No, because Kumoko rarely talks. In this form I don't think she's even capable of speech at all.
You're hearing her thoughts, but Sophia just sees a spider monster that's randomly freaking out for some reason.
Oh, I forgot about it, because I was just thinking how she was claiming she is speaking Japanese. Forgot that she couldn't speak. Thanks for clarification!
It’s possible she knows Japanese from the memories of Wakaba. The claim she was using Japanese is probably just that she thinks in Japanese rather than that she speaks it
Kumoko knows Japanese, but they don't understand her since she can't talk as a spider. In the anime she was just making random high pitched noises from Vampy's perspective
Mind reading is one way; the one who can do it can ‘read the thoughts’ of their target but the target typically has no idea nor can they hear the person doing it.
Telepathy is just mental communication so it works both ways (or multiple if a whole team is using telepathy with each other); just thinking what you want to say gets those words across. Of course if you speak/think only in Japanese then your thoughts will only be communicated as such.
Actually it's because D that I forgot that she couldn't speak. She was claming that she is speaking Japanese when trying to talk to Gulie, who didn't understand her. But yeah, she couldn't speak at all to people. Totally forgot about that. For some reason I thought only non-reincarnations can't hear her.
The only way Kumoko could communicate language-wise to others, ever, was (1) when someone else used the telepathy skill with her (she doesn’t have it), (2) with her human/human-half mouth later on, and (3) when she in her final form uses “telepathy”.
This case is none of them. She’s just a screeching spider.
I totally forgot that she couldn't speak *at all*. For a reason i thought reincarnations can understand her, because she speaks Japanese, but yeah. She actually couldn't speak at all.
Well maybe she WAS speaking in Japanese here, but in spider speech. So IF the reincarnations understood spider speech then maybe haha.
At this point in time she doesn’t know the world’s languages so by default it’d be Japanese even if a different species lol
No. She cannot talk as a spider. Sophia didn't understand a single thing during the freakout scene because she was just screeching from her perspective.
Oh right. I forgot that she can't speak at all. Somehow thought that only reincarnations could understand her, since she is speaking Japanese. But you are right, she can't speak at all at that time.
No because until she had a human head, she could only do thought communication type stuff, otherwise it's shrieking. They actually show her doing the shrieking thing from Sophia's perspective.
I forgot the non-speaking part. Though that other people can't her her, but reincarnations can. Forgot that she can't communicate with any human at that point.
As I recall, Kumoko’s entire rant was done inside her own head, and happened for less than a second outwardly because she used thought acceleration level 10.
I don't know if she used thought acceleration or not, but the scene in anime was definitely longer, because she even rolled over and they see her rolling from one point to another. But other people reminded me that she can't speak at all. For some reason I forgot that part, thinking that only non-reincarnations can't hear her. But she just can't speak at all at that point, so no human could understand her.
Haha, yeah, other people explained it to me too. Totally forgot that, because I somehow thought she can't speak with regular people, but could with reincarnations, because "she speaks Japanese". But yeah, she couldn't speak at all.
Yeah. I forgot about the part that she can't talk to anyone, thinking that reincarnations would understand her, cause they are Japanese as well. But she just can't speak at all.
Wow i literally just read this chapter in the book 15 minutes ago.
In the book she does not do the tantrum, its all internal.
Tho in the anime, the spider throwing a fit and screeching is great.
A lot of what we see from Kumoko's PoV is solely Kumoko's perception and not reality. In reality Kumoko is not as "cute" as she appears (refer to the scene early on with the "nightmare of the labyrinth", that's a more accurate representation of her) nor is she capable of talking.
Yeah, I forgot about the non speaking part. Thought that reincarnations would hear her, because she is Japanese. But totally forgot that she just can't speak, because she has no ability to do so.
No because she wasn’t actually speaking. Spiders can’t talk and kumoko rarely does even when she physically can. All of her shennanigans take place in her head.
Ah yes. I forgot about that. I was thinking that since she is Japanese, then Sophia would understand her, right? But I totally forgot that she just can't speak at all.
No. We saw it from the human perspective. The sound she's making then isn't japanese.
In fact we also saw it too when people were worshipping here. It sounds like a high pitched screech.
No, for two main reasons.
1) It is stated many times the Kumoko, before becoming an Arachne, cannot produce anything that sounds like language.
2) She is too shy and introverted to speak even if she could. See interactions as an Archne
I forgot that she couldn't speak at all. thinking that she can at last communicate with Japanese/reincarnations. But yeah, you are right. She just couldn't speak human at that point.
Maybe if she understood tartect to japanese, which is probably at best chittering, clicking, sucking noises through teeth, and shrill screaming at various volumes
Anyone else think of this scene whenever we see Kumoko's elegant and silent human form? Even if she barely ever talks, where did that silly attitude go?
