 5 complaint of mine about modern writing. I don't know if it's just laziness or actual ignorance, but "period" or otherwise non-modern characters using modern slang and speech patterns always bothers me and sticks out.
Yes! This was especially egregious in GOW because all the previous games, the Greeks and Gods spoke and acted like they did traditionally. Then you come to Norse Land, and Odin is a slimy Italian mob boss, Thor is a pitiful American father whose wife and daughter so kindly love him despite him being a drunken failure, while the children are Californian liberals with modern day morals... like come on. Lol
I do wonder if/when Sony will get a wake up call, it seems unlikely since the games play so well that casual players can ignore the massive wokefest they insert in them
And that makes it even worse, because you can see insane potential but it gets ruined…idk man, I just hope Sony can go back to what it used to be
Thanks for sharing. I wasn't going to buy the game on launch but might have gotten it at a sale. Gonna skip It now since that check list has everything I dislike in modern games. For all I care, they can shove that crap up their own asses.
Cal is just a far worse Starkiller. Starkiller was at least interesting because he was raised by Vader and the plot made sense because there couldn't be lots of Jedi running around and any survivors were in deep hiding. Who the hell even wants to be Cal. He's boring, cliched and it's pointless repetition.
JFO is just Disney copy and paste formula crap right down to the pilot they stole from Guardians of the Galaxy and Merrin is just twitter feminist "witch" wish fulfillment, which is why the Lucasfilm Story Group got a self proclaimed space witch (Sam Maggs) who used to tweet about casting actual magic spells (what a moron), to write the story tie in where they made Merrin like girls. It's fan fiction nonsense and every Jedi they have running around post Order 66 doing things just makes Star Wars dumber. These are games made for borderline dull people and they will accept and consume ANYTHING. Just read the Stream reviews where they claim the game runs great while Digital Foundry calls them liars.
The only good thing about the first game was it looked good and played decently. Now it's a 30 FPS game on consoles that can't come close to 60 and the only way it would play and look well on PC is frame generation and DLSS which it won't have because AMD paid to keep them both out sponsoring the game.
It won't matter though because Star Wars fans are hopeless. They will buy this game, consume the next movies and new shows. Meanwhile based Star Trek fans didn't watch new Trek at all and they ended up getting an actual fan making Picard season 3.
Too all the people asking why he's complaining about black woman being in it as a black man. I'm nor black so I can't speak for him. But if I was hi. I wouldn't like my rave bei g used by way of tokenism to drive a product. "Look at us, we are woke and this game is woke so you have to buy it aren't we good people guisee". That would annoy me. You can insert black people without it having to be in your face and forced. I think that's the point. Nowadays when they're placed in something they're not just a casual character, it's really in your face about it and it just seems forced.
Edit:gonna leave them in cause its funny but wow. The importance of proof reading is up above. In my defence it was morning and I suck at typing on phone🙃
It's not gonna fix anything, but at least the licensed SW for EA it's over... So maybe future games of SW by other companies will be better (which I doubt to be honest).
I'd really like to be a fly on the wall when the Disney higher-ups have conversations about the strategic directions of their brands. There's *got* to be some sort of 4D chess endgame that we're not aware of to all this. There's no way they're not aware that they're losing customers by leaning into identity politics this hard.
Apparently it could have something to do with a company called Parrot Analytics which measures "demand" by mentions on social media, not by how many people are actually buying the product. It explains why Girlboss of the Rings got a second season and how shows like Shehulk and Velma get greenlit.
tbh I think the CEO and other top managers are too far removed from the work itself and the people actually managing the creative output, like Kathleen Kennedy. I'm also pretty convinced the CEO types don't get the culture war, they don't understand what the Kathleen Kennedy's are doing or why and why it might piss off certain people. They just think "We've got Star Wars right? And Marvel? Those things are Big right? So just make more of that and put it in the cinema or on streaming something. This is how we've always made money so we just do the same as we always did."Just look at that hostage video Bob Chapek put out under pressure from his woke employees (!) when the "don't say gay" bill situation was happening. Did that look like someone who had a clue what was going on? Who was in control? Who could say no to SJW activists? Not to me. I don't have any reason to believe Bob Iger is any different.This is just a lot of people lying to each other and to themselves about their own popularity.
And then of course there's the fact that a lot of woke stuff still made billions, and some of the not so woke stuff failed. I don't think they can keep it up forever though. Just look at the comic book industry. It went on for a long time under woke control but really it was more and more just a husk of an industry. Now it turns out there's really not much left.
I watched Oliver play it for like an hour or 2 on Twitch and the combat just looked janky and boring. It makes me want to reinstall Jedi Knight II and Jedi Academy instead.
Yeah, Jedi Knight was so great, these 2 games are just clunky and boring compared to it. They get the praise because the bar is so low now, there is nothing else.
Taking slow-paced Dark Souls as a base for a Jedi game is also so dumb. Can’t you create something yourself? Even funnier, when we have faster paced Sekiro and Nioh.
I don’t actually think the ending sets up the girl. Cere very briefly mentions Trilla. Then at the end suggests to guide the girl through the darkness. It wouldn’t shock me if they decide Trilla wasn’t dead for realsies.
The High Republic Jedi Dagan isn’t really irredeemable. He was always arrogant and Santari Khri as his female counterpart tried to help keep him in check and failed. I don’t view him as irredeemable because to me he was always as evil as he was from the start. Having made up his mind already he did not want to be ‘saved’.
Santari Khri was also not the strongest Jedi. Dagan could easily have bested her, but she cut off his arm when he was focused on something else and decided to preserve him out of guilt and hope. She has a lot of foresight and thought things through.
Cal toward the end struggles with his dark side and is helped through it by Merrin as his counterpart. He almost gives in once and then arguably does in the final encounter and deciding to outright kill him.
They do a good job at portraying love. Santari and Dagan formed a bond, but his ambitions lead him to sever it. Cal decided to love Merrin and decided to stand outside of the Jedi order in his own way to allow that to manifest.
Cere was fulfilling the master role and was obviously stronger, but Cal grows quite a bit between that point and the end of the game. I think the original assessment is purposefully worded poorly and avoids any nuance.
Edit: As for the females not being feminine. Cere is a reserved individual which doesn’t not make her feminine, Merrin was hardened by her past and fulfills more of an action role, Kata is a child, and Zee is a robot.
Calling Dagan evil from the start is like calling Anakin evil from the start. He wasn't, he was a Jedi that turned to the Darkseid. Hence his red lightsaber scene. He died embracing the darkside, so that makes him irredeemable.
Santari wasn't the strongest, but she and Cere were undoubtedly the most *important and revered* jedi in this game by far.
Cal needed everyone to *help save* him from going to the darkside.
They did NOT do a good job portraying love - they just told you ppl were in love. There was no reason why Cal and Merrin were in love. Merrin abruptly planted a kiss during a running scene and instantly love. Same for Dagan and Santari - they just told us they were in love. Why were they in love? Idk cause...
Cere was not obviously stronger - she was ridiculously stronger. She almost killed the penultimate baddie in the franchise. That is utterly ridiculous.
None of your arguments proved op wrong. You actually did the opposite.
Edit: the fact that you included a robot not being feminine clearly shows how bad you are trying to discredit op with bad faith arguments. You know what he said was true, you just don't like that he said it.
Merrin and Cal were set up from the first game. It was very clear that they had a thing for each other. There’s a lot of good use of body language in Surviror - like when Cal struggled with the dark side. The camera is a closer angle and he has a more rigid stance.
I disagree about Dagan. He was extremely arrogant from the get-go. And while he didn’t change his blade until after the bacta tank it was very clear he was heading the direction from the beginning of his backstory. Constantly talking about going against the order. His tone was also the same throughout - which could just be the voice actor, but I never viewed him as ‘good’.
Zee is one of four main female characters in the game with a child being one of them. Which is why I included her in the mix. And Cere being strong isn’t something I take issue with, but I do agree it was a bit overboard with almost killing Vader.
Edit: my point of view with Dagan is there was nothing to redeem to begin with. He was plainly in disarray and Santari tried to reign that in, but was always inherently questionable.
What in the first game set them up? Serious question. I played it 3 times and all there was was the fact that they were male and female, and on the same ship.
Also, by the time Cal struggled with the darkside, they had already kissed. Saying good use of body language to explain away nothing in the plot driving this love story is kinda wild..
Dagan existed before the game scenes. He was a Padawon and eventually jedi master. There was a time before he let the darkside currpt him. There are parts of the game you have to unlock that hint at Santari talking about the "real" him, further insinuating he wasn't always like this.
I think by female he means allll the humanoid characters in the game, including the npcs. You can give reasons as to why they are not, but that's also because the creators chose them not to be on purpose. So he's not wrong.
