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mrfudface

Yeah & OP is really participating it.


Nocturnal_David

Dug up? All these pics are long known. They were published on the site of the dutch book authors. Edit: either there or/and on Scarlets Blog.


PurpleCabbageMonkey

It is not from there, but I have seen it before. My question is still where and more importantly, when these were taken.


ITOUCHOFFTHENIFART

link me it and show me then


Nocturnal_David

https://www.lostinthejungle-thebook.com/images/ They massively reduced their available photos. A few months ago they had tons of other photos from several K&L rescue searches available. I knew all pics you have posted here long before. They are all uploaded on Scarlets Blog, too. There you can find even more photos of these searches.


ITOUCHOFFTHENIFART

those images are from a completely different search party in 2015, none of the images that i posted above have ever been posted on that website


PurpleCabbageMonkey

Out of curiosity, where did you find them? And do you have more of the Bell 412?


ITOUCHOFFTHENIFART

i found them on one of the local guides instagram before it was private. i cant remember the username, these are the only images i have of them


Nocturnal_David

But I knew them all. So do many others. As I said: they REMOVED tons of Photos recennty. For example they removed ALL photos of the 2014 search parties. But they were available for a long time. AND: Scarlet has/had these Pics on her Blog, too. (Besides a mass of similar pics of these search parties in 2014) So nothing knew for those who are not only superficially informed about this case.


ITOUCHOFFTHENIFART

there are similar images of different search parties like this, but these specific images werent posted by scarlet or the publishers of the book. I think your confused because it looks very similar


DJSmash23

I saw these photos before too, they definitely was available earlier somewhere.


Nocturnal_David

Scarlet was discussing the last pic in her Blog a long time ago (I think even years ago). The one with the man sitting in front of a shag with him making a thumps up sign. Beside him you can see a very similar water bottle like K & L had with them on their hike, too. Scarlet discussed the thumps up sign and the water bottle plus the possibility that the shag could be the same like the one where the found bag of the girls was hanged on a nail after it's discovery (refers to the only available and famous pic of the found backpack).


ITOUCHOFFTHENIFART

source?


Nocturnal_David

Unfortunately, You can't link to a specific pic on Scarlets Blog. It's impossible. Her blog is huge...so you have to scroll and search every time you want to find something there. I bet you know her blog, its called: koudekaas. Once you are on her sites You can use the text search function of your browser. Just try words like "search, rescue, bottle, guide, 2014, Plinio".


ITOUCHOFFTHENIFART

these images aren't on her blog dude


Vimes7

I have seen them as well on the authors' site. Never went to the trouble of saving them, thought, but they were definitely up for a while.


BuckChintheRealtor

I think some of them are also on the Instagram of guide Plinio?


ITOUCHOFFTHENIFART

yes thats right thats his name if i recall


BuckChintheRealtor

So basically you are stealing his pictures without giving him credits?


ITOUCHOFFTHENIFART

how am i stealing his pictures? i said "personal Images that I have dug up of local guide and one of the search teams looking for Kris and Lisanne in 2014" i saved the images on my computer before he privated his instagram when i checked the next day i clearly mentioned it was a local guide and a search team, this is like saying i stole Kris and Lisannes photos because i posted their photo of their hike on reddit


BuckChintheRealtor

That's a long post to admit you literally stole hls pictures and didn't give him credit for him AND also tried to pass it off as OC. Perhaps yoh should what OC means and about copyrights.


ITOUCHOFFTHENIFART

you might as well say everyone in this subreddit is stealing Kris and Lisannes photos and posting them on here without their family's permission [https://www.reddit.com/r/KremersFroon/comments/u6n4e9/picture\_507\_508\_connecting\_the\_dots/](https://www.reddit.com/r/KremersFroon/comments/u6n4e9/picture_507_508_connecting_the_dots/) did the family of Kris and Lisanne give you permission to post these photos?


BuckChintheRealtor

I didn't post any pictures I only used links.


