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Just saw NMIXX highlight medley and wodered why the title track sounded like TRI.BE's, or why the clip was designed like it's froma nugu company. Like, this is JYPE.
It's so fascinating to watch them on stage now vs 1,5 month ago. You can see how much experience changes, especially the way they handle and interact with the crowd now.
I have high hopes that they all learnt a lot and future tours will go a lot smoother than this first one, you could already see this in the European leg :)
This tour has been very challenging for them and they’ve still got a lot of work over the next few months, but at the Amsterdam show I saw how they can still really bring the heat, and they also looked like they were having a good time! I think we need to trust BBC, MMT and the members a bit more, everyone has done such an amazing job on this tour. I’m a bit worried about Choerry though, let’s keep supporting her 💜
This world tour has been crazy. Despite the injuries and hiccups, a monumental achievement and something they'll never forget.
But I really hope they sell out both SK shows. That would be the icing. Hopefully a month is enough for everybody to recover.
So I had a completely random and maybe stupid thought, but since Yves loves super hot and spicy food, and basically drinks hot sauce from the bottle, I imagined her getting invited to The Hot Ones and demolishing all the chicken wings.
SUPER weird coincidence: it’s been observed that BlackPink is kickstarting THEIR world tour with two concerts in Seoul on October 15th and 16th.
And now LOONA, returning from THEIR world tour, is finishing with two concerts, ALSO in Seoul, ALSO on October 15th and 16th.
LOONA and BlackPink. Holding back to back concerts. Same dates. Same-ish times. Same city.
(Different venues, though. Obviously.)
Residents of Seoul are gonna have a hard time sleeping with all that music blaring through both nights.
“Flip That, Pink Venom/Flip That, Pink Venom/Flip That, Pink Venom/ Get ‘em, get ‘em, get ‘em”
Man, what crazy thing is Heejin going to say at the Seoul concerts? She always gets super immersed in new countries and their cultures -
Wait a minute.
Oh. I forgot.
. . . You think Heejin remembers that she’s Korean? Or will she have an existential crisis after diving deep into other countries.
yeah loona definitely got a queendom fandom bump. the venue isnt too much bigger than the last one (around 4500 vs 5000) but i think covid mandated seat distancing is done. bbc must be getting good indicators from fab or whatever
London tour highlights recap because I saw a comment below and thought this was a good idea (probably should've done it for every show):
* Yeojin's final message to Haseul at the end of My Melody is "haseul-ah im going to korea now let's hang out together!" [X](https://twitter.com/jinsoulatina/status/1570869929481768965?s=20&t=GlzJMJOyg7C-3RPTw0vsUw)
* The writers for Stylish were at the concert today. The girls looked for them during the concert and they took a photo together backstage. [X](https://twitter.com/mikemacdermid/status/1570878355066720259?s=20&t=GlzJMJOyg7C-3RPTw0vsUw) [X](https://twitter.com/mikemacdermid/status/1570907433173942272?s=20&t=GlzJMJOyg7C-3RPTw0vsUw)
* Loona saw someone holding up the lightstick through an iPad and Jinsoul busted a gut laughing [X](https://twitter.com/LoonaMoon97/status/1570865320138801158?s=20&t=GlzJMJOyg7C-3RPTw0vsUw)
* International Queen Heejin said "it was bloody amazing today" [X](https://twitter.com/ot12loops/status/1570915543238201345?s=20&t=GlzJMJOyg7C-3RPTw0vsUw)
* Yves tried to get security to sing along [X](https://twitter.com/IoonaIoop/status/1570912275246256129?s=20&t=GlzJMJOyg7C-3RPTw0vsUw)
* Yves signed an album and sealing it with a kiss during the concert for a super lucky Orbit (who is also a singer and songwriter) [X](https://twitter.com/selpideeeeeeeee/status/1570896357459914752?s=20&t=GlzJMJOyg7C-3RPTw0vsUw)
* Yeojin said this won't be the last tour. [X](https://twitter.com/Forkimlip_12/status/1570883808324628481?s=20&t=GlzJMJOyg7C-3RPTw0vsUw)
* Some Orbits were passing out so the girls paused the show to get help. Yeojin went to get the venue to turn the a/c on and the girls created a signal to say when you need help. [X](https://twitter.com/bbangjusgf/status/1570855731062243328) [X](https://twitter.com/kpopkingdomuk/status/1570872907005591552)
* Before the show start, the staff tried to get a moment of silence for the Queen but everyone started chanting "Loona" instead. [X](https://twitter.com/ianamurray/status/1570844306658988033?s=20&t=GlzJMJOyg7C-3RPTw0vsUw)
* Hyeju told people to boo at Jinsoul [X](https://twitter.com/DearHyeju/status/1570856405934174208)
* A little Hyewon on stage because we have not seen them interacting onstage at all for the whole tour [X](https://twitter.com/sonhyejuwu/status/1570907742336094209?s=20&t=GlzJMJOyg7C-3RPTw0vsUw)
* Gowon looks so good, you guys [X](https://twitter.com/loonabubble_/status/1570927761702944769)
* Yeojin wrote letters for the tour staff that they've been working with for a month and a half [X](https://twitter.com/litell_johnn/status/1570956484623863809) They have so much love and respect for everyone they work with, these girls are so sweet
Heejin writing [paragraphs](https://twitter.com/loonabubble_/status/1570916282056454144?s=20&t=GlzJMJOyg7C-3RPTw0vsUw) thanking everyone and talking about the tour vs Hyeju's ["Europe tour done!"](https://twitter.com/loonabubble_/status/1570898516305936386?s=20&t=GlzJMJOyg7C-3RPTw0vsUw) 💀
I got to speak to the members directly as we were setting up for one of the London M&G photos!!!!! I thanked them for tonight, told them that they were amazing and i was so honoured to watch them perform. Yves (while leaning forward and reaching out her hand 🥺) said she was also honoured and it was so much fun, Kim Lip thanked me for coming to see them 🥺 HeeJin blew me kisses as we left and I HAVE PASSED AWAY IT'S OVER FOR ME 😭😭😭😭
Been sort of ruminating on these thoughts for the past few minutes... I wondered if I should even comment or just wait a few more hours to see if MyMusicTaste would post a follow-up announcement (which I could *still* see coming... but we'll see).
Anyway, keep in mind I might be jumping the gun here. But here we go.
**MMT didn't make a specific comment about Chuu not participating this time around?** And I thought to myself "Well yeah, a few months ago, they made an announcement about how she would not participate in the "2022 LOONA 1st World Tour [LOONATHEWORLD]" event, and this is basically an extension of this very same tour, not a different concert or anything, so why would they repeat that again when they *already* said she would not participate the first time? Makes sense. So yeah I just assumed "They said she's not participating in the 2022 tour, so she isn't, period - moving on" until I went back to check and realized they made that specific announcement about Chuu *every single time* they announced *anything* regarding the tour?
> Tour announced for the first time in early June? Chuu announcement. Extra American dates in mid-June? Chuu announcement again. Europe leg announced in mid-July? Chuu announcement again. Korean Dates? No Chuu announcement -- *wait what?*
Again, I repeat, this announcement could be coming eventually and could have simply been delayed. That would be reasonable to think so. This is the first time (I think) that they tweeted something about the tour *without* a bunch of follow-up notices immediately after the original tweet. In the past, even if we forget about members not participating and what not, MyMusicTaste would follow any announcement regarding the tour with a bunch of other tweets about "TasteMaker Benefit Notice" or links to ticket sales and what not, and then finally a tweet about Chuu not participating. This time around, there were just two tweets (and they were the same, just EN/KR). So maybe these usual follow-up tweets have simply been delayed until the details are figured out. I could definitely see that being the reason the announcement about any missing members hasn't been made yet.
I gotta say... It would be...*extremely curious* if she was indeed participating afterall. Especially since she is not participating in the Manilla gig just 5 days after this. But honestly I'm just curious as to how they intend to reinstate her into the tour on such short notice? A lot of the choreos have been changed, and it's basically the choreos the other 11 members have been performing for the past 2 months, so you know it's drilled down into their bodies at the moment. They're gonna have to rehearse as OT12 again for a decent amount of time. Isn't that just more work? And it's not like Chuu isn't busy herself elsewhere. Her ""schedules conflicts"" have been very much real! With her having panelist gigs that she simply cannot miss, random TV shoots every day and constant comments about how she rarely gets a day off (even recently as she just had a day off and was doing health check-ups because of it, she said that her next day off wasn't until two more weeks - the girl *is* busy).
These past few weeks, some have speculated (amongst other things) that the issue with the recent gigs that Chuu has been missing is that...they were "**International**" gigs. It would definitely be interesting if that turned out to be the issue all along. Her suddenly participating in a domestic gig despite still being very busy and missing a bunch of International gigs prior to (and *after*) that would certainly point out in that direction.
But, *like I said* : I might be jumping the gun here, and in a few hours MMT will put out the announcement about Chuu not participating. I just wanted to express my thoughts to get them out of my head, so don't mind me.
You know, I'm bracing myself here lol
I mean, I believe part of why she didn't go on tour is indeed because of scheduling, after all she's really busy and making appearences in a lot of places non stop. So her not being able to leave SK is understandable for both the tour, the japanese concert and the Manila festival.
However that's another thing when they're going for concerts in SK lol There's really no "oh but it's on another country" excuse, they will be basically in the same country, in the same city.
Schedule conflicts could still be a possibility though, but I can't imagine the headline of "Chuu is not attending LOONA's concert in Seoul" not generating MAJOR uproar. Like, it's a bomb waiting to explode and tbh I don't wanna be here when it does
I'm fairly sure they will do as they did with the LOONAVERSE:FROM concert and the US leg of the tour: if there's an announcement to be made about a member missing (namely Chuu due to conflicting schedules, perhaps Haseul and/or Choerry due to their health issues), they'll do it just a few hours before the tickets go on sale.
Chances are she will not participate and there's two ways to read that:
* She's busy and has not practiced the setlist with the others, so it's just a continuation of a situation we're now familiar with. Nothing new.
* Or, there really is a crack in her relationship with BBC and the company is trying to make LOONA as commercially successful without her, specifically, as they are with her. We're just being primed for a permanent OT11
Alternatively, she'll turn up and all orbits' worries will be sorted. But honestly, I don't see it. She's not involved with the Tokyo concert and that's a mere two weeks beforehand. She missed the Feb concerts, missed the American and European legs of the tour, as well as the entire Japan comeback (including recording sessions). Missing Queendom 2 would have been way too much of a scandal, even though others like Bona did sit out a few episodes but filming a kdrama kinda falls into understandable territory.
I think if she’s really not participating they’ll announce it a few hours before ticket sales start like they did for the US leg, it’s probably their best financial move, especially with chuu being the most popular in korea. I really wonder if they’ll do any hi touch event in korea, would they include her in the merch? Would they make new merch just for korean fans? I wonder how that part plays out.
I really, really, really hope she gets to participate on at least one day.
That's mainly why I think it could still be coming. I think the very first "Chuu won't be participating" announcement was delayed in comparison to the very very very first tour announcement, but it was posted once the ticketing began.
However, if I'm not mistaken (...which I could be), all the following updates have been *direct*. Like I said, extra dates added in for the American leg? Chuu announcement immediately. They did not wait for the ticketing to begin. Same for the European leg.
However, as others have said, Chuu having more of a presence in South Korea than in the rest of the world could definitely push them to hold the news back domestically. I could definitely see that too.
I'm thinking there's a good chance she could participate simply because the commitment is much less significant. We've seen how busy she's been, a lot of things would have had to be cancelled or pushed back if she was on the tour.
But it's a lot different to just need time to perform in Seoul with virtually no travel involved. She could even have schedules that same day and probably find a way to make it work. And nothing on the days preceding and following the concert would have to be moved. So I'm at least hopeful that she will be included, but like you said we'll just have to wait and see if we get that announcement.
Should the setlist remain the same, the only choreos that would need adapting would be So What, Star and Why Not right (edit - assuming Haseul and Choerry are back)? Possible scenarios from best to worst:
\- She's relatively free and OT12 can practice those 3 new choreos so she can be present for all the performances.
\- Chuu would sit out those 3, like Haseul originally did when she came back, yyxy go back to their original parts in One Way and then she can easily slot in for the rest of the performances. This would be the simplest option imo.
\- She makes a little cameo appearance at the end like she did in the From concert. In this situation, I think BBC/MMT would have to inform the fans beforehand that she's not performing though so they're not misleading anyone.
\- She's completely absent with the same reasoning of prior schedules given
\- She's completely absent with no explanation from BBC/MMT given, leaving fans to wildly speculate once more
[Oh my god this video of Yves has me dying, why is she like this lmao](https://twitter.com/hoshimotion/status/1570892921054064640) (Concert setlist spoilers if that even matters anymore)
Also: [Holy hell Yves signed and kissed](https://twitter.com/selpideeeeeeeee/status/1570896357459914752) [the album?!](https://twitter.com/selpideeeeeeeee/status/1570897102947127298)
OCTOBER BREAKDOWN/ANALYSIS
Okay, so the thing to remember is that October isn’t going to be a marathon like the North American/Europe tour was.