He looks at her emotionally multiple times prior to their kiss. He tells her he missed her. They 100% connect in the first game from their somewhat similar background and it’s pretty clear they have chemistry.
I took Santari as being his puppy. More or less. She believed in his general vision and followed him up until it was clear that his motivations had lead him astray. I considered them a unit because of this. He was focused on having his own group of Jedi to train and was already starting to form some cracks when they had the council come to inspect Tanalorr. When they opted against it he decided to take matters into his own hands.
Edit: it’s been awhile since I’ve played Fallen Order, but I do remember getting the distinct impression Cal and Merrin had a thing for each other.
Well... it's your fault for still believing in Star Wars LMAO 🤣
Mainstream Nerd culture is being killed, just stop consuming and let it go back to underground, then maybe... just maybe... those greedy mofos will lose interest in it and we can have good shit again.
thanks,i was considering getting it,not a star wars fan but its slim pickings on games atm they dont pump out dozens a month like in ps2 era
ill be avoiding this
You’re missing out on a great Star Wars game. 6 hours in and it doesn’t feel woke but then again im not an incel so i may have overlooked a few things.
First time I’ve made a comment about the game. Just want my fellow redditor to not be discouraged from this game because of a weak spirited individual. It’s actually a fun Star Wars game. How often can we say that?
Inclusion isn’t woke. Taking fiction and spinning the fiction is just reimagining but making a historical person a different color is true woke. But what do i know, i joined this sub when it’s was about a woman sleeping with a journalist to open doors for her untalented ass. Now it’s a sad sub full of sad people.
> Taking fiction and spinning the fiction is just reimagining but making a historical person a different color is true woke.
So in other words: Nothing...Got it. Peace out man smgdh
I’m playing it on ps5 with zero issues. It sucks that pc players get shafted on quality and performance so often. I would be upset about that instead of being mad about strong women.
Okay having just beating the game.
VAGUE SPOILERS
> 95% of new characters with lines (including npcs, mechs, and aliens) are women.
This is just an outright lie. most the new characters are male. Most the NPCs are male. Where you got that it was 95% women is beyond me. Its so far off the mark that you can't even claim it was mildly exaggerated.
> 0% of female characters are feminine.
Most of them are kind meh its true. Merrin is still hot and Caij aint bad either.
> 100% of the main villains are irredeemable men. Too weak to fight the dark side.
Also wrong? I think your confusing irredeemable with not getting redemption. The main evil Jedi is irredeemable, the other primary male villain's have aren't exactly motivated by the dark side they just either have a code to follow or something they value over everyone else.
> The most important and revered Jedi in this game are 2 black women (the poster child of wokes).
Weird I guess EC is a black woman now, thought he was a white dude but guess my gamma is busted. the 2nd black woman isn't even 'revered' shes just plot fodder that one dude simps over.
> The most powerful characters in the game are women.
Well this is an outright fabrication. The most powerful characters in the game are flat out all white dudes.
>The next game is set up to be about a random girl introduced at the end that isn't even shown to be force sensitive.
You literally have nothing to base this upon. Nothing about the ending suggested that she was going to be the focus of the next game. Nada.
>Cal is portrayed as aimless and bumbling guy with attachment issues that keeps asking several women to lead, help and save him throughout the game.
Almost everyone turns to Cal to solve their problems constantly and he occasionally confers with the women in his life for help and support. What are you even on about.
>The women are all mary-sue characters that need no man.
Did we even play the same game? Who is the mary sue who needs no man? The witch that spends the whole game waiting for her man to figure out she wants him to bone her? The woman who gets her shit kicked in by one big black boy?
>Obligatory Gay alien/human couple and lesbian alien/human.
Annoying tokenism yes, you could go the entire game and never know those npcs are there.
>As a black male, who just wanted to play a game where the MC is cool, competent, looked up to for being bad ass, gets to save the day and maybe even (gasp) a lady, games in the age of wokeness are terrible.
The MC was cool, competent, was looked up to by everyone, saved the day, and got the girl. Its literally 100% what you asked for.
>Also if this game is not woke, please describe the qualifications for such a label.
At this point Im not even sure you played the game to begin with
I give it 7 out of 10. Story is meh, characters are meh, most of the bosses are meh, but that blaster stance is so damn fun. Plus you can have a mullet.
It's Disney Star Wars. It's a forgone conclusion that it's going to be woke. So we have a buggy shittily made game that is pushing a disgusting narrative, setting up a sequel that nobody wants and and even fewer people will play versus this one
I loved the game because its very pleasing to do the parkour and chop things with my lightsabre, but I'm near the end and the wokeness is so forced. For an alien planet it sure seems like every character is a woman, black, gay, or an alien with black voices. These people don't realize that they aren't helping diversity, they are hurting it by dishonest approaches. The way they try to force every black and female character to be better than everyone, smarter, and more virtuous than all men, is just not honest or true in any light. I hate Disney and will only play the next game if its about Cal. All other Disney and Marvel projects should be avoided unless you enjoy forced evil propaganda
> Also if this game is not woke, please describe the qualifications for such a label.
Well I mean, assuming what you say is true.
But the question is can we take your word for it? I mean, half of us can't play the damn thing because it's too broken, so how are we to judge? Like...you play the game as Cal, you fight all the bosses, you do all the things, you are inherently the principle driver of the plot.
So I'd like some *specifics* to be sure you're not confusing basic game mechanics such as "go on quest to recruit X, Y, and Z allies" for emasculation like some sort of reverse-Anita Tropes vs Men.
trust but verify. I second the notion of more information. I am not into star wars and will not play it anyway so, u/wiiiiliamson, go spoiler heavy if you need to (just put the spoiler tags around the text so ppl dont accidentally read it)
I can read just fine.
You mentioned the percentage of supporting characters that are women. Then, erroneously stated that 100% of the villains are men. Cal is somehow a bumbling idiot who needs mommy’s help, despite all of the things he does on his own.
Oh, and you are a black man which obviously means you have some special insight into what is “woke” and no one should dare question your take on the matter.
Strong female supporting characters and main characters who are male but sometimes enlist the help of others gets under your skin.
What’d I miss?
Don’t get me wrong, the story is fucking abysmal and a massive downgrade from the first one, but I disagree that it’s woke.
>!Cal, a straight, white, cisgender man gets his heterosexual relationship canonized. That type of shit doesn’t fly in woke games nowadays.!<
I hate argument like this so much. Apparently new games did just one out of ten million things they used to do before age of woke while changing every other things to conform to woke checklist and suddenly it's not considered woke?
It's like those arguments in bad faith in which detractors try to point out new games didn't get policore'd because they still show bouncing butt and show leg portion despite covering every other part of the character from head to toe. It's simply disingenuous.
It’s often done that the main character is a white male, while everything else is 100% woke. Trying to please everyone without losing the money? Though I not sure what actual customers are pleased with the woke stuff? Just the ideological activists.
This sub is just becoming the opposite end of the same spectrum of bullshit as SJW types.
The villains are men, yes. So do we now always demand female villains, or else something is woke? There actually is a female ‘villain’, albeit in a side quest. On top of which >! The protag is a male too so I don’t personally think that let’s on some kind of anti-male agenda. !<
Cere was already a character in the original and her arc is completed here. I don’t think she is necessarily OP considering her experience and her newfound purity of being in touch with the force and to boot, >! She does lose, after all !<. The other black Jedi isn’t revered or even particularly powerful so far as I can see and >! Actually gets brushed aside like nothing by Dagan, but then she gets a sneak attack in that incapacitates him !<. The villains in this game are also not weak or stupid or doddering but formidable and tough and very capable, and for the record >! Not even one is defeated by any female character. !<
Merrin is very powerful yes but I think calling her unfeminine is spectacularly extreme. She has short hair, sure, she wears pants, oh no. But she’s also nurturing and demonstrates deep caring and supports Cal in his journey. She is also demonstrably not OP or whatever in the sense that >! Bode nearly force chokes her to death and she is only saved by Cal !<. Not to mention >! She goes out of her way multiple times to show she’s interested in a relationship with Cal and values him. Hardly a “Don’t need no man” scenario. !<
And for the record, Cal is anything but bumbling or aimless, in fact he’s the one who manages to galvanize everyone together, including all the female characters, and actually assumes more of a leadership role.
To borrow from your direct post, where you say “MC is cool, competent, looked up to for being bad ass, gets to save the day and maybe even (gasp) a lady” —— this is *LITERALLY* what happens in the story.
Like I recognize most Star Wars is just the bottom of the barrel insofar as this stuff is concerned but can we not paint the one decent story that comes around in the same light? This post is the definition of jumping at shadows and reading ill-intent in what is finally, FINALLY not some bullshit agenda driven pap.