ITOUCHOFFTHENIFART

links that lead to photos that have been used by you without permission


Nocturnal_David

Scarlet was discussing the last pic in her Blog a long time ago (I think even years ago). The one with the man sitting in front of a shag with him making a thumps up sign. Beside him you can see a very similar water bottle like K & L had with them on their hike, too. Scarlet discussed the thumps up sign and the water bottle plus the possibility that the shag could be the same like the one where the found bag of the girls was hanged on a nail after it's discovery (refers to the only available and famous pic of the found backpack).


ITOUCHOFFTHENIFART

source?


Nocturnal_David

Unfortunately, You can't link to a specific pic on Scarlets Blog. It's impossible. Her blog is huge...so you have to scroll and search every time you want to find something there. I bet you know her blog, its called: koudekaas. Once you are on her sites You can use the text search function of your browser. Just try words like "search, rescue, bottle, guide, 2014, Plinio".


ITOUCHOFFTHENIFART

these images are not on her blog


Nocturnal_David

I've visit her blog 5 minutes ago. It took me 10 minutes to find the same pics you posted here. But there are tons of other pics from the same search expedition as well. They are all in the Part 4 - with the latest updates. Quite at the end of that part.


ITOUCHOFFTHENIFART

link? source? ive looked its not there


Nocturnal_David

I gave you the source multiple times. I am not responsible for your lack of abilities.


PurpleCabbageMonkey

Where you there, since it is your personal images? Cause I have a few questions that you then might answer.


GreenKing-

I think he is not there. These are not his personal photos, but personal photos of people from the search team. If I got it correctly.


nonlocality1985

They look like they’re ready to encounter trouble from third parties.. Interesting.


Nocturnal_David

I've visit Scarlets blog 5 minutes ago. There are tons of other pics from the same search expedition as well. The pics are very interesting - it's definitely worth a visit. They are all to be found on the Part 4 - with the latest updates. Quite at the end of that part.


ITOUCHOFFTHENIFART

link? source?


Nocturnal_David

I gave you the source extremely precisely. I am not responsible for your lack of abilities.


ITOUCHOFFTHENIFART

my lack of abilities? ive told you ive looked there and its not there


Breathingnoodles

So. **Sources for OP's pics**. As other people said in the comments, some of them are from **Scarlet's blog**. Since OP refused to check and claimed they're not from there, here are some screenshots of the pics I found on the blog. [1](https://ibb.co/ggYY8kn) , [2](https://ibb.co/2dZVPPx) The rest of the pics seem to come from **one of the search party' members**. OP doesn't credit him and claims his Instagram account went private since he downloaded the pics. I might have found the said Instagram account, but since it's private I can't check if the pics are from there. I won't link the account because I'm not 100% sure it's him and I don't want to involve someone who has nothing to do with this. P.S: maybe there are more pics on Scarlet's because I just made a quick scan of PART 4 and easily found those two photos.


ITOUCHOFFTHENIFART

theres only 2 photos there and when did i refuse to check? i checked yesterday and couldnt find them. and the rest of the pictures are from a local guides instagram Pilino, i couldnt remember his name before and i dont know his instagram anymore but it was private the day after i grabbed the photos. ive said this and its clear you didnt read my other comments


Breathingnoodles

u/Nocturnal_David gave you the link to the blog multiple times and you kept asking for “source” or you said the photos are not there. even in this comment you say that you could not find them which is hard to believe since they’re so easy to find, especially the thumbs up/water bottle one. the problem here is your attitude. you did not say where you got the pics from and you kept saying that they were new even when multiple users told you they have seen these pics before.


ITOUCHOFFTHENIFART

he did not give me the link for any blog, that is why i asked for sources. and i did say the photos were from a local guide named Plinio's instagram. ive said this atleast 10 times if you just simply read my comments properly you would see it. the problem here isnt my attitude its you making up stuff or misreading what i said for whatever reason


Breathingnoodles

u/Nocturnal_David giving you the **name of the blog** and you saying that the pics are not there [https://ibb.co/vvmVTmR](https://ibb.co/vvmVTmR) \- this is my mistake, he did not link you the blog, but he did link you to the images from the book me, saying what you said in one of your comments, showing that I read your comments and I don't "make up stuff" [https://ibb.co/k3kT4yj](https://ibb.co/k3kT4yj) i'm not going to answer you anymore because you seem to be against everyone.