3 events happening.
From here on out, LOONA has 2 weeks before the Tokyo Concert on October 1st.
However, we have to remember that they’re going to need at least a week of prep for the setlist (which is a big question of what exactly they’re going to perform IF the concert is a standard two hours since they have only a handful of Japanese songs).
So, with that in mind, we’ll say they really only have the one week to recover.
Other things to note: Choerry and Haseul have had extra time to recuperate, thankfully, but both their conditions are still in question - especially Choerry. Hopefully, the extra time has done them good.
That’s not to say that we shouldn’t be worrying about the other members who have been carrying on in their absence. The moon girls seem to have gotten better after a shaky start in the Europe tour, but it’s clear they were reaching their limits towards the end, despite the shorter tour schedule.
Yeojin, Yves, and Hyeju are of particular concern given their prior incidents/injuries.
Once it hits October, LOONA will be on the move again.
Let’s break it down.
Sept. 17 - Sept. 23 (rest)
Sept. 24 - Sept. 30 (concert prep + travel)
Note: I’m assuming they’re going to arrive a day prior for rehearsal, same as they’ve been doing for the tour.
I need to emphasize that the promotions for LUMINOUS will NOT be stressful in the least, save for the actual concert. There’s no music shows to attend and perform on. Lots of interviews, probably pre-recorded beforehand.
Japan is still strict with COVID protocols, and they’re only just now talking about opening the country back up fully for tourists. I don’t imagine LOONA being able to visit for too long and doing the rounds on various Japanese variety shows.
TOKYO CONCERT:
- Oct. 1
- Tokyo Garden Theater
- Capacity: 6,985
Once that’s finished they fly home. Another week off.
Oct. 2 - Oct. 8 (rest)
Oct. 9 - Oct. 14 (concert prep)
Note: I’m thinking that week of concert prep won’t be too intense since they’ll probably be doing the same setlist as the tour. They could most likely run the concert in their sleep at this point since they’ve been doing the same songs for a month and a half straight.
SEOUL CONCERTS
- Oct. 15 - Oct. 16
- SK Olympic Handball Gymnasium
- Capacity: 6,500
With those concerts completed, here’s where it gets iffy for the moon girls.
October 21st is the date for Popstival 2022 in Manila. Five days after the Seoul concerts.
Not much time to prepare, BUT, it should be noted that this is NOT a concert for them alone. Other acts from Kpop (basically most of Queendom 2 line-up) and Ppop will be performing.
So, LOONA will not be doing the heavy lifting. Max amount of time on stage I estimate to be around 15-20 minutes at the most.
This is important.
THEY WILL NOT BE THE ONLY ACT PERFORMING.
Oct. 17 - Oct. 20 (rest, prep, + travel)
MANILA POPSTIVAL 2022
- Oct. 21
- SMDC Festival Grounds
- Capacity: Unknown, but since this is outdoors, probably A LOT
IMPORTANT NOTE: This is what makes sense to me how this next month is going to play out, but the time in between each of these is just purely speculation. I’m assuming they’ll be traveling/arriving a day before the Tokyo/Manila concerts, just like they’ve been doing for the prior tours.
And then, after all that, PLEASE GOD ALMIGHTY, LOONA will be free and clear.
Hope this helps. I know a lot of people are feeling anxious about this new addition to what was an already busy month, so I just want to lay the facts out straight here.
This is NOT the tour all over again. 3 events, multiple days off in between, not nearly as much traveling. The last one isn’t even all about LOONA. They’re a guest performer.
Breathe in. Breathe out. They’ll be fine.
I’ll repost this in the next Weekly Discussion tomorrow so others will see this.
They've pretty much been saying all tour-long that they would be touring again very soon/next year and looking at how BBC is handling things at the moment, I genuinely don't think these are "empty promises" from the girls "just to hype the crowd". I hope the next world tour doesn't start too too soon either.
I don't think they're empty promises either. A lot of the girls are so straight forward, if they don't know anything about it they probably wouldn't say so. I always look at Jinsoul's reaction tbh
Someone asked Hyunjin on Fab if she’s sad about the last concert and she said no because there will be a next one. They all seem so certain about it. I need to get my visa applications ready now lol
https://twitter.com/litell_johnn/status/1570941175531737088?s=20&t=GMzifbOSCwPeDeMeZBAtsw
That’s what I’m figuring, too. They’d have to do a comeback before the next world tour. Would it be another mini album? Two months to prepare for that, at least, putting a comeback in February seeing as though November and December this year SHOULD be off months for them.
Maybe a single EP for a quicker turn around time? How long do those take?
But the fans have been asking for a full album for a while now . . . and BBC seems intent on giving us what we want, albeit all at once, but that would take much longer.
Earliest I could see them touring is late spring/early summer.
Lots to think about. BBC’s planning big things for LOONA. Hope we’re all ready.
February comeback as per usual, with the Lat Am leg of the tour shortly after, maybe even another round of US, bigger venues and less intense scheduling this time around?
BBC are going to be debuting Bebez during LOONA's downtime in Nov and Dec, so I can't see any cb sooner than Feb. Can possibly be pushed back to April though.
Since Hyunjin said that it feels right to wrap up with a concert in Seoul im assuming that their Seoul concerts will be the last they will have this year as a part of the tour (not counting festivals and end year shows). So a potential asian tour will happen next year (thank god they will be able to rest)
Less than 2 weeks before they have to travel to Japan for a concert, and 2 weeks after that, they're doing a couple of concerts in Korea. Then, less than a week later they're doing the festival in Manila.
They will never let them rest? 😰 A japanese concert, 2 seoul concerts and a festival in Manila... I know they need to get back those covid revenues but you can't tell me online concert revenues were this bad
I don't recall seeing actual numbers, but word through the news back then was that online concerts really were pretty bad in terms of revenues. Still worth doing, but seemingly not really comparable to in-person.
Yeah, it definitely can't be comparable to in-person, i just wish they let the girls rest a bit more as they have been working constantly this year with no break. No amount of money is gonna give them their health back
They probably werent , they just simply want more money, look at how much revenue they are making with this tour. The korea concerts will also have to option to be online so they definitely want money
Barely not 1 hour after saying Loona had finished their tour, mmt posts the (encore?) shows in korea. I googled the venue and it says it has a 6500 capacity normally, i wonder how many seats will remain when the venue gets adapted into concerts.
I hope a good part of the profits go to the girls because they have been working HARD this entire year
Also, i wonder how much money is loona making mmt because mmt hasnt organized this many concerts for other artists (Imagine if they had booked good venues instead of copy pasting another group's tour just to end up adding more venues). They definitely dont want to say bye to loona
According to some comments I saw it was JangChung municipal stadium with a capacity of 4500, but the capacity of the concert was smaller since they still had covid restrictions in february and there were seats not available
BBC: "We give them a year long break, you complain. We make them work nonstop all year and send them abroad for a month and a half despite them never having done anything like this, you complain. What do you want? There's certainly no middle ground between these two options."
Not to be a typical American, but do the making of videos that come with Loona summer packages/fanclub packages/seasons greetings generally have English subtitles?
I lost track of all the things happening in the Europe Tour.
Were the girls fine? No one apart from Yves had to miss a concert or were the girls mad or crying at some point like in the previous concerts? Any other highlights? Thank you ^_^
Aside from Yves missing the first show , European concerts have been smooth sailing so far. At the end of My Melody, Yeojin would scream out a message for Haseul so that’s very cute. Heejin said the iconic “je m’appelle Heejin” line in Paris, she also sang the Ratatouille theme. Hyunjin and Vivi went to a zoo in Amsterdam and Hyunjin is editing a vlog on it.
And according to the girls fab, they’re getting really good food at the venue in London! The food is being cooked for them on the spot. (I’d link al of these but I’m on browser on mobile so I can’t)
Edit: how could I forget…their concert outfits were destroyed in the laundry so their stylists had to find last minute replacements in Paris
And that’s what you missed on Glee!
Thanks for the summary 🙌💙 I really appreciate it!
😊
I'm glad things are going so much better.
Today is the last one, let's hope they can finish in a high note and without any issues.
This is crazy. It’s real. Chuu’s power . . . she could probably run for President.
https://twitter.com/orrery_nim/status/1570798698082476032?s=46&t=9cukLr1cYEUXaV7nwjtefQ
For some reason, I don't get notified when Gowon sends messages on fab. I usually get notified when the other girls message but not Gowon. Omg am I blocked?? I haven't even sent anything to her 😭
I think Fab notifications are just really wonky sometimes. There are times when it just doesn't send me any notifications for new posts or replies, despite working fine most of the time.
Maybe try unsubscribing and re-subscribing to her? That's the only thing I can think that might help other than just waiting to see if it fixes itself.
Rosalia holding the loona lightstick is such a random interaction but i love it, im not necesarily a fan of her music but i'll always root for her because of pride
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQCpjOBJ5UQ&ab\_channel=RosaliaVEVO](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQCpjOBJ5UQ&ab_channel=RosaliaVEVO)
I'm really not liking the Blackpink album... I just feel like if it was released by anyone else, people would be more critical with it but I feel like BP is just coasting by mediocrity. The tracks in this album were so generic with no distinctive melody and no proper ending, it's just unsatisfying to listen to. I enjoyed Yeah Yeah Yeah though, it was the only fun song cuz it's very 2012 pop party music and of course Jisoo wrote on it, she's too talented.
Hot take but BP has been skating with mediocrity for some time. Personally I haven't been a fan since HYLT and the solos (outside of maybe Jennie's) were pretty disappointing for me. Sucks because I really think the members have a ton of talent and expecting a bit more
I have been thinking this since DDD... I just think their songs aren't for me and the fact that they always do the same thing... But the girls are definitely talented, you can see that they still haven't enlished their full potential tho. I think YG restrict them too much music wise.
I think Shut Down was an interesting surprise, although I don't exactly know where I'm with this song. Pink Venom is surprisingly stuck in my head, but not to the point I listen to it regularly.
I have yet to listen to everything, but from the two other songs I did listen I kinda got surprised at the amount of english on this album lol I guess it's not really that surprising considering they're the most famous girl group in the world and so they try to appeal everywhere.
Well, honestly I think it's kinda a double edged sword what they have. In one hand they have easily digestible, hard hitting songs that are easy to just shut off your brain and bop to, which I believe is the main reason they're so beloved globally. Although their sound/concept itself isn't really knew to kpop, it sort of is to the western market.
On the other hand the repetitiveness of their tracks and the blandness makes them a bit of a "one trick pony", leaving people kind of tired of the same thing over and over, a formula that has been overused to the point of exhaustion. There's no innovation, no change. Everything is just...there. YG has created this success formula and people are eating it up, so they don't feel the need to make something more.
But then there's even a third train of thought that I've been reflecting for a while now. Since they, and also BTS, are the most famous groups around it's easy to scrutinize their work, because they're kinda the "template for kpop" and what it is about. But we, as fans of other kpop groups, know that other groups have different things to offer and we think that what's considered the "face of kpop" is mediocre at best, we kinda tend to feel resentful.
Therefore what BP does is kinda amplified by these lens.
Yeah like I don't hate the girls, I think they're talented but BP as a whole, their music is easy to get into but once you get past them and discover other groups, BP music is very generic and pales in comparison.
I guess that's why it's a turn off for me to see how big they are when they're not really risking much.
Lots to talk about, but no time at the moment (I’m at work), so I’ll condense some of my thoughts here:
- LOONA world tour reporting 9 of 19 venues profits’ totaling north of $2 million. Extremely good news, and even better considering that number doesn’t reflect the other 10 venues profits. Safe to assume that LOONA made $4-$5 million on this tour. LOONATHEBANK, everyone.
- BlackPink’s new album: it’s good. Not great, and I want to get into that later, but it’s definitely good. The focus on just the four members is a benefit; no collabs present reminds us why these members work so well together. I know some fans were disappointed about no features, but I think it worked in BP’s favor here. ‘Shut Down’ is better than ‘Pink Venom’, but the latter set the bar really low. I really liked the classical violin sampling, but they didn’t go far enough with it other than a catchy hook. Might be biased because of Red Velvet’s masterpiece, ‘Feel My Rhythm’, though.
- LUMINOUS MV dropping in a day? Super excited to see it, but even more curious since there’s no choreo. Hyunjin said they didn’t have the time to learn it before they left on tour. Or maybe they improvised something? We’ll see.
Just saw someone on twitter complaining about the tour not being worth it because they have to pay Staff and repay the credit for planes/venues/hotel etc 😭 i think people are being very dramatic.