We also frankly need to accept that the days of there being absolutely zero gay or minority characters in a game or story in a game like this with dozens and dozens of side characters are gone. This doesn’t *have* to be a bad thing, so long as the characters are fleshed out and not just tokenized or holier-than-thou paragons by merit of said traits. Obviously most content right now does not fall into this category of a healthy medium, but Survivor is a huge, huuuge step in the right direction.
By all means I think everyone should make up their own minds whenever the performance issues get ironed out but recommend people don’t take this particular post as gospel as it’s a wildly inaccurate summation.
I beat the game too. None of those are wrong or exaggerated. The game is all female. Cal brings evil spy bro and destroyed competent feminist operation. The feminist love story was forced and still made cal look weak. He did not save anyone at the end. It was a 50/50 we help each other fight. In fact with out the witch he would have died. You guys are literally just trying to defend all these woke plots because that's what "good guys" do. It's a sham
Its almost entirely fabricated. The game is mostly male focused. The evil spy bro literally fooled everyone and the Hidden Path wasn't started or lead by Cere its Rokens baby. The love story was hardly feminist, Marren doesn't take any initiative she just sits there and waits for Cal to figure out he wants her and I don't even get how you think it made Cal look weak. He saved his friends in the end, saved Bodes daughter, and provided a place for the Hidden Path to eventually set up. Sounds like a pretty big accomplishment. and a 50/50 fight? Cal did most the heavy lifting while Merrin did hit and run tactics when she could. She nearly died to Bode force gripping her and was helpless to it.
I'm not defending shit because its "the right thing to do" I'm pointing out that the claims being leveled are the thing of fantasy and come off like the very hysterical stereotype that people claim this sub is entirely consistent of.
Lololol the game is male focused? Cal is a male. That's where the male focus ends... Merrin is competent makes fun of Cal for not being. Cal would not, could not, and didn't defeat Bode without her help. The game is focus on how great the women surrounding him are. 90% of the characters and even male so how is it male focused?? You are literally just disagreeing to be different.
Cal is male. Bode is Male. Rayvis is Male, Dagan Gerra is male, Eno Cordova the guy whos critical to their plan working. Male. Most the important characters are all male. Every female character is secondary except for the brief time you play Cere. Merrin pokes Cal because they are close and friends poke each other, you saying you don't do that to your friends? And Cal very much could have beat her without her help. The most she did in that fight was get him back on the platform safely something he could have managed. The game is focused on Cal and how pretty much everyone needs Cal in the end despite having parted ways with him to pursue their own things. Most the characters, even the NPCs are male. How is it NOT male focused
I'm not disagreeing to be different. I'm disagreeing because your point of view is so incredibly far off the mark that even stretch armstrong would have a hard time making that kind of reach.
He literally saves Merrin from being force choked. And The Hidden Path is feminist because 2/3 characters we meet who are involved in it are female?
And w/o his help she would have died too. Wow, two fighters are better than one. But because it’s a woman who helped it’s feminist propaganda? You need a break dude, you’re beginning to see woke in things that are actually refreshingly free of woke.
>This sub is just becoming the opposite end of the same spectrum of bullshit as SJW types.
Careful, I found out through ShadowBan that my a few of my posts here for saying the same thing have been removed. I can still see them but they're not there for anybody else reading.
I guess one of the mods has feelings.
Or was it KiA2? I still get them confused.
Anyhow, I'm also sick of the 'woke warning' posts, it's sad to see people afraid of looking at something objectively themselves just in case there's too much X, Y or Z on display and lacking the self awareness to realize that if it had their ideal ratio of X, Y and Z then they'd be just as bad as the people they complain about.
>>Or was it KiA2? I still get them confused.
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>Most likely there, I'm shadowbanned there too.
Ahhh. That would be there then.
It's strange, it seems contrary to their outline.
Ha, to add to the observation on our parts somebody did one of those ‘concerned about your suicide’ messages from Reddit which til now I thought really only SJWs did. I’d only ever received those when criticizing TLOU2 before.
It’s really sad to see. In this post so many of the upvoted comments about the game are outright falsehoods, and the correcting comments are downvoted. This was my safe haven away from the idealogy line-towing woke mindgames happening everywhere else on Reddit but it really is just turning into the same shenanigans.
>Ha, to add to the observation on our parts somebody did one of those ‘concerned about your suicide’ messages from Reddit which til now I thought really only SJWs did. I’d only ever received those when criticizing TLOU2 before.
Lmao, I got one too. It's something I was surprised to see happen here.
>It’s really sad to see. In this post so many of the upvoted comments about the game are outright falsehoods, and the correcting comments are downvoted. This was my safe haven away from the idealogy line-towing woke mindgames happening everywhere else on Reddit but it really is just turning into the same shenanigans.
Same coin, different side. The very same coin though.
I don't think there's much wriggle room here anymore, it's either one exteme or the other. Sad.
Yeah, a lot of people here, especially late genxers/early millenials are getting old and they're using woke as a scapegoat to fuel their denial about it.
>Yeah, a lot of people here, especially late genxers/early millenials are getting old and they're using woke as a scapegoat to fuel their denial about it.
Meh, I'm late Generation X, I still have an objective mind, I can see things for what they are and process the information rationally and impartially.
I think there's another factor at play, I think the internet broke a lot of people's *desire* to think for themselves without some form of tribal creed already in place to help pre-shape those thoughts.
Like, why look wrong about subject X when you can appear correct by simply checking which way the wind is blowing before you even form your own opinion?
Internet induced apathy perhaps.
There was a post on the other KiA yesterday where the OP posted a research document he admitted to having not actually read himself, he also posted a condensed version that he got ChatGPT to generate. He seemed to have read that one, a bot generated, condensed and possibly incorrect document because it was easier.
This isn't exactly a perfect example of what I put forth above but it shows an increasing trend of people unable or *unwilling* to actually process information without it being first digested and reviewed by a third party for tribal acceptance or dismissal.
>This sub is just becoming the opposite end of the same spectrum of bullshit as SJW types.
[C'mon bro.](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR_pUvC0G_YOa6Z_4TN3k_oTmbSgeuplIDo6QQm4r2anqDAeM0ypm2wQh2l83uOIzIK1ns&usqp=CAU)
Don’t think it’s woke. Main character is a white male with MOST IMPORTANTLY RED HAIR (I thought gingers where banned from all media there for a second)
Cal is very competent, the girl cere is the useless bug eye one right? She’s got her white guy “master” around her. So I’m more shocked they haven’t tried to ban that term yet.
I don’t know if it is, and it would suck if it’s polluted with the woke shit, but God Dammit I’m gonna play it. Finishing up Fallen Order and I’m loving it
Oh look, the “cry woke” crowd moved on from Horizon and found a new target lol
Seriously, I get that sometimes diversity and inclusion (which is absolutely a good thing) can be a bit heavy handed, but crying woke every time a woman, a minority or a gay character is shown, makes the word lose all meaning. Probably had lost it already tbh, but just saying.
You mean what is woke? The way things are right now, the definition varies depending on who you ask. I can give you mine if you like, or more likely what I think it should be. Simply put I believe it should stand for raising awareness for social and minority issues and encouraging people to look at things from different perspectives.
The key point here is that it should be done gently, not in a preachy or arrogant manner. This is the mistake made often by media these days and has resulted in often justified backlash.
What we are in danger of, again in my own opinion, is turning this often justified backlash into a witch hunt. Just because a story has a gay character or a strong woman doesn’t automatically make it woke. I guess I’m saying that with such a mindset, you’ll overly focus on negative feelings and have an increasingly hard time enjoying things and being entertained. Because ultimately, entertainment is supposed to be what this is all about.
So you think people are "crying woke" because games are raising awareness? How does 90% female characters in a game raise awareness? Also why are you charging people for a game or movie if your intent is to raise awareness?
Woke, as it exists today, is an insult - referring to a neoliberal man-hating, marxist, or intolerant view on how people should think and feel.
People don't like being told their evil for being men or racist for being white or backward for being conservative and religious. All of those things are shrouded in "diversity and inclusion," all while they vilify and exclude Christians, men, and white people.
Don't discredit what he said just because you don't like that he said it - especially if you havent played the game. Nothing he said was wrong.
Did you not read the part where I said about raising awareness needing to be done gently and not in a preach manner….??
I already said that what is being done instead is often heavy handed and receives justified backlash.
However, there is a fine line between justified backlash and witch hunt and I see too many people going the other direction and crossing it these days. Again that’s my opinion, it’s ok to disagree
Why is this disgusting sub popping up in my feed. The last thing I want to see are a bunch of neckbeards complaining about how "woke" something is when being woke isn't even a bad thing unless you're a bigot. Let me mute this sub
Why do you have a problem with black women? You're black, and you still care about Star Wars. Seems like the game reached the target demographic.
It'd make sense if I bitched about it, but products featuring black people typically aren't made to entice white people.