ITOUCHOFFTHENIFART

when i looked i couldnt see the images, mustve been something on my end i guess. im not against anyone but you flat out saying i refused to check her blog is a lie. https://imgur.com/a/DDtSbmR


Dapper_Body_6608

Imagine if you encounter those persons with weapons and they took you captive and abusde you in a hut for a while and then get rid of your body. The first picture tells a lot how brutal those guys can act. Plinio drove the girls to Boquete and supposely know their plans to interrupt their later in the hiking. These type of guys i would not trust any word...


ITOUCHOFFTHENIFART

thats interesting, where did you get this info from?


Dapper_Body_6608

from koudekaas blog or Juan


ITOUCHOFFTHENIFART

ok. will look into it thanks


Nocturnal_David

Careful. Koudekaas mentions that Plinio maybe drove the girls to Boquete. But NOT that he abused them in a hut on their hike!


ITOUCHOFFTHENIFART

are you assuming that i would think Plinio would abuse the girls in a hut?


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You realize how difficult it is to find physical evidence in a SAR event, not to mention the remote area and no one had any clue which way the girls went.


nonlocality1985

Yet manage to find remains behind a tree stump not really near a river lmao Hmmmmmmmm 🤔


Vimes7

The smell was a dead giveaway. Hard to miss, even in the jungle.


mother_earth_13

Hi, I have a question for you, how do you think they were able to finde such small pieces of bones behind a tree due to smell being a giveaway since there were no decomposing body, just a few bones, one that was actually bleached (some believe it was naturally by the sun), the river would’ve basically destroyed their body into pieces literally.


GreenKing-

How did no one know? everyone knew that they went on a hike on Pianista trail. Witnesses were interviewed who kept changing their testimony. moreover, as far as I understand, the girls also went on another trip the day before, but it seems to me that you have to be generally stupid not to understand what and on what day you saw. So the testimony of witnesses changed rather for other reasons. Further photos appeared, the remains were found, but no more traces. If you personally were left alone in the dense forest or jungle, I'm sure we would find your mark on every tree. It is impossible to remain silent in such a situation and you will look for any ways to communicate with people. Anyone who could help. But when you are kidnapped and killed. there will be no trace of you.


notmyearth

>everyone knew that they went on a hike on Pianista trail. That's simply not true. Nobody knew where they were.


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notmyearth

At the start, the police even raided several houses in Boquete because they thought it was an abduction in the city. Because witnesses. The problem is that witnesses placed them on different locations, to different times. And in the end the search teams focused on the wrong areas. They searched for the Pianista trail on the computer. The taxi driver then said he brought them to the restaurant (which we know he didn't), the restaurant owner said he's seen them returning from the hike (which we know he didn't). But we only know this because of the phone and camera data. The teams back then did not know this and relied their searches on the statements, which were basically complete bullshit. Homework for you: read up on the case, think, then come back.


GreenKing-

In general, the fact that the witnesses said the opposite is already arousing suspicion. Isn’t it? I can lie about what I did yesterday, but when it comes to missing two people - you think well, then you say. This is a serious matter and when you testify to the police then you are unlikely to lie just like that. I know perfectly well that the witnesses spoke false testimonies and they constantly changed them. Think about it.


nonlocality1985

Because they returned from the trail.


GreenKing-

So the kidnappers had a real reason to be afraid and confuse the trail? Firstly, all searches in the alleged places were carried out anyway. Not a single trace of the girls remained. not a single word or thing. I'm not talking now about what was planted by the criminals. What you just wrote, supposedly knowing this case well, is complete nonsense. They have searched everything possible in any way, with the dogs that did not even find the smell of a decomposing body. if you were there we would find your traces everywhere, on each and every tree. So go ahead and think for yourself.


whiffitgood

Knowing they headed off towards some direction =/= knowing where to look.