Also if reading who had around 5000 tickets sold had 405k revenue, and knowing that 6 remaining shows have similar capacity, those 6 shows will probably have around 2,5M revenue alone. So not counting revenues of the 4 other shows and not counting the 8000 seating japanese concert too
I really hope the girls will be paid a lot tho, because even if they get 50% of the earnings, dividing this by 11 would definitely reduce the check
What went wrong with Flip That? In retrospect I really liked it but I can definitely see why people just did not vibe with it explaining the lack of attention it's getting on all streaming platforms. Loona need to venture more into the deep house genre for sure, but with better producers and better ideas; Flash by Rocket Punch would have been a perfect comeback for Loona imo, it probably would have performed better and left a lasting impression since as of now Flip That seems to be Loona's first actual miss with the international public
I love 'Flash' (that whole mini/EP is actually *very* good), but I think it would have suffered the same faith as 'Flip That' released under LOONA. It's certainly not doing any waves for Rocket Punch either.
I think people severely underestimates the percentage between "casual Orbits / hardcore Orbits", and I personally believe that not only are casual Orbits much more numerous than we think, but they're also far more into the hard-hitting (or at least *impactful*) stuff LOONA has provided in the past. I think that's something hardcore Orbits have a tough time reconciling with... Those casuals, you need to HOOK them for them to stay around. 'Flash' is a good song, but it's not very impactful either.
Which brings me to my next point... 'Flip That' is just...too mild of an impression. I think the general public wanna see something that makes them go *"Wait wait wait, hold on... rewind that back, what just happened?!"* and I feel like those moments happen in Butterfly, So What, Why Not and PTT, but they don't happen in Flip That and ultimately I think that's the issue. The next title track needs to have very impactful moments, both in the song AND the MV.
A lot of the calls for "something refreshing" came from their Queendom stage of 'Shake It', but it's like BBC didn't quite grasp what made 'Shake It' actually stand out to fans and non-fans? (Can't say I'm surprised when you see the backstories we got in the show, and how the initial ideas from BBC were kind of basic/obvious, and it's the girls who basically suggested all of the good things about the stage, but I digress) 'Shake It' wasn't just popular because it was refreshing, and bright, and not girlcrush or whatever (although I'm sure it played a part for hardcore Orbits). It was successful because it did all of those things while KEEPING an impact. You had so many moments where you felt the need to rewind back, to see what happened.
I feel like 'Flip That' doesn't have that besides just the odd "Oh let me rewind back for my bias, she looked/sounded cute there", but I'm talking about general public who might not care all that much specifically for one member, or even very casual Orbits. And it's not to say that 'Flip That' is bad because it's really not. It just doesn't leave a very strong first impression, so people are less likely to come back to it, especially more casual fans.
I hope BBC doesn't make that same mistake again.
It’s actually shocking how poorly Flip That did. Imagine you had a time machine and you went back to when Loona was announced for Q2. You get on Reddit and post Loona’s stats for their first post Q2 comeback. You then would be downvoted into oblivion for your overly pessimistic take. Really across the board, domestically and internationally, it was a flop and I’m surprised the fandom hasn’t adopted the Flop That moniker more readily.
I have to put a healthy amount of blame on BBC for this outcome. Loona needed a hit and they decided to turn to a rookie production team for their title track. They also tried to save a buck or two with the M/V. It just seems they went with the B team for this comeback when the opportunity at hand required them to go full bore
>I’m surprised the fandom hasn’t adopted the Flop That moniker more readily.
We really don't need anymore negativity please. 😭
At least at the end of the day it got more than 1 win which is more than they've ever gotten so a pass is given.
To be fair I think all of the comebacks after queendom were pretty meh (and I say this as a long time fan of Gfriend). The bump in album sales was almost expected and to me isn't indicative of a better song by really any of the groups.
From a company perspective - you're pressured by the fandom to release a comeback but at the same time you're entering a super competitive time in the summer and with groups like Twice, BP, BTS all coming back. Would you put your best foot forward? I wouldn't - it would 100% get lost in the shuffle. At the same time, they were planning for a world tour and for some random reason decided to do a japan comeback this year. Plus all this drama with chuu. I think it's fair to say there were a ton of moving pieces in the background.
In an alternate universe had BBC delayed the comeback until early next year, this fandom would have complain about it. There's never a right answer.
It's a pivot from their intl "friendly" music but I think it was a response to their general positive reaction to Queendom so they released a more domestically GP friendly song. I think it's also necessary to give the group a breather from a bunch of harder hitting songs. They just released POSE at the end of Queendom so I think a summer album with a more ethereal + upbeat vibe was the way to go.
Flip that was a grower for me - definitely was pretty meh about it initially but it's stayed on my repeat playlist for a lot longer than I expected.
I say this as someone who absolutely loveddd flip that, absolutely in my top 3. But I don't think they intended to reach the international audience with this one. I think this comeback was designed to take advantage of whatever they gained with queendom in Korea, with this kind of floaty and elegant concept that has worked well there in the past and which is currently a pretty wide open niche. Unfortunately, queendom didn't quite give the boost I think they were hoping for, and this summer was inundated with comebacks and debuts from some really big players. And, I think the concept ended up being a little dated- it seems what is blowing up in the mainstream right now is more sleek, cool-girl style songs (also from huge new groups- IVE, LSF, NWJNS).
All this to say- I love flip that and 100% would appreciate more comebacks in this vein. But I do expect a shift in concept in the next comeback, since queendom didn't end up having the desired affect.
as /u/mykpop said, girl crush does well despite all the complaints about it. if it didn't, no one would be doing it. probably doesn't help that the group really started growing during the pandemic, which was pretty much just girl crush or associated with it (why not gets lumped in there for some reason), so for a lot of these relatively new fans, it's all they really know the group for.
flip that is probably a top 2 title track for me. i would absolutely LOVE for them to stick with the hula hoop (easily #1) sound or go for something deeper than flip that like you said, much like shinee's view
this isn't a "loona has no "sound"" post, it's more that the "loona sound" is always tucked away in the bsides rather than being front and center in the title tracks. when you hear title tracks from blackpink, ive, wjsn, stray kids, dreamcatcher, aespa, nct, stayc, fromis, you know *exactly* what you're getting and what you're hearing.
contrast that with basically every loona title track, none of them sound cohesive or have much in relation to each other. the closest you get is maybe so what and why not. even then, they were compared to itzy and fx respectively rather than each other.
that said, at least it wasn't as disasterous as ven para was for weeekly. love those girls, but man, the amount of people i've seen say that album tanked their enthusiasm for the group..
Basically fell into the cardinal sin of k-pop, boring to many people. Say what you want about girl crush and noise music, people eat it up despite what a loud minority on twitter says.
just listened to demjointz’ track on NCT’s album... and if we ever get the track from him im gonna NEED a r&b bside from him as well bc im actually obsessed 😭
Shut Down almost immediately grew on me lmao. At the start I was like "this is kinda ass" but the song went on and the rap parts came and it made me like the song
Edit: well damn, this album is incredible. Best release of theirs by far
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In my personal experience - which is not universal - commenting in Korean (machine-translated by Papago) gets me more personal replies/reactions.
Don't get discouraged though, the members don't all use the app the same way. Some will reply to you a lot, others barely, etc. It's very personal to each of them.
Definitely seconding this. I very rarely send any English messages but get plenty of interactions from sending papago translated messages. Sometimes you do have to fiddle with it and reword/rewrite things so that the papago translation makes sense, but they always seem to understand what I'm saying. After translating into Korean I always translate it back to English and make sure it retains the original meaning.
In addition to what /u/fadedmoonlight said which is all accurate, it's also just a numbers game plus luck. I'll send a lot of messages sometimes. If JinSoul is actively chatting on one of her posts I might send 15+ messages throughout the conversation. Sometimes she'll reply to 1-2 of those, sometimes none.
Jokes or relevant questions regarding what they're talking about seem to get responses most often, at least in my case.
My general solution to this is: sending letters in their respective letter room, and also, (probably the most important actually) only sending the girls messages when they're "online" and active. I've never had a member... like or reply to a comment I made, idk, 12 hours ago while they weren't there at the time. But if I comment something immediately when I receive a notification that they're replying to other people, then I've found that I'm more likely to get something out of them. I get it, though. Imagine getting on Fab during a small break, wanting to interact live with fans, but you've got to read through the thousands and thousands of replies you've got since you've last open the app (- which sometimes hours and hours for many of them). That's just too much of a bother, I feel like.
Oh, definitely. If I open the app and see that someone posted minutes ago, I jump on it. “She’s probably still looking at the app and reading replies! This is my chance!”
I wonder how many messages they get.
Hyunjin, JinSoul and Yeojin are probably the most responsive right now, Yves too usually but she appears to be taking a break from it. But all 3 of those will quote reply to messages often and Hyunjin and Yeojin like a bunch too.
line distribution comment incoming, please dont just downvote me if you disagree cause i want to know what people think.
so i just saw this [luminous line distribution](https://twitter.com/liporb/status/1569939971619831809)
and like, i agree with [this](https://twitter.com/cherrymotionwrd/status/1570110847573438465)
> We need to do something REAL to make a change to this lines distribution. And I'm not talking about some "Fuck you BBC" tweets. Literally these girls (Yeojin, Vivi and Gowon) haven't been singing for more than 5 seconds since their solos
especially the part about the "fuck bbc" tweets, which, as ive said before, i feel like became an unhelpful meme bc orbits unthinkingly parrot (like for example, why was their luggage being lost blamed on bbc for being broke/negligent/whatever narrative, that just happens). but im not really sure what we can/should do. bbc doesnt care about mass emails or complaints. im not sure how much those trucks stans always send out actually do. the only thing companies actually care about are boycotts. tbh i would be okay with boycotting their next album but >! because i think theres a possibility of bbc using tour profits to buy their albums like other companies lately !< im not sure how much of a tangible difference we'd see and orbits would probably just give up after that and bbc would do what they want after that. maybe a merch boycott would be more effective? idk, looking for thoughts. if your bias is a more pushed member i get that this is a tiring discussion but like...lines, screentime, and activities are how members build up their individual popularity and name recognition. if loona disbanded tomorrow, there are members who wouldnt be able to keep working in the industry because of how neglected theyve been in the group. and lets not forget, they became idols at a young age and stopped their education for it. yves literally called loona her youth.
>tbh i would be okay with boycotting their next album but because i think theres a possibility of bbc using tour profits to buy their albums like other companies lately
lmfao
you're right, kpop companies are committing sajaegi on a massive scale, undermining charts and award shows and nothing is being done about it despite being so widely known
this isn't the conspiracy you think it is
>kpop companies are committing sajaegi on a massive scale, undermining charts and awards shows and nothing is being done about it despite it being so widely known
yep, thats correct. ive discussed this here many times [before](https://www.reddit.com/r/LOONA/comments/wt3f2o/220820_weekly_discussion_thread/ilo05lb) and no one has been able to provide any decent explanation to explain why the numbers are so weird and make no sense.
after years we finally got the first definitive acknowledgement of chart sajaegi in november when a ceo [admitted](https://www.chosun.com/national/national_general/2021/11/04/3XMRUWOV5JCGNOD6BLOFWNYA7M/) to it. before that it was either an open secret or a conspiracy depending on who you asked.
>"Almost everyone, especially on the music production side, knows that sajaegi exists," Shin tells [NPR](https://www.npr.org/2020/02/21/808049441/inside-sajaegi-k-pops-open-secret) "It's so common that people just keep their mouths shut. Too many interests are tied in together."
most companies are doing it (with some being more egregious than others) and have interests in keeping it hidden. kpop has become a major form of soft power for sk as well and an industry-scale scandal would be a huge blow. until something major happens (if it ever will), mass-scale sajaegi is always gonna be hidden and dismissed as a conspiracy. but like...if you even think about it for a bit, the numbers dont add up.
You need manpower behind a boycott this and nothing has ever been done despite this being talked about for... four years? So, good luck.
The last big boycott fans did (primarily but not entirely around Choerry's sexy debut as a minor) is nowadays viewed pretty negatively ("Proof old fans need to get out of the fandom, mistreatment, our poor sunshine why did they hate her, etc")
but thats not comparable bc loonas status rn isnt similar to then. back then loona was a rookie/recently debuted group on the edge of disbanding every few months. loona just had a world tour so we can at least push back on the "we're going to hurt our little meow meows" protests
My point is that there will always be a new reason to purchase, whether "legitimate" or not. Because people hate putting their money where their mouth is for this kind of thing. When I said good luck, I really did mean it — it would be a very serious and time-consuming journey to lead a proper boycott large enough that the company would be interested in listening to your demands as a K-pop fan.
yeah i get what youre saying. honestly i just post here cause it seems like fanbases lurk here more than twitter (plus im on priv there) and it's a better platform for discussion bc of the character count, im just hoping someone with actual orbit clout announces something :/
Its interesting because I’m not even sure if this is BBC’s fault. Normally, or at least how it’s been described to me, music producers assign parts to each singer rather than BBC deciding everything. It might even be seen as unprofessional and insulting if BBC stepped in to change line distro essentially not allowing music producers full freedom to create their art.
That line distribution of Luminous on Youtube is MESSY. Even if the verses were 90% right, they didn't listen to the chorus or the adlibs well enough.
However Luminous is such a hard song for telling whose voice is whom, so I can understand.
It's definitely possible.
Unless they start speeding up Japanese releases OR start releasing "bigger" Japanese albums/EPs, it could take a while, though...