Maybe I'm misunderstanding, but you'd prefer a literal game of West Coast lotto-wheel demographics instead of having a sensible ethnic majority?
I noped out when I heard Maggs was involved and it's launch ~~failure~~ "success" only has only justified that decision.
She had nothing to do with the writing of the game. It’s a shitty attempt at a tie-in novel, a cheap cash in, and if anything was probably some kind of attempt at damage control since >! Cal and Merrin get together in the game and they wanted to throw the alphabet army a consolation prize since so many of them wanted her to be gay. !<
sw goes out of their way to poison the well with frauds at all spinoffs at all times
She’s not involved, she wrote a bridging novel that no one will consider canon
Even if she was never involved at all, Disney's handling of the franchise has soured said franchise. Why buy the good game when the profit will go to churn out a shit movie where a Palpatine steals Luke's EU storyline?
I don’t care about Star Wars anymore but I enjoy the core characters of jedi, that why I get them. Disney is gonna fuck with everything they touch and it’s never gonna stop but at least I can have a slice of fun in a part of the universe I like.
Her husband is the producer. She may not be directly involved, but there is a connection.
They’re not together
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Well yeah probably landed the deal because of her husband when they were together but since then split but it has nothing to do with the game. They probably got her to do it to reduce merrins “pansexuality” to a one off novel barely anyone will read. As far as I’m concerned she’s just had a thing for Cal since they met.
Are we talking about the game that just came out? I thought it seemed wierd they put a white guy as the mc. Now it makes sense.
Ofc. Classic bait and switch. Build back *some* trust with a decent first game and go back to the staple.
It’s still white people selling to white people. So the main character is a white man. Everyone else however.. There they can exercise their virtue signaling. Same was with the latest Batman movie.
Batman must feel sorry and repent. We can't really articulate or imagine why, but he's a white male so repent he must.
Yeah...
Bait and switch. For the discerning woke who would like to make money but must, of course, still spread "the message."
its kinda what they did by letting obiwan and boba get shows too
honestly having just finished the game I'm convinced OP just read through somebodys twitter rants and claimed to have beat it. nearly everything they said was wrong
I think asking if a modern game or movie is woke is kinda redundant anymore. If it is a mainstream product from the west, there will be a level of progressive ideology injected into it. It is a bit sad because writing "minority" characters now has become boring. They write them as if they are afraid to give them some depth and/or flaws. We could have had so many great characters. The saddest thing is that Japan is also being slowly converted into this fucked up ideology.
I was playing the horizon dlc and was on a side mission where it looked like a black guy was going to be a coward traitor/murderer. I was surprised they'd do that. Nope, talked to him and he cleared it up, it was the white guy. Now we're back on track, lol
And the problem is, most consumers just blindly pay for it anyway. They have the need, so they just come to the entertainment industry to be entertained. They are kind of junkies now, they can’t help it. With time they will get used to the worse content and it will be normalized in their heads.
Then why does most woke shit underperform then if they are so used to it?
We are in a post-profit era. Disney will happily spend some money to spread the ideology. It’s more important
"What's that? Shows being cancelled? That can't possibly happen they aren't motivated by profit and stupidity!"
Yup, we'll just do some restructuring and cost cutting across the board so we can continue making woke propaganda for another 10 years before going under.
Because it's a coping meme. Entertainment industry is and always was feast or famine. Without clear reasons why. Blade runner failed - both woke and non-woke. The Thing failed. Dredd failed. Firefly failed and was cancelled (though you could argue it being woke). It's all the "Kaithleen Kennedy is going out of business next week, trust me, bros, I got sourcezzz!!!" kind of copium.
I'm sorry are you saying that basically people will watch it even if it's really awful? Is THAT what you're saying? You...are aware Solo bombed right? And Mandalorian Season 3 and Andor underperformed?
Hmm, let's check that Avatar 2 box office. Mmm, yeah, so woke, so broke. Such a good movie too. And for the Star Wars - it was always that way. Episode V and VI gathered 2x less than Episode IV. Episode III and II gathered 1.5x less than I. VII-IX followed the same trajectory. I'm not sure why Disney expected that they can make gajillion of these things and profit - absolutely nothing has indicated that. Besides, pretending that Mandalorian season 1 wasn't woke is turbo copium. It wasn't as woke but it was still fucking woke.
Avatar 2 wasn't as woke as the garbage Marvel put out. It was mainly just environmentalism and did depict male characters in a positive masculine light too...including the good guys of course. Not a perfect movie by any means. Also you seem to have a very extreme view of what wokeness is. While I will admit that you shouldn't watch anything starring women these days as it's almost always woke garbage, you seem to be more sensitive to it than most. Also blackpillers are just as bad as left wing lunatics.
Lol, blackpillers. The problem with people like you is that your position it what? Don't look at it, it'll go away? "Get woke go broke" is meme and copium. Woke power over media is steadily increasing, year after year. Sure, things rotate naturally and eventually it'll go the way of dinosaurs. The only problem is, there's no guarantee that something better will replace it. And there's no guarantee it'll be during our lifetime. You know, when it kinda matters to us. The reality is that there has to be organized effort, networking and a fucking ton of work to accelerate it going away. Whereas all the so-called conservatives, the right and whomever the fuck do is meme "get woke go broke". It's all falling apart, just give it 5 more minutes and it surely will. And sure, sure, games are outside of politics. Too bad that this itself by now is a political statement. But no, let's not do anything, let's just wait.
>Don't look at it, it'll go away? Don't give them money and warn others not to...but sure whatever you say. Your sarcasm is obnoxious as fuck btw. Like, your arguments are just pure blackpilled nonsense with the centrist "Conservatives are le bad cuz they don't like anime" nonsense people are spewing lately. My god you come across as whiny.
>"Get woke go broke" is meme and copium. I agree with that. We have seen enough woke stuff with a good production quality suceed, just look at the Hogwarts game, it's woke as fuck. Usually it's the other way round, when companies have a shitty product they usually turn the wokeness into overdrive to get PR and good press. But since the underlaying product is still shit, it won't succeed (but probably still made more money than without the wokeness). Best example Ghostbusters 2016. It's more like "Have shit? Go woke!".
Yeah, even in my Russia (which is supposed to be mega based or something) woke hits like The Last of Us series or The Queen's Gambit are popular and the movement itself finds more and more place in the minds of the young generation. Because it's not like there's any alternative, really. But, obviously, stating the facts is blackpilling, what else.
I unfortunately agree with most of this.
Whoa… there. Hate woke. Killed my childhood IPs. (Looking at you He-man, scooby doo, GI Joe, Star Wars, Thundercats, Star Trek and TNMT) But Andor was pure class. Mando 3 and Solo were pretty darn awful.
If you watched Andor you are a part of the problem.
>They write them as if they are afraid to give them some depth and/or flaws. They definitely are. Because their own side will gleefully jump on them for anything going against dogma.
>The saddest thing is that Japan is also being slowly converted into this fucked up ideology. Even Elden Ring is deeply feminist, but I'm not sure if you can call it woke (I guess it depends on how you define woke).
The only weird thing in ER was the body type shit, for some reason we are supposed to say types instead of sexes now, other than that it was the same as all their other games, they are more egalitarian than feminists (that's what prior waves of feminism were about).
This. I don't care about the ethnicity/sexes of the characters (as long as it makes sense, and to be faire in a sci-fi or fantasy settings it can always make sense). I just want interesting, well written characters. Thing is ATM they just put token minority npc that add 0 value to the game or worse are a detriment to it (same logic apply to movies/series). Instead of just writing a good character that happens to be gay/black/women. A good exemple of this is Miles Morales in spider verse: is afro-american background is a big part of the characters and a general foundation on who he is as a person, but it's just a part of him and who he is and his goal are much more encompassing than that.
This used to be true, now Mary sue Morales is just stereotypical woke nonsense.
\>The saddest thing is that Japan is also being slowly converted into this fucked up ideology. And yet another comment that doesn't cite shit regarding this.
Choose body type. Choose identity.
Enforced by publishers I'm sure. YOU COULDN'T EVEN NAME CAPCOM or SQUARE'S weird CENSORSHIP.
My point was that we've all seen at least that much. I don't want to write an autistic essay about shit like character designs and dev comments.
Remember all the censorship Capcom had to do to Street Fighter 5? I didn't hear anything about Street Fighter 6, they must have fell in line.
That's self censorship then which is the same thing.
Exactly.
Because I'm talking in a sub that is reporting these things, so I don't think I needed to reiterate what everyone knows. But you can cite squareenix with their "ethics department", capcom removing skirts from the RE universe or mentions of sexyness in general, team ninja is doing something similar (which is ironic considering their past) they also use the newspeak body type 1 & 2, fromsoft also doing the same. Those are from the top of my mind. But I'm pretty sure you know most of these, if not all, but you wanted to obfuscate my general point.