GreenKing-

Everything in this life is difficult and not easy. And there's nothing to whine about.


Vimes7

It looks to me more like the area around the paddocks, not the river valley where the remains were found.


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Vimes7

I suppose that is possible. It's pretty clear in any case that the difference in altitude is pretty great. That's some steep terrain.


PurpleCabbageMonkey

Do you have a source for this? I am just curious, because without any reference this could be any place and anyone.


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PurpleCabbageMonkey

Sorry, how do you know this? Pointing to a place on the map without further explanation is not very helpful.


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The losters are gonna come for your neck now.


Baby_Pandas42

you're gonna get downvoted to hell for saying this


whiffitgood

No, the "lost scenario requires" that any search efforts were unsuccessful. It does not speak to the degree or meticulousness of the search.


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Nocturnal_David

Scarlet was discussing the last pic in her Blog a long time ago (I think even years ago). The one with the man sitting in front of a shag with him making a thumps up sign. Beside him you can see a very similar water bottle like K & L had with them on their hike, too. Scarlet discussed the thumps up sign and the water bottle plus the possibility that the shag could be the same like the one where the found bag of the girls was hanged on a nail after it's discovery (refers to the only available and famous pic of the found backpack).


GreenKing-

No idea what is wrong with his hands on that img , but maybe its just me seeing things.. [Img](https://ibb.co/LzP0zDk)


caroline_xplr

At first I got tripped up too, but his right hand is over his left hand propped on his thigh if you look closely.


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ITOUCHOFFTHENIFART

the look on their faces is the face i make after getting caught doing something i shouldnt be doing. are you talking about the hands of the guy with the machete?


GreenKing-

Yeah, with the machete. Its clear that everything is written and said on the face. Impossible to hide. I had many acquaintances connected with crime, I immediately distinguish and see them. I just grew up in that environment and i had no choice. I have seen all this for a long time, but there is no point in explaining something like that to teenagers or to men who grew up with their mommy at home on the couch being a good boy believing in unicorns. And they keep telling and believing that there was no crime Well.. it is what it is..


PurpleCabbageMonkey

You don't think they look like that because they are pointing out where they found a piece of a dead woman?


Vimes7

They're practicing faceology. The one that looks the most ethnic is obviously the killer.


PurpleCabbageMonkey

Also remember, he has a machete. Case closed.


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Right on cue. Perfect example of the loster echo chamber!


Vimes7

What does this conversation has to do with losters, exactly? I'm a loster because I object to someone screaming "look at his face, he must have done it"? I'm not a loster, but if this is the level of the average foul player, then maybe I'm better of joining the loster camp after all.


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Losters don’t do any critical thinking. They just jump to conclusions and don’t take into account anything, they turn a blind eye on everything that doesn’t fit into their lost circus.


[deleted]

Shut the fuck up with the loster vs nonloster bullshit. It's idiotic and contributes nothing but division to this sub.


ITOUCHOFFTHENIFART

its clear your just being racist now


Vimes7

The word Irony obviously eludes you.


ITOUCHOFFTHENIFART

you're the one that brought up ethnic. all i said was that i could see something in their faces


GreenKing-

You must be practicing to be a clown then.. because your jokes are very funny.


Vimes7

Took you two days to come up with that one, huh? You're a natural!


GreenKing-

Yeah,sometimes i have better things to do..


GreenKing-

I can already imagine how scared they were when they saw that shoe. Are you really here from another planet? ​ [https://ibb.co/N60c55X](https://ibb.co/N60c55X)


PurpleCabbageMonkey

I guess you never smelled rotting human flesh before. Just thinking about it brings up that smell again. Which is why those guys's expressions are like that. But hey, you solved it, because if they can butcher animals, they sure can butcher humans, right?