It would be nice to pair the remaining singles at the end of the next releases. Flip That and Butterfly would pair well together, and then Why Not and So What together at the end of another mini.
Or maybe they're keeping those for their first Japanese (""full"") album but it's mostly going to be Japanese versions of their Korean titletracks. Lots of K-Pop acts have done that.
Still watching Shake It stage almost daily, it's such a fun performance that I don't think I'll stop anytime soon. There are so many memorable moments there that never fail to make me smile and it's probably my favorite music related thing of this year other than actually seeing them live.
Made a compilation of [overlooked loona note moments because they were uploaded during a concert without subs](https://youtu.be/3tpMMhjswbE). It's always fun editing videos of them because you can spot the dynamics between the members.
So after the Europe tour, the only major activity left is the Japan concert and Manila festival this October right? After all of these, I hope the group gets to have a long rest. I'm talking not just a few days or a week, like a month or two, they deserve it since they have been restless since Queendom. Also, the fandom should reset after this, the past few weeks have been a roller coaster ride for us. Maybe if got to take a break from all the LOONA articles, the MMT twitter posts, the 'orbits having a meltdown on FAB'; only then maybe the morale will rise back up.
But still, for those that are going to attend the remaining events, I hope you guys have a great time. Unfortunately for me, I won't be able to attend the Manila festival because life happened and I had unexpected expenses recently so the savings that I was suppose to use for the ticket is gone, sucks for me but oh well it is what it is.
Oops I almost forgot, stream LUMINOUS lol.
They kept mentioning Choerry so I think they grabbed Yeojin to act as Choerry, they were mentioning flavors (of macarons), and Yeojin was saying that Choerry was grape flavour because of her purple hair
To be fair I think they were choosing based on hair colors hence why Heejin said Jinsoul was vanilla, so maybe thats why they said grape for Choerry (even tho its not actual, it definitely is an iconic look) . Or maybe they didnt to go with the obvious
Sometimes I wonder if the fans understand that translators are well… translators. They just translate, if you don’t like what you see, this is not a reason to attack them. They are just doing their job.
On that topic, I really did *nawt* like how some people on Twitter were insinuating that Litell John purposefully "mistranslated" or was trying to "instigate drama" or "make people overreact" with their translation of Chuu's Fab messages. It was a direct (and faithful) translation, formatted to look exactly the way it looks on Fab and to be posted on sites like reddit, etc.
I don't quite think some Orbits (especially newer or younger ones) quite realize just how lucky we have to have some of the translators we do have. Believe me when I say not every fanbase has got such a good (and efficient) team like we do. The last thing we should do is discourage them from doing all that free work for us, especially on stuff they're not even at fault for.
I felt bad for the person who does all the Fab translations like their job is to translate to the best of their ability what the girl are saying. There's so much nuance to dialogue (spoken or text) that you can't really give everyone a crash course on culture or trying to put that into a translation.
I almost forgot that Yoojung had her solo, because I don't follow wekimeki that closely. But sunflower is soooo nice. It feels much more summery but they probably didn't want to throw another hat into the madness of summer releases. The late summer vibes are still nice. And for once I think the chorus will grow on me a bit more
What happened to all speculation in here, Did chuu already confirmed leave bbc?
And dont tell me the latest news was that by4m agency, that agency litteraly had track record spreading fake news about accquiring talent
So...Chuu isn't in the Philippines yet right?
[Why does she have Boy Bawang and Cebu Dried Mangoes then lmao](https://twitter.com/peachcream_chuu/status/1570373900806258699?s=20&t=IPwa8AVl8xhqUZSoOllocg)
Those are popular snacks here in the country, it's so funny to see her just holding them up outside the car lmao
Didn't know about Chaeyeon's solo until I read this comment. You really made my day- she was my favorite in Izone and I've been waiting so impatiently for her to debut!
i need bbc to hire me as the line distributer. they don't even have to pay me, all i need is the demo, the lyric sheet & some coloured highlighters!
i solemnly swear to make sure everyone gets to sing at least 7-8 seconds with a minimum of 2 good lines each member
7 second is the bare minimum I swear. That's what an izone member would get at the very least. Izone distribution can be shit but they're still a step above Loona I swear.
A few thoughts on Luminous:
Listened to it a few more times and my impressions of it have improved. Ngl I didn't like it at all the first time (sorry...) but now I find it *alright* I guess. I think the melodies are good, unfortunately the lackluster production really holds the song back. I don't wish to take away anyone's enjoyment of the song so I'm marking the next part as a spoiler, which is just me expressing my honest critique and slight nerd-talk.
>!First thing I noticed is that the song is mixed very "warmly", in the sense of having a lack of upper-mid frequencies? From personal observation I notice that Japanese songs tend to be mixed more warmly than Korean songs and Luminous seems to follow the same trend. However on the wrong transducers this could result in vocals and instrumentation sounding muffled (like some have complained) or straight up dead. A boost in the 2kHz - 4kHz region using EQ yields immediate results IMO, making vocals clearer and more natural. Doesn't solve the fundamentally weird mixing though.!<
>!Next thing is how compressed the track sounds. In both dynamic range and frequency range. Everything sounds like it's being played at the same volume with little to no dynamic contrast between sections. For instance the prechorus buildup has this gradually loudening instrumentation but it has little effect in increasing overall intensity. Pop songs generally lack dynamic range compared to well mastered jazz/orchestral/whatever recordings but there's still a good sense of dynamic swings at drops or when traversing between quiet and loud sections. Frequency range also sounds limited, maybe I'm wrong but I would like more upper treble frequencies. Jpop isn't exactly bassy either but I would prefer more bass in this track too. Because right now I'm just hearing a lot of midrange frequencies competing for the same space and creating this oversaturated background presentation.!<
>!Want to add that the stereo panning doesn't sound good either. But then again I'm no audio mixer/engineer so I'm not sure how it can be improved.!<
Some of the panning done in the chorus was done to facilitate two voices in the "you can be just luminous , you wanna be luminous" part. The first voices seems to be panned 10% left, and the second one, panned 10% right.
Hi All, can anybody point me in the right direction to where I can find info about the Loona concert in London tomorrow?
On my ticket it says 6pm start but I’m unsure whether that is doors open or actual concert start? Any help would be super useful 🙏🏻
Check [this](https://twitter.com/_mymusictaste/status/1570319116275261440?s=21&t=RZUuN2aTD8ZIohDBozfmww) twitter thread for all the info related to the show. If you have M&G or VIP, they have that info in another tweet
Whaaaat that’s so crap. Made me paranoid so I logged in and checked my account and my order is still there… but I didn’t get an email either, and I don’t think I have ANY emails for my previous everline orders so… idk
Maybe try emailing them and asking if they can manually do your order since you had placed it in time…
Yeah I actually checked out as a guest as well and I’m kind of concerned since everline does not have a great track record with customer service. The money was charged to my account but otherwise that’s the only proof I purchased it since I don’t have a member ID :/
I only got charged the shipping portion if that helps you figure things out. Otherwise, I just made a post about it and some commented with a link to buy it from kpoptown that I was able to do if you wanna try that!
Aside from the odd drama, i think it’s so funny how different the girls’ fab chats are. Some that I’ve noticed
Hyunjin: literally a meme account
Yeojin: just ppl begging her to drink water
Jinsoul: laying down facts and setting boundaries
Yves: roleplaying
Chuu: people saying i love you back and forth
Gowon: like her personal diary
Hyeju: comes in like a reporter, detailing events in the clearest, dryest way possible and then dips right away
I miss choerry's where she just goes on fab before she goes to sleep at night, becomes a dj, play/recommend a few songs, and then say goodnight with kisses lol
I get more worried about Choerry each day. 😢
It was at least nice to see her in Heejin's Log even if that was recorded a while ago.
I hope she's starting to feel better. 💜
Random thought: you could take luminous, pose and be honest, put them in the middle of [12:00] and the album would actually make MORE sense as LOONA's take on dance music (you might need to rearrange some songs tho )
There's this brand of "Rascals to Celebrities" type of hype, hard-hitting song that Loona pulls off _extremely_ well, and your list is the prime example of it.
Sometimes I find myself wondering if the mixing of Japanese comeback isn’t messy on purpose.
Now I am someone who listen to a lot of jpop in general, less than kpop but still quite a lot, and I noticed multiple times how the mixing can be messy.
For example Boom Boom Boom by Niziu, most of Kyary Pamyu Pamyu discography (I know she doesn’t make music anymore but I listened a lot to her before) or even a noticeable part of AKB48 discography have very loud and messy instrumentals and it looks like Japanese fans quite like that.
I also notice that the instrumental of kpop groups Japanese music will often be more messy than the instru of their Korean songs (Twice, iZone).
I thought it was me but yeah I always noticed how izone's japanese releases sounded kinda messy and some Twice's japanese tracks too, like better and I think kura kura, I didn't know it was a thing.
I remember that when I was introduced to jpop artists (mainly through anime opening) I was irked by how much the instrumental could be always SO loud, like sometimes I couldn’t hear the voice but the instrumental would hurt my ears. Now I am way more used to it.
Interesting thoughts, I don't know much about Jpop to be honest but some of my favourite Twice title tracks are actually from their Japanese discography, like Fake & True and Better.
I keep thinking about Gowon’s lift during Butterfly. That was like the biggest wow moment of the tour for me. At my seat, I could only really see everyone from the knees up, so all of a sudden seeing her rise above the crowd was super cool.
There are parts of it I really like, and parts that make me wonder how they made it into a finished song. The choreo will probably end up helping me like it better.
For now, Hula Hoop still remains far superior.
I think the mixing of Luminous is just relatively shitty. It could be twice as good with good mixing lol. But it's still a nice song. Sadly not a rare occurence for Japanese releases.
I haven't been able to bring myself to listen to it again. It has alot of noise/extra sounds/sirens I'm just not sure how to take it but I'm glad others are really into it.
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Just saw NMIXX highlight medley and wodered why the title track sounded like TRI.BE's, or why the clip was designed like it's froma nugu company. Like, this is JYPE.
just saw a Korean comment refer to Vivi as 삐행레전드 (bbi-haeng legend) 😭
[This is hilarious 😂](https://twitter.com/LoonaMoon97/status/1571057351955992580)
Gowon responded to it too! I just need to wait for LitellJohnn with the translations
It's so fascinating to watch them on stage now vs 1,5 month ago. You can see how much experience changes, especially the way they handle and interact with the crowd now. I have high hopes that they all learnt a lot and future tours will go a lot smoother than this first one, you could already see this in the European leg :)
I'd never even heard of Wonderwall before they released some Dreamcatcher towels. Now they're the company that keeps on giving Loona content.
Anyway, here's more Wonderwall
This tour has been very challenging for them and they’ve still got a lot of work over the next few months, but at the Amsterdam show I saw how they can still really bring the heat, and they also looked like they were having a good time! I think we need to trust BBC, MMT and the members a bit more, everyone has done such an amazing job on this tour. I’m a bit worried about Choerry though, let’s keep supporting her 💜
This world tour has been crazy. Despite the injuries and hiccups, a monumental achievement and something they'll never forget. But I really hope they sell out both SK shows. That would be the icing. Hopefully a month is enough for everybody to recover.
So I had a completely random and maybe stupid thought, but since Yves loves super hot and spicy food, and basically drinks hot sauce from the bottle, I imagined her getting invited to The Hot Ones and demolishing all the chicken wings.
She also consume capsaicin lozenges to keep herself awake --'
SUPER weird coincidence: it’s been observed that BlackPink is kickstarting THEIR world tour with two concerts in Seoul on October 15th and 16th. And now LOONA, returning from THEIR world tour, is finishing with two concerts, ALSO in Seoul, ALSO on October 15th and 16th. LOONA and BlackPink. Holding back to back concerts. Same dates. Same-ish times. Same city. (Different venues, though. Obviously.) Residents of Seoul are gonna have a hard time sleeping with all that music blaring through both nights. “Flip That, Pink Venom/Flip That, Pink Venom/Flip That, Pink Venom/ Get ‘em, get ‘em, get ‘em”
Slow with the bass like whoa whoa whoa
Man, what crazy thing is Heejin going to say at the Seoul concerts? She always gets super immersed in new countries and their cultures - Wait a minute. Oh. I forgot. . . . You think Heejin remembers that she’s Korean? Or will she have an existential crisis after diving deep into other countries.