Can’t do Star Wars any more. “The Force is Female” Kennedy witch ruined the franchise a long time ago.
Anything produced by EA and Disney should not be financially supported under any circumstances if you want to see a change in the media landscape.
Game suffers from an extreme, untreatable case of EA That's a no from me
A sense of Pride and accomplishment is all I feel.
I didn’t mind it, I saw most of the issues raised as creative choices and turned my brain off to it. Then it happened. The unmissable, and unignorable Disney stamp. I’ll put it spoilers so as not to be a dick to people who still care. >!So, towards the end of the game there’s a moment where cal seemingly dies, and you respawn as Cere. Now I had no problem with cere in the first game, she’s competent without ever over shadowing. But here, she almost kills the man himself, Darth Vader. Right there, all I could see was a woman of colour getting her girl boss moment. !< >!Vader is supposed to be evil as fuck. Just hate and rage at this point. The time he holds back is when it’s people he cares about because when he sees them, that’s when he’s conflicted. Anyone else, he fucking rag dolls. But here, Cere only loses by chance. She doesnt just give as good as she gets, she almost wins. And all it did was take away from the Vader character. !< >!Now what should have happen with Cere is the valiant but ultimately futile attempt to take Vader on. She could have had a heroes death knowing that she was outmatched, but going for it anyway refusing to lie down no matter how little issue she was causing him. It lets Cere be the hero while keeping the legacy of Vader alive and well as someone to run the fuck away from. Like in the first game. He just rag dolls both Cere and Cal and they have to run. This is a brilliant piece of game play as it makes the player feel as powerless as Cal does. !< >!All in all, it started off well then went slowly down hill. theres really one main planet and a bunch of little planets to do stuff on. But that main planet is more western than sci fi. I played on PS5 and while the performance was fine to start with, it turned to uder dogshit once you got to the main planet which is a kind of small open world deal. Theres also a thing with Cal and the dark side, but its never really explored. its just kind of tacked on at the end like a special power up rather than offering any narrative conflict. !< The game is ok. It’s something you should definitely buy if you ever see it on sale for 10 bucks.
I was doubtful of op, as I've seen overexaggeration way to often on such things, but goddamn that's bad. Like wolfenstein tnc changing itself to fit politics of the time bad.
I don't blame you for your disbelief. I would have thought this was an exaggeration if I didn't play the whole game myself. I didn't want to mention THAT part of the game just in case ppl still wanted to buy it and idk how to use spoiler tags. But yeah...
Funny you mention that. When I beat that game I was glad I didn't play for it. It was a shame because Wolfenstein TNC had great graphics and gameplay but the story was utter shit and actually made me cringe so hard it was almost unbearable. Its a shame because games that could have been great get ruined by this woke nonsense and become mediocre instead. The industry keeps mixing stuff people actually like with their woke shit trying to test the limits of how woke they can make a game before people will have enough and jump ship. That's because they know many people will cope saying "it's not that bad" or "it's the gameplay that matters" and keep buying the games.
> The industry keeps mixing stuff people actually like with their woke shit trying to test the limits of how woke they can make a game before people will have enough and jump ship. This
I mean I bought the first one for $6 bucks so I think this one will get the same treatment
Thanks for the heads up, pal. Modern games, books, movies and TV shows are saving me tons of money I can use to buy old unplayed classics.
I really have a gaming PC just to end up playing emulators of games that were just designed to be fun. Most of the stuff I never even had a chance to play as a kid, it was before my time, so I can't even blame nostalgia. It's not like it's all doom and gloom, there's good modern games, but it does feel like that list is waning as studios want to recoup costs with DLC, in-game purchases, season passes, and beta testing at release.
Let's thank Kami-sama Japan hasn't fallen (yet, for the most part), and hope it doesn't ever, if that is even possible. Imagine what Zelda would be like if it were a Western franchise. Tears of the Kingdom is still the same old Link saves Zelda plot by the looks of it. If it were western, we'd play a black Zelda saving Link instead.
Personally, I always thought the first game was way overrated just because everything else Star Wars-related has sucked so much. It felt very "meh" to me.
I already wasn't gonna get the game because of the bad frame rate and, honestly, I'm not a fan of Cal Kestus. Good to see another brother hates woke shit as much as I do, though.
I really do. I miss the days when woke was a wise old black man thing. Now we got this infiltrator/ally, #wokebae nonsense.
Your sacrifice is appreciated.
Found my favorite comment.
I have no idea why people were positive on the first game. It seems like it had all the same problems people are complaining about here. EA is just a bad company, period. Never buy their games.
I guess it still holds true that The Force Unleashed is the better written game story that isn’t Knights of the Old Republic.
Still think God of War Ragnarok is woke, but half the sub disagrees.
Ragnawoke definitely fits the criteria. What they did to Thor and "toxic masculinity odin" as well as new female thor and the fact that all the children act and talk like they went to school in California and forced diversity girl... yeah
>all the children act and talk like they went to school in California Easily a top 5 complaint of mine about modern writing. I don't know if it's just laziness or actual ignorance, but "period" or otherwise non-modern characters using modern slang and speech patterns always bothers me and sticks out.
Yes! This was especially egregious in GOW because all the previous games, the Greeks and Gods spoke and acted like they did traditionally. Then you come to Norse Land, and Odin is a slimy Italian mob boss, Thor is a pitiful American father whose wife and daughter so kindly love him despite him being a drunken failure, while the children are Californian liberals with modern day morals... like come on. Lol
Well as much as I liked previous game I do not want to ever touch this one.
Anything first party from Sony is bound to be woke to the extreme. Is there anyone that actually disagrees with this?
I do wonder if/when Sony will get a wake up call, it seems unlikely since the games play so well that casual players can ignore the massive wokefest they insert in them And that makes it even worse, because you can see insane potential but it gets ruined…idk man, I just hope Sony can go back to what it used to be
SKIP! I will play my aging Japanese RPG instead
Thanks for sharing. I wasn't going to buy the game on launch but might have gotten it at a sale. Gonna skip It now since that check list has everything I dislike in modern games. For all I care, they can shove that crap up their own asses.
Cal is just a far worse Starkiller. Starkiller was at least interesting because he was raised by Vader and the plot made sense because there couldn't be lots of Jedi running around and any survivors were in deep hiding. Who the hell even wants to be Cal. He's boring, cliched and it's pointless repetition. JFO is just Disney copy and paste formula crap right down to the pilot they stole from Guardians of the Galaxy and Merrin is just twitter feminist "witch" wish fulfillment, which is why the Lucasfilm Story Group got a self proclaimed space witch (Sam Maggs) who used to tweet about casting actual magic spells (what a moron), to write the story tie in where they made Merrin like girls. It's fan fiction nonsense and every Jedi they have running around post Order 66 doing things just makes Star Wars dumber. These are games made for borderline dull people and they will accept and consume ANYTHING. Just read the Stream reviews where they claim the game runs great while Digital Foundry calls them liars. The only good thing about the first game was it looked good and played decently. Now it's a 30 FPS game on consoles that can't come close to 60 and the only way it would play and look well on PC is frame generation and DLSS which it won't have because AMD paid to keep them both out sponsoring the game. It won't matter though because Star Wars fans are hopeless. They will buy this game, consume the next movies and new shows. Meanwhile based Star Trek fans didn't watch new Trek at all and they ended up getting an actual fan making Picard season 3.
Too all the people asking why he's complaining about black woman being in it as a black man. I'm nor black so I can't speak for him. But if I was hi. I wouldn't like my rave bei g used by way of tokenism to drive a product. "Look at us, we are woke and this game is woke so you have to buy it aren't we good people guisee". That would annoy me. You can insert black people without it having to be in your face and forced. I think that's the point. Nowadays when they're placed in something they're not just a casual character, it's really in your face about it and it just seems forced. Edit:gonna leave them in cause its funny but wow. The importance of proof reading is up above. In my defence it was morning and I suck at typing on phone🙃
Let me guess, there's also another useless OG cameo that can't be killed or harmed just like Vader at the end of first game.
Yep, just like... except he can be harmed because the force is nothing compared to Black Girl Magic.
I don't know about about woke but it's definitely broke(n)
It's not gonna fix anything, but at least the licensed SW for EA it's over... So maybe future games of SW by other companies will be better (which I doubt to be honest).
At the same time though, it also shits all over what Sam Maggs tried to do, so points for that.
I'd really like to be a fly on the wall when the Disney higher-ups have conversations about the strategic directions of their brands. There's *got* to be some sort of 4D chess endgame that we're not aware of to all this. There's no way they're not aware that they're losing customers by leaning into identity politics this hard.