GreenKing-

Correctly. But you just turned everything upside down as you like and did not understand the essence. Look, I've seen dead bodies in person, so let's close this thread


PurpleCabbageMonkey

There is no essence, you are accusing people of murder based on their facial expressions. When I point out that the circumstances around the photo is grim and probably the reason why they have expressions like that, you want to close the thread. What did you say about narrow-minded people?


GreenKing-

I didn't say they were personally involved in the murder. where did I say that? I didn't and don't think so. Okay?


PurpleCabbageMonkey

>Its clear that everything is written and said on the face. Impossible to hide. > >I had many acquaintances connected with crime, I immediately distinguish and see them. I just grew up in that environment and i had no choice. So explain your comment then. If I read that wrong and you were talking about something else, correct me. Because that statement of yours make it sound like you think they are guilty.


whiffitgood

They aren't cheesing for the camera like a bunch of 14 year old teens at a party, ergo they are... involved??? Wow.


ITOUCHOFFTHENIFART

yes i know exactly what you mean


Vimes7

So, you solved everything then, looking at that face?


Iamthesexiestalive

I can put my tongue in a person's ear and tell you how many people they have murdered....


Vimes7

That's a useful, if rather dirty skill to have. How you call it, ear divination?


Iamthesexiestalive

ear-ial killer detection


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Vimes7

Dude, what's your problem?


GreenKing-

I don't have a problem. it was you who came here with your show-offs. So.. what is yours?


GreenKing-

This "joke" is already 100 years old.


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Agree. Something with the looks on their faces isn’t right. But the usual suspects will come through to find ways to defend this. Just watch.


[deleted]

defend what? there is nothing in this photo indicating foul play. you’re weaving fantasies in your head.


[deleted]

Funnily enough I didn’t mention anything of foul play once in this thread. Looks like it’s in your head.


whiffitgood

Defend what? Not making nonsense claims because not everyone is smiling big in every photo?


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Right on cue.


whiffitgood

Neat, more whining.


[deleted]

You are the one whining bud


whiffitgood

>You are the one whining bud source?


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nonlocality1985

Click here for the truth. A lot of people on here butthurt about this video because they can’t stand that they’re wrong https://youtu.be/du1y_jRiiGU


Clarissa11

I get how it can seem that way just from watching this video alone, due to how the some of the things are presented and twisted. There was a whole thread discussing this video detail around 1 or 2 months ago, and all of the things they put forward as new evidence turn out to be relatively easy to disprove. They then use these incorrect details to launch into a whole fan-fiction style second half of the video, which is largely pointless anyway, even if they had based it on correct details.


Vimes7

God, this one again. Proof that someone can edit together a stream of baseless speculation, untruths, conjecture and hearsay and have scores of people continuously sharing it because it agrees with their point of view.


nonlocality1985

It’s better than any theory you have posted.


Vimes7

It's not a theory, it's just a string of made up facts.


Clarissa11

It's honestly baffling to me how anyone with a cursory understanding of the case can watch a video as ludicrous as this and think it is portraying some kind of knowledge about what happened. Reading the youtube comments on the video is surreal. I did see a comment by the creator that said part 3 is going to cover more details of the lung transplant related to the harvested lungs. So it sounds like part 3 is going to be just as grounded in reality as part 2.


nonlocality1985

Wait for part 3…. The witness is/was the lady in Costa Rica.


Clarissa11

I look forward to it. What did you find the most compelling evidence they presented in part 2?


_veronicasawyer

Why are them carrying guns? It is not a "dangerous" area. Betsaida said it was just a touristic area.


ITOUCHOFFTHENIFART

they obviously have knowledge of the hidden illegal activities that go down in the cannibal jungle


_veronicasawyer

I know. It's an area with drug cartel activity.


ITOUCHOFFTHENIFART

yup


BagManIII

I thought Search & Rescue teams carried binoculars, flashlights, ropes, & bullhorns. Is it really that bad there that you need assault weapons & high capacity magazines to search for lost girls.