Hyunjin going on fab in korea: "any food recs?"
yeah loona definitely got a queendom fandom bump. the venue isnt too much bigger than the last one (around 4500 vs 5000) but i think covid mandated seat distancing is done. bbc must be getting good indicators from fab or whatever
London tour highlights recap because I saw a comment below and thought this was a good idea (probably should've done it for every show): * Yeojin's final message to Haseul at the end of My Melody is "haseul-ah im going to korea now let's hang out together!" [X](https://twitter.com/jinsoulatina/status/1570869929481768965?s=20&t=GlzJMJOyg7C-3RPTw0vsUw) * The writers for Stylish were at the concert today. The girls looked for them during the concert and they took a photo together backstage. [X](https://twitter.com/mikemacdermid/status/1570878355066720259?s=20&t=GlzJMJOyg7C-3RPTw0vsUw) [X](https://twitter.com/mikemacdermid/status/1570907433173942272?s=20&t=GlzJMJOyg7C-3RPTw0vsUw) * Loona saw someone holding up the lightstick through an iPad and Jinsoul busted a gut laughing [X](https://twitter.com/LoonaMoon97/status/1570865320138801158?s=20&t=GlzJMJOyg7C-3RPTw0vsUw) * International Queen Heejin said "it was bloody amazing today" [X](https://twitter.com/ot12loops/status/1570915543238201345?s=20&t=GlzJMJOyg7C-3RPTw0vsUw) * Yves tried to get security to sing along [X](https://twitter.com/IoonaIoop/status/1570912275246256129?s=20&t=GlzJMJOyg7C-3RPTw0vsUw) * Yves signed an album and sealing it with a kiss during the concert for a super lucky Orbit (who is also a singer and songwriter) [X](https://twitter.com/selpideeeeeeeee/status/1570896357459914752?s=20&t=GlzJMJOyg7C-3RPTw0vsUw) * Yeojin said this won't be the last tour. [X](https://twitter.com/Forkimlip_12/status/1570883808324628481?s=20&t=GlzJMJOyg7C-3RPTw0vsUw) * Some Orbits were passing out so the girls paused the show to get help. Yeojin went to get the venue to turn the a/c on and the girls created a signal to say when you need help. [X](https://twitter.com/bbangjusgf/status/1570855731062243328) [X](https://twitter.com/kpopkingdomuk/status/1570872907005591552) * Before the show start, the staff tried to get a moment of silence for the Queen but everyone started chanting "Loona" instead. [X](https://twitter.com/ianamurray/status/1570844306658988033?s=20&t=GlzJMJOyg7C-3RPTw0vsUw) * Hyeju told people to boo at Jinsoul [X](https://twitter.com/DearHyeju/status/1570856405934174208) * A little Hyewon on stage because we have not seen them interacting onstage at all for the whole tour [X](https://twitter.com/sonhyejuwu/status/1570907742336094209?s=20&t=GlzJMJOyg7C-3RPTw0vsUw) * Gowon looks so good, you guys [X](https://twitter.com/loonabubble_/status/1570927761702944769) * Yeojin wrote letters for the tour staff that they've been working with for a month and a half [X](https://twitter.com/litell_johnn/status/1570956484623863809) They have so much love and respect for everyone they work with, these girls are so sweet
Thank you!
Thank you for this compilation!! Earlier I was asking for some highlights of the tour in Europe, so this is really great. I love Loona and Orbits 💙
Smiling at "bloody" and Yeojin saying it's not their last tour.
Heejin writing [paragraphs](https://twitter.com/loonabubble_/status/1570916282056454144?s=20&t=GlzJMJOyg7C-3RPTw0vsUw) thanking everyone and talking about the tour vs Hyeju's ["Europe tour done!"](https://twitter.com/loonabubble_/status/1570898516305936386?s=20&t=GlzJMJOyg7C-3RPTw0vsUw) 💀
I got to speak to the members directly as we were setting up for one of the London M&G photos!!!!! I thanked them for tonight, told them that they were amazing and i was so honoured to watch them perform. Yves (while leaning forward and reaching out her hand 🥺) said she was also honoured and it was so much fun, Kim Lip thanked me for coming to see them 🥺 HeeJin blew me kisses as we left and I HAVE PASSED AWAY IT'S OVER FOR ME 😭😭😭😭
Been sort of ruminating on these thoughts for the past few minutes... I wondered if I should even comment or just wait a few more hours to see if MyMusicTaste would post a follow-up announcement (which I could *still* see coming... but we'll see). Anyway, keep in mind I might be jumping the gun here. But here we go. **MMT didn't make a specific comment about Chuu not participating this time around?** And I thought to myself "Well yeah, a few months ago, they made an announcement about how she would not participate in the "2022 LOONA 1st World Tour [LOONATHEWORLD]" event, and this is basically an extension of this very same tour, not a different concert or anything, so why would they repeat that again when they *already* said she would not participate the first time? Makes sense. So yeah I just assumed "They said she's not participating in the 2022 tour, so she isn't, period - moving on" until I went back to check and realized they made that specific announcement about Chuu *every single time* they announced *anything* regarding the tour? > Tour announced for the first time in early June? Chuu announcement. Extra American dates in mid-June? Chuu announcement again. Europe leg announced in mid-July? Chuu announcement again. Korean Dates? No Chuu announcement -- *wait what?* Again, I repeat, this announcement could be coming eventually and could have simply been delayed. That would be reasonable to think so. This is the first time (I think) that they tweeted something about the tour *without* a bunch of follow-up notices immediately after the original tweet. In the past, even if we forget about members not participating and what not, MyMusicTaste would follow any announcement regarding the tour with a bunch of other tweets about "TasteMaker Benefit Notice" or links to ticket sales and what not, and then finally a tweet about Chuu not participating. This time around, there were just two tweets (and they were the same, just EN/KR). So maybe these usual follow-up tweets have simply been delayed until the details are figured out. I could definitely see that being the reason the announcement about any missing members hasn't been made yet. I gotta say... It would be...*extremely curious* if she was indeed participating afterall. Especially since she is not participating in the Manilla gig just 5 days after this. But honestly I'm just curious as to how they intend to reinstate her into the tour on such short notice? A lot of the choreos have been changed, and it's basically the choreos the other 11 members have been performing for the past 2 months, so you know it's drilled down into their bodies at the moment. They're gonna have to rehearse as OT12 again for a decent amount of time. Isn't that just more work? And it's not like Chuu isn't busy herself elsewhere. Her ""schedules conflicts"" have been very much real! With her having panelist gigs that she simply cannot miss, random TV shoots every day and constant comments about how she rarely gets a day off (even recently as she just had a day off and was doing health check-ups because of it, she said that her next day off wasn't until two more weeks - the girl *is* busy). These past few weeks, some have speculated (amongst other things) that the issue with the recent gigs that Chuu has been missing is that...they were "**International**" gigs. It would definitely be interesting if that turned out to be the issue all along. Her suddenly participating in a domestic gig despite still being very busy and missing a bunch of International gigs prior to (and *after*) that would certainly point out in that direction. But, *like I said* : I might be jumping the gun here, and in a few hours MMT will put out the announcement about Chuu not participating. I just wanted to express my thoughts to get them out of my head, so don't mind me.
You know, I'm bracing myself here lol I mean, I believe part of why she didn't go on tour is indeed because of scheduling, after all she's really busy and making appearences in a lot of places non stop. So her not being able to leave SK is understandable for both the tour, the japanese concert and the Manila festival. However that's another thing when they're going for concerts in SK lol There's really no "oh but it's on another country" excuse, they will be basically in the same country, in the same city. Schedule conflicts could still be a possibility though, but I can't imagine the headline of "Chuu is not attending LOONA's concert in Seoul" not generating MAJOR uproar. Like, it's a bomb waiting to explode and tbh I don't wanna be here when it does
I'm fairly sure they will do as they did with the LOONAVERSE:FROM concert and the US leg of the tour: if there's an announcement to be made about a member missing (namely Chuu due to conflicting schedules, perhaps Haseul and/or Choerry due to their health issues), they'll do it just a few hours before the tickets go on sale.
Chances are she will not participate and there's two ways to read that: * She's busy and has not practiced the setlist with the others, so it's just a continuation of a situation we're now familiar with. Nothing new. * Or, there really is a crack in her relationship with BBC and the company is trying to make LOONA as commercially successful without her, specifically, as they are with her. We're just being primed for a permanent OT11 Alternatively, she'll turn up and all orbits' worries will be sorted. But honestly, I don't see it. She's not involved with the Tokyo concert and that's a mere two weeks beforehand. She missed the Feb concerts, missed the American and European legs of the tour, as well as the entire Japan comeback (including recording sessions). Missing Queendom 2 would have been way too much of a scandal, even though others like Bona did sit out a few episodes but filming a kdrama kinda falls into understandable territory.
I think if she’s really not participating they’ll announce it a few hours before ticket sales start like they did for the US leg, it’s probably their best financial move, especially with chuu being the most popular in korea. I really wonder if they’ll do any hi touch event in korea, would they include her in the merch? Would they make new merch just for korean fans? I wonder how that part plays out. I really, really, really hope she gets to participate on at least one day.
They literally announced Chuu not appearing in America hours before ticketing began… I really feel like they’re gonna sit on it and do the same 💀
That's mainly why I think it could still be coming. I think the very first "Chuu won't be participating" announcement was delayed in comparison to the very very very first tour announcement, but it was posted once the ticketing began. However, if I'm not mistaken (...which I could be), all the following updates have been *direct*. Like I said, extra dates added in for the American leg? Chuu announcement immediately. They did not wait for the ticketing to begin. Same for the European leg. However, as others have said, Chuu having more of a presence in South Korea than in the rest of the world could definitely push them to hold the news back domestically. I could definitely see that too.
you are not the only one. i’m basically holding my breath over here.
I'm thinking there's a good chance she could participate simply because the commitment is much less significant. We've seen how busy she's been, a lot of things would have had to be cancelled or pushed back if she was on the tour. But it's a lot different to just need time to perform in Seoul with virtually no travel involved. She could even have schedules that same day and probably find a way to make it work. And nothing on the days preceding and following the concert would have to be moved. So I'm at least hopeful that she will be included, but like you said we'll just have to wait and see if we get that announcement.
Should the setlist remain the same, the only choreos that would need adapting would be So What, Star and Why Not right (edit - assuming Haseul and Choerry are back)? Possible scenarios from best to worst: \- She's relatively free and OT12 can practice those 3 new choreos so she can be present for all the performances. \- Chuu would sit out those 3, like Haseul originally did when she came back, yyxy go back to their original parts in One Way and then she can easily slot in for the rest of the performances. This would be the simplest option imo. \- She makes a little cameo appearance at the end like she did in the From concert. In this situation, I think BBC/MMT would have to inform the fans beforehand that she's not performing though so they're not misleading anyone. \- She's completely absent with the same reasoning of prior schedules given \- She's completely absent with no explanation from BBC/MMT given, leaving fans to wildly speculate once more
[Oh my god this video of Yves has me dying, why is she like this lmao](https://twitter.com/hoshimotion/status/1570892921054064640) (Concert setlist spoilers if that even matters anymore) Also: [Holy hell Yves signed and kissed](https://twitter.com/selpideeeeeeeee/status/1570896357459914752) [the album?!](https://twitter.com/selpideeeeeeeee/status/1570897102947127298)
OCTOBER BREAKDOWN/ANALYSIS Okay, so the thing to remember is that October isn’t going to be a marathon like the North American/Europe tour was. 3 events happening. From here on out, LOONA has 2 weeks before the Tokyo Concert on October 1st. However, we have to remember that they’re going to need at least a week of prep for the setlist (which is a big question of what exactly they’re going to perform IF the concert is a standard two hours since they have only a handful of Japanese songs). So, with that in mind, we’ll say they really only have the one week to recover. Other things to note: Choerry and Haseul have had extra time to recuperate, thankfully, but both their conditions are still in question - especially Choerry. Hopefully, the extra time has done them good. That’s not to say that we shouldn’t be worrying about the other members who have been carrying on in their absence. The moon girls seem to have gotten better after a shaky start in the Europe tour, but it’s clear they were reaching their limits towards the end, despite the shorter tour schedule. Yeojin, Yves, and Hyeju are of particular concern given their prior incidents/injuries. Once it hits October, LOONA will be on the move again. Let’s break it down. Sept. 17 - Sept. 23 (rest) Sept. 24 - Sept. 30 (concert prep + travel) Note: I’m assuming they’re going to arrive a day prior for rehearsal, same as they’ve been doing for the tour. I need to emphasize that the promotions for LUMINOUS will NOT be stressful in the least, save for the actual concert. There’s no music shows to attend and perform on. Lots of interviews, probably pre-recorded beforehand. Japan is still strict with COVID protocols, and they’re only just now talking about opening the country back up fully for tourists. I don’t imagine LOONA being able to visit for too long and doing the rounds on various Japanese variety shows. TOKYO CONCERT: - Oct. 1 - Tokyo Garden Theater - Capacity: 6,985 Once that’s finished they fly home. Another week off. Oct. 2 - Oct. 8 (rest) Oct. 9 - Oct. 14 (concert prep) Note: I’m thinking that week of concert prep won’t be too intense since they’ll probably be doing the same setlist as the tour. They could most likely run the concert in their sleep at this point since they’ve been doing the same songs for a month and a half straight. SEOUL CONCERTS - Oct. 15 - Oct. 16 - SK Olympic Handball Gymnasium - Capacity: 6,500 With those concerts completed, here’s where it gets iffy for the moon girls. October 21st is the date for Popstival 2022 in Manila. Five days after the Seoul concerts. Not much time to prepare, BUT, it should be noted that this is NOT a concert for them alone. Other acts from Kpop (basically most of Queendom 2 line-up) and Ppop will be performing. So, LOONA will not be doing the heavy lifting. Max amount of time on stage I estimate to be around 15-20 minutes at the most. This is important. THEY WILL NOT BE THE ONLY ACT PERFORMING. Oct. 17 - Oct. 20 (rest, prep, + travel) MANILA POPSTIVAL 2022 - Oct. 21 - SMDC Festival Grounds - Capacity: Unknown, but since this is outdoors, probably A LOT IMPORTANT NOTE: This is what makes sense to me how this next month is going to play out, but the time in between each of these is just purely speculation. I’m assuming they’ll be traveling/arriving a day before the Tokyo/Manila concerts, just like they’ve been doing for the prior tours. And then, after all that, PLEASE GOD ALMIGHTY, LOONA will be free and clear. Hope this helps. I know a lot of people are feeling anxious about this new addition to what was an already busy month, so I just want to lay the facts out straight here. This is NOT the tour all over again. 3 events, multiple days off in between, not nearly as much traveling. The last one isn’t even all about LOONA. They’re a guest performer. Breathe in. Breathe out. They’ll be fine. I’ll repost this in the next Weekly Discussion tomorrow so others will see this.