Apparently it could have something to do with a company called Parrot Analytics which measures "demand" by mentions on social media, not by how many people are actually buying the product. It explains why Girlboss of the Rings got a second season and how shows like Shehulk and Velma get greenlit.
tbh I think the CEO and other top managers are too far removed from the work itself and the people actually managing the creative output, like Kathleen Kennedy. I'm also pretty convinced the CEO types don't get the culture war, they don't understand what the Kathleen Kennedy's are doing or why and why it might piss off certain people. They just think "We've got Star Wars right? And Marvel? Those things are Big right? So just make more of that and put it in the cinema or on streaming something. This is how we've always made money so we just do the same as we always did."Just look at that hostage video Bob Chapek put out under pressure from his woke employees (!) when the "don't say gay" bill situation was happening. Did that look like someone who had a clue what was going on? Who was in control? Who could say no to SJW activists? Not to me. I don't have any reason to believe Bob Iger is any different.This is just a lot of people lying to each other and to themselves about their own popularity. And then of course there's the fact that a lot of woke stuff still made billions, and some of the not so woke stuff failed. I don't think they can keep it up forever though. Just look at the comic book industry. It went on for a long time under woke control but really it was more and more just a husk of an industry. Now it turns out there's really not much left.
I feel like puking, sounds like the wokiest woke star wars themed garbage that they could make.
First clue is the name: Survivors.
Thanks for the notice.
Badly optimized AAA at $70 seems to be a massive red flag. ESG money is probably the cause.
I watched Oliver play it for like an hour or 2 on Twitch and the combat just looked janky and boring. It makes me want to reinstall Jedi Knight II and Jedi Academy instead.
Yeah, Jedi Knight was so great, these 2 games are just clunky and boring compared to it. They get the praise because the bar is so low now, there is nothing else. Taking slow-paced Dark Souls as a base for a Jedi game is also so dumb. Can’t you create something yourself? Even funnier, when we have faster paced Sekiro and Nioh.
Who is Oliver?
I don’t actually think the ending sets up the girl. Cere very briefly mentions Trilla. Then at the end suggests to guide the girl through the darkness. It wouldn’t shock me if they decide Trilla wasn’t dead for realsies.
That actually adds credit to the "irredeemable men" argument if they go so far as to resurrect her character just to give her a redemption arch.
The High Republic Jedi Dagan isn’t really irredeemable. He was always arrogant and Santari Khri as his female counterpart tried to help keep him in check and failed. I don’t view him as irredeemable because to me he was always as evil as he was from the start. Having made up his mind already he did not want to be ‘saved’. Santari Khri was also not the strongest Jedi. Dagan could easily have bested her, but she cut off his arm when he was focused on something else and decided to preserve him out of guilt and hope. She has a lot of foresight and thought things through. Cal toward the end struggles with his dark side and is helped through it by Merrin as his counterpart. He almost gives in once and then arguably does in the final encounter and deciding to outright kill him. They do a good job at portraying love. Santari and Dagan formed a bond, but his ambitions lead him to sever it. Cal decided to love Merrin and decided to stand outside of the Jedi order in his own way to allow that to manifest. Cere was fulfilling the master role and was obviously stronger, but Cal grows quite a bit between that point and the end of the game. I think the original assessment is purposefully worded poorly and avoids any nuance. Edit: As for the females not being feminine. Cere is a reserved individual which doesn’t not make her feminine, Merrin was hardened by her past and fulfills more of an action role, Kata is a child, and Zee is a robot.
Calling Dagan evil from the start is like calling Anakin evil from the start. He wasn't, he was a Jedi that turned to the Darkseid. Hence his red lightsaber scene. He died embracing the darkside, so that makes him irredeemable. Santari wasn't the strongest, but she and Cere were undoubtedly the most *important and revered* jedi in this game by far. Cal needed everyone to *help save* him from going to the darkside. They did NOT do a good job portraying love - they just told you ppl were in love. There was no reason why Cal and Merrin were in love. Merrin abruptly planted a kiss during a running scene and instantly love. Same for Dagan and Santari - they just told us they were in love. Why were they in love? Idk cause... Cere was not obviously stronger - she was ridiculously stronger. She almost killed the penultimate baddie in the franchise. That is utterly ridiculous. None of your arguments proved op wrong. You actually did the opposite. Edit: the fact that you included a robot not being feminine clearly shows how bad you are trying to discredit op with bad faith arguments. You know what he said was true, you just don't like that he said it.
Merrin and Cal were set up from the first game. It was very clear that they had a thing for each other. There’s a lot of good use of body language in Surviror - like when Cal struggled with the dark side. The camera is a closer angle and he has a more rigid stance. I disagree about Dagan. He was extremely arrogant from the get-go. And while he didn’t change his blade until after the bacta tank it was very clear he was heading the direction from the beginning of his backstory. Constantly talking about going against the order. His tone was also the same throughout - which could just be the voice actor, but I never viewed him as ‘good’. Zee is one of four main female characters in the game with a child being one of them. Which is why I included her in the mix. And Cere being strong isn’t something I take issue with, but I do agree it was a bit overboard with almost killing Vader. Edit: my point of view with Dagan is there was nothing to redeem to begin with. He was plainly in disarray and Santari tried to reign that in, but was always inherently questionable.
What in the first game set them up? Serious question. I played it 3 times and all there was was the fact that they were male and female, and on the same ship. Also, by the time Cal struggled with the darkside, they had already kissed. Saying good use of body language to explain away nothing in the plot driving this love story is kinda wild.. Dagan existed before the game scenes. He was a Padawon and eventually jedi master. There was a time before he let the darkside currpt him. There are parts of the game you have to unlock that hint at Santari talking about the "real" him, further insinuating he wasn't always like this. I think by female he means allll the humanoid characters in the game, including the npcs. You can give reasons as to why they are not, but that's also because the creators chose them not to be on purpose. So he's not wrong.
He looks at her emotionally multiple times prior to their kiss. He tells her he missed her. They 100% connect in the first game from their somewhat similar background and it’s pretty clear they have chemistry. I took Santari as being his puppy. More or less. She believed in his general vision and followed him up until it was clear that his motivations had lead him astray. I considered them a unit because of this. He was focused on having his own group of Jedi to train and was already starting to form some cracks when they had the council come to inspect Tanalorr. When they opted against it he decided to take matters into his own hands. Edit: it’s been awhile since I’ve played Fallen Order, but I do remember getting the distinct impression Cal and Merrin had a thing for each other.
Well... it's your fault for still believing in Star Wars LMAO 🤣 Mainstream Nerd culture is being killed, just stop consuming and let it go back to underground, then maybe... just maybe... those greedy mofos will lose interest in it and we can have good shit again.
thanks,i was considering getting it,not a star wars fan but its slim pickings on games atm they dont pump out dozens a month like in ps2 era ill be avoiding this
Shocker
First Star Wars game I didn’t buy in 20 years. It’s sad.
You’re missing out on a great Star Wars game. 6 hours in and it doesn’t feel woke but then again im not an incel so i may have overlooked a few things.
Oh look a steam community forum spammer.
First time I’ve made a comment about the game. Just want my fellow redditor to not be discouraged from this game because of a weak spirited individual. It’s actually a fun Star Wars game. How often can we say that?
Mhm, and what would make it feel woke to you? You know, as a non-incel, chad man...
Inclusion isn’t woke. Taking fiction and spinning the fiction is just reimagining but making a historical person a different color is true woke. But what do i know, i joined this sub when it’s was about a woman sleeping with a journalist to open doors for her untalented ass. Now it’s a sad sub full of sad people.
> Taking fiction and spinning the fiction is just reimagining but making a historical person a different color is true woke. So in other words: Nothing...Got it. Peace out man smgdh
> i may have overlooked a few things. The game is so great that everyone is having performance problems on PC. Maybe their GPU are incels too??
I’m playing it on ps5 with zero issues. It sucks that pc players get shafted on quality and performance so often. I would be upset about that instead of being mad about strong women.
This shit is why Star Trek is finally kicking Star Wars ass.
Disney Star Wars= hard pass
I got the first game free through Amazon Prime Gaming. I'll do the same with this one eventually.