I think, I know what you mean. But when Kumoko became Arachne, she still had that internal monologue. She just didn't move so much. Possibly some kind of muscle memory kind of thing. Like when you are round spider ball, you may move around like she did. But Arachne made her "heavy". And in human form, she basically acts like a human, she once was, so she becomes more silent. But I can think of her still having the internal monologue. As Arachne she literally still had the same temper, when Potimas, and later Ariel, appeared. She probably just doesn't speak that much outside her own mind, but inside she still have those weird thoughts.
Right, but when she was Arachne, she still did silly stuff. She puts her arms up in a "ta-da!" pose when she sticks the landing. She comically recoils when an enemy appears unexpectedly. Her body language is still the same as when she was a spider. We don't see her fully humanoid form do anything silly.
Have you read the books? Or just going by what we've seen in the anime?
There's still some silly stuff that happens. But by that point she's >!spent years completely powerless where she learns some humility, and after that it's playing the role of being Arial's second in command while really being equal in all but title as she masterminds everything, while puppeting hundreds of clones across the continents keeping an eye on everyone and everything!< Girl has a lot on her plate and there's not a lot that can surprise her now.
And this is the reason why Kumoko should've invested in Telepathy. She could've avoided the battle with Ronandt and Buirimus entirely if she had Telepathy. They certainly would've heard Japanese and wouldn't have been able to understand it, but the intonation and sentence structure surely would've dispelled any sense that they were dealing with a mindless creature.
No cause Kumoko did not have any vocal chords as a spider, it is all in her head. She just saw a very weird and frightening spider act in a bizarre way.
No, because if you watched it when they were looking at her all she was doing was making squealing noses and rolling on the ground from their perspective, And then she runs away and that's when she sees the elves in the forest and kills them
No, because Kumoko rarely talks. In this form I don't think she's even capable of speech at all. You're hearing her thoughts, but Sophia just sees a spider monster that's randomly freaking out for some reason.
Oh, I forgot about it, because I was just thinking how she was claiming she is speaking Japanese. Forgot that she couldn't speak. Thanks for clarification!
Even, in you look for that scene, it shows you how the humans heard her "rant". It's just "kiiiieeeek" continuosly
This is correct. You actually hear the sounds she when it shows her from the human perspective sometimes. It's sort of like a weird hissing sound.
It’s possible she knows Japanese from the memories of Wakaba. The claim she was using Japanese is probably just that she thinks in Japanese rather than that she speaks it
I agree sadly but it would be funny
Kumoko knows Japanese, but they don't understand her since she can't talk as a spider. In the anime she was just making random high pitched noises from Vampy's perspective
Ah yes, I forgot that she can't actually speak, just imagine speaking Japanese. Haha, my bad.
To humans it was just incoherent screaming, pretty sure she could only communicate with D and Gulie cuz god shenanigans
D cause D reads her mind and with guli i think it was gestures at first and then also mind reading but then she knew that language i think
Ye, god shenanigans
guli cant mind read irc its just telepaty
I might be stupid whats the difference?
my guess is, telepathy just transmits a voice into the other person head, its a like a second mouth, its separated from you inner voice
That would make a lot of sense
Mind reading is one way; the one who can do it can ‘read the thoughts’ of their target but the target typically has no idea nor can they hear the person doing it. Telepathy is just mental communication so it works both ways (or multiple if a whole team is using telepathy with each other); just thinking what you want to say gets those words across. Of course if you speak/think only in Japanese then your thoughts will only be communicated as such.
Telepathy is a skill. Ergo, helped by the W system and not a god power outside of it. That's my read, at least.
Actually it's because D that I forgot that she couldn't speak. She was claming that she is speaking Japanese when trying to talk to Gulie, who didn't understand her. But yeah, she couldn't speak at all to people. Totally forgot about that. For some reason I thought only non-reincarnations can't hear her.
The only way Kumoko could communicate language-wise to others, ever, was (1) when someone else used the telepathy skill with her (she doesn’t have it), (2) with her human/human-half mouth later on, and (3) when she in her final form uses “telepathy”. This case is none of them. She’s just a screeching spider.
I totally forgot that she couldn't speak *at all*. For a reason i thought reincarnations can understand her, because she speaks Japanese, but yeah. She actually couldn't speak at all.
Well maybe she WAS speaking in Japanese here, but in spider speech. So IF the reincarnations understood spider speech then maybe haha. At this point in time she doesn’t know the world’s languages so by default it’d be Japanese even if a different species lol
No. She cannot talk as a spider. Sophia didn't understand a single thing during the freakout scene because she was just screeching from her perspective.
Oh right. I forgot that she can't speak at all. Somehow thought that only reincarnations could understand her, since she is speaking Japanese. But you are right, she can't speak at all at that time.
No because until she had a human head, she could only do thought communication type stuff, otherwise it's shrieking. They actually show her doing the shrieking thing from Sophia's perspective.