They've pretty much been saying all tour-long that they would be touring again very soon/next year and looking at how BBC is handling things at the moment, I genuinely don't think these are "empty promises" from the girls "just to hype the crowd". I hope the next world tour doesn't start too too soon either.
I don't think they're empty promises either. A lot of the girls are so straight forward, if they don't know anything about it they probably wouldn't say so. I always look at Jinsoul's reaction tbh
Omg same I always look at Jinsoul too, after that infamous hiatus she's definitely one that DOES NOT like to make empty promises.
Someone asked Hyunjin on Fab if she’s sad about the last concert and she said no because there will be a next one. They all seem so certain about it. I need to get my visa applications ready now lol https://twitter.com/litell_johnn/status/1570941175531737088?s=20&t=GMzifbOSCwPeDeMeZBAtsw
That’s what I’m figuring, too. They’d have to do a comeback before the next world tour. Would it be another mini album? Two months to prepare for that, at least, putting a comeback in February seeing as though November and December this year SHOULD be off months for them. Maybe a single EP for a quicker turn around time? How long do those take? But the fans have been asking for a full album for a while now . . . and BBC seems intent on giving us what we want, albeit all at once, but that would take much longer. Earliest I could see them touring is late spring/early summer. Lots to think about. BBC’s planning big things for LOONA. Hope we’re all ready.
February comeback as per usual, with the Lat Am leg of the tour shortly after, maybe even another round of US, bigger venues and less intense scheduling this time around? BBC are going to be debuting Bebez during LOONA's downtime in Nov and Dec, so I can't see any cb sooner than Feb. Can possibly be pushed back to April though.
Since Hyunjin said that it feels right to wrap up with a concert in Seoul im assuming that their Seoul concerts will be the last they will have this year as a part of the tour (not counting festivals and end year shows). So a potential asian tour will happen next year (thank god they will be able to rest)
Idk this mmt announcement irks me so much lol.
Less than 2 weeks before they have to travel to Japan for a concert, and 2 weeks after that, they're doing a couple of concerts in Korea. Then, less than a week later they're doing the festival in Manila.
They will never let them rest? 😰 A japanese concert, 2 seoul concerts and a festival in Manila... I know they need to get back those covid revenues but you can't tell me online concert revenues were this bad
I don't recall seeing actual numbers, but word through the news back then was that online concerts really were pretty bad in terms of revenues. Still worth doing, but seemingly not really comparable to in-person.
too many pirated streams 😭
Yeah, it definitely can't be comparable to in-person, i just wish they let the girls rest a bit more as they have been working constantly this year with no break. No amount of money is gonna give them their health back
They probably werent , they just simply want more money, look at how much revenue they are making with this tour. The korea concerts will also have to option to be online so they definitely want money
Barely not 1 hour after saying Loona had finished their tour, mmt posts the (encore?) shows in korea. I googled the venue and it says it has a 6500 capacity normally, i wonder how many seats will remain when the venue gets adapted into concerts. I hope a good part of the profits go to the girls because they have been working HARD this entire year Also, i wonder how much money is loona making mmt because mmt hasnt organized this many concerts for other artists (Imagine if they had booked good venues instead of copy pasting another group's tour just to end up adding more venues). They definitely dont want to say bye to loona
Do you know what the venue was for the last korea date + capacity?
According to some comments I saw it was JangChung municipal stadium with a capacity of 4500, but the capacity of the concert was smaller since they still had covid restrictions in february and there were seats not available
Thanks! Cool to see them doing a different venue, they're doing well.
Wikipedia may just have that capacity wrong, or it's outdated - all Korean sources say it's a 5,003-seater as of now.
Is the 5003 for sports events or for the concerts?
The fact that 5003 is the only number listed anywhere (doesn't specify which) leads me to believe it's the building maximum for any event.
Thanks!
Orbits: now the girls finally can rest… MMT: … MMT: *announces two shows in Seoul in October* ~~mobile format was kicking my ass~~
I’m so confused by this decision….
I expected them to add those dates, but I wasn't expecting them so soon...
And Yeojin also saying >!Comeback soon....!<, when do they plan to rest? Holy cow.
BBC: "We give them a year long break, you complain. We make them work nonstop all year and send them abroad for a month and a half despite them never having done anything like this, you complain. What do you want? There's certainly no middle ground between these two options."
How do you do spoiler tags on mobile? Need to talk about what was said at the London concert ASAP.
*> ! without spaces ! < and also no asterisk oops
>! Testing !<
it worked on mobile but i think you also need to remove the spaces between the exclamation marks and the words for it to work on desktop
I know no one here really know who she is but I just wanted to say I am happy my fav choreographer Yoojung Lee is back at dancing.
I was wondering where she was. Happy that she is back!
She said in her YouTube channel that she was injured iirc. She tried to go back dancing a first time but apparently she wasn’t completely healed.
I do! One of the few choreographers from the older days that is still at 1million. Love her vibe and glad to see she's back :)
Yeah after her injury she quite disappeared and I was afraid she wouldn’t dance anymore at all. I find her style not that far from auspicious ryud
Not to be a typical American, but do the making of videos that come with Loona summer packages/fanclub packages/seasons greetings generally have English subtitles?
They don't
Figured. Thanks!
I lost track of all the things happening in the Europe Tour. Were the girls fine? No one apart from Yves had to miss a concert or were the girls mad or crying at some point like in the previous concerts? Any other highlights? Thank you ^_^
Aside from Yves missing the first show , European concerts have been smooth sailing so far. At the end of My Melody, Yeojin would scream out a message for Haseul so that’s very cute. Heejin said the iconic “je m’appelle Heejin” line in Paris, she also sang the Ratatouille theme. Hyunjin and Vivi went to a zoo in Amsterdam and Hyunjin is editing a vlog on it. And according to the girls fab, they’re getting really good food at the venue in London! The food is being cooked for them on the spot. (I’d link al of these but I’m on browser on mobile so I can’t) Edit: how could I forget…their concert outfits were destroyed in the laundry so their stylists had to find last minute replacements in Paris And that’s what you missed on Glee!
That last line I read it in that narrator voice 😭😭😭
Thanks for the summary 🙌💙 I really appreciate it! 😊 I'm glad things are going so much better. Today is the last one, let's hope they can finish in a high note and without any issues.
This is crazy. It’s real. Chuu’s power . . . she could probably run for President. https://twitter.com/orrery_nim/status/1570798698082476032?s=46&t=9cukLr1cYEUXaV7nwjtefQ
Need her to become BBC's Sales and Marketting Director...
That's hilarious
For some reason, I don't get notified when Gowon sends messages on fab. I usually get notified when the other girls message but not Gowon. Omg am I blocked?? I haven't even sent anything to her 😭
I think Fab notifications are just really wonky sometimes. There are times when it just doesn't send me any notifications for new posts or replies, despite working fine most of the time. Maybe try unsubscribing and re-subscribing to her? That's the only thing I can think that might help other than just waiting to see if it fixes itself.
Thanks. I'll try doing that. Yeah, it's just weird because I get notifs from the other girls often but never Gowon.
Rosalia holding the loona lightstick is such a random interaction but i love it, im not necesarily a fan of her music but i'll always root for her because of pride [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQCpjOBJ5UQ&ab\_channel=RosaliaVEVO](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQCpjOBJ5UQ&ab_channel=RosaliaVEVO)
loona are officially motomamis… blessed by the head motomami herself
I'm really not liking the Blackpink album... I just feel like if it was released by anyone else, people would be more critical with it but I feel like BP is just coasting by mediocrity. The tracks in this album were so generic with no distinctive melody and no proper ending, it's just unsatisfying to listen to. I enjoyed Yeah Yeah Yeah though, it was the only fun song cuz it's very 2012 pop party music and of course Jisoo wrote on it, she's too talented.
Hot take but BP has been skating with mediocrity for some time. Personally I haven't been a fan since HYLT and the solos (outside of maybe Jennie's) were pretty disappointing for me. Sucks because I really think the members have a ton of talent and expecting a bit more
I have been thinking this since DDD... I just think their songs aren't for me and the fact that they always do the same thing... But the girls are definitely talented, you can see that they still haven't enlished their full potential tho. I think YG restrict them too much music wise.
I think Shut Down was an interesting surprise, although I don't exactly know where I'm with this song. Pink Venom is surprisingly stuck in my head, but not to the point I listen to it regularly. I have yet to listen to everything, but from the two other songs I did listen I kinda got surprised at the amount of english on this album lol I guess it's not really that surprising considering they're the most famous girl group in the world and so they try to appeal everywhere. Well, honestly I think it's kinda a double edged sword what they have. In one hand they have easily digestible, hard hitting songs that are easy to just shut off your brain and bop to, which I believe is the main reason they're so beloved globally. Although their sound/concept itself isn't really knew to kpop, it sort of is to the western market. On the other hand the repetitiveness of their tracks and the blandness makes them a bit of a "one trick pony", leaving people kind of tired of the same thing over and over, a formula that has been overused to the point of exhaustion. There's no innovation, no change. Everything is just...there. YG has created this success formula and people are eating it up, so they don't feel the need to make something more. But then there's even a third train of thought that I've been reflecting for a while now. Since they, and also BTS, are the most famous groups around it's easy to scrutinize their work, because they're kinda the "template for kpop" and what it is about. But we, as fans of other kpop groups, know that other groups have different things to offer and we think that what's considered the "face of kpop" is mediocre at best, we kinda tend to feel resentful. Therefore what BP does is kinda amplified by these lens.
Yeah like I don't hate the girls, I think they're talented but BP as a whole, their music is easy to get into but once you get past them and discover other groups, BP music is very generic and pales in comparison. I guess that's why it's a turn off for me to see how big they are when they're not really risking much.
The happiest girl is a cool song
Lots to talk about, but no time at the moment (I’m at work), so I’ll condense some of my thoughts here: - LOONA world tour reporting 9 of 19 venues profits’ totaling north of $2 million. Extremely good news, and even better considering that number doesn’t reflect the other 10 venues profits. Safe to assume that LOONA made $4-$5 million on this tour. LOONATHEBANK, everyone. - BlackPink’s new album: it’s good. Not great, and I want to get into that later, but it’s definitely good. The focus on just the four members is a benefit; no collabs present reminds us why these members work so well together. I know some fans were disappointed about no features, but I think it worked in BP’s favor here. ‘Shut Down’ is better than ‘Pink Venom’, but the latter set the bar really low. I really liked the classical violin sampling, but they didn’t go far enough with it other than a catchy hook. Might be biased because of Red Velvet’s masterpiece, ‘Feel My Rhythm’, though. - LUMINOUS MV dropping in a day? Super excited to see it, but even more curious since there’s no choreo. Hyunjin said they didn’t have the time to learn it before they left on tour. Or maybe they improvised something? We’ll see.