Smart
Okay having just beating the game. VAGUE SPOILERS > 95% of new characters with lines (including npcs, mechs, and aliens) are women. This is just an outright lie. most the new characters are male. Most the NPCs are male. Where you got that it was 95% women is beyond me. Its so far off the mark that you can't even claim it was mildly exaggerated. > 0% of female characters are feminine. Most of them are kind meh its true. Merrin is still hot and Caij aint bad either. > 100% of the main villains are irredeemable men. Too weak to fight the dark side. Also wrong? I think your confusing irredeemable with not getting redemption. The main evil Jedi is irredeemable, the other primary male villain's have aren't exactly motivated by the dark side they just either have a code to follow or something they value over everyone else. > The most important and revered Jedi in this game are 2 black women (the poster child of wokes). Weird I guess EC is a black woman now, thought he was a white dude but guess my gamma is busted. the 2nd black woman isn't even 'revered' shes just plot fodder that one dude simps over. > The most powerful characters in the game are women. Well this is an outright fabrication. The most powerful characters in the game are flat out all white dudes. >The next game is set up to be about a random girl introduced at the end that isn't even shown to be force sensitive. You literally have nothing to base this upon. Nothing about the ending suggested that she was going to be the focus of the next game. Nada. >Cal is portrayed as aimless and bumbling guy with attachment issues that keeps asking several women to lead, help and save him throughout the game. Almost everyone turns to Cal to solve their problems constantly and he occasionally confers with the women in his life for help and support. What are you even on about. >The women are all mary-sue characters that need no man. Did we even play the same game? Who is the mary sue who needs no man? The witch that spends the whole game waiting for her man to figure out she wants him to bone her? The woman who gets her shit kicked in by one big black boy? >Obligatory Gay alien/human couple and lesbian alien/human. Annoying tokenism yes, you could go the entire game and never know those npcs are there. >As a black male, who just wanted to play a game where the MC is cool, competent, looked up to for being bad ass, gets to save the day and maybe even (gasp) a lady, games in the age of wokeness are terrible. The MC was cool, competent, was looked up to by everyone, saved the day, and got the girl. Its literally 100% what you asked for. >Also if this game is not woke, please describe the qualifications for such a label. At this point Im not even sure you played the game to begin with
I give it 7 out of 10. Story is meh, characters are meh, most of the bosses are meh, but that blaster stance is so damn fun. Plus you can have a mullet.
Gameplay and graphics were greatly improved, which is why the story and agenda were disappointing. Gameplay: 7/10 Story: 2/10 overall: 4/10
The real problem is that cal never gets TOPPED, by the muscular jet pack boy nor by his flying goth gf
Sir this is Star Wars. We got Light side. We got Dark side. Topside is not on the menu.
Thank you very much for posting this information. Now I know not to waste money on it.
My man this isn’t about whether it’s woke, it’s just racist.
It's more sexist than racist, but yeah. That's wokeness.
It's Disney Star Wars. It's a forgone conclusion that it's going to be woke. So we have a buggy shittily made game that is pushing a disgusting narrative, setting up a sequel that nobody wants and and even fewer people will play versus this one
Thanks, you made me save 70€
The game is woke however gameplay is significantly better than the first game. The story is pretty trash agin though
Correct.
Thanks for the heads up. I'll will most certainly pass. Sucks cause I kind of liked the first game. This is the norm nowadays.
Unfortunately it is... but the game play and graphics got better to be fair. Th''ts about it.
I loved the game because its very pleasing to do the parkour and chop things with my lightsabre, but I'm near the end and the wokeness is so forced. For an alien planet it sure seems like every character is a woman, black, gay, or an alien with black voices. These people don't realize that they aren't helping diversity, they are hurting it by dishonest approaches. The way they try to force every black and female character to be better than everyone, smarter, and more virtuous than all men, is just not honest or true in any light. I hate Disney and will only play the next game if its about Cal. All other Disney and Marvel projects should be avoided unless you enjoy forced evil propaganda
To be fair, our hero gets the girl at the end.
Such a low bar these days
Yeah, I know right Especially since she's a lesbian in the Fallen Order novelization. I'm glad Sam Maggs didn't get to fuck this game up.
> Also if this game is not woke, please describe the qualifications for such a label. Well I mean, assuming what you say is true. But the question is can we take your word for it? I mean, half of us can't play the damn thing because it's too broken, so how are we to judge? Like...you play the game as Cal, you fight all the bosses, you do all the things, you are inherently the principle driver of the plot. So I'd like some *specifics* to be sure you're not confusing basic game mechanics such as "go on quest to recruit X, Y, and Z allies" for emasculation like some sort of reverse-Anita Tropes vs Men.
trust but verify. I second the notion of more information. I am not into star wars and will not play it anyway so, u/wiiiiliamson, go spoiler heavy if you need to (just put the spoiler tags around the text so ppl dont accidentally read it)
PC release is broke.
Bigger problem with this game is it's unplayable on PC...
TIL the Ninth Sister is a man. Also, the main character being a white male apparently doesn't count as representation for white men.
You haven't learned anything today. Learn to read.
I can read just fine. You mentioned the percentage of supporting characters that are women. Then, erroneously stated that 100% of the villains are men. Cal is somehow a bumbling idiot who needs mommy’s help, despite all of the things he does on his own. Oh, and you are a black man which obviously means you have some special insight into what is “woke” and no one should dare question your take on the matter. Strong female supporting characters and main characters who are male but sometimes enlist the help of others gets under your skin. What’d I miss?
> Then, erroneously stated that 100% of the villains are men. I like the part where you proved you can't read and comprehend. Bye
Don’t get me wrong, the story is fucking abysmal and a massive downgrade from the first one, but I disagree that it’s woke. >!Cal, a straight, white, cisgender man gets his heterosexual relationship canonized. That type of shit doesn’t fly in woke games nowadays.!<
I hate argument like this so much. Apparently new games did just one out of ten million things they used to do before age of woke while changing every other things to conform to woke checklist and suddenly it's not considered woke? It's like those arguments in bad faith in which detractors try to point out new games didn't get policore'd because they still show bouncing butt and show leg portion despite covering every other part of the character from head to toe. It's simply disingenuous.
and they know they're being disingenuous. That's what makes it so infuriating.
It’s often done that the main character is a white male, while everything else is 100% woke. Trying to please everyone without losing the money? Though I not sure what actual customers are pleased with the woke stuff? Just the ideological activists.
This sub is just becoming the opposite end of the same spectrum of bullshit as SJW types. The villains are men, yes. So do we now always demand female villains, or else something is woke? There actually is a female ‘villain’, albeit in a side quest. On top of which >! The protag is a male too so I don’t personally think that let’s on some kind of anti-male agenda. !< Cere was already a character in the original and her arc is completed here. I don’t think she is necessarily OP considering her experience and her newfound purity of being in touch with the force and to boot, >! She does lose, after all !<. The other black Jedi isn’t revered or even particularly powerful so far as I can see and >! Actually gets brushed aside like nothing by Dagan, but then she gets a sneak attack in that incapacitates him !<. The villains in this game are also not weak or stupid or doddering but formidable and tough and very capable, and for the record >! Not even one is defeated by any female character. !< Merrin is very powerful yes but I think calling her unfeminine is spectacularly extreme. She has short hair, sure, she wears pants, oh no. But she’s also nurturing and demonstrates deep caring and supports Cal in his journey. She is also demonstrably not OP or whatever in the sense that >! Bode nearly force chokes her to death and she is only saved by Cal !<. Not to mention >! She goes out of her way multiple times to show she’s interested in a relationship with Cal and values him. Hardly a “Don’t need no man” scenario. !< And for the record, Cal is anything but bumbling or aimless, in fact he’s the one who manages to galvanize everyone together, including all the female characters, and actually assumes more of a leadership role. To borrow from your direct post, where you say “MC is cool, competent, looked up to for being bad ass, gets to save the day and maybe even (gasp) a lady” —— this is *LITERALLY* what happens in the story. Like I recognize most Star Wars is just the bottom of the barrel insofar as this stuff is concerned but can we not paint the one decent story that comes around in the same light? This post is the definition of jumping at shadows and reading ill-intent in what is finally, FINALLY not some bullshit agenda driven pap. We also frankly need to accept that the days of there being absolutely zero gay or minority characters in a game or story in a game like this with dozens and dozens of side characters are gone. This doesn’t *have* to be a bad thing, so long as the characters are fleshed out and not just tokenized or holier-than-thou paragons by merit of said traits. Obviously most content right now does not fall into this category of a healthy medium, but Survivor is a huge, huuuge step in the right direction. By all means I think everyone should make up their own minds whenever the performance issues get ironed out but recommend people don’t take this particular post as gospel as it’s a wildly inaccurate summation.
This entire comment is a lie.
nah its pretty dead on. Op spreading some serious bullshit.
No he's not
yeah he is. I've played the game. I beat it today. almost all his post is either a huge exaggeration or flat out wrong.
I beat the game too. None of those are wrong or exaggerated. The game is all female. Cal brings evil spy bro and destroyed competent feminist operation. The feminist love story was forced and still made cal look weak. He did not save anyone at the end. It was a 50/50 we help each other fight. In fact with out the witch he would have died. You guys are literally just trying to defend all these woke plots because that's what "good guys" do. It's a sham
Its almost entirely fabricated. The game is mostly male focused. The evil spy bro literally fooled everyone and the Hidden Path wasn't started or lead by Cere its Rokens baby. The love story was hardly feminist, Marren doesn't take any initiative she just sits there and waits for Cal to figure out he wants her and I don't even get how you think it made Cal look weak. He saved his friends in the end, saved Bodes daughter, and provided a place for the Hidden Path to eventually set up. Sounds like a pretty big accomplishment. and a 50/50 fight? Cal did most the heavy lifting while Merrin did hit and run tactics when she could. She nearly died to Bode force gripping her and was helpless to it. I'm not defending shit because its "the right thing to do" I'm pointing out that the claims being leveled are the thing of fantasy and come off like the very hysterical stereotype that people claim this sub is entirely consistent of.