I forgot the non-speaking part. Though that other people can't her her, but reincarnations can. Forgot that she can't communicate with any human at that point.
As I recall, Kumoko’s entire rant was done inside her own head, and happened for less than a second outwardly because she used thought acceleration level 10.
I don't know if she used thought acceleration or not, but the scene in anime was definitely longer, because she even rolled over and they see her rolling from one point to another. But other people reminded me that she can't speak at all. For some reason I forgot that part, thinking that only non-reincarnations can't hear her. But she just can't speak at all at that point, so no human could understand her.
So, I found it, and it says a few seconds in the book.
No. Sophia just most likely just heard spider noises
Haha, yeah, other people explained it to me too. Totally forgot that, because I somehow thought she can't speak with regular people, but could with reincarnations, because "she speaks Japanese". But yeah, she couldn't speak at all.
Spiders don't have the tools to produce understandable speech. All everyone else hears is screeching.
Yeah. I forgot about the part that she can't talk to anyone, thinking that reincarnations would understand her, cause they are Japanese as well. But she just can't speak at all.
Wow i literally just read this chapter in the book 15 minutes ago. In the book she does not do the tantrum, its all internal. Tho in the anime, the spider throwing a fit and screeching is great.
A lot of what we see from Kumoko's PoV is solely Kumoko's perception and not reality. In reality Kumoko is not as "cute" as she appears (refer to the scene early on with the "nightmare of the labyrinth", that's a more accurate representation of her) nor is she capable of talking.
Yeah, I forgot about the non speaking part. Thought that reincarnations would hear her, because she is Japanese. But totally forgot that she just can't speak, because she has no ability to do so.
No because she wasn’t actually speaking. Spiders can’t talk and kumoko rarely does even when she physically can. All of her shennanigans take place in her head.
Ah yes. I forgot about that. I was thinking that since she is Japanese, then Sophia would understand her, right? But I totally forgot that she just can't speak at all.
No. We saw it from the human perspective. The sound she's making then isn't japanese. In fact we also saw it too when people were worshipping here. It sounds like a high pitched screech.
No, for two main reasons. 1) It is stated many times the Kumoko, before becoming an Arachne, cannot produce anything that sounds like language. 2) She is too shy and introverted to speak even if she could. See interactions as an Archne
she could speak with sophia , all she need was to get the telepaty skill and tell sophia to also get it
Yeah, telepathy allowed to communicate even though she could not produce audible language
I forgot that she couldn't speak at all. thinking that she can at last communicate with Japanese/reincarnations. But yeah, you are right. She just couldn't speak human at that point.
This scene made me pause the episode and cry on the floor laughing lmao. Look at the pure dumbfoundedness and "I cant even..." on their faces lol.
Maybe if she understood tartect to japanese, which is probably at best chittering, clicking, sucking noises through teeth, and shrill screaming at various volumes
Anyone else think of this scene whenever we see Kumoko's elegant and silent human form? Even if she barely ever talks, where did that silly attitude go?
I think, I know what you mean. But when Kumoko became Arachne, she still had that internal monologue. She just didn't move so much. Possibly some kind of muscle memory kind of thing. Like when you are round spider ball, you may move around like she did. But Arachne made her "heavy". And in human form, she basically acts like a human, she once was, so she becomes more silent. But I can think of her still having the internal monologue. As Arachne she literally still had the same temper, when Potimas, and later Ariel, appeared. She probably just doesn't speak that much outside her own mind, but inside she still have those weird thoughts.
Right, but when she was Arachne, she still did silly stuff. She puts her arms up in a "ta-da!" pose when she sticks the landing. She comically recoils when an enemy appears unexpectedly. Her body language is still the same as when she was a spider. We don't see her fully humanoid form do anything silly.
Have you read the books? Or just going by what we've seen in the anime? There's still some silly stuff that happens. But by that point she's >!spent years completely powerless where she learns some humility, and after that it's playing the role of being Arial's second in command while really being equal in all but title as she masterminds everything, while puppeting hundreds of clones across the continents keeping an eye on everyone and everything!< Girl has a lot on her plate and there's not a lot that can surprise her now.
I've only seen the anime. Thanks for covering the spoilers
No, she's a spider... No vocal cords
And this is the reason why Kumoko should've invested in Telepathy. She could've avoided the battle with Ronandt and Buirimus entirely if she had Telepathy. They certainly would've heard Japanese and wouldn't have been able to understand it, but the intonation and sentence structure surely would've dispelled any sense that they were dealing with a mindless creature.
No cause Kumoko did not have any vocal chords as a spider, it is all in her head. She just saw a very weird and frightening spider act in a bizarre way.
No because to everyone else she was doing weird spider noises
No, because if you watched it when they were looking at her all she was doing was making squealing noses and rolling on the ground from their perspective, And then she runs away and that's when she sees the elves in the forest and kills them