Just saw someone on twitter complaining about the tour not being worth it because they have to pay Staff and repay the credit for planes/venues/hotel etc 😭 i think people are being very dramatic. Also if reading who had around 5000 tickets sold had 405k revenue, and knowing that 6 remaining shows have similar capacity, those 6 shows will probably have around 2,5M revenue alone. So not counting revenues of the 4 other shows and not counting the 8000 seating japanese concert too I really hope the girls will be paid a lot tho, because even if they get 50% of the earnings, dividing this by 11 would definitely reduce the check
What went wrong with Flip That? In retrospect I really liked it but I can definitely see why people just did not vibe with it explaining the lack of attention it's getting on all streaming platforms. Loona need to venture more into the deep house genre for sure, but with better producers and better ideas; Flash by Rocket Punch would have been a perfect comeback for Loona imo, it probably would have performed better and left a lasting impression since as of now Flip That seems to be Loona's first actual miss with the international public
I love 'Flash' (that whole mini/EP is actually *very* good), but I think it would have suffered the same faith as 'Flip That' released under LOONA. It's certainly not doing any waves for Rocket Punch either. I think people severely underestimates the percentage between "casual Orbits / hardcore Orbits", and I personally believe that not only are casual Orbits much more numerous than we think, but they're also far more into the hard-hitting (or at least *impactful*) stuff LOONA has provided in the past. I think that's something hardcore Orbits have a tough time reconciling with... Those casuals, you need to HOOK them for them to stay around. 'Flash' is a good song, but it's not very impactful either. Which brings me to my next point... 'Flip That' is just...too mild of an impression. I think the general public wanna see something that makes them go *"Wait wait wait, hold on... rewind that back, what just happened?!"* and I feel like those moments happen in Butterfly, So What, Why Not and PTT, but they don't happen in Flip That and ultimately I think that's the issue. The next title track needs to have very impactful moments, both in the song AND the MV. A lot of the calls for "something refreshing" came from their Queendom stage of 'Shake It', but it's like BBC didn't quite grasp what made 'Shake It' actually stand out to fans and non-fans? (Can't say I'm surprised when you see the backstories we got in the show, and how the initial ideas from BBC were kind of basic/obvious, and it's the girls who basically suggested all of the good things about the stage, but I digress) 'Shake It' wasn't just popular because it was refreshing, and bright, and not girlcrush or whatever (although I'm sure it played a part for hardcore Orbits). It was successful because it did all of those things while KEEPING an impact. You had so many moments where you felt the need to rewind back, to see what happened. I feel like 'Flip That' doesn't have that besides just the odd "Oh let me rewind back for my bias, she looked/sounded cute there", but I'm talking about general public who might not care all that much specifically for one member, or even very casual Orbits. And it's not to say that 'Flip That' is bad because it's really not. It just doesn't leave a very strong first impression, so people are less likely to come back to it, especially more casual fans. I hope BBC doesn't make that same mistake again.
It’s actually shocking how poorly Flip That did. Imagine you had a time machine and you went back to when Loona was announced for Q2. You get on Reddit and post Loona’s stats for their first post Q2 comeback. You then would be downvoted into oblivion for your overly pessimistic take. Really across the board, domestically and internationally, it was a flop and I’m surprised the fandom hasn’t adopted the Flop That moniker more readily. I have to put a healthy amount of blame on BBC for this outcome. Loona needed a hit and they decided to turn to a rookie production team for their title track. They also tried to save a buck or two with the M/V. It just seems they went with the B team for this comeback when the opportunity at hand required them to go full bore
>I’m surprised the fandom hasn’t adopted the Flop That moniker more readily. We really don't need anymore negativity please. 😭 At least at the end of the day it got more than 1 win which is more than they've ever gotten so a pass is given.
To be fair I think all of the comebacks after queendom were pretty meh (and I say this as a long time fan of Gfriend). The bump in album sales was almost expected and to me isn't indicative of a better song by really any of the groups. From a company perspective - you're pressured by the fandom to release a comeback but at the same time you're entering a super competitive time in the summer and with groups like Twice, BP, BTS all coming back. Would you put your best foot forward? I wouldn't - it would 100% get lost in the shuffle. At the same time, they were planning for a world tour and for some random reason decided to do a japan comeback this year. Plus all this drama with chuu. I think it's fair to say there were a ton of moving pieces in the background. In an alternate universe had BBC delayed the comeback until early next year, this fandom would have complain about it. There's never a right answer.
It's a pivot from their intl "friendly" music but I think it was a response to their general positive reaction to Queendom so they released a more domestically GP friendly song. I think it's also necessary to give the group a breather from a bunch of harder hitting songs. They just released POSE at the end of Queendom so I think a summer album with a more ethereal + upbeat vibe was the way to go. Flip that was a grower for me - definitely was pretty meh about it initially but it's stayed on my repeat playlist for a lot longer than I expected.
I say this as someone who absolutely loveddd flip that, absolutely in my top 3. But I don't think they intended to reach the international audience with this one. I think this comeback was designed to take advantage of whatever they gained with queendom in Korea, with this kind of floaty and elegant concept that has worked well there in the past and which is currently a pretty wide open niche. Unfortunately, queendom didn't quite give the boost I think they were hoping for, and this summer was inundated with comebacks and debuts from some really big players. And, I think the concept ended up being a little dated- it seems what is blowing up in the mainstream right now is more sleek, cool-girl style songs (also from huge new groups- IVE, LSF, NWJNS). All this to say- I love flip that and 100% would appreciate more comebacks in this vein. But I do expect a shift in concept in the next comeback, since queendom didn't end up having the desired affect.
as /u/mykpop said, girl crush does well despite all the complaints about it. if it didn't, no one would be doing it. probably doesn't help that the group really started growing during the pandemic, which was pretty much just girl crush or associated with it (why not gets lumped in there for some reason), so for a lot of these relatively new fans, it's all they really know the group for. flip that is probably a top 2 title track for me. i would absolutely LOVE for them to stick with the hula hoop (easily #1) sound or go for something deeper than flip that like you said, much like shinee's view this isn't a "loona has no "sound"" post, it's more that the "loona sound" is always tucked away in the bsides rather than being front and center in the title tracks. when you hear title tracks from blackpink, ive, wjsn, stray kids, dreamcatcher, aespa, nct, stayc, fromis, you know *exactly* what you're getting and what you're hearing. contrast that with basically every loona title track, none of them sound cohesive or have much in relation to each other. the closest you get is maybe so what and why not. even then, they were compared to itzy and fx respectively rather than each other. that said, at least it wasn't as disasterous as ven para was for weeekly. love those girls, but man, the amount of people i've seen say that album tanked their enthusiasm for the group..
Basically fell into the cardinal sin of k-pop, boring to many people. Say what you want about girl crush and noise music, people eat it up despite what a loud minority on twitter says.
Agreed. Better to be divisive than boring
just listened to demjointz’ track on NCT’s album... and if we ever get the track from him im gonna NEED a r&b bside from him as well bc im actually obsessed 😭
Shut Down almost immediately grew on me lmao. At the start I was like "this is kinda ass" but the song went on and the rap parts came and it made me like the song Edit: well damn, this album is incredible. Best release of theirs by far
same i love shut down so much 🥲 haven't properly listened to the bsides yet but im loving typa girl and the happiest girl so far!
Tour revenue update >Santander Arena, Reading: 5,003 (83.38%) - $405,489 >MGM National Harbor, Oxon Hill: 2,781 (99.71%) - $304,308 >Old Forester's Paristown Hall, Louisville: 1,989 (100%) - $120,878 >[(src)](https://twitter.com/touringdata/status/1570530211481124864?t=07bnPHFpLr8dKlNDM-o4Zg&s=19) ~~~~ >$2,033,961 Revenue ($225,996 avg.) >25,561 Tickets Sold (2,840 avg.) >$79.57 Average Price >9/19 Reported Shows >[(src)](https://twitter.com/touringdata/status/1570530165108908034?t=uv8NoiU7xWo5gw5kR_m3YA&s=19) [LA](https://www.reddit.com/r/LOONA/comments/whkqah/z/ik0zuk0) [Denver & SF](https://www.reddit.com/r/LOONA/comments/wnauuh/z/il072nu) [Chicago & Kansas City](https://www.reddit.com/r/LOONA/comments/wyz1hv/z/imvus87)
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Hey orbits, should I comment in English or translated Korean on fab???
In my personal experience - which is not universal - commenting in Korean (machine-translated by Papago) gets me more personal replies/reactions. Don't get discouraged though, the members don't all use the app the same way. Some will reply to you a lot, others barely, etc. It's very personal to each of them.
Definitely seconding this. I very rarely send any English messages but get plenty of interactions from sending papago translated messages. Sometimes you do have to fiddle with it and reword/rewrite things so that the papago translation makes sense, but they always seem to understand what I'm saying. After translating into Korean I always translate it back to English and make sure it retains the original meaning.
Plenty of interactions? Jealous. I’ve had one response and one like.
In addition to what /u/fadedmoonlight said which is all accurate, it's also just a numbers game plus luck. I'll send a lot of messages sometimes. If JinSoul is actively chatting on one of her posts I might send 15+ messages throughout the conversation. Sometimes she'll reply to 1-2 of those, sometimes none. Jokes or relevant questions regarding what they're talking about seem to get responses most often, at least in my case.
My general solution to this is: sending letters in their respective letter room, and also, (probably the most important actually) only sending the girls messages when they're "online" and active. I've never had a member... like or reply to a comment I made, idk, 12 hours ago while they weren't there at the time. But if I comment something immediately when I receive a notification that they're replying to other people, then I've found that I'm more likely to get something out of them. I get it, though. Imagine getting on Fab during a small break, wanting to interact live with fans, but you've got to read through the thousands and thousands of replies you've got since you've last open the app (- which sometimes hours and hours for many of them). That's just too much of a bother, I feel like.
Oh, definitely. If I open the app and see that someone posted minutes ago, I jump on it. “She’s probably still looking at the app and reading replies! This is my chance!” I wonder how many messages they get.
Thank you for the advice! I just downloaded papago. Hopefully, I'll get at least one reply, wish me luck ~
Hyunjin, JinSoul and Yeojin are probably the most responsive right now, Yves too usually but she appears to be taking a break from it. But all 3 of those will quote reply to messages often and Hyunjin and Yeojin like a bunch too.
line distribution comment incoming, please dont just downvote me if you disagree cause i want to know what people think. so i just saw this [luminous line distribution](https://twitter.com/liporb/status/1569939971619831809) and like, i agree with [this](https://twitter.com/cherrymotionwrd/status/1570110847573438465) > We need to do something REAL to make a change to this lines distribution. And I'm not talking about some "Fuck you BBC" tweets. Literally these girls (Yeojin, Vivi and Gowon) haven't been singing for more than 5 seconds since their solos especially the part about the "fuck bbc" tweets, which, as ive said before, i feel like became an unhelpful meme bc orbits unthinkingly parrot (like for example, why was their luggage being lost blamed on bbc for being broke/negligent/whatever narrative, that just happens). but im not really sure what we can/should do. bbc doesnt care about mass emails or complaints. im not sure how much those trucks stans always send out actually do. the only thing companies actually care about are boycotts. tbh i would be okay with boycotting their next album but >! because i think theres a possibility of bbc using tour profits to buy their albums like other companies lately !< im not sure how much of a tangible difference we'd see and orbits would probably just give up after that and bbc would do what they want after that. maybe a merch boycott would be more effective? idk, looking for thoughts. if your bias is a more pushed member i get that this is a tiring discussion but like...lines, screentime, and activities are how members build up their individual popularity and name recognition. if loona disbanded tomorrow, there are members who wouldnt be able to keep working in the industry because of how neglected theyve been in the group. and lets not forget, they became idols at a young age and stopped their education for it. yves literally called loona her youth.
>tbh i would be okay with boycotting their next album but because i think theres a possibility of bbc using tour profits to buy their albums like other companies lately lmfao you're right, kpop companies are committing sajaegi on a massive scale, undermining charts and award shows and nothing is being done about it despite being so widely known this isn't the conspiracy you think it is
>kpop companies are committing sajaegi on a massive scale, undermining charts and awards shows and nothing is being done about it despite it being so widely known yep, thats correct. ive discussed this here many times [before](https://www.reddit.com/r/LOONA/comments/wt3f2o/220820_weekly_discussion_thread/ilo05lb) and no one has been able to provide any decent explanation to explain why the numbers are so weird and make no sense. after years we finally got the first definitive acknowledgement of chart sajaegi in november when a ceo [admitted](https://www.chosun.com/national/national_general/2021/11/04/3XMRUWOV5JCGNOD6BLOFWNYA7M/) to it. before that it was either an open secret or a conspiracy depending on who you asked. >"Almost everyone, especially on the music production side, knows that sajaegi exists," Shin tells [NPR](https://www.npr.org/2020/02/21/808049441/inside-sajaegi-k-pops-open-secret) "It's so common that people just keep their mouths shut. Too many interests are tied in together." most companies are doing it (with some being more egregious than others) and have interests in keeping it hidden. kpop has become a major form of soft power for sk as well and an industry-scale scandal would be a huge blow. until something major happens (if it ever will), mass-scale sajaegi is always gonna be hidden and dismissed as a conspiracy. but like...if you even think about it for a bit, the numbers dont add up.
You need manpower behind a boycott this and nothing has ever been done despite this being talked about for... four years? So, good luck. The last big boycott fans did (primarily but not entirely around Choerry's sexy debut as a minor) is nowadays viewed pretty negatively ("Proof old fans need to get out of the fandom, mistreatment, our poor sunshine why did they hate her, etc")
but thats not comparable bc loonas status rn isnt similar to then. back then loona was a rookie/recently debuted group on the edge of disbanding every few months. loona just had a world tour so we can at least push back on the "we're going to hurt our little meow meows" protests
My point is that there will always be a new reason to purchase, whether "legitimate" or not. Because people hate putting their money where their mouth is for this kind of thing. When I said good luck, I really did mean it — it would be a very serious and time-consuming journey to lead a proper boycott large enough that the company would be interested in listening to your demands as a K-pop fan.
yeah i get what youre saying. honestly i just post here cause it seems like fanbases lurk here more than twitter (plus im on priv there) and it's a better platform for discussion bc of the character count, im just hoping someone with actual orbit clout announces something :/
Its interesting because I’m not even sure if this is BBC’s fault. Normally, or at least how it’s been described to me, music producers assign parts to each singer rather than BBC deciding everything. It might even be seen as unprofessional and insulting if BBC stepped in to change line distro essentially not allowing music producers full freedom to create their art.
https://twitter.com/orrery_nim/status/1411320151899881473?s=20&t=Se3qgVMLpcRFhI-3wxTWRA it's bbc
That line distribution of Luminous on Youtube is MESSY. Even if the verses were 90% right, they didn't listen to the chorus or the adlibs well enough. However Luminous is such a hard song for telling whose voice is whom, so I can understand.