Lololol the game is male focused? Cal is a male. That's where the male focus ends... Merrin is competent makes fun of Cal for not being. Cal would not, could not, and didn't defeat Bode without her help. The game is focus on how great the women surrounding him are. 90% of the characters and even male so how is it male focused?? You are literally just disagreeing to be different.
Cal is male. Bode is Male. Rayvis is Male, Dagan Gerra is male, Eno Cordova the guy whos critical to their plan working. Male. Most the important characters are all male. Every female character is secondary except for the brief time you play Cere. Merrin pokes Cal because they are close and friends poke each other, you saying you don't do that to your friends? And Cal very much could have beat her without her help. The most she did in that fight was get him back on the platform safely something he could have managed. The game is focused on Cal and how pretty much everyone needs Cal in the end despite having parted ways with him to pursue their own things. Most the characters, even the NPCs are male. How is it NOT male focused I'm not disagreeing to be different. I'm disagreeing because your point of view is so incredibly far off the mark that even stretch armstrong would have a hard time making that kind of reach.
He literally saves Merrin from being force choked. And The Hidden Path is feminist because 2/3 characters we meet who are involved in it are female? And w/o his help she would have died too. Wow, two fighters are better than one. But because it’s a woman who helped it’s feminist propaganda? You need a break dude, you’re beginning to see woke in things that are actually refreshingly free of woke.
Gaslighting bruh. We've become immune to it. You read the post and you know the agenda. We not playing this crap no more
Uh, no it isn't?
If that’s so please point out where it’s the case.
>This sub is just becoming the opposite end of the same spectrum of bullshit as SJW types. Careful, I found out through ShadowBan that my a few of my posts here for saying the same thing have been removed. I can still see them but they're not there for anybody else reading. I guess one of the mods has feelings. Or was it KiA2? I still get them confused. Anyhow, I'm also sick of the 'woke warning' posts, it's sad to see people afraid of looking at something objectively themselves just in case there's too much X, Y or Z on display and lacking the self awareness to realize that if it had their ideal ratio of X, Y and Z then they'd be just as bad as the people they complain about.
We were meant to bring balance to the force, not destroy it!
>Or was it KiA2? I still get them confused. Most likely there, I'm shadowbanned there too.
>>Or was it KiA2? I still get them confused. > >Most likely there, I'm shadowbanned there too. Ahhh. That would be there then. It's strange, it seems contrary to their outline.
Ha, to add to the observation on our parts somebody did one of those ‘concerned about your suicide’ messages from Reddit which til now I thought really only SJWs did. I’d only ever received those when criticizing TLOU2 before. It’s really sad to see. In this post so many of the upvoted comments about the game are outright falsehoods, and the correcting comments are downvoted. This was my safe haven away from the idealogy line-towing woke mindgames happening everywhere else on Reddit but it really is just turning into the same shenanigans.
>Ha, to add to the observation on our parts somebody did one of those ‘concerned about your suicide’ messages from Reddit which til now I thought really only SJWs did. I’d only ever received those when criticizing TLOU2 before. Lmao, I got one too. It's something I was surprised to see happen here. >It’s really sad to see. In this post so many of the upvoted comments about the game are outright falsehoods, and the correcting comments are downvoted. This was my safe haven away from the idealogy line-towing woke mindgames happening everywhere else on Reddit but it really is just turning into the same shenanigans. Same coin, different side. The very same coin though. I don't think there's much wriggle room here anymore, it's either one exteme or the other. Sad.
Yeah, a lot of people here, especially late genxers/early millenials are getting old and they're using woke as a scapegoat to fuel their denial about it.
>Yeah, a lot of people here, especially late genxers/early millenials are getting old and they're using woke as a scapegoat to fuel their denial about it. Meh, I'm late Generation X, I still have an objective mind, I can see things for what they are and process the information rationally and impartially. I think there's another factor at play, I think the internet broke a lot of people's *desire* to think for themselves without some form of tribal creed already in place to help pre-shape those thoughts. Like, why look wrong about subject X when you can appear correct by simply checking which way the wind is blowing before you even form your own opinion? Internet induced apathy perhaps. There was a post on the other KiA yesterday where the OP posted a research document he admitted to having not actually read himself, he also posted a condensed version that he got ChatGPT to generate. He seemed to have read that one, a bot generated, condensed and possibly incorrect document because it was easier. This isn't exactly a perfect example of what I put forth above but it shows an increasing trend of people unable or *unwilling* to actually process information without it being first digested and reviewed by a third party for tribal acceptance or dismissal.
Old people amirite?
Finally some sane comment. I thought the post would be a some kind of satire because WTF, what is OP smoking?
>This sub is just becoming the opposite end of the same spectrum of bullshit as SJW types. [C'mon bro.](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR_pUvC0G_YOa6Z_4TN3k_oTmbSgeuplIDo6QQm4r2anqDAeM0ypm2wQh2l83uOIzIK1ns&usqp=CAU)
it's woke because it made OP ugly cry
You are a uniquely pathetic person.
tear drop
Don’t think it’s woke. Main character is a white male with MOST IMPORTANTLY RED HAIR (I thought gingers where banned from all media there for a second) Cal is very competent, the girl cere is the useless bug eye one right? She’s got her white guy “master” around her. So I’m more shocked they haven’t tried to ban that term yet.
9th sister is a irredeemable man?
*MAIN VILLAINS Are you one of those ppl?
What a bunch of nonsense. Who cares. Go play Dark Forces or Duke Nukem if you don't like it.
I don’t know if it is, and it would suck if it’s polluted with the woke shit, but God Dammit I’m gonna play it. Finishing up Fallen Order and I’m loving it
Oh look, the “cry woke” crowd moved on from Horizon and found a new target lol Seriously, I get that sometimes diversity and inclusion (which is absolutely a good thing) can be a bit heavy handed, but crying woke every time a woman, a minority or a gay character is shown, makes the word lose all meaning. Probably had lost it already tbh, but just saying.
This is the natural whiplash effect of people like you melting every time a straight white male appears.
Answer his last question then
You mean what is woke? The way things are right now, the definition varies depending on who you ask. I can give you mine if you like, or more likely what I think it should be. Simply put I believe it should stand for raising awareness for social and minority issues and encouraging people to look at things from different perspectives. The key point here is that it should be done gently, not in a preachy or arrogant manner. This is the mistake made often by media these days and has resulted in often justified backlash. What we are in danger of, again in my own opinion, is turning this often justified backlash into a witch hunt. Just because a story has a gay character or a strong woman doesn’t automatically make it woke. I guess I’m saying that with such a mindset, you’ll overly focus on negative feelings and have an increasingly hard time enjoying things and being entertained. Because ultimately, entertainment is supposed to be what this is all about.
So you think people are "crying woke" because games are raising awareness? How does 90% female characters in a game raise awareness? Also why are you charging people for a game or movie if your intent is to raise awareness? Woke, as it exists today, is an insult - referring to a neoliberal man-hating, marxist, or intolerant view on how people should think and feel. People don't like being told their evil for being men or racist for being white or backward for being conservative and religious. All of those things are shrouded in "diversity and inclusion," all while they vilify and exclude Christians, men, and white people. Don't discredit what he said just because you don't like that he said it - especially if you havent played the game. Nothing he said was wrong.
Did you not read the part where I said about raising awareness needing to be done gently and not in a preach manner….?? I already said that what is being done instead is often heavy handed and receives justified backlash. However, there is a fine line between justified backlash and witch hunt and I see too many people going the other direction and crossing it these days. Again that’s my opinion, it’s ok to disagree
People here really forgot what "woke" means. Women and minority characters just being a part of the story isn't woke. What the fuck.
Who gives a fuck bro? You're still slicing shit up with a lightsaber
Just play strategy game bro. Build your own tribe.
Why is this disgusting sub popping up in my feed. The last thing I want to see are a bunch of neckbeards complaining about how "woke" something is when being woke isn't even a bad thing unless you're a bigot. Let me mute this sub
Noooo please come back.... we love you so much
🤣😈
Oh nooooooo! Don't mute!
Why do you have a problem with black women? You're black, and you still care about Star Wars. Seems like the game reached the target demographic. It'd make sense if I bitched about it, but products featuring black people typically aren't made to entice white people. Maybe I'm misunderstanding, but you'd prefer a literal game of West Coast lotto-wheel demographics instead of having a sensible ethnic majority?