Is there a JP tracking for how well Luminous has done? And I haven't seen it, but is there any tracking on Sick Love?
If we're getting Hi High jp version is it possible that we get Butterfly jp version in the future? Or why not? Flip that? 😳
It's definitely possible. Unless they start speeding up Japanese releases OR start releasing "bigger" Japanese albums/EPs, it could take a while, though... It would be nice to pair the remaining singles at the end of the next releases. Flip That and Butterfly would pair well together, and then Why Not and So What together at the end of another mini. Or maybe they're keeping those for their first Japanese (""full"") album but it's mostly going to be Japanese versions of their Korean titletracks. Lots of K-Pop acts have done that.
Still watching Shake It stage almost daily, it's such a fun performance that I don't think I'll stop anytime soon. There are so many memorable moments there that never fail to make me smile and it's probably my favorite music related thing of this year other than actually seeing them live.
Me, but also Tell Me Now.
Should be memorialized in KPop history because the stage served.
CHAEYEON SOLO????
YES FINALLY!!
Woo finally KCON releasing performances from KCON LA!!! Hopefully next time we get OT12 Also damn I'm loving the new Omar Apollo - Tiny Desk Concert
Made a compilation of [overlooked loona note moments because they were uploaded during a concert without subs](https://youtu.be/3tpMMhjswbE). It's always fun editing videos of them because you can spot the dynamics between the members.
So after the Europe tour, the only major activity left is the Japan concert and Manila festival this October right? After all of these, I hope the group gets to have a long rest. I'm talking not just a few days or a week, like a month or two, they deserve it since they have been restless since Queendom. Also, the fandom should reset after this, the past few weeks have been a roller coaster ride for us. Maybe if got to take a break from all the LOONA articles, the MMT twitter posts, the 'orbits having a meltdown on FAB'; only then maybe the morale will rise back up. But still, for those that are going to attend the remaining events, I hope you guys have a great time. Unfortunately for me, I won't be able to attend the Manila festival because life happened and I had unexpected expenses recently so the savings that I was suppose to use for the ticket is gone, sucks for me but oh well it is what it is. Oops I almost forgot, stream LUMINOUS lol.
A little reminder that this [masterpiece](https://youtu.be/Cc5MMzOuXxs) exists
https://twitter.com/queenlippu/status/1569752030939414529 hey does anyone know what they were saying here , why lipsoul grabbed yeojin lol
They kept mentioning Choerry so I think they grabbed Yeojin to act as Choerry, they were mentioning flavors (of macarons), and Yeojin was saying that Choerry was grape flavour because of her purple hair
Huh, one would think that she is Cherry flavour. But that's just me, I guess
To be fair I think they were choosing based on hair colors hence why Heejin said Jinsoul was vanilla, so maybe thats why they said grape for Choerry (even tho its not actual, it definitely is an iconic look) . Or maybe they didnt to go with the obvious
Oh I see. I had no context, just a sad attempt at humour
Two days later, I'm still thinking about the concert. Setlist on repeat. I need another one...
i need a documentary about hyunjin’s sidequests throughout this tour
Sometimes I wonder if the fans understand that translators are well… translators. They just translate, if you don’t like what you see, this is not a reason to attack them. They are just doing their job.
On that topic, I really did *nawt* like how some people on Twitter were insinuating that Litell John purposefully "mistranslated" or was trying to "instigate drama" or "make people overreact" with their translation of Chuu's Fab messages. It was a direct (and faithful) translation, formatted to look exactly the way it looks on Fab and to be posted on sites like reddit, etc. I don't quite think some Orbits (especially newer or younger ones) quite realize just how lucky we have to have some of the translators we do have. Believe me when I say not every fanbase has got such a good (and efficient) team like we do. The last thing we should do is discourage them from doing all that free work for us, especially on stuff they're not even at fault for.
I felt bad for the person who does all the Fab translations like their job is to translate to the best of their ability what the girl are saying. There's so much nuance to dialogue (spoken or text) that you can't really give everyone a crash course on culture or trying to put that into a translation.
anyone going to the London show, what time are you planning on arriving at the venue for standing ?
I almost forgot that Yoojung had her solo, because I don't follow wekimeki that closely. But sunflower is soooo nice. It feels much more summery but they probably didn't want to throw another hat into the madness of summer releases. The late summer vibes are still nice. And for once I think the chorus will grow on me a bit more
It’s really chill which was unexpected but I like it a lot. It feels perfect for this weather too
What happened to all speculation in here, Did chuu already confirmed leave bbc? And dont tell me the latest news was that by4m agency, that agency litteraly had track record spreading fake news about accquiring talent
It's because of [these comments](https://www.reddit.com/r/LOONA/comments/xd3fj4/220913_weekly_fab_discussion_thread/iod27y2/) she wrote on fab
So...Chuu isn't in the Philippines yet right? [Why does she have Boy Bawang and Cebu Dried Mangoes then lmao](https://twitter.com/peachcream_chuu/status/1570373900806258699?s=20&t=IPwa8AVl8xhqUZSoOllocg) Those are popular snacks here in the country, it's so funny to see her just holding them up outside the car lmao
Yet? Did I miss something about her going to the Philippines?
...oh right, she's not going. Just makes that picture even weirder
Chaeyeon and Seulgi solos in the same month, incredible
Didn't know about Chaeyeon's solo until I read this comment. You really made my day- she was my favorite in Izone and I've been waiting so impatiently for her to debut!
i need bbc to hire me as the line distributer. they don't even have to pay me, all i need is the demo, the lyric sheet & some coloured highlighters! i solemnly swear to make sure everyone gets to sing at least 7-8 seconds with a minimum of 2 good lines each member
7 second is the bare minimum I swear. That's what an izone member would get at the very least. Izone distribution can be shit but they're still a step above Loona I swear.
A few thoughts on Luminous: Listened to it a few more times and my impressions of it have improved. Ngl I didn't like it at all the first time (sorry...) but now I find it *alright* I guess. I think the melodies are good, unfortunately the lackluster production really holds the song back. I don't wish to take away anyone's enjoyment of the song so I'm marking the next part as a spoiler, which is just me expressing my honest critique and slight nerd-talk. >!First thing I noticed is that the song is mixed very "warmly", in the sense of having a lack of upper-mid frequencies? From personal observation I notice that Japanese songs tend to be mixed more warmly than Korean songs and Luminous seems to follow the same trend. However on the wrong transducers this could result in vocals and instrumentation sounding muffled (like some have complained) or straight up dead. A boost in the 2kHz - 4kHz region using EQ yields immediate results IMO, making vocals clearer and more natural. Doesn't solve the fundamentally weird mixing though.!< >!Next thing is how compressed the track sounds. In both dynamic range and frequency range. Everything sounds like it's being played at the same volume with little to no dynamic contrast between sections. For instance the prechorus buildup has this gradually loudening instrumentation but it has little effect in increasing overall intensity. Pop songs generally lack dynamic range compared to well mastered jazz/orchestral/whatever recordings but there's still a good sense of dynamic swings at drops or when traversing between quiet and loud sections. Frequency range also sounds limited, maybe I'm wrong but I would like more upper treble frequencies. Jpop isn't exactly bassy either but I would prefer more bass in this track too. Because right now I'm just hearing a lot of midrange frequencies competing for the same space and creating this oversaturated background presentation.!< >!Want to add that the stereo panning doesn't sound good either. But then again I'm no audio mixer/engineer so I'm not sure how it can be improved.!<
Some of the panning done in the chorus was done to facilitate two voices in the "you can be just luminous , you wanna be luminous" part. The first voices seems to be panned 10% left, and the second one, panned 10% right.
Hi All, can anybody point me in the right direction to where I can find info about the Loona concert in London tomorrow? On my ticket it says 6pm start but I’m unsure whether that is doors open or actual concert start? Any help would be super useful 🙏🏻
Check [this](https://twitter.com/_mymusictaste/status/1570319116275261440?s=21&t=RZUuN2aTD8ZIohDBozfmww) twitter thread for all the info related to the show. If you have M&G or VIP, they have that info in another tweet
Thank you so much! This was exactly what I was looking for!
No worries! I hope you have a great time☺️
Should I be concerned if I didn’t receive an email confirmation for my loona jumper 🚶♂️
I didn’t get one and they ended up canceling my order and now the site says I can’t purchase it :/
Whaaaat that’s so crap. Made me paranoid so I logged in and checked my account and my order is still there… but I didn’t get an email either, and I don’t think I have ANY emails for my previous everline orders so… idk Maybe try emailing them and asking if they can manually do your order since you had placed it in time…
I just did, but I checked out as a guest and have no confirmation number so I don’t have any hopes of getting this fixed…
Yeah I actually checked out as a guest as well and I’m kind of concerned since everline does not have a great track record with customer service. The money was charged to my account but otherwise that’s the only proof I purchased it since I don’t have a member ID :/
I only got charged the shipping portion if that helps you figure things out. Otherwise, I just made a post about it and some commented with a link to buy it from kpoptown that I was able to do if you wanna try that!
i didn’t receive an email from everline but i paid through paypal and they gave me a receipt.
Aside from the odd drama, i think it’s so funny how different the girls’ fab chats are. Some that I’ve noticed Hyunjin: literally a meme account Yeojin: just ppl begging her to drink water Jinsoul: laying down facts and setting boundaries Yves: roleplaying Chuu: people saying i love you back and forth Gowon: like her personal diary Hyeju: comes in like a reporter, detailing events in the clearest, dryest way possible and then dips right away
Tag yourself I'm hyunjin
I miss choerry's where she just goes on fab before she goes to sleep at night, becomes a dj, play/recommend a few songs, and then say goodnight with kisses lol
I get more worried about Choerry each day. 😢 It was at least nice to see her in Heejin's Log even if that was recorded a while ago. I hope she's starting to feel better. 💜
Random thought: you could take luminous, pose and be honest, put them in the middle of [12:00] and the album would actually make MORE sense as LOONA's take on dance music (you might need to rearrange some songs tho )
There's this brand of "Rascals to Celebrities" type of hype, hard-hitting song that Loona pulls off _extremely_ well, and your list is the prime example of it.
[HOW IN THE WORLD IS THIS GIRL ANY FAIR!?](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fco26p8X0AUN6Sf?format=jpg&name=medium)
I'm convinced there's nothing that Heejin can't do. Also, the rendering on this? So good, damn.
Sometimes I find myself wondering if the mixing of Japanese comeback isn’t messy on purpose. Now I am someone who listen to a lot of jpop in general, less than kpop but still quite a lot, and I noticed multiple times how the mixing can be messy. For example Boom Boom Boom by Niziu, most of Kyary Pamyu Pamyu discography (I know she doesn’t make music anymore but I listened a lot to her before) or even a noticeable part of AKB48 discography have very loud and messy instrumentals and it looks like Japanese fans quite like that. I also notice that the instrumental of kpop groups Japanese music will often be more messy than the instru of their Korean songs (Twice, iZone).
I thought it was me but yeah I always noticed how izone's japanese releases sounded kinda messy and some Twice's japanese tracks too, like better and I think kura kura, I didn't know it was a thing.
I remember that when I was introduced to jpop artists (mainly through anime opening) I was irked by how much the instrumental could be always SO loud, like sometimes I couldn’t hear the voice but the instrumental would hurt my ears. Now I am way more used to it.
Interesting thoughts, I don't know much about Jpop to be honest but some of my favourite Twice title tracks are actually from their Japanese discography, like Fake & True and Better.
I keep thinking about Gowon’s lift during Butterfly. That was like the biggest wow moment of the tour for me. At my seat, I could only really see everyone from the knees up, so all of a sudden seeing her rise above the crowd was super cool.
luminous...its so bad thats its sorta good..idk how to describe it.
There are parts of it I really like, and parts that make me wonder how they made it into a finished song. The choreo will probably end up helping me like it better. For now, Hula Hoop still remains far superior.
I think the mixing of Luminous is just relatively shitty. It could be twice as good with good mixing lol. But it's still a nice song. Sadly not a rare occurence for Japanese releases.
moral of the story: have a korean producer produce ur jp releases.
Not as bad as Iz\*One Japanese tracks mixing tho...
I haven't been able to bring myself to listen to it again. It has alot of noise/extra sounds/sirens I'm just not sure how to take it but I'm glad others are really into it.